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What? Unlimited "won't" extend to LTE...

I was reading cnet and I came across this article. We all know by now about Sprint transitioning toward LTE, but what I didn't know according to cnet "Of course, this won’t extend to LTE, but offering unlimited 3G and WiMAX plans may be enough to keep many customers from jumping ship until Sprint’s a bit more competitive in the LTE market."
I thought we keep our unlimited data plan, after all I am paying $10 extra for the so called 4G, and when Sprints 4G speed catches up to all the other carriers, I have to switch to a capped plan?! I hope this is not true.
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http://m.intomobile.com/2011/12/05/sprint-launch-lte-devices-2h-2012/?page=1

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprints-first-lte-handsets-coming-second-half-2012/2011-12-05
Article in OP seems out of context.
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xcharles718 said:
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprints-first-lte-handsets-coming-second-half-2012/2011-12-05
Article in OP seems out of context.
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I read this before, what caught my attention is that folks on 3G and "clearwire 4G" keep their unlimited plan. So if I want 4G LTE, I have to switch plans?

Maybe I'm a bit jaded, but i've learned to expect nothing in concessions or good will from Sprint. There is a clear movement toward penny pinching with current subscribers (fees, SERO) and crowd pleasing with new subscribers (iPhone, "unlimited" data... for a fee).
Who knows, maybe they parlay the current premium data fee into a double-premium data $20 fee for LTE devices, with a $10 admin fee. Probably not, but rewind two years and ask yourself if you'd expect them to do what they did in the last 6 quarters...

It will probably depend on the success of current spectrum deals and LTE rollout speed. Sprint's LTE on its own is not enough because they have only half the spectrum of Verizon. However, if Clearwire and Lightsquared successfully develop their LTE networks, then Sprint may still be able to offer unlimited 4G LTE to subscribers.

Jayavarman said:
It will probably depend on the success of current spectrum deals and LTE rollout speed. Sprint's LTE on its own is not enough because they have only half the spectrum of Verizon. However, if Clearwire and Lightsquared successfully develop their LTE networks, then Sprint may still be able to offer unlimited 4G LTE to subscribers.
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Hmm... ok. Well would it be worth it to stay with Sprint IF they limit data since Sprint's LTE is apparently only half of what Verizon has?
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niv3d said:
Hmm... ok. Well would it be worth it to stay with Sprint IF they limit data since Sprint's LTE is apparently only half of what Verizon has?
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If unlimited data plans disappear, I will probably leave Sprint. But it will also depend on pricing and coverage where I live at the time.

Jayavarman said:
If unlimited data plans disappear, I will probably leave Sprint. But it will also depend on pricing and coverage where I live at the time.
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+1 for me also

Alex1x said:
I thought we keep our unlimited data plan, after all I am paying $10 extra for the so called 4G, and when Sprints 4G speed catches up to all the other carriers, I have to switch to a capped plan?! I hope this is not true.
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That is funny.. A while ago I was on the phone and I was *****ing at sprint in my most professional manner and I said that.. "I'm paying extra for this 4g that I can't even take advantage of because of my area" The lady was quick to correct me and call it the premium data package. I love how they change the wording to avoid issue.
I'm confident that I too wil be leaving sprint. My bill really isn't much cheaper than my friends who have Verizon or ATT. Pretty much what pushed me over the edge was when they got rid of my ability to upgrade every year and then also took away the 1 year contract. I'll more than likely buy whatever phone I want and never be held to a contract again but the value in me being able to get a new phone every year and sell my old one.. Well that was too good to pass up. With out that ability.. See ya.
One thing I found crazy is that Sprint has a deadline for when they expect to have their LTE deployment finished. That really makes me feel like where I live.. I will never see it. I doubt that they are still deploying WiMax and their 3G network is absolutely slooooowwwww.
If it were not for the Galaxy S II with a notification light I might not be with sprint now hahah.

