I just want to know the difference
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There is no difference. If you unlock bootloader you can gain root.
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SanderTheNinja said:
There is no difference. If you unlock bootloader you can gain root.
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Of course there is a difference. Rooting lets you have complete admin rights on your phone, eg access to write files to the system partition for example or delete all the files. Or uninstall system apps.
Unlocking lets you flash an entire new rom or a custom recovery.
OP - There is plenty of info elsewhere, don't be lazy, just do some reading
with an unlocked bootloader, then you are able to root your phone and install custom roms and overclock and root stuff.
an unlocked bootloader is something you must do before having full access to your phone
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Of course there is a difference. Rooting lets you have complete admin rights on your phone, eg access to write files to the system partition for example or delete all the files. Or uninstall system apps.
Unlocking lets you flash an entire new rom or a custom recovery.
OP - There is plenty of info elsewhere, don't be lazy, just do some reading
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I mean, you can only get root if you unlock your bootloader.
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Root
Rooting a device is a method to gain full access to the operating system. With root you can do all the administrative stuff, write to locations normally restricted to the system and customize your device deeper.
Root enhances your privileges and you are able to change almost anything inside of your rom.
The rooting, however, affects ONLY your operating system (Android)
Unlocked Bootloader
In most devices, the Bootloader is the instance that calls the operating system (Android) and manages direct access to the device's partitions. Having an unlocked bootloader enables you to flash custom roms, custom kernels, recoveries and so on.
Bootloader and Rooting Teamplay
Often it is the case, and so, too in our devices, that a locked bootloader also locks write access to several partitions like the system partition. This is the reason why rooting is not able without unlocked bootloader. Rooting needs write access to the system partition (for storing the superuser binary and the superuser app)
Without unlocked bootloader, only a temporary half-root can be achieved.
Thanks alot guys
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How to unlock bootloader ,but the way that I can lock it again
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How to unlock bootloader ,but the way that I can lock it again
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Do some research. There are hundreds of posts on this topic.
scott_doyland said:
Of course there is a difference. Rooting lets you have complete admin rights on your phone, eg access to write files to the system partition for example or delete all the files. Or uninstall system apps.
Unlocking lets you flash an entire new rom or a custom recovery.
OP - There is plenty of info elsewhere, don't be lazy, just do some reading
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19 months after the question was asked, i just happened to be wanting to answer the same question for myself, so I searched and found this thread...
I am happy he asked the question, as it was the first answer I saw in google search... so maybe he could also have done a search 19 months ago, but his question was useful to me, and your response seemed rude and unnecessary. You never know who may benefit from a little generosity.
Mark.
scott_doyland said:
Do some research. There are hundreds of posts on this topic.
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I know that you're not rude (even though you sounded so). You replied what was correct and appropriate.
But my research for the question in question (pun unintended) on google pointed me straight to this very thread.
So, it would be greater if someone had posted some more good links besides their rude looking remark (again, not rude, but just looking so).
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Root
Rooting a device is a method to gain full access to the operating system. With root you can do all the administrative stuff, write to locations normally restricted to the system and customize your device deeper.
Root enhances your privileges and you are able to change almost anything inside of your rom.
The rooting, however, affects ONLY your operating system (Android)
Unlocked Bootloader
In most devices, the Bootloader is the instance that calls the operating system (Android) and manages direct access to the device's partitions. Having an unlocked bootloader enables you to flash custom roms, custom kernels, recoveries and so on.
Bootloader and Rooting Teamplay
Often it is the case, and so, too in our devices, that a locked bootloader also locks write access to several partitions like the system partition. This is the reason why rooting is not able without unlocked bootloader. Rooting needs write access to the system partition (for storing the superuser binary and the superuser app)
Without unlocked bootloader, only a temporary half-root can be achieved.
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Thanks for this useful info
I agree. It is the autumn of 2014, and I've been reading webpages until my eyes are bleary. This is the 1st thread that actually explains how the two concepts relate rather than descending into buttonology. I think the OP's question hits the nail on the head (well, one of them at least) and he doesn't need to be treated in a demeaning manner.
