Hi all, I've now a Vodafone branded phone, as for now I only have to wait for official updates (I'm no rooted and locked bootloader), I was thinking of what will happen when no more official updates are released, will I be able to install custom ROMS with the latest Android distribution or will I be stuck on the last one I will have officially received?
Because as for now I can't update to custom jb ROMS due to the incompatible hboot, bus as far as htc doesn't release more official updates shouldn't the hboot be the same for everyone?
I know this couldn't be a clear explanation, sorry for that, but I need to know if I've to sell my phone to get an unbranded one or not... I'd like to be able to use this phone as long as I don't break it, so this is so important to me,
Thanks
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you just have to wait longer, you will get your JB update. Every hox will get it. Unbranded have it earlier because the provider don't need to add bloatware !
If HTC pushes out a update you will also get it, doesn't matter if you have vodaphone or any other provider.
This also counts for future updates.
Yes, i know that, my thoughts were for when htc will not release updates anymore, what will happen then? Will we be able to flash custom ROMS based in aosp builds or not because of the hboot?
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MarcelHofs said:
you just have to wait longer, you will get your JB update. Every hox will get it. Unbranded have it earlier because the provider don't need to add bloatware !
If HTC pushes out a update you will also get it, doesn't matter if you have vodaphone or any other provider.
This also counts for future updates.
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I think he wanted to know if he will get his JB update, will he be able to flash custom roms which need a newer hboot.
So as far as i know, if you get your OTA update, your hboot will also be updated to the new hboot and then you will be able to use all the custom roms which need the new hboot.
But nobody knows what will be if newer versions of Android will come out, maybe they will need again a newer hboot version. And as long as you have a carrier branded device you will always need to wait for your carrier update.
If the Dev's could achieve S-Off there wouldn't be a problem, but so far nobody has made it.
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AOSP works better with older hboot (under 1.23), for some reason the gps and some things are broken on newer hboot (over 1.23) and they often need a seperate kernel (boot.img) to work.
But there are also a lot of custom roms for the newer hboot in the other developement section.
However i don't know if dev's will decide to work only with the never hboot in the future.
Thanks, then as I thought there is no clue of what will happen for branded phones, so going for an unbranded seems the best choice, wouldn't it?
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Involved said:
Thanks, then as I thought there is no clue of what will happen for branded phones, so going for an unbranded seems the best choice, wouldn't it?
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It's always the best choice.
But much likely if HTC releases a update, the carriers will / should follow, even though they will need more time.
Also if HTC won't release any more updates we will all be stuck on the latest version and maybe devs won't be capable of developing the newest android version for our device.
And even unbranded devices need the right CID for the right update unless we have achieved S-Off.
However i think there will always be enough experimental and also stable versions for any hboot version - thx to all the devs.
I didn't consider that even unbranded phones would need the right CID and hboot, so we're all in the same boat, branded and unbranded... Won't definitely buy another phone with locked bootloader, unless the s-off has been already achieved..
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Because of the above I will NEVER go to a carrier store for a phone again!!
I think in a way we got unlucky this time round, since the hboot is not forward compatible with the sense ROM. Let's hope it's a one off rather than a new sinister plan, and future updates do not require an updated hboot.
Let's hope that, seriously.
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The very ....very best thing that could happen now is S-OFF so we can downgrade the hboot at any time so we can flash newer and older hboots in an instant !
But this is still very unlikely ! :thumbdown:
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I know its been asked but the answers are very fragmented, so my question is:-
If I'm on Orange, and I've not rooted or unrooted or whatever, do I have to wait for the Desire update, then HTC to play, Then Orange to play?
If so how long is this gonna take from when the Froyo for Desire update is released?
Please dont drag this thread into a when is Froyo gonna be released debate as thats why I'm hvaing to create a new thread in the first place.
marmin said:
I know its been asked but the answers are very fragmented, so my question is:-
If I'm on Orange, and I've not rooted or unrooted or whatever, do I have to wait for the Desire update, then HTC to play, Then Orange to play?
