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No manufacturers going to change it up?

I am wondering if any manufacturers are going to be different anytime soon? I am hoping that by July we will see a little "fragmentation" i.e. we have tegra 2 phone with 32GB data and a SAMOLED screen.
Or is chassis 1 very, very strict, that we are only going to see specs x.

well MS has set all minimum specs, but I'm guessing that for things like CPU, MS should define what manufacturers can use as they're all too scared to just put any chip in without causing damage to the WP image. Most of the variations at present can really come from the camera, on board memory (and sd slot), and the screen type. Everything else you'll find to be quite similar at this stage, but hopefully MS defines the other 2 chassis type so that more variations can come about.

Meh, its annoying that the closest to what I want is a slider.
I plan on never having a slider again after seeing pretty much every person who owned a slider(including me) have it break. Conditions don't seem to suit sliders much.
16GB, 4" AMOLED screen, SD slot and audio quality coming out of the phone that is just as good the the Zune HD's.
Omnia 7 just misses it by no SD slot, 16GB almost impossible to get in SA, and the audio out seems to have missed all the low bass?!
I use quality headphones + an amp, or I plug my phone into my speaker system or my car. I will notice those frequencies...
Though one thing I do not care for, definately goes to speaker quality, neer really cared about that.

Agree! if just ONE manufacture put their whole effort into 1 of their WP7 phones, it would wipe the floor with the competition and give us all an obvious choice when it comes to selecting a wp7 phone. instead, the choice is difficult and they are technically no better than the 18 month old HD2 if just one of these new phones had for example a front facing camera, 32gb nand memory or more... ive no doubt it would be everyones pick.

I think the Samsung Omnia is the best device, however its a shame that it only comes with 8GB memory and no way to expand it.

Phone Titan said:
I think the Samsung Omnia is the best device, however its a shame that it only comes with 8GB memory and no way to expand it.
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That's why the Venue Pro is better

Jim Coleman said:
That's why the Venue Pro is better
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I love this phone all except for slider if it was as slim as the HD7 I would not hesitate in getting one. The 4.1 AMOLED screen is just right and 16 GB memory will get me buy for now.

if i was patient enough i probably wuld have got the venue pro if it has 16gb

agp64 said:
I love this phone all except for slider if it was as slim as the HD7 I would not hesitate in getting one. The 4.1 super AMOLED screen is just right and 16 GB memory will get me buy for now.
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It's AMOLED without "Super". AFAIK, only Samsung phones have S-AMOLED display.

The chassis only stated minimums... The OEMS aren't building more expensive devices because they don't have to. When the OS has picked up and is selling more, then you'll see the superphones (The first Android phone was not an Evo)

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It's AMOLED without "Super". AFAIK, only Samsung phones have S-AMOLED display.
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Sorry my mistake.[Fixed] I was just reading up on the difference and the super looks a fair bit better again.

Mango Devices: Samsung lineup

Let's see, we have:
1) Samsung Focus S announced by AT&T
2) Samsung Focus Flash announced by AT&T
3) Samsung Omnia 7 S (made up name) leaked by the FCC
All these seem to sport Super AMOLED screens which is great. We do need information on availability and storage options but the Focus S sounds very promising. Today I'm much more likely to buy a Samsung Mango phone over a HTC.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-SGH-i708-hits-the-FCC-a-WP-Mango-remake-of-the-Omnia-7_id21955
http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/12/samsung-focus-focus-flash-headed-att-windows-phone-7-mango-on-board/

Focus or go home, pretty much. It's the best device confirmed to be coming out now.
4.3" SA+ screen @ WVGA is a lot more bearable than 4.7" SLCD @ WVGA. 1.4 GHz almost as good as 1.5. It has a 32 GB Option IIRC. Samsung tends to use NAND in their phones, so I'm hoping for that. Decent cameras, and the sound and cell radio are almost guaranteed to be better than HTC devices.
Too bad AT&T axed Unlimited Data. That's a showstopper for me, and I'm guessing lots of other people.

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Focus or go home, pretty much. It's the best device confirmed to be coming out now.
4.3" SA+ screen @ WVGA is a lot more bearable than 4.7" SLCD @ WVGA. 1.4 GHz almost as good as 1.5. It has a 32 GB Option IIRC. Samsung tends to use NAND in their phones, so I'm hoping for that. Decent cameras, and the sound and cell radio are almost guaranteed to be better than HTC devices.
Too bad AT&T axed Unlimited Data. That's a showstopper for me, and I'm guessing lots of other people.
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Super excited for the Focus S, assuming at least 24 GB will be available. Now, let's see what else will be coming out around that time...

