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Froyo Orange

I know its been asked but the answers are very fragmented, so my question is:-
If I'm on Orange, and I've not rooted or unrooted or whatever, do I have to wait for the Desire update, then HTC to play, Then Orange to play?
If so how long is this gonna take from when the Froyo for Desire update is released?
Please dont drag this thread into a when is Froyo gonna be released debate as thats why I'm hvaing to create a new thread in the first place.

marmin said:
I know its been asked but the answers are very fragmented, so my question is:-
If I'm on Orange, and I've not rooted or unrooted or whatever, do I have to wait for the Desire update, then HTC to play, Then Orange to play?
If so how long is this gonna take from when the Froyo for Desire update is released?
Please dont drag this thread into a when is Froyo gonna be released debate as thats why I'm hvaing to create a new thread in the first place.
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as a rule HTC generally dont release there standard update in a region untill all of there branded roms are ready too atleast that was one of the reasons htc gave for the late hero eclair update

I am in exactly the same position as you. I have a unrooted, Ornage branded Desire and I really want Froyo asap.#
Will I get it OTA or will I have to wait for Orange or should I just de-brand and get it OTA?
I have no idea..

roscoe141 said:
I am in exactly the same position as you. I have a unrooted, Ornage branded Desire and I really want Froyo asap.#
Will I get it OTA or will I have to wait for Orange or should I just de-brand and get it OTA?
I have no idea..
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That makes no sense to me. All firmware updates are ota, regardless on branding. Non branded phones tend to get sent first. All depends what your carrier has added to the phone.
Prime example: T-Mobile delayed the initial release of Desires because they fecked up their phones with **** they added.
Sent from my Desire using XDA App

GANJDROID said:
That makes no sense to me. All firmware updates are ota, regardless on branding. Non branded phones tend to get sent first. All depends what your carrier has added to the phone.
Prime example: T-Mobile delayed the initial release of Desires because they fecked up their phones with **** they added.
Sent from my Desire using XDA App
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The point is, even if there is an Froyo OTA update for our phones I might not get mine as it's branded to Orange for another few months...

Here is a another thing - as I have an Orange Desire (no modifications - i.e. not flashed and no custom rom), can I unlock the phone from something like HTCCODE and update to Froyo using the official HTC OTA sometime this weekend?
.....but I'm guessing it's not as simple as that?

rockykabir said:
Here is a another thing - as I have an Orange Desire (no modifications - i.e. not flashed and no custom rom), can I unlock the phone from something like HTCCODE and update to Froyo using the official HTC OTA sometime this weekend?
.....but I'm guessing it's not as simple as that?
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You'd only have to make a goldcard and flash with a WWE ROM. It'll take about 30 minutes all told.

Question what do you guys understand by branded Orange phone? My Orange Desire has an official HTC ROM if I'm not mistaking, when I open my phone it's load screen says HTC and I don't have any Orange menus or **** on it, it's only network lock. Now the real question will I get the update or not? THX.

Echinox said:
Question what do you guys understand by branded Orange phone? My Orange Desire has an official HTC ROM if I'm not mistaking, when I open my phone it's load screen says HTC and I don't have any Orange menus or **** on it, it's only network lock. Now the real question will I get the update or not? THX.
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1) Your phone isn't branded
2) Everyone will get the update.
Sent from my Desire using XDA App

My phones locked to orange using a custom 2.1 Rom. Ive avoided changing to 2.2 as it is locked to orange so cant flash the radio. Does the OTA release upgrade the radio and as such will this activate the sim lock?

oh not bad!

Hopefully this should make it clear to everyone....
If you're on an Orange branded ROM, you will not get this update until Orange has fannied around making all of its useless, proprietary junk applications compatible with Froyo. That could take weeks, but will likely take months.
To get this OTA update as soon it's released:
Make a goldcard and insert it into your phone.
Flash a stock rom using an RUU executable (1.15 NOT 1.21)
Wait for HTC to release the update.
In theory, it should be possible to get hold of the new ROM before the mass rollout once someone has captured the link to the file on HTC's servers. This is work in progress (See dev section). As soon as that is found, it will be rooted and posted for mass consumption on this forum.
langers1 mentioned flashing radios causing a simlock on Orange devices. Flashing the 5.09 radio does not cause this problem. I and many others have shown this to be the case.

bedeabc; said:
langers1 mentioned flashing radios causing a simlock on Orange devices. Flashing the 5.09 radio does not cause this problem. I and many others have shown this to be the case.
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Really?
If I updated my radio and for whatever reason it did simlock, could I flash my radio back to an older one to unlock it, or would I need to pay to get an unlock code?
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just reflash an older radio

bedeabc said:
Make a goldcard and insert it into your phone.
Flash a stock rom using an RUU executable (1.15 NOT 1.21)
Wait for HTC to release the update.
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This is what I have done, but I don't think I will be able to update to FroYo before I first update to 1.21.
What will happen if i try to update to the latest OTA 1.21?

