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No need to read... I am just gonna vent a little

I was fooling myself that I got great phone, but I am done as of now... windows mobile is a piece of broken, plastered together laggy piece of ****. No miracle ROM is going to change that. I have spent $350 on a piece of garbage. I am waiting for a Iphone 4G and going to buy some more AAPL shares. Thanks to all the Chefs and great community here for at least trying to make this miserable phone work a little bit better.
Good luck everybody
Ex Rhodium owner

How long did you have your device? I know your tired of it but Athine OS ROM may give it a fresh breath.
Why Apple? I mean that Sh*& is SOO locked down! you will likely have to jailbrake it to as much as tether(simular on windows/android but you dont have to boot connected to black box or PC)
And i do sympathize with you about WinMo it is laggy out of the box. myself I enjoy tweaking and learning how it ticks.
However if i may i would like to suggest the evo 4g. its android. people who know know. you know?
my beef with apple is while i like my apple II C i did not pay for it and ill never give them a cent. good luck running flash with Iphone 4g as they pissed off adobe and simply wont support it out of the box.
Now as for Windows Phone 7 thats just garbage! its so sad to see the HD3 coming out with that. poor thing wont be able to multi task or copy/paste!
Now I only use windows on a PC when I absolutely HAVE to other than that im on Linux.
The evo 4g and iphone 4g will debut around the same time (June/2010) and HD3 will come out when it does, i dont remember when.
In summary it cool to have beef with Microsoft but go Linux(Android) first NOT Apple!!
Thats my vent thanks if you read it have a great day

I have had my phone for 9 months. Long enough to express my opinion. Rhodium is great phone, best keyboard I have seen. You said that WinMo is great for tweaking, but I need my phone to work, funny that is has been advertised a business phone.
I don't want to tweak it, I want it to work. I need to take pictures wile on the job, email or MMS them to my partner, listen to streaming music while traveling between the work sites and use calendar. Is it too much to ask ? I have tried to use use iphone for week, it just works, I can do everything... no stress UI just flows, fast responsive, emailing taking pictures and listenig to online radio , everything working right out of the box. Paypal, grooveshark they dont even have applications for WinMo.... this OS is falling into obscurity and they don't want to put their applications on it. I feel like an imbecile that i fell work "business" marketing garbage. I will definitely look into evo 4g, but I am not going back to WinMo. Anybody wants to buy a Rhodium ?

Not that my suggestion will make any difference, but if you want a plain phone that just works throw HTC Sense into the virtual recycle bin...HTC sense is much more for multimedia than business. There are some great WinMo apps that spruce up the basic today screen to give you quick links. You can also try out Titanium, which a lot of people have done some cool UI stuff with.
You can actually download nanoshark, which I believe is a UI to interact with grooveshark. I've also found (not tested) a paypal software for WinMo in one search: http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-paypal-mobile-by-smarttouch.html
At the end of the day, it seems those who throw in the towels have made up their mind day 1. Best of luck w/ your next phone and I really do hope you think twice about over paying and lining apples pocket.

I had same feelings as you...... BUT!!
bombastus said:
I was fooling myself that I got great phone, but I am done as of now... windows mobile is a piece of broken, plastered together laggy piece of ****. No miracle ROM is going to change that. I have spent $350 on a piece of garbage. I am waiting for a Iphone 4G and going to buy some more AAPL shares. Thanks to all the Chefs and great community here for at least trying to make this miserable phone work a little bit better.
Good luck everybody
Ex Rhodium owner[/
I bought my Tilt2 and had it about 6 months and was sick about how it preformed in every way. I taught myself how to flash ROM's by reading forum after forum after forum. Thanks to all the guys on this forum that has made me proud to be an owner of a Tilt2. There are many great ROM's here to try but if you only have time to try just one, please try valkyrie.ftp v6.2.25009TR2.5 you will love your phone. In my area my internet speeds are better than any iPhone I have came across. I take them to mobilespeedtest.com and they are like ... dang man ... now what kind of phone did you say you had. lol Trust me man, b4 you sell your phone or trade it off, try this ROM and let the fun begin ....... been there ..... now loving my Tilt2 .... good luck!!!
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bombastus said:
I was fooling myself that I got great phone, but I am done as of now... windows mobile is a piece of broken, plastered together laggy piece of ****. No miracle ROM is going to change that. I have spent $350 on a piece of garbage. I am waiting for a Iphone 4G and going to buy some more AAPL shares. Thanks to all the Chefs and great community here for at least trying to make this miserable phone work a little bit better.
Good luck everybody
Ex Rhodium owner
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if anything go with the EVO 4g...it blows iphone 4g out da water..plus it has two cams for video conferencing and a 4.3 in. AMOLED capacitive touchscreen with pinch to zoom. plus the new wimax frequencies. or that new dell thunder coming out is looking pretty hot right now.
sorry to hear about ur bad experience with WM. after doing the various fixes and patches, my device NEVER lags on the TF3d UI or while in wm. everything works..can easily do all the stuff u said iphone 4g can do with no problems. fixes/patches meaning: memory leak mod, sd tune up, no push internet, dynamic proxy, deleted bloatware, plus my AtmDng 3d driver helps alot.
im due for an official upgrade from at&t. ima eventually let my girl have this one. i want a bigger screen...lol there are some powerhouse devices about to drop this summer and fall. this rhodium is just my training grounds for future devices. i got this as a warranty replacement for my original kaiser/tilt, since they stop makin them or whatever.. wrked out good for me..lol the phone now is a million times better and faster thn when i took it out the box. Go XDA

