****Is there a way to unroot? **** - Samsung Epic 4G Touch

I want to bring my SG2 back in to exchange because I noticed there is " one " dead/stuck pixel, that is colored RED. I just don't like my brand new device starting off being un-perfect. It's two days old.
Is there a way to unroot the phone?

no there is not....thats why i dont root till there is an unroot method

lol, nope. i looked and looked everywhere. could not find it anywhere on the net. my device was stuck in bootloop. after waiting for a while for stock rom to come out, and not seeing any advancement. i decided to purposely brick the device and go exchange it, worked like a charm.
u can wait 2 c if a stock rom comes out within ur 14 day period.
510jungleboy said:
I want to bring my SG2 back in to exchange because I noticed there is " one " dead/stuck pixel, that is colored RED. I just don't like my brand new device starting off being un-perfect. It's two days old.
Is there a way to unroot the phone?
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This is why i'm never in a hurry to jump on the root bandwagon until there is a method to go back to stock firmware. Sorry mate.

vikramjatt11 said:
lol, nope. i looked and looked everywhere. could not find it anywhere on the net. my device was stuck in bootloop. after waiting for a while for stock rom to come out, and not seeing any advancement. i decided to purposely brick the device and go exchange it, worked like a charm.
u can wait 2 c if a stock rom comes out within ur 14 day period.
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Although I was thinking the same thing, that's a big gamble to take. Since some people is reporting that Sprint doesn't care if the phone is rooted or not, I'm gonna just go to the sprint store to see if i can just exchange mine even though it's rooted.

plmiller0905 said:
Although I was thinking the same thing, that's a big gamble to take. Since some people is reporting that Sprint doesn't care if the phone is rooted or not, I'm gonna just go to the sprint store to see if i can just exchange mine even though it's rooted.
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They might care now. Problem is Sprint lacks the tools to remove root on this device. So they might have to deny you.
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Just don't tell them its rooted.... I guarantee most of the employees won't know the difference....the ones that do probably wouldn't care
plmiller0905 said:
Although I was thinking the same thing, that's a big gamble to take. Since some people is reporting that Sprint doesn't care if the phone is rooted or not, I'm gonna just go to the sprint store to see if i can just exchange mine even though it's rooted.
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Yes there is a way to unroot I believe. Re run the root script and it will un root. We did the same thing for og epic or use odin with stock tar and no more root
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Just brick your device like the Dev did
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tomyboombotz said:
Just brick your device like the Dev did
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Lol ..... I dont want to start a trend for myself. I have never bricked a device , but I know the saying " never say never ".

Is there a stock tar?
jbadboy2007 said:
Yes there is a way to unroot I believe. Re run the root script and it will un root. We did the same thing for og epic or use odin with stock tar and no more root
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Silent25r said:
They might care now. Problem is Sprint lacks the tools to remove root on this device. So they might have to deny you.
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yup...they did...lol. They told me I had to return it to stock. Then went on to tell me that they're sure the issues I'm having in regards to losing data etc...is because sprint is updating their towers where I live...I thought this was bs.
But anyway, I left the store, turned on 4g to see if that service was available in my area yet...and boom...it connected.
So maybe he was telling the truth, because just a month ago there was no 4g at all here where I live.
But nevertheless, the stock tar/kernel should be posted today or within the next few days. Apparently bubby..is just about to release it

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warranty replacement Inc2 coming...

