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So I am sure I am not the only person who has (or had) a Vibrant. I am sure the development that is being done on the SGS2 is quality, but there isn't much in the way of quantity (which doesn't always mean much). Am I justified at all in worrying about all this? Does everyone feel satisfied with the amount of development going on for what is still a relatively new phone?
I was considering the Galaxy Nexus, just for the faster updates and solidarity (as opposed to having a different CPU than other similar phones), however the SGS2 hardware is tempting.
I am trying to tell myself that with ICS I can hang onto my Vibrant a bit longer to wait for more options and such, but I want a new phone so bad, and right now the only obvious phone I can pick up easily is the GS2. I am just hesitant after the fiasco with the Vibrant. It's also been so long that it seems like I could wait it out just a tiny bit longer and get the next gen stuff.
(I know the argument about how you can always wait longer, but it has been months since the GS2 landed in the US and it will probably be a month before I am ready to buy a new phone with the holiday season upon us)
Unless you are willing to buy a Euro version of the Nexus outright, you'll be waiting atleast several months for it to be released by tmo. Not to mention if it comes spec'd the same as the vzw version, you won't have expandable memory. Cyanogen is actively devving for this phone and once we get ICS, I think it will be very competitive with the GN.
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What about the low resolution of the phone? Can that be addressed by a new ROM or ICS?
No it can't be changed. You can mess with the density to make it look HD but I don't notice anything "low" about our resolution as it is. I love this phone.
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It is by no means low resolution.
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rbenz said:
What about the low resolution of the phone? Can that be addressed by a new ROM or ICS?
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all the HD games tittle you see advertized are for our current resolution 480x800
480x800 has been considered HD for the longest time, for the past 3 years. it is a standard that all game developer codes for
if you read over the Galaxy Nexus forum the 720 resolution is causing havok on a lot of apps and games...
so go figure
on a side note, here some food for thoughts
DVD quality = 480x800
Blueray 1.0 quality = 720x1280
Blueray 2.0 quality = 1280x1080
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I was considering the Galaxy Nexus, just for the faster updates and solidarity (as opposed to having a different CPU than other similar phones), however the SGS2 hardware is tempting.
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read this while you are still considering it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1362556
also there's an existing topic about SGN vs SGS2 T989 right here in the forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1372420
Galaxy nexus will be released in 3 days. I'm also tempted in using buyers remorse for the nexus. The sgs2 hardware is better IMHO. We'll be getting ics. Early 2012 we just gotta wait for a driver leak.
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well in Canada the GN is going to be released tomorrow http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19918706
but i'm not crazy enough to go line up for the first day of launch
specially when i'm not even in the mood to get that bug ridden phone, perhaps when they add microSD and a Quad core SOC to it, i'll probably go for it
To me it came down to cost. I had been waiting to upgrade my vibrant to the nexus prime forever. But word is that the nexus prime will cost $299 with full discount which means not only will I have to pay more per month to switch to verizon (currently paying $50 a month for unlimited with no contract), I would also have to pay more out of pocket for the initial device purchase (Ended up getting my GS2 for $380 new in box still no contract from craigslist)
That finally pushed me to go ahead and get a GS2.
I am still very concerned about ICS support. I also felt like the vibrant got screwed on gingerbread (GPS, bluetooth, and camera still suck on GB roms) so I am extremely worried about how ICS will end up. But I am fairly confident that ICS will eventually be released for the device officially (it will be later than they claim)
Something people overlook is that the Galaxy S2 is THE best selling Android phone of all time. That means that it's going to be the de facto for Android development for some time to come. Developers will want to make apps that run well specifically on this phone. Remember, just because faster, more powerful phones are on the horizon doesn't mean that the GS2 will be obsolete any time soon.
I have no doubt that it will also be an overall better phone than the Nexus once it gets ICS. Yes the 720p display on the Nexus is nice, but unnecessary. It's a 4.65 inch screen, for Pete's sake. If you doubt the GS2 screen, just go to your local t-mobile shop and pick one up. Your doubts will be put to rest.