If so how long is this gonna take from when the Froyo for Desire update is released?
Please dont drag this thread into a when is Froyo gonna be released debate as thats why I'm hvaing to create a new thread in the first place.
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as a rule HTC generally dont release there standard update in a region untill all of there branded roms are ready too atleast that was one of the reasons htc gave for the late hero eclair update
I am in exactly the same position as you. I have a unrooted, Ornage branded Desire and I really want Froyo asap.#
Will I get it OTA or will I have to wait for Orange or should I just de-brand and get it OTA?
I have no idea..
roscoe141 said:
I am in exactly the same position as you. I have a unrooted, Ornage branded Desire and I really want Froyo asap.#
Will I get it OTA or will I have to wait for Orange or should I just de-brand and get it OTA?
I have no idea..
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That makes no sense to me. All firmware updates are ota, regardless on branding. Non branded phones tend to get sent first. All depends what your carrier has added to the phone.
Prime example: T-Mobile delayed the initial release of Desires because they fecked up their phones with **** they added.
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GANJDROID said:
That makes no sense to me. All firmware updates are ota, regardless on branding. Non branded phones tend to get sent first. All depends what your carrier has added to the phone.
Prime example: T-Mobile delayed the initial release of Desires because they fecked up their phones with **** they added.
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The point is, even if there is an Froyo OTA update for our phones I might not get mine as it's branded to Orange for another few months...
Here is a another thing - as I have an Orange Desire (no modifications - i.e. not flashed and no custom rom), can I unlock the phone from something like HTCCODE and update to Froyo using the official HTC OTA sometime this weekend?
.....but I'm guessing it's not as simple as that?
rockykabir said:
Here is a another thing - as I have an Orange Desire (no modifications - i.e. not flashed and no custom rom), can I unlock the phone from something like HTCCODE and update to Froyo using the official HTC OTA sometime this weekend?
.....but I'm guessing it's not as simple as that?
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You'd only have to make a goldcard and flash with a WWE ROM. It'll take about 30 minutes all told.
Question what do you guys understand by branded Orange phone? My Orange Desire has an official HTC ROM if I'm not mistaking, when I open my phone it's load screen says HTC and I don't have any Orange menus or **** on it, it's only network lock. Now the real question will I get the update or not? THX.
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Question what do you guys understand by branded Orange phone? My Orange Desire has an official HTC ROM if I'm not mistaking, when I open my phone it's load screen says HTC and I don't have any Orange menus or **** on it, it's only network lock. Now the real question will I get the update or not? THX.
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1) Your phone isn't branded
2) Everyone will get the update.
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My phones locked to orange using a custom 2.1 Rom. Ive avoided changing to 2.2 as it is locked to orange so cant flash the radio. Does the OTA release upgrade the radio and as such will this activate the sim lock?
oh not bad!
Hopefully this should make it clear to everyone....
If you're on an Orange branded ROM, you will not get this update until Orange has fannied around making all of its useless, proprietary junk applications compatible with Froyo. That could take weeks, but will likely take months.
To get this OTA update as soon it's released:
Make a goldcard and insert it into your phone.
Flash a stock rom using an RUU executable (1.15 NOT 1.21)
Wait for HTC to release the update.
In theory, it should be possible to get hold of the new ROM before the mass rollout once someone has captured the link to the file on HTC's servers. This is work in progress (See dev section). As soon as that is found, it will be rooted and posted for mass consumption on this forum.
langers1 mentioned flashing radios causing a simlock on Orange devices. Flashing the 5.09 radio does not cause this problem. I and many others have shown this to be the case.
bedeabc; said:
langers1 mentioned flashing radios causing a simlock on Orange devices. Flashing the 5.09 radio does not cause this problem. I and many others have shown this to be the case.
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Really?