The Iphone/ipods are designed that anyone from the age of 3 years to 90 years old can pick it up and just use it. Which is great... BUT when you want to do something with it it wasnt originally intended to do you have to wait for their "official updates" or jailbreak your phone which alot of mac-aholics are nervous about. The great thing I have seen about windows phones is dev's have actually developed ways to get the phones up to par with newer models without having to flash and void warranties. This I realized very quickly when I moved from palm to htc and had my Vogue. I was able to get TF2D working on that before TF2D was even released. Now if you still have the Vogue you can actually have it working as a fully fledged android device!
The Touch Pro and Touch Pro 2 were the same. Right now you don't even need to have to flash a custom rom to get sense 2.5 running anymore. They have that all cabbed up for us (mind you I still flash.) Taking programs from other phones and tweaking them to work on ours seems to work fairly easy as well.
You can't do HALF the things possible with the iphones you can do with even the most basic windows mobile phone. The phone thing I thought the Iphone had that was better then the touch pro was the screen size. However, the display resolution was just garbage. That was quickly fixed with the Touch Pro 2 I would say.
Basically think of the Iphone like an automatic car..... then windows mobile phones are more like standard/stick cars. You have more control over what the "Car" can do and when... you can tweak its performance to better suit whatever your need might be.
If you like the Iphone interface guess what... you can download a skin that mimic's it almost exactly!!!

bombastus said:
Anybody wants to buy a Rhodium ?
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Hey! I do !

The Iphone/ipods are designed that anyone from the age of 3 years to 90 years old can pick it up and just use it. Which is great... BUT when you want to do something with it it wasnt originally intended to do you have to wait for their "official updates" or jailbreak your phone which alot of mac-aholics are nervous about. The great thing I have seen about windows phones is dev's have actually developed ways to get the phones up to par with newer models without having to flash and void warranties. This I realized very quickly when I moved from palm to htc and had my Vogue. I was able to get TF2D working on that before TF2D was even released. Now if you still have the Vogue you can actually have it working as a fully fledged android device!
The Touch Pro and Touch Pro 2 were the same. Right now you don't even need to have to flash a custom rom to get sense 2.5 running anymore. They have that all cabbed up for us (mind you I still flash.) Taking programs from other phones and tweaking them to work on ours seems to work fairly easy as well.
You can't do HALF the things possible with the iphones you can do with even the most basic windows mobile phone. The phone thing I thought the Iphone had that was better then the touch pro was the screen size. However, the display resolution was just garbage. That was quickly fixed with the Touch Pro 2 I would say.
Basically think of the Iphone like an automatic car..... then windows mobile phones are more like standard/stick cars. You have more control over what the "Car" can do and when... you can tweak its performance to better suit whatever your need might be.
If you like the Iphone interface guess what... you can download a skin that mimic's it almost exactly!!!
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good analogy..on wm like a manual/stick
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I know what you mean, execpt for me it is just the opposite. I got my Tilt 2 after I threw my iPhone across the room because you can't do a damn thing with it unless you jailbreak it and then it never is quiet right. I have a Samsung that is goatbreaked and a Motorola that is modded and now I am learning this Windows Mobile stuff. It is fun and most of the stuff I try actually works. Go figure!!! LoL !!! anyway I guess that is my two cents and to each his own. Good luck with your iPhone if it fits your needs. - Take care

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I don't want to tweak it, I want it to work. I need to take pictures wile on the job, email or MMS them to my partner, listen to streaming music while traveling between the work sites and use calendar. Is it too much to ask ?
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All of these things worked just fine for me out of the box on my ATT Tilt2, and that stock ROM has been blasted as the worst, most bloated version.
And what is so hard about taking pictures with the TP2? Its simple and works great. And low-light photos on the iPhone are absolutely aweful on the iPhone. In a side-by-comparison, indoor low light photos on the TP2 blow away the iPhone.
Going from the TP2 to the iPhone is one end of the spectrum to the other. I'll agree that if you don't like to tweak and customize, than the TP2 is probably not for you. And the iPhone is about as customizable as a microwave oven.

So, not to miss out on the Windows Phone 7 bashing...

I went to the AT&T store last night for two reasons: 1. To play with WP7 on a live device so I could reject it with authority; and 2. to resign myself to replacing my iPhone 3G with an iPhone 4 and a package of prayers for an unbroken back.
What I found surprised me. Now mind you, I'd played with the emulator so I knew the basics of how the OS operated, but man...in person on a real device is a whole other ballgame. I was so surprised at how fast, responsive and intuitive the device was that I began to think I might actually buy one. "But the app store sucks, I hear!" so I took a look--and discovered that all but ONE of the apps I use on my iPhone were already there (minus a couple of specific games titles like awesome solitaire, but meh, it's solitaire, who effing cares?).
So I bought the phone. Today I found via techbargains.com that AT&T is offering $75 off any smartphone, with free activation (iPhone excluded,) so I called and got them to apply that, crediting me $93. Effectively I bought a new focus for $125, which seemed pretty damn good to me.
So far, I really think the device is fantastic, and side by side with iOS...it really makes Apple's mobile OS seem rather antiquated.
So basically that's it: I've switched back to Windows Mobile, and I'm not looking back

kudos for the actually going to the store to play before making a judgment and double kudos for buying one over an iphone 4. Did you get the Focus or the Surround?