tuna-83 said:
That is funny.. A while ago I was on the phone and I was *****ing at sprint in my most professional manner and I said that.. "I'm paying extra for this 4g that I can't even take advantage of because of my area" The lady was quick to correct me and call it the premium data package. I love how they change the wording to avoid issue.
I'm confident that I too wil be leaving sprint. My bill really isn't much cheaper than my friends who have Verizon or ATT. Pretty much what pushed me over the edge was when they got rid of my ability to upgrade every year and then also took away the 1 year contract. I'll more than likely buy whatever phone I want and never be held to a contract again but the value in me being able to get a new phone every year and sell my old one.. Well that was too good to pass up. With out that ability.. See ya.
One thing I found crazy is that Sprint has a deadline for when they expect to have their LTE deployment finished. That really makes me feel like where I live.. I will never see it. I doubt that they are still deploying WiMax and their 3G network is absolutely slooooowwwww.
If it were not for the Galaxy S II with a notification light I might not be with sprint now hahah.
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I too am switching...this Thursday or Friday when the galaxy nexus arrives. I'm going to take advantage of Verizon's awesome service in my area, that's almost 2mbps 3g and over 20mbps lte, my employer discount of 19 percent, double data promotion and the Google supported galaxy nexus.
Coming from sprints 200 kbps 3g speeds here and no 4g, this is gonna be a hell of an upgrade.
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Jayavarman said:
If unlimited data plans disappear, I will probably leave Sprint. But it will also depend on pricing and coverage where I live at the time.
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Well said.

Jayavarman said:
If unlimited data plans disappear, I will probably leave Sprint. But it will also depend on pricing and coverage where I live at the time.
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Same for me

I've been waiting for 3G to be fixed in Milwaukee since 2009 when I had the Hero. Every month I get a new excuse that they're upgrading the towers in my area later on in the month.
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I really wish that the people leaving would stop threatening it and just do it.
These idle threats have been going on since January on XDA.
Leave. Please, so we can get back to actual discussions about android and developing etc instead of whining about a problem with a simple solution to no end.

Err0rist said:
I've been waiting for 3G to be fixed in Milwaukee since 2009 when I had the Hero. Every month I get a new excuse that they're upgrading the towers in my area later on in the month.
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Data here in Wauwatosa is sometimes fast, sometimes slow. Just sitting in my house, I can go from 150KBps (kiloBYTES) to 5KBps in the same evening from one day to the next at the same general time.
However, when I'm in Chicago, Sprint has far better data speeds than my co-workers who are on Verizon.
So weird.

To clear up one misconception: we're not paying the $10 for 4G. Sprint stopped claiming that early on. It's on all premium phones, even the ones that don't support 4G. They claim it's a premium for premium phones which are more likely to use the network more heavily. No tie directly to 4G at all anymore.

Dalmus said:
Data here in Wauwatosa is sometimes fast, sometimes slow. Just sitting in my house, I can go from 150KBps (kiloBYTES) to 5KBps in the same evening from one day to the next at the same general time.
However, when I'm in Chicago, Sprint has far better data speeds than my co-workers who are on Verizon.
So weird.
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Anecdotal speed test conducted today at a Chicago area Starbucks:
My ET4G w/ EK02 modem: 4 megabit down
Friend's Thunderbolt LTE CM7: 17 megabit down
We ended up tethering my phone off his device so he can play around with it and render a few commonly visited webpages to "experience" dual core/1gb ram.
He's gonna buy the Nexus Prime off-contract next week D:

I always forget about 4g, since we don't (officially) have it in the Milwaukee area.
The one unofficial 4g tower I'm ever around (near the airport) gives me about 12mbit. Of course, in that area I pull almost 2mbit on 3g there...
I know the sprint 4g towers have a very short range... Once I get more than a mile away from the 4g, the speeds drop dramatically fast. Knowing Sprint, they probably have just four towers covering all of Chicago.
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I never see anything over 250 kpbs at home, sometimes it's lower than 30 kbps. I can't drive and stream music or even watch youtube videos on 3G. When I had my hero (2009) I was getting 1.3mbps constant.There's no way they've been working on the towers for over a year with no results. We're paying for 3G and 4G and not getting either.
There's a rumor on the sprint forum that sprint sold half of their towers to cricket mobile.
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Alex1x said:
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Here's how I honestly read this article:
Yadda yadda yadda... yadda yadda yadda...
....yadda yadda yadda...
....yadda yadda yadda...
nothing new here at all...
...same ol' stuff we've been talking about for several months....yadda yadda yadda...
...yadda yadda yadda.... unsubstantiated claim with absolutely no evidence and in fact evidence to the contrary likely put in the article to cause drama and increase viewership...yadda yadda yadda...
end.
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Verizon 4G

All I have to say is Ouch! The entire 4G network is down (and some of their 3G too it seems), has been since last night, and no ETA for repair...

