I was playing with the SGS2 in the tmo store today and I just dont understand how they partitioned the internal memory.
This was a virgin phone, just powered up. Under manage apps, all, it showed 1.9gb free. Under SD card it showed 11 GB free. There was no SD card in the slot.
So it looks like they have partitioned the internal memory to create an 11 gb pseudo SD card.
Does this mean you can't use more than 1.9gb real internal memory without going to the pseudo SD card?
Do you have to install to SD (when allowed) to actually use up the rest of the program memory?
I'm assuming that when you actually can install to the SD card that its still going to place a large chunk of the app in the 1.9gb real internal memory like on previous phones? If this is true you would run out of the 1.9gb way before you could use up the 11gb pseudo sd card. This would prevent you from installing any more apps.
What happens to the 11gb on the pseudo SD card when you actually insert a real 32GB SD card? Does the real SD card show up as a second SD card?
There had to be a SD card on that phone. It wouldn't read 11gb with nothing in it. Try it on your phone. You take it out and your phone will notify you of no SD card since it will not read anything. Therefore you won't be able to see how much space is left on it.
Did you take the back cover off the phone at the store? I've never been able to do that since almost all stores have their devices locked.
You can put a greater memory capacity SD card on a phone as long as it is legit and will fit the SD Card slot. It will read it and tell you how much space is left on it.
I don't believe anything will be automatically moved to the SD card as soon as you insert it. It takes time to build up what the phone will automatically or manually write to the SD card. Most SD cards, that come pre-loaded with the phone, usually already have something on on the SD card. Brand new SD cards usually are about 98% empty. They will have small folders/files that are property of the SD card but are not even noticeable when seeing how much memory it took to hold those pre-loaded files/folders.
Hope this shed a little light on your questions. If you're not too sure about specs of that then it doesn't hurt to see what a representative would know about why it looks odd that way.
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There was no SD card in the phone. The store rep removed the cover. Are you sure that the 16gb internal isnt partioned to have a pseudo sd card?
Its very possible that it was partitioned for that case but that is what seems odd to me. It wouldn't make sense to have internal memory, substituted partitioned internal memory acting as a SD card and a SD card slot.
Did you ask if that's just for the display phone or is it the same with for all SGS2s?
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There is no physical SD card in the phone. This is the same partioning that Samsung used on the first Galaxy S phones. It partitions the internal memory to show an internal SD card.
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There is no physical SD card in the phone. This is the same partioning that Samsung used on the first Galaxy S phones. It partitions the internal memory to show an internal SD card.
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So is that internal sd handled like a real sd card? If you install apps to it then it will also install part of the app to the 1.8gb real internal memory until all of the 1.8 is used and then your scre*ed?
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So is that internal sd handled like a real sd card? If you install apps to it then it will also install part of the app to the 1.8gb real internal memory until all of the 1.8 is used and then your scre*ed?
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Ok, I may have the answer to my question. I found this post in another forum:
The phone will install the APKs to the internal root memory which is 2GB in size. Then data files and additional app data downloaded goes into the internal SDcard memory which is 11GB in size.
The microSD card is listed as external_sd and you use it to store your photos & video (you can shoot direct to it), your music and movie files. These are files that take up a lot of space but you wouldn't use them all the time"
So I still have this question for anyone familiar:
Do all apps automatically load the apk's to the internal root memory and the data to the internal SD? Or do you have to explicitly tell the installer to install to the SD to prevent everything from installing to internal root memory?
Mine came partitioned as you wrote but I have not installed anything to it yet so can't answer your last question... what I hope is that it is treated like a total seperate drive I.e. don't erase that partition during flashing or full wipe, but gives you option of what partition to wipe or install to.
If the SGSII behaves the same as other Galaxy S phones then when you install an APP you just install it. Nothing special needed to point things around. There is no reason to install all apps to the External_SD or even the regular SD, youre just creating headaches for yourself. I have had over 524 apps installed on my captivate at one point and was still not out of space.
