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Devs, n00bs, seniors, everyone. Please calm down.
N00bs..read before you post. This is a big cause to recent drama. I read a thread today and the same question was asked and answered on like3 straight pages... this is not called for.
Devs please consider the level of readiness before posting a Rom. My fav developer makes his Rom as close to bug free by having about 10 guys test the Rom before he releases it. Doing this would cut back on n00b questions and stupid posts. I love all you work this is just an idea.
Everyone else please don't fight and make things worse. Help the n00bs with links to forum rules and such.
I make all these mistakes too. But we need to fix it. We are losing our community.
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I'll add to this a bit if you don't mind. Any noobs feel free to pm me whatever the question may be and I will try to help. There is no sense starting a new thread because 99%of the time the question has been answered and i honestly I like to help. I don't have time to develop so this is my attempt to give back to a community I got a lot out of. I may not have your answer but will most likely be able to send you in the right direction and knipp is extremely helpful and knowledgeable as well. I personally don't care but don't post a thread like help plz I bricked my phone in the dev section unless you have a pair of flame retardant pants. Look bottom line is I'm here to help if anyone needs it
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Also knipp what do you think about starting a kind of all in one place thread similar to what's stickied in the dev section only a little more recent and updated with an faq? I don't know how many times I posted the gingerbread ruu for people recently. If you don't have the time I can do it or certainly help at the very least. Just wanted to get your opinion on this matter
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knipp21 said:
Devs please consider the level of readiness before posting a Rom. My fav developer makes his Rom as close to bug free by having about 10 guys test the Rom before he releases it. Doing this would cut back on n00b questions and stupid posts. I love all you work this is just an idea.
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This. It's extremely refreshing when a dev spends good time creating a ROM for a phone. It's nice to be handed a ROM that has been tested and is essentially bug free. I praise the guys that do that, and the guys that stick to their work. Doing it for fun rather than for money.
Of course I'm not expecting a good ROM to fall into our laps, I do like to follow projects from start to finish just as long as the dev(s) are working solely on that project - Like Cyanogen.

I agree about posting ROMs that are fully tested.. but then only 10 or so get to enjoy the ROM until it's stable. It's nice having everyone give feedback because 100 testers is better than 10. But I 100% agree with you, we need to get this community back on track, and we as users can help indefinitely.
We need to remember, not too long ago we we n00bs. I didn't even know what an .apk was. Now I know how to edit and decompile .apks.
Let's help to make this a fun and sharing community again.

oxlong27 said:
Also knipp what do you think about starting a kind of all in one place thread similar to what's stickied in the dev section only a little more recent and updated with an faq? I don't know how many times I posted the gingerbread ruu for people recently. If you don't have the time I can do it or certainly help at the very least. Just wanted to get your opinion on this matter
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Great idea. I'm in a radar class all week so I can't do it but if anyone wants to that would be awesome. I hope our mod will sticky it.
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Ill start work on it tonight when the kids are in bed. If anyone has any useful links or anything in general you think should be there feel free to pm me
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oxlong27 said:
Ill start work on it tonight when the kids are in bed. If anyone has any useful links or anything in general you think should be there feel free to pm me
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Include the fact you can't use sense programs on aosp roms. And other stuff lol
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Haha ill put that in bold. Hlp plzzz flashed tiamat on skyraider and i can haz no wifi. Hahahahahahah
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Yes, you have to wipe.

Hey guys im not gonna get to starr the all in one thread tonight my son is crazy sick and cant sleep. Ill start tomorrow night, meanwhile shoot me some suggestions on what you think should be included
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ics developement mt4g (please close)

I feel like we can do a better job and keep the moderators happy while still making progress on pics for mt4g... but let's keep it together this time..
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let's reopen by moving back to general thread see how we do.. I think the desire s port had the most working I.e. GPS etc.. we should start with a port.. a work on one at a time.. wifi is the biggest need it seems for most
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So....what is the purpose of this thread?

to figure out how to get the ball rolling in an organized way again.. I pm'd mars who ported desire s to see if we can start there again.. I don't know if he can or will use this for his port.. or if we go back to the general thread... I just think to much progress was being made to shut down..
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I just think to much progress was being made to shut down..
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The mods obviously disagreed, so what makes you think starting another thread in the development section was a good idea?
The dev section is for posting actual software...ROMs, kernels, recoveries, etc. Not for discussions. That's what the General section is for.

well for starters...
WHY IS THIS IN THE DEVELOPMENT SECTION????
btw, ever think of WHY so many devs are leaving and giving up? maybe it's because people like you are spamming the dev section and the rom threads with random garbage.

