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Hi guys
I recently got hold of a Samsung i9000 Galaxy S, and i have to say im rather dissapointed.
The lag issue, which none of the lag fixes really actually stop, is so annoying, GPS not working as im one of the unfortunate people who have this issue is another annoyance
The screen is fantastic however, and the music player is aweseome with its equilizer.
However i use my phone for numerous things, media is one thing, GPS also as i dont see the need to buy a seperate sat nav when my phone "should have it",
Now i am going to wait until the official Froyo release from samsung before making any decision.
Right stop my moaning and here are my questions
i have been offered in exchange a sim Free Desire, plus a 16gb Class 6 sdcard, all boxed.
The one thing that worries me about going down the Desire route is how long is this handset gonna last.
Looking at benchmarks the i9000 creams the desire (with lag fix) in pretty much everything, i know this is down to the pretty poor Adreno 200 GPU on snapdragon as linpack shows the snapdragon FPU is better, Quadrant over 2200 currently on my SGS
in gaming terms for the future how long is this gonna last? can i expect games that are released in 6 months from now to run flawlessly? i know its hard for people to see into the future! but NEed for speed seems to run pretty much identically to my SGS, so im wondering if its all down to optimization on both chipsets
also gingerbread? a definate yes? or have HTC still not announced if Desire will be getting it
Samsung wont give any answers on this whatsoever
Also what would you guys do?
The samsung guys say "stay with it" but i want opinions from both camps
Cheers
You are on the same point I was a few weeks ago, well I wasn't offered in exchange by someone but the store owner offered to change it for me. Honestly, I'd say go for it. Samsung's software is crap, Desire has a lot better development community. Not to mention you get HTC Sense. Now one warning, Desire doesn't got true multi-touch, it got pinch support but thats about as far as the multi-touch goes. I tired playing Real Football 2010 with a Desire and it was a crap experience. People have reported Quadrant benchmarks of almost 1800 via OCed kernel and custom ROMs, if you really want to get down to that point but honestly it doesn't make a difference.
And HTC still hasn't announced if Desire is getting Gingerbread but there is a good chance the ROM community will be able to get it running. Plus Samsung still hasn't released Froyo, so I don't see a bright future of Gingerbread coming from them.
Now, GPS on Desire is damn good. It works as good as my 2 year old satnav if not better(It usually gets the fix better, I gave my satnav away ).
Honestly the handset has a good life-time to last, HTC Hero is still doing pretty good so Desire should do good as well was another year or more. Even if HTC may drop the support we have people here giving new life to the device.
My opinion: go for it! Desire is a great phone / smartphone.
The more I use it, the better it is.
Make sure you do a hard reset when you get it...
im seriously 50/50 on this, and now my time frame has been shortened, my mate wants to know by tomorrow otherwise he is ebaying it (mates eh!?)
Benchmarks are not the be all and end all, its bragging rights i suppose.
one thing that is seriously tipping me back to HTC is the support and community development, Samsungs own support is utterly awful, Kies is the worst piece of software i have ever ever used, and no OTA?! what the hell is that about.
As for HTC back in the day when i had my hero, ok there was delays but at least they kept people in the loop, one of my biggest annoyences is not being advised anything from samsung other than "we are working on it"
i dont hold out anyfaith that the filesystem will be sorted out with froyo, i mean it says alot when the XDA guys can fix it, but Samsung dont seem to even ackowledge the fact the software is naff!
i thought the desire had true multi touch? Does this mean playing psx4droid is a poor experiance?
No, it doesn't got true multi-touch. If the x1 intersects with y2 or x2 with y1 it goes haywire. It doesn't have gorilla glass either. But the community of HTC Desire is far better than Galaxy S from my experience, we don't have to use Kies or similar crap either(It was a PITA to get Kies to even recognize my phone, took me well over 4 hours and a lot of headaches), we got OTA! .
Dragooon123 said:
No, it doesn't got true multi-touch. If the x1 intersects with y2 or x2 with y1 it goes haywire. It doesn't have gorilla glass either. But the community of HTC Desire is far better than Galaxy S from my experience, we don't have to use Kies or similar crap either(It was a PITA to get Kies to even recognize my phone, took me well over 4 hours and a lot of headaches), we got OTA! .
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Glad you share my view on Kies, i honestly have never had such issues flashing a firmware, at least with Odin it did what it says on the tin
ok well im pushing more towards the desire, i just HOPE that its as much as an enjoyable process playing PSX games on psx4droid as it is on the Galaxy S, i do alot of travelling and i spend most of that time on trains playing FF7
If you want to do gaming stick with the galaxy s the desire isn't very good for that. Maybe 2.2 for the galaxy s will resolve your issues. I love the desire its a great phone but its horrible for gaming.
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it all depends how much more powerfull the new version of adreno is, obviously developers are still going to develop games for the arm cpu and adreno inparticular, imo i think our gpu will be able to play the games developed for newer versions of adreno but maybe not flawlessly .............. as far as gingerbread goes, the desire will never get it officially as htc are more intrested in supporting what will be then there current generation of devices, but as the desire and n1 are almost identical, and the n1 being googles official developer device, they are sure to get gingerbread, so we maybe we will be the first device to get working custom roms
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it all depends how much more powerfull the new version of adreno is, obviously developers are still going to develop games for the arm cpu and adreno inparticular, imo i think our gpu will be able to play the games developed for newer versions of adreno but maybe not flawlessly .............. as far as gingerbread goes, the desire will never get it officially as htc are more intrested in supporting what will be then there current generation of devices, but as the desire and n1 are almost identical, and the n1 being googles official developer device, they are sure to get gingerbread, so we maybe we will be the first device to get working custom roms
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I never thought of it like that actually regarding future android updates, basically the N1 is the same hardware as the desire, just lacking a little bit of Ram i believe, so shouldnt be too difficult to port over a rom
you sir have just tipped the scales again!