VZ users are probably still getting faster speeds than us though

Guess that depends on how fast their 1x is (It was slow as balls on my Eris...)

This is the 5th outage of its kind for them. The last one was just last week. Verizon's got the faster/superior network but obviously something's not right there. I hope they fix this once and for all, for the sake of those 70 million customers they rape with their nickel-and-diming

Well now verizon has sprint like 3 g speeds
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kindaskimpy said:
This is the 5th outage of its kind for them. The last one was just last week. Verizon's got the faster/superior network but obviously something's not right there. I hope they fix this once and for all, for the sake of those 70 million customers they rape with their nickel-and-diming
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They should be forced into taking those commercials about being superior, and most reliable.
Clearly a lie.

kindaskimpy said:
This is the 5th outage of its kind for them. The last one was just last week. Verizon's got the faster/superior network but obviously something's not right there. I hope they fix this once and for all, for the sake of those 70 million customers they rape with their nickel-and-diming
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Verizon easily has the most reliable network, I was with them for almost two years. Their 3G speeds easily beat our 4G speeds in actual use speed and I experienced one outage the whole time I was with them. I only left because they started throttling the "unlimited" data they sold me after just 2gb. Managed to get out of the ETF only after a bunch of complaints, including one with the attorney general's office.
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jmejiaa said:
VZ users are probably still getting faster speeds than us though
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Post of the day. It made me smile
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Damn I must roam on verizon a lot my data coverage has been crap for the last 14 hours. Places where it is normally slow are showin no data at all for me.
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kingsway8605 said:
Verizon easily has the most reliable network, I was with them for almost two years. Their 3G speeds easily beat our 4G speeds in actual use speed and I experienced one outage the whole time I was with them. I only left because they started throttling the "unlimited" data they sold me after just 2gb. Managed to get out of the ETF only after a bunch of complaints, including one with the attorney general's office.
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Five nationwide outages in one calendar year is not reliable and as far as your comment of their 3g beating wimax speeds.... um no.
Not even in crappy wimax areas.

mattykinsx said:
Five nationwide outages in one calendar year is not reliable and as far as your comment of their 3g beating wimax speeds.... um no.
Not even in crappy wimax areas.
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Speaking from experience in my area. It is a simple fact that Verizon 3G beat my wimax speeds in Jax, FL.
I just tell it like it is, unlike some people, I don't have "allegiances" to corporations unless they are paying me. I will never get fanboyism. Have you ever even used Verizon lol?
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Im taking 5 outages in a year over 300 kb/s download speeds all day everyday

I'll take decent Sprint speeds with cheaper service anyday. Once Sprint gets their **** together, their speeds will be just as good if not better than Verizons on 3g. 4g is nice, but unless you are tethering it, it really doesn't make a difference when you are browsing the web on your phone.

kingsway8605 said:
Speaking from experience in my area. It is a simple fact that Verizon 3G beat my wimax speeds in Jax, FL.
I just tell it like it is, unlike some people, I don't have "allegiances" to corporations unless they are paying me. I will never get fanboyism. Have you ever even used Verizon lol?
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Yes I have and it's not even close to as good as the commercials try to suggest it is.
Also, in the last speed tests released a few months ago the average 3g for Verizon was around 700k while the average Sprint wimax was either 6 or 8 mbps (can't remember which)
Not even close.
brownhornet said:
Im taking 5 outages in a year over 300 kb/s download speeds all day everyday
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Unless you were actually subject to these outages, then it would be a different tune.
Obviously the speeds are just fine for you (or you're exaggerating) since you're still with Sprint even though you've been complaining about them even on the evo forums for a full year now.

mattykinsx said:
Yes I have and it's not even close to as good as the commercials try to suggest it is.
Also, in the last speed tests released a few months ago the average 3g for Verizon was around 700k while the average Sprint wimax was either 6 or 8 mbps (can't remember which)
Not even close.
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Speeds vary greatly depending on location, congestion, and capacity. In real world use, my 3G was noticeably faster on Verizon than my wimax is on Sprint. In addition, finding a spot where Verizon didn't have coverage was rare. It is unfortunate that they started throttling.
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kingsway8605 said:
Speeds vary greatly depending on location, congestion, and capacity.
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Hence the word average.