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Something people overlook is that the Galaxy S2 is THE best selling Android phone of all time. That means that it's going to be the de facto for Android development for some time to come. Developers will want to make apps that run well specifically on this phone. Remember, just because faster, more powerful phones are on the horizon doesn't mean that the GS2 will be obsolete any time soon.
I have no doubt that it will also be an overall better phone than the Nexus once it gets ICS. Yes the 720p display on the Nexus is nice, but unnecessary. It's a 4.65 inch screen, for Pete's sake. If you doubt the GS2 screen, just go to your local t-mobile shop and pick one up. Your doubts will be put to rest.
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I think you mean "THE Galaxy S2", on Tmobile we find ourselves with a significantly different phone yet again. At least this time there is only one on Tmobile. However with different processors on our phones it won't be as simple to translate development over (however being that its a Qualcomm it seems likely that it will be pretty simple all the same, but I have no idea).
My point was it doesn't matter what carrier you are on or what country you are in if I get a GSM GN (possibly excluding VZW).
I know that people here are going to probably defend the SGS2 because that's what they have, but no one has really answered my question and instead commented on my thoughts.
There doesn't seem to be a LOT of development (I have the assumption based on the opinions that what is there is high quality though).
Furthermore, I am not on contract, so I get no discounts on phones, making the GN only about 100 bucks more than the SGS2.
Pointing out the GN flaws is a good call, I haven't been keeping up with that and mostly watching this forum as, like I mentioned, the appeal that I can walk on down to the store and get one makes it a possible buy.
The SD card is something I would prefer, but I don't need. I was prepared to go down to 16gb but hoping for a 32gb.
The major appeal is how many people are still happy with their Nexus S. The Nexus phones just have a longer life span because they come out about once a year and Google supports them.
Some other phones get a similar treatment, but it seems to be a higher risk. Samsung has already mentioned they are working on the SGS3, meaning SGS3 updates will come even slower (I presume though that there is probably still AT LEAST most of a year before we start to see them). I just like the idea of carrying around a little Google baby.
And I am not saying anything bad about the SGS2, I am just skeptical after the whole Vibrant thing (or the SGS in general since as far as I heard GB isn't on most devices, and those that got it got it way late). The hardware looks amazing, and honestly I like the idea of the captive buttons vs only virtual buttons (I like my menu button tyvm). If CM9 is out and I haven't upgraded I will probably go for the SGS2 and put CM9 on it right away, but otherwise I will be worried about the software. Seems like it took a little hollering to get CM support (I could be misunderstanding that thread), so what happens with CM10+? I suppose there will be developers who will porting stuff over, probably.
So that's that. I figure most of this post is futile any way as it seems people get a little defensive about their choices and get upset when you make counter points. I suppose that is somewhat helpful though as it does still compare things, just one sided.
I will end up probably reading one thing online somewhere that will randomly cause me to make up my mind and then just be blissfully ignorant of what I am missing. So oh wells. Thanks for the input so far guys.
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I think you mean "THE Galaxy S2", on Tmobile we find ourselves with a significantly different phone yet again. At least this time there is only one on Tmobile. However with different processors on our phones it won't be as simple to translate development over (however being that its a Qualcomm it seems likely that it will be pretty simple all the same, but I have no idea).
My point was it doesn't matter what carrier you are on or what country you are in if I get a GSM GN (possibly excluding VZW).
I know that people here are going to probably defend the SGS2 because that's what they have, but no one has really answered my question and instead commented on my thoughts.
There doesn't seem to be a LOT of development (I have the assumption based on the opinions that what is there is high quality though).
Furthermore, I am not on contract, so I get no discounts on phones, making the GN only about 100 bucks more than the SGS2.
Pointing out the GN flaws is a good call, I haven't been keeping up with that and mostly watching this forum as, like I mentioned, the appeal that I can walk on down to the store and get one makes it a possible buy.
The SD card is something I would prefer, but I don't need. I was prepared to go down to 16gb but hoping for a 32gb.
The major appeal is how many people are still happy with their Nexus S. The Nexus phones just have a longer life span because they come out about once a year and Google supports them.