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well for starters...
WHY IS THIS IN THE DEVELOPMENT SECTION????
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Yeah if there is no rom under development this should be moved to general. Le sigh.
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I actually thought one of the ports could start posting here... one.. but it is irrelevant.. I just heard from the mod.. a new thread is going to open from the original OP.. just cleaner..so disregard... and we wait
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i really really hate it how the ICS development ended... i just hope it will come back soon.
thanks everyone for all the your hard work

I do have an idea. IDK if you'd agree on this but heres my idea:
All developers from the Desire S, MT4G, Desire HD need to come together to work on ICS. Things would get done faster and we'd basically have the same builds but the developers would independently work on drivers and such alone unless they want to work on 3 devices completely.
I'm just saying this because then the work could get done much faster with developers pulling together. The only other option seems to create additional threads like some others have with different ports but make them completely separate. I do agree that many builds should not be posted within 1 thread. However, I do not agree we should only have 1 thread on ICS. I also agree that people shouldn't be asking the same questions over and over. We could possibly develop some kind of bug reporting policy. The devs could use our help and by us reporting the bugs and making logcats we can further help the developing along faster.

sipher26 said:
i really really hate it how the ICS development ended... i just hope it will come back soon.
thanks everyone for all the your hard work
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What happened was people couldn't wait one damn minute for a upload and couldn't read what was posted a page back. It was disrespectful. Try doing that on any other thread. It would've came if people just had patients. People have lives outside of xda. (Jobs) Hopefully next time it won't be like that. I'm gonna go on cm7 and post a port of cm9 because they are taking too damn long...get it?
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sckboy78 said:
What happened was people couldn't wait one damn minute for a upload and couldn't read what was posted a page back. It was disrespectful. Try doing that on any other thread. It would've came if people just had patients. People have lives outside of xda. (Jobs) Hopefully next time it won't be like that. I'm gonna go on cm7 and post a port of cm9 because they are taking too damn long...get it?
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Every freaking comment was about the stupid wifi issue, a person didn't need to read more than 3 posts up to know that was an issue. Some peoples kids I tell ya! Read at least the last few pages and get a.decent feel for how the rom is, and if you want a stable rom...then you probly shouldn't flash a BETA rom geesh
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like i said before...
devs are leaving the MT4G because so many people are just spamming the dev section and ROM threads with random useless crap.
JUST STOP IT GUYS!!

Jms122589 said:
Every freaking comment was about the stupid wifi issue, a person didn't need to read more than 3 posts up to know that was an issue. Some peoples kids I tell ya! Read at least the last few pages and get a.decent feel for how the rom is, and if you want a stable rom...then you probly shouldn't flash a BETA rom geesh
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I'm in agreement with everything u just said bro...and I just got a glimpse if what it feels like to be a real dev...wow...and all I did was share a port I made...ppl need to chill, show some appreciation and relax...most importantly, RELAX!
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saranhai said:
like i said before...
devs are leaving the MT4G because so many people are just spamming the dev section and ROM threads with random useless crap.
JUST STOP IT GUYS!!
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What are you doing by repeating the same ****?
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marseillesw said:
I'm in agreement with everything u just said bro...and I just got a glimpse if what it feels like to be a real dev...wow...and all I did was share a port I made...ppl need to chill, show some appreciation and relax...most importantly, RELAX!
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All I did was read the comments and wait till it was ready enough looks like the form is down unless.... does this mean no ics rom?
And can't they band a user from certain threads that the creator started to avoid spamming ?
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I'm contacting a mod,asap.
If I helped, give thanks, if you please.
........Death before dishonor........

why the thread was closed? why peoples are fighting here. Just sit relax and wait for the developers to work or otherwise port the rom yourself, well its a saying that a man is always unthankful

i hate people who whine and complain about ****....
Whiners should FIX the problem.. if they cant, they need to STFU...

close thread, no longer needed

mods please close

He posted something earlier that he was leaving xda and wouldn't say the reason. But that it's deeper than we think and it has nothing to do with the users. He said to follow him on google+ but I couldn't find his account on his xda page.
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Great WTF are we going to do now!
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XDA is deleting any questions about this too... Stay classy guys
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He attacked me personally when I was trying to complement someone other than him in his thread... He then went on to delete my subsequent replies because they made him look bad... I'll miss his ROMs but certainly not him!

