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Dinc2 vs iPhone 4

Okay guys I know many xda'ers don't hold apple in high regard but my girlfriend is looking to upgrade her blackberry soon. I would just like some opinions of the dinc2 and if anyone has used an ip4 as well and how do they compare? Hows the camera and video capture on dinc2? Also most likely I will be rooting her phone if she gets the dinc2 because she loves miui and wondering how easy it is to root it, Ive read the alpharev thread and I think I have the gist of it. Thanks any thoughts and opinions would be awesome.
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chewbz said:
Okay guys I know many xda'ers don't hold apple in high regard but my girlfriend is looking to upgrade her blackberry soon. I would just like some opinions of the dinc2 and if anyone has used an ip4 as well and how do they compare? Hows the camera and video capture on dinc2? Also most likely I will be rooting her phone if she gets the dinc2 because she loves miui and wondering how easy it is to root it, Ive read the alpharev thread and I think I have the gist of it. Thanks any thoughts and opinions would be awesome.
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I have chick friends that love the inc2, and I have chick friends that love the iphone4, depends on what she or U lol plan to do to it, root, jailbreak, ect..or nothing. if she wants basic go apple. if you want great community support go android.

Its not like android would be particularly difficult to get the hang of, hell my grandpa uses a Droid X. The iPhone isn't going to do anything the inc 2 can't, at this point I think people buy apple due to the perceived status.
And rooting is very simple, its not "one-click" easy, but if you're computer literate its easy. Literally takes a couple minutes once you're ready to go.

I do like the design of apple products but the company and its beloved followers I can't stand. In the end it is up to her but she weighs a lot on my opinion and told her I would ask the fine people at xda as well lol! Also I am cashing out 100 dollars to help pay for it too, and since I got a nexus, I'm hoping she pics the dinc2 .
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chewbz said:
I do like the design of apple products but the company and its beloved followers I can't stand. In the end it is up to her but she weighs a lot on my opinion and told her I would ask the fine people at xda as well lol! Also I am cashing out 100 dollars to help pay for it too, and since I got a nexus, I'm hoping she pics the dinc2 .
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Put it this way. you can get an iPhone and be stuck with iOS and whatever memory size you happen to choose forever (not to mention feel bitter once the next iPhone comes out).
Or you can get the more recent, more technically advanced DInc2, and be able interchange SD cards and Batteries, and switch HTC Sense, AOSP, or MIUI (which is basically iOS, except better because you can use widgets and everything else that makes Android awesome). In my opinion, if you fall prey to the flashy logos, sleek design and massive marketing and ignore the obvious advantages of the HTC android phones, then you deserve to be pigeon-holed in with the mouth-breathers that stand outside the Apple Store all night waiting for the iPad 3 to come out so it can (not) run flash up to 3X faster!

The only problem is I wouldn't get too excited about rooting the Inc2 off the jump because if you get one now it's likely to come with Gingerbread (unless one has been sitting on a shelf for a bit). If you get one, you better get it quick. Froyo had the only known root method and no telling how long it'll take to crack Gingerbread
That said, even in the situation that I didn't root, I have the Incredible 2 and I'd take it over the iPhone easily. HTC sense is really not a bad UI at all, slower than AOSP of course but of all the manufacturer skins on top of Android, Sense UI is by far the most useful.
The biggest problem with the iPhone 4 (to me) is that it doesn't really multitask and the hardware is starting to get a bit dated. The iPhone 4 isn't "slow" by any means, but most modern Android phones will run circles around it. The Dinc2 has good battery life too, I have to absolutely abuse mine for it not to last a whole day easily
If you do happen to get one with Froyo, AlpharevX is as painless as it gets. S-off and it installs clockworkmod recovery for you if you elect to.

Thanks guys, told her what you guys said and she is like 100 % sure she wants the dinc2 Now I'm excited, I get to play with 2 phones, hopefully she'll get one with froyo. If not I can always install adw or go luancher if she doesn't like sense.
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If she's coming from Blackberry and uses a ton of photo/video out of the phone the iphone may be better for you.
I switched my wife over from an Inc 1 to the iPhone and she's in love with it. The camera is unrivaled to be brutally honest, it smokes any android phones camera and i'd love for my inc2 to have the same quality.
Basically she's not a tech person, she needed easy, something that took good pictures, and battery. The inc2 has great battery but still nowhere near the IP4.
I've owned both, and I would never personally go back to an iPhone, but for my wife it was perfect for her, and she would never give hers up.

chewbz said:
Thanks guys, told her what you guys said and she is like 100 % sure she wants the dinc2 Now I'm excited, I get to play with 2 phones, hopefully she'll get one with froyo. If not I can always install adw or go luancher if she doesn't like sense.
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If you get one with Gingerbread on it, you can still S-OFF using the clip method.

If you're getting it new from Verizon I can't think of why it wouldn't be on froyo, unless HTC is already shipping out new units with gingerbread. Just don't take the OTA if you want root.

yeah she told me that she "didn't want to fall to the hype of iphone" lol. She just wants a bigger screen, and she always carries around a point and shoot where ever she goes so camera i'snt really that big of a deal. Also the Dinc2 is 50 dollars less than the iphone at bestbuy. All in all she goes one week to make up her mind lol!

well, the way I see it is that an iphone 4 is pretty much an ipod touch that you can make calls with. the other advantage, which is the main one i'd say, is that if you have a nice sound system in your car and the deck has an AUX in then absolutely nothing can compare with the output quality of an ipod touch/iphone.
ive tried mp3 players from creative, sansa(even with rockbox), sony, etc... even tried different phones(mytouch 3g, htc hd2, samsung galaxy s, and my current incredible 2). no matter how you adjust the eq's or what apps you use(even poweramp), they still do not compare to apple.
but, if you arent planning on doing that in your car then theres no point in getting an iphone4(especially now that android has Plants vs Zombies).