Wow, 1 year after last post, I thanked he asked this question! Was thinking as same as u, loll
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19 months after the question was asked, i just happened to be wanting to answer the same question for myself, so I searched and found this thread...
I am happy he asked the question, as it was the first answer I saw in google search... so maybe he could also have done a search 19 months ago, but his question was useful to me, and your response seemed rude and unnecessary. You never know who may benefit from a little generosity.
Mark.
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Root vs bootloader
If i have an unlocked bootloader can i install apps that require root. Will they still work even though im not rooted?
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If i have an unlocked bootloader can i install apps that require root. Will they still work even though im not rooted?
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I'm not an expert, but here's my understanding from months of reading up on this: Unlocking the bootloader lets you install a program known as Recovery, which is another program that lets you install operating systems, e.g., stock Android, CyanogenMod. Whether you have root or not is determined by settings made after the operating system is installed. So unlocking a bootloader is different from root. You can have either one without the other. However, I am also left with the impression that software that helps you unlock the bootloader also give you root (and perhaps vice-versa). This dual functionality is designed into the software, but they are separate things which don't have to both happen.
I just reviewed my answer and realized that it doesn't really address the quoted question very directly. Unfortunately, there is no "delete" function. So hopefully, it helps a bit. As further info, I unlocked bootloader, changed the Recovery, and replaced the native Android OS from Koodo with CyanogenMode. However, I did not root. Hopefully, someone else can chime in with further experience.
I've been wondering about this for years, as well. I don't feel confident doing things to my phone that I don't understand. I'm sure I'll never have a thorough understanding, as I'm not a programmer, but even a rough one would suffice. This is the same reason why I will only attempt certain operations on my car -- if I muck it up, I'm boned.
I rooted my phone (or maybe unlocked the bootloader?) a couple years ago, and never got around to doing anything else with it, because I couldn't figure out how to "do a recovery" (still don't know what that means, exactly). Or maybe I unlocked the bootloader, and never rooted it? I'm still confused. I see LOADS of folks who throw the terms around, whom I suspect, actually have no clue. I have a Verizon S4 MDK 4.2.2, and I just now finished the process -_- Better late than never? Now, I'm trying to decide if it's worth the headache, and possible risk, of installing custom ROMs, etc. Also, I know my phone is "SO old!!' and blah-blah-blah. At least if I screw things up now, I can get a new phone with a new contract, etc.
I really wish Verizon weren't such dirtbags about the locked bootloader thing.
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Heee is full difference between rooting and unlocking bootloader
Rooting - Administrative access to the entire file system including the ability to change system files such as installing system-wide ad-blocker by modifying the host file on your device, or uninstalling system apps, such as bloatware that comes pre-installed on your device. Without root, one can only see files in root directory instead of editing them. Some alps and mods only work with root.
Unlocking bootloader- To understand this term, one need to know the meaning of bootloader first. In simple terms, bootloader is like a person which checks many functions at the time of boot. It's on of the most important part and boots the first. Unlocking bootloader means asking that person to give us rights to do some modifications in our device like flashing custom recovery, rom etc.
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A basic question: is "unlocking bootloader" the same as "rooting"?
This is in reference to the HTC's promise to make their bootloaders unlockable throgh a web tool.
What exactly does "to unlock the bootloader" mean? Is it the same thing that we also know as "rooting"? Is it just a first step towards "rooting"? Or is it something totally different?
Unlocking the bootloader is NOT the same as rooting. Unlocking the bootloader is turning off/removing the security flag of the bootloader. When the bootloader is locked, the security flag is on (S-ON) which prevents rooting easily and flashing of roms not made by the company (who made the device). When the bootloader is unlocked (S-OFF), you will be able to root easier, flash whatever you want,etc. Also, having S-OFF gives rooted devices much more access and freedom to many things. Example: some apps only require root, but others which do many more things require root + S-OFF.