I have been having major signal issues with my inc2 (leaked RUU installed) so I called and have a warranty replacement on the way
I am curious if anyone has gotten a warranty replacement in the last week, and WHICH software was installed on it? I am banking on 2.2 still being ont here so i can S-off the phone....please let me know if you know....
thanks!
It will b 2.3.3....I'm coming from a fascinate and my dinc2 will b here Friday....expecting 2.3.3
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you think they have actually taken the time to take EVERY single refurb and update them instead of just NOT doing it and having the phone force the update upon activation?
mikejaret said:
you think they have actually taken the time to take EVERY single refurb and update them instead of just NOT doing it and having the phone force the update upon activation?
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That's the point of a refurb though, to be brand new so to speak. so it will 9/10 be updated software.
I got my fascinate to inc2 switch with a refurbished on wed last week and it came with 2.2. Just a fyi.
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It is a mixed bag with refurbished versions. I currently have a little screen separation going on but I am dealing with it because I don't want to lose root or get stuck in Verizon refurbish hell.
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Replacement phones are 80% of the time broke and fixed get insurance 100% new
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REDSCARFACE1 said:
Replacement phones are 80% of the time broke and fixed get insurance 100% new
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You are right about the broke part, not so much with the fix.
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I have to say my refurbs have been fine. for both inc1 and inc2
If I get a new one from insurance would that still be 2.2 or will it be updated?
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If I get a new one from insurance would that still be 2.2 or will it be updated?
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no one can say for sure.
Mines left yesterday, should be getting it Thursday or Friday, so i hope it still have 2.2. I too think it's a roll of the dice, because they would literally have to replace ALL the phones, it would be better to just let the user update it, but we will see.
This was an issue back when I had the Eris, and I needed a refurb, and the same thing, I tried asking before they sent it out and they said that it's most likely going to be sent with the updated software, if it a refurb..
I have to ask. I see so many people on here saying they got the DInc 2 from a Fascinate (Same thing I'm doing now) so I'm sure you are all familiar with the Fascinate. How come there isnt anything like the stock ODIN files that can be used on a Fascinate?
Because Samsung and HTC have totally different ways of debugging/developing and use different tools. The Eris is the same way, with S-OFF and all that jazz with the bootloader. IMO the Odin App made recovering from meltdowns and updating things like the radio VERY easy which was nice. But for some reason this simplicity also led to MORE bricks as all it took for a while to brick your phone was to hit the dreaded phone button instead of the "PDA" button in Odin...
Fasinationinmotion said:
I have to ask. I see so many people on here saying they got the DInc 2 from a Fascinate (Same thing I'm doing now) so I'm sure you are all familiar with the Fascinate. How come there isnt anything like the stock ODIN files that can be used on a Fascinate?
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I already miss Odin. It was so ridiculously easy to do anything with it. You didn't even need to root to flash a custom rom. Just Odin CWM, boot directly into it, and flash the rom. And very easy to go back to stock and not leave a trace of root. Unlike the current inability to go back to S-On...
beenz said:
I already miss Odin. It was so ridiculously easy to do anything with it. You didn't even need to root to flash a custom rom. Just Odin CWM, boot directly into it, and flash the rom. And very easy to go back to stock and not leave a trace of root. Unlike the current inability to go back to S-On...
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100% agree. Someone needs to dev a way to do that for this phone.

Messed up display after dropped phone. Green tint! Help!

