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USB Host mode

ADMIN EDIT:
adq is also a member here, direct link to his site about this:
http://adq.livejournal.com/95689.html
for dev's a patch is available to patch the kernel to enable this
It looks that one there are some guys that succeed to use the USB in host mode on an Android device ....
issue 738 on code.google http://code.google.com/p/android/iss...ummary%20Stars
Implementing the USB on the Go feature on a phone, will allow you to
conect to the phone:
- regular keyboards - imagine how easy you enter contacts, edit notes
and other text information into your phone when you go to home / work
and connect the keyboards from the computers you are using there.
- regular mice
- flash drivers, card readers, external hard drives, foto camera
- printers - so you can easily print the photos you make wit the built
in camera, and office documents you edit from the phone.
- scanners
- monitors (with a USB-to-VGA adapter, like the HTC Advantage X7510
does)
- WiFi cards
- USB ethernet cards - this would be an imensely great feature.
Because with propper software you can test an ethernet port (ping,
etc), even test UTP cables - like the expensive Fluke devices do. Just
imagine how convenient is to test a network without taking the laptop
with you and without buying expensive network testing tools.
- TV Tuners
- another phone that will stay in "slave mode"
- web camera - maybe it's a silly idea, but hey, why not?
- pen tablets
- USB hubs - so you will be able to connect all the above peripherals
to the phone in the same time.
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for HTC Hero
http://adq.livejournal.com/
This guy succeed to attache a real keyboard, a real mouse that is used as a trackball and a external USB storage device!!
Also he is using a battery USB hub to resolve the charging needs of some of the devices.....
how to create the cable , and some tests for Motorola Droid...
http://www.tombom.co.uk/blog/?p=124

Whoa, nice find. I didn't think this was even possible. I've been telling anyone who asked about it to keep dreaming. My bad.

yes..I also wanted to do this since I bought my first WM phone .... someone else tried this ?

instead of creating that patched cable do you think that a battery hub like this one that can change the gender of the USB, can be use instead ?
http://www.everfast.com.hk/catalog/usb-hub-battery-charger-usb-hub-4-ports-p-138.html
PS: it has also battery based charging capabilities

That's an interesting thought, although I don't have anything near the technical knowledge of this type of thing to say for sure. Your guess is as good as mine.

craig0r said:
That's an interesting thought, although I don't have anything near the technical knowledge of this type of thing to say for sure. Your guess is as good as mine.
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i'd say it should work with this. but i am afraid we'll have to wait until someone actually implements this somehow...
can someone pleeeease implement this somehow?

Keep in mind that If i read this correctly, this patch will disable usb device mode (i.e. wont be able to access the sd card as a mass storage device anymore and HTC Sync will be disabled as well).
Edit: At least for the time being. The dev seems keen on getting the device-mode/ host-mode drivers to cooperate.

alt236 said:
Keep in mind that If i read this correctly, this patch will disable usb device mode (i.e. wont be able to access the sd card as a mass storage device anymore and HTC Sync will be disabled as well).
Edit: At least for the time being. The dev seems keen on getting the device-mode/ host-mode drivers to cooperate.
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Yeah, it shouldn't be too hard to implement a software switch.

On the other blog they propose this cables :
http://www.brightonnet.co.jp/english/product/other/bbm-wireel.html
http://www.overstock.com/Electronic...d=123620&fp=F&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=12436069
http://cgi.ebay.com/Micro-USB-Host-...Accessories?hash=item3a57229ee9#ht_5104wt_939
PS : I would like to buy one of this cables
PS2: I see on that e-bay link that this is already working on various linux powered mobile devices.

Hi, thanks for posting this here
Yeah, I'm just reading how the OMAP USB drivers implement the software switch just now to see how best to do it; right now looks like three drivers - two actually implementing the host/device mode, and one stub mediating which one is actually active.
I'm hoping to have something along these lines working next week.

thats great news mate will u posting your cabel guide to also this should be added i think to the custom roms (or at least a option the the kitchen tool)

There has been some progress:
http://adq.livejournal.com/
http://groups.google.com/group/android-kernel/browse_thread/thread/b871a27624f69b85

is it still not ready to be implemented even in experimental ROMs?

