I know this is not the right place to ask. I need to know. Do we have developers working on root for this model?
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Yes and No...still having booloader issues!
And yes wrong place...this post belongs in Q&A!
We need firmware release so we can restore after. Tell then no one really wants to try because just messing with options in recovery disables the phone.
http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=sub&sub=F&searchValue=N920
Will firmware release happen for our model?
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Will firmware release happen for our model?
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AT&T has to because it's open source. They however can keep it for like 6 months to a year or something. With the cracks down on root AT&T and Verizon it might be a long wait with the locked bootloader saidly and we need a custom kernel to get root and we can't flash kernels with locked bootloader. Just watch the website I linked and when we get our firmware then we can possibly expect root and someone to try and unlock the bootloader. I'm not sure if there is a "anti root" in the AT&T phone because I'm not going to lose my phone. I already had to return for warranty due to defective screen and spen. Look at how long it takes the new iPhone software to get jailbroken.
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AT&T has to because it's open source. They however can keep it for like 6 months to a year or something. With the cracks down on root AT&T and Verizon it might be a long wait with the locked bootloader saidly and we need a custom kernel to get root and we can't flash kernels with locked bootloader. Just watch the website I linked and when we get our firmware then we can possibly expect root and someone to try and unlock the bootloader. I'm not sure if there is a "anti root" in the AT&T phone because I'm not going to lose my phone. I already had to return for warranty due to defective screen and spen. Look at how long it takes the new iPhone software to get jailbroken.
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Needing a custom kernel for root is actually a false statement. A custom kernel is not needed to get root for this device. The AT&T S6 for example got root without the bootloader being unlocked or a custom kernel.
Which leads me to the bootloader being unlocked. There is probably a 100% chance that we don't get an unlocked bootloader for this device. It's extremely difficult and there hasn't been an AT&T device in a very long time that has had it unlocked.
And since we would need that for a custom kernel and aosp roms, those things will probably never happen unfortunately.
The very best we can hope for is root and a recovery like FlashFire like the S6 got. And even then we would be limited to only Touchwiz roms.
We will more then likely need custom kernel with permissive set. AT&T and Verizon are saying there's anti root and that would be in the kernel and would need to be killed. If we do obtain root with stock kernel the phone is said to not boot.
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/samsun...d-features-att-and-verizon-models-wont-468357
It is one of those things where they're will be zero development until some Uber-geek cracks the bootloader issue. Then there will be 20 devices or more that will be released from developer quarantine...
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AOSP will never happen without unlocked bootloader.
I do have hope for a root such as Ping Pong. Honestly, with how clean these phones ship nowadays, all I want root for is to replace emojis with iOS style throughout the system so I can grasp more context from my text messages lol. Also, LCD Density change would be nice too.
Is there anybody working on root for this phone?
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Have no need for root either except for xposed. Only want root for like 4 xposed modules.. Otherwise this device is nearly perfect
I need to change muy dpis
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Planning on getting this phone today..
I have rooted and installed ROMs on almost every phone I have owned and really hope that eventually a safe way of rooting is obtained.
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heh. I know what you mean, but I'm grumpy this morning so I'm going to pick this apart anyway.
If root is found on a boot loader locked device, it's usually via an exploit... Basically, most rooting mechanisms are similar to computer viruses. Sure, most of them are controlled viruses, but they exploit and expose security holes that something malicious could use just as easily. Instead of copying a "su" binary, that same exploit could install something that uploads your private data somewhere, or monitors the android keypad entry when you type credit card numbers, etc.
Don't get me wrong... I don't think that most of the root exploits here on XDA are doing that... but any time you use one, you should seriously consider that it might be. It would only take a single mishap to completely destroy your life outside of XDA.
To that end, you should REALLY pay attention to the entire filesystem both before and after an exploit is applied. See what files, if any, are modified and/or added. If an exploit adds a "su" binary (which most of them do), try to replace that "su" binary with one from a trusted source BEFORE you put personal data on your phone. Never "root" a device that has any data on it.