Some other phones get a similar treatment, but it seems to be a higher risk. Samsung has already mentioned they are working on the SGS3, meaning SGS3 updates will come even slower (I presume though that there is probably still AT LEAST most of a year before we start to see them). I just like the idea of carrying around a little Google baby.
And I am not saying anything bad about the SGS2, I am just skeptical after the whole Vibrant thing (or the SGS in general since as far as I heard GB isn't on most devices, and those that got it got it way late). The hardware looks amazing, and honestly I like the idea of the captive buttons vs only virtual buttons (I like my menu button tyvm). If CM9 is out and I haven't upgraded I will probably go for the SGS2 and put CM9 on it right away, but otherwise I will be worried about the software. Seems like it took a little hollering to get CM support (I could be misunderstanding that thread), so what happens with CM10+? I suppose there will be developers who will porting stuff over, probably.
So that's that. I figure most of this post is futile any way as it seems people get a little defensive about their choices and get upset when you make counter points. I suppose that is somewhat helpful though as it does still compare things, just one sided.
I will end up probably reading one thing online somewhere that will randomly cause me to make up my mind and then just be blissfully ignorant of what I am missing. So oh wells. Thanks for the input so far guys.
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I realize the hardware is different among the different carrier GS2's. What I was referring to is the overall specifications (dual core processor ~ 1.2-1.5 ghz, 1gig of ram, etc.) when I mentioned the developer support.
In regards to your concern about the screen, I can only tell you that I did a lot of shopping around, testing out different phones and the GS2 screen does not disappoint. IMO, it is overall better than the ones found in the Razr and Rezound, which both offer higher resolutions, so keep in mind that resolution isn't everything.
At this point just wait a couple days until the Nexus is out and give it a hands on. Until you have the device in your hand, you can't really tell how it's going to taste to you. I was infatuated with the Motorola Razr until I actually held one in my hand and hated just about everything about it. The super-thin profile felt terrible in my hands, the noticeable pixels on the screen were distracting, it got way too hot to hold up to my ear, other than the speakers and software (I actually like Moto-blur), it was a complete failure to me. So you never know until you try it.
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I realize the hardware is different among the different carrier GS2's. What I was referring to is the overall specifications (dual core processor ~ 1.2-1.5 ghz, 1gig of ram, etc.) when I mentioned the developer support.
In regards to your concern about the screen, I can only tell you that I did a lot of shopping around, testing out different phones and the GS2 screen does not disappoint. IMO, it is overall better than the ones found in the Razr and Rezound, which both offer higher resolutions, so keep in mind that resolution isn't everything.
At this point just wait a couple days until the Nexus is out and give it a hands on. Until you have the device in your hand, you can't really tell how it's going to taste to you. I was infatuated with the Motorola Razr until I actually held one in my hand and hated just about everything about it. The super-thin profile felt terrible in my hands, the noticeable pixels on the screen were distracting, it got way too hot to hold up to my ear, other than the speakers and software (I actually like Moto-blur), it was a complete failure to me. So you never know until you try it.
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Thanks, but someone else mentioned the screen, not me. I am not worried about the screen, it would have the same resolution as my current phone so I wouldn't know the difference.
Any way, you may have understood this but it was ambiguous: Yes I know the hardware specs are nice (I believe I stated that they were potentially better) but more people would have the exact same GN as opposed to people with the exact same SGS2. It might not matter though, I have no developing experience (I considered it, but I barely passed my Java course 6 years ago) so I might be wrong in thinking that it will be hard to work with stuff for the international one and put it on the tmobile version. I mean it might be simple if it's just drivers since qualcomm drivers would not be hard to find.
Furthermore, I am already being spoiled with ICS and just want it now.
The thing is, the reason I ask here instead of in the GN forum is that I really want to want the SGS2 (well, and people here have looked as the GN where as people there might have never looked at -specifically- the tmobile sgs2). I am actually likely to walk into a tmobile store and walk out with a phone over the winter break, and I don't think I would be able to help myself if there was a stable ICS rom by then.