Oh, I see. Thank you for the answer. So, we are talking about what is usually informally referred to as "S-OFF".
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Oh, I see. Thank you for the answer. So, we are talking about what is usually informally referred to as "S-OFF".
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Yes. Exactly.
Actually, this time the security flag was stored in the radio, not the bootloader (for the Evo 3D/Sensation), but the explanation was pretty much correct.
Root is a user/permission that grants a user or application total control over a system. It's a Unix/Linux term. The equivalent on a PC would be Administrator (or really System, but to keep it simple, Administrator). For Android, all you need to think of it as is the Superuser app and the "su" binary (a binary is an executable or command in the form of a file). Superuser can be downloaded from the Market, which is no problem. But it's useless without the "su" binary (file), which needs to be flashed/stored in the /system partition of the phone.
Well if you can't write to /system without root, and you can't get root without writing to /system, you have a bit of a problem. You see, most phones can be easily rooted with apps like Gingerbreak or SuperOneClickRoot because their bootloaders aren't locked. But HTC likes to add a second layer of protection: S-ON.
See this picture? It's a picture of the bootloader on the Evo 3D. It was pretty much the same exact thing for the Evo 4G, and is the same for the Sensation. In the top right corner, you see how it says S-ON? It stands for Security ON. S-ON is a flag in the bootloader (or in this case, radio) which disallows any non-system applications from touching the /system partition. What AlpharevX and TeamWin did was develop a tool which, through an exploit, allowed the flag to be changed to S-OFF, thereby allowing us to install a custom recovery (ClockworkMod or twrp), which now allows us to flash things (like the zip to install Superuser, and the su binary).
One last thing I left out is that most apps that require root also need busybox, which can be installed through the app from the Market, "BusyBox Installer", but it's useless without root.
Hope that helps!
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You see, most phones can be easily rooted with apps like Gingerbread...
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One minor spelling error (Which can confuse someone who's just learning). It's not Gingerbread, it's Gingerbreak.
Theonew said:
One minor spelling error (Which can confuse someone who's just learning). It's not Gingerbread, it's Gingerbreak.
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Whoops. Thanks for that!
Hey guys, I recently got my Gnex(internation version from expansys) last week, but I'm a little bit on the fence when it comes to rooting as this is my first Android device. What are the benefits? I mean, I know that you guys get a ton of options with the variety of roms available to download/install, but I'm liking the stock ics that came with the device. If somebody cold convince on on doing it, then I'd be grateful. My baseband is XXLA2, is that the recommended one if I'm living in the US?
The ability to control your phone like you should. However being a really new person to android I wouldn't recommend you do it right away. Maybe browse the forum and learn somethings. Knowledge is power.
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Root gives you admin access to your phone. Definitely you should root, even if you want to stay on stock factory rom.
RogerPodacter said:
Root gives you admin access to your phone. Definitely you should root, even if you want to stay on stock factory rom.
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Only if he sees the benefits for himself. There's absolutely no reason for him to root if he doesn't understand what it does or how it will help/hurt him.
As mentioned previously, root access is admin access to the phone. Some benefits of it include being able to use the Adfree app to block advertisements in apps or Titanium Backup to backup apps the data associated with them. I'd take the time to get to know the phone and operating system first and then decide if you have a need for apps that require root access.
Off the top of my head:
-Fastest updates
-Ad removal
-Firewall
-True call blocking
-Lightflow
-Theming
-Backups (titanium, nandroid)
-Custom ROMs and all the millions of features they have (you could write pages and pages about this alone)
-Custom kernels (better battery+performance, touch wake, etc)
Since you have the Galaxy Nexus(a dev phone) as opposed to another locked-down phone, rooting is very, very easy. Unless you do something totally retarded you'll be safe. Just don't use toolkits -- do it manually.
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-Fastest updates
-Lightflow
-Backups (titanium, nandroid)
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-You don't need to root to get fast updates. You can flash update files the day they come out via fastboot w/ an unlocked bootloader.