Beejis said:
I'll take decent Sprint speeds with cheaper service anyday. Once Sprint gets their **** together, their speeds will be just as good if not better than Verizons on 3g. 4g is nice, but unless you are tethering it, it really doesn't make a difference when you are browsing the web on your phone.
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Lmao, decent sprint speed? I love my phone but sprints network makes me miss T-Mobile on a daily basis... My 3G was just as fast as sprints 4G and that not even close to an exaggeration... Sprint network as a whole is abysmal and the only reason they beat out AT&T in customer satisfaction is because big blues customer service is worse then sprints network. If sprint was GSM I would take my ass back to magenta who I only left because I was afraid of the merger... That being said my phone makes me happy enough not to pay the etf and I only have good things to say about sprints customer service (from my experiences with them)
Rant over lol
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I was with Verizon for 2 years before the EVO 4G. Not a hitch, always had 4 or 5 bars, now i get 2 max with Sprint (same location). Speeds with Verizon were better too hands down. Sprint had their bad days where the internet would have made no difference if it were completely dead or producing less than 15kb/s. Unfortunately, i was stuck on those 15kb/s days in jersey. However, when i first switched to Sprint with the EVO 4g, data and signal were FLAWLESS. i honestly don't know what happened to Sprint now...

End of Life for WIMax

Does that means there will be no new towers installed in areas like Indianapolis. Guess we will get pushed to the back of the line for the LTE service as well.

riggs170 said:
Does that means there will be no new towers installed in areas like Indianapolis. Guess we will get pushed to the back of the line for the LTE service as well.
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this has been beaten to death already. it is very unlikely any new towers will be added... and certainly not in an area where this is no wimax at all. a few towns might see some new protection sites but thats about it.
wimax will work until at least 2015... so you have 3 full years to get some use out of it when you can.

I could be wrong but I don't think clearwire is done with wimax yet.
Although they do it at a turtles pace they are still expanding last I saw.

lafester said:
I could be wrong but I don't think clearwire is done with wimax yet.
Although they do it at a turtles pace they are still expanding last I saw.
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clear wire is also switching to lte as well. sprint gave them millions of dollar to help them switch over. clearwire is also ditching the efforts of wimaxes..
i just hope sprint is quick about lte rollouts. with lightsquare not being able to produce lte for sprint, they need to be quick with an alternatives

Thanks for the response, really what to use the 4g I get teased with it constantly while traveling and can't seem to find clear answers on news relating to these things

Clearwire will do some maintenance and minor additions here or there (to fulfill license requirements), but there will be no more major expansion. The existing Wimax network will be continued until at least 2015. Beginning in 2013, Clearwire's LTE network will be turned on in key cities to supplement Sprint's LTE network.

autoprime said:
this has been beaten to death already. it is very unlikely any new towers will be added... and certainly not in an area where this is no wimax at all. a few towns might see some new protection sites but thats about it.
wimax will work until at least 2015... so you have 3 full years to get some use out of it when you can.
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I'm just asking here, didn't they say they are not making anymore wiimax phones?
If they aren't making any more phones what incentive do they have to make more wiimax towers?
*My own opinion Damn it*
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moeinyoho said:
I'm just asking here, didn't they say they are not making anymore wiimax phones?
If they aren't making any more phones what incentive do they have to make more wiimax towers?
*My own opinion Damn it*
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correct, no more wimax phones. there is no incentive to add any more towers. if any towers do go up they will be protection sites. altho according to the following site explaining protection sites... they were to be finished by 2011
http://s4gru.spruz.com/forums/?page...3745&fid=CDD46982-E4AC-458A-913A-E5BE9C484E3D
but as i said before.. if you arent in a wimax area now.. you wont be getting it. those who are in a coverage area.. enjoy it until 2015. unlimited 4mbps(on avg) mobile internet is pretty rad.

Correct me if I'm wrong, clearwire is already an established lte provider?
So it wouldn't be long until we have good lte coverage?
Yes, no lol
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moeinyoho said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, clearwire is already an established lte provider?
So it wouldn't be long until we have good lte coverage?
Yes, no lol
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Clearwire does not have enough money to make the capital expenditures (which is why 4G Wimax was halted). Instead, beginning in 2013, Clearwire's LTE network will be turned on in key cities ("hotspots") to supplement Sprint's LTE network.

