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Ouch I feel like I am going to regret

My TP2 just shipped (I guess I'll recieve it in 2 or 3 days) and I just saw today that the Omnia Pro is set to be out in August
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/samsung-b7610-louvre-rematerializes-specd-and-caught-on-camera/
Much more powerful processor than the TP2 AND slimmer phone
Aaaahhh I feel so bad
That said I think the TP2 looks better (but it's fatter..........)

TP2 still better IMO.
I only thinking of HTC Snapdragon based device after this.

Better ? Mmh I dont think so but I hope I am wrong
I also forgot about the better camera, and extra memory
But yeah I love TOuchFlo + the great support from XDA, so... at least that gives me a bit less regrets (Besides the keyboard of the TP is probably better (Though I dont care that much)

Alcibiade said:
My TP2 just shipped (I guess I'll recieve it in 2 or 3 days) and I just saw today that the Omnia Pro is set to be out in August
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/samsung-b7610-louvre-rematerializes-specd-and-caught-on-camera/
Much more powerful processor than the TP2 AND slimmer phone
Aaaahhh I feel so bad
That said I think the TP2 looks better (but it's fatter..........)
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I read that the interface is (at least at the moment) sluggish despite the CPU, and I hate the ergonomics (tilt, keyboard) of the device. I'm curious about 2 things on the OmPro, 1) how much battery life the AMOLED screen saves over LCD and 2) what performance increase comes from the video acceleration it advertises. For now, I actually have more good to say about the cheaply constructed acer m900.
Specs aren't everything[/sacrilege].

fortunz said:
I read that the interface is (at least at the moment) sluggish despite the CPU, and I hate the ergonomics (tilt, keyboard) of the device. I'm curious about 2 things on the OmPro, 1) how much battery life the AMOLED screen saves over LCD and 2) what performance increase comes from the video acceleration it advertises. For now, I actually have more good to say about the cheaply constructed acer m900.
Specs aren't everything[/sacrilege].
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True I forgot the AMOLED screen
Even if it doesnt save much energy, you can at elast expect it to ahve way better contrast than regular LED screens
Specs arent everything, but it is Samsung. You can expect them to do much better than Eten

Much better pics there:
http://www.techchee.com/2009/06/14/samsung-louvre-b7610-pictures-and-specs/
Aaah it looks so slim compared to the TP2
Probably lighter as well I guess

Alcibiade said:
You can expect them to do much better than Eten
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That depends on what you mean by "better". Better build quality and specs, sure. But there's almost nothing on the OmPro that really draws me in yet. The TP2's processor is fast enough. TP2's RAM (not clear on what amount of memory is reserved for active processes on the OmPro) is enough to do what I want. TP2's ergonomics are untouched and its interface has been optimized and honed across several past models.
What does draw my eye on the lower quality Acer device is that, out of the box, the biometric sensor that was designed solely for checking fingerprints multitasks--without making room for a big dpad, Acer has still provided what seems to be a very usable and versatile navigation aid while still saving space and adding a nice security feature. I suspect the TP2's zoom bar will also be hacked for similar functionality, but the added options aren't there out of the box. The m900 pulled a little rabbit out of it's hat with this one, and I think it deserves props.
I also noticed that the m900 has a built-in menu for auto-rotation settings by program, out of the box. The TP2 needs an external program for that functionality, and I wouldn't be surprised if the OmPro did too.
I suspect a lot of people will be drawn to the OmPros based on the specsheet alone, and if that happens, I'm actually glad. That just means the TP2 will face some more price pressure, and I might get a better deal. If I sit down next to an OmPro user, I don't anticipate feeling envy so mush as pity, because long after they've started lusting after the next higher spec'd device (often probably for little reason other than some of the numbers are "bigger"), I'm still going to be profoundly content with my choice.

fortunz said:
That depends on what you mean by "better". Better build quality and specs, sure. But there's almost nothing on the OmPro that really draws me in yet. The TP2's processor is fast enough. TP2's RAM (not clear on what amount of memory is reserved for active processes on the OmPro) is enough to do what I want. TP2's ergonomics are untouched and its interface has been optimized and honed across several past models.
What does draw my eye on the lower quality Acer device is that, out of the box, the biometric sensor that was designed solely for checking fingerprints multitasks--without making room for a big dpad, Acer has still provided what seems to be a very usable and versatile navigation aid while still saving space and adding a nice security feature. I suspect the TP2's zoom bar will also be hacked for similar functionality, but the added options aren't there out of the box. The m900 pulled a little rabbit out of it's hat with this one, and I think it deserves props.
I also noticed that the m900 has a built-in menu for auto-rotation settings by program, out of the box. The TP2 needs an external program for that functionality, and I wouldn't be surprised if the OmPro did too.
I suspect a lot of people will be drawn to the OmPros based on the specsheet alone, and if that happens, I'm actually glad. That just means the TP2 will face some more price pressure, and I might get a better deal. If I sit down next to an OmPro user, I don't anticipate feeling envy so mush as pity, because long after they've started lusting after the next higher spec'd device (often probably for little reason other than some of the numbers are "bigger"), I'm still going to be profoundly content with my choice.
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My Hermes is fast enough too... It's a bit funny to say you pity people going for the best specs [Though I understand what you mean: implementation is key]. "Fast enough" always depends on what you are aiming for... If you want to do gaming with your phone, you are always happier to have something fast
It's very likely the Samsung camera will be better than the TP2 (Samsung is a camera maker, and the camera is supposed to have an autostabilizer + a flash)
It is quite obvious from the pics it is also slimmer and I find it difficult to say you prefer a fatter phone in your pocket (Personally I dont)
The screen is quite likely to look better than the TP2's (However the "touch" part of the screen may not be as good) and will draw less juice (how much less, that we dont know)
I do agree the interface should be better on the TP2 (though we may see TouchFlo 3D adapted for the Omnia) and the phone looks better (I dont like the Samsung black & orange look)
As far as the price is concerned you are most likely right. However I wont enjoy the pressure on price since I already orderd my unit
In the end I thnk the TP2 looks a bit better, but fatter and with specs probably not as good, for maybe a hiher price than the one rumored for the Samsung
Dont take me wrong, I love HTC (It's my second HTC device), but this doesnt prevent me from being critical and not acting like an inconditional fan boy
Anyway TP2 will be enough for me to wait for a Tegra device (We'll need it if we want decent games... Typically the new iPhone will probably rock for this (Until tegra arrives and potentially proves to be better)