If I updated my radio and for whatever reason it did simlock, could I flash my radio back to an older one to unlock it, or would I need to pay to get an unlock code?
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just reflash an older radio
bedeabc said:
Make a goldcard and insert it into your phone.
Flash a stock rom using an RUU executable (1.15 NOT 1.21)
Wait for HTC to release the update.
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This is what I have done, but I don't think I will be able to update to FroYo before I first update to 1.21.
What will happen if i try to update to the latest OTA 1.21?
Just flashed ..5.09 radio and can confirm my Rooted Orange branded didn't simlock. Going to flash my Rom a lot for the first time in weeks
Good thread, clears up confusion
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OMG thanks bedeabc, Ive been wanting to use Froyo with sense since it came out but thought I couldnt cos my phone was not unlocked, u r the man, thanks so much flashing in a few .
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Just flashed ..5.09 radio and can confirm my Rooted Orange branded didn't simlock. Going to flash my Rom a lot for the first time in weeks
Good thread, clears up confusion
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What do these different radio versions mean?
By the power of Grayskull......
I will have the (FroYo) Power!!!
I am planning to root my Orange branded Desire, cos I am not prepared to wait for Orange to release the OTA for Froyo in their own sweet time.
There is just one thing I dont understand. If I root, my version stays at 2.1.
I plan to then load a custom ROM, with A2SD, etc as Android 2.2.
But what if I decide I dont want it any more and I want to go back to my original software?
I have seen stock ROM's but Orange's ROM isnt there. How do I turn my own ROM into a recoverable ROM?
I have spent all day looking through XDA, modaco and google for answers....
Or am I missing something really obvious?
Thanks
Andy
I made a slight oversight in my post above. We're not yet sure, but it could be the case that you have to be running a 1.21 ROM in order to receive the Froyo update. However, the 1.21 OTA update comes with a radio which DOES cause a simlock on Orange devices.
However, I believe that there are 1.21 ROMs available in stickies on this forum that don't have a radio update bundled. Flashing one of these would be the best option for unrooted Orange users to get the update ASAP. It's unlikely that the 5.09 radio will cause problems for those with rooted Desires, so that should be ok too.
However, it's likely that the update will be bundled with a new version of HBOOT which could make rooting impossible. Only get the update OTA if you're sure you'll never want to root your Desire. I for one will be waiting for someone here to patch the update with SU permissions
@stats101
Radios are software packages that interface between your specific phone's hardware and Android OS. Think of them as driver bundles.
@langers1
Glad to be of help
sorry if this is posted already.......
Hopefully we will get the update next week, or the week after.....
http://translate.google.com/transla...5/update-htc-desire-begint-volgende-week.html
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The update of the Desire to Android Gingerbread will probably start late next week.
Sounds good
htc said on fb that they would give status updates next week or so - do you think its a misunderstanding?
Now I'm running an s-off custom rom with CM7 HBOOT. What should I do to get that update? WOuld:
1) Flash the original partition table
2) Restore my NAND from my original image
that be enough? Or does HTC detect that the phone is still rooted etc.?
Sounds good but I only believe it when i've seen it.
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Now I'm running an s-off custom rom with CM7 HBOOT. What should I do to get that update? WOuld:
1) Flash the original partition table
2) Restore my NAND from my original image
that be enough? Or does HTC detect that the phone is still rooted etc.?
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Don't do any of the above. Just wait 'till your favorite dev includes those updates into your favorite cm7 hboot rom. Should happen just few days after htc releases it.
Smashed with my RCMix S loaded HTC Desire.
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htc said on fb that they would give status updates next week or so - do you think its a misunderstanding?
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It could be of course, But tweakers.net is a really trustfull website in the netherlands....
SO I hope it is true
Updates might start rolling out for non branded handsets but for all of us who are on contract and want the official update. Enjoy waiting for your carrier to release it.