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If the SGSII behaves the same as other Galaxy S phones then when you install an APP you just install it. Nothing special needed to point things around. There is no reason to install all apps to the External_SD or even the regular SD, youre just creating headaches for yourself. I have had over 524 apps installed on my captivate at one point and was still not out of space.
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But just to be clear, it doesn't by default install the app data to the internal sd?
Mine has it as USB storage, not SD card.
I'm not sure how to check where the apps were installed.
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But just to be clear, it doesn't by default install the app data to the internal sd?
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In general it should install the app data where the app tells it to store the data. I know thats not very clear but different devs put data different places. I can remember early on angry birds and sims 2 put their data in a funky location and apps like TIBU wouldn't back them up so on a flash and restore you would loose game data.
I wouldnt worry about the partitioning its likely to work just fine. Install your apps and use the SDCARD for large data like photos and music and external_sd for more big files.
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I currently have about 90 apps installed.
Has anyone noticed the system ram is showing 784 MB?
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So.... when i connect my Inc to my pc... autoplay opens both partitions of my card. But I notice that there is a hell of a lot more room on the portion I can't save to... how do I format my card so that for instance I can have more room for photos....
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Are you certain you are viewing the SD card and not internal storage?
If SD is partitioned and you are running out of space in a partition, perhaps copy contents of SD to PC, then reformat SD to FAT32 and maybe repartition. fwiw, opinions vary on whether a partitioned SD adds appreciable benefit.
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Are you certain you are viewing the SD card and not internal storage?
If SD is partitioned and you are running out of space in a partition, perhaps copy contents of SD to PC, then reformat SD to FAT32 and maybe repartition. fwiw, opinions vary on whether a partitioned SD adds appreciable benefit.
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I have an 8gb card in my DInc.... when I use Root Explorer and go to sd card, it says I only have 876mb free.... and THAT is where I also find the photos from my camera, music and downloads.
When I plug it into the PC two drives show up, F and G, with F being the one above and G have 6.39gb available.... the folders in G are inaccessible on my phone and are:
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Here's the F... where everything is being saved...
I need these to be swapped to take full advantage of my SD Card.... ya know? I never even partitioned it to begin with... it was just like this after I rooted a while ago.
My BAD.... it's a 2gb SD Card... wow... I am feeling dummmmmb. Anywho... now how do I make the internal storage the default place for things to save?
What type ROM are you using? Note that AOSP ROMs invoke and interact quite a bit with the SD card, beginning with powering on the device.
Before reformatting or repartitioning SD, make sure you have a nandroid backup of your currently working setup. Recommend copying that to your PC so you have it if something goes wrong.
Have you tried copying entire contents of SD to PC, then from the PC reformatting the SD to FAT32, which will wipe the card and partitions, and then you can copy the contents back onto the nonpartitioned space on the SD.
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What type ROM are you using? Note that AOSP ROMs invoke and interact quite a bit with the SD card, beginning with powering on the device.
Before reformatting or repartitioning SD, make sure you have a nandroid backup of your currently working setup. Recommend copying that to your PC so you have it if something goes wrong.
Have you tried copying entire contents of SD to PC, then from the PC reformatting the SD to FAT32, which will wipe the card and partitions, and then you can copy the contents back onto the nonpartitioned space on the SD.
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See My BAD above.... heh.
How can I default music/photos to the internal 6.48gb?
No worries! BEFORE you move stuff, make a backup!
Certain of the internal storage space is not accessible by users - that said, you may want to find the internal storage space emmc and store your music there. In the camera app, go to the settings and toggle where it stores things from SD to phone.
Perhaps drag/drop files from SD to internal storage that is accessible to you.
Regardless, highly recommend beginning a best practice of copying SD card contents to PC when the SD card fails. Same with internal stored photos, tunes, whatever.
just buy a bigger sdcard it will save you so much headache and agrivation in the future.
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just buy a bigger sdcard it will save you so much headache and agrivation in the future.