Rapalax said:
He attacked me personally when I was trying to complement someone other than him in his thread... He then went on to delete my subsequent replies because they made him look bad... I'll miss his ROMs but certainly not him!
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may have jumped the gun posting this....believe i had a misunderstanding myself. the threads are back, likely just some cleaning up to do.
that being said, i've never seem tdj post anything that spoke poorly of his character. i've 3 kids & i'm sure i wouldn't have his patience & temperament dealing with what gets directed at him around here. and i'll agree with you on one thing...i would miss his roms if they were no longer available
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Why is wild child jb rom locked?

Just noticed its been locked for ever... The one with jb aroma... What's wrong with it?
I haven't seen any of his work lately, just curious...
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I'm not sure either but apparently, wld child kanged Wicked ROM.
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Noobiologist said:
I'm not sure either but apparently, wld child kanged Wicked ROM.
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So is he banned now or something?
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Crisisx1 said:
So is he banned now or something?
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Yeah, probably. That's what usually happens.
Powered by the SGSIII

he's still deving
See note 2 development
I think he still devs for us, too
Just not that Rom
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Give credit where credit is due. Should be xda motto lol
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chrisram88 said:
Give credit where credit is due. Should be xda motto lol
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He should have just added some credits. His roms were better than those he "borrowed" from. He also updated far more frequently and was always responding to questions.
What a shame.

xManMythLegend said:
He should have just added some credits. His roms were better than those he "borrowed" from. He also updated far more frequently and was always responding to questions.
What a shame.
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He knew how things work around xda rules are rules its not because hes a dev he could do what pleased him..
B4NN3D.
Not to be a **** or anything i loved his rom but still ...
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shahkam said:
He knew how things work around xda rules are rules its not because hes a dev he could do what pleased him..
B4NN3D.
Not to be a **** or anything i loved his rom but still ...
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Im not against the rules or anything else Im sure they are helpful for the bigger picture.:cyclops: I am however stating its ironic that he did better with there stuff than they did. IMO when a dev does that its usually buggy or simply not as good , his roms were always up to date and he had stuff out much quicker than others.
At the end of the day everyone here is modding someone elses work to begin with so getting banned for using a modification to an open source or Samsung based software is just weird to me.
Isnt that why theres two dev forums to begin with ?

Just so that we are all clear on this subject. He is not Banned.
Like someone above said, he still has a ROM in one of the Note sections (can't remember if NI or NII atm). I am one of the Mods over those sections as well so I have seen his threads and activity.
Now I don't know what exactly went down and why the thread was locked and even if I did, I'm not sure I can speak freely. I was called away on a family emergency that weekend and when I got back it was locked and the other thread about this was in full swing. It seemed like a kang job, but as I said, I do not know the particulars. I am only posting in this thread to let you know that he was not banned and chose to host his S3 ROM elsewhere.
Please don't make this thread into a pissing contest about who's was better and random speculation about what happened. Plus, if he is not here to defend himself, he shouldn't be attacked (not saying that any of the ones that posted attacked him in any way *more for future posters, if this thread stays open).

xManMythLegend said:
He should have just added some credits. His roms were better than those he "borrowed" from. He also updated far more frequently and was always responding to questions.
What a shame.
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He "borrowed" from me! And alot of other people, he wasnt a dev he was a kang artist! And got caught! You have no idea buddy

evil1art said:
He "borrowed" from me! And alot of other people, he wasnt a dev he was a kang artist! And got caught! You have no idea buddy
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Seems like you're arguing semantics. Only thing I see wrong is not giving credit. (ill surrender the end point that it's xdas way of managing things and that's fine.)
However you and everyone else are working off Google and to a lesser extent Samsungs work to begin with he only borrowed what you tweaked in someone else's code to begin with ;don't know why devs feel they should have special treatment. Having followed android *devs* since the early G1 days I find the current state rather egotistical and counter productive at times.
Again I say... I understand about not giving credit but alluding to him being a thief is ironic considering what is actually being done.
You say I have no idea, that's fine perhaps I don't . But proclaiming thievery with exclamation points doesn't exactly educate or inform anyone of anything let alone show that I'm in the dark on the matter.