I hear that the focus is a really great phone.

Aturayd said:
kudos for the actually going to the store to play before making a judgment and double kudos for buying one over an iphone 4. Did you get the Focus or the Surround?
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Got the focus, as I wanted the larger screen. Plus, truly, I wasn't impressed with the surround's speakers enough to warrant the extra bulk . I'd read that the focus "felt cheap," but to me it seems solidly built--just not heavy. But frankly, I like that--the device is incredibly comfortable to hold and operate.
I'm sure everyone here already knew about this, but I just found out about an hour ago: Voice command. It works REALLY well. I'm a Systems Engineer by trade, and my coworkers are all geeking out at the new phone. I think it may have caused spontaneous nerdgasms in half a dozen people so far today, LOL.

What is the battery life like... is it better than say a hd2? Will it go 2 days without charge?
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What is the battery life like... is it better than say a hd2? Will it go 2 days without charge?
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Haven't had it long enough to comment intelligently on the battery life . I can tell you that with HEAVY usage today (read: 6 guys passing the thing around, loading apps, web surfing, downloading apps, trying out Xbox Live games, etc) it got down to 30% battery life as of 4:00PM; it's been off the charger since 7AM, and being played with extensively from 10AM onward. I've downloaded over 1GB worth of stuff just this afternoon.

Note, the battery life will get longer after a few charge/discharge cycles (and when its not played with as much)
I'm not sure how different the Omnia 7 is in hardware specs, but during a 'work day (8 hours)' i dropped to 3/4.
I have had it for a week, so I'm still fiddling often, but not as much.
My friend got his Omnia 7 2 days ago. yesterday he had the battery at critical over the same time period (so it does improve)

microhaxo said:
I hear that the focus is a really great phone.
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So check this out. Met with a buddy of mine for lunch, and mostly spent the hour with him playing around with my focus. He runs a small consulting firm with about 30 techs, mostly on a mix of iPhones and Blackberries. I just got a call from him:
"Hey, loved your phone today. I just got in touch with my AT&T rep, confirmed I can get the $75 off promotion. I'm moving the whole company to Windows Phone 7 effective when we take delivery of the new phones next week. Thanks for letting me get my hands on it!"
I'm shocked, but not *too* shocked. Personally I'd still wait awhile before moving over my business entirely (mostly for the first update and maybe the app store to mature a little more,) but he's a tech genius, so if it's good enough for him, I see no reason to argue

mei_liberi_fatali said:
Note, the battery life will get longer after a few charge/discharge cycles (and when its not played with as much)
I'm not sure how different the Omnia 7 is in hardware specs, but during a 'work day (8 hours)' i dropped to 3/4.
I have had it for a week, so I'm still fiddling often, but not as much.
My friend got his Omnia 7 2 days ago. yesterday he had the battery at critical over the same time period (so it does improve)
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Good to hear, thanks . I'm now on the prowl for a decent class 6 32GB MicroSD for the sucker. I've never used more than 8 (even when I had a 16GB iPhone) but I think with the Xbox Live games, I'm likely going to!

Probably it is a good idea to wait a bit for WP7 certified memory cards. Microsoft says it is not all about the speed class.

b_u_d said:
What is the battery life like... is it better than say a hd2? Will it go 2 days without charge?
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why do you need to go two days without charging your phone? You do have electricity don't you?

Also nice to see the WP7 app count now over 2000+.

nrfitchett4 said:
why do you need to go two days without charging your phone? You do have electricity don't you?
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Yea i've never understood the 2 day thing
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jasongw said:
I've switched back to Windows Mobile
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Buying a Windows Phone 7 is *not* switching to "Windows Mobile."
WP != WM
But it's all good -- glad you're liking the phone! I like my HD7 too.

jasongw said:
I went to the AT&T store last night for two reasons: 1. To play with WP7 on a live device so I could reject it with authority; and 2. to resign myself to replacing my iPhone 3G with an iPhone 4 and a package of prayers for an unbroken back.
What I found surprised me. Now mind you, I'd played with the emulator so I knew the basics of how the OS operated, but man...in person on a real device is a whole other ballgame. I was so surprised at how fast, responsive and intuitive the device was that I began to think I might actually buy one. "But the app store sucks, I hear!" so I took a look--and discovered that all but ONE of the apps I use on my iPhone were already there (minus a couple of specific games titles like awesome solitaire, but meh, it's solitaire, who effing cares?).
So I bought the phone. Today I found via techbargains.com that AT&T is offering $75 off any smartphone, with free activation (iPhone excluded,) so I called and got them to apply that, crediting me $93. Effectively I bought a new focus for $125, which seemed pretty damn good to me.
So far, I really think the device is fantastic, and side by side with iOS...it really makes Apple's mobile OS seem rather antiquated.
So basically that's it: I've switched back to Windows Mobile, and I'm not looking back
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That's my sentiments too. That's why I made a thread about WP7 (on the HD7) being like a high-end Lexus or Infiniti...very, very sophisticated and elegant.
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Got the focus, as I wanted the larger screen. Plus, truly, I wasn't impressed with the surround's speakers enough to warrant the extra bulk . I'd read that the focus "felt cheap," but to me it seems solidly built--just not heavy. But frankly, I like that--the device is incredibly comfortable to hold and operate.
I'm sure everyone here already knew about this, but I just found out about an hour ago: Voice command. It works REALLY well. I'm a Systems Engineer by trade, and my coworkers are all geeking out at the new phone. I think it may have caused spontaneous nerdgasms in half a dozen people so far today, LOL.
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Hahahaha...they must have been very sticky by day's end.
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Haven't had it long enough to comment intelligently on the battery life . I can tell you that with HEAVY usage today (read: 6 guys passing the thing around, loading apps, web surfing, downloading apps, trying out Xbox Live games, etc) it got down to 30% battery life as of 4:00PM; it's been off the charger since 7AM, and being played with extensively from 10AM onward. I've downloaded over 1GB worth of stuff just this afternoon.
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I turned off the GPS, like I do on my HD2 (using WM or Android) and it makes a significant difference in BL.
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Good to hear, thanks . I'm now on the prowl for a decent class 6 32GB MicroSD for the sucker. I've never used more than 8 (even when I had a 16GB iPhone) but I think with the Xbox Live games, I'm likely going to!
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I hope you are aware that changing the MicroSD card will wipe the system. You basically are doing a hard reset to upgrade to a larger card.