If you care about gaming stick with SGS..devs are even stopping games for desire ( see n.o.v.a) due to the multitouch bug and the the GPU isn't even remotely close to sgs's..Desire's 720p is a big pile of disappointment as well,no matter what rom you try..
other than that it is a fantastic phone...also unique feel as you hold it in your palm..its ergonomy is amazing, even ip4 doesn't sit as well in the hand as desire does..
Your right about the iPhone 4 it is a pain to hold now lol (not about the signal "issue") the edges are Sharp.
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I have a Desire & my friend has a Galaxy S.
I would say the Samsung has a better screen. However:
The Desire is a better over all device, software wise and build quality wise. Oh and it has more ram.
However, if gaming is a serious thing for you, I suggest you stay with the Samsung because they really do have the most powerful mobile GPU.
mr.r9 said:
I have a Desire & my friend has a Galaxy S.
I would say the Samsung has a better screen. However:
The Desire is a better over all device, software wise and build quality wise. Oh and it has more ram.
However, if gaming is a serious thing for you, I suggest you stay with the Samsung because they really do have the most powerful mobile GPU.
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In respects to gaming its not gaming as such, i mean angry birds beta from the market, any gpu should play that, im more bothered about PSX emulation at this point, my sgs is superb with psx4droid, where as the videos i have seen on youtube dont say the same story with desire, however these are based on the early versions of the app,
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In respects to gaming its not gaming as such, i mean angry birds beta from the market, any gpu should play that, im more bothered about PSX emulation at this point, my sgs is superb with psx4droid, where as the videos i have seen on youtube dont say the same story with desire, however these are based on the early versions of the app,
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Don't worry about that...psx4droid does not yet support hardware acceleration so all graphics are rendered from the CPU , not the GPU...so they should play it equaly well..well runs fine on my desire..and also i had an hd2 before and used fpsece which supported(and still does) hw acceleration..and run great on hd2 (has snapdragon chip, same as htc desire)..could get 40+fps on tekken 3...which is brillian (does not even run in psx4droid)..
chris2busy said:
Don't worry about that...psx4droid does not yet support hardware acceleration so all graphics are rendered from the CPU , not the GPU...so they should play it equaly well..well runs fine on my desire..and also i had an hd2 before and used fpsece which supported(and still does) hw acceleration..and run great on hd2 (has snapdragon chip, same as htc desire)..could get 40+fps on tekken 3...which is brillian (does not even run in psx4droid)..
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Also had a hd2 and it was excellent, just a pitty about winmo 6.5, do you know if there are any plans for GPU acceleration to be implemented for android?
ascottuk said:
Also had a hd2 and it was excellent, just a pitty about winmo 6.5, do you know if there are any plans for GPU acceleration to be implemented for android?
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i think we have crappy drivers for our gpu too, the acer liquid has the same gpu but with a cpu that runs at a lower clockspeed, but apparently the 3d rendering on that device surpasses our device
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i think we have crappy drivers for our gpu too, the acer liquid has the same gpu but with a cpu that runs at a lower clockspeed, but apparently the 3d rendering on that device surpasses our device
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no they do not have a standard snapdragon..
ascottuk said:
Also had a hd2 and it was excellent, just a pitty about winmo 6.5, do you know if there are any plans for GPU acceleration to be implemented for android?
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Truly no idea..the guy is taking it deadly slow..Kiss Yorkshire goodnight from me had a trip 3 years ago and it was the sweetest town ever..
ascottuk said:
Hi guys
I recently got hold of a Samsung i9000 Galaxy S, and i have to say im rather dissapointed.
The lag issue, which none of the lag fixes really actually stop, is so annoying, GPS not working as im one of the unfortunate people who have this issue is another annoyance
The screen is fantastic however, and the music player is aweseome with its equilizer.
However i use my phone for numerous things, media is one thing, GPS also as i dont see the need to buy a seperate sat nav when my phone "should have it",
Now i am going to wait until the official Froyo release from samsung before making any decision.
Right stop my moaning and here are my questions
i have been offered in exchange a sim Free Desire, plus a 16gb Class 6 sdcard, all boxed.
The one thing that worries me about going down the Desire route is how long is this handset gonna last.
Looking at benchmarks the i9000 creams the desire (with lag fix) in pretty much everything, i know this is down to the pretty poor Adreno 200 GPU on snapdragon as linpack shows the snapdragon FPU is better, Quadrant over 2200 currently on my SGS
in gaming terms for the future how long is this gonna last? can i expect games that are released in 6 months from now to run flawlessly? i know its hard for people to see into the future! but NEed for speed seems to run pretty much identically to my SGS, so im wondering if its all down to optimization on both chipsets
also gingerbread? a definate yes? or have HTC still not announced if Desire will be getting it
Samsung wont give any answers on this whatsoever
Also what would you guys do?
The samsung guys say "stay with it" but i want opinions from both camps
Cheers
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id say go for the desire, just won t3 awards phone of the year
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no they do not have a standard snapdragon..