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Seems like you're arguing semantics. Only thing I see wrong is not giving credit. (ill surrender the end point that it's xdas way of managing things and that's fine.)
However you and everyone else are working off Google and to a lesser extent Samsungs work to begin with he only borrowed what you tweaked in someone else's code to begin with ;don't know why devs feel they should have special treatment. Having followed android *devs* since the early G1 days I find the current state rather egotistical and counter productive at times.
Again I say... I understand about not giving credit but alluding to him being a thief is ironic considering what is actually being done.
You say I have no idea, that's fine perhaps I don't . But proclaiming thievery with exclamation points doesn't exactly educate or inform anyone of anything let alone show that I'm in the dark on the matter.
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Doesn't matter. You don't give credit you get banned. Thievery!!!!!!!:thumbup:
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Credit is the least he can ask. Do you know or even have an idea how long it takes to make a rom? De compiling recompiling apks tweaking smali. **** I tried to theme a couple pngs and 15 toggles and it took me a couple days just reading to figure out what to do! They have to edit a lot of files. It's long tedious work and they do it all for free!!
Regardless if it was based off Google code. They edited and made it unique. It is now theirs. For example for school you have to write a paper about Lincoln. You research about Lincoln and final write your paper. What your saying is that the paper you wrote is not yours because you pretty much just reworded facts you read online. (provided you didn't copy paste) the paper is now your own paper that you can claim rights too.
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not banned
WC has personal health issues and chose to close his public site for a bit. He has not been Banned and has some awesome new stuff for both the Htc Vivid and the new Htc One. He has been going through a lot and hopefully will be back up and running soon. Gary
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Woody said:
Just so that we are all clear on this subject. He is not Banned.
Like someone above said, he still has a ROM in one of the Note sections (can't remember if NI or NII atm). I am one of the Mods over those sections as well so I have seen his threads and activity.
Now I don't know what exactly went down and why the thread was locked and even if I did, I'm not sure I can speak freely. I was called away on a family emergency that weekend and when I got back it was locked and the other thread about this was in full swing. It seemed like a kang job, but as I said, I do not know the particulars. I am only posting in this thread to let you know that he was not banned and chose to host his S3 ROM elsewhere.
Please don't make this thread into a pissing contest about who's was better and random speculation about what happened. Plus, if he is not here to defend himself, he shouldn't be attacked (not saying that any of the ones that posted attacked him in any way *more for future posters, if this thread stays open).
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[Q] Why was Aeroevan's thread closed?

Why was Aeroevan's Unofficial CM10 for the Inc2 (2012-10-03) thread closed?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1805773
Wait it looks like all his threads have been closed WTF?

Looks like he wasn't uploading his kernal sources even after being asked/warned by the mods and therefore was not complying with GPL. Too bad he was one of our best devs. Wish there was some way to learn how to dev for vivow, I can't get anything to build grr

You mean his kernel source which is here? https://github.com/aeroevan Only a couple of other ROMs list any sort of source or GPL compliance info so I guess we can expect them all to be closed soon.
Well, just another reason to use RootzWiki instead.

Unecessary thread there was one not to long ago http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35584462
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Grouper said:
You mean his kernel source which is here? https://github.com/aeroevan Only a couple of other ROMs list any sort of source or GPL compliance info so I guess we can expect them all to be closed soon.
Well, just another reason to use RootzWiki instead.
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Rootz Wiki requires people comply with GPL just the same, so I doubt going there to avoid it will do much good.

GoonAssJuan said:
Unecessary thread there was one not to long ago http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35584462
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This thread was started first, what is your point, I am supposed to see into the future & read threads that will be posted?

Bob_Funk said:
This thread was started first, what is your point, I am supposed to see into the future & read threads that will be posted?
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chill man :laugh:

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Rootz Wiki requires people comply with GPL just the same, so I doubt going there to avoid it will do much good.
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I guess this ROM is dead. Too bad, and really not much of an explaination from teh mods.

therreid said:
I guess this ROM is dead. Too bad, and really not much of an explaination from teh mods.
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If you want an alternative...chillybean's PacRom in his incrediblyparanoid thread has all of CM10 and so much more. It is also running very well. I think the camera is working a bit better too.