How should I install that? From Recovery? Like a Rom

is there any update on this? I would love to be able to read my SDCARD on my digital camer just by linking in with a usb cable

USB devices not detected by USB HOST
I am developing application to detect my printer by NOVO 7 Paladin(Android 4.0).
By USB HOST CONTROLLER application(which is available in market) the printer/mouse/keyboard is detected. But in my application(Written in java) these devices are not detected
With the reference of below link this application is developed
developer.android.com/guide/topics/usb/host.html
My Code Sample
mUsbManager = (UsbManager)getSystemService(Context.USB_SERVICE);
HashMap<String, UsbDevice> foundDevices = mUsbManager.getDeviceList();
Iterator<UsbDevice> iterator = foundDevices.values().iterator();
if (foundDevices.size()>0)
{String old = textv.getText().toString();
textv.setText(old +" foundDevices ");
}

Win7 RUNNING FROM usb flashdrive

not sure this the right forum for this, but putting this out there.
it would be awesome if i could fully install windows 7 ultimate (x86) onto a bootable usb flash drive.
Any ideas on this? i may need to be able to duplicate whatever solution there is 20 times (fellow students NEED an answer to this, another computer is not an option)
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this isnt really something that can be easily done. Windows relies and uses drivers that are more specific to devices. Windows also uses so much information that is captured in the registry. Linux can get away because it uses a more "generic" setup. others may want to chime in if they know more.
I was able to find this:
http://faelmar-tanada.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!73A0272B9E18B517!173.entry

[HACKING] USB Host Driver For Ext HDD

Samsung's press release for the processor confirmed USB host capabilities. But it doesnt look like that functionality is exposed at an OS level yet.
As done similarly for Nexus One, will it be possible to write up a driver or something like that for Samsung Galaxy S?
It would be too good to have an external HDD connected to this device!!! (That means, practically unlimited storage!!)
I know that there could be problems with power required to spin a drive, but my Creative Zen Vision M (60 GB) player had USB host (badly implemented) capabilities - and it was able to spin hard drives.
Is it worth a try with SGS?

What?? Nobody interested?

Was having a look for this same answer. Hope things have progressed a bit.

SGS USB Host Documentation
Guess What!! I was going through the bundled "Documentation" along with the SGS i9000 code and I found this!!
Code:
S3C24XX USB Host support
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Introduction
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This document details the S3C2410/S3C2440 in-built OHCI USB host support.
Configuration
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Enable at least the following kernel options:
menuconfig:
Device Drivers --->
USB support --->
<*> Support for Host-side USB
<*> OHCI HCD support
.config:
CONFIG_USB
CONFIG_USB_OHCI_HCD
Once these options are configured, the standard set of USB device
drivers can be configured and used.
That is very encouraging. But I haven't done any kernel compiling (hell, I haven't even done any Android coding, this being my first Android phone!!). So its gonna a be a while before I can put this to a good use.
Now, I am not sure if this is just "Host" or if it would support "OTG" also. I found the documentation on S5PC110 [Dev Sheet] a bit confusing also. It does show that the microprocessor has both HOST and OTG capabilities, but I am not sure to what the USB port has been wired to.
May be somebody can put this to a good use.

Well if this as easy as it sounds, it beats any logic whatsoever, why Samsung didn't put in this functionality out-of-the-box with SGS. This device seems severely constricted in features which the S5PC110 chip init readily supports.

samsung are idiots lol, hopefully it works tho

Are there any apps which would tell us what exact piece of hardware we have in an Android phone?

You have a s5pc110 processor, in the Galaxy S.
Any talk about usb host drivers (for that processor / s5pc series) would probably be done on the linux-samsung-soc mailing list.

+1
Really looking for this feature ,,,, very helpful ....
thanks for starting this topic ....

What do people use this feature for? I guess I am having a hard time envisioning why this would be useful on a phone.

brunes said:
What do people use this feature for? I guess I am having a hard time envisioning why this would be useful on a phone.
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You could connect USB memory disks , external HDDs ,external camera and so on to your Galaxy S and browse files ...... very very helpful...

Any one know how to use this feature? I badly wanna connect USB keyboard to my SGS.

Anyone? Sorry for spaming, but i really need it. Maybe someone have got some links explaining how to enable usb host? I'm not a dev. but i can try do something, anything to get this to work!
What we have to do? Some drivers, or new kernel?
Right now I'm going to buy 2-female USB adapter. Please, reply!