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Didn't have to!
stole the 8gb from my old Eris! totally forgot I had it.
I am cool as a cucumber now.
Hi!
I was looking after this issue since my holidays. My Glide just uninstalls random applications that are on SD card (external_SD) after reboot. The replication is 8 out of 10. I had almost 30 apps on the SD card (mostly games).
What I did:
-restart the launcher
-wipe/factory reset
-change microSD cards
-reformat microSD card
How can I tell apps are uninstalled?
-checked Market
-checked TiBu (Backup/restore > Uninst. filter)
As I said, different apps are uninstalled every reboot. If I again reboot my device, the app(s) previously removed will be installed and another app(s) is removed.
Temporarily, my apps are transferred on my Internal storage (2gb) and so far, no issues. This quite puzzles me for I did not encounter any issues using my microSDs in file transfers, media and etc except for this one.
May you have similar issues and have solutions for them, please share and it will be greatly appreciated.
I posted this in the subforum for this only happened on my Glide (did not see in my Captivate and Infuse with same micrSDs). If you see this as inappropriate, please leave me a message or reply, or simply report my post.
Thanks
Correct me if I am wrong but apps moved to SD actually install to the 4gb USB storage in the unit (/sdcard). Nothing goes to the external SD (/sdcard/external_sd) unless manually moved there. If you want to install a program to the SD you have to use root utilities.
Doesn't help you with your issue but you should be able to completely remove the SD card and see if you continue to have the problem.
I haven't noticed this on my wife Glide but it does happen on my Skyrocket.
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Installed adw launcher last night and haven't had a problem with the disappearing apps.
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Correct me if I am wrong but apps moved to SD actually install to the 4gb USB storage in the unit (/sdcard). Nothing goes to the external SD (/sdcard/external_sd) unless manually moved there. If you want to install a program to the SD you have to use root utilities.
Doesn't help you with your issue but you should be able to completely remove the SD card and see if you continue to have the problem.
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No your wrong when you hit the button move to SD Card it actually goes to the MicroSD card. I tried hitting that button without a Microsd card and I get an error it says not External card detected or something like that. When I installed my MicroSD card it moved the apps to it.
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No your wrong when you hit the button move to SD Card it actually goes to the MicroSD card. I tried hitting that button without a Microsd card and I get an error it says not External card detected or something like that. When I installed my MicroSD card it moved the apps to it.
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You are correct. Good to know. I verified that I have a few apps moved to SD and they do not work when the SD is removed.
However, I can not replicate the OPs original issue. I put the SD back in and the apps are launchable again. All apps remain after reboot. When the SD was swapped was it with a different brand/model. I am using an 8gb Sandisk.
I could not replic
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No your wrong when you hit the button move to SD Card it actually goes to the MicroSD card. I tried hitting that button without a Microsd card and I get an error it says not External card detected or something like that. When I installed my MicroSD card it moved the apps to it.
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That's weird because I was able to move to SD without inserting a Micro SD card and when I move to SD, it moves them to the internal USB storage instead of the Micro SD card.
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That's weird because I was able to move to SD without inserting a Micro SD card and when I move to SD, it moves them to the internal USB storage instead of the Micro SD card.
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Weird how we both have different results here. I have the Rogers running Android version 2.3.5 and Kernel version 2.6.36.3
JB
responses are greatly appreciated....I also tried moving two apps on SDcard after transferring them to the internal (2GB) storage. my glide automatically removed one of them after reboot. Well it's not a concern until i ended up running out of space on my internal
I noticed this as well on some apps I just reinstalled them on the internal and will not transfer them to the SD I again. I guess some programs don't want to be transferred to SD.
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Weird how we both have different results here. I have the Rogers running Android version 2.3.5 and Kernel version 2.6.36.3
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I have the exact same phone, I think you are confused. Move to SD never moves to external SD. Why else would apps like 'Apps2SD' exist then?