Aww I have last exams next week
Lol I got to wait till Friday
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HTC is very slow with pushing updates, and even after few months all you get is a crippled memory squished update. Update is almost every day with InsertCoin ROM...
PlayPetepp said:
Don't do any of the above. Just wait 'till your favorite dev includes those updates into your favorite cm7 hboot rom. Should happen just few days after htc releases it.
Smashed with my RCMix S loaded HTC Desire.
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+1 the devs will include it soon after release and once they do their roms are better than stock, just hold out for a little bit
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martijndutch said:
Now I'm running an s-off custom rom with CM7 HBOOT. What should I do to get that update? WOuld:
1) Flash the original partition table
2) Restore my NAND from my original image
that be enough? Or does HTC detect that the phone is still rooted etc.?
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Go to alpharev.nl and to the table and download the last one called Bravo_Downgrader.img. Basically the S-off has like a seal on it, so this will unlock it. Then flash an official RUU to unroot it and restore the bootloader to stock. That's what I did, I chose the WWE Froyo one. I think you should be able to then flash your nandroid backup by renaming it PB99IMG.zip (make sure it's not PB99IMG.zip.zip!) and reboot into bootloader and it should extract it.
Can't wait for a kernel source... I WANT IT NOW!!!!
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Meaple said:
Updates might start rolling out for non branded handsets but for all of us who are on contract and want the official update. Enjoy waiting for your carrier to release it.
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That's the reason why I will never EVER buy and Android smartphone on contract!
eBookworm42 said:
HTC is very slow with pushing updates, and even after few months all you get is a crippled memory squished update. Update is almost every day with InsertCoin ROM...
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Your understanding of how things are working is deeply below zero.
Only buy android phones from Google is u want fast updates
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Can't wait update, so excited.
Terepin said:
That's the reason why I will never EVER buy and Android smartphone on contract!
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Oh well i wouldn't really care instead...the only official Htc rom i've been running was the 2.1 one my phone was sported with, and it lasted no more than 4-5 hours, then i came back home, rooted and flashed OpenDesire and never looked back. I don't really see the point of all of this complaints over the forums, it's xda here, not a casual phone blog for sissies sticking with stock roms for over a year. "Official" updates are waaay overrated imo
They are not overrated... they are usefull for XDA Devs so they can cook better & more stable ROM's.
Next week....coooollll...
I can not wait...can not wait...can not wait....
I am not using any official updates for months but the included kernels will be very usefull to the devs and I can get better ROMs from them....hihihihihihihi ....
Will the GB be sent out ota?
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Will the GB be sent out ota?
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Highly likely.
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thanks
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desire gingerbread
Hi all
Do unlocked to any network phones receive OTA updates before branded ones?, and if that is the case if I unlocked my phone would I receive the OTA update earlier even if I am still running the orange UK android 2.2.
howjord said:
Hi all
Do unlocked to any network phones receive OTA updates before branded ones?, and if that is the case if I unlocked my phone would I receive the OTA update earlier even if I am still running the orange UK android 2.2.
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I doubt it, because carriers have to do their own testing of the firmware then distribute it, so even though htc will release it this week we might not get it during this week or the week after maybe.
No. You still have to wait for Orange to mess around with it. You'll be waiting at least another month after gb gets released.
Swyped...
Unbranded phones will most likely get updates before anyone else. If your phone is branded you will have to create a gold card then you can install the official HTC unbranded ruu, then get the OTA earlier.
howjord said:
Hi all
Do unlocked to any network phones receive OTA updates before branded ones?, and if that is the case if I unlocked my phone would I receive the OTA update earlier even if I am still running the orange UK android 2.2.
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To answer your question as noone else cared to read it, no unlocked phones won't get it earlier. The locking is completely separated from the rom itself.
But branded phones(the ones with apps and stuff from orange etc. on it) will have to wait for the carrier to add their branding and deploy it. So you can get it quicker by unbranding(installing a stock wwe htc rom), however you might get issues when trying to install the update.
thanks all for your replies. Thought about installing the stock htc rom with no orange branding but heard it can cause problems so will just have to wait.