MartyLK said:
That's my sentiments too. That's why I made a thread about WP7 (on the HD7) being like a high-end Lexus or Infiniti...very, very sophisticated and elegant.
Hahahaha...they must have been very sticky by day's end.
I turned off the GPS, like I do on my HD2 (using WM or Android) and it makes a significant difference in BL.
I hope you are aware that changing the MicroSD card will wipe the system. You basically are doing a hard reset to upgrade to a larger card.
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And the card isnt guaranteed to work. I personally wouldnt risk it.
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buying the phone on att website is only 100.00 before tax, free overnight shipping.

This is a great thread. I agree with the original poster - the Focus is a fantastic phone. Once you start to actually use WP7, and get a feel for the UI and how it operates, it's like a whole new world, and the iOS/Android icon grid system seems archaic in comparison.
I also agree that at this early stage, I can still find a relevant app for almost everything I have previously needed on Android.
Really liking WP7 overall. I think if people give it a chance and start to use it, they will see the difference as well.

Arg, the Dell Venue Pro is becoming more tempting with each day. Damn you for this thread, my better half is going to leave me if I drop another $500 on an unnecessary toy

f1restarter said:
Also nice to see the WP7 app count now over 2000+.
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Where do you find that info? I have noticed that on each of the two days I've now had the phone, new apps have appeared. So far I'm only missing really two apps from iPhone: a turn by turn GPS and Wordpress. I'm sure both will be along before long

What got you started on WP7?

I used to be one of the android tools blindly mocking WP7, it just looked... I don't know... bland. I wanted nothing to do with it. I always have at least 8 phones, new and old I like to tinker with both hardware and software. I found a guy on craigslist who wanted a behold 2 for his HD7.... I thought it was a joke... I mean he was hell-bent on the behold 2 so I figured "what the hell?" I dug up that sad excuse for a phone that I'd used for about 3 hours and called him up. He was so excited and dropped that phone on me like it was an envelope of anthrax. I figured I'd make a quick upgrade as I'd seen them going for G2s and MT4gs all over the place so I posted it. I got that mytouch 4g... screen felt tiny and the OS was just too slow... I'd used WP7 for less than 2 days and in that time I'd become an addict without even knowing I liked it. The speed, the quality of the UI, the social integration, just everything was so perfect for me... I quickly got rid of that MT4g for an unlocked Focus and since then have obtained every US released WP7 device and 2 of each the venue pro and the focus. The only android device I have remaining is a streak which is pretty much used exclusively for angry birds. I love the trade-off.

They're heavily discounted on the resale market here in Canada.
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for me...
from a phone perspective, i would say that i am a general user with power knowledge. given that, windows phone is perfect for me. after 6.5 where i had to mod it to death, i am happy to just have a phone that caters to my needs and does it well. i know there are still things missing, but what is missing, i rarely used it on wm6.5 anyways, so it hasn't bothered me all too much. and no, this doesn't mean i don't want updates, i want them, especially as it enhances user experience (e.g. faster performance, HTML5, etc), but i am content with what i got as well. also, i quite like the casual gaming perspective and i have an xbox gold subscription, so it was more than obvious that getting it together was only right, that and i use live services quite a bit, so really it all just went together.
but from a developer point of view, i have been doing C# for the last year at work, so it was also only right that i got a windows phone and began utilising my skills for it. i haven't created anything final yet, but i've looked into things and began stuffing around my it in the emulator. so yea, all in all, more because i already work with a lot of MS products, it is only right to have it married all together via windows phone.
That and Australia has SO many iPhone sheep, i didn't want to be one, and Android isn't all that appealing because it reminds me too much of the management i had to do for WM6.5. And no, neither iPhone or Android are bad units, i know how to use them both, and they definitely have things over WP, but not enough to make me say that i need it over WP.