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thats my point!! they have the same gpu running with a 768mhz cpu, and there gpu can do 3D better than ours, read this thread started about overclocking our gpu.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8553534#post8553534
I'm on T-Mobile USA and these two devices are both coming out next month. I've had (and loved) Android since the HTC Magic came out last year. I love the MyTouch for it's FFC and the newest gen procs. However, I'm pretty drawn to the HD7 for it's new OS and large SLCD, however disappointed in lack of FFC (regardless of how little I would realistically use it), and it's first gen procs. It's got the same "guts" as my N1, but it's runs so well from the demos I've seen this week.
Anyone else out there with the same dilemma? Which is better?
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sort of, it has the adreno 205 gpu on it.
predator290 said:
sort of, it has the adreno 205 gpu on it.
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I know the myTouch has it. Are you referring to the HD7? Because if you are and it's true, I think I found my next phone
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hmarcus said:
I'm on T-Mobile USA and these two devices are both coming out next month. I've had (and loved) Android since the HTC Magic came out last year. I love the MyTouch for it's FFC and the newest gen procs. However, I'm pretty drawn to the HD7 for it's new OS and large SLCD, however disappointed in lack of FFC (regardless of how little I would realistically use it), and it's first gen procs. It's got the same "guts" as my N1, but it's runs so well from the demos I've seen this week.
Anyone else out there with the same dilemma? Which is better?
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I am in the same boat as you. I have a nexus one and have loved it, but I am really liking WP7 so far. I believe that with such high minimum specs, the OS will see some nice apps and games in the near future.
I am about 90% sure that I am going to switch, I just have to decide between the HD7 and the Dell pro slide phone.
according to a couple sources the hd7 uses the msm8250 which has the adreno 205 gpu on it. same one as the g2.
diablos991 said:
I am in the same boat as you. I have a nexus one and have loved it, but I am really liking WP7 so far. I believe that with such high minimum specs, the OS will see some nice apps and games in the near future.
I am about 90% sure that I am going to switch, I just have to decide between the HD7 and the Dell pro slide phone.
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Ya the XBL game demos were nice. This and the Zune integration is what draws me to the platform. Since I have an N1 now I haven't been too concerned about updates, however MS will be starting on top of all that is great.
As far as the Dell; I love everything about it especially the gorilla glass, it's just that KB doesn't look like it's worth the added weight and thickness to the phone. However I saw a sign of a FFC on the Dell unbranded VP so that could be interesting.
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There are alot of information flying about.
Someone contacted HTC asking what processor, and was told the MSM processor, though, Microsofts webpage states QSD8250.
Someone else contacted HTC about the screen, and was told it had a standard TFT screen (Slashgear also states this).
At the end of the day, whether or not the myTouch will have a superior CPU doesn't matter by the fact that it runs android, games are written to be compatible with low end android sets, meaning if the myTouch had a tegra, games would still look crap.
The Galaxy S is a good example. It's GPU pushes about 80million triangles per sec, compare this with iPhone4's 28million.... now show me ANY game on Android that looks better than that on iOS? And the thing is I highly doubt there are much, if any, games on iOS that use half of its power. (Epic citadel and an upcoming iOS game called Aralon shows off what the 3GS/iPhone4/iPad can do. Not sure how much triangles/poylgons its pushing tho).
The Adreno200 pushes about 22million, which isn't a big difference compared with the iPhone, so games would be comparable.
There is a rumour that Android 3.0 will bring in minimum hardware requirements to reduce fragmentation, we'll see.
Cruzer1 said:
There are alot of information flying about.
Someone contacted HTC asking what processor, and was told the MSM processor, though, Microsofts webpage states QSD8250.
Someone else contacted HTC about the screen, and was told it had a standard TFT screen (Slashgear also states this).
At the end of the day, whether or not the myTouch will have a superior CPU doesn't matter by the fact that it runs android, games are written to be compatible with low end android sets, meaning if the myTouch had a tegra, games would still look crap.
The Galaxy S is a good example. It's GPU pushes about 80million triangles per sec, compare this with iPhone4's 28million.... now show me ANY game on Android that looks better than that on iOS? And the thing is I highly doubt there are much, if any, games on iOS that use half of its power. (Epic citadel and an upcoming iOS game called Aralon shows off what the 3GS/iPhone4/iPad can do. Not sure how much triangles/poylgons its pushing tho).
The Adreno200 pushes about 22million, which isn't a big difference compared with the iPhone, so games would be comparable.
There is a rumour that Android 3.0 will bring in minimum hardware requirements to reduce fragmentation, we'll see.
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Very true, while I like to think of myself as an HTC/Android fanboy, however I always have to lend Android its faults. Gaming and media are huge and Android more or less fails in these areas. Games are horrid, though Angry Birds is always fun. Games just don't look finished or just look like the crappy 2005 Java versions on like a Moto RAZR. In fact, looking at my apps on my N1, almost all of them are apps just to make my phone run smoother or look better ie setCPU, LCD density changer, ASTRO, Ti Backup etc. That's not to say I don't like games, it's just that there's not too great of a collection when you compare to iOS or the upcoming games for WP7.
And if the HD7 has the G2's proc and an SLCD screen like the Desire HD, it will be even more amazing in my eyes. All I'd want is HSPA+, however, that part is MS's fault.
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Ya the XBL game demos were nice. This and the Zune integration is what draws me to the platform. Since I have an N1 now I haven't been too concerned about updates, however MS will be starting on top of all that is great.
As far as the Dell; I love everything about it especially the gorilla glass, it's just that KB doesn't look like it's worth the added weight and thickness to the phone. However I saw a sign of a FFC on the Dell unbranded VP so that could be interesting.