-Lightflow also works w/o root.
-You can do backups with ADB also.
martonikaj said:
-You don't need to root to get fast updates. You can flash update files the day they come out via fastboot w/ an unlocked bootloader.
-Lightflow also works w/o root.
-You can do backups with ADB also.
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I guess I was thinking of "root" being synonymous with unlocked bootloader. My old phone required root...still need root for TB.
fredryk said:
I guess I was thinking of "root" being synonymous with unlocked bootloader. My old phone required root...still need root for TB.
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Yes this is usually the case with other phones. With the Nexus, its extremely easy to unlock the bootloader and not root. I'd recommend unlocking the bootloader on this phone, but I'm not so quick to recommend rooting. People on XDA or too quick to recommend rooting to people who have absolutely no idea what it is and end up bricking their device.
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Yes this is usually the case with other phones. With the Nexus, its extremely easy to unlock the bootloader and not root. I'd recommend unlocking the bootloader on this phone, but I'm not so quick to recommend rooting. People on XDA or too quick to recommend rooting to people who have absolutely no idea what it is and end up bricking their device.
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+1. Exactly.
You do not need root to flash custom ROMs, get updates, etc. if you have an unlocked bootloader. I totally agree with martonikaj: you SHOULD unlock your bootloader, but you shouldn't mess around with root until you know what root is and need it.
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I would unlock the bootloader immediately if you think you'll ever want to root the phone. Reason why is that you can unlock the bootloader easily with a single command, but it will wipe your phone, and there's no good way to do a real backup without rooting it. Better to do it now, before you have everything set up the way you want it and all of your apps installed.
For rooting, I agree that you shouldn't do it until you have a better idea what it is and why you want to do it.
I've been back and forth between root and non-root (always unlocked bootloader) and other than a few things already mentioned (Ad-free, Titanium Backup) I'm the type that can live with Stock ICS. I do flash custom ROM's once in a while to see if I enjoy them but I've always come back to Stock (for now) because of random reboot issues.
I'm reading this thread while on my way to root my phone (virgin like the guy who started this thread) I've been reading about rooting for a year, what's the difference between root and unlocked bootloader
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kennwoodkenn said:
I'm reading this thread while on my way to root my phone (virgin like the guy who started this thread) I've been reading about rooting for a year, what's the difference between root and unlocked bootloader
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From someone who knows just enough to get by....
Unlocking your bootloader allows you to flash custom recovery/ROM/Stock version/etc. You don't need root for this.
Root allows you full access to the phone with superuser permissions and install some apps that require full access to system files.
kennwoodkenn said:
I'm reading this thread while on my way to root my phone (virgin like the guy who started this thread) I've been reading about rooting for a year, what's the difference between root and unlocked bootloader
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You couldn't have been doing a lot of good reading if you've been reading for a year and don't know the difference. But don't feel bad -- there are lots of senior members that use the terms interchangeably which is completely and utterly wrong.
Root means having root user access to the file system. Kinda like being the administrator user on Windows machines. You can access all the files and modify and delete anything. The process consists of placing two files on the /system partition of your device. The problems with this process, is finding a way to make /system write-able to place those two files there (as it is read-only by default when you are booted in Android). Chicken or the egg -- You need root to get root.
Think of the bootloader as the BIOS of a computer. It loads up before the operating system, and allows you to perform certain basic tasks. In our case, the bootloader allows you to flash images to your device, and to boot images on your devices (without actually writing them to the NAND). Unlocking the bootloader removes the security on the bootloader, which means that the bootloader no longer verifies the signature of images you are trying to flash or boot and, thus, allows you to flash or boot non-Google signed images.
Now, are rooting and unlocking your bootloader related? Well, to a certain extent yes. If you unlock your bootloader, you can easily obtain root access. This is true because you can flash or boot a custom recovery, which will allow you to write files to /system without being booted into Android. So, with an unlocked bootloader, "rooting" becomes trivial. However, there are other ways to root -- by using exploits. GNex Android builds up to ICL53F can be rooted by mempodroid (see link 4 in my signature), but to-date, an exploit has not been found for IMM76D and higher.