I wanted to be on the ground floor of an OS and after having a mobile rep pull a demo hd7 from re back on launch day, I was sold in about 10 minutes. I had never used a phone so smooth out of the box. Tried the vibrant and there was no the fluidity I was looking for.
As a winmo user for several years, it is nice to hav AP hone that just works where I can play withmy phone instead of constantly flashing and tweaking it.
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z33dev33l said:
I used to be one of the android tools blindly mocking WP7, it just looked... I don't know... bland. I wanted nothing to do with it. I always have at least 8 phones, new and old I like to tinker with both hardware and software. I found a guy on craigslist who wanted a behold 2 for his HD7.... I thought it was a joke... I mean he was hell-bent on the behold 2 so I figured "what the hell?" I dug up that sad excuse for a phone that I'd used for about 3 hours and called him up. He was so excited and dropped that phone on me like it was an envelope of anthrax. I figured I'd make a quick upgrade as I'd seen them going for G2s and MT4gs all over the place so I posted it. I got that mytouch 4g... screen felt tiny and the OS was just too slow... I'd used WP7 for less than 2 days and in that time I'd become an addict without even knowing I liked it. The speed, the quality of the UI, the social integration, just everything was so perfect for me... I quickly got rid of that MT4g for an unlocked Focus and since then have obtained every US released WP7 device and 2 of each the venue pro and the focus. The only android device I have remaining is a streak which is pretty much used exclusively for angry birds. I love the trade-off.
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The appearance. I love the look of the UI and tried a couple Metro themes on WinMo and loved it. The whole UI is the only thing that grabbed me. But I also thought it was MS's iPhone...meaning something the huge company was going to do to compete with iPhone. That also meant, to me, superior quality.
But while I was trying Metro themes, I was keeping up with HD3 hardware rumors and the rumored specs, which turned out to be completely false, were very impressive and I just had to have an HD3.

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But while I was trying Metro themes, I was keeping up with HD3 hardware rumors and the rumored specs, which turned out to be completely false, were very impressive and I just had to have an HD3.
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i hope you realise that it was merely a design created by NAK. NAK create several concept phones with concept specs. they were never intended to be any more than that. when i first saw it, i was like... that would be pretty sweet, but seeing NAK logo, it was clear that it was just a concept phone.

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i hope you realise that it was merely a design created by NAK. NAK create several concept phones with concept specs. they were never intended to be any more than that. when i first saw it, i was like... that would be pretty sweet, but seeing NAK logo, it was clear that it was just a concept phone.
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LOL...hehe a lot of people made me aware of that over the few months before the real HD7 was released. I still kept hoping, though. Nevertheless, I was glad to get the real phone, regardless of the lowered specs.

yea. even though i own a trophy and i know it's probably the lowest in all the devices as there is no stand out feature, i'm still happy with my device.

i bought the HD 7 just because its windows... but to my surprise MS have developed a great mobile os... i have been using MS since PPC2000, wincCE.... and it was buggy... WP7 works out of the box as a phone, pda and a smart phone.. i know ppl will say dont have multitasking, cut and paste but to me its working very well till now....

I gave a little consideration to a Focus lately because I will be going over to AT&T within a month, but I'm just not too keen on Sammy quality lately. They had some big issue with a number of their phones and I'm wanting to avoid them. Too damn bad Dell doesn't put their WP7 phone out to the carriers to sell.

I started to use smartphone since O2 Xphone II. Moving to WM5, WM6, WM6.1 and jump over to BlackBerry due to the feature of push mail and social matter. I come back to WP7 after a year and am a happy user of WP7 now.

Good topic!
I had an original HTC Touch back in the day. It was awful. Then I switched back to a dumphone, the LG Voyager. Good little device, but the hardware broke after a year and a bit. So we upgraded. My wife got an iPhone, and there was nothing really that appealed to me. So I went with the Omnia 2. I knew winmo from before, and liked the look of it. But 6.5 proved to be the same frustrating experience as the HTC Touch (although I know most of the problems were due to bloatware from Samsung). I'm not profficient enough to flash, so I put up with it until I reached critical mass. I liked how my wife's iPhone "just worked". But I find iPhones themselves boring. Just rows of boxes. So I looked into Android, and found out it's the same as winmo (clutter, memory issues, fragmentation).
Then wp7 came out, I cautiously researched the hell out of it, and found that it was perfect for what I needed. it "just works", has xbox integration, office, etc. And for some reason I just love the look of it. I get so mystified when people say things like "boring dumb tiles" or "ulgy ass tiles". I don't know man, I just think wp7's look awesome. The tiles are great, it is the smoothest UI I've ever used, which to me, is bar none. Above all else on a smartpone, the UI should be front and centre.
So I went and got the Quantum (the only one available at the time), and was blown away by the hardware. I love heavy phones (feels like you've actually got something nice), and it's rigid and solid.
Anyways that's what got me here, and I expect to be a wp user for years.

my hd7 was a gift from my uncle.
i jumped from a sony ericsson s500i to an hd7

WP7 did not impress me until I touched the real phone at AT&T store. Operations are so fluid and the live tiles presents more than I expected.

Did anyone buy a new HTC Titan on ATT today 11/20

Does anyone want to post up some first impressions on their ATT titans!?

My local store didn't receive any. And from reading elsewhere online, a LOT of stores didn't receive them. Many are saying they're expecting them tomorrow (Monday) or later. A lot of stores didn't even know what it was.

None to be found in Central Florida.Same story , the store reps don't have a clue about anything. Very dissapointed

None of my local stores (Louisville, KY) received them.

I checked two stores, one told me that there was a problem with the shipping, and it wouldn't be until Monday, the other had no idea what I was talking about. Both had to look in their systems to know what the phone was. Very disappointing experience. Not so much that the phone was delayed, but in the absolute lack of knowledge of the phone itself.