Best advice when choosing a device:
Go to a store with active devices and play with them. Spend some time with them. If you know people with the devices in mind, ask them if you can play with them and get to know them. Make the choice based on your experience, not the advice of others, because it all comes down to personal preference.
As much as I am a big fan of Android and Android devices, and despite the fact that I will never choose an iOS device, I would recommend a person try it before rejecting it.
My sister tried going from a blackberry to an Android device and found one very big legitimate problem with it. She's on Sprint and doesn't have the iPhone as a choice so she went back to blackberry. She liked Android, but that one glaring flaw was enough to push her away from it (at least for now). Of course, the same flaw exists on the iPhone so she's doomed to be stuck on blackberry (yeah, I hate blackberry).
If you want to know the flaw: She can make calls and do certain tasks without looking at her device. With Android, she was unable to do this. I'm betting with something like a Droid Pro this wouldn't be an issue, and the voice command features Android has acquired more recently would help a little, but it's not where she could get as proficient at it as she is with her blackberry.

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If you want to know the flaw: She can make calls and do certain tasks without looking at her device. With Android, she was unable to do this. I'm betting with something like a Droid Pro this wouldn't be an issue, and the voice command features Android has acquired more recently would help a little, but it's not where she could get as proficient at it as she is with her blackberry.
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Just out of curiosity, what kind of certain tasks? Is it a difference between having physical buttons versus softkeys?
EDIT: NVM.. I think I figured out what you might be referring to. That's an issue I have as well, but voice is a big help in it (even if not 100%).

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Just out of curiosity, what kind of certain tasks? Is it a difference between having physical buttons versus softkeys?
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Something like that. It's mostly a problem with her particular usage. She gets tactile feedback for what she is trying to do and can generally get things done without looking at her device. She's a pretty big multitasker so this is important to her. Unfortunately, this also helps her use her device in the car (I wish she wouldn't TBH).

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Something like that. It's mostly a problem with her particular usage. She gets tactile feedback for what she is trying to do and can generally get things done without looking at her device. She's a pretty big multitasker so this is important to her. Unfortunately, this also helps her use her device in the car (I wish she wouldn't TBH).
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Tactile feel = knowing keyboard layout. I was real good at punching out emails on my 9700 without looking at it for most of the email. Same with the car use, which I definitely no longer do (despite the fact that it is now also illegal here).
Curiosity answered.. Thanks.

[Q]Worry about slow Development?

So I am sure I am not the only person who has (or had) a Vibrant. I am sure the development that is being done on the SGS2 is quality, but there isn't much in the way of quantity (which doesn't always mean much). Am I justified at all in worrying about all this? Does everyone feel satisfied with the amount of development going on for what is still a relatively new phone?
I was considering the Galaxy Nexus, just for the faster updates and solidarity (as opposed to having a different CPU than other similar phones), however the SGS2 hardware is tempting.
I am trying to tell myself that with ICS I can hang onto my Vibrant a bit longer to wait for more options and such, but I want a new phone so bad, and right now the only obvious phone I can pick up easily is the GS2. I am just hesitant after the fiasco with the Vibrant. It's also been so long that it seems like I could wait it out just a tiny bit longer and get the next gen stuff.
(I know the argument about how you can always wait longer, but it has been months since the GS2 landed in the US and it will probably be a month before I am ready to buy a new phone with the holiday season upon us)

Unless you are willing to buy a Euro version of the Nexus outright, you'll be waiting atleast several months for it to be released by tmo. Not to mention if it comes spec'd the same as the vzw version, you won't have expandable memory. Cyanogen is actively devving for this phone and once we get ICS, I think it will be very competitive with the GN.
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What about the low resolution of the phone? Can that be addressed by a new ROM or ICS?

No it can't be changed. You can mess with the density to make it look HD but I don't notice anything "low" about our resolution as it is. I love this phone.
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It is by no means low resolution.
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rbenz said:
What about the low resolution of the phone? Can that be addressed by a new ROM or ICS?
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all the HD games tittle you see advertized are for our current resolution 480x800
480x800 has been considered HD for the longest time, for the past 3 years. it is a standard that all game developer codes for
if you read over the Galaxy Nexus forum the 720 resolution is causing havok on a lot of apps and games...
so go figure
on a side note, here some food for thoughts
DVD quality = 480x800
Blueray 1.0 quality = 720x1280
Blueray 2.0 quality = 1280x1080

degeneration said:
I was considering the Galaxy Nexus, just for the faster updates and solidarity (as opposed to having a different CPU than other similar phones), however the SGS2 hardware is tempting.
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read this while you are still considering it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1362556
also there's an existing topic about SGN vs SGS2 T989 right here in the forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1372420

Galaxy nexus will be released in 3 days. I'm also tempted in using buyers remorse for the nexus. The sgs2 hardware is better IMHO. We'll be getting ics. Early 2012 we just gotta wait for a driver leak.
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well in Canada the GN is going to be released tomorrow http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19918706
but i'm not crazy enough to go line up for the first day of launch
specially when i'm not even in the mood to get that bug ridden phone, perhaps when they add microSD and a Quad core SOC to it, i'll probably go for it

To me it came down to cost. I had been waiting to upgrade my vibrant to the nexus prime forever. But word is that the nexus prime will cost $299 with full discount which means not only will I have to pay more per month to switch to verizon (currently paying $50 a month for unlimited with no contract), I would also have to pay more out of pocket for the initial device purchase (Ended up getting my GS2 for $380 new in box still no contract from craigslist)
That finally pushed me to go ahead and get a GS2.
I am still very concerned about ICS support. I also felt like the vibrant got screwed on gingerbread (GPS, bluetooth, and camera still suck on GB roms) so I am extremely worried about how ICS will end up. But I am fairly confident that ICS will eventually be released for the device officially (it will be later than they claim)

Something people overlook is that the Galaxy S2 is THE best selling Android phone of all time. That means that it's going to be the de facto for Android development for some time to come. Developers will want to make apps that run well specifically on this phone. Remember, just because faster, more powerful phones are on the horizon doesn't mean that the GS2 will be obsolete any time soon.
I have no doubt that it will also be an overall better phone than the Nexus once it gets ICS. Yes the 720p display on the Nexus is nice, but unnecessary. It's a 4.65 inch screen, for Pete's sake. If you doubt the GS2 screen, just go to your local t-mobile shop and pick one up. Your doubts will be put to rest.

OriginalMemnock said:
Something people overlook is that the Galaxy S2 is THE best selling Android phone of all time. That means that it's going to be the de facto for Android development for some time to come. Developers will want to make apps that run well specifically on this phone. Remember, just because faster, more powerful phones are on the horizon doesn't mean that the GS2 will be obsolete any time soon.
I have no doubt that it will also be an overall better phone than the Nexus once it gets ICS. Yes the 720p display on the Nexus is nice, but unnecessary. It's a 4.65 inch screen, for Pete's sake. If you doubt the GS2 screen, just go to your local t-mobile shop and pick one up. Your doubts will be put to rest.
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I think you mean "THE Galaxy S2", on Tmobile we find ourselves with a significantly different phone yet again. At least this time there is only one on Tmobile. However with different processors on our phones it won't be as simple to translate development over (however being that its a Qualcomm it seems likely that it will be pretty simple all the same, but I have no idea).
My point was it doesn't matter what carrier you are on or what country you are in if I get a GSM GN (possibly excluding VZW).
I know that people here are going to probably defend the SGS2 because that's what they have, but no one has really answered my question and instead commented on my thoughts.
There doesn't seem to be a LOT of development (I have the assumption based on the opinions that what is there is high quality though).
Furthermore, I am not on contract, so I get no discounts on phones, making the GN only about 100 bucks more than the SGS2.
Pointing out the GN flaws is a good call, I haven't been keeping up with that and mostly watching this forum as, like I mentioned, the appeal that I can walk on down to the store and get one makes it a possible buy.
The SD card is something I would prefer, but I don't need. I was prepared to go down to 16gb but hoping for a 32gb.
The major appeal is how many people are still happy with their Nexus S. The Nexus phones just have a longer life span because they come out about once a year and Google supports them.
Some other phones get a similar treatment, but it seems to be a higher risk. Samsung has already mentioned they are working on the SGS3, meaning SGS3 updates will come even slower (I presume though that there is probably still AT LEAST most of a year before we start to see them). I just like the idea of carrying around a little Google baby.
And I am not saying anything bad about the SGS2, I am just skeptical after the whole Vibrant thing (or the SGS in general since as far as I heard GB isn't on most devices, and those that got it got it way late). The hardware looks amazing, and honestly I like the idea of the captive buttons vs only virtual buttons (I like my menu button tyvm). If CM9 is out and I haven't upgraded I will probably go for the SGS2 and put CM9 on it right away, but otherwise I will be worried about the software. Seems like it took a little hollering to get CM support (I could be misunderstanding that thread), so what happens with CM10+? I suppose there will be developers who will porting stuff over, probably.
So that's that. I figure most of this post is futile any way as it seems people get a little defensive about their choices and get upset when you make counter points. I suppose that is somewhat helpful though as it does still compare things, just one sided.
I will end up probably reading one thing online somewhere that will randomly cause me to make up my mind and then just be blissfully ignorant of what I am missing. So oh wells. Thanks for the input so far guys.

degeneration said:
I think you mean "THE Galaxy S2", on Tmobile we find ourselves with a significantly different phone yet again. At least this time there is only one on Tmobile. However with different processors on our phones it won't be as simple to translate development over (however being that its a Qualcomm it seems likely that it will be pretty simple all the same, but I have no idea).
My point was it doesn't matter what carrier you are on or what country you are in if I get a GSM GN (possibly excluding VZW).
I know that people here are going to probably defend the SGS2 because that's what they have, but no one has really answered my question and instead commented on my thoughts.
There doesn't seem to be a LOT of development (I have the assumption based on the opinions that what is there is high quality though).
Furthermore, I am not on contract, so I get no discounts on phones, making the GN only about 100 bucks more than the SGS2.
Pointing out the GN flaws is a good call, I haven't been keeping up with that and mostly watching this forum as, like I mentioned, the appeal that I can walk on down to the store and get one makes it a possible buy.
The SD card is something I would prefer, but I don't need. I was prepared to go down to 16gb but hoping for a 32gb.
The major appeal is how many people are still happy with their Nexus S. The Nexus phones just have a longer life span because they come out about once a year and Google supports them.
Some other phones get a similar treatment, but it seems to be a higher risk. Samsung has already mentioned they are working on the SGS3, meaning SGS3 updates will come even slower (I presume though that there is probably still AT LEAST most of a year before we start to see them). I just like the idea of carrying around a little Google baby.
And I am not saying anything bad about the SGS2, I am just skeptical after the whole Vibrant thing (or the SGS in general since as far as I heard GB isn't on most devices, and those that got it got it way late). The hardware looks amazing, and honestly I like the idea of the captive buttons vs only virtual buttons (I like my menu button tyvm). If CM9 is out and I haven't upgraded I will probably go for the SGS2 and put CM9 on it right away, but otherwise I will be worried about the software. Seems like it took a little hollering to get CM support (I could be misunderstanding that thread), so what happens with CM10+? I suppose there will be developers who will porting stuff over, probably.
So that's that. I figure most of this post is futile any way as it seems people get a little defensive about their choices and get upset when you make counter points. I suppose that is somewhat helpful though as it does still compare things, just one sided.
I will end up probably reading one thing online somewhere that will randomly cause me to make up my mind and then just be blissfully ignorant of what I am missing. So oh wells. Thanks for the input so far guys.
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I realize the hardware is different among the different carrier GS2's. What I was referring to is the overall specifications (dual core processor ~ 1.2-1.5 ghz, 1gig of ram, etc.) when I mentioned the developer support.
In regards to your concern about the screen, I can only tell you that I did a lot of shopping around, testing out different phones and the GS2 screen does not disappoint. IMO, it is overall better than the ones found in the Razr and Rezound, which both offer higher resolutions, so keep in mind that resolution isn't everything.
At this point just wait a couple days until the Nexus is out and give it a hands on. Until you have the device in your hand, you can't really tell how it's going to taste to you. I was infatuated with the Motorola Razr until I actually held one in my hand and hated just about everything about it. The super-thin profile felt terrible in my hands, the noticeable pixels on the screen were distracting, it got way too hot to hold up to my ear, other than the speakers and software (I actually like Moto-blur), it was a complete failure to me. So you never know until you try it.

OriginalMemnock said:
I realize the hardware is different among the different carrier GS2's. What I was referring to is the overall specifications (dual core processor ~ 1.2-1.5 ghz, 1gig of ram, etc.) when I mentioned the developer support.
In regards to your concern about the screen, I can only tell you that I did a lot of shopping around, testing out different phones and the GS2 screen does not disappoint. IMO, it is overall better than the ones found in the Razr and Rezound, which both offer higher resolutions, so keep in mind that resolution isn't everything.
At this point just wait a couple days until the Nexus is out and give it a hands on. Until you have the device in your hand, you can't really tell how it's going to taste to you. I was infatuated with the Motorola Razr until I actually held one in my hand and hated just about everything about it. The super-thin profile felt terrible in my hands, the noticeable pixels on the screen were distracting, it got way too hot to hold up to my ear, other than the speakers and software (I actually like Moto-blur), it was a complete failure to me. So you never know until you try it.
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Thanks, but someone else mentioned the screen, not me. I am not worried about the screen, it would have the same resolution as my current phone so I wouldn't know the difference.
Any way, you may have understood this but it was ambiguous: Yes I know the hardware specs are nice (I believe I stated that they were potentially better) but more people would have the exact same GN as opposed to people with the exact same SGS2. It might not matter though, I have no developing experience (I considered it, but I barely passed my Java course 6 years ago) so I might be wrong in thinking that it will be hard to work with stuff for the international one and put it on the tmobile version. I mean it might be simple if it's just drivers since qualcomm drivers would not be hard to find.
Furthermore, I am already being spoiled with ICS and just want it now.
The thing is, the reason I ask here instead of in the GN forum is that I really want to want the SGS2 (well, and people here have looked as the GN where as people there might have never looked at -specifically- the tmobile sgs2). I am actually likely to walk into a tmobile store and walk out with a phone over the winter break, and I don't think I would be able to help myself if there was a stable ICS rom by then.
BUT the fact that Nexuses last so long makes me wonder if I will be whimpering about how I could have got one and didn't, then again the next nexus will be starting to solidify by then.

Regarding the CM10 bit...
The good news is that once a Device is officially in a previous generation of CM, for example all devices on CM6 are automatically included in CM7 and when CM9 is out, all the CM7 devices will get CM9
so in a way, it's a better guaranteed than stock ICS from Google which only goes as far back as 1 year of support, even the Nexus ONE got removed from Google's support list, in the end the Dev had to make their own PORT / build of ICS for Nexus One, as the regular ICS is not hardware compatible according to Google.
so if our device gets supported officially in CM7 and CM9, it will automatically be included in CM10

AllGamer said:
Regarding the CM10 bit...
The good news is that once a Device is officially in a previous generation of CM, for example all devices on CM6 are automatically included in CM7 and when CM9 is out, all the CM7 devices will get CM9
so in a way, it's a better guaranteed than stock ICS from Google which only goes as far back as 1 year of support, even the Nexus ONE got removed from Google's support list, in the end the Dev had to make their own PORT / build of ICS for Nexus One, as the regular ICS is not hardware compatible according to Google.
so if our device gets supported officially in CM7 and CM9, it will automatically be included in CM10
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Then how come my G1 is only unofficially supported in cm7? They can stop supporting something, they might not, but they can. And if they just stop using a device, they aren't going to be able to continue working on it. For instance I heard rumor that the Vibrant will no longer be officially supported, and it only got 7/7.1...
What they say is as long as they support it they will continue to do what they can, but they do drop support on phones as they have to over time.

additional info for rbenz
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
As device screen resolution goes up, achieving a 60fps UI is closely related to GPU speed and especially the GPU’s memory bus bandwidth. In fact, if you want to get an idea of the performance of a piece of hardware, always pay close attention to the memory bus bandwidth. There are plenty of times where the CPU (especially with those wonderful NEON instructions) can go a lot faster than the memory bus.​
in that scenario i see more benefit to have 800x480 than the newer higher resolutions

i can understand your feeling completely
It would seem like everybody is either dodging or are too wrapped around the Euro-GS2 to answer your question...i myself have been wondering if there is going to be more custom roms, kernels & etc...i've heard that team whiskey & CM should be cooking roms real soon for the t-mobile galaxy s2. I do believe all this waiting is related to the qualcomm chip in the phone versus the exynos processor in all the other gs2 variants...I just hope this isn't gonna be like theyre doing just bc they don't wanna leave the t-mobile one out of development...but if you do test out the galaxy nexus and like it then go with it, one thing is true about those nexus phones, they are always the first to get those updates...it really comes down to what you want to do, wait a little bit for more roms or etc.

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Then how come my G1 is only unofficially supported in cm7? They can stop supporting something, they might not, but they can. And if they just stop using a device, they aren't going to be able to continue working on it. For instance I heard rumor that the Vibrant will no longer be officially supported, and it only got 7/7.1...
What they say is as long as they support it they will continue to do what they can, but they do drop support on phones as they have to over time.
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You have reservations strong enough that I would say dont get the SGSII, you wont be fully happy. Based on what you said, you should buy the unlocked galaxy nexus they are selling now ($800), or wait for the verizon version. You may regret not getting the SGSII, but I would hardly think that the Nexus would be significantly worse. If anything you would just regret paying more for a similar phone.

agree re: getting SGN instead of SGS2
specially when the OP did mention the lack of SD card is not a biggie
for me the lack of SD card was a major deal breaker, so the T989 was my only choice of good phone for AWS 1700+2100 networks

htc one x have i made the right choice ?

just ordered myself a htc one x in white, have i made a good decision i was torn between the iphone 4s or the nexus but i went into a vodafone uk store and they had a test phone had a play for a few mins and decided yes i will get my new handset saturday morning have i got the right phone.

Defo this phone is awesome and with OTA updates due itl be even better and when the roms start dropping itl be awesomness

andy1969 said:
just ordered myself a htc one x in white, have i made a good decision i was torn between the iphone 4s or the nexus but i went into a vodafone uk store and they had a test phone had a play for a few mins and decided yes i will get my new handset saturday morning have i got the right phone.
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This is the One X forum. The only answer you will get here will be 'yes'. You are asking the converted!
(I have still yet to decide between this and the One S).

i have it and i must say it is very different to my old galaxy s2. big, gorgeous and beautiful in white. but there are things i am worried about. one the phone is already locked bootloader two would not have a clue how to root it even if i wanted to and three i need to get it a case
other than that great choice and when i put it on a surface i always make sure i am careful doing it

Yes it's excellent been playing with mine for last couple of hours and can't fault it. Too early to tell in terms of battery life but wow it's good. Even little things like the YouTubeHD videos look awesome far better compared to my galaxy. Notification light is a bliss, screen looks awesome, camera works well. Build quality is nice but will thoroughly test it all when I get some time.
With custom roms and kernels it will only get better.
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I hear that fruit brand that make a nice phone with some nice looking pages of tiles you can flick between and errr... FOLDERS! Well, what more do you want? True customisation.

Yes, we are a bit of a biased bunch here - BUT I will say that I had pretty damn high expectations of this phone, and it actually surpassed them. By some distance.
As far as this or the One S is concerned.. well... 16gb is not enough for me, and the Screen on the One X (Capitalised on purpose).... Oh the screen.....

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Yes, we are a bit of a biased bunch here - BUT I will say that I had pretty damn high expectations of this phone, and it actually surpassed them. By some distance.
As far as this or the One S is concerned.. well... 16gb is not enough for me, and the Screen on the One X (Capitalised on purpose).... Oh the screen.....
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On another forum there are iphone converts, GN converts, SGSII converts and all are happy with the One X. Of course again there is bias because these are all people who have already bought it
The screen is what threw me as well. I'd initially decided the One S given I was coming from a desire and it wasn't just a huge leap in size. Then I started seeing the reviews about the screens, people had done microscope shots showing the difference.... and i was sold
M.

When is the OTA update due and what's it for???? Hope it fixes the weird flickering. I get in browser and camera sometimes......

do me a favor guys please...look at the power button at the top. on the right side of the power button do you see like a little hole at the bottom of the button..kinda like the plastic power button is out of place? i know it is nothing and will be covered when using a case but i am kinda OCD with things like that and i just want to know it is not me just imagining things

sounds a good choice i must admit it does look sexy in white carnt wait to get mine.

andy1969 said:
sounds a good choice i must admit it does look sexy in white carnt wait to get mine.
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Sending my one back. Can hear the bloody thing rattling.
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Best android handset so far inmho but not perfect. Had note, nexus, 4s this year and one x beats them all. Few glitches but experienced glitches with all my handsets.
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Best android handset so far inmho but not perfect. Had note, nexus, 4s this year and one x beats them all. Few glitches but experienced glitched with all my handsets. In short good handset good choice.

riz157 said:
Best android handset so far inmho but not perfect. Had note, nexus, 4s this year and one x beats them all. Few glitches but experienced glitches with all my handsets.
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Best android handset so far inmho but not perfect. Had note, nexus, 4s this year and one x beats them all. Few glitches but experienced glitched with all my handsets. In short good handset good choice.
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Make sure it is not ratlling like a rattle. Lol
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NoobTerminator said:
do me a favor guys please...look at the power button at the top. on the right side of the power button do you see like a little hole at the bottom of the button..kinda like the plastic power button is out of place? i know it is nothing and will be covered when using a case but i am kinda OCD with things like that and i just want to know it is not me just imagining things
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I don't see the hole on mine, at most there is a really small gap next to the button at the front camera side but it doesn't sound like what you're talking about.

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I don't see the hole on mine, at most there is a really small gap next to the button at the front camera side but it doesn't sound like what you're talking about.
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I just noticed that the power button is abit loose on my phone. And when I shake the phone I can hear something rattling inside it. Looks like sending it back me thinks.
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Since I have not yet been converted, I would have to say, NO, you did not make the right choice. Pass on HTC's silly decision to make a phone that doesn't allow adding an SD card. My 16 month old HTC phone with 4GB of internal + 32GB of external barely stores my modest music collection without much room to spare for other things like lots of apps or picture/video storage. I would think that charging a premium for a quad core CPU and such a gorgeous screen, what moron decided to exclude external storage ability without designing in at least twice the memory they settled on? ... and I really do want to like this phone!! Maybe by the time I am ready to upgrade, HTC will realize their mistake and release a version with external storage ability. I mean, you already have to get into it to install a SIM right?

NoobTerminator said:
Make sure it is not ratlling like a rattle. Lol
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I do hear a little rattle like something is loose inside when I shake the phone, nothing loud but I can hear it. My old desire had the same but worse.
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Since I have not yet been converted, I would have to say, NO, you did not make the right choice. Pass on HTC's silly decision to make a phone that doesn't allow adding an SD card. My 16 month old HTC phone with 4GB of internal + 32GB of external barely stores my modest music collection without much room to spare for other things like lots of apps or picture/video storage. I would think that charging a premium for a quad core CPU and such a gorgeous screen, what moron decided to exclude external storage ability without designing in at least twice the memory they settled on? ... and I really do want to like this phone!! Maybe by the time I am ready to upgrade, HTC will realize their mistake and release a version with external storage ability. I mean, you already have to get into it to install a SIM right?
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32 gb in phone + 25 gb in cloud server is a lot of space imho.

Born Twitchy said:
I do hear a little rattle like something is loose inside when I shake the phone, nothing loud but I can hear it. My old desire had the same but worse.
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Do you think its worth sending it back then? I had my old iPhone 4 like that and it was rattling. Send it back and the replacement was fine. What you think buddy
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gruuvin said:
Since I have not yet been converted, I would have to say, NO, you did not make the right choice. Pass on HTC's silly decision to make a phone that doesn't allow adding an SD card. My 16 month old HTC phone with 4GB of internal + 32GB of external barely stores my modest music collection without much room to spare for other things like lots of apps or picture/video storage. I would think that charging a premium for a quad core CPU and such a gorgeous screen, what moron decided to exclude external storage ability without designing in at least twice the memory they settled on? ... and I really do want to like this phone!! Maybe by the time I am ready to upgrade, HTC will realize their mistake and release a version with external storage ability. I mean, you already have to get into it to install a SIM right?
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I think youll find most handsets are going down this root now with space constraints due to large processers, better cams etc and they will just tell you why do you need to store stuff on phone when it can be stored in cloud for easy access aswell

[Q] Switching to the Galaxy SIII (T-Mobile)?

I can't believe I'm starting such a blasphemous thread in a Nexus forum, but here it goes. Here's my short Android history to get a feel for where I'm at. I started with the HTC Sensation 4G last summer and was amazed how customizable Android was. Totally fell in love with the OS compared to iOS. Although I liked the custom roms and such, they were all the same (think sense), those that were different (AOSP/CM) all had broken stuff (bt/camera/etc). So to fix that I moved from the Sensation to the Galaxy Nexus to help quench my dev support envy. I digged the 720p display, larger screen, and no bloatware! It was hard for me to get over the 16gb internal storage though as I often keep HD movies on my phone and with all my apps that limits it to about 1 movie lol. For the past 6 months I've been struggling with storage space. I can make a CWM backup for a ROM, flash another, but before I back that up, I gotta delete the first one... You get the drift.
Then the SGS3 specs come out and it's a step up a lot of departments from the GN. Bigger screen real estate (yes, only .15" but more like .3" if you count the on screen buttons), much faster processor in the S4 chip, double the RAM (nice), better camera, bigger battery, and finally 32GB with the coveted SD card slot. So I got a 64gb card waiting to go in for a whopping 96gb's. Between both locations, I should be able to put most all of my music on my smartphone for once (I've been dying to do that since 2007) and have plenty of left over space for photos, movies, backups, etc... Oh, and the device will be HSPA+42 and in my area will be screaming fast. I get 7-9mbps down on the GN in my neighborhood and expect a ballpark of 15-25mbps down with the GSIII.
My only nagging thought is ROM support. At first, I'll just want to root and de-bloat with Titanium Backup so I can get my saved app data files transferred over from my GN. I'm sure Root will come fast, but what about REAL dev support? Do you guys think the Tmo version will essentially be the same as all other GSM S4 chipped SGSIII's? That's what I'm hoping for. Honestly, with all the bells and whistles of the SGSIII built into Touchwiz will there ever be a point where CM9 will include all that?
What I mean is this. I realized after some time with the Sensation that if you want all the manufacturer bells and whistles you gotta run a stock rom (or at least a modded Sense rom). The great thing about the Nexus is AOSP is stock. There aren't many bells and whistles. We get the added functionality from CM (or AOKP/etc...).
So, anyone think I'm making a bad move here abandoning the Nexus for Sammy's new flagship?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1642801

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Ultimately it comes down to what you want and what you need in your phone.
If the latest GalaxyS fills that need, then that's all that matters. You will be the one using it daily.
I'm sure that what I like in my phone, and what my needs are, may be very different than the next persons. I prefer a very bare bones phone, without a lot of extra stuff added in. I like the variety of roms and kernels that are available to use with the Gnex. So, for me, the Gnex fits my needs and uses for what I want in a phone.
Being this is the Gnex forum, I'm sure there will be plenty of answers swayed to the Gnex side. (mine included)
The Galaxy SIII is a very nice phone, and one I'm sure you will be happy with.
Enjoy the new phone

Thanks. I'll have to check it out first on the store display on the 21st but I swear if it doesn't feel smooth like my CM9/Trinity combo that'll be a deal breaker!!! It has a better CPU/GPU than our GN so hopefully that's not a problem but... not all software is created equal!

It's your choice not ours. 16GB is enough for me but one man's meat is another man's poison.
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Wow, so these are the types of people that pay a "life coach" money.
good day.

chopper the dog said:
Wow, so these are the types of people that pay a "life coach" money.
good day.
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No trolling please (but I did hit your thanks button based on your signature). I'm just looking for others opinions. Bored at work

Like others said.. you seem to have it in your mind where the SIII will do exactly what you want/need, so go for it. I won't be making the switch unless it has wifi-calling.

joshnichols189 said:
Like others said.. you seem to have it in your mind where the SIII will do exactly what you want/need, so go for it. I won't be making the switch unless it has wifi-calling.
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What top tier devices have Tmo released lately without it? I'm assuming it has it.

farfromovin said:
What top tier devices have Tmo released lately without it? I'm assuming it has it.
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The only phones they have that do have it are the SII, and One S as far as top tier android phones.. I don't see any mention in it in press releases, but I did for the One S so can't be too sure.

joshnichols189 said:
The only phones they have that do have it are the SII, and One S as far as top tier android phones.. I don't see any mention in it in press releases, but I did for the One S so can't be too sure.
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They put it on (pretty much) everything. Go to their phones page (http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones/) and sort the selection by "Wi-Fi Calling" in the side bar. There are dozens of options. Basically all it does is kick out the WP7 devices.
I'd bet a large sum of money that the SGSIII will have WiFi calling on T-Mobile.

martonikaj said:
They put it on (pretty much) everything. Go to their phones page (http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones/) and sort the selection by "Wi-Fi Calling" in the side bar. There are dozens of options. Basically all it does is kick out the WP7 devices.
I'd bet a large sum of money that the SGSIII will have WiFi calling on T-Mobile.
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Don't say that, I'm in love with my white nexus.
You just want to get rid of me don't you??

farfromovin said:
No trolling please (but I did hit your thanks button based on your signature). I'm just looking for others opinions. Bored at work
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Well played sir. The weaker would have taken the bait. But I'll leave my opinion. You have more of a technical insight/demand/wishes for what you expect out of a device. And as others have said it sounds like you've sold yourself already. I don't even pay attention to what processor, gfx chip or ram amount is in any given device. For me, the galaxy nexus form factor and true aosp is what I couldn't give up for a side grade considering that there is nothing more that I need/want/expect out of the galaxy nexus at this point. The sgsIII lost me with the color choices and buttons. Call me simple, but love mah navbar and what some java geeks have done with it on the galaxy nexus. The next device I look into will really have to knock my **** in the dirt and NOT have buttons on the front. May you find happiness.
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Honestly, the S3 is my first Android device. Before this I had an iPhone 4 and before that an iPhone 3GS.
Things that I love about my Galaxy S3?
Google Navigation and maps, and the blinking LED, which I find incredibly useful!
Things I miss about iOS? My Shure earphones with mic / volume control don't work with the Sammie S3. Also, believe it or not, I miss iMessage.
But the ability to customize Android takes the cake. I used to jailbreak my Apple all the time... Even without rooting or switching to a custom ROM, the flexibility of Android is outstanding!
I'm LOVING the S3!!!!

I am also loving my S3. I was gonna hold of on the note 2 but have a nexus 7 and didn't really want a phone that big. Really wish the US S3 had the quad core though

Apple strikes again - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEy2u2n_XTQ
They've actually GOT the patent GRANTED.

I have been an android user for several years now. I have been burning roms for my Inspire 4G with regularity. Now I have an s3 and I love it just the way it is. Although I couldn't resist rooting and adding CWM.
My employer makes me carry a iphone 4s for mail and phone purposes. After growing accustomed to touchdown, I really feel handicapped by the built in exchange support apple gave me. It sucks quite simply.
Tonight I got an email from our IT department telling me to not use my phone to respond to any meeting invitation as it could delete the invite for ALL recipients. I must wait for Apple to release an update for ios 6.
What I detest about the iPhone? The store- I have to enter my password each time. Tiny screen, crappy auto-correct, no back button. What do I like? Delete mail animation.
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What model Shure's are you using?
Would love to hear what kind of setup you had with the iphone and now the GS3. Can't help you with the volume, but you can get a cable with a mic. Lol. But seriously, when I'm listening to music I don't want a mic, I don't think I'd use the volume but if i could advance a song that would be nice.
Current setup:
Shure SE315, paid version Equilizer and fiio E6 portable amplifier. (fx music off) I can rock and I'm about to really upgrade.
If you don't have your Shure's running through a portable amplifier, your missing out.
Thanks
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thanks!

G-Man. said:
Apple strikes again - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEy2u2n_XTQ
They've actually GOT the patent GRANTED.
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This is just disgusting.....

Loving my Galaxy s III (i747)
I was going to stick with my GS2 but finally caved and upgraded to the Galaxy SIII (i747). I still miss the size of the GS2 (fit better in my hand), but the features (screen clarity, camera app, motion features, etc) on the GS3 are amazing. After 4 months of running stock, I finally went on a flashing spree and have finally settled on Ariel 2.10 ICS Stock/Moded ROM.

GS3 vs iPhone
I've always been an Android user and the GS3 is by far the best. My wife, due to following trend, insisted on having an iPhone 4S. After her and I doing a side by side comparison, she wishes she had gone with a GS3 as well. I enjoy flashing, rooting, customizing, and getting under the hood of my devices. It is interesting to see that Apple has played catch up on iPhone 5. It will also be interesting to see how their reputation continues to hold up within the next few years with their attempts to dominate the market through litigation.

Anyone check out the Xperia Ion? My mom had gotten it yesterday and said she didn't like it. The phone has a 12MP camera, but in my opinion that's the only good feature. The shape of the phone itself (big square with a rounded back) makes it uncomfortable to hold. The speaker is horrible. You have to hold the phone to your ear to hear things from the speaker. Software wise it isn't terrible. They give you a good amount of theme options straight out of the box.
Stock ICS on my S3

much mminemp
the i5 has better drop test results then the s3 they need to make more sturdy phones

My first android was the S2 SR. The phone was perfect save for the music player, I just couldn't find one I liked so I just tote my iPhone 4 around for music. Apple makes good music players but that's where it ends for me. Since I've used Android, iOS just doesn't cut it for me and I probably won't ever use another iPhone as a primary phone again.
Stock ICS on my S3

S3 Better than iPhone 5
Itsonme said:
the i5 has better drop test results then the s3 they need to make more sturdy phones
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the S3 has a curvy feeling with being thin rather than boxy which is where it makes the sides and enclosure of the gs3 as a whole weaker.
If it was a box like the iPhone 5 it'd be better enclosure-wise yes...but than not as many people would love the s3
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Anyone check out the Xperia Ion? My mom had gotten it yesterday and said she didn't like it. The phone has a 12MP camera, but in my opinion that's the only good feature. The shape of the phone itself (big square with a rounded back) makes it uncomfortable to hold. The speaker is horrible. You have to hold the phone to your ear to hear things from the speaker. Software wise it isn't terrible. They give you a good amount of theme options straight out of the box.
Stock ICS on my S3
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The Ion isn't too bad but I agree on the shape. Xperia's interface doesn't flow as well as TouchWiz does at all. Media-wise yes it's great but otherwise it doesn't
appeal as nicely as the s3 would. Xperia rooting also is more of a pain than samsung has ever been. Their camea's megapixel is higher, and always has been but
I dont see it being the solid reason to get one.

I started with the Blackberry Bold, then went with a cheap Windows Phone for a while, and now have the Galaxy S3. First time Android owner here.
I think I will grow to love Android. My first impression was that, out of the box, my Windows Phone was better. It felt quicker and did the things I wanted to better. I absolutely LOVE how much customization is available for Android phones, though, so I have a feeling that I will definitely love this phone, once I've tinkered around with it.

So when does Samsung think it'll be right to let all of us android virgins in on some of their secrets? Here's one of my favorites - No app to sd UNLESS the app is "at least 1 gig in size" (so why sell the device with the external sd slot?)
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paws61 said:
So when does Samsung think it'll be right to let all of us android virgins in on some of their secrets? Here's one of my favorites - No app to sd UNLESS the app is "at least 1 gig in size" (so why sell the device with the external sd slot?)
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lol, I know when I was doing research on the s3, I found a custom rom that would switch the interal and external sd cards

Oh yeah? Will you share, please? I'm not rooted - yet. Thinking I'll wait until my factory warranty is up - then again...
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Well said. My first smarty was blackberry - no joke - I thought I was made, man. Then HTC Inspire blew my socks off. In a couple months I was up for an upgrade. Did my research and got the powerful sgs3. OMG and all that! But now I'm sooo bummed. No sd recognition other than memory capacity. Sammy says it's just the way they made it. When I said their promotions didn't reveal the fact that there was no "app2sd" capability UNLESS the app used 1g+ (I found that tidbit out only days ago), the response was something close to 'sorry about your luck.'
I dunno how this looks to others, but I feel that the sgs3 was misrepresented. Whether deliberately or not, that's not my issue. I'm no dev or geek, so when you sell me on the monster memory, unequaled personalization, and myriad other bells n whistles, I'm gonna expect that ability. But don't tell me it's mine with an after-the-fact 'btw just the phone and some of its power are yours; you'll never be the 'administrator' unless you wanna void our warranty... ' I'm just saying...
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Oh yeah? Will you share, please? I'm not rooted - yet. Thinking I'll wait until my factory warranty is up - then again...
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Well said. My first smarty was blackberry - no joke - I thought I was made, man. Then HTC Inspire blew my socks off. In a couple months I was up for an upgrade. Did my research and got the powerful sgs3. OMG and all that! But now I'm sooo bummed. No sd recognition other than memory capacity. Sammy says it's just the way they made it. When I said their promotions didn't reveal the fact that there was no "app2sd" capability UNLESS the app used 1g+ (I found that tidbit out only days ago), the response was something close to 'sorry about your luck.'
I dunno how this looks to others, but I feel that the sgs3 was misrepresented. Whether deliberately or not, that's not my issue. I'm no dev or geek, so when you sell me on the monster memory, unequaled personalization, and myriad other bells n whistles, I'm gonna expect that ability. But don't tell me it's mine with an after-the-fact 'btw just the phone and some of its power are yours; you'll never be the 'administrator' unless you wanna void our warranty... ' I'm just saying...
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Stop crying about apps to sd-card here is what you need : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1849857

I hear this is the place to ask so, I'll take a swing. SG3 vs HTC OX+? I'll be picking one up tomorrow. I've read the reviews. Each seems to have pros and cons. The HTC is much faster, the SG3 has a memory card slot, removable battery, and a bigger support base. I'm hoping for some real world input please..