For the epic touch it looks pretty easy to root in Odin mode it seems to be a way to go I know I want root for all the reasons above
My process
Root with ODIN
Install CWM
And like what I see in the AOKP ROM
I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN TO BACKUP
Am I on the right track
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kennwoodkenn said:
For the epic touch it looks pretty easy to root in Odin mode it seems to be a way to go I know I want root for all the reasons above
My process
Root with ODIN
Install CWM
And like what I see in the AOKP ROM
I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN TO BACKUP
Am I on the right track
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Why don't you ask in the Epic Touch forum??
Rooting your gnex doesn't need to be seen as taking a dive off a cliff while blindfolded. This is a myth perpetuated by people who have either never rooted their devices or did something retarded and bricked it. It's easy, painless, and uncomplicated if you follow the instructions. If you can take advantage of the ad removal, backups, call blocking, etc with ease....why not do it?
Use this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1529058
Thanks for all your help!
I'll proceed to unlock the bootloader, but will remain on stock for a while until I get the hang of it and want to expand my options.
I am new to the nexus 7.
Can I root without unlocking the broader?
What is the side effect of unlocking the boot loader?
Is there existing method to root without installing customer recovery?
Thanks
macaumen said:
I am new to the nexus 7.
Can I root without unlocking the broader?
What is the side effect of unlocking the boot loader?
Is there existing method to root without installing customer recovery?
Thanks
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There is currently no known way to root without unlocking the bootloader and using a custom recovery.
Unlocking the bootloader allows you more control over the tablet. Specifically to install custom recovery, ROMs, etc. Most of the benefits from an unlocked bootloader are things you do from a custom recovery, not through the bootloader itself. The only real negative 'side effects' are that you lose some of the safety benefits, since you can do dangerous things if you don't know what you are doing, and that it may void your warranty.
So, if want to root, I must unlock bootloader?
Well I still get ota with bootloader unlocked?
macaumen said:
So, if want to root, I must unlock bootloader?
Well I still get ota with bootloader unlocked?
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1. Yes
2. Technically you can, but not recommend; just wait for the rooted stock and flash that.
teh roxxorz said:
1. Yes
2. Technically you can, but not recommend; just wait for the rooted stock and flash that.
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Regarding your #2, there is no reason not to unlock the bootloader to get OTA updates. The only thing that breaks OTA is custom recovery.
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Regarding your #2, there is no reason not to unlock the bootloader to get OTA updates. The only thing that breaks OTA is custom recovery.
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Completely correct. I just said not to do it, cause he seems less experienced, and from my experience, they get freaked out afterwards trying to put it back on. So trying to save him a headache, lol.
I recommend staying stock unless you absolutely need a specific root required app.
Right now there isn't a reason for root access except titanium backup.
I do recommend, however, to go ahead and unlock. It will wipe your device including personal data, so might as well get that out of the way now before you risk losing something important.
You can easily flash a custom recovery and root anytime after that, but I would wait until knowledgeable devs figure out the device a little more first.
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I recommend staying stock unless you absolutely need a specific root required app.
Right now there isn't a reason for root access except titanium backup.
I do recommend, however, to go ahead and unlock. It will wipe your device including personal data, so might as well get that out of the way now before you risk losing something important.
You can easily flash a custom recovery and root anytime after that, but I would wait until knowledgeable devs figure out the device a little more first.
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I'm not sure why you would suggest people not to root now. You mentioned a very good reason to do so - Titanium Backup. Not only is it useful for backups in general, but it's also a lifesaver for copying apps and their data from one device, like someone's old N7, to their new N7.
While I would certainly agree that people should wait before flashing custom ROMs, kernels, hacks, etc., nothing is going to change with rooting your N7 today versus a week or month from now. All the pros and cons will still be the same.