19arek93 said:
Anyone? Sorry for spaming, but i really need it. Maybe someone have got some links explaining how to enable usb host? I'm not a dev. but i can try do something, anything to get this to work!
What we have to do? Some drivers, or new kernel?
Right now I'm going to buy 2-female USB adapter. Please, reply!
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If you are this desperate why not just use a bluetooth keyboard...

Because is very expensive.

Has it been officially confirmed that the Galaxy S can't do USB host ?
This would be an amazing feature on an already amazing device.

From what I know a about jpc rom it now installs a cdrom drive when plugged in to windows. Seems to that there's soms sort of host capabilities are built in
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samsung source code
Hi!
I too find this feature very useful. However, I found little information about it on the net. So I started digging through the source code provided by Samsung (GT-I9000_OpenSource.zip). From this and from the specs of the chip (S5PC110_EVT1_UM10.pdf), I take it that the phone does support USB host. The problem is, it can only do either client or host, not both at the same time. Now here is where it gets tricky.
The Samsung kernel source is not as neatly separated into independent modules as you would expect from a Linux kernel. The USB client stuff (usb-storage, modem...) is connected with the driver that checks for cable plugging and unplugging which in turn is connected with the driver for the voltage regulator that starts charging the battery and supplies the cpu with power as soon as you connect the phone to your computer. Consequently you can't just build the USB client stuff as a module to be able to unload it and load the USB host module instead.
I have started to write a workaround for that, separating these interconnected drivers from each other. The easiest point to take it apart seems to be the driver of the voltage regulator. It has the fewest external dependencies. It does, however, pose the problem that the phone won't charge if something goes wrong...
Well, I got as far as being able to compile the source with the USB client stuff as bunch of modules and the independent part compiled into the kernel. I got that flashed on the phone. It boots, it doesn't blow up, and USB client is disabled. So far, so good.
Problem is, the client modules won't load. I don't know why, yet. Having to work with the on screen keyboard and a terminal instead of getting a shell via "adb shell" isn't helping either...
Well. That's as far as I got today.
Suggestions? Comments?

Woah!!! You've gone forward way farther than I have!!
I took a lot of time trying to get around to a proper working kernel itself! :-( I am a complete noob at this - SGS being my first phone. [Not to mention the fact that I almost got my phone bricked once and got into infinite boot sequence on another instance.]
I had been trying to add modules built-in into the kernel itself - without making any code changes. I find when I plug-in my Mircro USB OTG cable - dmesg gives out 4 lines of log entries -
Code:
[s3c_usb_cable]done_clk_enable
[s3c_usb_cable]done_udc_reinit
[s3c_usb_cable]done_udc_enable
FSA INTR = dev1 : 0x80, dev2 : 0x0, Attach : 0x1
Of the above 4 lines - for the first 3 I was able to find the code in the file -
Code:
<Path_to_source_code>/GT-I9000_OpenSource/GalaxyS_Kernel.tar/GalaxyS/linux-2.6.29/drivers/usb/gadget/s3c_udc_otg.c
Now these entries come up only when I connect my OTG cable. Normal cable does not give this. May be the SGS can do both OTG and Device mode at the same time?
To understand more of this I tried to enable DEBUG. But apart from getting in to infinite boot loop, I was not able to move ahead much.
Another interesting thing that I noticed was that -
Code:
CONFIG_USB_S3C_OTGD=y
is set in the normal/unmodified .config file obtained from OpenSource website of Samsung.
From what I understand, this means that the OTG module is directly compiled and linked in to all of our kernels. But for some reason, it is not working as expected.
Well I am stumped!!! May be I will look more in to this during this weekend.

coooolboyz said:
Samsung's press release for the processor confirmed USB host capabilities. But it doesnt look like that functionality is exposed at an OS level yet.
As done similarly for Nexus One, will it be possible to write up a driver or something like that for Samsung Galaxy S?
It would be too good to have an external HDD connected to this device!!! (That means, practically unlimited storage!!)
I know that there could be problems with power required to spin a drive
Is it worth a try with SGS?
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If you used an SSD you wouldn't have to worry about power to spin it up Although I don't think I've seen a USB one anywhere...
Best of luck, this would be an awesome and very useful feature to have!