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The only concerns I have with the dell is the keyboard quality and thickness. I would have to hold the unit and play around with it first. I really hope that the Hd7 has the updated processor, but I really doubt it will.
All will be revealed soon though.
Same issue with me, I have loved Android for a while now, however WP7 looks so attractive, HSPA+ is not an issue because:
1. My area doesn't have HSPA+
2. T-Mobile states that all devices running standard 3g will also notice a significant improvement to their speeds as well, which is great as well
Really I made up my mind on the HD7, I saw the apps on the zune market and a lot of em weren't that great, however I know I have to wait... I see though that the WP7 marketplace has increased in apps, so I think I might just get the HD7, or try both devices.
I would go with the HD7. Try something new and the games are WP7 are fantastic.
It definitely has its shortcomings, but the most important ones are coming.
The question is pretty simple: What you guys think about the latest Google dessert?
Here is part of the Dream in Tech team's opinion: http://www.dreamintech.net/2011/10/opinion-corner-android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich/
The blog is still in the beginning, but we are working hard to make it great.
Well, to put it simply.
ICS > iOS5 and Galaxy Nexus > iPhone 4s
At least the Android flagship device actually has new features... *whip_sound.mp3*
Gavisann said:
Well, to put it simply.
ICS > iOS5 and Galaxy Nexus > iPhone 4s
At least the Android flagship device actually has new features... *whip_sound.mp3*
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^ Says the only guy on the staff that has not started to write his opinion in the post
I'm very impressed by the device.
But analizing that I don't think I'd be so keen to buy it if it wasn't for ICS, In much the same way that iOS5 makes the iPhone4S.
That said, I'm loving the curve of the device, I always found the one on the Nexus S to be too deep, but the Galaxy Nexus seems to look perfect with it.
I know it's not Sammy's way, but some aluminium would have been nice, I guess thats just a personal preference. Lets wait and see how good this Hyper-skin is
Lack of a beatiful UI and clean uniform patterns has always been a gripe of mine in Android and I'm very excited to see everything coming together for the first time.
the inline spellchecker, keyboard, new notifications, swipebetweens are what I liked from 4.0, but the phone itself is meh =\ No SD card slot, 5Mpx, expensive carrier, meh chipset, and no hardware navigation buttons are enough to turn me off. I can't believe how good the phone is despite the fact that that it falls short in key areas =[
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no hardware navigation buttons are enough to turn me off.
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Why is this?
I'm liking how they're virtual.
Slightly disappointing that they're there at all, have you used a Blackberry play book or MacOS Lion, the gestures on both of these are fantastic and I'd hope that android would more to something similar in the future
From what I've seen, the package certainly looks very impressive. The screen looks amazing...super AMOLED is already awesome but now in HD! Wow.
The dual core 1.2 ghz CPU is standard...the fact that its a Texas Instruments rather than Exynos is not a biggie for me. They are both comparable...its all about software optimizations in the end.
5MP camera is good enough...more megapixels does not necessarily mean much after 5. Ram is standard 1 gigabyte which is very good.
Now onto ICS. Very impressed from what I've seen again. It looks a lot like honeycomb for tablets which is good. It looks quite smooth and fast.
I've read somewhere that GPU acceleration has been confirmed to have been implemented but I'm not sure. I've not read any official confirmation of that. Perhaps someone can clear it up for me here. If it has then great. It was my number one priority for ICS.
Overall, there seems to be a lot of new features in ICS but only hands on time will tell. It certainly looks great. Smooth and very Fast!
The hardware of the galaxy nexus is awesome i think. 32 gigabyte storage is also important. I do wish however that they had included an SD card slot. But I'm sure 32 should be enough for most.
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I would love ICS.
I do not want the GN.
GalaxyNexus is a meh! spec compared to S2.
SG3 will be announced 2012 January.
Rumor says it will have quad core.
If so, then I think I'll bypass GalaxyNexus and wait for S3.
zeitgeb3r said:
GalaxyNexus is a meh! spec compared to S2.
SG3 will be announced 2012 January.
Rumor says it will have quad core.
If so, then I think I'll bypass GalaxyNexus and wait for S3.
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Honestly i dont understand the craziness about quad cores. Aside from 1gig of ram and standard 1ghz dual chip i could care less about quad cores in phones.
I'm not having a go...i mean really, what would one do with a quad core phone that one couldn't do with a dual core. Software optimization is the key now i think.
Aside from high Res graphics for certain games i do not see the fascination with quad cores and dual gpus etc.
There comes a point where the specs cannot really add much more to the overall experience anymore. I think we are getting to that point now. The software is gonna be the most important aspect from now on i think. We finally have incredible powerful hardware, but there are still lags and slowdowns etc.
These wont change with quad cores or double tripple quad dual cores or whatever. What is needed is software optimizations. Optimizations that fully take advantage of the available hardware. Only this will fix our lags and slowdowns and enhance our usage of mobile computing.
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Honestly i dont understand the craziness about quad cores. Aside from 1gig of ram and standard 1ghz dual chip i could care less about quad cores in phones.
I'm not having a go...i mean really, what would one do with a quad core phone that one couldn't do with a dual core. Software optimization is the key now i think.
Aside from high Res graphics for certain games i do not see the fascination with quad cores and dual gpus etc.
There comes a point where the specs cannot really add much more to the overall experience anymore. I think we are getting to that point now. The software is gonna be the most important aspect from now on i think. We finally have incredible powerful hardware, but there are still lags and slowdowns etc.
These wont change with quad cores or double tripple quad dual cores or whatever. What is needed is software optimizations. Optimizations that fully take advantage of the available hardware. Only this will fix our lags and slowdowns and enhance our usage of mobile computing.