Remember that no matter what precautions you might be taking, a rooted device has a lower level of security than one that isn't. Not only have you added a "simple" root mechanism, but you likely had to defeat the security mechanisms that are part of the security enhanced linux kernel. (There are exceptions to this, of course, but I've never seen the exceptions here on XDA or any other sites that aren't focused on security.)
If this message made you a bit more paranoid, that's a good thing. You should be paranoid about it. I'm not saying not to do it, and I'm certainly not saying that XDA is overflowing with malicious code...
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heh. I know what you mean, but I'm grumpy this morning so I'm going to pick this apart anyway.
If root is found on a boot loader locked device, it's usually via an exploit... Basically, most rooting mechanisms are similar to computer viruses. Sure, most of them are controlled viruses, but they exploit and expose security holes that something malicious could use just as easily. Instead of copying a "su" binary, that same exploit could install something that uploads your private data somewhere, or monitors the android keypad entry when you type credit card numbers, etc.
Don't get me wrong... I don't think that most of the root exploits here on XDA are doing that... but any time you use one, you should seriously consider that it might be. It would only take a single mishap to completely destroy your life outside of XDA.
To that end, you should REALLY pay attention to the entire filesystem both before and after an exploit is applied. See what files, if any, are modified and/or added. If an exploit adds a "su" binary (which most of them do), try to replace that "su" binary with one from a trusted source BEFORE you put personal data on your phone. Never "root" a device that has any data on it.
Remember that no matter what precautions you might be taking, a rooted device has a lower level of security than one that isn't. Not only have you added a "simple" root mechanism, but you likely had to defeat the security mechanisms that are part of the security enhanced linux kernel. (There are exceptions to this, of course, but I've never seen the exceptions here on XDA or any other sites that aren't focused on security.)
If this message made you a bit more paranoid, that's a good thing. You should be paranoid about it. I'm not saying not to do it, and I'm certainly not saying that XDA is overflowing with malicious code...
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Yes, I do realize that rooting a device often does take advantage of any security holes found, and I also realize that there is no, in the literal sense, "safe" way to root a phone considering it is exploiting security flaws. Personally, I have never had such an issue of having something malicious on my phone after rooting(at least not to my knowledge)
By "safe" I meant a way to root without having the phone locked down and unable to boot. I am not worried about AOSP ROMs as I am completely content with using an AOSP themed launcher. But I would love to be able to uninstall bloat, ad block, greenify/amplify etc.
But I do appreciate your input on the subject as I have never put much thought into the security of the phone before and after root, or replacing the su binary with one from a trusted source or checking if it is from a trusted source.
It is also great to see someone else on the forums from Pittsburgh:highfive:
I have n920a. Please share the path to rooting this phone.
Cuando se podra rootear el dispositivo Samsung Galaxy Note 5 N920A?
Possible way to root?
I don't know if this would work. But what about flashing one of those new root.tar eng kernal then manually pushing the survey binary and super apk into phone then reflash stock kernal. I'm just intermediate at all this stuff. So idk if it would work or if this is stupid.
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I don't know if this would work. But what about flashing one of those new root.tar eng kernal then manually pushing the survey binary and super apk into phone then reflash stock kernal. I'm just intermediate at all this stuff. So idk if it would work or if this is stupid.
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It's possible, after flashing the eng-boot do this:
adb shell mount -o rw,remount /system
Then manually push SuperSU to system, or install King/Kingo Root
Just be careful this is still a tethered root.
I have posted a teathered root process that Michael31 found from the AT&T s6 section. It works and you can get reboots with hoot booting. The locked bootloader causing issues with the kernel needed add commands on hard boot to change to permissive mode. Few of us have tried to fix this issue and haven't found anyway yet.
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I just want to know the difference
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There is no difference. If you unlock bootloader you can gain root.
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SanderTheNinja said:
There is no difference. If you unlock bootloader you can gain root.
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Of course there is a difference. Rooting lets you have complete admin rights on your phone, eg access to write files to the system partition for example or delete all the files. Or uninstall system apps.
Unlocking lets you flash an entire new rom or a custom recovery.
OP - There is plenty of info elsewhere, don't be lazy, just do some reading
with an unlocked bootloader, then you are able to root your phone and install custom roms and overclock and root stuff.
an unlocked bootloader is something you must do before having full access to your phone
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Of course there is a difference. Rooting lets you have complete admin rights on your phone, eg access to write files to the system partition for example or delete all the files. Or uninstall system apps.