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I'm not sure why you would suggest people not to root now.
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They guy doesn't need root. He also doesn't understand root. So his chances of softbricking are good, and then, instead of us trying to talk him out of rooting, we now have to talk him through how to fix it.... .. Can we count on you to provide this support since your are so OK with him rooting now?
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They guy doesn't need root. He also doesn't understand root. So his chances of softbricking are good, and then, instead of us trying to talk him out of rooting, we now have to talk him through how to fix it.... .. Can we count on your to provide this support since your are so OK with him rooting now?
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Neither you nor I have any idea what he needs or doesn't. He hasn't said anything other than asking some basic questions about the process. There are numerous guides on here that walk people through rooting step by step. There are also a handful of people who have soft bricked their device and asked for and received help. And yes, I have assisted people with similar issues in the past. Everyone on this board has at one point in their lives screwed something up - that's how we learn.
In any case, my point was that there is no clear reason for him not to do it if he wants to. The device is pretty forgiving unless he kills the bootloader.
I know this is not the right place to ask. I need to know. Do we have developers working on root for this model?
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Yes and No...still having booloader issues!
And yes wrong place...this post belongs in Q&A!
We need firmware release so we can restore after. Tell then no one really wants to try because just messing with options in recovery disables the phone.
http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=sub&sub=F&searchValue=N920
Will firmware release happen for our model?
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Will firmware release happen for our model?
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AT&T has to because it's open source. They however can keep it for like 6 months to a year or something. With the cracks down on root AT&T and Verizon it might be a long wait with the locked bootloader saidly and we need a custom kernel to get root and we can't flash kernels with locked bootloader. Just watch the website I linked and when we get our firmware then we can possibly expect root and someone to try and unlock the bootloader. I'm not sure if there is a "anti root" in the AT&T phone because I'm not going to lose my phone. I already had to return for warranty due to defective screen and spen. Look at how long it takes the new iPhone software to get jailbroken.
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AT&T has to because it's open source. They however can keep it for like 6 months to a year or something. With the cracks down on root AT&T and Verizon it might be a long wait with the locked bootloader saidly and we need a custom kernel to get root and we can't flash kernels with locked bootloader. Just watch the website I linked and when we get our firmware then we can possibly expect root and someone to try and unlock the bootloader. I'm not sure if there is a "anti root" in the AT&T phone because I'm not going to lose my phone. I already had to return for warranty due to defective screen and spen. Look at how long it takes the new iPhone software to get jailbroken.
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Needing a custom kernel for root is actually a false statement. A custom kernel is not needed to get root for this device. The AT&T S6 for example got root without the bootloader being unlocked or a custom kernel.
Which leads me to the bootloader being unlocked. There is probably a 100% chance that we don't get an unlocked bootloader for this device. It's extremely difficult and there hasn't been an AT&T device in a very long time that has had it unlocked.
And since we would need that for a custom kernel and aosp roms, those things will probably never happen unfortunately.
The very best we can hope for is root and a recovery like FlashFire like the S6 got. And even then we would be limited to only Touchwiz roms.
We will more then likely need custom kernel with permissive set. AT&T and Verizon are saying there's anti root and that would be in the kernel and would need to be killed. If we do obtain root with stock kernel the phone is said to not boot.
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/samsun...d-features-att-and-verizon-models-wont-468357
It is one of those things where they're will be zero development until some Uber-geek cracks the bootloader issue. Then there will be 20 devices or more that will be released from developer quarantine...
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AOSP will never happen without unlocked bootloader.
I do have hope for a root such as Ping Pong. Honestly, with how clean these phones ship nowadays, all I want root for is to replace emojis with iOS style throughout the system so I can grasp more context from my text messages lol. Also, LCD Density change would be nice too.
Is there anybody working on root for this phone?
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Have no need for root either except for xposed. Only want root for like 4 xposed modules.. Otherwise this device is nearly perfect
I need to change muy dpis
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Planning on getting this phone today..