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Software optimizations, and for battery technology to finally catch up with transistors...
i'm not a gamer, the specs are secondary to the handset itself for me. i'm still gaga over my nexus s and it's "pedestrian specs".
eric b
I will have to hold and play with the the device to get a feel for the size. Coming from a Nexus One the Galaxy Nexus seems huge. Right now this is my main worry.
I don't care about Mega-pixels. The performance of the camera, lens, and image processing software is far more important. I want clear pictures, good indoor/low light, minimal shutter lag on start-up and between shots, and a flash that actually works well with the camera (i.e. intelligently controls output based on the shot details). It's hard to grade the device yet on these items.
If Google finally put deep rooted GPU acceleration into the OS and made it so that developers don't have to jump through hoops to use it then that will be an awesome change. The iPhones have often had lower spec hardware but buttery smooth performance due to software optimization and solid use of the GPU. I really hope this is real for Android.
I've posted elsewhere but I think lack of an SD card is a conscious choice because I don't think Google has worked out the kinks with SD cards post-Gingerbread. SD card support still isn't that great in HoneyComb. This could be a win for the user experience and since I can live with 32GB I'm not marking it down for this item.
I liked the improvements in Ice Cream Sandwich, especially the attempts at making the interface more consistent. Having home screens navigate left-right but having the app drawer navigate up-down never made sense. These screens look too similar to work differently. Putting widgets in a tab in the app drawer and making their addition to home screens consistent with apps also makes sense.
No hardware buttons is nice. I have a Honeycomb tablet and having the buttons move with the screen when going from portrait to landscape is nice and again adds consistency to the user experience. Once you get used to it having buttons fixed in portrait orientation like on current phones seems awkward. Also having the buttons change with the context of the application is a nice feature.
Anyone hear of any improvements in VPN support, specifically Cisco AnyConnect. So far it has only been available for certain phones due to tunnel driver issues. It would be a nice addition to the Galaxy Nexus since the HD display would make Citrix Receiver or other business apps easier to use on a phone.
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Honestly i dont understand the craziness about quad cores. Aside from 1gig of ram and standard 1ghz dual chip i could care less about quad cores in phones.
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Aside from high Res graphics for certain games i do not see the fascination with quad cores and dual gpus etc.
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"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, IBM, 1943.
"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." - Ken Olson, DEC, 1977.
"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981
FYI. ICS does have hardware acceleration added. See android.com for ICS features.
OpenGL ES texture views
A new TextureView object lets developers directly integrate OpenGL ES textures as rendering targets in a UI hierarchy. The object lets developers display and manipulate OpenGL ES rendering just as they would a normal view object in the hierarchy, including moving, transforming, and animating the view as needed. The TextureView object makes it easy for developers to embed camera preview, decoded video, OpenGL game scenes, and more. TextureView can be viewed as a more powerful version of the existing SurfaceView object, since it offers the same benefits of access to a GL rendering surface, with the added advantage of having that surface participate fully in the normal view hierarchy.
Hardware-accelerated 2D drawing
All Android-powered devices running Android 4.0 are required to support hardware-accelerated 2D drawing. Developers can take advantage of this to add great UI effects while maintaining optimal performance on high-resolution screens, even on phones. For example, developers can rely on accelerated scaling, rotation, and other 2D operations, as well as accelerated UI components such as TextureView and compositing modes such as filtering, blending, and opacity.
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In terms of performance... a OMAP Dual-Core 1.2 GHz should a ****ing BEAST. So... quite enough. I was hoping for 1.5 GHz, though.
In terms of design... I need to look at the model later when it gets released... the color and the dock dots seem a bit off.
The buttons... I hope that CM or other teams are able to make ICS render other buttons (like a 4th search button, or at least change the icons, they look too honeycomb-ish).
ICS looks great. That message response to call thingie sounds like a great feature.
NFC sounds like a neat feature too because you won't have to go around menus to send someone something... as long as they have a NFC device too. With ICS. The new wallpapers look great too, I guess. Not to speak about Hardware Acceleration!!!
Overall, I still gotta wait. I'm also going to wait for the usual price cuts that happen after 4~5 months of release to get it, if I am going to get it. Or I might wait for the next Nexus... hopefully Motorola isn't going to **** it up.
I was no timpressed with the screen on the TMo SGS2 to start with so I just pre ordered the Prime...
As far as number of cores go, I woulkd rather see mor edevelopment in battery technology.
Let's face it, battery life sucks in anything I can think about.
Finaly the guys at gameloft released the Asphalt 7,i've allready bought it (1 Dollar),but i don't know why the tilting doesn't work,i mean,i tilt my phone but the car doesn't steer,the only way i can play is with the buttons on the touchscreen.Any ideea?Anybody had this problem?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gameloft.android.ANMP.GloftA7HM
Please don't talk about warez on XDA!
which part is warez? stop getting trigger happy, op asked a legitimate question. op does the tilt work in other games? if yes might be an early bug. I read reviews and they not good tho.
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Yeah accelerometer control is terrible. Graphics is good though.
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And,can you tell me what part of this is considered warez?This is a Google Play Store link that i've provided and specificaly sayd that i've bought the game,read before you write.
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which part is warez? stop getting trigger happy, op asked a legitimate question. op does the tilt work in other games? if yes might be an early bug. I read reviews and they not good tho.
