Thought this might be interesting if I go by things I read on different threads.
This won't be the case but let's assume you can get any phone on any carrier and price isn't an issue.
How would you pick your next phone?
I allowed for multiple choice but try not to vote for 6 out of 8 or this won't teach us anything specific. And if you picked "Other", what did you have in mind?
Other: gyroscope support and > 1 GHz processor
My most important features: Screen size (less than 4"), Camera (high quality with dual led), and something not there build quality.
I am pretty much all in for the Nokia 800. Second choice is the Samsung Omnia W.
For me there has to be a hardware keyboard - I just hate capacitive touch keyboards.
Price, can't be more than $100 with no contract. And of course, significantly better than my LG Quantum, otherwise I have no reason to upgrade.
I LOVE massive phones, I went from my HD2, to an HD7, and if God would answer my prayers, the Titan would come to T-Mobile, though, soon enough it won't matter as I'm hoping we become AT&T. So, I voted for FFC since it's already a given to me that I'm going for a big phone. Screen type would probably be a close second for me, as I like the HD7 screen, but really wish it were a higher quality, but hey, I'm asking to be spoiled now, right?
It's odd to see one user out of two ready to buy a phone on its brand alone
I personally go for what I find better overall regardless of the OEM.
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Price, can't be more than $100 with no contract. And of course, significantly better than my LG Quantum, otherwise I have no reason to upgrade.
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Yeah I guessed price would come up for many people as well as choice given by the carrier which is why I said in the first post regardless of price and availability
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It's odd to see one user out of two ready to buy a phone on its brand alone
I personally go for what I find better overall regardless of the OEM.
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I personally love HTC, I know I'm probably in the current minority, for some odd reason as they're the only phones to consistently update without an issue, but Nokia is also winning over my heart.
I really want my Mozart to be my last HTC ever. But it's been my desire to abandon them since like 2005, and I still was forced to buy their stuff because others were mostly even worse.
In your list, it goes like this: screen less than 4", 16GB minimum (64 preferred), usable camera, 1500+ mAH battery. No pentile crap. Looks are also kind of important, but I can live with something less than stellar.
The leaks and announcements really make me sad, I don't see anything really attractive. SeaRay is almost there but it looks like it'll come with PenTile, so it's most probably a no go...
I'm with FiyaFleye, I like HTC and and have seen problems that would affect with other OEMS that I don't have with my Fuze. Nokia I have no idea on that but haven't had one in 4 yrs and it was a dumbphone. However not willing to wait another 3 months+ for them either. I would like a hardware keyboard with a smaller screen would be first choice, or go with a big screen so I can type well. Extra nick nacks are always a plus if they are usable, and 1 gig > processor for some future app usage is good too.
This list would have been so much easier in Aug before they started announcing phones, I'm just waiting for mine to come to the USA.
I'd love to get my hands on a Nokia WP7 phone, but that could take a while and the HTC Titan is kinda expensive over here.
I'll prolly just get a Samsung Omnia W if I get too impatient, really wanna see what the better CPU/GPU can do for my emulator.
Also I'd really like to see some 32GB storage phones, 8GB is just killing me on my Trophy.
1. Storage, it must be at least 32gb
2. Nokia
I will only consider getting a phone that isn't a nokia if the storage space is 32gb or above (and nokia only offer 16gb variants).
If storage space doesn't improve by the end of the year I will probably jump ship to android, even though I prefer Windows Phone my music collection is a must for me.
I'm hoping *fingers crossed* that the Nokia 800 will come in 16gb and 64gb variants like the N9 and thus will be my next phone (in blue )
Manufacturer is gonna come into play for my next WP7. IE i'm not having another Samsung phone.
I went with screen size. 3.5" ish would be good. Also, want good battery life. At least a 1500mah battery.
Funny how so few people picked FF Camera when it's supposed to be an epic fail not to have it since Apple "invented" video chat
I would have bought that Samsung Omnia 7 W like today if it came with 16 GB...