Apps2Sd allows you to map certain folders that are hard coded to the sd internal. For example game loft games install on the internal applicaton 2 gig partition a small installer and then Download extra content on the internal sd card. Apps2Sd allows you to map the game directory from the internal sd to your micro sd card. Similar in linux with a sym link. The Move to Sd from the Os (gingerbread). Allows you to alleviate some room from your 2 gig applications partition and move apps to the Microsd card.
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Apps2Sd allows you to map certain folders that are hard coded to the sd internal. For example game loft games install on the internal applicaton 2 gig partition a small installer and then Download extra content on the internal sd card. Apps2Sd allows you to map the game directory from the internal sd to your micro sd card. Similar in linux with a sym link. The Move to Sd from the Os (gingerbread). Allows you to alleviate some room from your 2 gig applications partition and move apps to the Microsd card.
JB
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Could it be that whether it move to internal or external SD depends on the app? None of my apps have been moved to the external microSD yet. Maybe it is because I have extra space on my internal microSD? Also when I go to Manage Apps > On SD Card, it shows the space used and remaining on the internal SD(USB storage).
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Could it be that whether it move to internal or external SD depends on the app? None of my apps have been moved to the external microSD yet. Maybe it is because I have extra space on my internal microSD? Also when I go to Manage Apps > On SD Card, it shows the space used and remaining on the internal SD(USB storage).
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if you are rooted, look for a folder named .android.secure on your Glide's hard drives. That folder contains apps that are moved to SD card. I see mine on /sdcard/external_sd/.android.secure
Hi, even if this thread is an old one, the same issue happened to my phone:
I can't use the internal memory to move apps because they are uninstalled every time the phone is rebooted. What is the clue?
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I successfully flashed COW rom on my galaxy w and i downloaded games from the market.. I tried moving the app to my sd card but it keeps saying failed to move application.. this isnt happening before.. please help. I tried using app2sd and link2sd.. but they didnt work..
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I successfully flashed COW rom on my galaxy w and i downloaded games from the market.. I tried moving the app to my sd card but it keeps saying failed to move application.. this isnt happening before.. please help. I tried using app2sd and link2sd.. but they didnt work..
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If I am not wrong, COW's ROM has the internal/external swapping mod. That means whatever games/apps you installed are all in your external SD card. Hence, there is no need for you to "move" them as they have already in you SD card.
So its fine that all the apps i download goes to the device memory, which is only 857mb of space?
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So its fine that all the apps i download goes to the device memory, which is only 857mb of space?
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Is it being saved in the phone storage ?
Usually it is, and moving apps to the SD card would require a physical SD card. Because a swap would pretend the internal SD card storage to be the external SD card storage.
Don't want to confuse you but Samsung has its own way of partitioning the memory.
Default:
phone storage: 1,07GB
USB storage(internal SD card): 1,7GB
physical SD card(external SD card): up to 32GB
In default your apps should be stored in phone storage and if move your apps to SD card it will be moved to the USB storage(internal SD card) which is 1,7GB big.
If a swap is integrated in the firmware Your USB sotrage should be in the directory of the external SD card and your physical SD card should be in the directory of the internal SD card. So all the apps should be moved to the physical SD card.
If swapped:
phone storage: 1,07GB
physical SD card(internal SD card): up to 32GB
USB storage(external SD card): 1,7GB
maybe you will have to fix permission(honestly telling I don't know the effect of this, but it shouldn't harm your device ^^)
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Thank you for the info.. I think you were right but you are still required to move applications to sd manually and mine suddenly worked after a series of formatting the sd card. my usb storage is 15gb.. very covenient.
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Is it being saved in the phone storage ?
Usually it is, and moving apps to the SD card would require a physical SD card. Because a swap would pretend the internal SD card storage to be the external SD card storage.
Don't want to confuse you but Samsung has its own way of partitioning the memory.
Default:
phone storage: 1,07GB
USB storage(internal SD card): 1,7GB
physical SD card(external SD card): up to 32GB
In default your apps should be stored in phone storage and if move your apps to SD card it will be moved to the USB storage(internal SD card) which is 1,7GB big.