Just flashed ..5.09 radio and can confirm my Rooted Orange branded didn't simlock. Going to flash my Rom a lot for the first time in weeks
Good thread, clears up confusion
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

OMG thanks bedeabc, Ive been wanting to use Froyo with sense since it came out but thought I couldnt cos my phone was not unlocked, u r the man, thanks so much flashing in a few .

dallholio said:
Just flashed ..5.09 radio and can confirm my Rooted Orange branded didn't simlock. Going to flash my Rom a lot for the first time in weeks
Good thread, clears up confusion
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What do these different radio versions mean?

By the power of Grayskull......
I will have the (FroYo) Power!!!
I am planning to root my Orange branded Desire, cos I am not prepared to wait for Orange to release the OTA for Froyo in their own sweet time.
There is just one thing I dont understand. If I root, my version stays at 2.1.
I plan to then load a custom ROM, with A2SD, etc as Android 2.2.
But what if I decide I dont want it any more and I want to go back to my original software?
I have seen stock ROM's but Orange's ROM isnt there. How do I turn my own ROM into a recoverable ROM?
I have spent all day looking through XDA, modaco and google for answers....
Or am I missing something really obvious?
Thanks
Andy

I made a slight oversight in my post above. We're not yet sure, but it could be the case that you have to be running a 1.21 ROM in order to receive the Froyo update. However, the 1.21 OTA update comes with a radio which DOES cause a simlock on Orange devices.
However, I believe that there are 1.21 ROMs available in stickies on this forum that don't have a radio update bundled. Flashing one of these would be the best option for unrooted Orange users to get the update ASAP. It's unlikely that the 5.09 radio will cause problems for those with rooted Desires, so that should be ok too.
However, it's likely that the update will be bundled with a new version of HBOOT which could make rooting impossible. Only get the update OTA if you're sure you'll never want to root your Desire. I for one will be waiting for someone here to patch the update with SU permissions
@stats101
Radios are software packages that interface between your specific phone's hardware and Android OS. Think of them as driver bundles.
@langers1
Glad to be of help

How do I know if my Desire is rooted?

I bought a handset off another forum a couple of months back and I think it's a fully unbranded handset, and have been trying to run the 2.2 update, except everytime I get to the green sync symbol after it restarts, I then get a red question mark.
I'm running
Firmware 2.1 update1
Build number .1.1.405.2 CL174215 release keys
Software number 1.21.405.2
So is this rooted? Either way, how do I get the Froyo update to work?
Many thanks!

normalnix said:
I bought a handset off another forum a couple of months back and I think it's a fully unbranded handset, and have been trying to run the 2.2 update, except everytime I get to the green sync symbol after it restarts, I then get a red question mark.
I'm running
Firmware 2.1 update1
Build number .1.1.405.2 CL174215 release keys
Software number 1.21.405.2
So is this rooted? Either way, how do I get the Froyo update to work?
Many thanks!
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You will know if it is rooted cos you wont be able to pull it out the ground lol
Only jokin if you phone is rooted you will have a program in your apps called super user.
hope this helps

I have something called superuser permissions. Is that it? As you can gather, I'm a bit of a thicky so an idiots guide would be great!

normalnix said:
I have something called superuser permissions. Is that it? As you can gather, I'm a bit of a thicky so an idiots guide would be great!
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Yeah thats the one your phone is rooted

Ok. That answers the first part I guess then. Any ideas how I get to Froyo? I can download the update, but it always fails to do it's thing.
Do I have to restore the phone or what? And how?

is your phone branded in any way? even a start up logo ?
and where can you download the update? from system software updates on your phone?

There's no branding on the phone, box or software. I can download the update via software updates.
PS. Thanks for the help so far!

If you can download it from software updates go for it froyo here we go,
no branding is a good sign

Just try updating via the update manager as that should work.

LOL
That's the problem. It doesn't work!