[Q] USB-VGA Display Adapter Graphics Card works with android

hello, this is my first post, and i wish that somebody know if this adapter graphics card:
http ://www .dealextreme. com/p/usb-2-0-to-vga-display-adapter-cable-for-extra-monitor-screen-34756
http ://www .pandawill. com/usb-to-vga-usbvga-display-adapter-for-monitor-screen_p38476.html
or this
http ://www .amazon. com/Plugable-UGA-125-Multiple-Monitors-1280x1024/dp/B003IE49T8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1304438526&sr=8-3
works in a device with android and usb host.
will be nice if i could connect any cellphone to a lcd tv or connect a tablet to two monitors.

leomg said:
hello, this is my first post, and i wish that somebody know if this adapter graphics card:
http ://www .dealextreme. com/p/usb-2-0-to-vga-display-adapter-cable-for-extra-monitor-screen-34756
http ://www .pandawill. com/usb-to-vga-usbvga-display-adapter-for-monitor-screen_p38476.html
or this
http ://www .amazon. com/Plugable-UGA-125-Multiple-Monitors-1280x1024/dp/B003IE49T8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1304438526&sr=8-3
works in a device with android and usb host.
will be nice if i could connect any cellphone to a lcd tv or connect a tablet to two monitors.
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This depends solely on which phone you have.
Also try going to forum.xda-developers.com and scroll down to your particular phone and search thier general forum for it, mainly because chances are someone already has asked or talked about this

I don't think any Android phone will support USB to Video adapters. Some android phones have hdmi or video out capabilities. But those types of USB to Video adapters need special drivers which I don't believe are available for Android OS.

zarathustrax said:
I don't think any Android phone will support USB to Video adapters. Some android phones have hdmi or video out capabilities. But those types of USB to Video adapters need special drivers which I don't believe are available for Android OS.
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I think that too, but there are drivers for linux and then android should make it work. I was just wondering if anyone tried.

here i found a list of the devices that are compatible with displaylink:
w w w.displaylink.com/shop/index.php?product=5
and in "download driver" are drivers for linux.
someone know if the driver for linux works for android ??
Pd: If a linux based router can: w w w.engadget.com/2009/05/18/displaylink-for-linux-turns-a-humble-wireless-router-into-a-beau/
why android cellphone or tablet cant.
also i found an app ($1,99) that allow to convert ipad screen into a new display for a computer through wireless, is there some app like that for android??

leomg said:
here i found a list of the devices that are compatible with displaylink:
w w w.displaylink.com/shop/index.php?product=5
and in "download driver" are drivers for linux.
someone know if the driver for linux works for android ??
Pd: If a linux based router can: w w w.engadget.com/2009/05/18/displaylink-for-linux-turns-a-humble-wireless-router-into-a-beau/
why android cellphone or tablet cant.
also i found an app ($1,99) that allow to convert ipad screen into a new display for a computer through wireless, is there some app like that for android??
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Android runs on top of a modified linux kernel, but it's not a true linux distro, so it can't run linux apps or drivers. Something would have to be written special. Maybe if you can run ubuntu off your device, you may be able to do something. What device do you have that has USB host?
Also, if its not USB 2, you may not have enough speeds to transfer. I think sending video output through usb would take a lot of processing power, which it may not be worthwhile with a phone.
What device do you have and exactly what are you trying to do... If I knew what you're trying to do, I might be able to help. I'm good with stuff like that.
You could maybe just get a DLNA adapter and wireless send video to a monitor or TV, instead. I'm not sure what you are exactly trying to get accompliched. give more details.

I bought a SmartQ t10, that still doesnt arrive, I bought it for the screen and battery, then i saw this adapter, so im seeing if can get video out.
I found a mailing list where a guy with a motorola droid (who managed to switch to USB host mode) trying to do this.
w w w.mailinglistarchive.com/html/[email protected]/2010-07/msg00073.html
according to what I understood you should enable the auxiliary output video and change the driver to operate with mobile device processor.