If a swap is integrated in the firmware Your USB sotrage should be in the directory of the external SD card and your physical SD card should be in the directory of the internal SD card. So all the apps should be moved to the physical SD card.
If swapped:
phone storage: 1,07GB
physical SD card(internal SD card): up to 32GB
USB storage(external SD card): 1,7GB
maybe you will have to fix permission(honestly telling I don't know the effect of this, but it shouldn't harm your device ^^)
greets
THE-E
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THE-E man...respect to you but you have really confused the issue here:
In default your apps should be stored in phone storage and if move your apps to SD card it will be moved to the USB storage(internal SD card) which is 1,7GB big.
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This is simply not true, for default, stock, unmodified /etc/vold.fstab [no mnt-point swap]
Apps moved on default phone, as above, will move to External SD card, if present........
They go to "hidden" encrypted folder on SD card:
/mnt/sdcard/external_sd/.android_secure
This folder cannot be viewed on your device by any file manager, even rooted...
but can be seen by using Storage Analyser, free from Market/Play.......
see example of moved Apps from my rooted stock ROM, totally default, no swaps, etc
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Same Apps shown with App2SD GUI On SD card Tab......
and again from Settings/Applications/Manage Applications/On SD Card Tab:
Note....Moved Apps have check in box
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THE-E man...respect to you but you have really confused the issue here:
This is simply not true, for default, stock, unmodified /etc/vold.fstab [no mnt-point swap]
Apps moved on default phone, as above, will move to External SD card, if present........
They go to "hidden" encrypted folder on SD card:
/mnt/sdcard/external_sd/.android_secure
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Thanks irishpancake, haven't heard about that before, but you are indeed right. I thought the memory of the internal sd card is being used if apps are being moved to SD.
It is really confusing if they write SD, because this doesn't say whether it is the internal sd or external sd.
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THE-E
Your welcome....
it is indeed confusing, particularly when you have had a previous phone, which did not have this internal SD/USB Memory partition.
IMHO, Devs are going to have to address this with Apps, particularly those apps which have large on-device data, like Mapping and Games.....
ppl should contact the devs to point out that there should be an option to save data to your external SD card, which would address the need some have to make the mount-point "swap" mod in vold.fstab...
Just for ppl confused about the vold.fstab modification, here is a little tutorial, from eriksP.....he used to post in this forum, earlier on!!!
Swap Internal / External SD on Samsung Galaxy W
Under applications when you choose Move to SD, is that supposed to move to internal or external SD. If it is supposed to move to external SD, what is the correct behavior when you don't have an external SD inserted?
This is in regards to the stock Samsung ROM.
sfhub said:
Under applications when you choose Move to SD, is that supposed to move to internal or external SD. If it is supposed to move to external SD, what is the correct behavior when you don't have an external SD inserted?
This is in regards to the stock Samsung ROM.
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Unless you make some modifications, anything that gets moved to "sd_card" is on the internal memory.
If you move an app to the external SD and then you don't have that card inserted, you won't be able to use the app. You MAY get a force close... more likely, you'll get an "unable to launch" error.
When moving to sd i think samsung originally intended for the app to move to the internal memory being that it shows the available space for the internal memory at the bottom. However when u move apps they actually go to the sd card and if you look closely you'll see the available memory at the bottom is not decreasing in size as you move them.. If you try to move an app with no sd card present you'll get an error about no sd card inserted pop up on the screen.
Edit: On ics it actually says unable to move app. Not enough available space. Mind you i have 8gbs free.