Same thing with me....
I bought a Telstra Branded Handset. Had a company root and install a generic rom. (Telstra handset because it works on ATT 3G.) This morning, the phone told me that I had an Android Software Update (Version 2.2). The phone downloaded it, but wouldn't install. I imagine because the dang thing is rooted.
I will wait a few days for someone to offer a desire rom with 2.2 and HTC sense.

Is there an easy way to restore the handset to it's original software so I can upgrade from there?

Look for the Unrooting guide in the (sticky) guides collection. I believe it just involves flashing a stock rom. But currently you won't be able to root your phone after official OTA froyo update, since it flashes your hboot too. Alternatively you can flash a rooted froyo ROM without hboot.
Edit: Look in development forum for the sticky guide. The place to be for topics like this; it makes them obsolete.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Many thanks!
For further info, see 'How to Unroot your HTC Desire to stock' in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6710092&postcount=4
It took a bit of time to download all the updates, but I got there in the end.

My Desire is rooted, 2.1, not 2.2 Froyo, I wish. But I am trying to things in the file management like install and move around apk files. But it wont allow saying I have no permissions. Rooted to me means God access, but its not really god access. Any ideas why?

jontokyo said:
My Desire is rooted, 2.1, not 2.2 Froyo, I wish. But I am trying to things in the file management like install and move around apk files. But it wont allow saying I have no permissions. Rooted to me means God access, but its not really god access. Any ideas why?
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Even if you are rooted, you will have READ ONLY access to /system due to NAND protection. You can only write to /system from recovery.
Regards,
Dave

hi
i am new to andriod rom i am using htc desire hd how do i found that my phone is rooted or not please help thanks in advance

nagagaya said:
i am new to andriod rom i am using htc desire hd how do i found that my phone is rooted or not please help thanks in advance
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2nd post. If you have a superuser app, you are rooted.

[Q] 1 click root for wildfire 2.2 htc rom

there is any way of root my wildfire while i use the htc rom?(yeap very noob question )
what i really want is quite simple an app or a way(not a 33653463 steps way)to root my htc froyo rom and the have root privileges on my wildfire(ie cpu overclock)
thanx in advance

You can't root the new ota froyo. Htc updated the hboot
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

Like Kevin said.
Because HTC also updated the HBOOT the usual Unrevoked method won't work.
All you can do is wait for the day the developers find a new way in or around HTC's new security.

Sander M said:
Like Kevin said.
Because HTC also updated the HBOOT the usual Unrevoked method won't work.
All you can do is wait for the day the developers find a new way in or around HTC's new security.
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How likely do you think this is? Will the developers bother working on this? My brother was holding out on the root/custom ROM option hoping the 2.2 update would get rid of some of the lag... and is now disappointed that he can't root it because of the change.

hope they find a way. Really need OC. Little brother just got zte blade which is lot better and costs 100€ less than wildfire :/

Gerald.W said:
How likely do you think this is? Will the developers bother working on this? My brother was holding out on the root/custom ROM option hoping the 2.2 update would get rid of some of the lag... and is now disappointed that he can't root it because of the change.
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I do not know, I am not a developer. However usually it takes a couple of weeks. Developers are proud people. If something made their hack not work anymore they will hack it back just to show how good programmers they really are

Gerald.W said:
How likely do you think this is? Will the developers bother working on this? My brother was holding out on the root/custom ROM option hoping the 2.2 update would get rid of some of the lag... and is now disappointed that he can't root it because of the change.
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me too i was waiting to be kinda legit.(and hassle free ...) i want to root to oc and remove some of htc software.

any news about the hboot?

von kain said:
any news about the hboot?
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No, and I am pretty sure when there is, there will be 10 threads proclaiming it.
Just be patient.

Hi guys,
I was good happy with my DK custom rom 2.2, then foolishly I tried one of the stock rom for HTC WF India, and then applied the OTA update, now stuck with unrooted WF 2.2. I suppose, if I take my WF back to HTC support, would they be able bring my WF back to 2.1, and then I would again root my device, since now my warranty is retained after flashing with the stock rom.
Any guesses on that.

hashimjamal said:
Hi guys,
I was good happy with my DK custom rom 2.2, then foolishly I tried one of the stock rom for HTC WF India, and then applied the OTA update, now stuck with unrooted WF 2.2. I suppose, if I take my WF back to HTC support, would they be able bring my WF back to 2.1, and then I would again root my device, since now my warranty is retained after flashing with the stock rom.
Any guesses on that.
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You can ask them, but, its extremely unlikely they will do that, and, I am pretty sure they wont.
Sorry mate, but it is entirely your fault you applied the OTA, even when there are so many threads proclaiming that you shouldnt apply it, if you want to keep root.

don't know but sure it will be interesting if you can post if they do.