BUT the fact that Nexuses last so long makes me wonder if I will be whimpering about how I could have got one and didn't, then again the next nexus will be starting to solidify by then.
Regarding the CM10 bit...
The good news is that once a Device is officially in a previous generation of CM, for example all devices on CM6 are automatically included in CM7 and when CM9 is out, all the CM7 devices will get CM9
so in a way, it's a better guaranteed than stock ICS from Google which only goes as far back as 1 year of support, even the Nexus ONE got removed from Google's support list, in the end the Dev had to make their own PORT / build of ICS for Nexus One, as the regular ICS is not hardware compatible according to Google.
so if our device gets supported officially in CM7 and CM9, it will automatically be included in CM10
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Regarding the CM10 bit...
The good news is that once a Device is officially in a previous generation of CM, for example all devices on CM6 are automatically included in CM7 and when CM9 is out, all the CM7 devices will get CM9
so in a way, it's a better guaranteed than stock ICS from Google which only goes as far back as 1 year of support, even the Nexus ONE got removed from Google's support list, in the end the Dev had to make their own PORT / build of ICS for Nexus One, as the regular ICS is not hardware compatible according to Google.
so if our device gets supported officially in CM7 and CM9, it will automatically be included in CM10
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Then how come my G1 is only unofficially supported in cm7? They can stop supporting something, they might not, but they can. And if they just stop using a device, they aren't going to be able to continue working on it. For instance I heard rumor that the Vibrant will no longer be officially supported, and it only got 7/7.1...
What they say is as long as they support it they will continue to do what they can, but they do drop support on phones as they have to over time.
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https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
As device screen resolution goes up, achieving a 60fps UI is closely related to GPU speed and especially the GPU’s memory bus bandwidth. In fact, if you want to get an idea of the performance of a piece of hardware, always pay close attention to the memory bus bandwidth. There are plenty of times where the CPU (especially with those wonderful NEON instructions) can go a lot faster than the memory bus.
in that scenario i see more benefit to have 800x480 than the newer higher resolutions
i can understand your feeling completely
It would seem like everybody is either dodging or are too wrapped around the Euro-GS2 to answer your question...i myself have been wondering if there is going to be more custom roms, kernels & etc...i've heard that team whiskey & CM should be cooking roms real soon for the t-mobile galaxy s2. I do believe all this waiting is related to the qualcomm chip in the phone versus the exynos processor in all the other gs2 variants...I just hope this isn't gonna be like theyre doing just bc they don't wanna leave the t-mobile one out of development...but if you do test out the galaxy nexus and like it then go with it, one thing is true about those nexus phones, they are always the first to get those updates...it really comes down to what you want to do, wait a little bit for more roms or etc.
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Then how come my G1 is only unofficially supported in cm7? They can stop supporting something, they might not, but they can. And if they just stop using a device, they aren't going to be able to continue working on it. For instance I heard rumor that the Vibrant will no longer be officially supported, and it only got 7/7.1...
What they say is as long as they support it they will continue to do what they can, but they do drop support on phones as they have to over time.
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You have reservations strong enough that I would say dont get the SGSII, you wont be fully happy. Based on what you said, you should buy the unlocked galaxy nexus they are selling now ($800), or wait for the verizon version. You may regret not getting the SGSII, but I would hardly think that the Nexus would be significantly worse. If anything you would just regret paying more for a similar phone.
agree re: getting SGN instead of SGS2
specially when the OP did mention the lack of SD card is not a biggie
for me the lack of SD card was a major deal breaker, so the T989 was my only choice of good phone for AWS 1700+2100 networks
I really think Google needs to do a HUGE investment into the Development and QA department for Android. Android is huge and requires more attention then they are giving it. Google really needs to get more hands on Android and better testing so less buggy software gets out of the gate.
I have owned all of the Nexus phones and they are always pretty buggy until a few updates later.
I currently have to deal with slow screen rotation, multi-touch issues, laggy landscape keyboard response and crashes, SMS text bugs, Wifi bugs to name a few. How in the hell did the slow screen rotation and laggy landscape response go unnoticed is beyond me. I noticed it the first day i got the phone.