@N8ter where did you get that 32GB info? Storage hasn't been mentioned. I hope it's a Worldwide phone unlike the first Focus.
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It's heresay. I have seen it mentioned by a few people at different sites. Sorry. That's why I put the "IIRC" part It's questionable.
If it has no 32GB option it'll be dead to me.
I'll buy a new iPod instead. Really, this is getting ridiculous.
I wonder if the new iPhone will have a 4" screen...
I spent about 2 grand on phones in 2010-2011. I'll be frugal for the next few years, so whatever phone I get in the next 1-3 months well... I'll just take a contract out cause I won't be giving anything else a try.
They better knock this **** out of the ballpark. Really, they're running out of chances and it's not like the issue of low storage in the devices wasn't a hot topic following the release of the 1st gen WP7 devices...

Though it voids the warranty WP7 are not hard to upgrade the memory. i'm being alittle hypocritical pointing this out, consdiering I bought a 32gb DVP when I could saved $100 getting a cheaper one with lower storage and upgrading. Prior to the DVP comingto AT&T I also got an HTC surround over the LG b/c of storage, though I prefer physical keyboards.

It depends on what WP7 device you have. It's not easy to upgrade the storage on an HD7. There is no user-accessible SD Card Slot. You literally have to open some of these phones up to get at those slots. Lots of devices have tape inside that clearly indicates if teh phone has been opened up. Some of them have stuff in the screws that makes it obvious if you even stuck a screwdriver in them, nevermind opened it up, and they'll void your warranty if that's been tampered with (they won't even touch it, they'll just say you're on your own - I know people this has happened to).
That's like saying it's not hard to remove the battery from an iPhone, in many cases.
$100 to go from 15 to 32G when you can be absolutely assured that it will work correctly is worth it. Many of us would have paid that, but we didn't get the choice - at all.
The DVP didn't have a 32G option until many months after it was released. For the first 6 months or so all Dell Had were 8 and 16 GB options.
Plus that device only has 256MB RAM, IIRC, which is a showstopper for me. Not to mention the camera on it is beyond terrible.

No. The DVP has 512 but the early tmo ones had a bug where the system only read half of the memory.
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This time around I'm a little undecided. I'm leaning towards the Focus S, but I would consider the Titan too. I would like to have a physical keyboard as well, but it seems all of the Mango devices aren't available with that option. I guess I might hold out for a little while, but I would like to upgrade before the end of the year.

macjr82 said:
No. The DVP has 512 but the early tmo ones had a bug where the system only read half of the memory.
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Good to hear. Thanks for correcting that.

The Omnia W has been officially announced today. If anyone can find full specs, please post them
http://wmpoweruser.com/new-samsung-windows-phone-device-omnia-w-announced/
http://asia.cnet.com/crave/samsung-announces-wp7-omnia-w-62211163.htm

Here are the specs: http://sammyhub.com/2011/09/26/samsung-announces-mango-os-running-omnia-w/
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No SAMOLED+ and just a 3.7" screen...disappointing.

george232 said:
No SAMOLED+ and just a 3.7" screen...disappointing.
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Supposedly it has lower specs so that it is priced competitively, makes total sense to me since they're already releasing the Focus S with SAMOLED+ and a 4.3" screen.

Jesus, these announcements are going to turn me into a WP7 hater soon.
Just what's wrong with these OEMs? Why in the world do they equate high end with oversized screens?
I'm don't want to go any bigger than 4", but 8GB of storage and PenTile? Screw it.

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It depends on what WP7 device you have. It's not easy to upgrade the storage on an HD7. There is no user-accessible SD Card Slot. You literally have to open some of these phones up to get at those slots. Lots of devices have tape inside that clearly indicates if teh phone has been opened up. Some of them have stuff in the screws that makes it obvious if you even stuck a screwdriver in them, nevermind opened it up, and they'll void your warranty if that's been tampered with (they won't even touch it, they'll just say you're on your own - I know people this has happened to).
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There's a pretty easy to follow guide to change the HD7's SD Card without voiding warranty. Don't have to take out the screw with the void warranty sticker on it & can move the tape out of the way pretty easily. That being said, never done it, because of the compatibility issues with SD Cards & WP7.