I've been reading all over the same, which is bad because at&t is an official launch partner....

I got the only one in Gainesville, FL on Sunday. The rep who sold it to me was really great and positive about Windows Phone. I hope he has a week free of jerk customers. Also between the two stores I went to and three people I talked to, everyone knew what the Titan was immediately.

4.7". Hmmm...if the size keeps increasing, forget about pocket carrying, down the line there will be accessories such as trailers for hauling it around.
This reminds me of the Schick vs. Gillette rivalry. One comes out with 2 blade razors, the other, 3 blades. Then the first one puts out one with 4 blades. Now the other puts out 5 blades. Eventually the razor head will be so big it will require an exoskeleton suit to use it.

MartyLK said:
4.7". Hmmm...if the size keeps increasing, forget about pocket carrying, down the line there will be accessories such as trailers for hauling it around.
This reminds me of the Schick vs. Gillette rivalry. One comes out with 2 blade razors, the other, 3 blades. Then the first one puts out one with 4 blades. Now the other puts out 5 blades. Eventually the razor head will be so big it will require an exoskeleton suit to use it.
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Bah they have been shrinking, I've still have an HTC Advantage laying around and taking up a ton of space.

I live in Bellingham, Wa. and the Titan wasn't at my local AT&T store on it's release day either. When I went into the store and inquired about the Titan, the salesman had no idea what I was talking about. He didn't know that the phone existed until he went on the web. It's pretty pathetic. These guys/gals are supposed to be PHONE salesmen, but whenever I go into an ATT store I feel that they are Android/Apple reps in AT&T uniforms. When you ask about a Windows phone, they always give you a look like "Seriously, why do you want a Windows Phone?" and will try to persuade you to go either Apple or Android. They all claim that they've had multiple phones including Windows 7 phones, but it's obvious that they haven't. I know this because they never take you to a Windows phone to show off it's strengths. They just talk, talk, talk, about Android's customization abilities OR how Apple originated this and that, and how Android copied. I don't need their help to decide because I do a lot of research before making a phone purchase. Just give me the phone so I can go explore my Titan!!!

I went to look at it yesterday at my local store. The store manager knew exactly what I was asking about but told me that the shipment was delayed until Monday (today). So, I stopped by on my way in to work and get a good look at and feel of the Titan.
IMO, too big and too unoriginal. It just looks like a larger Inspire to me. Now, we all know that style is a personal thing, and not something that can be stated as fact. Unless we talk about the Pontiac Aztec, which is universally ugly. I will keep my Focus S(I know it looks just like the Galaxy S II, but I like it better!).

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I went to look at it yesterday at my local store. The store manager knew exactly what I was asking about but told me that the shipment was delayed until Monday (today). So, I stopped by on my way in to work and get a good look at and feel of the Titan.
IMO, too big and too unoriginal. It just looks like a larger Inspire to me. Now, we all know that style is a personal thing, and not something that can be stated as fact. Unless we talk about the Pontiac Aztec, which is universally ugly. I will keep my Focus S(I know it looks just like the Galaxy S II, but I like it better!).
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Some people are compelled to buy ugly things. Strange how it is but it seems to be a reverse psychology thing. A beautiful product from the beginning tends to become old and tired looking in a few years while a strange looking product tends to hold some form of interest much longer. A genuinely ugly product, like the Aztec or the Buick counterpart for example, will remain ugly.

[Q] Are you happy with your Lumia?

I recieved mine today, and while I need to upgrade my sim card to MicroSIM, I can tell that the first impression was good. the phone feels fast, and I think that with a bit of tweaking it could be even better. I only have to hope that people don't stop making apps for 7.5/7.8.
how about you? are you satisfied with your phone?

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I recieved mine today, and while I need to upgrade my sim card to MicroSIM, I can tell that the first impression was good. the phone feels fast, and I think that with a bit of tweaking it could be even better. I only have to hope that people don't stop making apps for 7.5/7.8.
how about you? are you satisfied with your phone?
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I am Quiet happy with mine
The Sales Guy who sold me the phone just cut my normal sim into a micosim and I am using that with no problem
Things I like :
1) Battery life in par with my SGS2 ( 13-19 hours depending on usage)
2) Nokia apps the best
3) I keep downloading more apps on my lumia 900 than I did on my HTC HD7
4) The screen is awesome in daylight ( even beating my SGS2 screen)
5) Camera setting tweaks can really give you awesome photos.
6) I really can't be bothered with us not getting WP8 as the phone does all that I need and I will buy the second generation wp8 as I am sure the first generation will have its on bug problems.
Do enjoy your Lumia its the best Wp7 out there...

that would be surprising, I've mostly heard "MID RANGE EXPENSIVE PHONE! NO WP8 UPGRADE! WORTHLESS!"

I'm happy with it as long as Nokia continue to sort out the niggles and bring out more new apps.
It works well at making and holding calls, the screen is excellent in sunlight, the camera seems good at taking pics outdoors, the battery is lasting me a good two days, and the satnav seems to work fine.
I don't care that much that it won't get WP8 as I see that as a different operating system. It would be the same as Microsoft saying that my current PC wouldn't be able to run Windows 8. It wouldn't worry me, I'd just continue with Windows 7 until I decide to upgrade my PC.