Unlocking lets you flash an entire new rom or a custom recovery.
OP - There is plenty of info elsewhere, don't be lazy, just do some reading
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I mean, you can only get root if you unlock your bootloader.
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Root
Rooting a device is a method to gain full access to the operating system. With root you can do all the administrative stuff, write to locations normally restricted to the system and customize your device deeper.
Root enhances your privileges and you are able to change almost anything inside of your rom.
The rooting, however, affects ONLY your operating system (Android)
Unlocked Bootloader
In most devices, the Bootloader is the instance that calls the operating system (Android) and manages direct access to the device's partitions. Having an unlocked bootloader enables you to flash custom roms, custom kernels, recoveries and so on.
Bootloader and Rooting Teamplay
Often it is the case, and so, too in our devices, that a locked bootloader also locks write access to several partitions like the system partition. This is the reason why rooting is not able without unlocked bootloader. Rooting needs write access to the system partition (for storing the superuser binary and the superuser app)
Without unlocked bootloader, only a temporary half-root can be achieved.
Thanks alot guys
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How to unlock bootloader ,but the way that I can lock it again
prdonja said:
How to unlock bootloader ,but the way that I can lock it again
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Do some research. There are hundreds of posts on this topic.
scott_doyland said:
Of course there is a difference. Rooting lets you have complete admin rights on your phone, eg access to write files to the system partition for example or delete all the files. Or uninstall system apps.
Unlocking lets you flash an entire new rom or a custom recovery.
OP - There is plenty of info elsewhere, don't be lazy, just do some reading
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19 months after the question was asked, i just happened to be wanting to answer the same question for myself, so I searched and found this thread...
I am happy he asked the question, as it was the first answer I saw in google search... so maybe he could also have done a search 19 months ago, but his question was useful to me, and your response seemed rude and unnecessary. You never know who may benefit from a little generosity.
Mark.
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Do some research. There are hundreds of posts on this topic.
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I know that you're not rude (even though you sounded so). You replied what was correct and appropriate.
But my research for the question in question (pun unintended) on google pointed me straight to this very thread.
So, it would be greater if someone had posted some more good links besides their rude looking remark (again, not rude, but just looking so).
theq86 said:
Root
Rooting a device is a method to gain full access to the operating system. With root you can do all the administrative stuff, write to locations normally restricted to the system and customize your device deeper.
Root enhances your privileges and you are able to change almost anything inside of your rom.
The rooting, however, affects ONLY your operating system (Android)
Unlocked Bootloader
In most devices, the Bootloader is the instance that calls the operating system (Android) and manages direct access to the device's partitions. Having an unlocked bootloader enables you to flash custom roms, custom kernels, recoveries and so on.
Bootloader and Rooting Teamplay
Often it is the case, and so, too in our devices, that a locked bootloader also locks write access to several partitions like the system partition. This is the reason why rooting is not able without unlocked bootloader. Rooting needs write access to the system partition (for storing the superuser binary and the superuser app)
Without unlocked bootloader, only a temporary half-root can be achieved.
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Thanks for this useful info
I agree. It is the autumn of 2014, and I've been reading webpages until my eyes are bleary. This is the 1st thread that actually explains how the two concepts relate rather than descending into buttonology. I think the OP's question hits the nail on the head (well, one of them at least) and he doesn't need to be treated in a demeaning manner.
Wow, 1 year after last post, I thanked he asked this question! Was thinking as same as u, loll
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19 months after the question was asked, i just happened to be wanting to answer the same question for myself, so I searched and found this thread...
I am happy he asked the question, as it was the first answer I saw in google search... so maybe he could also have done a search 19 months ago, but his question was useful to me, and your response seemed rude and unnecessary. You never know who may benefit from a little generosity.
Mark.
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Root vs bootloader
If i have an unlocked bootloader can i install apps that require root. Will they still work even though im not rooted?
Deogracias said:
If i have an unlocked bootloader can i install apps that require root. Will they still work even though im not rooted?