Picking your next Windows Phone... What is your priority feature?

Thought this might be interesting if I go by things I read on different threads.
This won't be the case but let's assume you can get any phone on any carrier and price isn't an issue.
How would you pick your next phone?
I allowed for multiple choice but try not to vote for 6 out of 8 or this won't teach us anything specific. And if you picked "Other", what did you have in mind?

Other: gyroscope support and > 1 GHz processor

My most important features: Screen size (less than 4"), Camera (high quality with dual led), and something not there build quality.
I am pretty much all in for the Nokia 800. Second choice is the Samsung Omnia W.

For me there has to be a hardware keyboard - I just hate capacitive touch keyboards.

Price, can't be more than $100 with no contract. And of course, significantly better than my LG Quantum, otherwise I have no reason to upgrade.

I LOVE massive phones, I went from my HD2, to an HD7, and if God would answer my prayers, the Titan would come to T-Mobile, though, soon enough it won't matter as I'm hoping we become AT&T. So, I voted for FFC since it's already a given to me that I'm going for a big phone. Screen type would probably be a close second for me, as I like the HD7 screen, but really wish it were a higher quality, but hey, I'm asking to be spoiled now, right?

It's odd to see one user out of two ready to buy a phone on its brand alone
I personally go for what I find better overall regardless of the OEM.

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Price, can't be more than $100 with no contract. And of course, significantly better than my LG Quantum, otherwise I have no reason to upgrade.
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Yeah I guessed price would come up for many people as well as choice given by the carrier which is why I said in the first post regardless of price and availability

Peew971 said:
It's odd to see one user out of two ready to buy a phone on its brand alone
I personally go for what I find better overall regardless of the OEM.
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I personally love HTC, I know I'm probably in the current minority, for some odd reason as they're the only phones to consistently update without an issue, but Nokia is also winning over my heart.

I really want my Mozart to be my last HTC ever. But it's been my desire to abandon them since like 2005, and I still was forced to buy their stuff because others were mostly even worse.
In your list, it goes like this: screen less than 4", 16GB minimum (64 preferred), usable camera, 1500+ mAH battery. No pentile crap. Looks are also kind of important, but I can live with something less than stellar.
The leaks and announcements really make me sad, I don't see anything really attractive. SeaRay is almost there but it looks like it'll come with PenTile, so it's most probably a no go...

I'm with FiyaFleye, I like HTC and and have seen problems that would affect with other OEMS that I don't have with my Fuze. Nokia I have no idea on that but haven't had one in 4 yrs and it was a dumbphone. However not willing to wait another 3 months+ for them either. I would like a hardware keyboard with a smaller screen would be first choice, or go with a big screen so I can type well. Extra nick nacks are always a plus if they are usable, and 1 gig > processor for some future app usage is good too.
This list would have been so much easier in Aug before they started announcing phones, I'm just waiting for mine to come to the USA.

I'd love to get my hands on a Nokia WP7 phone, but that could take a while and the HTC Titan is kinda expensive over here.
I'll prolly just get a Samsung Omnia W if I get too impatient, really wanna see what the better CPU/GPU can do for my emulator.
Also I'd really like to see some 32GB storage phones, 8GB is just killing me on my Trophy.

1. Storage, it must be at least 32gb
2. Nokia
I will only consider getting a phone that isn't a nokia if the storage space is 32gb or above (and nokia only offer 16gb variants).
If storage space doesn't improve by the end of the year I will probably jump ship to android, even though I prefer Windows Phone my music collection is a must for me.
I'm hoping *fingers crossed* that the Nokia 800 will come in 16gb and 64gb variants like the N9 and thus will be my next phone (in blue )

Manufacturer is gonna come into play for my next WP7. IE i'm not having another Samsung phone.

I went with screen size. 3.5" ish would be good. Also, want good battery life. At least a 1500mah battery.

Funny how so few people picked FF Camera when it's supposed to be an epic fail not to have it since Apple "invented" video chat

I would have bought that Samsung Omnia 7 W like today if it came with 16 GB...
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1. Storage...at least 32 GB
3. Camera quality
3. Screen quality
I don't know any one that actually uses the FFC...nothing but a gimmick.