I am not sure it looks thinner by a lot. Maybe a few mm. Nothing that you can really wow about it. Samsung will reveal this phone, if its true, this month. You will have some real measurements then. HTC will also be revealing a line of new phones on 24 June. So maybe there will be more surprises. Maybe some Snapdragon goodies.
Don't be sad, I have just ordered mine too and it has yet to arrive. I still waiting for my carrier to call me to pick it up (should be today, fingers x). There will always be new things arriving and new technologies that will beat todays tech. So why be sad. Knowing that this upgrade for me is what will keep me happy for another 12 to 18 months puts a smile on my face already. By then, there will be 1.0+ GHz CPUs, GBs of storage space, GBs of RAM, Millions of colours and brilliant LCDs. Maybe a TP3 even.
This phone won't be available until 3Q. Look at the Omnia HD. It was announced back in February. It came out in June (only in some countries and not even here in Asia yet). So it took nearly 4 months. And the styling of the phone changed completely. So don't hold your breath on it. If the annoucement is gonna be made in June / July. You won't see the phone until October at the earliest and we won't see it until Xmas in Asia. Samsung takes ages to launch their phones over here.
So why wait and the long face?

I think the touch pro 2 looks better, and the design (especially the keyboard) is better. Apart from the processor, I don't see any improvements..
There probably is a long way to go optimizing this new processor also.
This is the first omnia trying to get to the bussiness people, so I am curious how that will happen. I never seen the UI but it sound really good. If it's really that good, I think it will be available via this forum for us too

cocoaju said:
I am not sure it looks thinner by a lot. Maybe a few mm. Nothing that you can really wow about it. Samsung will reveal this phone, if its true, this month. You will have some real measurements then. HTC will also be revealing a line of new phones on 24 June. So maybe there will be more surprises. Maybe some Snapdragon goodies.
Don't be sad, I have just ordered mine too and it has yet to arrive. I still waiting for my carrier to call me to pick it up (should be today, fingers x). There will always be new things arriving and new technologies that will beat todays tech. So why be sad. Knowing that this upgrade for me is what will keep me happy for another 12 to 18 months puts a smile on my face already. By then, there will be 1.0+ GHz CPUs, GBs of storage space, GBs of RAM, Millions of colours and brilliant LCDs. Maybe a TP3 even.
This phone won't be available until 3Q. Look at the Omnia HD. It was announced back in February. It came out in June (only in some countries and not even here in Asia yet). So it took nearly 4 months. And the styling of the phone changed completely. So don't hold your breath on it. If the annoucement is gonna be made in June / July. You won't see the phone until October at the earliest and we won't see it until Xmas in Asia. Samsung takes ages to launch their phones over here.
So why wait and the long face?
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Thanks for cheering me up. No reaso to be sad, it will be anyway definitely better than my Hermes (Cant believe all my friends switched from Hermes to iPhone...)
Anyway my purchase is exactly in the same purpose as yours: wait for mature, well balanced tegra or snapdragon phones with better screens, camera, etc... ie roughly 1 year from now

Alcibiade said:
Thanks for cheering me up. No reaso to be sad, it will be anyway definitely better than my Hermes (Cant believe all my friends switched from Hermes to iPhone...)
Anyway my purchase is exactly in the same purpose as yours: wait for mature, well balanced tegra or snapdragon phones with better screens, camera, etc... ie roughly 1 year from now
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You are welcome mate!
There will be many of us sitting in the same boat for the next 12 months. Some will jump on and some will jump off. Hopefully support for this phone will be as great as the HD, so there will be many of more tweaks and upgrades to make this phone being 'THE' phone to have for 2009.

in my opinion, the TP2 will probably be the best in its class for the year to come even over any Samsung competition, mainly because of the stability and work put into the integration of the HTC software and WM OS. Samsung has great specs, but their software leaves a lot to be desired. I had an Omnia and a Blackjack 2 and they were extremely buggy, as with most WM machines I had. But with HTC Touch HD and onwards, they've really come close to making the OS as stable and quick as possible. The processor and specs look enticing on the new Samsung, but I'm confident that the TP2 will still out perform it in real life usage. (another case in point is that I had the Samsung INNOV8, the Nokia N96-killer...great hardware, but never came out with a new firmware and was always buggy and choppy to use).
So for right now, I don't think anyone should regret picking up the TP2 or Diamond 2...both excellent pieces of engineering. The real waiting should be for the next generation of snapdragon units...

tsaojam said:
in my opinion, the TP2 will probably be the best in its class for the year to come even over any Samsung competition, mainly because of the stability and work put into the integration of the HTC software and WM OS. Samsung has great specs, but their software leaves a lot to be desired...
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Totally agree! I tried playing around with the TouchWiz and it is crap. Don't like it at all. Don't like the widgets and stuff on it where you can move things around. It makes it look messy. I was never keen on those moving around thingies. I know they are trying to achieve a desktop feel but it just looks weird on a vertical screen.