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Yeah,the tilting works on other games,i think it's a bug,hoping that the guys at gameloft will repair this,maybe get out a patch soon.In the meanwhille,i've allready finished 6 championships and the game is great,the graphics are good,the thing that bugs me about the game are the "post score" or different commercials that are always shown,but overall it's a great game .
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Thanks mates..
Downloading.. 1.3 gB. It must be a good game.
P.s. Can I play it with a bt keyboard?
Don't know honestly,but i don't see why it would't work.
1.3gb data??damn could it better to have external sd support for this phone
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I agree, thats a bit out of order jumping in like that. And a Mod!
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1.3gb data??damn could it better to have external sd support for this phone
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Yeah,if you download 10 games like this one you can kiss bye bye you'r whole storage,didn't understand why HTC didn't offer a microSD support except the internal support.
Reached championship 8
jeyml said:
Yeah,if you download 10 games like this one you can kiss bye bye you'r whole storage,didn't understand why HTC didn't offer a microSD support except the internal support.
Reached championship 8
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The framerate makes it unplayable for me at stock, it's just too much of a distraction.
I'm waiting on a gameloft update. (sigh)
However, with faux and game booster app it plays pretty good with a decent framerate , but still annoys me that it's still not the framerate it should be & not what iOS users get.
Stock users - I'd say not to bother yet, as the framerate is choppy hell.
Aagghhh
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For me tilting works in driving. But I don't like the way, difficult to play.
Actually the game looks far better on my new ipad (graphics)
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The framerate makes it unplayable for me at stock, it's just too much of a distraction.
I'm waiting on a gameloft update. (sigh)
However, with faux and game booster app it plays pretty good with a decent framerate , but still annoys me that it's still not the framerate it should be & not what iOS users get.
Stock users - I'd say not to bother yet, as the framerate is choppy hell.
Aagghhh
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I am running stock 1.29 and i don't have any problem like that,try to close some apps from task manager,i always do before i start the game.
Yeah,i don't know why but on my Ipad 3 (or new ipad,however you want to call it) seems a little bit more better the graphics,or maybe it's just me.
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I notice he's not apologised either.
The word you're looking for mate, is 'sorry'.
Such a lack of basic manners in the youth of today. I blame computer games
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I notice he's not apologised either.
The word you're looking for mate, is 'sorry'.
Such a lack of basic manners in the youth of today. I blame computer games
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At least he sayd "Please" )
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I am running stock 1.29 and i don't have any problem like that,try to close some apps from task manager,i always do before i start the game.
Yeah,i don't know why but on my Ipad 3 (or new ipad,however you want to call it) seems a little bit more better the graphics,or maybe it's just me.
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Sorry, (in the nicest way possible) .... you must be blind if you think the framerate is ok .
Go have a look at the trailer on the play store, that's how it's supposed to run.
Everyone I've spoken to has mentioned the very poor framerate, even android police the other day mentioned it to be 'definitely choppy' in the pre-review.
It's not Tegra 3 compatible, not really.
It runs at terrible framerates on both my Nexus 7 & HOX.
It may work, but we have to wait on Gameloft for the fix.
This game doesn't even run completely smooth at all on base 2.05, faux kernel and game booster app - stock 1.29 has no chance.
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Unless your using a U.S snapdragon S4 version, not sure how it runs on that HOX.
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Sorry, (in the nicest way possible) .... you must be blind if you think the framerate is ok .
Go have a look at the trailer on the play store, that's how it's supposed to run.
Everyone I've spoken to has mentioned the very poor framerate, even android police the other day mentioned it to be 'definitely choppy' in the pre-review.
It's not Tegra 3 compatible, not really.
It runs at terrible framerates on both my Nexus 7 & HOX.
It may work, but we have to wait on Gameloft for the fix.
This game doesn't even run completely smooth at all on base 2.05, faux kernel and game booster app - stock 1.29 has no chance.
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Unless your using a U.S snapdragon S4 version, not sure how it runs on that HOX.
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Probably man,i don't realy know what to say,i will compare it tomorow with my Ipad to see how it runs,but for me it's ok,i mean,i've noticed that all consumers lately want everything to be perfect,not realising that we are running on our phones games that are larger than NFS:Underground or NFS:Underground 2 which we played a few years back on the PC or PS and we were totaly satisfied about them,even if they weren't perfect.Probably that it isn't optimized for the Tegra 3,lately Gameloft didn't perfect theyr games and haven't worked as much as they did in the past on the games.But,in theyr defence,we did pay 1$ for it,i mean,lets be serious,we can't expect great things for a buck man.
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Probably man,i don't realy know what to say,i will compare it tomorow with my Ipad to see how it runs,but for me it's ok,i mean,i've noticed that all consumers lately want everything to be perfect,not realising that we are running on our phones games that are larger than NFS:Underground or NFS:Underground 2 which we played a few years back on the PC or PS and we were totaly satisfied about them,even if they weren't perfect.Probably that it isn't optimized for the Tegra 3,lately Gameloft didn't perfect theyr games and haven't worked as much as they did in the past on the games.But,in theyr defence,we did pay 1$ for it,i mean,lets be serious,we can't expect great things for a buck man.
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Lol, that may be true for NFS, but the size of gameloft games are wayyyyy too big in size.
To think Torchlight is under 600mb for the PC, makes you wonder how a racing game for a phone could be 1.3gb. - ouch.
i don't think the price of an app is an excuse for poor coding - the game shouldn't have been released yet, not in its current state.
I've heard the SGS3 also has framerate issues with this game (just not and severe as most of GL games for Tegra3 devices) and that's operating on a year old GPU, so it shouldn't have optimisation issues - but even here, it does.