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1. Storage...at least 32 GB
3. Camera quality
3. Screen quality
I don't know any one that actually uses the FFC...nothing but a gimmick.
I´m asking myself if I need a new WP in general...
My OMNIA 7 has all features I use daily (less DLNA and skype support).
So today I took a look at the new HTC devices:
1. HTC Omega is too small.
2. HTC Titan is too big for my taste.
The display is much better than the HD7 display but not even better than the OMNIA 7 display. Also the general quality of the phone is very good: less plastic parts and good working hardware buttons (compared with the HD7).
Do I need a HTC Titan 4.7" notebook in my pocket ? I don´t think so.
The upcoming OMNIA W will only have 8 GB, maybe 16GB... is this what I need ? I don´t think so either.
A general question is: Do I really need a FF cam ? How many videocalls I made in the past ? I only made normal voip calls...
I would say the only hope is that the NOKIA Empire strikes back... and I don´t think that the new devices will have more than 16 GB.
I hope that I´m wrong, but I think it´s better to wait 3 or 4 month before buying a new WP.
Regards
contable
I never thought I'd say this, but camera is my #1. Since everyone seems to be pinching pennies these days and both of my old 5MP point-and-shoots are just crappy, my phone has become my #1 camera for both stills and video. I remember when cameras first came out on cell phones and I was thinking, "why?" All that, and baby is now 12 weeks old, so I'm taking pictures like crazy!
Screen size is a close second. I doubt I could ever go smaller than my 4" Focus screen at this point.
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I am wondering if any manufacturers are going to be different anytime soon? I am hoping that by July we will see a little "fragmentation" i.e. we have tegra 2 phone with 32GB data and a SAMOLED screen.
Or is chassis 1 very, very strict, that we are only going to see specs x.
well MS has set all minimum specs, but I'm guessing that for things like CPU, MS should define what manufacturers can use as they're all too scared to just put any chip in without causing damage to the WP image. Most of the variations at present can really come from the camera, on board memory (and sd slot), and the screen type. Everything else you'll find to be quite similar at this stage, but hopefully MS defines the other 2 chassis type so that more variations can come about.
Meh, its annoying that the closest to what I want is a slider.
I plan on never having a slider again after seeing pretty much every person who owned a slider(including me) have it break. Conditions don't seem to suit sliders much.
16GB, 4" AMOLED screen, SD slot and audio quality coming out of the phone that is just as good the the Zune HD's.
Omnia 7 just misses it by no SD slot, 16GB almost impossible to get in SA, and the audio out seems to have missed all the low bass?!
I use quality headphones + an amp, or I plug my phone into my speaker system or my car. I will notice those frequencies...
Though one thing I do not care for, definately goes to speaker quality, neer really cared about that.
Agree! if just ONE manufacture put their whole effort into 1 of their WP7 phones, it would wipe the floor with the competition and give us all an obvious choice when it comes to selecting a wp7 phone. instead, the choice is difficult and they are technically no better than the 18 month old HD2 if just one of these new phones had for example a front facing camera, 32gb nand memory or more... ive no doubt it would be everyones pick.
I think the Samsung Omnia is the best device, however its a shame that it only comes with 8GB memory and no way to expand it.
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I think the Samsung Omnia is the best device, however its a shame that it only comes with 8GB memory and no way to expand it.
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That's why the Venue Pro is better
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That's why the Venue Pro is better
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I love this phone all except for slider if it was as slim as the HD7 I would not hesitate in getting one. The 4.1 AMOLED screen is just right and 16 GB memory will get me buy for now.
if i was patient enough i probably wuld have got the venue pro if it has 16gb
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I love this phone all except for slider if it was as slim as the HD7 I would not hesitate in getting one. The 4.1 super AMOLED screen is just right and 16 GB memory will get me buy for now.
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It's AMOLED without "Super". AFAIK, only Samsung phones have S-AMOLED display.