Will I lose root, sim unlocked and s-off when the update comes through?
dunno how bout sim-lock
but you NEVER should apply an OTA on rooted rom
and yes you will lose root and s-off (if it works well, the ota)
just wait until it gets released, devs will root it and post here, and you just download stock rooted gingerbread and flash it.
Anyone else get stuck with the warning triangle / sign with green android bot logo figure on reboot after OTA 2.3.5?
HTC seems to block the official OTA update to android 2.3.5 on rooted phones:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20091257&postcount=25
Should we reverse engineer the updater to remove the blocking check or do we have a full stock rom for EU with this update to flash using
alquez said:
Clockworkmod Recovery v5.0.2.6 for HTC Wildfire S (Marvel)
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already?
woprr said:
Anyone else get stuck with the warning triangle / sign with green android bot logo figure on reboot after OTA 2.3.5?
HTC seems to block the official OTA update to android 2.3.5 on rooted phones:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20091257&postcount=25
Should we reverse engineer the updater to remove the blocking check or do we have a full stock rom for EU with this update to flash using
already?
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Who needs OTA? We have the stock RUU here already.
But did anyone seriously expect a different behavior?
HTC won't unlock the WFS bootloader as we already know... so how can anybody expect they would allow OTA updates on rooted phones?
Since I own HTC Android phones I never saw an OTA update working on a rooted or debranded phone (HTC Tattoo, HTC Desire, HTC Wildfire, HTC Wildfire S).
Before rooting or debranding (unbranding) everything is fine. When we "cross the line" we are on our own.
Any updates must be installed by us. Anyway that shouldn't be difficult to do...
IMHO that should be simple to understand.
I guess installing a modified recovery and then expecting for a free software update would be like showing the middle finger to HTC and still asking for candy.
Android is "open source" software but only until some extent. HTC puts a lot of modifications on their releases (mainly Sense and some addons).
If we want to "kit" or "mod" or phones we should be conscious of what we're doing.
The price to pay for being impatient or for wanting to have complete control of our devices is now pretty obvious.
I'm not saying I agree with this... on the contrary! HTC should unlock the booloader and let us do what we want.
However if we decide to take that path it's our problem.
If I put myself on HTC's boots I understand that rooting/debranding/modifying recovery is a valid reason for voiding warranty and locking future updates. With an user modified phone there is no guarantee that HTC can predict what will happen during the update process.
If something goes wrong there are possibly too many variables involved that are out of their control.
Just my two cents... sorry for my long posts mates.
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Who needs OTA? We have the stock RUU here already.
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And unrooted and probably s-on bootloader after flash?
Forget it. Trash this HTC ****, I backup and participate in sense- less custom roms
woprr said:
And unrooted and probably s-on bootloader after flash?
Forget it. Trash this HTC ****, I backup and participate in sense- less custom roms
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I don't understand why people buy HTC phones which are mainly "famous" because of Sense and then want to get rid of it.
It's like buying a Ferrari and removing the logo with the horse.
If I wanted a plain Vanilla Android phone there would be plenty of cheaper solutions available. Many of them with custom roms being developed.
So why buy HTC and remove it's main feature?
This is obviously just my opinion. No flaming intended.
Well, it was my first smartphone ever, and what I got for 200€ is a nasty brick of bugs with hours extra work of fixing.
This piece of crap is not even capable of setting the clock correctly without rooting.
Then comes a update and they block my phone.
I'm really fed up of HTC "Quality", and want most of their "commercialware" removed now.
I will never buy any HTC again. I've had it.
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Who needs OTA? We have the stock RUU here already.
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I'm from mobile and I can't find the link for the official RUU. Can you please pm or post the link here? Thx
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That's normal, once you get rooted, you're on your own.
Here.