3xeno said:
Sorry mate, but it is entirely your fault you applied the OTA, even when there are so many threads proclaiming that you shouldnt apply it, if you want to keep root.
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Exactly, you deserve it.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

I ll be going to htc cust cre tom, lets see what happns next...
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

Customer services were not born yesterday.
If they do decided to give you Éclair back then you can guarantee that it will be done with the new Hboot version on it and not with the old.
It's highly unlikely though.
They will know that the only reason you want the old O/S and Hboot back is so that you can hack it. Unless of course you can provide them with real solid evidence that for some reason your Wildfire really does need to run the old O/S and Hboot.
All you will get is you have to have the upgrade due to performance security etc etc.
And if they do decided to give you back the old Éclair O/S you can bet your left testicle it will have the new Hboot.

i updated my wildfire to 2.2 it doesnt lag it only runs smoother and faster specially the wifi

Can.we get softroot?
Sent from my GT-P1000 using XDA App

Hi everybody,
Today I went to HTC customer care, but the guys there told me that they also are not able to downgrade it to 2.1, and their image is hanging.
Now only thing is to wait for developers to root the image and bring online.

any news so far ?

no news yet try checking out the following
http://unrevoked.com/
http://twitter.com/unrevoked

Desire Update NEXT WEEK

sorry if this is posted already.......
Hopefully we will get the update next week, or the week after.....
http://translate.google.com/transla...5/update-htc-desire-begint-volgende-week.html
translated from dutch

The update of the Desire to Android Gingerbread will probably start late next week.

Sounds good

htc said on fb that they would give status updates next week or so - do you think its a misunderstanding?

Now I'm running an s-off custom rom with CM7 HBOOT. What should I do to get that update? WOuld:
1) Flash the original partition table
2) Restore my NAND from my original image
that be enough? Or does HTC detect that the phone is still rooted etc.?

Sounds good but I only believe it when i've seen it.

martijndutch said:
Now I'm running an s-off custom rom with CM7 HBOOT. What should I do to get that update? WOuld:
1) Flash the original partition table
2) Restore my NAND from my original image
that be enough? Or does HTC detect that the phone is still rooted etc.?
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Don't do any of the above. Just wait 'till your favorite dev includes those updates into your favorite cm7 hboot rom. Should happen just few days after htc releases it.
Smashed with my RCMix S loaded HTC Desire.

Lothaen said:
htc said on fb that they would give status updates next week or so - do you think its a misunderstanding?
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It could be of course, But tweakers.net is a really trustfull website in the netherlands....
SO I hope it is true

Updates might start rolling out for non branded handsets but for all of us who are on contract and want the official update. Enjoy waiting for your carrier to release it.

Aww I have last exams next week
Lol I got to wait till Friday
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

HTC is very slow with pushing updates, and even after few months all you get is a crippled memory squished update. Update is almost every day with InsertCoin ROM...

PlayPetepp said:
Don't do any of the above. Just wait 'till your favorite dev includes those updates into your favorite cm7 hboot rom. Should happen just few days after htc releases it.
Smashed with my RCMix S loaded HTC Desire.
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+1 the devs will include it soon after release and once they do their roms are better than stock, just hold out for a little bit
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA Premium App

martijndutch said:
Now I'm running an s-off custom rom with CM7 HBOOT. What should I do to get that update? WOuld:
1) Flash the original partition table
2) Restore my NAND from my original image
that be enough? Or does HTC detect that the phone is still rooted etc.?
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Go to alpharev.nl and to the table and download the last one called Bravo_Downgrader.img. Basically the S-off has like a seal on it, so this will unlock it. Then flash an official RUU to unroot it and restore the bootloader to stock. That's what I did, I chose the WWE Froyo one. I think you should be able to then flash your nandroid backup by renaming it PB99IMG.zip (make sure it's not PB99IMG.zip.zip!) and reboot into bootloader and it should extract it.

Can't wait for a kernel source... I WANT IT NOW!!!!
Sent from my HTC Desire

Meaple said:
Updates might start rolling out for non branded handsets but for all of us who are on contract and want the official update. Enjoy waiting for your carrier to release it.
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That's the reason why I will never EVER buy and Android smartphone on contract!
eBookworm42 said:
HTC is very slow with pushing updates, and even after few months all you get is a crippled memory squished update. Update is almost every day with InsertCoin ROM...
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Your understanding of how things are working is deeply below zero.