This news really effing pisses me off. I buy this phone hopeing that in a year or a few months from now that 4g would come to my city. And they just say "Oh well, sorry, we are not going to do that bit anymore"?
Why aren't people more pissed off about this?
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crzchn said:
This news really effing pisses me off. I buy this phone hopeing that in a year or a few months from now that 4g would come to my city. And they just say "Oh well, sorry, we are not going to do that bit anymore"?
Why aren't people more pissed off about this?
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Because Sprint is awesome. Bask in its awesomeness! Bask! Bask, I tell you!
In all seriousness, what is Sprint to do? They are now in the position that they need to change to LTE for its 4G technology. WiMax is dying. For those of us who bought WiMax devices before we had WiMax service (me included), we took a risk. It didn't pay off.
Given the position Sprint currently is in, they are doing the right things. Network Vision and LTE.
- Robert, Sprint 4G Rollout Updates

NMherron said:
Because Sprint is awesome. Bask in its awesomeness! Bask! Bask, I tell you!
In all seriousness, what is Sprint to do? They are now in the position that they need to change to LTE for its 4G technology. WiMax is dying. For those of us who bought WiMax devices before we had WiMax service (me included), we took a risk. It didn't pay off.
Given the position Sprint currently is in, they are doing the right things. Network Vision and LTE.
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What is Sprint to do? How about offering early upgrades to an LTE phone without penalties?
And I did not take a risk, I signed a contract. Contacts exist to negate risk. I also asked them if 4g would be available in a specific area and they said yes. Now they say no. This change happened in a matter of months. Sprint took a risk and more they are pushing the cost of that failed risk on to its customers.
All I know is when they get 4g lte in an area I live in I will tell them that my 4g will not connect and have then replace it with an lte phone.
Wimax is not dieing, sprint is killing it. Big difference.
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crzchn said:
What is Sprint to do? How about offering early upgrades to an LTE phone without penalties?
And I did not take a risk, I signed a contract. Contacts exist to negate risk. I also asked them if 4g would be available in a specific area and they said yes. Now they say no. This change happened in a matter of months. Sprint took a risk and more they are pushing the cost of that failed risk on to its customers.
All I know is when they get 4g lte in an area I live in I will tell them that my 4g will not connect and have then replace it with an lte phone.
Wimax is not dieing, sprint is killing it. Big difference.
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I like that idea of lte upgrades with no penalty. However i highly doubt they will go for it cause they need you to fullfill a 2yr contract to cover the cost of the highly marked down hand sets included in a 2yr contract. It would be soo sick though if they executed your idea! Why arnt people mad like you are ( other guys post not you crzchn) is for differeny reaons. I beleive most people if not all have the right to be and most should be. But for some one like me ( lives in hawaii) i bought this device knowing it woulsnt see 4g for years if ever. So i was already under the impression that i wouldnt get it so im not dissapointed. Even though the reps said i would get it i knew better than he did. I look forward to ICS because it wont be restricted to location since the net is everywhere. That is a realistic possibility im happy for. Besides my island is so tiny that there arnt lots of people hogging the towers so i average 1Mb/sec
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Given how iit takes nearly a year for sprint to make money on each consumer as they take a huge hit oon every phone they discount, and how they are hurting for money as is... not happening. We knew that wimax was dying for nearly a year now, no news there. At least Sprint still allows unlimited data, as well as no BS fees like Verizon. Not to mention they are doing major upgrades to our network, specifically 3g.
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What is Sprint to do? How about offering early upgrades to an LTE phone without penalties?
And I did not take a risk, I signed a contract. Contacts exist to negate risk. I also asked them if 4g would be available in a specific area and they said yes. Now they say no. This change happened in a matter of months. Sprint took a risk and more they are pushing the cost of that failed risk on to its customers.
All I know is when they get 4g lte in an area I live in I will tell them that my 4g will not connect and have then replace it with an lte phone.
Wimax is not dieing, sprint is killing it. Big difference.
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crzchn said:
This news really effing pisses me off. I buy this phone hopeing that in a year or a few months from now that 4g would come to my city. And they just say "Oh well, sorry, we are not going to do that bit anymore"?
Why aren't people more pissed off about this?
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Because this is old news and we all knew about it before buying a new device.