Alcibiade said:
My Hermes is fast enough too... It's a bit funny to say you pity people going for the best specs [Though I understand what you mean: implementation is key]. "Fast enough" always depends on what you are aiming for... If you want to do gaming with your phone, you are always happier to have something fast
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The device comes with DLNA, a connectivity regime that I gather is for displaying video between devices. I could understand an increasing need for speed for someone who wanted to store HD vids and TV-out them to an HD set, but there, I'd be skeptical that 800mhz would do the trick (which is part of why I mentioned being interested in how much performance you could get from the video acceleration mentioned in the specs) until I actually saw it in action. It's one of those things where, unless the vid accel is awesome, it probably works JUST well enough, and then in 6-12 months once the novelty wears and the defects really shine, the user is going to be drooling over some 1+ ghz snapdragons. Once you start looking at some of these devices on a price per month basis in situations like that, they look less attractive.
I'm not sure what games are available for WinMo that really push specs. Are you plugged into that? Is it just about looking for more hertz for better emulation performance? Or are there some serious native titles available that lag on current hardware or have settings you can crank up for better performance?
The thing is, there are tons of peeps who think 800mhz MUST be better than 500mhz, even though they have no particular application category where the processor is a real bottleneck. Clockspeed is, both in mobiles and desktops, a decreasingly useful metric for actual performance increases. Infrastructure is more and more important, and software optimization is the great undiscovered country in computing performance.
It is quite obvious from the pics it is also slimmer and I find it difficult to say you prefer a fatter phone in your pocket (Personally I dont)
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If you look at girth as a single feature, you're right, it's hard to argue. If you look at it as a balancing act between features, then the question isn't "fatter or thinner" but rather "fatter with better ergonomics or thinner with worse ergonomics". In this case I'm weighing the TP2's 5 row, offset, well-spaced (and potentially better tactile feedback) keyboard and tilt ability against the apparently (are there measurements yet?) thinner OmPro without them. Given that we're talking about a couple of mm, I'm totally willing to sacrifice thinner for the ergonomics. It is a personal choice, but not an indefensible one
The screen is quite likely to look better than the TP2's (However the "touch" part of the screen may not be as good) and will draw less juice (how much less, that we dont know)
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Battery life in portables is a huge factor for me. It plays into usability in a big way. If AMOLED really delivers, I will be wooed, just not before I see hard proof. If Samsung can't deliver the type of resistive screen responsiveness HTC managed in this round, that might be wash.
Dont take me wrong, I love HTC (It's my second HTC device), but this doesnt prevent me from being critical and not acting like an inconditional fan boy
Anyway TP2 will be enough for me to wait for a Tegra device (We'll need it if we want decent games... Typically the new iPhone will probably rock for this (Until tegra arrives and potentially proves to be better)
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This will be my very first HTC, and my very first winmo. I look at devices based on what they bring to the table, not on who made them (thus the Acer props). So I'm not trying to attack you for being disloyal , just attempting to reassure you that the two things you mentioned in the OP weren't necessarily worth hari kari.
If someone will really rip off some of HTC's best work in the very near future and throw in a snapdragon, well, yeah, then let the disemboweling commence.

Guys,
according to today's release notes Omnia Pro has 135MB RAM.
1GB is for ROM.
That's a far cry from TP2's 288 MB RAM.
If this is true, it's just not enough, regardless of the nice screen (AMOLED), potentially faster CPU (Mhz is not everything, needs to be benched) and nicer camera.
On WM devices RAM is the 2nd most important thing after CPU or your device slows to a crawl

vasra said:
Guys,
according to today's release notes Omnia Pro has 135MB RAM.
1GB is for ROM.
That's a far cry from TP2's 288 MB RAM.
If this is true, it's just not enough, regardless of the nice screen (AMOLED), potentially faster CPU (Mhz is not everything, needs to be benched) and nicer camera.
On WM devices RAM is the 2nd most important thing after CPU or your device slows to a crawl
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yeha if it's true you defintely cheer me up
135MB is a little bit weird number though...
Yeah Mhz is not everything (For instance I never ever owned a Pentium P4 ehehe) hwoever in this field Samsung processor have the repuation of usually being faster clock for clock (Again I agree with you it definitely depends on the architecture of the processor)

Just got mine today as said before. Let me tell you. NO REGRETS WHATSOEVER!
You will see when you get yours mate. Man, it's a beauty!

The guys gave you technical reasons why our tp2 is still better... mine is much more simple.. the tp2 is still prettier and sexier....

Is there kind of flash for camera in TP2? My X01HT has white beam turning on when activating "flash". Thanks.
cocoaju said:
Just got mine today as said before. Let me tell you. NO REGRETS WHATSOEVER!
You will see when you get yours mate. Man, it's a beauty!
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Mediocre launch hardware?

Am I the only one who feels the launch hardware is pretty mediocre compared to what is currently available for Android phones?
Almost all of the phones are using slower versions of the 1GHz Snapdragon, even Samsung is not using their Hummingbird processors.
I believe only one of the launch phones will include a front facing camera for video conferencing.
Then consider that same models won't be launched until late 2010 / early 2011, I don't believe this is a good start for WP7.
The software looks great though. Can't wait to see if it can be ported to my Nexus One!

I guess so when compared to the higher end Android smartphones, but WP7 has a small footprint. It doesn't require a lot to the same as Android and Iphone. If you can do the same with less, why add more?
Also Android fragmentation doesn't help this situation either. YOu may get a phone with a 1.5ghz processor, but because there are phone that have 528mhz processors there won't be any apps that fully utilize the hardware.

Mediocre launch hardware? You must be kidding. Let's recall Android's launch hardware. Also, you can't just look at raw specs, drivers and services play a huge role in real life. Galaxy S is the current spec champion, but I can bet that any single WP7 device will wipe the floor with it in terms of performance and stability.
And don't forget that you can buy pretty much any of these phones, they'll all be blazing fast. So if you need a gimmick like the front camera - go for it. The OEM just has no chance to screw up the phone in other areas.

And of course the manufacturers are holding back on the hardware in the first run of phones. They meet Microsofts minimum demands now and can put "new" hardware into models that they will release in spring. All companies are in it for the money and they would sell less phones if they put in the latest technology in the first models, ending up with higher costs for them and higher cost for the customer. And also risking having nothing new to come with for the coming months.

sometimes we assume too much.
The current HD2 FAILED to impress me with what was supposed to be a flagship package and op tiered device. Why? it was sorely due to extremely poor implementation of drivers and dlls of the stock ROM. But when flashed with cooked WM6.5 roms and tweaked extensively, HD2 is transformed into a speedy and smooth device.
So, IMO any lineup that sports 1GHz CPU should be relevant still at least for another 2 years and that's why WP7 debuted with those, they are optimized from the ground up to run on 1GHz processor and MS took a very long time to have it running as it is today....just wait for some shop demo units to arrive and try it out. seriously nothing beat the actual experience. I was lucky to try out a development unit in Seattle (a 600Mhz LG) two months ago and it changed my initial preception towards WP7. So a 1GHz device should be WP7 on drugs....and yes the footprints are small

Yeah maybe WinMo7 is tweaked for the current hardware and can do more with less but I'm still disapointed.
I got my HD in September last year, loved it, in December last year I got my HD2, the difference between the two was immence, perhaps that has spoilt me to the HD7 as I was expecting the same sort of spec/performance jump which there really isnt if the spec sheets are an indicator of performance..

But the point is, spec sheets aren't the only indicator of performance. You will see a performance boost compared to HD2 even with the same hardware inside. With HTC's crappy WM drivers it's easy.

vangrieg said:
But the point is, spec sheets aren't the only indicator of performance. You will see a performance boost compared to HD2 even with the same hardware inside. With HTC's crappy WM drivers it's easy.
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Maybe, but why still a 5mp camera and no more storage?