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I'm not an expert, but here's my understanding from months of reading up on this: Unlocking the bootloader lets you install a program known as Recovery, which is another program that lets you install operating systems, e.g., stock Android, CyanogenMod. Whether you have root or not is determined by settings made after the operating system is installed. So unlocking a bootloader is different from root. You can have either one without the other. However, I am also left with the impression that software that helps you unlock the bootloader also give you root (and perhaps vice-versa). This dual functionality is designed into the software, but they are separate things which don't have to both happen.
I just reviewed my answer and realized that it doesn't really address the quoted question very directly. Unfortunately, there is no "delete" function. So hopefully, it helps a bit. As further info, I unlocked bootloader, changed the Recovery, and replaced the native Android OS from Koodo with CyanogenMode. However, I did not root. Hopefully, someone else can chime in with further experience.
I've been wondering about this for years, as well. I don't feel confident doing things to my phone that I don't understand. I'm sure I'll never have a thorough understanding, as I'm not a programmer, but even a rough one would suffice. This is the same reason why I will only attempt certain operations on my car -- if I muck it up, I'm boned.
I rooted my phone (or maybe unlocked the bootloader?) a couple years ago, and never got around to doing anything else with it, because I couldn't figure out how to "do a recovery" (still don't know what that means, exactly). Or maybe I unlocked the bootloader, and never rooted it? I'm still confused. I see LOADS of folks who throw the terms around, whom I suspect, actually have no clue. I have a Verizon S4 MDK 4.2.2, and I just now finished the process -_- Better late than never? Now, I'm trying to decide if it's worth the headache, and possible risk, of installing custom ROMs, etc. Also, I know my phone is "SO old!!' and blah-blah-blah. At least if I screw things up now, I can get a new phone with a new contract, etc.
I really wish Verizon weren't such dirtbags about the locked bootloader thing.
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SanderTheNinja said:
There is no difference. If you unlock bootloader you can gain root.
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Heee is full difference between rooting and unlocking bootloader
Rooting - Administrative access to the entire file system including the ability to change system files such as installing system-wide ad-blocker by modifying the host file on your device, or uninstalling system apps, such as bloatware that comes pre-installed on your device. Without root, one can only see files in root directory instead of editing them. Some alps and mods only work with root.
Unlocking bootloader- To understand this term, one need to know the meaning of bootloader first. In simple terms, bootloader is like a person which checks many functions at the time of boot. It's on of the most important part and boots the first. Unlocking bootloader means asking that person to give us rights to do some modifications in our device like flashing custom recovery, rom etc.
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How to unlock bootloader ,but the way that I can lock it again
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ADB
Hey guys, I recently got my Gnex(internation version from expansys) last week, but I'm a little bit on the fence when it comes to rooting as this is my first Android device. What are the benefits? I mean, I know that you guys get a ton of options with the variety of roms available to download/install, but I'm liking the stock ics that came with the device. If somebody cold convince on on doing it, then I'd be grateful. My baseband is XXLA2, is that the recommended one if I'm living in the US?
The ability to control your phone like you should. However being a really new person to android I wouldn't recommend you do it right away. Maybe browse the forum and learn somethings. Knowledge is power.
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Root gives you admin access to your phone. Definitely you should root, even if you want to stay on stock factory rom.
RogerPodacter said:
Root gives you admin access to your phone. Definitely you should root, even if you want to stay on stock factory rom.
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Only if he sees the benefits for himself. There's absolutely no reason for him to root if he doesn't understand what it does or how it will help/hurt him.
As mentioned previously, root access is admin access to the phone. Some benefits of it include being able to use the Adfree app to block advertisements in apps or Titanium Backup to backup apps the data associated with them. I'd take the time to get to know the phone and operating system first and then decide if you have a need for apps that require root access.
Off the top of my head:
-Fastest updates
-Ad removal
-Firewall
-True call blocking
-Lightflow
-Theming
-Backups (titanium, nandroid)
-Custom ROMs and all the millions of features they have (you could write pages and pages about this alone)
-Custom kernels (better battery+performance, touch wake, etc)
Since you have the Galaxy Nexus(a dev phone) as opposed to another locked-down phone, rooting is very, very easy. Unless you do something totally retarded you'll be safe. Just don't use toolkits -- do it manually.