So I dropped my epic at work today and everything works, but now my display is tinted green. I'm on legendary. I know it's probably hardware issue and needs to be returned. Haven't reflashed or anything yet. Any advice?
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Odin phone back to ec05 stock , pull ur sd card out and take phone to sprint to check out. Do not show them ur sd card (because it will have clockworkmod). Don't even tell them ur phone was rooted. Just show them the problem and that's it. As long as u have total equipment protection, u should be fine.
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Sounds like you knocked the ribbon cable to the LCD loose if you have TEP let Sprint fix that for you.
Clockworkmod isn't on the SD card... it has its own partition on the onenand. I'm sure they wont care if you are rooted but just in case follow the restore the epic from the brink guide in the development section.
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marcusant said:
Clockworkmod isn't on the SD card... it has its own partition on the onenand. I'm sure they wont care if you are rooted but just in case follow the restore the epic from the brink guide in the development section.
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U just taught me something new.
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Pocketbob26 said:
So I dropped my epic at work today and everything works, but now my display is tinted green. I'm on legendary. I know it's probably hardware issue and needs to be returned. Haven't reflashed or anything yet. Any advice?
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Try a kernel that has voodoo color mods. You can control the RBG values.
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This color tint happened to me. Take it sprint and they'll fix it for free(if you have insurance). You don't have to Odin Sprint don't care about phones being Rooted.
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masaidjet said:
This color tint happened to me. Take it sprint and they'll fix it for free(if you have insurance). You don't have to Odin Sprint don't care about phones being Rooted.
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Keep in mind, not every store operates the same way. That's why its better to be cautious. The store by my house frowns on "rooted phones".
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LORDFIRE00 said:
Keep in mind, not every store operates the same way. That's why its better to be cautious. The store by my house frowns on "rooted phones".
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The store near me acts like they've been covered in acid. The tech won't go near them. I asked him why and he said that his training never covered the differences between rooted and non-rooted phones so he doesn't want to brick them and end up owing the store the money for a new phone to give to the customer. These are the same people who think it's alright and normal for my mother's phone to drop every other call. YMMV with Sprint stores, there are really good ones and really bad ones. Remember that if they treat you poorly there is no requirement for you ever to give them your business again.
Hey guys, I just want to thank everyone for all the advice! I Odin'd back to stock ec05 went to stock EI22 and brought it back to the sprint store. I was convinced it was a loose ribbon and that I dropped it, obviously, and told the rep. He responded we won't tell [the tech] them that. They said they needed it for 1 hour and a half.
I was hoping they would fix the phone and tell me what the problem was. They just replaced it with a new one (maybe refurbished :\ ). So I didn't get to find out the problem.
Judging by the way they handled it they probably weren't concerned if it was rooted
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Pocketbob26 said:
Hey guys, I just want to thank everyone for all the advice! I Odin'd back to stock ec05 went to stock EI22 and brought it back to the sprint store. I was convinced it was a loose ribbon and that I dropped it, obviously, and told the rep. He responded we won't tell [the tech] them that. They said they needed it for 1 hour and a half.
I was hoping they would fix the phone and tell me what the problem was. They just replaced it with a new one (maybe refurbished :\ ). So I didn't get to find out the problem.
Judging by the way they handled it they probably weren't concerned if it was rooted
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Exactly, it's a hardware screen issue rooting won't cause that. And that's why they wouldn't care.
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I just had to get a new screen. I took my phone in as is. Overclocked, rooted, cwm and all and no one said a thing.
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Pocketbob26 said:
So I dropped my epic at work today and everything works, but now my display is tinted green. I'm on legendary. I know it's probably hardware issue and needs to be returned. Haven't reflashed or anything yet. Any advice?
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LOL.. Hey did your phone screen look like a old school GameBoy Color??
I took my phone to Sprint to get it fixed for another issue.. and they gave it back to me like that.. I asked them about it and they said thats how I gave it to them.. they straight lied to my face..
I didnt give it back for them to fix it becauce I didnt want them to keep it for ANOTHER 3 IN A HALF HOURS..

Tmobile manufacture warranty?