lafester said:
Because this is old news and we all knew about it before buying a new device.
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I didnt know that when i bought mine. Im not a supet geek
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You don't have to be a "geek" to know how to read...... Just saying
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lafester said:
Because this is old news and we all knew about it before buying a new device.
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Sorry, that is just bull donkey. I asked them about expanding in Tucson and they said they were. Now they say they are not. Why should I expect any different?
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moeinyoho said:
You don't have to be a "geek" to know how to read...... Just saying
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Read what? This?
http://m.electronista.com/iphone/articles/11/07/13/sprint.and.clearwire.expand.4g.network/
Or this?
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Spri...-so-called-4G-networks-to-more-cities_id12976
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Sprint 3G finally improving?

So I have been horribly frustrated with sprints 3G speeds since I got my epic. I live in metro Detroit. (Fairly large sprint market) and have averaged around 50-75kbps DL. With a 600ms+ ping. And there is ZERO wimax anywhere. I was getting fed up. Until over the last month or so I have seen 600%+ increase in speeds. I now average closer to 500kbps DL with a 111ping. And I have even had consistent tests of 1mb DL. Could this be the first fruits of network vision? Or other tower upgrades? Or somehow less traffic. I had considered it could be the newer ROM/modem. (CM10/FH13). Has anyone else seen recent speed increases?
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cknuth said:
So I have been horribly frustrated with sprints 3G speeds since I got my epic. I live in metro Detroit. (Fairly large sprint market) and have averaged around 50-75kbps DL. With a 600ms+ ping. And there is ZERO wimax anywhere. I was getting fed up. Until over the last month or so I have seen 600%+ increase in speeds. I now average closer to 500kbps DL with a 111ping. And I have even had consistent tests of 1mb DL. Could this be the first fruits of network vision? Or other tower upgrades? Or somehow less traffic. I had considered it could be the newer ROM/modem. (CM10/FH13). Has anyone else seen recent speed increases?
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yeah man here in st pete i finally saw a consistent 1 meg down and i was inside ( but near a window) the network map said theres about to be another speed increase here its usually a lie tho.... i doubt its anything permanent sprint fails im moving to straight talk once its all over but im supposed to have lte in my area at the end of my contract and i got employee plan pricing if i have lte at my house then ill keep them if not oh well. could network vision not just be a giant false marketing scheme?
edit well i just did a speed test and im back to the usual 300kbs lol lucky i pay a dial up price and get dial up service XD so i guess not. sprints the most useless unlimited ever. Even living in a wimax area the wimax sucks everywhere but the beach. ( where i dont even need wimax)

I have 5+ months horrible experience with Sprint 3G speed after last two days on roaming service came back this morning better than ever from 0.09Mbps download to 0.89Mbps download huge improvement sadly it last till this evening when service cut off came back horrible as always. :banghead:
At least I know they are working on it.
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Whatever spring says "network vision" is. Clearly they are trying to or want to improve their service. One area they are strong, customer service. But their tech(except phones) sucks. So the question for me is, just like the first guy who replied. Is if they can get LTE working by the time my contract is up. Or at least get 3g solidly above 1mb.. then I would stay no question.
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Whatever spring says "network vision" is. Clearly they are trying to or want to improve their service. One area they are strong, customer service. But their tech(except phones) sucks. So the question for me is, just like the first guy who replied. Is if they can get LTE working by the time my contract is up. Or at least get 3g solidly above 1mb.. then I would stay no question.
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+1, I have 1 year left on my contract. Next July I will re-evaluate sprint and see how things are going. If sprint stepped up to the plate then bonus I will stay but if its the same ol song and dance crap I am gone. Maybe this xmas I will do that re-evaluate of sprint and see what is up and just maybe I might buy off the rest of my contract, pay a etf and jump ship. But having to pay a extra 10 bucks a month just because of a smart phone crap aka 4g is bull**** considering sprint does not have wimax, 4g, lte or what ever here where I live and 3g is absolutly slower than dial up modem speeds.

Well Sprint Vision says that in the next 6 months a tower will basically be put in my backyard, according to their map. My contract is up in 12 months, I'll make a decision then.