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-Fastest updates
-Lightflow
-Backups (titanium, nandroid)
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-You don't need to root to get fast updates. You can flash update files the day they come out via fastboot w/ an unlocked bootloader.
-Lightflow also works w/o root.
-You can do backups with ADB also.
martonikaj said:
-You don't need to root to get fast updates. You can flash update files the day they come out via fastboot w/ an unlocked bootloader.
-Lightflow also works w/o root.
-You can do backups with ADB also.
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I guess I was thinking of "root" being synonymous with unlocked bootloader. My old phone required root...still need root for TB.
fredryk said:
I guess I was thinking of "root" being synonymous with unlocked bootloader. My old phone required root...still need root for TB.
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Yes this is usually the case with other phones. With the Nexus, its extremely easy to unlock the bootloader and not root. I'd recommend unlocking the bootloader on this phone, but I'm not so quick to recommend rooting. People on XDA or too quick to recommend rooting to people who have absolutely no idea what it is and end up bricking their device.
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Yes this is usually the case with other phones. With the Nexus, its extremely easy to unlock the bootloader and not root. I'd recommend unlocking the bootloader on this phone, but I'm not so quick to recommend rooting. People on XDA or too quick to recommend rooting to people who have absolutely no idea what it is and end up bricking their device.
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+1. Exactly.
You do not need root to flash custom ROMs, get updates, etc. if you have an unlocked bootloader. I totally agree with martonikaj: you SHOULD unlock your bootloader, but you shouldn't mess around with root until you know what root is and need it.
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I would unlock the bootloader immediately if you think you'll ever want to root the phone. Reason why is that you can unlock the bootloader easily with a single command, but it will wipe your phone, and there's no good way to do a real backup without rooting it. Better to do it now, before you have everything set up the way you want it and all of your apps installed.
For rooting, I agree that you shouldn't do it until you have a better idea what it is and why you want to do it.
I've been back and forth between root and non-root (always unlocked bootloader) and other than a few things already mentioned (Ad-free, Titanium Backup) I'm the type that can live with Stock ICS. I do flash custom ROM's once in a while to see if I enjoy them but I've always come back to Stock (for now) because of random reboot issues.
I'm reading this thread while on my way to root my phone (virgin like the guy who started this thread) I've been reading about rooting for a year, what's the difference between root and unlocked bootloader
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kennwoodkenn said:
I'm reading this thread while on my way to root my phone (virgin like the guy who started this thread) I've been reading about rooting for a year, what's the difference between root and unlocked bootloader
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From someone who knows just enough to get by....
Unlocking your bootloader allows you to flash custom recovery/ROM/Stock version/etc. You don't need root for this.
Root allows you full access to the phone with superuser permissions and install some apps that require full access to system files.
kennwoodkenn said:
I'm reading this thread while on my way to root my phone (virgin like the guy who started this thread) I've been reading about rooting for a year, what's the difference between root and unlocked bootloader
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You couldn't have been doing a lot of good reading if you've been reading for a year and don't know the difference. But don't feel bad -- there are lots of senior members that use the terms interchangeably which is completely and utterly wrong.
Root means having root user access to the file system. Kinda like being the administrator user on Windows machines. You can access all the files and modify and delete anything. The process consists of placing two files on the /system partition of your device. The problems with this process, is finding a way to make /system write-able to place those two files there (as it is read-only by default when you are booted in Android). Chicken or the egg -- You need root to get root.
Think of the bootloader as the BIOS of a computer. It loads up before the operating system, and allows you to perform certain basic tasks. In our case, the bootloader allows you to flash images to your device, and to boot images on your devices (without actually writing them to the NAND). Unlocking the bootloader removes the security on the bootloader, which means that the bootloader no longer verifies the signature of images you are trying to flash or boot and, thus, allows you to flash or boot non-Google signed images.