here i found how to do it:
sites.google.com/site/voyageofbeagleboard/Home/displaylink-for-android
Code:
DisplayLink for android (latested version)
How to build displaylink driver for android
Displaylink is asic vender for USB-DISPLAY converter. It's is little slow, but expand your gadet example for android based equipment. So I modified the displaylink driver called udlfb for android.
How to build
- prepare android source code. I checked on beagleboard and android2.0
- extract and replace files with framework-core.tgz under framegework/base
- extract and replace files with kernel.tgz under kernel
- rebuild kernel and android
Description of tar archives
- framework-core.tgz
Import mouse and touch features support from android-x86 project . This is depend on android2.0 eclair
Touch features is following as:
Touch the right corner on and off touch feature.
[HOME] Touch the status bar
[MENU] Touch the status bar from left to right
[BACK] Touch status bat from right to left
- kernel.tgz
udlfb driver for android. Original udlfb driver source code is in latest linux driver/stagine/udlfb
Add double size frame buffer for pan_display
Add pan_display function
Make maximu resolution 1024x768. Original code support much more high resolution, but It cause crash under memory allocation.
Contents of tar archives
framework-core.tgz
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Import usefule function from android-x86
core/java/android/view/RawInputEvent.java
include/ui/EventHub.h
libs/ui/EventHub.cpp
services/java/com/android/server/InputDevice.java
services/java/com/android/server/KeyInputQueue.java
services/java/com/android/server/WindowManagerService.java
services/java/com/android/server/status/StatusBarView.java
services/java/com/android/server/status/TouchFeature.java
kernel.tgz
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touchscreeen driver depend my equipment.
drivers/input/touchscreen/Kconfig
drivers/input/touchscreen/usbtouchscreen.c
DisplayLink driver for android
drivers/video/Kconfig ->add configuration
drivers/video/Makefile ->add udlfb/Makefile
dotconfig -> .config example
drivers/video/udlfb/ -> driver
this will work??

If your phone does not have USB host mode you can modify your kernel to support it. Then it's a case of getting drivers, which may or may not be difficult.

Yes, i found that too, usb host for nexus one: sven.killig.de/android/N1/2.2/usb_host/
i guess that work for any device.
but I'm interested in that first run the driver already having a device with USB host, because is there more research about getting usb host or usb otg

Here is a android 1.6 driver from the opensource .
http://libdlo.freedesktop.org/wiki/
or
https://github.com/magoroku15/DisplayLink-driver-for-android
Any one know how to use it or update it to work on newer android ?

Gingerbread has very good compatibility mode so it "could" run there.
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zarathustrax said:
Android runs on top of a modified linux kernel, but it's not a true linux distro, so it can't run linux apps or drivers. Something would have to be written special. Maybe if you can run ubuntu off your device, you may be able to do something. What device do you have that has USB host?
Also, if its not USB 2, you may not have enough speeds to transfer. I think sending video output through usb would take a lot of processing power, which it may not be worthwhile with a phone.
What device do you have and exactly what are you trying to do... If I knew what you're trying to do, I might be able to help. I'm good with stuff like that.
You could maybe just get a DLNA adapter and wireless send video to a monitor or TV, instead. I'm not sure what you are exactly trying to get accompliched. give more details.
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he simply wants to project his phone display on a lcd tv or a pc monitor.

many ppl with no hdmi output would love to stream by usb, it also allows to connect other usb devices which not supported with MHL.
usb 2.0 is fast enough to stream.

i have same problem

dsa

vga adapter
i was thinking about getting 7 of these to run an office, but they are hdmi.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TBS2910-Mat...1085685686?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item4d163ea3b6
and i stumbled apon this anyone tried this yet? idk how it interacts with android to get the display, but it must work somehow lol
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MHL-Micro-U...Phone_PDA_Cables_Adapters&hash=item4ac7878c5f
<img src="http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTAxWDQyMA==/z/vKYAAOxy4M5R9wYk/$(KGrHqEOKpwFHcVK2kc5BR9wYkDdGg~~60_3.JPG">

I've been researching the same kind of thing. I have an android head unit that I want to show everything I see on my roof screen but so far no luck. I have tried UBS to RCA and UBS to VGA adaptors but so far no luck. I even thought maybe something like android to android screen share like 'say' mobile-phone to android-tv-box and connect the tv-box in the car and share my Android head-unit to the tv-box but I can't find an app that works with doing that either.

Ran into 2 must have apps IMO anyway...