I get 8kb/s out here in Toledo....
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Mine has picked up in some areas the past few weeks but its still crap in other areas and at random times. Its also still much slower than 3G from any other carrier. My Sprint 3G speeds are often similar to Tmobile Edge speeds I had 4 years ago but Edge was more consistent.

Every week my 3G speed changes, today I am getting less than 100kbps when last week or so I was getting almost 600. I am hoping this is due to them upgrading the towers and that is causing the inconsistencies.

Are you using updated maps to see this info or are you just using the maps on Sprint's website?

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So I have been horribly frustrated with sprints 3G speeds since I got my epic. I live in metro Detroit. (Fairly large sprint market) and have averaged around 50-75kbps DL. With a 600ms+ ping. And there is ZERO wimax anywhere. I was getting fed up. Until over the last month or so I have seen 600%+ increase in speeds. I now average closer to 500kbps DL with a 111ping. And I have even had consistent tests of 1mb DL. Could this be the first fruits of network vision? Or other tower upgrades? Or somehow less traffic. I had considered it could be the newer ROM/modem. (CM10/FH13). Has anyone else seen recent speed increases?
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Pretty sure they've actually, finally, started work on Network Vision for our area.
We're supposed to be apart of the network vision plan for the second half of 2012.
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/212-network-visionlte-deployment-running-list/

mattykinsx said:
Pretty sure they've actually, finally, started work on Network Vision for our area.
We're supposed to be apart of the network vision plan for the second half of 2012.
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/212-network-visionlte-deployment-running-list/
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If they do manage to get LTE going by next summer I'll for sure stick around. Prolly with the 2nd nexus device if possible.
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If they do manage to get LTE going by next summer I'll for sure stick around. Prolly with the 2nd nexus device if possible.
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I practically guarantee they will by then.
Personally I'm more concerned about getting 3g speeds in the 1.5 - 3 mbps range and the improved service that comes with Network Vision.
Really couldn't care less for LTE/Wimax with that. :silly:

Same crappy speed here.

metro Detroit here too, and I haven't noticed any increase. For some reason my phone now roams constantly. Hopefully not so much that they terminate my contract and force me to jump on T-Mobiles new deal.

3G still sucks here ...
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Rob the plumber said:
metro Detroit here too, and I haven't noticed any increase. For some reason my phone now roams constantly. Hopefully not so much that they terminate my contract and force me to jump on T-Mobiles new deal.
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My friends from the bay area (California) started roaming when their towers were being upgraded so it could be a could sign. Here S4GRU website says you guys are should be upgraded soon:
S4GRU Detriot

I'm only with them for the price an unlimited...
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I'm only with them for the price an unlimited...
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That's what I'm saying. I'll stick it out for the prospect of unlimited 4g...
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Metro Detroit here as well... Get the FH13 modem, you won't be disappointed
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Bad reception - my phone or sprint?

I know this question may only apply to me, but I've always wondered about the answer.
I've been in sprint for over 10 years and the epic touch is my 3rd android phone. No matter where I am in the country and what modem is have running on my phone, I've always had very poor reception.
I'm at the point of changing phones and providers because the issue is so bad.
Does sprint really still suck or is it my phone?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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chuhsi said:
I know this question may only apply to me, but I've always wondered about the answer.
I've been in sprint for over 10 years and the epic touch is my 3rd android phone. No matter where I am in the country and what modem is have running on my phone, I've always had very poor reception.
I'm at the point of changing phones and providers because the issue is so bad.
Does sprint really still suck or is it my phone?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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IMO, Sprint is not the best carrier for reception in all areas, but they are one of the least expensive considering they still have an unlimited plan. You could change the PRL to roam on other carrier's towers, but if you use too much data you can have your contract cancelled I hear.

Might be your phone /area
I myself have great 3g and 4G with sprint.. But then again I'm in a popular area
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MiguelHogue said:
Might be your phone /area
I myself have great 3g and 4G with sprint.. But then again I'm in a popular area
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Sounds like the area.. Unfortunatly... If modems don't make it better, then it's just the coverage around there. I live in a Non 4G area so i'm still wondering what that is like.