But, HOPEFULLY - they will release a fix soon, and not wait a month like they did for batman on Tegra 3.
Sadly, gameloft ain't like madfinger who will respond to you quickly and issue a fix quickly if it's their problem.
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Lol, that may be true for NFS, but the size of gameloft games are wayyyyy too big in size.
To think Torchlight is under 600mb for the PC, makes you wonder how a racing game for a phone could be 1.3gb. - ouch.
i don't think the price of an app is an excuse for poor coding - the game shouldn't have been released yet, not in its current state.
I've heard the SGS3 also has framerate issues with this game (just not and severe as most of GL games for Tegra3 devices) and that's operating on a year old GPU, so it shouldn't have optimisation issues - but even here, it does.
But, HOPEFULLY - they will release a fix soon, and not wait a month like they did for batman on Tegra 3.
Sadly, gameloft ain't like madfinger who will respond to you quickly and issue a fix quickly if it's their problem.
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Yeah,unfortunaly i've sent an email to them regarding the accelerometer problems,sayd they will investigate the problem,but so far,nothing...i am not an expert programmer,i understand some codes,but i mean,how hard can an accelerometer problem be to solve it?
Luckly that i've got used with the touchscreen "virtual buttons",otherwise i wouldn't played this game.
As for the size of them,i maybe saying something stupid....but...aren't the guys at gameloft using Unity to make the graphics like the guys who made Dead Trigger?I tried like 1 or 2 years ago Unity and the graphics made with that program always use to much space.
Reached championship 9 so far .
Yeah, I think android police agreed with most of us.
Hopefully, gameloft will take note with some bad publicity & make a quick fix.
It definitely seems to be affecting all android devices.
Gameloft should definitely come with a disclaimer warning that it is optimized for iOS only.
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Graphics And Performance
Even with the above foibles, Asphalt 7 could be a good game. The deal breaker for me is the overwhelming mediocrity of the graphics. Judging from the screenshots on the Play Store page, this should be a gorgeous game. Instead, it's just average. Even then, only on some devices. On the Nexus 7 the texture resolution is absolutely terrible. Everything in the environment looks muddy. The cars aren't bad, but there is noticeable aliasing along the edges.
I also looked at things on the Galaxy Nexus, and the textures were a little better. I was still not impressed with the overall fuzziness of the roads and buildings, though. The jaggies are not as prevalent here, possibly because the screen is smaller, and I can't see them as well. For whatever reason, performance is questionable on both devices. Both will get a spot of lag from time to time, and the Nexus 7 seems to have a lower frame rate The brightness also looks too high, making the game oddly washed-out. There are a few places that I could barely see where I was going because the gentle blue track markers blended in too well with the background. Turning my device's brightness down did nothing to fix this. I could also see distant objects drawing as I rocketed along. That should not happen on any modern device.
For 1.4GB of game data, I expected stunning graphics. I really feel like some of the smaller Need For Speed games look better than this. Asphalt 7 is not ugly, but it's just not pretty like the screenshots would lead you to believe.
Conclusion
On the surface, Asphalt 7 is a fine game. The controls are solid, and there are plenty of tracks and race types. I can even deal with the in-app purchases because they don't seem exploitative. This is essentially a $7 game that you can have for $0.99, so dropping a few dollars on better cars seems alright. The learning curve is steep, but not to a fault However, the requirement that you have internet access is beyond ridiculous. Things fall apart for me when it comes to visuals and performance. I'm just disappointed in how this game runs on the Nexus 7, and it's not terribly good on the Galaxy Nexus. Lag, low frame rates, and blurry graphics are not what I expect out of 1.4GB of game data. If this game was free, I'd definitely suggest you pick it up to try. As it stands, you could spend $0.99 if you like Asphalt racing games, but there's just nothing that special here.
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I'm thinking about getting a tab pro 8.4 WiFi only (320) and have a few questions.
1-just how laggy is touchwiz. This is my first samsung and have no experience with touchwiz. Does the general ui lag when switching between homescreen pages or moving through apps.
2- does resolution greatly affect the graphic performance. My existing phone (xperia P) can't handle heavy game's or websites. I need to know if the gpu is any good or not. Does it run dead trigger 2 on ultra high smoothly or asphalt 8 maxed out smoothly?
I need something to last me a few years.
3- is web browsing smooth?
4- is 2 gb ram sufficient? Are there too many redraws?
5- how bad are the WiFi signal drops. I live in a small apartment so this does not matter much.
6- any other flaws I should be worried about? Over heating etc.
7- is the contrast ratio acceptable? Blacks dark enough?
I couldn't find conclusive answers to these on the web and hopefully this will help future buyers. (including me )
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I'm thinking about getting a tab pro 8.4 WiFi only (320) and have a few questions.
1-just how laggy is touchwiz. This is my first samsung and have no experience with touchwiz. Does the general ui lag when switching between homescreen pages or moving through apps.
2- does resolution greatly affect the graphic performance. My existing phone (xperia P) can't handle heavy game's or websites. I need to know if the gpu is any good or not. Does it run dead trigger 2 on ultra high smoothly or asphalt 8 maxed out smoothly?
I need something to last me a few years.
3- is web browsing smooth?
4- is 2 gb ram sufficient? Are there too many redraws?
5- how bad are the WiFi signal drops. I live in a small apartment so this does not matter much.
6- any other flaws I should be worried about? Over heating etc.
7- is the contrast ratio acceptable? Blacks dark enough?