1) PowerMax: I've been searching for a good battery saver app and I've tried all of the ones I could find and just wasn't happy with their claims and performance. I stumbled upon PowerMax, tried it out with its full feature version for a 7 day trial. I was amazed at how great this app works. It's a simple one click program that you use when you shut your phone off. I use every time I shut off my phone. It shuts everything it can down but you can receive calls, texts, alarms, tweets etc. When you turn your phone on it restores all your settings back to what you had and if you look at your battery level, I use a numbered on in the status bar so I can see the exact number, you should have lost very little and I mean very little battery level. My Epic on Froyo was horrible but with this app when not using the phone the battery level stays pretty much close to what it was when you shut it off. Overnight you also keep a great amount of your charge if you don't plug it in.
2) AirDroid: First I only have working Mac's and one dead PC so not only can't I root my phone I always have trouble trying to get my computer to see my phone so I can do backups of my files. This is a new app, I was actually the first one to download it, its that new. No need for your cable. Just your phone on the same network as your computer. Start the app it gives you an IP address and password. You launch a web browser on your computer and you have a nice graphical interface of what's on your phone. The speeds are nice. You can upload (Import), download (Export), delete, back up even your system files as well as all your apps on the phone and SD card. Photos, music etc. Basically its kind of like a nandroid back up for non rooted phones. It evens has a Tether and mobile hotspot button. Haven't tried that but its there. I've been playing around with it for since I found the app and its never force closed or had any problems. I did have one occasion where my computer web browser force closed but I've had that happen just using it although rarely. I used Safari but I'm going to try it on other browsers I have installed and see how they work on them. Not sure if those who are rooted really need it but it is a definate must have for non rooted phones at least. This has been the only one that has worked flawlessly so far with good speeds and the UI is very nice and easy to use.
Hope this helps others as much as its helped me. I have tried connecting to my computer at least 20 times so far and it has never failed to connect.
Jim Weda

You can't root a phone from Mac OS? That's weird (I wouldn't know). Have you ever considered trying something like VirtualBox, creating a virtual Windows/Linux machine and using USB passthru so the guest OS can see it? I'm pretty sure such a thing should be doable, and a virtual PC can be useful in other situations you may come across as well.

Inb4 Heimdall replaces Odin.
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josidhe said:
You can't root a phone from Mac OS? That's weird (I wouldn't know). Have you ever considered trying something like VirtualBox, creating a virtual Windows/Linux machine and using USB passthru so the guest OS can see it? I'm pretty sure such a thing should be doable, and a virtual PC can be useful in other situations you may come across as well.
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im "semi" in the same boat.. main comp is a mac, i have a PC from 2005 that i restored to use odin, although once it blue-screen-of-deathed right before i was going to click start on odin.. which made me **** my pants pretty much.. but i still odin EC05 with it and then turn the duties over to my mac
you can root with a mac. CWM 3.1.0.1 has a mac script that i use all the time..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1076967
the mac instructions from the OP:
Mac OSX
1. Extract zip to a folder
2. Ensure phone is in usb debugging mode and connected to your computer
3. Open a terminal and navigate to the unzipped folder
4. Type: chmod 777 run.sh
5. Type: ./run.sh
6. Follow on screen instructions
let me kno if i can help.. seeing someone without root who wants it makes a single tear roll down my cheek
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Fire n mage said:
Inb4 Heimdall replaces Odin.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using xda premium
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tried endlessly to get it to work on my mac.. 10.6.8
cant be done ive decided.. heimdall for mac apparently does not work, for the epic, at least

Fire n mage said:
Inb4 Heimdall replaces Odin.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using xda premium
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Never going to happen
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Its not so much that "rooting" can't be done with Mac but more the lack of people who are "experts" at doing everything on a Mac. The issue I have is, unless I'm missing something is that usually Mac OS X 10.5 or higher is required. I really do want to get into the root game and explore the full potential of my phone but it just seems to be best doing so on a PC.
I have been a Mac fan since 1985 but did have to learn how to use and learn about fixing and setting up PC on a lower level because of a job I had a long time ago. I also do have an HP Pavillion a1710n desktop that I would love to use for Android purposes only but the problem I'm having is that the drive doesn't have Window's on it. I have been trying for almost a month trying to successfully install Windows Vista or 7 from iso files that a couple friends have let me use to get the computer up and running since HP has been no help at all and they never include physical disks with their computers. I know its not any hardware issues because I've done the testing and all the hardware checks out. I get all kinds of messages from the PC while attempting to install the system as to why it cannot finish the install. Never the same reason, never at the same point and after much research on the net I see there are many others out there complaining about the same thing.
I'm not being cheap. I'd purchase a retail version of Windows but I have been on disability for almost 2 years now and can't afford to pay $130+ right now which is why my friend has sent me an iso file so I could at least get my computer going. A real treat would be if someone would come out with the old z4Root type apps that allow you to root directly from you phone but no one seems to be interested in developing them anymore or the newer Android updates make it harder to do.
I would appreciate any help on how to successfully get Windows to install on my HP. Thanks in advance.
Jim
P.S. The other reason I'd like to get the PC running is so that I can learn how to eventually create apps for Android. I'd start by learning how to make themes, kernals etc, and eventually get more into learning programming for apps and such.