The chassis only stated minimums... The OEMS aren't building more expensive devices because they don't have to. When the OS has picked up and is selling more, then you'll see the superphones (The first Android phone was not an Evo)
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It's AMOLED without "Super". AFAIK, only Samsung phones have S-AMOLED display.
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Sorry my mistake.[Fixed] I was just reading up on the difference and the super looks a fair bit better again.
Hi
I am sure i saw that htc wer bringing out a keyboard operated wm7 phone by christmas
thought it was touch pro7 or similar
but now i cant find any info on it
anyone any clue on the name and when its being released
thanks
Its the Pro7.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/7pro/specification.html
Don't know where you are located. But if you're in the US, its only been announced as a Sprint release so far, and scheduled for sometime first half of 2011. The interwebs also says that Europe is getting it first half of 2011.
As per the specs;
Internal storage: 8 GB
? WTF!!!!!???? 8 GB? What am I supposed to do with that? Jesus Christ HTC, you just can't seem to get anything right these days. First you come out that that ridiculous HTC Surround and now this? And after all these years you still can't include a decent camera with your phones?
Seriously, is it me or does it seem like HTC is always one step behind the competition?
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As per the specs;
Internal storage: 8 GB
? WTF!!!!!???? 8 GB? What am I supposed to do with that? Jesus Christ HTC, you just can't seem to get anything right these days. First you come out that that ridiculous HTC Surround and now this? And after all these years you still can't include a decent camera with your phones?
Seriously, is it me or does it seem like HTC is always one step behind the competition?
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Its completely unclear to me whether you are complaining about too much on-board memory, or not enough. The Droid 2 has the exact same, 8GB, the Samsung Captivate has 16 GB. The iPhone 4 has up to 32GB, but not expandable, of course.
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Its completely unclear to me whether you are complaining about too much on-board memory, or not enough. The Droid 2 has the exact same, 8GB, the Samsung Captivate has 16 GB. The iPhone 4 has up to 32GB, but not expandable, of course.
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8gb is not adequate. Why does the HD7 have 16gb and this only 8?
Good question. HTC seems to be marketing the HD7 as more of a media smartphone due to its larger screen, so the focus seems to be on playing videos and the ability to record 720p video. Where the Pro7 seems to be marketed as a work device, where one might not need the increased storage. But I'm just guessing.
I agree that more storage is better, and flash memory is cheap nowadays. Iwould think it would probably only cost HTC a couple bucks to increase the storage memory on the Pro7 to 16GB.
Cheers for that
that is indeed the model
contract ends in March so that could work for me!!
anyone seen some decent reviews?
I wonder if there are problems with this model as all the blurb said it would be relaed before christmas in the UK
HTC 7 Mozart
Hi all
My last phone was the TP2. I am in the UK so didn't want to wait six months or more for a WP7 phone with a hardware keyboard. In the end I went for the HTC 7 Mozart on Orange UK.
I was very concerned about how I would get on with a phone with no hardware keyboard. The answer is, very well. The keyboard is light years ahead of anything I ever used on WM6.5 and I am able to type almost as quickly and accurately as I did on the TP2 in just a few weeks of use.
The only disadvantage is that with the keyboard displayed (in landscape) you generally only get two to three lines of text to look at.
Overall I am very happy with the HTC 7 Mozart and it does have an 8MP camera with Xenon flash.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
seams like they keep decreasing the screen sizes...HD2 4.3...Surround was like 3.8...I think...now 3.6...for this guy...going backwards...and the same with the memory thing...they finally offer about 8GB of internal...but now no option to expand on that...sounds like backwards development.
What would you like to see in the next HTC Phone? Choose? And also post what you would like to see and have.
Good hardware. I.e., a camera sensor that doesn't suck, use of NAND rather than SD card for storage, screens which doesn't look washed out.
HTC has a lot of stepping up to do for me to consider another device from them. I was pretty happy with my HD2, but the HD7 I initially picked up went back to the store real quick. In the end I ended up with the Omnia 7 from Samsung instead.