The NEXUS brand should come to an end, its essentially just like buying an iphone…….you pay extra for it, and its no better than anything else out there, or less than anything else out there.
The problem is Nexus is no longer a developer phone. Its now a brand. I knew i was not getting this nexus because sammy had there hands on it.
are you on 4.0.1?, 4.0.2? 4.0.3?
is your phone rooted?
are you running the GSM version or the CDMA version of the galaxy nexus?
is it stock android O.S.?
I don't have any of those issues on mine....
I'm running stock 4.0.2, getting software updates firectly from Google not samsung.
Everyone says the only reason you should buy Nexus phones is because they are so much better than other manufacturers phones. I'm not talking about rooting and such, because you can do that too with other phones and it would be the same.
It’s not just about timely updates. Even the 4.0.3 source code has bugs. This means that all these devices based off 4.0.3 can (and might) have the bugs as well. Then, you have to wait for Google to update the source and maybe just maybe your manufacturer of choice will update your phone before moving onto something else.
Well don't buy a Nexus device again. Then you don't have to worry about those problems, and the people who love the Nexus phone can continue to love it whilst you love your Droid Epic Galaxy 4G Super Touch Plus thing that you buy.
Thats the good thing about Android, you have choice. Your opinion doesn't mean anything, Google aren't going to do anything about it. Find a phone that you like and use it.
Also, have you ever used another Android phone other then the Nexus? Carrier bloat and skins make me shudder.
I disagree with the paying extra. It's essentially like buying any other phone whereas, the iPhone would be $100-$300 more than other phones depending on the sku. I have no complaints with my Nexus but I'm not trying to argue with your dissatisfaction or defend the brand, I just don't see the paying extra part which obviously varies from country to country.
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mines never been laggy works really great
Okay, I am happy to see that your works well, but please consider this: i'm talking about pure stock, no mods, nothing.
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I'm running stock 4.0.2, getting software updates firectly from Google not samsung.
Everyone says the only reason you should buy Nexus phones is because they are so much better than other manufacturers phones. I'm not talking about rooting and such, because you can do that too with other phones and it would be the same.
It’s not just about timely updates. Even the 4.0.3 source code has bugs. This means that all these devices based off 4.0.3 can (and might) have the bugs as well. Then, you have to wait for Google to update the source and maybe just maybe your manufacturer of choice will update your phone before moving onto something else.
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Rooting is one thing, but we like the nexus because of its bootloader and lack of bloat. Let's face it, iphone is easy mode, android(nexus) is expert mode.
Easy mode is... well.. easy. It is easy to master but gets stale incredibly fast and is lacking in features. Expert mode you have to read a couple forums, do a little tweaking, but in the end you get a pro longed satisfying experience that is rich in features and really let's you become... a superuser.
Ps rotation delay is a feature, just tap the screen for it to rotate faster.
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Well don't buy a Nexus device again. Then you don't have to worry about those problems, and the people who love the Nexus phone can continue to love it whilst you love your Droid Epic Galaxy 4G Super Touch Plus thing that you buy.
Thats the good thing about Android, you have choice. Your opinion doesn't mean anything, Google aren't going to do anything about it. Find a phone that you like and use it.
Also, have you ever used another Android phone other then the Nexus? Carrier bloat and skins make me shudder.
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I wanna try out the Droid Epic Galaxy 4G Super Touch Plus.
Just for a little input, the rotation "Lag" that you talk about is supposed to be there. People were complaining that there phone would rotate to easily so they made lag so that just tilting your phone for a second wouldn't rotate it you had to actually want to rotate it. Takes an extra second, if that.
Also, ICS was released, you knew that when you bought the phone, you expect a completely clean product the second it comes out? Look at Apple with there battery bug, no OS comes out without it's fare share of bugs, Android is no different.
Also also, why cancel an entire line of phones because you have one mad customer? You don't.
Finally, Google picks a different handset maker every year to make their "Nexus" phone, just because "sammy" made it doesn't take away from the fact that it's a Nexus. Go buy a Razr with Motoblur and enjoy having a "Bug free enviroment" on an OS that is over a year old.
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Okay, I am happy to see that your works well, but please consider this: i'm talking about pure stock, no mods, nothing.
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OK fair enough but its pretty much an unspoken rule that you have to flash the **** out of a nexus phone. Unlocked bootloader and all that. Aosp etc.
Not being smart but you don't buy a formula one car to bring the kids to school.
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Okay, I am happy to see that your works well, but please consider this: i'm talking about pure stock, no mods, nothing.
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We considered that, and nobody cares. Thats the way the phone is, stop complaining about it and do something about it. We aren't you brain, do some thinking for yourself.
Root your phone if you want to fix the issues, or wait for Google to issue an update.
Nexus phones have historically been far cheaper than average. N1 and nexus s both sold for $529 from day 1. Only the Gnex broke this tradition.
Typical phone launches higher than $600.
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I wanna try out the Droid Epic Galaxy 4G Super Touch Plus.
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Na man, it's terrible. It's running this MotoTouchSenseWizBlur software. It's the worst skin out of the lot!
lol what kind of topic is this? nexus brand should to an end pfff
sorry to all hear you have all those bugs, im glad AOKP is smoother than ever on my nex
For reference, my last phone was a Palm Centro. Lasted 5+ years, bugs and all. I also work in the computer hardware industry, so while I am new to the current smartphone format and OS, I am versed in technology.
If you wanted something that was already polished out of the box, that's where the other Android and iPhone comes in. Works well out of the box depending on the model. If you want a 'pure' Android experience, the G. Nexus is the appealing one. I think in this case 'pure' is a bad word choice, as it denotes only good. However, it is both good and bad. In the 3 months I've owned the phone. I've def. thought to myself "****! I've got to fix this again!" AND "holy crap! this is way cooler than iOS!" It sucks that you have to extensively play with the phone, but once you do, the opportunities are much more appealing.
TL; DR: Don't buy something like a Nexus if you don't want to transform it to it's full potential.
Why are people still on stock on the Nexus....its a NEXUS!!
ITS A DEV PHONE!!!
you are SUPPOSED to hack it!!!
don't complain if stock doesn't have all that you want..
btw...i was on stock for 2 days...no bugs.
Ived owned two nexus phones and theyve been the best phones I have ever owned. Sometimes they do lack the performance other Androids have but the support/development for this phone is the best IMO.
Can we stop making these useless threads about how "Google is ignoring us", cause I can guarantee you they are probably working their asses off trying to get the next update to us before I/O.
Hey guys, i just order a pair of GNs for myself and so, though im now having buyers remorse.
I love the look of the nexus, though i just feel as i mad a bad decision and should of gone with the Note, S2, htc one S, or even the X.
for one, it will most likely have the best deveolper support and nothing rivals vanilla ics
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That is to bad I am having Buyers Rejoice. Never had such a great phone. Let alone the best phone on the market.
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Well, do you take so many calls you need two phones?
I'd feel remorse too in that case
adrynalyne said:
Well, do you take so many calls you need two phones?
I'd feel remorse too in that case
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Haha no, so = significant other (fiance)
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Haha no, so = significant other (fiance)
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Oh well, in that case, no.
My wife loves hers.
That said there is always remorse in buying a 5 month old device. It is a dinosaur in tech terms; even if the software is cutting edge.
I would say take it back and get the phone you want.
The GN is a great device. The developer support is great if you wish to try all kinds of amazing ROMS. But even if you don't, the GN is a great stock. I love not having to hack my device to remove all the bloat. Just stock ICS. But as someone else said, its about 5 months old. Something to remember. Devices will always come out. But I am not sure if I would buy it today. Not with the HTC One X out (import). And the Galaxy S 3 is more than likely going to be a device worth upgrading for. In short, its up to you.
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I came from the sgs2 and I can honestly say this phone is far superior. I havent tried the one s yet so I cant speak for that.
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I for one came from the MyTouch 4G slide, and couldn't he happier.
The developer support on that phone is pretty much dead, and I actually got used to have no physical keyboard really fast.
This phone is fast, gorgeous, and its so relieving not having to worry about crap like Sense, or Blur from my previous phone the Motorola Cliq.
Sense 4.0 looks nice, but vanilla ICS is so much more beautiful without the extra bloat.
As for the hardware, I want a phone that can do everything a phone should, with a bit of extra fun, and this does just that.
Running games at ~50FPS is great, I don't see why I need a quad core phone to have them run at ~60FPS, at the risk of more battery consumption for little significant gain. There is no future proofing since a year down the line you will switch again; and by that time, your phone will still be just as powerful.
Hell, the G1 is still a great phone if you use it as one.
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Hey guys, i just order a pair of GNs for myself and so, though im now having buyers remorse.
I love the look of the nexus, though i just feel as i mad a bad decision and should of gone with the Note, S2, htc one S, or even the X.
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sounds like you dont know what you want and will probably feel the same with any of those phones.
Early May could very well be the announcement of the Galaxy S XXX super duper HD and I'd still not care. If it's not a GSM Nexus, it's not for me, because of the myriad of reasons already covered in this forum.
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Spec wise, the HTC One X kinda beats the Nexus but isn't as fast in real use because of Sense 4.0. The only phone to beat the Nexus will be the Galaxy S3, but that usually will become the basis for the next Nexus anyway, so you just have to choose which cycle to get on, the Nexus Cycle or the Galaxy S Cycle. Stock Google and latest Firmware make the Nexus Cycle a no-brainer. I just hope you got a deal on the Nexus(s) because they are dirt cheap now (~$450)
I enjoy AOSP and the ease of modding with this device. Sure there might be other devices coming out w/ newer tech, but I don't think I can stand skins anymore. Even de-sensed and de-blurred don't cut it anymore.
I always get buyers remorse so can't really help you there. All I can say is that I wish i'd waited for SGS3 because if it's anything like the SGS2, which blows the nexus out of the water in every way but the screen, then I will be having a very very bad case of buyers remorse on 3rd May lol.
As for helping with your buyers remorse, if you like the look and feel of the phone, and can live with some minor flaws like the odd bit of lag, you will be ok with this phone.
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Spec wise, the HTC One X kinda beats the Nexus but isn't as fast in real use because of Sense 4.0. The only phone to beat the Nexus will be the Galaxy S3, but that usually will become the basis for the next Nexus anyway, so you just have to choose which cycle to get on, the Nexus Cycle or the Galaxy S Cycle. Stock Google and latest Firmware make the Nexus Cycle a no-brainer. I just hope you got a deal on the Nexus(s) because they are dirt cheap now (~$450)
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$429 NIB + 2 years warranty shipped(each), so it was a pretty good deal.
I like what you're saying and i think that will be my plan of attack and just upgrade every nexus release, even if i had waited for the GS3 i wouldn't of been able to pick 2 of them up, I'm guessing they are going to be $800-$900.
Well thanks guys i feel a little better, im using a desire Z at the moment so it should be a big leap.
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$429 NIB + 2 years warranty shipped(each), so it was a pretty good deal.
I like what you're saying and i think that will be my plan of attack and just upgrade every nexus release, even if i had waited for the GS3 i wouldn't of been able to pick 2 of them up, I'm guessing they are going to be $800-$900.
Well thanks guys i feel a little better, im using a desire Z at the moment so it should be a big leap.
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I don't think you'll have remorse. You're getting a great package, great price and updating to 4.0.4 will be awesome. And if you're a tinkerer it can only get better. Just think, a lot of us paid over $700 and don't regret it at all, even with the small problems we've had. And if you're already on xda, free tech support. Notice I said tech support and not noob support.
bow chicka wow wow.
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Spec wise, the HTC One X kinda beats the Nexus but isn't as fast in real use because of Sense 4.0.
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+1. I've had the Desire and Desire HD before getting the GN and I must say every phone I've come across with Sense on it has been so poorly coded that it's had FPS issues just swiping from homescreen to homescreen.