I just got my galaxy s2 a month ago and was wondering, if I get a hardware defect or brick, will Tmobile replace It as long as its the first year on contract? That is what happened about 4 years ago with my other phone but I would like to know if Tmobile will still do this.
Thanks
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Rooting voids your warranty. If they can *see* its been rooted, you will be charged a restocking fee of $400+
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It's best you go through Samsung, from eat I've heard, as they not really check if you're phones been rooted
htwnzballa09 said:
I just got my galaxy s2 a month ago and was wondering, if I get a hardware defect or brick, will Tmobile replace It as long as its the first year on contract? That is what happened about 4 years ago with my other phone but I would like to know if Tmobile will still do this.
Thanks
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Well...i got mine about a couple months. They told me they could replace the phone only if phone has not been software or hardware modified..as i understand...only if they see phone is like when they gave it to u @ very first time. There is a way to restore ur phone and unroot it. So make sure u dowload the .tar file and keep it in PC in case u need to flash stock rom...via Odin before send phone to replace it....or any other similar situation. Follow the link at the bottom.
If u pay insurance Samsung will replace ur phone even if its stolen or lost. In that case u have to pay $150 in order to get a new one. Sorry about my english. ...just trying to help. Good luck.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1513359
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ToledoG28 said:
Well...i got mine about a couple months. They told me they could replace the phone only if phone has not been software or hardware modified..as i understand...only if they see phone is like when they gave it to u @ very first time. There is a way to restore ur phone and unroot it. So make sure u dowload the .tar file and keep it in PC in case u need to flash stock rom...via Odin before send phone to replace it....or any other similar situation. Follow the link at the bottom.
If u pay insurance Samsung will replace ur phone even if its stolen or lost. In that case u have to pay $150 in order to get a new one. Sorry about my english. ...just trying to help. Good luck.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1513359
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I've heard of T-Mobile replacing the phone at the cost of the $130 for Tier 3 Smart Phones, but Samsung replacing them? I haven't heard of that.
Hmm...I voided my options the day I got mine, Lol.
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I bought the insurance.
Thing is,everything in writing,it seems nothing is covered.
I spoke with tmo,and the insurance,and they both said "no matter what happens (excluding rooting/roms) "
Is covered.But in writing,nothing they said seems to be covered.
From my understanding tmo will replace the phone if its less than a year.But tmo is in financial hardship so who knows what they will do.
Im still waiting on a $30 credit for stuff I never purchased.
Forgive my English...
But,Im just illiterate.
Just go back to stock.its easy.
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Samsung warranties their devices for 1 year, it has nothing to do with tmobile. Return your device to stock and get a new one if there is a problem. If it's hard bricked tmobile cant tell what you've done to it, anyways. They send it to sammy and they jtag it and it goes back into circulation as a refurb.
You can reset the counter of flashes in order to return the phone for safe stocking
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iwasblown said:
You can reset the counter of flashes in order to return the phone for safe stocking
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But note, the flash counter is only changed when you flash roms through Odin. Any roms flashed through Clockwork Recovery will not add to the counter. Just adding on to what you said.
G1ForFun said:
But note, the flash counter is only changed when you flash roms through Odin. Any roms flashed through Clockwork Recovery will not add to the counter. Just adding on to what you said.
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This is somewhat true. Some custom kernels such as cm kernel can add to the counter even if flashed through CWM.
Touche to the posts made by the community. Good work.
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G1ForFun said:
But note, the flash counter is only changed when you flash roms through Odin. Any roms flashed through Clockwork Recovery will not add to the counter. Just adding on to what you said.
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Hey g1...
I don't know much of Odin,but I returned to stock twice?
Would that show up as 2 for the flash count?
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sunlaw2 said:
Hey g1...
I don't know much of Odin,but I returned to stock twice?
Would that show up as 2 for the flash count?
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Check your counter, sometimes it trips and sometimes it doesn't. Very simple to check yourself, as no one can tell you what's on your phone
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Cracked screen, rooting, and insurance.

I recently cracked my display, was going to go in and pay my deductible, was just wondering. Should I restore my device back to stock first? Are they going to try to say I some how broke my screen by running a custom rom?
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i would go ahead and restore just in case... but if you dont want to you could go ahead and try sending it in or you could just buy a replacement screen off of ebay
I agree with eisawi, just nandroid and flash the stock tar and when you get your phone back restore the nandroid
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xblackvalorx said:
I recently cracked my display, was going to go in and pay my deductible, was just wondering. Should I restore my device back to stock first? Are they going to try to say I some how broke my screen by running a custom rom?
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I suggest following the link and using that method to get 100% stock with flash counter reset
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1904099
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miller710 said:
I suggest following the link and using that method to get 100% stock with flash counter reset
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1904099
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Agreed :good: . When sending a Device in for Service, it's always best to be 100% Stock. You never know who's going to be poking around.
all u need is to reset the flash counter to 0 and ul be ok. they could careless about root. i took my htc evo in to get my s3 and the worker was impressed with me getting s-off. told him im gonna root my s3 when i get home
unrevoked said:
all u need is to reset the flash counter to 0 and ul be ok. they could careless about root. i took my htc evo in to get my s3 and the worker was impressed with me getting s-off. told him im gonna root my s3 when i get home
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Not everyone is lucky with cool sales reps
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I asked him if it was illegal he said no. Unlocking the phone is
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unrevoked said:
I asked him if it was illegal he said no. Unlocking the phone is
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Yes, it's not illegal. But it does void your claim on the warranty, and if the rep was having a bad day, he could have easily turned you away for rooting.
What I have found is that although it is not " illegal " . It does not necessarily mean that you will not get a hard time about it. I have had very different experiences even in the same store. Both negative, and positive. So I've learned it's better to remove as many reasons for people to give you a hard time as possible.
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I asked him if it was illegal he said no. Unlocking the phone is
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It isn't. But there's always "That Guy" who feels he can deny you service because you can do fancy things to your phone
Yea i could understand that. But i would tell them il come back hen its not void. Thats just my way of handling people like that. If not u can always say u lost it in the lake or it got stolen. Just means more paperwork.
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Yea i could understand that. But i would tell them il come back hen its not void. Thats just my way of handling people like that. If not u can always say u lost it in the lake or it got stolen. Just means more paperwork.
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I guess it's easier to complicate things and waste more of your time instead of taking an extra minute and running ODIN.
Well I don't think being rooted would have any affect on a cracked screen. However I would restore and unroot to be safe. Never know if some pissed of employee wants to take is anger out on you and flag something on your account. Or put notes that could hurt future insurance issues.
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TheSocalGuy79 said:
Well I don't think being rooted would have any affect on a cracked screen. However I would restore and unroot to be safe. Never know if some pissed of employee wants to take is anger out on you and flag something on your account. Or put notes that could hurt future insurance issues.
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Regardless if you want stock the method I linked to is one zip to flash saves a lot of time tbh. I keep it on my sd card after I went through hell to get back to stock when my charge port busted and I couldn't connect to my pc.
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I was having an issue with my wife's Epic 4G and I was talking to 2d level tech support and told her I was rooted and she said that didn't matter. Also had the support person at the store (not a 3rd party store, but an authorized service center) in KC tell me the same thing. So I just don't worry about it now.
best to be on the safe side
look, its best to stay on the safe side... make a nandroid backup and unroot your phone... its your best bet... it is easily the safest way to go