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Im gonna say it always goes to internal or "usb storage" I was looking here, shots attached, and you can see at the bottom of the third tab titled on sd card, it says usb storage. so sd card = usb storage = internal sd. All the same. I have a 32 gb external sd and no apps have been pushed over with the move to sd function, they move to usb
Edit:im currently on gb if it matters
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Im gonna say it always goes to internal or "usb storage" I was looking here, shots attached, and you can see at the bottom of the third tab titled on sd card, it says usb storage. so sd card = usb storage = internal sd. All the same. I have a 32 gb external sd and no apps have been pushed over with the move to sd function, they move to usb
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It just shows usb storage bcuz it thinks its sending them there. I guarantee if you move those apps back to the phone the available space wont change and if u look at ur actual sd card storage from the storage section you'll see the space free up there. I've already did my research and brought it up long ago. No one payed it any mind. Samsung failed on that just like they failed with the picture orientation when taking pics in portrait mode.. Unmount ur sd card and watch as every app thats been moved become grayed out till u reinsert ur card..
Edit: I also realized that the usb storage has been switched to sd card on ics fe07. However its still showing my internal memory meanwhile my apps move to the external sd..
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I can't find any trace of any apps on my external sd card using different file managers. They are all on /sd card as opposed to /sd card/external sd
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Yes, this discussion is exactly what led to my initial question.
When I move stuff to sd (on ICS) it says it is using USB storage and the SD section says 0, but it actually mapped the storage through a mount point on the internal SD that is mapped to external sd. The files are then kept in the .android_secure directory on the external SD.
However I read many posts where people are asking how they can move apps to the external SD instead of the internal SD, so that got me thinking in some cases it does the internal SD.
My android_secure folder on external sd is showing empty using root explorer.
I even used titanium backup's function of move all user apps to sd and they went to /sdcard not external
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All I'm saying is as long as u keep moving apps to sd the memory for the external card will decrease while the internal wont move a thing. Just go ahead and move them back and forth and keep an eye on available space for both internal/external and you'll see what i mean. Its weird idk. If they were truly on the internal the apps shouldn't disappears after an sd card unmount... I dont believe it ever does internal. At least I've never successfully moved an app without an external card present, i always receive some error message
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Under applications when you choose Move to SD, is that supposed to move to internal or external SD. If it is supposed to move to external SD, what is the correct behavior when you don't have an external SD inserted?
This is in regards to the stock Samsung ROM.
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In regards to stock at the present stock means gingerbread, 'cause ics isn't yet official on the Epic, in gingerbread in manage apps option is, move to SD card or move to phone, I guess phone means internal, and SD card means external. If card i s not present you get no option to move. That is in regards to stock.
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In regards to stock at the present stock means gingerbread, 'cause ics isn't yet official on the Epic, in gingerbread in manage apps option is, move to SD card or move to phone, I guess phone means internal, and SD card means external. If card i s not present you get no option to move. That is in regards to stock.
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For me, on stock GB, Move to SD ends up moving to external SD. Move to Phone is only present after an app is moved to (external) SD and if I press that, it moves back to /data on the phone. It doesn't move to internal SD.
I am under the impression that there is some factor which causes some phones to install to external SD and some phones to install to internal SD.
I am trying to hopefully discover what that pattern is because I know some people prefer one behavior and some prefer the other behavior.
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For me, on stock GB, Move to SD ends up moving to external SD. Move to Phone is only present after an app is moved to (external) SD and if I press that, it moves back to /data on the phone. It doesn't move to internal SD.
I am under the impression that there is some factor which causes some phones to install to external SD and some phones to install to internal SD.
I am trying to hopefully discover what that pattern is because I know some people prefer one behavior and some prefer the other behavior.
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Well if you figure it out I'd be interested in it. I would love too have my apps go to the internal. This phone scans the USB storage a lot faster than it does a sd card. I'm sure that would stop the whole apps going blank after removing an sd card when apps are on sd. I have so many apps on the sd it takes a while to fully scan and sometimes one or two don't load and are grayed so i have to unmount and remount to get them to show.. This phone struggles when it's scanning both media at the same time. If I power on without the sd card and put it in after it finish scanning the USB the sd card loads everything perfectly with no grayed out app icon.
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I would like to know as well. I would appreciate having the ability to choose external/internal sd when moving apps to sd.