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I guess this ROM is dead. Too bad, and really not much of an explaination from teh mods.
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There is an explanation from the mods... The very last post in the thread... "Failure to comply with GPL requirements" .... There has to be a link to kernel source in the op. Quite honestly though, the mods don't have to explain themselves or justify their actions to anyone. They are here to enforce the rules, not explain them over and over when these rules are posted everywhere you turn.
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I shall give it a go! Thanks!
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Are you seriously a MODERATOR!!!
Well....my thread was closed with statement: "thread closed until OP PM me back with the PM i sent him a few days ago and becomes compliant!"!!
So, this new moderator (Papa Smurf151) which came from nowhere who likes to close threads both in development & general section...should have read his inbox actually when he messaged me & I replied him back on the very same day!
So, what I understand now is that he closes threads in Development section in the name of "GPL Compliance" which I agree too...but why are those threads being closed (by Papa Smurf151 particularly) which asks why are most of the threads being closed.?? I mean are they closed for the DMWM (Don't Mess With the Moderators) compliance!!!!!
& shouldn't you check your Inbox before closing someone's thread....or atleast reply to him about what shall be done!!!

khamsakamal48 said:
Well....my thread was closed with statement: "thread closed until OP PM me back with the PM i sent him a few days ago and becomes compliant!"!!
So, this new moderator (Papa Smurf151) which came from nowhere who likes to close threads both in development & general section...should have read his inbox actually when he messaged me & I replied him back on the very same day!
So, what I understand now is that he closes threads in Development section in the name of "GPL Compliance" which I agree too...but why are those threads being closed (by Papa Smurf151 particularly) which asks why are most of the threads being closed.?? I mean are they closed for the DMWM (Don't Mess With the Moderators) compliance!!!!!
& shouldn't you check your Inbox before closing someone's thread....or atleast reply to him about what shall be done!!!
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They didn't come from nowhere. I would say its possible he didn't receive your pm? I know things like that have happened before and when I was pm'd I fixed my op that I missed things in and pm'd him back and he responded right away.
http://www.xda-developers.com/announcements/reworking-the-forum-specific-moderator-system/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35151599
^^just a couple references where they came from.
If you want your thread re-opened, simply put a link to the source your kernel uses (aeroevans git if you're using his kernel, for example) .. then pm the mod stating your thread is updated, include a link to your thread in your pm so he can easily verify it and the thread will be unlocked.

Well I would say at this point the Dinc2 is officially dead. Most devs won't want to take the time to bother with the mods and neither would I.
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phillibl said:
Well I would say at this point the Dinc2 is officially dead. Most devs won't want to take the time to bother with the mods and neither would I.
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Cmon man, aren't you reading what CS has said? Just a link to source. If they include it to start with it would not be an issue. And if they forgot, it isn't so big a deal when you consider the work that goes into making a ROM work. If they are willing to spend hours of work and time reading and responding and fixing bugs, do you really think a few minutes to update their op and pm a moderator is such a big task?
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If the Dinc2 is not their DD and they were just doing it out of the kindness of their hearts (supporting a 2 year old device) then yes I could see that as being too much of a hassle.
Most of those threads were open for months without any trouble then all of the sudden the mods decided to crack down on an old obscure device because of GPL.
Also I believe GPL just requires source to be available and anyone smart enough to root and flash their device can find Aeroevan's source code.
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If they were taking the time to still support the rom then I don't think it would be much trouble. They all do it out of the kindness or their heart as you put it. They don't get paid. They just enjoy it. If its an issue fine. But if they still enjoy deving this phone this won't stop them. CS is a developer as well as chilly, and they both did what needed to be done.
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phillibl said:
Well I would say at this point the Dinc2 is officially dead. Most devs won't want to take the time to bother with the mods and neither would I.
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So we should just say **** it and stop doing anything? And yes, we are supposed to post a link to source. It takes a whole 5 seconds to do so... Damn, I should stop wasting my time since no one else would want to be bothered with 5 seconds and would just say **** it.... I could have another drink instead.

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So we should just say **** it and stop doing anything? And yes, we are supposed to post a link to source. It takes a whole 5 seconds to do so... Damn, I should stop wasting my time since no one else would want to be bothered with 5 seconds and would just say **** it.... I could have another drink instead.
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Drink up and happy holidays my friend.
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CondemnedSoul said:
So we should just say **** it and stop doing anything? And yes, we are supposed to post a link to source. It takes a whole 5 seconds to do so... Damn, I should stop wasting my time since no one else would want to be bothered with 5 seconds and would just say **** it.... I could have another drink instead.
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I sir am happy with the work you guys do. So please continue to waste your time on fun stuff for my phone
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