I have rooted and installed ROMs on almost every phone I have owned and really hope that eventually a safe way of rooting is obtained.
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heh. I know what you mean, but I'm grumpy this morning so I'm going to pick this apart anyway.
If root is found on a boot loader locked device, it's usually via an exploit... Basically, most rooting mechanisms are similar to computer viruses. Sure, most of them are controlled viruses, but they exploit and expose security holes that something malicious could use just as easily. Instead of copying a "su" binary, that same exploit could install something that uploads your private data somewhere, or monitors the android keypad entry when you type credit card numbers, etc.
Don't get me wrong... I don't think that most of the root exploits here on XDA are doing that... but any time you use one, you should seriously consider that it might be. It would only take a single mishap to completely destroy your life outside of XDA.
To that end, you should REALLY pay attention to the entire filesystem both before and after an exploit is applied. See what files, if any, are modified and/or added. If an exploit adds a "su" binary (which most of them do), try to replace that "su" binary with one from a trusted source BEFORE you put personal data on your phone. Never "root" a device that has any data on it.
Remember that no matter what precautions you might be taking, a rooted device has a lower level of security than one that isn't. Not only have you added a "simple" root mechanism, but you likely had to defeat the security mechanisms that are part of the security enhanced linux kernel. (There are exceptions to this, of course, but I've never seen the exceptions here on XDA or any other sites that aren't focused on security.)
If this message made you a bit more paranoid, that's a good thing. You should be paranoid about it. I'm not saying not to do it, and I'm certainly not saying that XDA is overflowing with malicious code...
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heh. I know what you mean, but I'm grumpy this morning so I'm going to pick this apart anyway.
If root is found on a boot loader locked device, it's usually via an exploit... Basically, most rooting mechanisms are similar to computer viruses. Sure, most of them are controlled viruses, but they exploit and expose security holes that something malicious could use just as easily. Instead of copying a "su" binary, that same exploit could install something that uploads your private data somewhere, or monitors the android keypad entry when you type credit card numbers, etc.
Don't get me wrong... I don't think that most of the root exploits here on XDA are doing that... but any time you use one, you should seriously consider that it might be. It would only take a single mishap to completely destroy your life outside of XDA.
To that end, you should REALLY pay attention to the entire filesystem both before and after an exploit is applied. See what files, if any, are modified and/or added. If an exploit adds a "su" binary (which most of them do), try to replace that "su" binary with one from a trusted source BEFORE you put personal data on your phone. Never "root" a device that has any data on it.
Remember that no matter what precautions you might be taking, a rooted device has a lower level of security than one that isn't. Not only have you added a "simple" root mechanism, but you likely had to defeat the security mechanisms that are part of the security enhanced linux kernel. (There are exceptions to this, of course, but I've never seen the exceptions here on XDA or any other sites that aren't focused on security.)
If this message made you a bit more paranoid, that's a good thing. You should be paranoid about it. I'm not saying not to do it, and I'm certainly not saying that XDA is overflowing with malicious code...
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Yes, I do realize that rooting a device often does take advantage of any security holes found, and I also realize that there is no, in the literal sense, "safe" way to root a phone considering it is exploiting security flaws. Personally, I have never had such an issue of having something malicious on my phone after rooting(at least not to my knowledge)
By "safe" I meant a way to root without having the phone locked down and unable to boot. I am not worried about AOSP ROMs as I am completely content with using an AOSP themed launcher. But I would love to be able to uninstall bloat, ad block, greenify/amplify etc.
But I do appreciate your input on the subject as I have never put much thought into the security of the phone before and after root, or replacing the su binary with one from a trusted source or checking if it is from a trusted source.
It is also great to see someone else on the forums from Pittsburgh:highfive:
I have n920a. Please share the path to rooting this phone.
Cuando se podra rootear el dispositivo Samsung Galaxy Note 5 N920A?
Possible way to root?