Trying to unroot to trade

Well I went back to stock firmware, then triangle awayed, and unrooted via superuser su. Phone still showed phone had been modified trying to ota. I know this is because I still had a custom recovery. So in recovery I restored root than with mobile odin I flashed the stock firmware. I forgot to triangle away again. So now I'm without a computer to re root and triangle away. Am I right that there is no way to root again without a computer? I have this trade for the note 3 set up tomorrow morning and he wanted stock. .. It is stock now but with phone status custom. ..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2336392
Djintrigues guide just in case others need it. I tried doing this without a guide and missed the very last step. Grrr.
Triangle Away, unroot, then factory reset. This will bring it back to official. Sorry not sure of the answer about rooting without a computer.
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Paxdad said:
Triangle Away, unroot, then factory reset. This will bring it back to official. Sorry not sure of the answer about rooting without a computer.
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yeah think I'm going to have to tell him to bring one. Mine finally crapped out on me. Mod sorry I just realized this is in general, should be in q and a.
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tylerholbrook said:
yeah think I'm going to have to tell him to bring one. Mine finally crapped out on me. Mod sorry I just realized this is in general, should be in q and a.
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Just really don't want to blow this trade as it's straight up phone for phone with no extra cash. I'm just mad at myself for forgetting to triangle away before odining stock
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What phones are being traded? S4 for Note 3? Straight up?
Yeah. Well plus my ottrrbox and zero lemon battery. I just don't want to blow the deal by telling this guy sorry I went back to stock but it still won't ota update... I know I can do this with a pc easily its just not an option right now
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What's the catch? Even with a nice case and an extra battery, I wouldn't trade a brand new Note 3 if I owned one.
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What's the catch? Even with a nice case and an extra battery, I wouldn't trade a brand new Note 3 if I owned one.
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He says screen size. He doesn't know anything about rooting or custom anything. I'll see tomorrow. I'm definately going to make sure it isn't locked before I trade and I already called t mobile and asked what if he calls it in stolen a month after the trade and they told me it follows the sim card not the imei.
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Thats not true....I was craigslist shopping for an S2 ....met up with a guy at the mall and I put my sim in his phone and got a "not connected to network" window....so we walked to the tmobile booth and asked the rep there....he scanned it and replied...its been reported stolen and is no good.
Long story short I bought this S4 from the rep and decided im done dealing with people.
Shortbus-Driver said:
Thats not true....I was craigslist shopping for an S2 ....met up with a guy at the mall and I put my sim in his phone and got a "not connected to network" window....so we walked to the tmobile booth and asked the rep there....he scanned it and replied...its been reported stolen and is no good.
Long story short I bought this S4 from the rep and decided im done dealing with people.
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Not "Done dealing with people" !!!
Should be:
"Done dealing with CROOKS" LOL
Good way to go dude!
Aloha
bobolinko said:
Not "Done dealing with people" !!!
Should be:
"Done dealing with CROOKS" LOL
Good way to go dude!
Aloha
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True but these days....you cant tell one from the other....sadly.

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