The way storage capacity totals are currently displayed make what is happening a bit confusing. when I first got my phone I spent a couple hours experimenting after recognizing the behaviour noted above.
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sfhub said:
Yes, this discussion is exactly what led to my initial question.
When I move stuff to sd (on ICS) it says it is using USB storage and the SD section says 0, but it actually mapped the storage through a mount point on the internal SD that is mapped to external sd. The files are then kept in the .android_secure directory on the external SD.
However I read many posts where people are asking how they can move apps to the external SD instead of the internal SD, so that got me thinking in some cases it does the internal SD.
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Honestly sfhub i think all e4gt move to the external and some ppl just think its going to the internal. The way the On Sd section displays the available space for internal usb memory is enough to confuse some. I believe this phone is set up to look for a mounted sd card to move apps. That's just my opinion on the subject..
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Honestly sfhub i think all e4gt move to the external and some ppl just think its going to the internal. The way the On Sd section displays the available space for internal usb memory is enough to confuse some. I believe this phone is set up to look for a mounted sd card to move apps. That's just my opinion on the subject..
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That's what I thought too, but I believe some people can install/move to sd even without external SD inserted.
My unit cannot do this. It will only install/move to SD with external SD inserted, and even though the UI makes you think it is installing to internal SD, the actual files show up in the .android_secure folder on the external SD. If I don't have external SD inserted, then it will produce an error when you move an app to SD (or if the app tries to install to sd on its own). Therefore I believe some units are actually installing to internal SD because some people are able to move to SD even without external SD inserted.
Can someone (sfHub ) explain this, I think some of us need some clarification.
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All I'm saying is as long as u keep moving apps to sd the memory for the external card will decrease while the internal wont move a thing. Just go ahead and move them back and forth and keep an eye on available space for both internal/external and you'll see what i mean. Its weird idk. If they were truly on the internal the apps shouldn't disappears after an sd card unmount... I dont believe it ever does internal. At least I've never successfully moved an app without an external card present, i always receive some error message
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I've moved several apps to SD, first of all, currently you will receive "unable to move app to SD" if you're running an ICS build, secondly when I tried on GB, my external .Android_secure also stayed empty, the space remains the same, and the apps show up on
/sdcard, with the USB storage space reducing, not the external sd card. Not sure when the fix will come for ICS, hopefully soon, but sounds like maybe a broken partition somewhere if you are moving to sd and it doesn't go to USB, as it should...AND your external space is changing. Went to Samsung online support, and it is true, app to sd moves from "phone storage" to internal sd aka USB storage.
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sfhub said:
For me, on stock GB, Move to SD ends up moving to external SD. Move to Phone is only present after an app is moved to (external) SD and if I press that, it moves back to /data on the phone. It doesn't move to internal SD.
I am under the impression that there is some factor which causes some phones to install to external SD and some phones to install to internal SD.
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I see Sfhub is experimenting with Stock GB. However, I do not see mentioned that for this to work everyone should be on the same baseline to prevent variations to the results. Once enough data has been collected, then you can vary from the baseline (ie. try a different ROM) in a controlled environment to get accurate data.
Short version: rules & guidelines should be established to discover the correct answer to the question.
Edit: Also, to prevent tainted data, EVERY phone should be wiped, formatted & odined to stock. Formatted specifically since the discussion is related to SD storage.
Here is the data I've gathered if it will help.
I am running pure Stock EL29 Rooted (via Sfhubs one click), both SD's have been formatted as well. External SD is a 16 GB SD memory stick.
I will try to breakdown the screen captures, please also note the device and usb memory displayed at the very bottom of some of the screens also:
External SD not mounted
1. Bare, nothing installed
2. Installed Angry Birds
3. same - different cap
4. same - different cap
5. Tried moving app to external SD (which is currently not mounted)
External SD mounted
6. Angry Birds moved to SD
7. same - different cap
8. same - different cap
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9. Angry Birds on internal memory (before move)
10. Angry Birds on external storage (after move)
Conclusion (from this test environment): Stock EL29 Gingerbreak 2.3.6 - If an application is moved to SD, it is placed on the external SD by default. If one does not exist, the move is not possible.