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Have had the 8.4 pro for a couple months now and I can attest to the fact that it is a nice tablet. Screen is fantastic and performance is smooth. Gets great wifi signal in my house which has concrete walls that make it difficult to get signal for most devices. Only real problem I have with it is the android experience overall on the tablet. Many apps display stretched versions of phone apps (twitter, mlb at bat, etc) and web browsing could be better.
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@bkerk25
Could you do me a flavour?
Download asphalt 8 and run it on the maximum graphical settings and tell me if it is smooth enough.
Ps. Use mentions @[Username]
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1-just how laggy is touchwiz. This is my first samsung and have no experience with touchwiz. Does the general ui lag when switching between homescreen pages or moving through apps.
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Its not the kind of thing where it locks up the device for a significant amount of time (seconds or even 1 second) but just a lack of general fluidity (split seconds of lag) within TouchWiz itself (not within 3rd party apps) when swiping through home screens,going back and forth to app drawer, etc. Really not the type of thing we should be seeing at this point with higher-end Android devices. So while disappointing, many folks are probably fine with it. Me on the other hand, got tired of it after a couple months, rooted and flashed a CM-based custom ROM, and much happier with the fluidity now.
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2- does resolution greatly affect the graphic performance. My existing phone (xperia P) can't handle heavy game's or websites. I need to know if the gpu is any good or not. Does it run dead trigger 2 on ultra high smoothly or asphalt 8 maxed out smoothly?
I need something to last me a few years.
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If you are asking such questions about gaming and RAM, I have trouble believing you will be satisfied with any device for a "few" years. Maybe 2 years tops. But really the best you can do is by the best tablet you can afford (and the Pro 8.4 is a great contender) and hope for the best in terms of it being "future proof".
I'm not much of a gamer, so I can't help you much here, unfortunately.
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3- is web browsing smooth?
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I would say yes.
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5- how bad are the WiFi signal drops. I live in a small apartment so this does not matter much.
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I have had no issue with WiFi. The Pro 8.4 has as good or slightly better WiFi reception as other Android devices I've used. I use my Pro 8.4 on my back porch, with my WiFi router being in the front of the house and on the 2nd floor.
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6- any other flaws I should be worried about? Over heating etc.
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I had a minor issue with the battery meter sometimes not displaying properly after a charge. It would still read something like 50 or 60% when I had been charging it for long enough to be full. After a reboot, it would read 100%. Happened fairly occasionally, maybe once a week or a couple times a week. Others have noted similar issues.
This seems to be software based, as I haven't encountered this on my current CM ROM. And possibly this has been fixed in newer stock software.
Nothing else I've noticed since owning the tablet since April.
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7- is the contrast ratio acceptable? Blacks dark enough?
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Subjective. I'm used to LCDs, so the blacks are dark enough to me, and the colors look realistically vivid. If you are coming from AMOLED, you might feel differently. An LCD will never going to meet the infinite contrast ratio of AMOLED.
@redpoint73
Thankyou.
I should have termed it better. I didn't mean lag but delay and lack of fluidness. You phrased it perfectly.
Like you said, other than the tegra k1 sheild I doubt that any device is "future proof". What I meant was that if it is capable of running modern games maxed out. Obviously better games with higher demands will come but for the moment this will probably be sufficient. What worries me is the resolution. It's far greater than 1080p and I was worried if the adreno could handle games as they grew more demanding.
The contrast on my xperia P is terrible ( whites are 900 nits. Figure the blacks.) and at the moment any display would look darker. As this is my first tablet I didn't have anything good to compare it to (other than an android 1.5 tablet ). So I hoped that someone with past experience could tell me better.
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I should have termed it better. I didn't mean lag but delay and lack of fluidness. You phrased it perfectly.
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"Lag" is as good a term of it as any. I just wanted to clarify to anyone that has not witnessed it firsthand, it just a lack of fluidity, and not like you are staring at screens loading for seconds on end, or anything like that.
@redpoint73
I pretty much expected that. One more question. How long does is take for the screen to turn on after pressing the power button?
My father owns a galaxy s3 and turning on the screen takes about 2 seconds. On my xperia P it's instant. I'm guessing it's something to do with touchwiz.
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Actually seemed pretty instantaneous on TouchWiz. I've been on CM for a few weeks now, so that's just by memory. Actually, its a bit slower on CM, but still not 2 seconds. Maybe 1 second.
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I'm thinking about getting a tab pro 8.4 WiFi only (320) and have a few questions.
1-just how laggy is touchwiz. This is my first samsung and have no experience with touchwiz. Does the general ui lag when switching between homescreen pages or moving through apps.
2- does resolution greatly affect the graphic performance. My existing phone (xperia P) can't handle heavy game's or websites. I need to know if the gpu is any good or not. Does it run dead trigger 2 on ultra high smoothly or asphalt 8 maxed out smoothly?
I need something to last me a few years.
3- is web browsing smooth?
4- is 2 gb ram sufficient? Are there too many redraws?
5- how bad are the WiFi signal drops. I live in a small apartment so this does not matter much.
6- any other flaws I should be worried about? Over heating etc.
7- is the contrast ratio acceptable? Blacks dark enough?
I couldn't find conclusive answers to these on the web and hopefully this will help future buyers. (including me )
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1) The first TW was soo laggy but it did two updates and seems okay now but I still plan to root/get CM11
3) Web browsing seems fine to me
4) Screen is fine - probably comparing to Super AMOLED like on the Tab S it may not be as good but it's as good as any other tablet out there if not better with the high screen res
@acasserole
How about gaming. Does it run asphalt 8 on ultra high smoothly?