Remember, it's the optics, not the # of MP that makes a good camera. My former Droid's 5MP camera was horrible compared to my even older Blackberry Storm's 3.2MP camera.

And do we think that HTC have changed the optics on the HD7, or do we all agree that its just a recycled HD2?
Not that it matters, the HD7 is o2 exclusive and the Mozart is an Orange exclusive so I cant get either this year...

Exactly. Megapixels matter when you print posters. For everything else 5MP is more than enough. Moreover, the more megapixels you cram into a sensor of the same size, the poorer the quality. Usually you need to increase physical sensor size to get better quality pictures, otherwise all you get is tons of noise in less-than-perfect lighting (i.e. 99% of the time), or artifacts due to extreme noise reduction.

Trig0r said:
And do we think that HTC have changed the optics on the HD7, or do we all agree that its just a recycled HD2?
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It's not just optics, it also depends on the sensor. I don't know what they use in the new phones, but if they use the sensor recommended by MS it can only be an improvement. The megapixel count by itself doesn't reveal any information whatsoever about the camera quality.

You are flat out wrong. If you look at what was available at the time and the first Android phone then you will see that this WP7 launch is quite impressive.
The first Android phone was the HTC Dream, or the G1. This phone was released in Nov 2008.
3MP Camera no flash.
3.2" Screen
Wifi G
528MHz CPU
MiniUSB
There you go. These WP7 phones have similar hardware to the best phones on the market. It took a while before we started to see the likes of the Droid, then Nexus One, then Desire, then Droid X.
The only thing that people seem to complain about is the Apple-like restrictions. For me I love the hubs and the OS seems functional. I will take functional over fancy.

the spec is quite good, you cant expect a massive hardware leap when the hardware is already pushing limits. The one gripe i have is that all the uk handsets bar the lg (that looks so rubbish i wouldn't ever touch it) is th 8gb storage!!! really guys come on. though this will just give me an excuse to sell my fish tank and buy a new zune (also this will benefit my battery)

It is true drivers and optimization has a big role on the performance. BUT there is a big push on this being a gaming platform. How could the 8250 snapdragon, which has the Adreno 200 graphics even be fast enough. I have a Nexus one which is the same graphics, and the graphics are playble but no where near the performance of say the Adreno 205(Scorpion cpu) or the Hummingbird cpu. I really do hope i'm wrong but I dont think optimizations could do enough to make the Adreno 200 push out enough power.

Have you seen the game demos on Windows Phone 7? They made me forget what the chipset was. I'll take an efficient software implementation over bleeding edge hardware anyday because the software is immediately impacts the experience you have with a given device. I don't even notice the performance difference between a HTC EVO 4G and my Samsung Galaxy S Captivate in normal day to day use.
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I agree that the launch hardware is quite mediocre, and seems to be mid-range Android hardware. There are a couple of interesting bits (Focus Super AMOLED screen, HTC's Dolby Surround Sound, LG's DLNA support), but they aren't really enough to cover for the fact that the storage options are half of other platforms (Android/iOS) or less, the processor is running a less battery-efficient CPU with a GPU 1/3 the speed of existing shipping devices (Desire, G2, iPhone 4), and most WP7 devices are missing new hardware peripherals such as front-facing cameras. It's really not a very competitive hardware response compared to what is already out on the market, and this is for a mobile OS that is emphasizing its ability as a gaming system.
People aren't really likely to notice the difference in CPU/GPU on a daily basis, but they'll certainly notice that they can only store half of the multimedia/game content they used to (and unlimited data plans are disappearing, so don't count on "cloud storage" to make up for the difference), they'll notice when their WP7 copy of Rage runs at half the framerate of their iOS buddies, and they'll notice peripherals that keep them from being able to use products (such as a front-facing camera, so that they can't video "Yahoo Messenger/Live Messenger" with their friends on Android devices or home systems).
I'm really hoping that MS actually got the hardware manufacturers attention, and that this was a first rushed pass to convert hardware. If that is the case, we should start seeing competitive "flagship" hardware trickle out over the next 3-4 months.
If this is all the hardware manufacturers were planning to do, then it's going to severely undermine the WP7 platform if we continue to get last year's hardware releases. Non-competitive hardware can hinder sales, which will slow app development, which may result in early calls that the platform has "failed" (and which will likely, ironically, result in manufacturers continuing to only commit second-rate hardware to the platform). That would be a really disappointing outcome for an OS platform that I think could genuinely be second-to-none with a few software updates.

I'm hoping the phones we have seen are a minimum spec reference from Microsoft and that the next batch will allow the OEM's to get a bit more creative.

I think many people are focusing on the camera bits for no reason. I don't mind the 5MP camera, I am not expecting DLSR quality out of a cell phone. And I agree on the part of the improved optics with a smaller sensor, resulting in better quality.
I have a Nexus One, I love it. But compared to the Galaxy phones, it is midrange hardware. Try running the Galaxy live wallpapers on Nexus One, it will grind to a halt. The Hummingbird chipset has greatly improved performance over Snapdragon.
What I don't understand is why WP7 isn't launched on top tier hardware. I know the hardware will improve over time, but why are vendors brining out dated WP7 hardware when they are releasing Android hardware that exceeds WP7 specs.
I don't think the comparison to the Android launch is appropriate. When Android was launched, there was really only one player - Apple. Pretty much any hardware you put out there would be better than a WM6 phone, except HD2. The expectations were not nearly as high, as no one expected Android to be the Apple killer.
People expect WP7 to be the Apple killer. But they are pushing out hardware that doesn't even compare to Android?

lol, well i made a dumb mistake, If we are to believe engadget then at least the HD7 is using the MSM8250. Which is different than the QSD8250 of the nexus one. The msm8250 does contain the newer adreno 205 gpu in it. So we will see a decent jump in graphics. Initial tests are around the power of the hummingbird gpu. Some tests it beats it at least. So thats some good news.

No manufacturers going to change it up?

I am wondering if any manufacturers are going to be different anytime soon? I am hoping that by July we will see a little "fragmentation" i.e. we have tegra 2 phone with 32GB data and a SAMOLED screen.
Or is chassis 1 very, very strict, that we are only going to see specs x.

well MS has set all minimum specs, but I'm guessing that for things like CPU, MS should define what manufacturers can use as they're all too scared to just put any chip in without causing damage to the WP image. Most of the variations at present can really come from the camera, on board memory (and sd slot), and the screen type. Everything else you'll find to be quite similar at this stage, but hopefully MS defines the other 2 chassis type so that more variations can come about.