I´m asking myself if I need a new WP in general...
My OMNIA 7 has all features I use daily (less DLNA and skype support).
So today I took a look at the new HTC devices:
1. HTC Omega is too small.
2. HTC Titan is too big for my taste.
The display is much better than the HD7 display but not even better than the OMNIA 7 display. Also the general quality of the phone is very good: less plastic parts and good working hardware buttons (compared with the HD7).
Do I need a HTC Titan 4.7" notebook in my pocket ? I don´t think so.
The upcoming OMNIA W will only have 8 GB, maybe 16GB... is this what I need ? I don´t think so either.
A general question is: Do I really need a FF cam ? How many videocalls I made in the past ? I only made normal voip calls...
I would say the only hope is that the NOKIA Empire strikes back... and I don´t think that the new devices will have more than 16 GB.
I hope that I´m wrong, but I think it´s better to wait 3 or 4 month before buying a new WP.
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I never thought I'd say this, but camera is my #1. Since everyone seems to be pinching pennies these days and both of my old 5MP point-and-shoots are just crappy, my phone has become my #1 camera for both stills and video. I remember when cameras first came out on cell phones and I was thinking, "why?" All that, and baby is now 12 weeks old, so I'm taking pictures like crazy!
Screen size is a close second. I doubt I could ever go smaller than my 4" Focus screen at this point.

Focus Flash somehow hooked me.

Well, I went to the AT&T store today with every intention of picking up a Samsung Focus S. However, when I went to the store, I actually liked the Flash better than the S. I truly thought the smaller size would be a turn off, but I actually had the opposite reaction. So, I bought one.
I have to say, the only real bummer for me is the 8GB of memory. Realistically though, it's not an issue anymore. I have had a Zune pass since the original Focus was released and there is plenty of space to sync the 3-4 playlists I listen to regularly. There was a point in time where I thought I had to have all 40GB of my music available, just in case. That just isn't the reality for me any longer. I have all the music I need synced and I still have over 4GB of space left. This should be plenty of space for the foreseeable future.
The camera is more than good enough for my use and the screen is outstanding as well. I have never been a fan of these huge screens that are being used on new devices. I feel like I have been forced to buy them in order to get the other high-end features. They may be great for media but they make the devices rather cumbersome overall. I compared the size to my iPhone 4 (work phone) and they are essentially the same. The Flash has a bigger display yet the overall size is nearly identical.
For the price point the Flash sits at, it is an amazing deal by any standard.

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Well, I went to the AT&T store today with every intention of picking up a Samsung Focus S. However, when I went to the store, I actually liked the Flash better than the S. I truly thought the smaller size would be a turn off, but I actually had the opposite reaction. So, I bought one.
I have to say, the only real bummer for me is the 8GB of memory. Realistically though, it's not an issue anymore. I have had a Zune pass since the original Focus was released and there is plenty of space to sync the 3-4 playlists I listen to regularly. There was a point in time where I thought I had to have all 40GB of my music available, just in case. That just isn't the reality for me any longer. I have all the music I need synced and I still have over 4GB of space left. This should be plenty of space for the foreseeable future.
The camera is more than good enough for my use and the screen is outstanding as well. I have never been a fan of these huge screens that are being used on new devices. I feel like I have been forced to buy them in order to get the other high-end features. They may be great for media but they make the devices rather cumbersome overall. I compared the size to my iPhone 4 (work phone) and they are essentially the same. The Flash has a bigger display yet the overall size is nearly identical.
For the price point the Flash sits at, it is an amazing deal by any standard.
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I am glad you found a device that suits your needs! The Focus Flash is def good value for the price. I too have Zunepass and only sync my playlists so storage isn't that high up my list.

Nice I've pre-ordered the European version (Omnia W) since it was pretty much dirt cheap with my existing contract. It basically has the same hardware as the Focus S and space shouldn't be that bothersome now that they've released the Spotify app.