It's a terrible phone. Sorry Guys, no offense ... but I have a Lumia 900.1 from my employer for test purposes and I really dislike it. Here's why:
sharp corners. ouch
much heavier (5.7oz) than my samsung galaxy s2 with screen protector film (4.8oz)
windows OS is a real pain compared to my previous iPhone 3GS and Android, and the desktop / home screen is crazy ... black? Come on ... no photo / wallpaper? And that broad black strip on the right .. really? Wasted desktop space ... they have this massive screen and they choose to a) waste it on what look like melamine floor tiles and b) take even more space with a big fat black strip? Ugly. Plus, I get to choose exactly the colours that Microsoft want me to choose on my own desktop menu?
I have to PAY for Angry Birds?? Really?? Not on the iPhone or Android
and my biggest gripe ... Almost every useful app says this: "If you want to use me, you have to OK Microsoft and its partners getting yur WPS and GPS and other private information ... OK?" which makes me click "not OK, no" and which causes me to not be able to use maps etc .. even Sound Hound.
This phone is terrible. I LOVE (still) my other older Nikias ... tiny, powerful, reliable, robust, my 6301(b) even has hrdware wifi clling (UMA) ... AMAZING phones. Stereo FM radio etc etc. What the hec were Nokia thinking with this phone and what is up with Microsoft's OS??? It is generations behind.
I really wanted to love this phone. And as an ex-MSFTie, I really wanted to love MS OS. I have, after all, owned and loved other WinMo phones in the past. Eww... no thanks.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but this kind of attitude really winds me up...
heinrich said:
It's a terrible phone. Sorry Guys, no offense ... but I have a Lumia 900.1 from my employer for test purposes and I really dislike it. Here's why:
sharp corners. ouch
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That may be a minor issue, not enough for me to dislike the phone though.
heinrich said:
much heavier (5.7oz) than my samsung galaxy s2 with screen protector film (4.8oz)
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You're having trouble lifting 5.7oz?
heinrich said:
windows OS is a real pain compared to my previous iPhone 3GS and Android, and the desktop / home screen is crazy ... black? Come on ... no photo / wallpaper? And that broad black strip on the right .. really? Wasted desktop space ... they have this massive screen and they choose to a) waste it on what look like melamine floor tiles and b) take even more space with a big fat black strip? Ugly. Plus, I get to choose exactly the colours that Microsoft want me to choose on my own desktop menu?
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A phone is designed to be used, not looked at. Take it outside into strong sunlight and you will see the advantage of the large tiles on a black background.
heinrich said:
I have to PAY for Angry Birds?? Really?? Not on the iPhone or Android
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God forbid that you should have to pay for something that people spent time and money developing - yeah, everything should be for free and then the world would be perfect.
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and my biggest gripe ... Almost every useful app says this: "If you want to use me, you have to OK Micrisift and its partners getting yur WPS and GPS and other private information ... OK?" which makes me click "not OK, no" and which causes me to not be able to use maps etc .. even Sound Hound.
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How is this different to Google getting the same info about you? These days I actually trust Microsoft more than I trust Google, who seem to be becoming one of the most evil corporations around.

MS were able to keep a few folks happy but pissed crapload others. Handset makers were "left off the bus" with Nokia got the heaviest blow due to so much hype before L900 launch. Feel free to defend WP7 and Lumia 900. The phone supposedly started @ $100, went free due to a software bug, then back to $100 for like 2-3 weeks, then $50 (amazon) pre 6/20, and after TWO months from launch, FREE!
Feel free to defend MS. People have already left, however. Well I expect to be asked "why are you still here?" Allow me to explain that I once a long-time MS follower because I said no to apple fanboism and android pre-duo core era was crap. Now I can't even find a clue to back WP. I'm pissed, bitter, and frustrated those are my lingering feelings toward MS mobile division. I can't move on until I finally unload the last of these crappy feelings (wish they were as easy as unloading 3x L900 ).
L900 is a feature phone. Software wise: checked, hardware wise: checked.

My dad is thinking of getting me this for my bday, does this phone take micro SD cards? I'm not sure if I wanna switch + the windows market is nowhere near as good as the android/apple app market.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA

No SD card, and battery is not removable.
TYKIx said:
My dad is thinking of getting me this for my bday, does this phone take micro SD cards? I'm not sure if I wanna switch + the windows market is nowhere near as good as the android/apple app market.
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redwhiteandblue said:
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but this kind of attitude really winds me up...
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How is this different to Google getting the same info about you? These days I actually trust Microsoft more than I trust Google, who seem to be becoming one of the most evil corporations around.
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Sorry, not meaning to be offensive, just posting my opinion (we all have them and I have used a number of different phones. My point was that I really was trying to like the phone because of my MS and Nokia history
I am starting to agree with you about Google. But I don't relish giving YET ANOTHER giant, unfettered access to my sensitive information. Google does not have access to information I give SoundHound and other apps, and those apps do not have or ask access to my location and sensitive data. In fact I have made it a point (apart from Google who have access to my mail and everything else; and my Bank etc) to refuse to instal apps that need my personal or sensitive info.
Simply-put, given the choices of Google and Microsoft, I choose Google, because their invasion of my privacy, at least, gives me inreturn, a VERY SIGNIFICANT benefit. But the MS / Nokia thing ... not even close.