Meh, its annoying that the closest to what I want is a slider.
I plan on never having a slider again after seeing pretty much every person who owned a slider(including me) have it break. Conditions don't seem to suit sliders much.
16GB, 4" AMOLED screen, SD slot and audio quality coming out of the phone that is just as good the the Zune HD's.
Omnia 7 just misses it by no SD slot, 16GB almost impossible to get in SA, and the audio out seems to have missed all the low bass?!
I use quality headphones + an amp, or I plug my phone into my speaker system or my car. I will notice those frequencies...
Though one thing I do not care for, definately goes to speaker quality, neer really cared about that.

Agree! if just ONE manufacture put their whole effort into 1 of their WP7 phones, it would wipe the floor with the competition and give us all an obvious choice when it comes to selecting a wp7 phone. instead, the choice is difficult and they are technically no better than the 18 month old HD2 if just one of these new phones had for example a front facing camera, 32gb nand memory or more... ive no doubt it would be everyones pick.

I think the Samsung Omnia is the best device, however its a shame that it only comes with 8GB memory and no way to expand it.

Phone Titan said:
I think the Samsung Omnia is the best device, however its a shame that it only comes with 8GB memory and no way to expand it.
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That's why the Venue Pro is better

Jim Coleman said:
That's why the Venue Pro is better
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I love this phone all except for slider if it was as slim as the HD7 I would not hesitate in getting one. The 4.1 AMOLED screen is just right and 16 GB memory will get me buy for now.

if i was patient enough i probably wuld have got the venue pro if it has 16gb

agp64 said:
I love this phone all except for slider if it was as slim as the HD7 I would not hesitate in getting one. The 4.1 super AMOLED screen is just right and 16 GB memory will get me buy for now.
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It's AMOLED without "Super". AFAIK, only Samsung phones have S-AMOLED display.

The chassis only stated minimums... The OEMS aren't building more expensive devices because they don't have to. When the OS has picked up and is selling more, then you'll see the superphones (The first Android phone was not an Evo)

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Sorry my mistake.[Fixed] I was just reading up on the difference and the super looks a fair bit better again.

Pros/cons of the Nexus

I'd like to try and maintain an ongoing list of what the community has to say about this phone. Hopefully people can make a well informed buying decision with the help of this list.
Pros
Nexus. Will be maintained by google, not the carrier.
Screen. Native 720p 4.65", Super AMOLED
4G
ICS
NFC
1.2Ghz Dual Core OMAP 4460
size - despite the 4.65" screen size it is not much bigger than other phones with 4.3",4.5" displays
Bluetooth 4.0+HS if/when software supports it
Cons
Non expandable storage. While the device comes with 16GB/32GB storage and does support external USB media, it adds extra bulk to the phone. There are no simple ways to extend your storage capabilities without adding extra bulk, or risking losing data coverage and not being able to access your cloud storage.
Mixed Opinions
Lack of Gorilla Glass. Will have another brand of unknown quality.
Outdated GPU. I put this in mixed opinions as many people speculate that this hardware was hand picked by the makers of android, and has already proven to handle anything thrown at it.
Lack of physical buttons. Really depends on the user. I personally like where they are going with this.
Exclusiveness. There are many rumors, and this will be moved or deleted when we know more. I personally find it to be a con if it is truly exclusive to Verizon, as the more carriers offer this, the more people will get there hands on it, hence more developers will flock to this phone.
Price. Currently we only have an unofficial price for the international version, which I don't see any complaints for.
Please feel free to post what you think should be added or moved on this list.

He edited his post and mixed opinions.
I voided my warranty and your nexus.

Mixed opinions on size.
Con: huuuge top bezel!!!!

Indeed, I originally had under mixed opinions, that both the CPU/GPU were outdated as the SGSII has a 1.5 Dual core, clock speeds can be decieving. There is no doubt that this 1.2 can compete with the rest of the high end devices with higher clock speed.

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Mixed opinions on size.
Con: huuuge top bezel!!!!
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Personally, don't see an issue with the size, nor do I see many others commenting on its size. It is comparable to all the other devices currently being released. I will be keeping these off the list until I see a few others request them to be added.

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Mixed opinions on size.
Con: huuuge top bezel!!!!
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i guess i would second this and here's why. is it Huuuge? no, its the same as other phones. However, that is what makes it a con, it is the same as other phones. the nexus inst meant to be the same as other phones. Each nexus is meant to be a taste of the future. Just my $.02

The bezel is larger than most phones by HTC and Motorola. It's comparible to the Galaxy series and the iPhone... Take a look at how thin the bezel is on the HTC DesireHD/Inspire. There's only just enough room for the speaker grill, that's it. The bottom bezel actually serves a functional purpose, making the use of the phone more comfortable, but the top? Urgh...

The only cons is size IMO. Everything else is great. But since my SGS2 is perfect size IMO, I hope Galaxy Nexus will be OK too.

A huge pro for me is that, the hardware was specifically created to work with ICS, sometimes I just feel that other devices just slap an update on a phone to get it out there and then you get a bunch of bugs and defects. Also knowing that this phone, is the phone in mind when making future OTA updates.
I wanted a Nexus device ever since the Nexus One came out but I had Verizon, I'm very happy to hear that I can have one now.
I'm only hoping that the with the 5 MP camera, will a have very nice lense and shutter so it can at least compare to my Incredible 2 or maybe even the iPhone.

i've mixed opinions about the CPU
it's only 1.2 Ghz
looking forward to see how it fares against Exynos 1.2 Ghz & Qualcomms 1.5 Ghz

-con: android.