Now, are rooting and unlocking your bootloader related? Well, to a certain extent yes. If you unlock your bootloader, you can easily obtain root access. This is true because you can flash or boot a custom recovery, which will allow you to write files to /system without being booted into Android. So, with an unlocked bootloader, "rooting" becomes trivial. However, there are other ways to root -- by using exploits. GNex Android builds up to ICL53F can be rooted by mempodroid (see link 4 in my signature), but to-date, an exploit has not been found for IMM76D and higher.
For the epic touch it looks pretty easy to root in Odin mode it seems to be a way to go I know I want root for all the reasons above
My process
Root with ODIN
Install CWM
And like what I see in the AOKP ROM
I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN TO BACKUP
Am I on the right track
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kennwoodkenn said:
For the epic touch it looks pretty easy to root in Odin mode it seems to be a way to go I know I want root for all the reasons above
My process
Root with ODIN
Install CWM
And like what I see in the AOKP ROM
I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN TO BACKUP
Am I on the right track
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Why don't you ask in the Epic Touch forum??
Rooting your gnex doesn't need to be seen as taking a dive off a cliff while blindfolded. This is a myth perpetuated by people who have either never rooted their devices or did something retarded and bricked it. It's easy, painless, and uncomplicated if you follow the instructions. If you can take advantage of the ad removal, backups, call blocking, etc with ease....why not do it?
Use this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1529058
Thanks for all your help!
I'll proceed to unlock the bootloader, but will remain on stock for a while until I get the hang of it and want to expand my options.
Do google know that we've unlocked the bootloader? (as Sony do as they ask for email adresses etc and confirm the ulock)
Wondering about warranty.
there is a notice about unlocking of bootloader may violate warranty . thing is it is stated in a somewhat vague manner, it is not like CAUTION YOU ARE ABOUT TO VIOLATE WARRANTY but rather worded like you may be in violation of warranty. anyway, i think it does violate and yes there is most likely a software switch that sets a value in hardware register which can be recovered to determine that the bootloader was unlocked. if you have the least bit of concern do not unlock.
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there is a notice about unlocking of bootloader may violate warranty . thing is it is stated in a somewhat vague manner, it is not like CAUTION YOU ARE ABOUT TO VIOLATE WARRANTY but rather worded like you may be in violation of warranty. anyway, i think it does violate and yes there is most likely a software switch that sets a value in hardware register which can be recovered to determine that the bootloader was unlocked. if you have the least bit of concern do not unlock.
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Ok thanks.
One last google noob question; does rooting usually need an unlocked bootloader?
On xperia root is more difficult to achieve with a locked bootloader, but can be done, thanks to the devs.
I guess I will read the 6P thread to get a feel for the situation.
Cheers again.
i do not know if it is possible, in practice as far as i know it is necessary to unlock if any modification is wanted. recently it is popular to gain root without mod of /system partition. hopefully that is what is achieved with the pixel c.
edit: never done this but, fastboot boot recovery recovery.img then flash a superuser from temp recovery. however it seems you would still be restricted from mod of /system
in future.
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i do not know if it is possible, in practice as far as i know it is necessary to unlock if any modification is wanted. recently it is popular to gain root without mod of /system partition. hopefully that is what is achieved with the pixel c.
edit: never done this but, fastboot boot recovery recovery.img then flash a superuser from temp recovery. however it seems you would still be restricted from mod of /system
in future.
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If you use fastboot boot then you do not need to specify a partition (only if using fasboot flash *partition* image.img).
The device is still very new but im sure a custom recovery will be released soon so an easy root can be achieved.
MArk.
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If you use fastboot boot then you do not need to specify a partition (only if using fasboot flash *partition* image.img).
The device is still very new but im sure a custom recovery will be released soon so an easy root can be achieved.
MArk.
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I sure hope so. That's one of the only things keeping me from buying it already. It's kind of worrisome that the development forums are almost completely dead (save for the one thread trying to get root without a custom recovery, of course). I guess I'm just spoiled by using only Nexus devices, so having very active development is usually the norm.
well, the thing was only a rumor about sales start up until a report in a german site on 12/5 or so that sales would start 12/8 and then on 12/8 a confirm that at 1pm eastern u.s.a. sales would begin. talk about giving people a decent notice about a device this pixel c was a new low for google. it's almost they decided to sell them as android tablet at last moment instead of tossing in trash as a complete failure as chrome os tablet so, yeah, it will take a while for anyone that has skill to develop this device to ante up the funds and take delivery. if bootloader remains locked and boot temp recovery to flash supersu does that restrict the root in any way? i am just curious about this as my bootloader is unlocked.