Only buy android phones from Google is u want fast updates
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Can't wait update, so excited.

Terepin said:
That's the reason why I will never EVER buy and Android smartphone on contract!
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Oh well i wouldn't really care instead...the only official Htc rom i've been running was the 2.1 one my phone was sported with, and it lasted no more than 4-5 hours, then i came back home, rooted and flashed OpenDesire and never looked back. I don't really see the point of all of this complaints over the forums, it's xda here, not a casual phone blog for sissies sticking with stock roms for over a year. "Official" updates are waaay overrated imo

They are not overrated... they are usefull for XDA Devs so they can cook better & more stable ROM's.

Next week....coooollll...
I can not wait...can not wait...can not wait....
I am not using any official updates for months but the included kernels will be very usefull to the devs and I can get better ROMs from them....hihihihihihihi ....

Branded phone and future custom ROMS

Hi all, I've now a Vodafone branded phone, as for now I only have to wait for official updates (I'm no rooted and locked bootloader), I was thinking of what will happen when no more official updates are released, will I be able to install custom ROMS with the latest Android distribution or will I be stuck on the last one I will have officially received?
Because as for now I can't update to custom jb ROMS due to the incompatible hboot, bus as far as htc doesn't release more official updates shouldn't the hboot be the same for everyone?
I know this couldn't be a clear explanation, sorry for that, but I need to know if I've to sell my phone to get an unbranded one or not... I'd like to be able to use this phone as long as I don't break it, so this is so important to me,
Thanks
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app

you just have to wait longer, you will get your JB update. Every hox will get it. Unbranded have it earlier because the provider don't need to add bloatware !
If HTC pushes out a update you will also get it, doesn't matter if you have vodaphone or any other provider.
This also counts for future updates.

Yes, i know that, my thoughts were for when htc will not release updates anymore, what will happen then? Will we be able to flash custom ROMS based in aosp builds or not because of the hboot?
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MarcelHofs said:
you just have to wait longer, you will get your JB update. Every hox will get it. Unbranded have it earlier because the provider don't need to add bloatware !
If HTC pushes out a update you will also get it, doesn't matter if you have vodaphone or any other provider.
This also counts for future updates.
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I think he wanted to know if he will get his JB update, will he be able to flash custom roms which need a newer hboot.
So as far as i know, if you get your OTA update, your hboot will also be updated to the new hboot and then you will be able to use all the custom roms which need the new hboot.
But nobody knows what will be if newer versions of Android will come out, maybe they will need again a newer hboot version. And as long as you have a carrier branded device you will always need to wait for your carrier update.
If the Dev's could achieve S-Off there wouldn't be a problem, but so far nobody has made it.
Edit:
AOSP works better with older hboot (under 1.23), for some reason the gps and some things are broken on newer hboot (over 1.23) and they often need a seperate kernel (boot.img) to work.
But there are also a lot of custom roms for the newer hboot in the other developement section.
However i don't know if dev's will decide to work only with the never hboot in the future.

Thanks, then as I thought there is no clue of what will happen for branded phones, so going for an unbranded seems the best choice, wouldn't it?
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Involved said:
Thanks, then as I thought there is no clue of what will happen for branded phones, so going for an unbranded seems the best choice, wouldn't it?
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It's always the best choice.
But much likely if HTC releases a update, the carriers will / should follow, even though they will need more time.
Also if HTC won't release any more updates we will all be stuck on the latest version and maybe devs won't be capable of developing the newest android version for our device.
And even unbranded devices need the right CID for the right update unless we have achieved S-Off.
However i think there will always be enough experimental and also stable versions for any hboot version - thx to all the devs.

I didn't consider that even unbranded phones would need the right CID and hboot, so we're all in the same boat, branded and unbranded... Won't definitely buy another phone with locked bootloader, unless the s-off has been already achieved..
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Because of the above I will NEVER go to a carrier store for a phone again!!

I think in a way we got unlucky this time round, since the hboot is not forward compatible with the sense ROM. Let's hope it's a one off rather than a new sinister plan, and future updates do not require an updated hboot.

Let's hope that, seriously.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app

The very ....very best thing that could happen now is S-OFF so we can downgrade the hboot at any time so we can flash newer and older hboots in an instant !
But this is still very unlikely ! :thumbdown: