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So, as we approach the fork on the road, one leading towards the EVO 3D and the other towards the Samsung Galaxy SII, many users are left waiting to see which one of these beasts will pick up more development heat. Like myself, many folks are completely split and are solely depending on this little bit of information.
Therefore, I ask, out of developers that have made the EVO the great device that it is, where are you headed?
I KNOW THIS THREAD MIGHT BE UNCONVENTIONAL FOR THIS SECTION OF THE FORUMS, BUT PLEASE CONSIDER LEAVING IT HERE AS IT WILL BE EASIER IN GETTING THE ATTENTION OF DEVELOPERS OVER REGULAR USERS. THANKS!
Yeah just read an article today about the 3d apparently having a crypto signed bootloader. Not much developing going on with that... Without an eng leak anyhow...turned me off of it for a bit. Not that I'm a dev, I consider myself a themer really.
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I hope they are heading to a place where people don't post questions in the Development section like the rules in the sticky state.
Check out htc facebook page today, it may give you a clue...
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lol you guys are so scared of an MD5 encrypted bootloader...
oh wait... yea me too
it WILL be cracked, im sure there'll be some sort of algorithm to counteract it. if not, after 1 year, HTC is forced to release everything
Anxious to see responses from Netarchy, Vaelek, cyanogen, Toast, Flipz, Shinzul... etc.
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Anxious to see responses from Netarchy, Vaelek, cyanogen, Toast, Flipz, Shinzul... etc.
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So is everyone that voted thus far really a "developer?" On another note, CM would likely be developed on both if a) the HTC bootloader is cracked, b) the GS2 isn't the same POS the GS1 is.
I am interested in the results of this poll as well.
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So is everyone that voted thus far really a "developer?"
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Obviously not, but you know, there are always those %&$* out there. (BTW, the votes are public, so you can see where those that matter are leaning towards.)
I just figured some of the true developers will see this and guide us in a particular direction. Don't blame me for trying.
I will be getting a EVO 3D without a doubt. Bootloaders can be cracked. Might have to buy XTC to see if we can root that way. It's like the gold card method. Either way, the EVO 3D will be a mind blower and WILL be rooted.
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TMartin03 said:
I will be getting a EVO 3D without a doubt. Bootloaders can be cracked. Might have to buy XTC to see if we can root that way. It's like the gold card method. Either way, the EVO 3D will be a mind blower and WILL be rooted.
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Please vote!
From HTC's Facebook page:
Thanks so much for providing feedback, we hear your concerns. Your satisfaction is a top priority for us and we're working hard to ensure you have great experiences with our phones. We're reviewing the issue and our policy around bootloaders and will provide more information soon. Thank you for your interest, support and willingness to share your feedback.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-bootloaders/10150305151453084
Fwiw I didn't vote, just responded in thread...
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evomattnc said:
Fwiw I didn't vote, just responded in thread...
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If you're a developer, please contribute to the poll. Otherwise, comment away!
Tmartin is in which is awesome so far lol
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I am going to get one also. I know the devs will have it cracked in days if not hours.
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I am getting the 3D regardless of when it'll be rooted. I am currently running stock on my OG EVO anyway. I am sure it wont hurt to go without root for a little while and have a far superior phone than the samjunk.
I'm not a dev yet, but I think if I gave myself some time I could do it. I already mod ROM's to my liking and I am a programmer. But college life usually gets to me lol I was thinking sometime this Summer to cook my own ROM up; if time permitted. If that happens then I will dev for the Evo 4G.
Unless I get some extra grant money lol then I'm not sure! A cell phone to dev is a college expense if you're a Computer Science major right
akarol said:
I KNOW THIS THREAD MIGHT BE UNCONVENTIONAL FOR THIS SECTION OF THE FORUMS, BUT PLEASE CONSIDER LEAVING IT HERE AS IT WILL BE EASIER IN GETTING THE ATTENTION OF DEVELOPERS OVER REGULAR USERS. THANKS!
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It's sad that the mods are on such a witch hunt that you even have to put that there. IMHO this is *exactly* the type of post that should be in the /dev section... along with 10-20 other daily posts that are direct questions to/for developers.
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It's sad that the mods are on such a witch hunt that you even have to put that there. IMHO this is *exactly* the type of post that should be in the /dev section... along with 10-20 other daily posts that are direct questions to/for developers.
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werd 10char
I've been a "watcher" too long in this community. It's time to contribute back what I can.
I have a server doing nothing, and I'd love to waste as much bandwidth as I can.
If you're a developer for a ROM, and you'd like to have PHP, FTP, perl, sql, etc support, please reply to this thread or message me directly, and I'd be more than happy to get things set up for you ASAP. This is a new device, with a fantastic development community, and I think every developer deserves a chance for success. An email address, along with a website will help accomplish this for determined individuals. I don't plan on ever letting go of the domain names, or the server that I have.
Cheers you guys.
P.S. > Also, if someone wouldn't mind helping keep this thread active by posting articles or links to publishers with books available to teach me how to develop, that would be fantastic. I know this fits a little closer with "General", but its important, I think, that developers get involved in this, because of the huge possibility of misinformation.
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Great idea.
+1
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Here's a good article to get started, from the man himself
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=667298
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Good idea +1
I was really, really hoping this thread wasnt going to be moved to general, because now it is probably never going to be read by the developers. If by any chance you know someone who is developing roms for the sgsii, or how to get ahold of people who are, i would love to spearhead this project and get their hosting up asap. I would love to have a website for your rom, a central hub for tools, resources, and links, but i dont have any of the web development knowledge or background to even know what cms software would work best. Ive installed hundreds of vbulletin boards back in the day (when pirating vbulletin and ipb was fun). I know how to use cpanel very well, how to modify apache and php settings, and how to setup mysql, but i guess ive been out of the loop too long. Help me out guys. Lets get a website going for these awesome developers.
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Awesome +1
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Okay, perhaps a new approach. Would someone like to try and help me get a website going with all the important files for the 989? (ODiN, radios, stock roms, drivers, etc).
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Okay, perhaps a new approach. Would someone like to try and help me get a website going with all the important files for the 989? (ODiN, radios, stock roms, drivers, etc).
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If your looking for someone to gather and upload and get descriptions and such I would be happy to. If your looking more for someone to make zips and such that is a little out of my league.
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xsteven77x said:
If your looking for someone to gather and upload and get descriptions and such I would be happy to. If your looking more for someone to make zips and such that is a little out of my league.
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I think I'm going to need to install some sort of software on my server to host the downloads. Then the guides and descriptions all fall into place. I'm just not sure. I think it'd be a good idea.
I suggest posting on skyrockets (I727 sister device nearly identical) forum as well, in order to really stir interest...
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cellularticulate said:
I was really, really hoping this thread wasnt going to be moved to general,
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you might have not noticed, but the DEVs do read the General forum as well
in fact we keep asking people to keep the comments on General, unless they are of development value, then they should reply back to the DEV topic
but as usual newbies never listen
Figured I'd start a general discussion thread about the petition to Acer and also about raising the bounty to interest more devs.
We can discuss these things in here rather than polluting other threads
Will be donating what I can the beginning of Feb.
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willing to donate as well
Awesome! Thanks guys!
I don't expect we'll get thousands but anything will help. If we can even raise enough for one device to get it to a dev, that would be awesome!
On another note, we seem to be doing well with the petition so far! Tell your friends, share on Facebook, make sure you "like" it which makes it go viral in other people's feeds etc!
I signed the petition already, but I don't know how much a dev can do to specifically unlocking a bootloader. I understand the bootloader is encrypted, which means that unless we have they key we won't be able to boot our own custom roms flashed through recovery. Although I have been following on my Droid3 forums about how devs have created some workaround solutions for using the stock bootloader and somehow getting around it, although I believe it is more complicated than that. The user Hashcode knows a lot about that sort of stuff on the motorola droid platforms. I'm not sure how much he can help but it might be a good starting point?
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I gotta get in front of a real computer so I can donate a few bucks.
Can somebody reach out to Hashcode, he might be willing to help out.
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Can somebody reach out to Hashcode, he might be willing to help out.
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Done! PM'd him.
If you're not a Dev and would like to contribute, or if you like hanging around xda, let's not bash, cry, complain. All of this stops what people are bringing to us, for free, with allot of time and sacrifice invested to make all of our phone experience better. If you have nothing to add, and take take take, with nothing to give to the community, please kindly keep your mouth shut or offer constructive criticism. Thank you for your time and let's make this a safe haven to share ideas, offer tips, and make our phones better than the average consumer
Arthur Tiongson for President
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I agree 100%. But there's always that select few that think they are entitled to voice their opinions in the harshest possible way, when in reality they couldnt even begin to comprehend what kernel and ROM developers do. (Not ROM chefs.)
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Developers earn their respect. Kangers expect it.
There's should be a separate sub-forum for kanging. Keep that sh-t out of the real development section.
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Developers earn their respect. Kangers expect it.
There's should be a separate sub-forum for kanging. Keep that sh-t out of the real development section.
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I half-way agree with that, in terms of the forum part.
m4k3r said:
Developers earn their respect. Kangers expect it.
There's should be a separate sub-forum for kanging. Keep that sh-t out of the real development section.
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Well then... with that rule I guess all we'll have is TC's CM10 nightly thread.
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Well then... with that rule I guess all we'll have is TC's CM10 nightly thread.
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As far as real development then yeah and whitehawkxs aokp thread as well as eugene 's ROMs or at least his aosp ROM. Sorry to be so blunt when it isn't 4:20 ,but its the truth.
And for the knuckle heads that want to say what have you contributed. I help where I can test and run log cats with some fellows on irc but I would never take some one else's ROM put some one else's tweaks in it ,zip it and call it my own and if the makes me a dev the I'm chief boyardee!
Oh and if I would do something like I would keep it in general take remove my pay pal button and have direct links to the dev's op of the ROM I'm using. Just sayin that's what I would do.
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Why was Aeroevan's Unofficial CM10 for the Inc2 (2012-10-03) thread closed?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1805773
Wait it looks like all his threads have been closed WTF?
Looks like he wasn't uploading his kernal sources even after being asked/warned by the mods and therefore was not complying with GPL. Too bad he was one of our best devs. Wish there was some way to learn how to dev for vivow, I can't get anything to build grr
You mean his kernel source which is here? https://github.com/aeroevan Only a couple of other ROMs list any sort of source or GPL compliance info so I guess we can expect them all to be closed soon.
Well, just another reason to use RootzWiki instead.
Unecessary thread there was one not to long ago http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35584462
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Grouper said:
You mean his kernel source which is here? https://github.com/aeroevan Only a couple of other ROMs list any sort of source or GPL compliance info so I guess we can expect them all to be closed soon.
Well, just another reason to use RootzWiki instead.
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Rootz Wiki requires people comply with GPL just the same, so I doubt going there to avoid it will do much good.
GoonAssJuan said:
Unecessary thread there was one not to long ago http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35584462
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This thread was started first, what is your point, I am supposed to see into the future & read threads that will be posted?
Bob_Funk said:
This thread was started first, what is your point, I am supposed to see into the future & read threads that will be posted?
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chill man :laugh:
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Rootz Wiki requires people comply with GPL just the same, so I doubt going there to avoid it will do much good.
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I guess this ROM is dead. Too bad, and really not much of an explaination from teh mods.
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I guess this ROM is dead. Too bad, and really not much of an explaination from teh mods.
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If you want an alternative...chillybean's PacRom in his incrediblyparanoid thread has all of CM10 and so much more. It is also running very well. I think the camera is working a bit better too.
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I guess this ROM is dead. Too bad, and really not much of an explaination from teh mods.
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There is an explanation from the mods... The very last post in the thread... "Failure to comply with GPL requirements" .... There has to be a link to kernel source in the op. Quite honestly though, the mods don't have to explain themselves or justify their actions to anyone. They are here to enforce the rules, not explain them over and over when these rules are posted everywhere you turn.
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I shall give it a go! Thanks!
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Are you seriously a MODERATOR!!!