Hi All,
I was reading the news and came accross a recent article stating that there is way of having root access to old android devices that are preety much out of luck for futre security updates. I thought a developer can take a look and see if note 4 at&t can have root.
Article: http://arstechnica.com/security/201...tflips-to-root-android-phones-is-now-a-thing/
How I wish we could get one..possibly a glimmer of hope for us..
Tried the app, says closest thing to my phone is an S5 Plus..
I got the same thing. What does your actual output say? We should cut and paste our logs.
I assume it says S5 Plus due to the fact that both phones have a SD 805. Hopefully this actually leads to root. Another bug called Dirty Cow was also found. Maybe that will lead to root too. Hopefully.
I'm not a Dev, and this might even be an irrelevant post as it's coming from a different device, but it looks like they've managed to install TWRP on their device - previously not possible, using the Dirty Cow exploit..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69312919&postcount=148
Maybe we can have something like that?
I dunno... I'm still of the mind that N4 will NEVER be root-possible because of the device's utilization with government contracts. I have given up on rooting this thing, and with N7 having been recalled, I'm awaiting N8, and hoping it doesn't start blowing up!
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can anyone help me with something?
I've been keeping up on the progress they have been making with dirty cow. As of right now they can get the exploit to run and create a root shell, but after doing so they are losing read/write access and are being left with a read-only access. It's looking they they are probing into finding the right process the disrupt to keep the rw access so they can change selinux.
If they can manage to pull it off, which given how much progress they have made since it was announced, we will get root, but we will not be able to flash custom roms due to the locked bootloader. We will be probably be able to clean the bloat out and other system tweaks. The only downside so far is if you upgrade to 6.0+ this will most likely not work due to the enforced boot security check.
Hope they do find a way to get root using Dirty Cow..but then, I don't think I'd be willing to trade off MM to root at this point, since we cant flash custom ROMs anyways..
But if they can get it to work on MM, I'd be willing to try it out..
Hi,
My wife HTC m9(UK, Vodaphone, latest stock ROM, No root) was turned off last night to charge.
When booted up it does the below. It does not load into the OS. Every boot loops into the below.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8n21CQX7535cjF4MnZqV2E1dGM/view?usp=sharing
It says the software has been modified?
My wife was very insistent that I never root or change ROMS on her phone.
Does anyone have a fix or is this send off for replacement?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Ca1v
ca1v said:
Hi,
My wife HTC m9(UK, Vodaphone, latest stock ROM, No root) was turned off last night to charge.
When booted up it does the below. It does not load into the OS. Every boot loops into the below.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8n21CQX7535cjF4MnZqV2E1dGM/view?usp=sharing
It says the software has been modified?
My wife was very insistent that I never root or change ROMS on her phone.
Does anyone have a fix or is this send off for replacement?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Ca1v
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What happens if you try to boot to Download Mode? I guess you see the black screen that is mentioned in Q7, right? If that's the case there isn't much you can do...
Download mode seems to be working (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8n21CQX7535cEFhTlpnajF5anM/view?usp=sharing)
If this is the case, can you point me in the right direction to get resolved?
Many thanks for the help
Flippy498 said:
What happens if you try to boot to Download Mode? I guess you see the black screen that is mentioned in Q7, right? If that's the case there isn't much you can do...
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Download mode seems to be working (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8n...ew?usp=sharing)
If this is the case, can you point me in the right direction to get resolved?
Many thanks for the help
Interesting. Your video in post 1 shows a security warning. That means that the OS got deleted. This is only possible if you unlock the bootloader and delete it manually via TWRP or if the EMMC gets broken. Since the phone's S-ON and its bootloader is locked and not unlocked or relocked I assumed that the latter happened*.
As long as the download mode is working you can restore the system with the help of a RUU. Instructions can be found in the thread I linked in my last post. Be aware that all data on the phone is going to get erased.