I don't know if this would work. But what about flashing one of those new root.tar eng kernal then manually pushing the survey binary and super apk into phone then reflash stock kernal. I'm just intermediate at all this stuff. So idk if it would work or if this is stupid.
vahalaru said:
I don't know if this would work. But what about flashing one of those new root.tar eng kernal then manually pushing the survey binary and super apk into phone then reflash stock kernal. I'm just intermediate at all this stuff. So idk if it would work or if this is stupid.
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It's possible, after flashing the eng-boot do this:
adb shell mount -o rw,remount /system
Then manually push SuperSU to system, or install King/Kingo Root
Just be careful this is still a tethered root.
I have posted a teathered root process that Michael31 found from the AT&T s6 section. It works and you can get reboots with hoot booting. The locked bootloader causing issues with the kernel needed add commands on hard boot to change to permissive mode. Few of us have tried to fix this issue and haven't found anyway yet.
Do google know that we've unlocked the bootloader? (as Sony do as they ask for email adresses etc and confirm the ulock)
Wondering about warranty.
there is a notice about unlocking of bootloader may violate warranty . thing is it is stated in a somewhat vague manner, it is not like CAUTION YOU ARE ABOUT TO VIOLATE WARRANTY but rather worded like you may be in violation of warranty. anyway, i think it does violate and yes there is most likely a software switch that sets a value in hardware register which can be recovered to determine that the bootloader was unlocked. if you have the least bit of concern do not unlock.
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there is a notice about unlocking of bootloader may violate warranty . thing is it is stated in a somewhat vague manner, it is not like CAUTION YOU ARE ABOUT TO VIOLATE WARRANTY but rather worded like you may be in violation of warranty. anyway, i think it does violate and yes there is most likely a software switch that sets a value in hardware register which can be recovered to determine that the bootloader was unlocked. if you have the least bit of concern do not unlock.
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Ok thanks.
One last google noob question; does rooting usually need an unlocked bootloader?
On xperia root is more difficult to achieve with a locked bootloader, but can be done, thanks to the devs.
I guess I will read the 6P thread to get a feel for the situation.
Cheers again.
i do not know if it is possible, in practice as far as i know it is necessary to unlock if any modification is wanted. recently it is popular to gain root without mod of /system partition. hopefully that is what is achieved with the pixel c.
edit: never done this but, fastboot boot recovery recovery.img then flash a superuser from temp recovery. however it seems you would still be restricted from mod of /system
in future.
dkryder said:
i do not know if it is possible, in practice as far as i know it is necessary to unlock if any modification is wanted. recently it is popular to gain root without mod of /system partition. hopefully that is what is achieved with the pixel c.
edit: never done this but, fastboot boot recovery recovery.img then flash a superuser from temp recovery. however it seems you would still be restricted from mod of /system
in future.
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If you use fastboot boot then you do not need to specify a partition (only if using fasboot flash *partition* image.img).
The device is still very new but im sure a custom recovery will be released soon so an easy root can be achieved.
MArk.
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If you use fastboot boot then you do not need to specify a partition (only if using fasboot flash *partition* image.img).
The device is still very new but im sure a custom recovery will be released soon so an easy root can be achieved.
MArk.
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I sure hope so. That's one of the only things keeping me from buying it already. It's kind of worrisome that the development forums are almost completely dead (save for the one thread trying to get root without a custom recovery, of course). I guess I'm just spoiled by using only Nexus devices, so having very active development is usually the norm.
well, the thing was only a rumor about sales start up until a report in a german site on 12/5 or so that sales would start 12/8 and then on 12/8 a confirm that at 1pm eastern u.s.a. sales would begin. talk about giving people a decent notice about a device this pixel c was a new low for google. it's almost they decided to sell them as android tablet at last moment instead of tossing in trash as a complete failure as chrome os tablet so, yeah, it will take a while for anyone that has skill to develop this device to ante up the funds and take delivery. if bootloader remains locked and boot temp recovery to flash supersu does that restrict the root in any way? i am just curious about this as my bootloader is unlocked.