Well....my thread was closed with statement: "thread closed until OP PM me back with the PM i sent him a few days ago and becomes compliant!"!!
So, this new moderator (Papa Smurf151) which came from nowhere who likes to close threads both in development & general section...should have read his inbox actually when he messaged me & I replied him back on the very same day!
So, what I understand now is that he closes threads in Development section in the name of "GPL Compliance" which I agree too...but why are those threads being closed (by Papa Smurf151 particularly) which asks why are most of the threads being closed.?? I mean are they closed for the DMWM (Don't Mess With the Moderators) compliance!!!!!
& shouldn't you check your Inbox before closing someone's thread....or atleast reply to him about what shall be done!!!
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Well....my thread was closed with statement: "thread closed until OP PM me back with the PM i sent him a few days ago and becomes compliant!"!!
So, this new moderator (Papa Smurf151) which came from nowhere who likes to close threads both in development & general section...should have read his inbox actually when he messaged me & I replied him back on the very same day!
So, what I understand now is that he closes threads in Development section in the name of "GPL Compliance" which I agree too...but why are those threads being closed (by Papa Smurf151 particularly) which asks why are most of the threads being closed.?? I mean are they closed for the DMWM (Don't Mess With the Moderators) compliance!!!!!
& shouldn't you check your Inbox before closing someone's thread....or atleast reply to him about what shall be done!!!
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They didn't come from nowhere. I would say its possible he didn't receive your pm? I know things like that have happened before and when I was pm'd I fixed my op that I missed things in and pm'd him back and he responded right away.
http://www.xda-developers.com/announcements/reworking-the-forum-specific-moderator-system/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35151599
^^just a couple references where they came from.
If you want your thread re-opened, simply put a link to the source your kernel uses (aeroevans git if you're using his kernel, for example) .. then pm the mod stating your thread is updated, include a link to your thread in your pm so he can easily verify it and the thread will be unlocked.
Well I would say at this point the Dinc2 is officially dead. Most devs won't want to take the time to bother with the mods and neither would I.
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phillibl said:
Well I would say at this point the Dinc2 is officially dead. Most devs won't want to take the time to bother with the mods and neither would I.
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Cmon man, aren't you reading what CS has said? Just a link to source. If they include it to start with it would not be an issue. And if they forgot, it isn't so big a deal when you consider the work that goes into making a ROM work. If they are willing to spend hours of work and time reading and responding and fixing bugs, do you really think a few minutes to update their op and pm a moderator is such a big task?
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If the Dinc2 is not their DD and they were just doing it out of the kindness of their hearts (supporting a 2 year old device) then yes I could see that as being too much of a hassle.
Most of those threads were open for months without any trouble then all of the sudden the mods decided to crack down on an old obscure device because of GPL.
Also I believe GPL just requires source to be available and anyone smart enough to root and flash their device can find Aeroevan's source code.
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If they were taking the time to still support the rom then I don't think it would be much trouble. They all do it out of the kindness or their heart as you put it. They don't get paid. They just enjoy it. If its an issue fine. But if they still enjoy deving this phone this won't stop them. CS is a developer as well as chilly, and they both did what needed to be done.
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phillibl said:
Well I would say at this point the Dinc2 is officially dead. Most devs won't want to take the time to bother with the mods and neither would I.
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So we should just say **** it and stop doing anything? And yes, we are supposed to post a link to source. It takes a whole 5 seconds to do so... Damn, I should stop wasting my time since no one else would want to be bothered with 5 seconds and would just say **** it.... I could have another drink instead.
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So we should just say **** it and stop doing anything? And yes, we are supposed to post a link to source. It takes a whole 5 seconds to do so... Damn, I should stop wasting my time since no one else would want to be bothered with 5 seconds and would just say **** it.... I could have another drink instead.
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Drink up and happy holidays my friend.
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So we should just say **** it and stop doing anything? And yes, we are supposed to post a link to source. It takes a whole 5 seconds to do so... Damn, I should stop wasting my time since no one else would want to be bothered with 5 seconds and would just say **** it.... I could have another drink instead.
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I sir am happy with the work you guys do. So please continue to waste your time on fun stuff for my phone
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