Non expandable storage
I used to think this was an issue but two things changed my mind. 1) I got a Galaxy Tab. No removable storage and I never think about it. It was a big con when the Tab came out but nobody even talks about this anymore. 2) I've had Android phones for 2 years now. All of them have had removable SD cards. Funny thing, I've never removed them.
Lack of Gorilla Glass. Will have another brand of unknown quality.
I've never had Gorilla Glass and have never broken a phone's glass. Not an issue to me. I'm careful.
Lack of physical buttons.
No physical buttons on the Galaxy Tab (Honeycomb). It's a LOT better than physical buttons. Why? ALL Android devices from now on will have the same layout. I've had an Original Droid, an Incredible and now a Thunderbolt. The button layout isn't the same on these devices. I still find I'm pressing the back when I meant the home button. That never happens to me on the Tab.
Exclusiveness.
I'm a Verizon user, my company's a Verizon user. Not an issue. I'm glad for this. I can use data when the guy standing next to me with an AT&T Android phone gets "no network" messages. Other than those two phone companies the others are just niche players.
Physical Size
Before my Thunderbolt I had an Incredible. I considered the Incredible the perfect size. Light, thin and fit well in the shirt pocket. Never, I said, would I go to the massively large phone. Then I got a Thunderbolt. I can't imagine what I was thinking. I was a size-bigot fool. The size of the Thunderbolt is fabulous. Yes, it's a tad heavier than the Incredible but it feels well in the hand and the screen size is perfect. I was one of those who made a brash statement without the experience to go with it. Now that I've have experience with both a small phone and a large phone I'll never go back to the small screen again. I say, for those of you with large screen phobias, say nothing until you've experienced it for a week or two. I bet you'll change your mind.

Cheetohz said:
Pros
(...)
Nexus. Will be maintained by google, not the carrier.
Screen. Native 720p 4.65", etc...
ICS
1.2Ghz Dual Core
Cons
Non expandable storage
Mixed Opinions
Lack of Gorilla Glass. Will have another brand of unknown quality.
Outdated GPU. I put this in mixed opinions as many people speculate that this hardware was hand picked by the makers of android, and has already proven to handle anything thrown at it.
Lack of physical buttons. Really depends on the user. I personally like where they are going with this.
Exclusiveness. There are many rumors, and this will be moved or deleted when we know more. I personally find it to be a con if it is truly exclusive to Verizon, as the more carriers offer this, the more people will get there hands on it, hence more developers will flock to this phone.
Price. Currently we only have an unofficial price for the international version, which I don't see any complaints for.
Please feel free to post what you think should be added or moved on this list.
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OK. I agree with all of this.
Nexus line is great, it can overwhelm phones from 2 generations ahead.
The screen resolution is great too. Pentile doesn't even matter, the resolution almost omits its presence.
ICS. Much smoother. Much more customization. Much more versatile and beautiful.
The CPU it more than enough. People are *****ing about "OH ****! Only 1.2GHz?!", but really, that's way more than enough, unless you're a benchmark bug. "Yo! I got a phone that already runs everything great, but I just want a better one because I want 10k Quadrant points...! Fuuuuuu!"
When you say "Non-Expandable Storage", no phone has that. Even SD compatible phones are limited to xGB size SD card maximum. For example, the RAZR will have a maximum of 48 GB because 16 internal + 32 SD Maximum = 48. And also, 32 GB of super fast NAND memory is great. I don't know what you want to ***** about. You wanna have super HD videos and/or photos? Just keep putting them on your PC instead of mass storing them on your phone without need.
The lack of Gorilla Glass is well put under Mixed Opinions, since it might mean something BETTER than Gorilla Glass. The Nexus S had a very very resistive glass technology/material.
The outdated GPU: Did anyone prove that this GPU is outdated? In terms of sufficient performance for Android platform? Did anyone show that? I don't think so. And you don't too. I think people are just *****ing about it the same way I explained it for the CPU.
Lack of physical buttons: I think this is an element that Google decided to have because it can enable much much more creativity. I believe that CM team or Google itself will unlock a way of changing the button icon, or even add or remove buttons. I think it is really great, and it probably also cuts down a bit on prices since physical buttons are basically a touch-capable screen/membrane for each button, which would possibly cost a little bit instead of making a little bigger screen for buttons.
Exclusiveness: Not a problem in my country, I believe, so, no comments here.
Price: Pretty much unknown, but I'm expecting a 500 ~ 600€ range (700 ~ 800$).

AllGamer said:
i've mixed opinions about the CPU
it's only 1.2 Ghz
looking forward to see how it fares against Exynos 1.2 Ghz & Qualcomms 1.5 Ghz
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A 1.2 dual-core exynos is better than a 1.5 dual-core qualcomm. And a brand new OMAP 4460 1.2 dual-core is at the very least equaled to, if not better than, the 1.5 qualcomm as snapdragon's are probably the lesser performing of processors available
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JCopernicus said:
-con: android.
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What? GTFO and get a gay iphone then.
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kidserious said:
A 1.2 dual-core exynos is better than a 1.5 dual-core qualcomm. And a brand new OMAP 4460 1.2 dual-core is at the very least equaled to, if not better than, the 1.5 qualcomm as snapdragon's are probably the lesser performing of processors available
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DITTO!!! WTF are folks complaining about with this type of hardware being outdated??? Huh??? Outdated??? We're talking about 1.2 dual-core proc that will be fitt'in in something that can put in your front shirt pocket, along with a multi-touch screen, and enough memory that you wouldn't be able to shake a stick at!
Anyway, i'm sure enough looking for the 32gb version.

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What? GTFO and get a gay iphone then.
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You got trolled, son.
Anyway!
Pros:
- ICS
- Google supported
- LTE-capable
- NFC
Cons:
- Pentile
- Weak GPU

Pros-
Just about everything not listed as con.
Cons-
No pricing or availability word yet !!!!!!!
Bezel size of top and bottom and thickness. Would have liked to have seen something pushing limits for the Nexus line.
Weak GPU - Scares the crap out of me in terms of GUI.
Not clear what the DAC is.
AMOLED will likely have bluish tints on white and push reds.
Vid clips on YT seem to show inconsistent framerate in HD videos. I hate choppiness and I get this weird feeling the UI and HD videos will simply not be as smooth as they should be.