* Well, it is possible to get the phone's status back to S-ON and locked with S-OFF but you said you never tinkered with that phone...
Flippy498 said:
Interesting. Your video in post 1 shows a security warning. That means that the OS got deleted. This is only possible if you unlock the bootloader and delete it manually via TWRP or if the EMMC gets broken. Since the phone's S-ON and its bootloader is locked and not unlocked or relocked I assumed that the latter happened*.
As long as the download mode is working you can restore the system with the help of a RUU. Instructions can be found in the thread I linked in my last post. Be aware that all data on the phone is going to get erased.
* Well, it is possible to get the phone's status back to S-ON and locked with S-OFF but you said you never tinkered with that phone...
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Just thought I'd bring to your attention that apps are now being written that will try to obtain root without you knowing. The reason is that they can steal any information they want and sell it to corporations for as little as 4 pence/6c a record.
It is possible that it is a failed root by an app.
"I'm safe, I only download my apps from google playstore" - nope, you're not.
"I only use signed apps and the checksum is always correct" - nope, checksum can be matched with padding.
"I only use external sources to update genuine apps" - nope, see the Google playstore comment above.
"I have all my security and privacy set to super strict, I have my apps verified by google" - nope, still not secure because alerts are only written when the malicious/bad code is found.
Be warned, my fellow xda'ers. There is a whole new breed of security breach and it is terminal to root as a whole. Apps like kingoroot etc are issuing the wrong type of people with the wrong type of information and they are using it for the wrong purposes.
Google will stuggle to put a lid on these types of apps because they attack the hardware for access to software (a simple memory buffer overflow attack), inject a few lines of code and you're in, permanently. It will eventually result in a total lockdown at the manufacturer and bye bye root access, roms, mods etc, you'll get what you're given.
How do we prevent this?. We don't and we can't. We just have to sit back and watch as the world takes our privacy while bricking our devices one by one just to "try" to earn a poxy 4p.
Beamed in by telepathy.
@shivadow: I'm actually not sure what you're trying to achieve with your post. Malicious apps that can root your device without letting the user know about that exist since several years now. (Click here for a random example from 2011) Smartphones aren't completely safe and they never were. Everyone who's claiming the opposite either doesn't know what he/she is talking about or is simply lying.
To name just a few more android security flaws/exploits that emerged in the past: rageagainstthecage, gingerbreak, heartbleed, stagefright, the master key vulnerability, the futex bug, rootnik...
All of these have more or less been used for manipulating android phones. There is no absolute security. Android is still as secure/insecure as it's always been.
In addition, several OEMs are already trying to prevent their customers from rooting their phones since several years. Samsung's KNOX is a perfect example. (I don't want to discuss whether they're successful. That's a whole different topic.)
But let's get back to the deleted OS of the OP's phone: I've never heard about failed root attempts that erase a complete system partition. Therefore, I highly doubt that a malicious app caused all the trouble. Failed root attempts may cause a bootloop but they don't wipe your phone. Just think about the following: How should the dev of such app gain money if the app deletes OSes? Without OS there is no information you can steel and if you have no information you could sell/abuse/whatsoever you don't gain any money. Oh and not to forget that most apps on the play store already collect more than enough data from your phone they can sell afterwards without having to root it.
I meant failed root could be the cause, if the op didn't then who did?. If no-one modded it then dead nand is the only player..
I agree with every thing else but I don't trust those apps that try to gain root in the background to steal data and I think it's too easy for them to bugger your phone just for the sake of making a few coins. Face it, if I was doing it, once I had what I wanted I wouldn't care about the device. Sod the gracious exit and all that jazz.. No evidence, no conviction.
Maybe I'm being ott but my questions and points are still valid.
This is a proper "who dunnit" because I doubt it died of its own accord.
Knox is for businesses btw. If knox is triggered, which is very easy to do, the business is advised not to buy the device as it "may" have been compromised. But if no company secrets are being held on the device then it's still good to use. Knox protection was counteracted by supersu. In a nutshell, unless you run a company knox is of no concern to the everyday user.
Just thought I'd chuck that in there, I'm versed in the arts of the s3 i9300. I moved from that phone to this m9.
Beamed in by telepathy.