I just switched from a Samsung Focus to a Lumia 900 the other day. It does load apps noticeably faster than my previous phone. Touchscreen response seems a bit slower though.
Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express

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It's a terrible phone. Sorry Guys, no offense ... but I have a Lumia 900.1 from my employer for test purposes and I really dislike it. Here's why: ...
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I have a lot of problems with the Lumia 900, but your complaints are very superficial and, in my opinion, totally invalid. You even say that you were given the device by an employer, and it's obvious you would not have bought the Lumia 900 or any WP7.x device if you had the choice.
You complain about the styling: this is a subjective area and the "sharp corners" and "heaviness" are definitely some of the Lumia 900's strengths. I've used an Epic 4G Touch (Sprint's GSII) and it is very light - in a way that feels very cheap. The Lumia 900 is "much heavier" according to you, yet it's less than an ounce difference. The relative heaviness also adds a feeling of durability definitely not found in the featherweight GSII. Still, this is a subjective area.
Next, you complain about Windows Phone in general. Your biggest gripe is the intro screen to downloaded apps? You make a point to mention that you have to pay for Angry Birds? Makes me think you've spent very little time with this device. You obviously are not a fan of Metro, and singling this out as a flaw with the Lumia 900 are not appropriate.
You say you "really wanted to love this phone." And yet you dislike the styling, the weight, and the OS. What made you think you'd ever love this phone if you hate everything about it? Everything you complain about could be plainly deduced by just looking at a picture of this device. Did you not see this device at all before it was given to you? I'm not sure how you could've "wanted to love this phone."

After nearly three months, still enjoying my (original) beautifully different Lumia 900.
Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro

I really like my Lumia 900, I wanted one because of the bigger screen than the Lumia 800 and Front Camera, I preferred it to the HTC Titan and Titan 2 both of which I have owned & used, I was already very familiar with WP7 as owned a HD7 from day one so I knew exactly what to expect but got a few nice surprises with the Nokia software freebies, Design wise it is in a league of its own although not quite as cute as the Lumia 800, Nothing compares to it, I don't find it heavy at all, Battery life is good and performance wise it is very quick, It does everything I want and more, I am not fussed about it not getting a WP8 update and will be happy with the new home screen in WP7.8 along with whatever else they decide to throw in as long as it doesn't impair performance.

I like mine.
The first one I had was returned at about the 30 day mark when the capacitive buttons stopped working completely, but aside from that, it's been great.
I was expecting people to be complaining in here about the camera, lack of WP8 in the future, and the now-defunct data connection problem. Not sharp corners and unbearable heft @5.7oz. Geez.
Lack of home screen customization doesn't have to do with the Lumia 900 specifically; that's a well known, well publicized limitation of the OS itself and has been for eons. One would really assume that by now people would be talking about what they like and dislike about the phone as opposed to what they like and dislike about WP in threads specific to the phone like this. If people want to complain about WP7.X, there is a subforum for that.
My battery life has been great once I realized the MicroCell data connection was a huge drainer, calls are never dropped, I haven't had any forced restarts, and the hardware runs WP7.5 really quickly and smoothly.

Would you recommend this to someone coming from Android?
I'm on a budget and want something that's quick, expandable, and entertaining to use. The only thing that bothers me is the non HD screen, is it very noticeable?

as impopular as this might be, I'd say it's not a big issue.
HD films are too big to fit on the lumia anyway

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as impopular as this might be, I'd say it's not a big issue.
HD films are too big to fit on the lumia anyway
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Yeah, I never watched/loaded videos on my phone, I don't understand it. As long as I have YouTube, Pandora, and space for a few hundred songs I'm set lol. Btw, how's the DAC (audio) quality when listening through headphones? Are there equalizers available on the app store, market or whatever it is?

I prefer Lumia 900 over my iPhone 4S and Galaxy S2. Call quality and signal reception on this phone can't be beat. Believe or not Tango update actually has better management of LTE for me. I always have signal now, everywhere I go. Before Tango update, it was switching to 4G everytime I had one bar on LTE in places with bad reception even though LTE is much faster than 4G and has stronger signal; and 4G would crap out with no signal. Tango fixed that problem for me. My next phone is definitely a Nokia WP8. I don't see myself going back to Android. I would only switch to iPhone. Android isn't reliable enough for me and there are apps compatibility problems, especially in games. The thing I don't like about this phone is high background noise through headphone. I still have a Cowon J3 for music.

I absolutely love my Nokia Lumina 900. Everything is so perfect. Runs smooth my cyan 900 looks so cute and different. People at my work are always asking about my phone and want to play with my phone. Its the best WP7 I've had. I had an LG Incite and I loved that phone. Had a HTC HD7S and I loved that phone to death too! iOS and Android look so ugly. (and cheap because crappy tablets that sell at 50 dollars have android) was going to get the phone with beats audio but the biggest turn off was it had android. aside from not getting Windows Phone 8, I'm fine with that. Just waiting on a custom ROM with all languages like how I had for my HD7S using DeepShining.

I'm happpy with my Lumia 900. It's a great phone.
+ Battery life
+ Weight (the heaviness is a bonus; it feels durable and not cheap)
+ Size
+ Polycarbonate body + design
+ Screen quality, clear black technology
+ Windows Phone 7.5 (and 7.8 to come)
+ Nokia
- Light bleeding from capacitive buttons
- Clicking sound from bottom right hand side of the screen.
Overall I'd give the phone a 8.0/10. The minuses are unfortunate but don't occur in every phone, I was just unlucky I suppose.