Griffrez said:
The outdated GPU: Did anyone prove that this GPU is outdated? In terms of sufficient performance for Android platform? Did anyone show that? I don't think so. And you don't too. I think people are just *****ing about it the same way I explained it for the CPU.
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No one has to 'prove' the gpu is outdated, the specs and how long its been around (since 2007) already prove that.
The gpu in the OMAP 4460 is definitely slower than the mali 400 in the exynos, as well as the A5 in the iPhone4S.
Id wager its on par, or maybe even slightly slower than the qualcomm in my tmobile galaxy SII.
Its not the end of the world, and i have no doubt the nexus is gonna be a powerful device, but its not Samsungs flagship.
Samsung is saving the 1.5ghz exynos and other goodies for the next round of battle against the iPhone5 it looks like

vash1053 said:
You got trolled, son.
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Lol, yea maybe. However, I would rather get trolled than leave a potential douchebag comment/post unaddressed.
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New Wave of Android Phones are ironic

Yes, this is an angry rant but this needs to be done.
After this forum has to endure relentless abuse from people about certain hardware decisions surrounding Windows Phone, I find it more than mildly amusing that these 3 flagship phones:
HTC One X - 4.7" Quad Core 1.5GHz 8MP
HTC One XL - 4.7" Dual Core 1.5GHz LTE 8MP
HTC One S - 4.3" Dual Core 1.5GHz 8MP
All have one thing in common: No SD Card Slot.
And the gorgeous Sony Xperia U/P phones are using android-laughable, mere Dual Core 1GHz "old" chips in 2012.
That being said, I love the direction new Sony Mobile is going in. Eye-catching phones with reasonable specs. Nothing overboard like 4.7" Quad Core. All we hear in here is specs specs specs, yet we are seeing a regression in certain areas among specific phones in the Android world. If I had a dollar for everytime I heard someone say Windows Phone is crap because 16GB no SD card slot is not going to be enough I would be retired.
What do Windows Phones need?
CPU: Modest Dual Core CPU only for the accompanying GPU to play nice games.
Handsets: More handsets on more carriers, and more nice ones like the Lumia 800/900. Would love to see Sony get into the Windows Phone game but that will not happen until Apple starts suing them too. And hey, if the S is popular enough that may happen.
Apps: More apps.
And that is it. Because a fantastic looking phone that is stable, smooth, has great battery life, and a huge library of apps is the recipe for success.
end rant.

I don't pay any of that junk attention, it's usually always the same people anyway....they'll see a shiny, new Android phone and the first thing they do is say "see, WP doesn't have this..it's a failure..". I read something the other day that made me literally laugh out loud: they said the"Windows fanboys" would change their tune about multiple cores...if the phone already comes with it, why wouldn't it be supported!?! I have repeatedly said I own an Evo 3D and an HD7, one has a single core processor, the other, a dual core processor...guess which one is smoother?
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Dr.8820 said:
I don't pay any of that junk attention, it's usually always the same people anyway....they'll see a shiny, new Android phone and the first thing they do is say "see, WP doesn't have this..it's a failure..". I read something the other day that made me literally laugh out loud: they said the"Windows fanboys" would change their tune about multiple cores...if the phone already comes with it, why wouldn't it be supported!?! I have repeatedly said I own an Evo 3D and an HD7, one has a single core processor, the other, a dual core processor...guess which one is smoother?
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Well, sometimes it is hard to ignore the junk when you read it everyday. A large part of the noise went away when bans were handed out.
But what is wrong with us all when specs matter regardless of how useable those specs are? I am beyond curious to see what battery life they 4.7" ultrasharp, ultracore phones are going to have and how people will be able to justify it.
I like my car fast, but I do not think its acceptable if I need to refuel constantly and carry around a fuel cannister in my trunk cuz the gas mileage sucks.

I agree, that's why I lol. ..some folks you just can't please: a person posted that you can't download mp3s over the air with WP, I said you can with the right app ( I use the full version of easyring ), they then complained that it wasn't free like Android lol...
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I pretty much silenced the entire quadcore android leaks...what MS needs to do thread when I posted 2 sources stating that multi cores were coming. I know N8ter got banned and he was the biggest one, who else got banned?

prohibido_por_la_ley said:
I pretty much silenced the entire quadcore android leaks...what MS needs to do thread when I posted 2 sources stating that multi cores were coming. I know N8ter got banned and he was the biggest one, who else got banned?
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Wow, N8ter got banned? I guess i been away for a while. I stopped paying attention to XDA for a while, because of him & a few others.
Ok, back on topic. Yeah, these specs do seem a little stupid, but this is even on WP7. I must say that the OEM's need to make better devices & give better choices on memory size. At least give a few versions; 8/16/32 GB. Not force everyone to one size. 16 GB is good enough for me for now, but I can see how some people could use more. 8 GB is just laughable IMO for that matter, but some people just don't need that much space I guess.

He forgot to mention they will be available in 16 32, and I think 64 gb variations.

nicksti said:
Well, sometimes it is hard to ignore the junk when you read it everyday. A large part of the noise went away when bans were handed out.
But what is wrong with us all when specs matter regardless of how useable those specs are? I am beyond curious to see what battery life they 4.7" ultrasharp, ultracore phones are going to have and how people will be able to justify it.
I like my car fast, but I do not think its acceptable if I need to refuel constantly and carry around a fuel cannister in my trunk cuz the gas mileage sucks.
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I have to agree with this. I disappeared because of the constant Android fanfare here and the lack of action by the moderators. I had to constantly ***** about it in PM to them because they would hand out a warning to me and allow them to continue ruining the experience here.
I honestly don't think that these specs going on in the mobile world are going to last though. It's very reminiscent of the power wars with PCs a few years back. Ultimately, efficiency won out and not "omg I have 7ghz." And I think you're seeing that with Windows 8, where no new specs are required. We're seeing that with Windows Phone - where an older snapdragon feels like a newly released processor.
I'm honestly happy with my HD7, I have been since day one. The OS, the apps, and the experience has done nothing but improve every single day. With the exception of HTCs HORRIBLE driver release and bugs, it has been as solid as solid can be.
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He forgot to mention they will be available in 16 32, and I think 64 gb variations.
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You guys know how I feel about this. I one of the big supporters of the cloud, pandora, zune pass, etc when it comes to music. While I would love a little more space, I have a boat load of music on my phone, I stream even more, and I have 7gb left after a year and a half lol.

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He forgot to mention they will be available in 16 32, and I think 64 gb variations.
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Forgot? The 4.3" Samsung Focus S comes in 16/32GB options as well in the same phone. The HTC One S 4.3" is 16GB. So I need to get a 4.7" phone in order to enjoy 32GB if I want an HTC One? Maybe that will change but as far as I see there are no variations.
But to be balanced I agree phones should come in 16/32GB variations. The Cloud is not a good answer for why only 8GB.

This is hilarious!
It takes android phones 4 cores to get near the smooth experience windows phone offers with only one core.

1unu1 said:
This is hilarious!
It takes android phones 4 cores to get near the smooth experience windows phone offers with only one core.
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Since this General forum is so quiet recently,proves that the reason I remained silence is correct due to the typical WP7 fans like above?
if bashing android like you said making you happy,then just do it.
just want to say single core android can run as smooth as WP7 when it only build to run easy stuffs like on WP7.
Will back to my silent state again...think and experience always make you better....

I think the forum is generally silent because you don't spend time tinkering with WP, it works. My point (and I think the Op's) is that having multiple cores on a cellphone doesn't guarantee a speedy user experience. No matter how much we go back and forth, some people can't accept that there are a select few that actually enjoy their phones without worrying what the other guys are doing .
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I think the forum is generally silent because you don't spend time tinkering with WP, it works. My point (and I think the Op's) is that having multiple cores on a cellphone doesn't guarantee a speedy user experience. No matter how much we go back and forth, some people can't accept that there are a select few that actually enjoy their phones without worrying what the other guys are doing .
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I'm not sure the op had a point. It just seemed like the loling about certain new android phones having undesirable attributes. It seemed more about the sd card than the cores, anyway.
If I understand correctly, SD cards are being designed this way so that both system and user memory are combined into one; that way, there's no longer a hard system app limit, aside from of course the SD capacity. (I could be completely off.)
But all in all, what's the point of a thread on this? If you consider lack of SD card to be a dealbreaker like the people in the OP supposedly did, then yes, you won't be buying the One X. So what? Buy something else. Perhaps if there'd been a system change that made Android no longer support SD cards, then it'd be amusingly ironic. But you're talking about 3 phones here..

Not really anything new since the past two nexus phones haven't had SD slots, but it's definitely not going to help HTC with sales. Personally, I won't even consider buying a phone unless it has expandable storage. I passed on the Palm Pre back in the day for that very reason even though at the time it was the nicest phone Sprint had and I was stuck with a three year old Sanyo dumbphone.
It's a shame OEMs are following in Apple's footsteps with regard to non-expandable storage (unless you buy a whole new device for more money) and none removable batteries.
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This is hilarious!
It takes android phones 4 cores to get near the smooth experience windows phone offers with only one core.
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Not really on topic to this fora, but this being XDA we should at least try to keep information on here accurate.
It's a very common misconception that hardware will be able to fix Android's stuttering when it's a software issue. It comes down to the fact that Google hasn't optimized the Linux kernel for Mobile Devices instead of PCs. It doesn't give priority to the UI with CPU usage, so if something else wants CPU time the UI performance will suffer. Not to mention a thread can only run on one CPU so the other cores would just sit idle regardless. Hardware rendering has also always been available, but due to it's overhead there are times when it can actually hinder performance.
The article below deals primarily with Android, but the underlying issues apply to pretty much all operating systems.
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s

thebobp said:
I'm not sure the op had a point. It just seemed like the loling about certain new android phones having undesirable attributes. It seemed more about the sd card than the cores, anyway.
If I understand correctly, SD cards are being designed this way so that both system and user memory are combined into one; that way, there's no longer a hard system app limit, aside from of course the SD capacity. (I could be completely off.)
But all in all, what's the point of a thread on this? If you consider lack of SD card to be a dealbreaker like the people in the OP supposedly did, then yes, you won't be buying the One X. So what? Buy something else. Perhaps if there'd been a system change that made Android no longer support SD cards, then it'd be amusingly ironic. But you're talking about 3 phones here..
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what he's trying to say is that all the Android fanboys come in here and poke fun at and chant failure to all the WP phones that don't have removable storage and that now has come back at them with the newer android phones not having removable storage where as the WP8 phones will.

prohibido_por_la_ley said:
what he's trying to say is that all the Android fanboys come in here and poke fun at and chant failure to all the WP phones that don't have removable storage and that now has come back at them with the newer android phones not having removable storage where as the WP8 phones will.
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Three new android phones don't have removable storage, yes, I get that. So what? There are so many other new devices that, if an android fanboy don't want the One X, he don't have to get it. Saying "haha you can't get these particular devices" isn't actually saying anything, when the dissers have a varied enough ecosystem to draw upon. Maybe if they were all HTC fans (but HTC isn't even the #1 seller anymore, so..)

nicksti said:
Yes, this is an angry rant but this needs to be done.
After this forum has to endure relentless abuse from people about certain hardware decisions surrounding Windows Phone, I find it more than mildly amusing that these 3 flagship phones:
HTC One X - 4.7" Quad Core 1.5GHz 8MP
HTC One XL - 4.7" Dual Core 1.5GHz LTE 8MP
HTC One S - 4.3" Dual Core 1.5GHz 8MP
All have one thing in common: No SD Card Slot.
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I am perfectly fine if an android phone doesn't have a SD card slot. Those are on the big side of the big-small continuum. I don't think I would want a phone without a micro SD card slot unless it was a cheap and small phone. Even then, I don't know if I would do one without a micro SD card slot. Of it is cheap, the it probably won't have much in the way of storage space.
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drkfngthdragnlrd said:
Wow, N8ter got banned? I guess i been away for a while. I stopped paying attention to XDA for a while, because of him & a few others.
Ok, back on topic. Yeah, these specs do seem a little stupid, but this is even on WP7. I must say that the OEM's need to make better devices & give better choices on memory size. At least give a few versions; 8/16/32 GB. Not force everyone to one size. 16 GB is good enough for me for now, but I can see how some people could use more. 8 GB is just laughable IMO for that matter, but some people just don't need that much space I guess.
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Wow... i haven't paid any attention to that guy for awhile!
But yeah... OEM is thinking that customer will not need more than 16GB of data which is wrong. And they are thinking that people would not want laggy performance, so they don't use the SD Card to prevent this.
That is what i think.
But, the problem with this, i have said many times , that people will never know that Windows Phone run smoother in One Core only, they will still believe in the number and the mouth of the representative. "2 Cores will be better than 1, 2 is bigger than 1" .
Same Sh!t, Different Day. (S.S.D.D)

sylau90 said:
Since this General forum is so quiet recently,proves that the reason I remained silence is correct due to the typical WP7 fans like above?
if bashing android like you said making you happy,then just do it.
just want to say single core android can run as smooth as WP7 when it only build to run easy stuffs like on WP7.
Will back to my silent state again...think and experience always make you better....
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Same reason I stopped posting in here.
I'm on single core and having a extremely smooth experience.
Its also extremely annoying not having removable storage as Nicksi pointed out. That and the non removable batteries are big issue.
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What windows needs is more apps Had a windows phone for a while so many of the apps arent updated (like angry birds)