Another one of these threads?..... Seriously?
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milky1112 said:
Sounds like the area.. Unfortunatly... If modems don't make it better, then it's just the coverage around there. I live in a Non 4G area so i'm still wondering what that is like.
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Wait so do you still pay extra for the 4G? If so that sucks
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MiguelHogue said:
Wait so do you still pay extra for the 4G? If so that sucks
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Is a frogs ass water tight? Of course. They get their money from my family. Nature of the beast i guess
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Wait so do you still pay extra for the 4G? If so that sucks
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Yes, and to get around that $10 fee, it is now called data fee instead of 4G fee. I heard that when they were calling it the 4g fee in areas that did not have 4g there was a class action law suit brewing.

My phone gets similar reception to wife's HTC and friends iPhones on Sprint. Visit a Sprint store that also does service and compare to other phones. Maybe yours has a bad radio?

Maybe I'll bring my phone to test my radio. I travel the nation and am always in a major city (San Francisco, New York, Chicago, etc). As soon as I walk into a building, my reception goes to pretty much zero.

Sounds a bit extreme. Only time I notice reception that bad is walking into one of the walmarts here that must block cell service. I live in a fairly crappy service area too. 97504 if you want to take a look for yourself
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chuhsi said:
Maybe I'll bring my phone to test my radio. I travel the nation and am always in a major city (San Francisco, New York, Chicago, etc). As soon as I walk into a building, my reception goes to pretty much zero.
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Well that's your problem. Concrete + steel beams tend to block out higher end frequencies like 1ghz+ freq's like our 1900mhz cdma & 2.5ghz wimax. No solution to that until you get LTE 800 and CDMA-1x advanced @ 800mgz

I've had 5 phones with Sprint in Minneapolis. My E4GT has the weakest signal of any of them.

Speeds in my area at least seems to be better. 3g speeds/reception at my job went from unusable to being able to stream netflix/youtube vids easily. But yea the E4GT like others have said doesn't have the best built-in radio.

Bannjio said:
Sounds a bit extreme. Only time I notice reception that bad is walking into one of the walmarts here that must block cell service. I live in a fairly crappy service area too. 97504 if you want to take a look for yourself
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Isn't that Medford,OR? I use to live there. Yes, it is very bad in there. T-Mobile is way worse though. Have you tried T-Mobile service? oh god.

Maybe it's finally time to switch to Verizon or at&t versus just getting a note 2 on sprint. Being the only person without cell reception when I'm with a group of people is getting too lame.
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Febby said:
Isn't that Medford,OR? I use to live there. Yes, it is very bad in there. T-Mobile is way worse though. Have you tried T-Mobile service? oh god.
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Yep! I have used T-Mobile in the past, and yes, it was even worse haha. Amazingly, they are currently the best here . Verizon will soon be number one though as they just launched lte here yesterday! Sprint has one upgrade planned in the next 6 months...sigh. I've already accepted that wimax won't be coming here. Sucks for clearwire...maybe lte someday
OP do you know anyone else with our phone? I would be interested to know if it is the phone in general or specifically your phone.
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Yep! I have used T-Mobile in the past, and yes, it was even worse haha. Amazingly, they are currently the best here . Verizon will soon be number one though as they just launched lte here yesterday! Sprint has one upgrade planned in the next 6 months...sigh. I've already accepted that wimax won't be coming here. Sucks for clearwire...maybe lte someday
OP do you know anyone else with our phone? I would be interested to know if it is the phone in general or specifically your phone.
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I have a feeling Clearwire LTE will arrive in Medford, as clear does operate the 2.5/2.6ghz (not sure which) but only that it was for pre-wimax devices and never got around to updated the towers to the newer wimax system due to money issues, but, at least once clearwire starts updating to LTE towers, just maybe they will remember this cities.
source: http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/entry-188-clearwire-is-abandoning-
Did verizon really get LTE out there? I wonder if its out near the brookhurst st high school area. I use to go out there a lot frequently as family lives there. Thanks for the information.

chuhsi said:
I know this question may only apply to me, but I've always wondered about the answer.
I've been in sprint for over 10 years and the epic touch is my 3rd android phone. No matter where I am in the country and what modem is have running on my phone, I've always had very poor reception.
I'm at the point of changing phones and providers because the issue is so bad.
Does sprint really still suck or is it my phone?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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You're holding it wrong.