TerrAme0 said:
I'm from mobile and I can't find the link for the official RUU. Can you please pm or post the link here? Thx
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The RUU
Kind of off-topic, but on topic for the RUU update. Is it possible to installed Data2SD on this and be greater then 2 GB?
No, it's an official update.
miguelca said:
But did anyone seriously expect a different behavior?
HTC won't unlock the WFS bootloader as we already know... so how can anybody expect they would allow OTA updates on rooted phones?
Since I own HTC Android phones I never saw an OTA update working on a rooted or debranded phone (HTC Tattoo, HTC Desire, HTC Wildfire, HTC Wildfire S).
Before rooting or debranding (unbranding) everything is fine. When we "cross the line" we are on our own.
Any updates must be installed by us. Anyway that shouldn't be difficult to do...
IMHO that should be simple to understand.
I guess installing a modified recovery and then expecting for a free software update would be like showing the middle finger to HTC and still asking for candy.
Android is "open source" software but only until some extent. HTC puts a lot of modifications on their releases (mainly Sense and some addons).
If we want to "kit" or "mod" or phones we should be conscious of what we're doing.
The price to pay for being impatient or for wanting to have complete control of our devices is now pretty obvious.
I'm not saying I agree with this... on the contrary! HTC should unlock the booloader and let us do what we want.
However if we decide to take that path it's our problem.
If I put myself on HTC's boots I understand that rooting/debranding/modifying recovery is a valid reason for voiding warranty and locking future updates. With an user modified phone there is no guarantee that HTC can predict what will happen during the update process.
If something goes wrong there are possibly too many variables involved that are out of their control.
Just my two cents... sorry for my long posts mates.
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I don't rally want or expect the OTA update, but have it disabled in wifes phone, but it still comes up in menu bar n says update available.
Anyway to stop it displaying this?
Ron173 said:
I don't rally want or expect the OTA update, but have it disabled in wifes phone, but it still comes up in menu bar n says update available.
Anyway to stop it displaying this?
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Freeze the update notifier with titanium backup
Or just disable automatic update check..
Title says it all, is it possbile to flash stock ROM from a different region without S-OFF?
Not very familiar with these things, but reading around it seems I need s-off for flashing a ROM from a different region, which is not achieved yet
I'm currently using a Telecom HOX from NZ, and the software version is still 1.26.781.2, seeing other people already having 1.28 or 1.29 OTA updates, and even a newer 2.05.401.2 with Android 4.0.4 is coming out is very frustrating.
I really wish I can flash to a stock from from TW.
Anyone can help me?
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Title says it all, is it possbile to flash stock ROM from a different region without S-OFF?
Not very familiar with these things, but reading around it seems I need s-off for flashing a ROM from a different region, which is not achieved yet
I'm currently using a Telecom HOX from NZ, and the software version is still 1.26.781.2, seeing other people already having 1.28 or 1.29 OTA updates, and even a newer 2.05.401.2 with Android 4.0.4 is coming out is very frustrating.
I really wish I can flash to a stock from from TW.
Anyone can help me?
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No, you need S-OFF, and if you want to keep the phone in warranty by keeping the stuck ROM then your only option is to go with that old version...
But since you brought up the 2.05.401.2 those people are not using stock ROM, that's a test version and comes only as custom rom, if you have unlocked your phone already, then you can use custom ROMs with any version you like...
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No, you need S-OFF, and if you want to keep the phone in warranty by keeping the stuck ROM then your only option is to go with that old version...
But since you brought up the 2.05.401.2 those people are not using stock ROM, that's a test version and comes only as custom rom, if you have unlocked your phone already, then you can use custom ROMs with any version you like...
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I had the best battery on my one x when i had 1.26 so be careful what you wish for
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I had the best battery on my one x when i had 1.26 so be careful what you wish for
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Really???? that is one of the main reasons I want a newer version, I heard the updates slightly fixes battery life. So far just using wifi for 5mins can drain my phone up to 10%