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I switched for the first time from HTC, couldn't accept the Surround. Get rid of that rediculous speaker setup and replace it with their great keyboard. At least a 4.3" screen equal to the Super AMOLED of the Samsung Focus, maximum amount of internal memory (32GB would be fine with me), HDMI port.
I would vote for 32GB+ NAND flash for sure, all other things aren't important as far as I'm concerned.
More importantly, I'd like to see more than one next HTC WP7 phone (just as Samsung phones, and phones from other OEMs).
Because at this point of time, sales numbers for the next few quarters will determine the fate of WP7. And without phones you won't get those numbers. None of the OEMs is or will be capable of making just one phone that'll drive the OS forward.
No matter how much MS will talk about "sales aren't important" and "we're in it for the long haul", they are facing lots of pressure from investors, this isn't the time of XBox launch. Unlike many, I don't think that the launch was a failure (getting 2% of smartphone sales is awesome with so few devices and on half the carriers), but MS will need to ramp it up aggressively, and it can't be done by ads alone no matter how much they spend.
That there are no leaks with MWC looming is troubling.
Tegra 2, lots of NAND, 4" SLCD.
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Agreed. During the initial launch we knew about pretty much every phone that was going to be released by this point. The only thing I've seen this time around is that Asus phone.
As for what I'd want in the next phone, physical buttons and half-decent build quality.
Microsoft knows that it has a major uphill battle. Most phone sales are due to word of mouth (a friend has one and loves/hates it) over TV ads. Windows Mobile had a bad rap when compared to Android and the iPhoney, due to its lack of upgrades.
Microsoft needs to blow the lid off this, work with providers to make KICK ASS phones that people want for fair prices.
As for HTC phones, anything over a 4.3" display is getting a little too big (don't people keep their phones in their pockets ?)for a phone. This is getting into the tablet area but, if there is NO QWERTY keyboard, the display MUST be at least 4"
Fast, "great quality, good sized display", modern tech (DLNA, FM, A-GPS, NFC...etc), QWERTY keyboard with a small form factor. If HTC has it, great, if someone else, maybe then it's for me.
I was loyal to HTC for a while but, I have had some crappy phones, so I am open to try others to see how good they are.
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I was loyal to HTC for a while but, I have had some crappy phones, so I am open to try others to see how good they are.
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The great thing about WP7 is that it doesn't really matter (shhh, don't tell OEMs). It makes a huge difference. My Mozart is the first HTC phone I've had that doesn't need a new ROM. It's marvellous what no OEM software does to a phone.
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The great thing about WP7 is that it doesn't really matter (shhh, don't tell OEMs). It makes a huge difference. My Mozart is the first HTC phone I've had that doesn't need a new ROM. It's marvellous what no OEM software does to a phone.
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Was not talking about Software, I was talking about hardware (I had 12 XV6800s...YES, 12, because they would always break)
A decent fast keyboard device please!!!!!
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A decent fast keyboard device please!!!!!
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let me drop a nice link for you then
http://www.htc.com/www/product/7pro/overview.html
To the OP:
You should change the QuadBand World Phone to Pentaband 3G. That's what should become the new standard for high end phones at this point.
I want dual core processor, 1gb RAM, better camera sensor/software and a hardware keyboard in a device with a 4" SLCD. Maybe one with LTE support
Problem HTC?
1. higher class of hardware (screen, speaker...)
2. a real IO port for using external addons (TV-out, IR remote control, bio sensors...)
Let's see, we have:
1) Samsung Focus S announced by AT&T
2) Samsung Focus Flash announced by AT&T
3) Samsung Omnia 7 S (made up name) leaked by the FCC
All these seem to sport Super AMOLED screens which is great. We do need information on availability and storage options but the Focus S sounds very promising. Today I'm much more likely to buy a Samsung Mango phone over a HTC.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-SGH-i708-hits-the-FCC-a-WP-Mango-remake-of-the-Omnia-7_id21955
http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/12/samsung-focus-focus-flash-headed-att-windows-phone-7-mango-on-board/
Focus or go home, pretty much. It's the best device confirmed to be coming out now.
4.3" SA+ screen @ WVGA is a lot more bearable than 4.7" SLCD @ WVGA. 1.4 GHz almost as good as 1.5. It has a 32 GB Option IIRC. Samsung tends to use NAND in their phones, so I'm hoping for that. Decent cameras, and the sound and cell radio are almost guaranteed to be better than HTC devices.
Too bad AT&T axed Unlimited Data. That's a showstopper for me, and I'm guessing lots of other people.
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Focus or go home, pretty much. It's the best device confirmed to be coming out now.
4.3" SA+ screen @ WVGA is a lot more bearable than 4.7" SLCD @ WVGA. 1.4 GHz almost as good as 1.5. It has a 32 GB Option IIRC. Samsung tends to use NAND in their phones, so I'm hoping for that. Decent cameras, and the sound and cell radio are almost guaranteed to be better than HTC devices.
Too bad AT&T axed Unlimited Data. That's a showstopper for me, and I'm guessing lots of other people.
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Super excited for the Focus S, assuming at least 24 GB will be available. Now, let's see what else will be coming out around that time...
@N8ter where did you get that 32GB info? Storage hasn't been mentioned. I hope it's a Worldwide phone unlike the first Focus.
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It's heresay. I have seen it mentioned by a few people at different sites. Sorry. That's why I put the "IIRC" part It's questionable.
If it has no 32GB option it'll be dead to me.
I'll buy a new iPod instead. Really, this is getting ridiculous.
I wonder if the new iPhone will have a 4" screen...
I spent about 2 grand on phones in 2010-2011. I'll be frugal for the next few years, so whatever phone I get in the next 1-3 months well... I'll just take a contract out cause I won't be giving anything else a try.
They better knock this **** out of the ballpark. Really, they're running out of chances and it's not like the issue of low storage in the devices wasn't a hot topic following the release of the 1st gen WP7 devices...
Though it voids the warranty WP7 are not hard to upgrade the memory. i'm being alittle hypocritical pointing this out, consdiering I bought a 32gb DVP when I could saved $100 getting a cheaper one with lower storage and upgrading. Prior to the DVP comingto AT&T I also got an HTC surround over the LG b/c of storage, though I prefer physical keyboards.
It depends on what WP7 device you have. It's not easy to upgrade the storage on an HD7. There is no user-accessible SD Card Slot. You literally have to open some of these phones up to get at those slots. Lots of devices have tape inside that clearly indicates if teh phone has been opened up. Some of them have stuff in the screws that makes it obvious if you even stuck a screwdriver in them, nevermind opened it up, and they'll void your warranty if that's been tampered with (they won't even touch it, they'll just say you're on your own - I know people this has happened to).
That's like saying it's not hard to remove the battery from an iPhone, in many cases.
$100 to go from 15 to 32G when you can be absolutely assured that it will work correctly is worth it. Many of us would have paid that, but we didn't get the choice - at all.
The DVP didn't have a 32G option until many months after it was released. For the first 6 months or so all Dell Had were 8 and 16 GB options.
Plus that device only has 256MB RAM, IIRC, which is a showstopper for me. Not to mention the camera on it is beyond terrible.
No. The DVP has 512 but the early tmo ones had a bug where the system only read half of the memory.
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This time around I'm a little undecided. I'm leaning towards the Focus S, but I would consider the Titan too. I would like to have a physical keyboard as well, but it seems all of the Mango devices aren't available with that option. I guess I might hold out for a little while, but I would like to upgrade before the end of the year.
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No. The DVP has 512 but the early tmo ones had a bug where the system only read half of the memory.
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Good to hear. Thanks for correcting that.
The Omnia W has been officially announced today. If anyone can find full specs, please post them
http://wmpoweruser.com/new-samsung-windows-phone-device-omnia-w-announced/
http://asia.cnet.com/crave/samsung-announces-wp7-omnia-w-62211163.htm
Here are the specs: http://sammyhub.com/2011/09/26/samsung-announces-mango-os-running-omnia-w/
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No SAMOLED+ and just a 3.7" screen...disappointing.
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No SAMOLED+ and just a 3.7" screen...disappointing.
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Supposedly it has lower specs so that it is priced competitively, makes total sense to me since they're already releasing the Focus S with SAMOLED+ and a 4.3" screen.
Jesus, these announcements are going to turn me into a WP7 hater soon.
Just what's wrong with these OEMs? Why in the world do they equate high end with oversized screens?
I'm don't want to go any bigger than 4", but 8GB of storage and PenTile? Screw it.
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It depends on what WP7 device you have. It's not easy to upgrade the storage on an HD7. There is no user-accessible SD Card Slot. You literally have to open some of these phones up to get at those slots. Lots of devices have tape inside that clearly indicates if teh phone has been opened up. Some of them have stuff in the screws that makes it obvious if you even stuck a screwdriver in them, nevermind opened it up, and they'll void your warranty if that's been tampered with (they won't even touch it, they'll just say you're on your own - I know people this has happened to).
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There's a pretty easy to follow guide to change the HD7's SD Card without voiding warranty. Don't have to take out the screw with the void warranty sticker on it & can move the tape out of the way pretty easily. That being said, never done it, because of the compatibility issues with SD Cards & WP7.
http://m.gizmodo.com/5857409/nokia-lumia-800-lightning-review-the-unattainable-foreign-beauty
Makes me want to hunt one down. Group buy anyone?
I would buy, easily. Shame it's not selling here, and if I buy from another country, when it arrives I would have to pay 100% of tax.
I don't get this preconceived ideas on some media outlets. Why "from Gizmodo of all places"? Maybe you only read some website because you think they're biased but I try to read a bit from all of them. For information this is how Gizmodo reviewed things before this phone:
- Zune HD: they loved it and wished it was a phone
- WP7: they loved that Zune HD turned into a phone, loved the OS, only hoped MS would update it quickly
- Mango: they loved it, just what they wanted from WP7
So really when you say "from Gizmodo of all places" you must really think they're just Apple fanboys who hate everything else when actually recent history proved they're not.
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The Lumia 800 is by far the best Windows Phone you can buy.
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If it is better than the HTC Titan then it is some phone.
This is the kind of statement that always makes me question integrity (ironic given what I said above). Best Windows Phone when it's missing features that are on both the Titan and Focus S, that's a bit odd.
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I don't get this preconceived ideas on some media outlets. Why "from Gizmodo of all places"? Maybe you only read some website because you think they're biased but I try to read a bit from all of them. For information this is how Gizmodo reviewed things before this phone:
- Zune HD: they loved it and wished it was a phone
- WP7: they loved that Zune HD turned into a phone, loved the OS, only hoped MS would update it quickly
- Mango: they loved it, just what they wanted from WP7
So really when you say "from Gizmodo of all places" you must really think they're just Apple fanboys who hate everything else when actually recent history proved they're not.
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It's quite simple, all websites in the Gawker network are known for from time to time write very bad articles just to piss people off. Because that gives them traffic boosts.
Here are two examples of articles that has been criticized:
http://gizmodo.com/5833787/my-brief-okcupid-affair-with-a-world-champion-magic-the-gathering-player
http://kotaku.com/5818213/professional-gaming-on-the-downturn-cheesy-tv-to-blame
They may give publicity to Windows Phone, which is a very good thing (for us), but I can't help to wonder if it isn't just to piss off the MS haters.
This anti-WP7 bias that supposedly exists on review sites is total BS.
Accept it people - it's entirely possible reviewers just don't like WP7 OS or hardware vs the Android and iPhones they're used to.
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This anti-WP7 bias that supposedly exists on review sites is total BS.
Accept it people - it's entirely possible reviewers just don't like WP7 OS or hardware vs the Android and iPhones they're used to.
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Quite possible, but that should not preclude an honest review of the inadequacies AND capabilities of WP7 without going on a rant about how MS should give up and concede the market. And for the record, anti-WP7 reviewer bias is not BS.
you know it's part of advertising right? Companies like Apple, MS and Google paid big bucks to splatters their name all over the web. In this case....probable Nokia.
I never trust any review on the web...unless it's by the consumers.
The Nokia might be a nice phone, but all I know is that if I were to settle for such a small phone, I would go with the Focus Flash. I much prefer a perfectly flat screen and the shape and style of the Flash is outstanding. Combined with a better AMOLED display and the style, the Flash is more appealing to me than the Lumia 800 and it has pretty much the same hardware...both are just as featureless, I mean (no FFC and such).
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This is the kind of statement that always makes me question integrity (ironic given what I said above). Best Windows Phone when it's missing features that are on both the Titan and Focus S, that's a bit odd.
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The best Windows Phone to me is the Lumia 800. The Windows Phone with the most bells and whistles is the Focus S.
If Samsung went back to some captivate-esque build quality then I'd be onboard. The lumia 800 just dominates the build quality department though.
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The best Windows Phone to me is the Lumia 800. The Windows Phone with the most bells and whistles is the Focus S.
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It's your right to prefer the Lumia 800 as best for your needs. I just think that as a media outlet that has access to all the phones I find it a bit odd to give this title to this particluar phone when the Titan and Focus S have bigger screens, removable batteries or FFC for instance. You would have to give some considerable weight to Nokia Drive but it doesn't look like it was a factor there.
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It's your right to prefer the Lumia 800 as best for your needs. I just think that as a media outlet that has access to all the phones I find it a bit odd to give this title to this particluar phone when the Titan and Focus S have bigger screens, removable batteries or FFC for instance. You would have to give some considerable weight to Nokia Drive but it doesn't look like it was a factor there.
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If smaller screen and lack of removeable battery were ever a negative, the iPhone should have never gotten the 9s it got in every iteration on Engadget. There is little difference between the Titan and 800; both have smaller storage and lack of FFC.
But to be honest, if I was an online reviewer and I had to say which phone is currently the best Windows Phone, I would say the Lumia 800. You may not read my articles ever again
Let us face facts, in the Windows Phone world the experience from phone to phone is going to be so similar that something like looks, camera, and colours could be the differentiator. I have been harping on the lack of colours on these feature phones for a while now. I think Nokia really has something with that.
nicksti said:
There is little difference between the Titan and 800; both have smaller storage and lack of FFC.
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The Titan comes with a 1.3MP FFC.
nicksti said:
If smaller screen and lack of removeable battery were ever a negative, the iPhone should have never gotten the 9s it got in every iteration on Engadget. There is little difference between the Titan and 800; both have smaller storage and lack of FFC.
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Sometimes I cannot tell if you're serious with some things you say. The Titan has a FFC and a much bigger screen. Same goes for the Focus S. The iPhone wasn't compared to another iPhone in the ecosystem unlike the Lumia 800. It's not like you had the choice of a 4" iPhone you can compare it to. In the same ecosystem the Lumia is missing features other phones have so to call best WP out there is questionable when this is coming from a tech website reviewer (if you want to believe that good for you). Unless like I said you consider Nokia Drive to be an amazing must have feature.
Peew971 said:
Sometimes I cannot tell if you're serious with some things you say. The Titan has a FFC and a much bigger screen. Same goes for the Focus S. The iPhone wasn't compared to another iPhone in the ecosystem unlike the Lumia 800. It's not like you had the choice of a 4" iPhone you can compare it to. In the same ecosystem the Lumia is missing features other phones have so to call best WP out there is questionable when this is coming from a tech website reviewer (if you want to believe that good for you). Unless like I said you consider Nokia Drive to be an amazing must have feature.
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It was an error on my part. I dunno why you say that about me. I thought we agreed it is a personal thing. Why is a "much bigger screen" a positive thing? The best selling phone in the last 3 years has a 3.5" screen. Yes, there are no iPhone options, but choice is choice, and people choose to own a 3.5" iPhone.
I am wrong about the FFC, my error, but I am serious that I think the Lumia is the best Windows Phone on the market.
All my opinions and needs:
The Lumia 800 is the most gorgeous phone I have ever seen. Ever. This is the RAZR of 2004. The iPhone 4 of 2010.
I am strongly considering getting the blue.
The features that it does lack I do not care too much about. My Defy was 2GB internal, 2GB microSD card. Plenty of space left. I do not need a FFC.
I want a phone that looks good, is easy to pocket and hold, has a nice screen, wonderful battery life, is stable, and has a high end camera. The compromise I am making is in the app department with the ecosystem (no EA scrabble, do they have words with friends?) but I will live.
I am serious. So the Focus S with its AMOLED screen, 1GB RAM, and bigger storage is the best one out of the three to you?
I probably won't get any of the 3 due to the lack of 32GB (although you never know since I've just repurchased a Zune HD) but yes in my eyes the Focus S is the best one. 4" and 4.3" are the two screen sizes that suit me so the Lumia is too small and the Titan too big. Also Samsung phones tend to get better battery life and camera experience when compared to HTCs. FFC I can live without so I don't hold that too much against the Lumia 800 (but then again I'm not a reviewer).
Ultimately none are worth getting a new contract for when they're not significantly better than my Omnia 7 so I'll wait and see what comes in 2012.
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I probably won't get any of the 3 due to the lack of 32GB (although you never know since I've just repurchased a Zune HD) but yes in my eyes the Focus S is the best one. 4" and 4.3" are the two screen sizes that suit me so the Lumia is too small and the Titan too big. Also Samsung phones tend to get better battery life and camera experience when compared to HTCs. FFC I can live without so I don't hold that too much against the Lumia 800 (but then again I'm not a reviewer).
Ultimately none are worth getting a new contract for when they're not significantly better than my Omnia 7 so I'll wait and see what comes in 2012.
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We are def in two different segments from that standpoint. I love my Defy. It is the most compact 3.7" phone I have ever seen. Smaller than an iPhone with a 3.5" screen (thicker but in all more compact). I used a SE X10 for a day and it was a bit of a struggle getting out of my jeans when sitting.
I really wanted an Omnia 7. But I knew WP was not for me then due to missing apps I needed. Then I read all the issues with Omnia and updates. So I would be hesitant to get the Flash. But I agree that there is not enough reason to go from Gen 1 to Gen 2. Its like the HTC wildfire/desire to wildfire s / desire s.
Call me superficial but the N9 had me at hello. When I read the Sea Ray rumour I could not wait. Unfortunately, I read the unlocked version may not be available until 2012
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Sometimes I cannot tell if you're serious with some things you say. The Titan has a FFC and a much bigger screen. Same goes for the Focus S. The iPhone wasn't compared to another iPhone in the ecosystem unlike the Lumia 800. It's not like you had the choice of a 4" iPhone you can compare it to. In the same ecosystem the Lumia is missing features other phones have so to call best WP out there is questionable when this is coming from a tech website reviewer (if you want to believe that good for you). Unless like I said you consider Nokia Drive to be an amazing must have feature.
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A bigger screen isnt always a plus esp as they have the same resolution and thus the lumia has a higher pixle density and its got the clear black amoledscreen. Big screen = big ugly device that sits heavy in my pocket. I would not only say the lumia has a better screen than the titan i would say it smashes it to the ground. I drive a 7 seater hyundai is that a better car then my old Subaru Impreza i think not. Bigger isnt always better.