DrKaotica,
Thanks for the info and your offer to help if I need someone to ask who knows how to do things on the Mac. I have a feeling that you are running 10.5 or higher though which is why you are able to successfully play with your phone. If not and you're running 10.4 or less I'd be interested in learning more from you and your experience. Thanks in advance.
Jim

ac16313 said:
Never going to happen
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Well for Mac at least it's the only alternative
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jimweda said:
DrKaotica,
Thanks for the info and your offer to help if I need someone to ask who knows how to do things on the Mac. I have a feeling that you are running 10.5 or higher though which is why you are able to successfully play with your phone. If not and you're running 10.4 or less I'd be interested in learning more from you and your experience. Thanks in advance.
Jim
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I am running 10.6.8 on mine.. I haven't read that 10.5 or higher is required to use the one click root script with mac, but its certainly possible.
Id say give the script a try, at your own risk of course... if your phone isn't recognized then its not likely to cause any damage
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Fire n mage said:
Well for Mac at least it's the only alternative
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Who likes Mac's anyway?
Lol but honestly id prefer Heimdall also if I hadn't made myself familiar with the more noobish Odin
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Believe newegg has Windows 7 Home Premium for 80 bucks right now. As for trying to get it installed on the HP, sounds like it might be a hard drive issue. Especially if it gives you different errors at different times, your hard drive might be dying, and if windows installer puts files on a sector of your HD that has gone bad, it won't be able to read the file and will give you an error.

jimweda said:
Its not so much that "rooting" can't be done with Mac but more the lack of people who are "experts" at doing everything on a Mac. The issue I have is, unless I'm missing something is that usually Mac OS X 10.5 or higher is required. I really do want to get into the root game and explore the full potential of my phone but it just seems to be best doing so on a PC.
I have been a Mac fan since 1985 but did have to learn how to use and learn about fixing and setting up PC on a lower level because of a job I had a long time ago. I also do have an HP Pavillion a1710n desktop that I would love to use for Android purposes only but the problem I'm having is that the drive doesn't have Window's on it. I have been trying for almost a month trying to successfully install Windows Vista or 7 from iso files that a couple friends have let me use to get the computer up and running since HP has been no help at all and they never include physical disks with their computers. I know its not any hardware issues because I've done the testing and all the hardware checks out. I get all kinds of messages from the PC while attempting to install the system as to why it cannot finish the install. Never the same reason, never at the same point and after much research on the net I see there are many others out there complaining about the same thing.
I'm not being cheap. I'd purchase a retail version of Windows but I have been on disability for almost 2 years now and can't afford to pay $130+ right now which is why my friend has sent me an iso file so I could at least get my computer going. A real treat would be if someone would come out with the old z4Root type apps that allow you to root directly from you phone but no one seems to be interested in developing them anymore or the newer Android updates make it harder to do.
I would appreciate any help on how to successfully get Windows to install on my HP. Thanks in advance.
Jim
P.S. The other reason I'd like to get the PC running is so that I can learn how to eventually create apps for Android. I'd start by learning how to make themes, kernals etc, and eventually get more into learning programming for apps and such.
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First off, are you using a dual.layered discfor the install.
Second, try to use an easier linux distro, instead of windows if you are looking to go that route?
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GrStead123 said:
Believe newegg has Windows 7 Home Premium for 80 bucks right now. As for trying to get it installed on the HP, sounds like it might be a hard drive issue. Especially if it gives you different errors at different times, your hard drive might be dying, and if windows installer puts files on a sector of your HD that has gone bad, it won't be able to read the file and will give you an error.
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Right now being temporarily disabled $80 needs to go towards my monthly bills but thanks for the info. All I can do for testing the PC components is what I can do in the cmd.exe window like chkdsk etc., unless someone knows of any freeware type bootable diagnostics programs that can check the status of the hardware. I've been trying to find a bootable program that will allow me to test the PC and also partition my hard drive but haven't found anything. Any ideas would be appreciated. I have searched the internet for all error codes or messages I run into and there are tons of other PC users complaining about the same issues and they've swapped all kinds of hardware and still can't install Windows. I think if I can find a bootable diagnostics software and partion my hard drive I should be able to get it up and running.
I've been able to install Windows 7 4 times but they were all unstable. Windows Vista 2 times and the same, unstable but these were iso copies borrowed from a friend.