naplesbill said:
Well, I went to the AT&T store today with every intention of picking up a Samsung Focus S. However, when I went to the store, I actually liked the Flash better than the S. I truly thought the smaller size would be a turn off, but I actually had the opposite reaction. So, I bought one.
I have to say, the only real bummer for me is the 8GB of memory. Realistically though, it's not an issue anymore. I have had a Zune pass since the original Focus was released and there is plenty of space to sync the 3-4 playlists I listen to regularly. There was a point in time where I thought I had to have all 40GB of my music available, just in case. That just isn't the reality for me any longer. I have all the music I need synced and I still have over 4GB of space left. This should be plenty of space for the foreseeable future.
The camera is more than good enough for my use and the screen is outstanding as well. I have never been a fan of these huge screens that are being used on new devices. I feel like I have been forced to buy them in order to get the other high-end features. They may be great for media but they make the devices rather cumbersome overall. I compared the size to my iPhone 4 (work phone) and they are essentially the same. The Flash has a bigger display yet the overall size is nearly identical.
For the price point the Flash sits at, it is an amazing deal by any standard.
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Hehe...that's how I feel about the Flash. I love the look of it. If it weren't for the limited storage, I'd be getting one myself. I may still do it anyway. But by the time I'm eligible for my upgrade, the 3rd gen. hardware will be out. Will be interesting seeing what that brings.

Yeah, I will be eligible around May of next year. Hopefully we we see some great devices in round three.
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I just saw that iTunes Match went live and for an annual fee. I think the more and more I see these cloud-based programs charging fees for things we all have been using for free with internal storage, the more willing I am to separate my music from my smartphone by using an MP3 player exclusively for music listening instead of letting it be combined with my phone. And as long as smartphone memory capacity continues to drop like it is on WP7, that will be my solution instead of chaining myself to a fee-based system from the cloud.
Knocking media storage capacity out and just using the internal storage of the latest WP7 phones for apps, games and data like SMS, emails, notes and all of the other information data will allow me to settle for an 8GB to 16GB phone.
It's a shame to have to separate anything from a smartphone, which is meant to be a convergence device, but I won't cater to a fee-based system, no matter how hard MS or Apple tries to funnel people to it with ever smaller internal memory. If MS is determined to reduce the internal memory of future phones to the point that even data such as pictures and apps are in danger, I will just go to an alternate source for tech and help let this debacle backfire on them.

Samsung launches Omnia M

Samsung has launched Omnia M ( GT-I8350 ), a Windows Phone smartphone ideal for social and entertainment multi-taskers. Company says “Play and Share with Samsung Omnia M“......
http://mirolta.com/2012/05/11/samsung-launches-omnia-m-a-windows-phone-smartphone/

Looks nice, Good sized screen, but just 4GB storage,I know Skydrive is the in thing but I would hate having to stream all my music, Photos aint so bad, That doesn't really leave alot of room even for apps, Even if the whole 4GB is usable? If anything surely storage sizes should increase?

Looks like nice, though not revolutionary, hardware. The 4GB storage is a pathetic joke, though, unless it's easily expandable. I mean, 8GB was bad back when the Focus launched 1.5 years ago, and we're an iteration of Moore's Law from that point. Storage should have doubled, not halved... Also, the choice to stick with the 1GHz CPU seems odd; the gen1 Windows phones perform great (still) but I'd have expected a faster chip just as a matter of progress.
The inclusion of HSDPA (rather than something like LTE) makes me wonder if it'll be the first Samsung Windows Phone to come to T-Mobile in the US. I'm a bit surprised by the choice of data tech, though, to be honest; is Europe still predominantly on 3G techs like HSDPA? The US hasn't entirely decided what "4G" means yet, but "faster than 7.2Mbps" is definitely a part of it and all the major carriers offer such a technology.
My guess? This is a low-end budget phone, intended to bring people to WP7 for cheap. With 384MB of RAM, it'll run Tango fine, but that's still less than most gen1 phones. That's fine by me if it helps increase the platform's user-base, though!

Might be a decent pre-pay phone but you would be much better off getting a first gen focus unless you HAVE TO HAVE a FFC.

Two Windows Phone by Samsung in one week ! What happenned to them ?
They sayd that, WP7.5 is a mess for them and they will focus on WP8 but this 2 devices are clearly here

Not many people wil buy that phone.
I hope the WP8 Phones from Samsung will look better like a mix of Galaxy S2 and S3

Omnia M looks and feels quite good in hand actually (I was lucky enough to get it in my hands today). It is nowhere near the feel of Omnia 7 - it is not metal after all. But it felt quite solid, more than Galaxy S .
It was sporting 4GB storage only though, which is serious bummer. But it felt snappy just as some regular nonTango-specced device.
Depending on the price it could be really good buy. But the 4GB :/....

Look good but memory?

Looks good? Looks great!