Edit: If you compare screencaps #9 (before move) and #10 (after move), storage is dropping on BOTH internal and external SD at the same time after the app is moved to SD. The app is rather small so I cannot say exactly how much (or what) is moved where, just an observation.
Identical test results with Calkulin's 3.0 GB ROM. I'd put money on Blazer 4.1 coming up with the same results but I don't have the energy to keep flashing GB roms.
It's beginning to look like most of the roms based on stock GB 2.3.6 will have similar results as long as they haven't been specifically tweaked to move & run apps from internal SD storage.
Was looking at my storage and just realized that something doesn't seem right. Is my micro sd called the "external sd" folder? It seems like the files in the external sd is on my phone memory??
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Was looking at my storage and just realized that something doesn't seem right. Is my micro sd called the "external sd" folder? It seems like the files in the external sd is on my phone memory??
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Yes.
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Epic 4g Touch contains 16 gb of internal memory with the avalible expansion to a microsd card.
The folder /sdcard/ you see in any file manager is actually the internal memory and the folder /external_sd/ inside the /sdcard/ folder is your microsd...
Edit: Ok it isn't "really" 16 gb of internal storage.. The internal chip is a 16 gb storage chip but it also stores the data and system partitions (along with other phone related partitions) on that internal chip.. I believe you have somewhere around 12 gb of internal storage space that you can actually use...
The /sdcard/ is actually called your USB storage in android... Don't ask why it is named this way or why it appears as /sdcard/ ... IDK if anyone has a logical answer to that..
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Epic 4g Touch contains 16 gb of internal memory with the avalible expansion to a microsd card.
The folder /sdcard/ you see in any file manager is actually the internal memory and the folder /external_sd/ inside the /sdcard/ folder is your microsd...
Edit: Ok it isn't "really" 16 gb of internal storage.. The internal chip is a 16 gb storage chip but it also stores the data and system partitions (along with other phone related partitions) on that internal chip.. I believe you have somewhere around 12 gb of internal storage space that you can actually use...
The /sdcard/ is actually called your USB storage in android... Don't ask why it is named this way or why it appears as /sdcard/ ... IDK if anyone has a logical answer to that..
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OK...if the sd(micro SD) is called USB storage, how come I cannot physically move files from "external _sd" to USB storage(to free up storage on the phone and put all the music and photo files on external micro sd)?
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OK...if the sd(micro SD) is called USB storage, how come I cannot physically move files from "external _sd" to USB storage(to free up storage on the phone and put all the music and photo files on external micro sd)?
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Not sure if I confused you trying to explain it... Simple, short, sweet version
/sdcard/ = Internal memory = USB Storage
/sdcard/external_sd/ = Micro SD
If you want to free up storage space on the phone.. you need to move files from /sdcard/ to /sdcard/external_sd/
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Not sure if I confused you trying to explain it... Simple, short, sweet version
/sdcard/ = Internal memory = USB Storage
/sdcard/external_sd/ = Micro SD
If you want to free up storage space on the phone.. you need to move files from /sdcard/ to /sdcard/external_sd/
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Those were my initial thoughts, but when checking the storage, it says there is approximately 8GBs of "miscellaneous" files. After clicking into the miscellaneous files, it said approx. 4GB is on the external SD. If it's on the external SD, why would it show up as miscellaneous file under internal phone memory?
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Those were my initial thoughts, but when checking the storage, it says there is approximately 8GBs of "miscellaneous" files. After clicking into the miscellaneous files, it said approx. 4GB is on the external SD. If it's on the external SD, why would it show up as miscellaneous file under internal phone memory?
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Go into System Settings and Storage.. It should tell you device memory, USB Storage and SD Card... Are you on a TW rom or CM9?
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Go into System Settings and Storage.. It should tell you device memory, USB Storage and SD Card... Are you on a TW rom or CM9?
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