"First off, are you using a dual.layered discfor the install.
Second, try to use an easier linux distro, instead of windows if you are looking to go that route?"
Using standard 4.7GB DVD discs. I have no idea what linus distro is but willing to try anything just to get this PC up and running. Is that a different operating system? I'll google it but any info and links you can give me would be appreciated. Thanks.
*Two things that seem to help get the discs to install is when I do these commands in the cmd.exe shell. 1) format c: 2) chkdsk c: /r and then do a clean install. Not 100% but 80% of the time. I thought you could partition your hard drive in the cmd shell but I can't find a command for it. Anyone know how to create a partition on a computer with no system installed? All I have is what is located in the X:\ directory.

DrKaotica said:
I am running 10.6.8 on mine.. I haven't read that 10.5 or higher is required to use the one click root script with mac, but its certainly possible.
Id say give the script a try, at your own risk of course... if your phone isn't recognized then its not likely to cause any damage
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Its not one click root script needing 10.5, its Heimdall. I've already tried to run it.

jimweda said:
"First off, are you using a dual.layered discfor the install.
Second, try to use an easier linux distro, instead of windows if you are looking to go that route?"
Using standard 4.7GB DVD discs. I have no idea what linus distro is but willing to try anything just to get this PC up and running. Is that a different operating system? I'll google it but any info and links you can give me would be appreciated. Thanks.
*Two things that seem to help get the discs to install is when I do these commands in the cmd.exe shell. 1) format c: 2) chkdsk c: /r and then do a clean install. Not 100% but 80% of the time. I thought you could partition your hard drive in the cmd shell but I can't find a command for it. Anyone know how to create a partition on a computer with no system installed? All I have is what is located in the X:\ directory.
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You can use in recovery...
Diskpart /add
/delete
device_name
drive_name
partition_name
size
As necessary, to partition from inside recovery..
And yea, linux distros are technically "linux distributions", different versions of linux. If you are looking to get into programming, starting somewhere like linux getting used to cmd line controls versus Windows style navigation is a decent starting point..
Google will help with all of that...
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Also, about bootable software, google partition magic, you can use that with most Windows computers. Dell's will sometimes throw some curveballs, but a good utility none the less..
Also, if malware is your problem, look up Combofix..
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Diskpart /add
/delete
device_name
drive_name
partition_name
size
As necessary, to partition from inside recovery..
And yea, linux distros are technically "linux distributions", different versions of linux. If you are looking to get into programming, starting somewhere like linux getting used to cmd line controls versus Windows style navigation is a decent starting point..
azyouthinkeyeiz said:
Also, about bootable software, google partition magic, you can use that with most Windows computers. Dell's will sometimes throw some curveballs, but a good utility none the less..
Also, if malware is your problem, look up Combofix..
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Thanks for the cmd help. I did find something called Hiren's Boot CD 15.1, free with tons of utilities. Just ran sectors on HD and not even one error. Always format prior to install so I would think any malware would be wiped as well. Doing a deep clean next to make sure and will test out their partition app.
I am trying to run Windows so I could install Android SDK/Java JDK/Java JRE/Eclipse and was thinking about learning Java for programming. Thinking of trying to play around with Themes, kernals etc, first while trying to figure out Java coding which seems to be a popular choice for getting a grasp on working on Android. I will look into Linus Distros though. I don't want to pass up anything that would be helpful. Thanks for your info. I really appreciate it.

Where did you see that you could move system apps? All I see is the SD card.

wow, airdroid is very cool, basically makes your phone a local webserver!