The HTC One without Sense will best the GN hands down when stripped of Sense but I can't help but think (despite not having used one) that it will still struggle to run at a fluid ~59fps with Sense on it.
The Galaxy Nexus like all Nexus phones is a reference phone, Android as Google intended without all the extra manufacturers add to it (ie Sense, Touchwiz, Motoblur, etc.) which some people may actually like. If you like Sense then a HTC One might be the way to go for you.
My biggest thing with Android phones is developer support. I personally am coming from a HTC Thunderbolt, which at the time was great, a ton of developers, ROMS, MODS....life was nice. Then, the Nexus came out, and within a month about 75% of the developers had jumped ship, updates were slow, and it just wasn't fun anymore.
So that said here is my list of things I look for when buying a new phone
1. Good Developer Support (Pretty much guaranteed for Nexus phones)
2. Style, Build, and Accessories (I would say HTC usually takes this, but Sammy is catching up)
3. Newness of Technology (You don't want a phone that is still using 2 year old tech. However, the newest tech is not the best bet either, since this creates issues with developers being able to take advantage of the latest and greatest in their ROMS. The thunderbolt was a perfect example, it was the first with 4G LTE, which was a nightmare for developers to get the ROMS working right. Till this day CM7 is still not an official build on the Thunderbolt.
4. Resale Value - Lets be honest you do not have an Apple Device which gets good resale prices due to its limited lineup. However, Nexus phones often keep better resale then their counterparts just due to the fact it is a Nexus phone. I usually trade up every year, sell the old one with its accessories for about 300 and use it to buy the next one. This allows you to get the latest and greatest every year, for about the same price of an upgrade or cheaper.
I'd buy the GN in a heartbeat at prices now... ~$440 unlocked.
This device feels way more solid than the Galaxy S2 that my SO has.
who would rather not hear about a phone months before it might be available on my carrier of choice.
I'd like more focus on what's available now, how to fine tune it and get more life out of it than knowing a company is spending tons of money baiting us with what might one day be. Frankly I get really annoyed when that next best phone doesn't show up on my carrier.
I'd much prefer waking up one morning and bam newer, better phone from Samsung without even knowing it was coming.
I personally think it's one of the reasons many of us (me, me, me) struggle to hang onto a device for any length of time and, of course, that's likely why they do what they do. Get us lusting for the next, best, greatest thing ever so that by the time it's finally out we're ravenous to have it. Only for me, it totally backfired with the Nexus. When it was first announced I was gonna be first in line to buy it, but by now, meh I'll wait and see what's next.
Just a rambling thought.
My buddy got the VW Nexus and is taking it back for the razr maxx. He has had one problem after another, like the phone crashes and goes a boot loop if you turn on wifi.
The screen isn't really bigger thanks to the on screen buttons, my phone has more useful area. Its not worth it IMO, especially since I'm running ICS already on this...
I feel ya. Sprint got me with the evo, I bought the hero thirty two days before. When the galaxy 2 came out I didn't hesitate waiting for the nexus.
Ima pass on the galaxy 3, cause three months later a better phone will come to sprint with all the LTE bugs fixed.
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It's just a phone to me. I don't even care about what new ones are coming out because it seems way too expensive to be updating every few months. I can't justify spending that much money that often on a phone.
I stuck with my old phone for two years and can easily live with this phone for two years.
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I prefer the phones just show up on my doorstep when available.
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I prefer the phones just show up on my doorstep when available.
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Sfhub, are you keeping your Epic Touch for a while?
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I don't mind hearing about the new phones. I've come to an understanding that I will always have the coolest, greatest, best-est thing for 3 months, and then it gets replaced by something better.
The thing to remember is that the hardware doesn't get "old" it's that the software gets "newer". It's the same story with computers. You could have a Pentium computer, running Windows 3.1 and Word 5.0 and it will work like a charm. It's when you decide to try to put Windows 7 on that computer that the hardware fails you.
Our phones are the same. Take all the apps out now that work like a charm with your phone, install them, work with them and your phone should work just as well now as it will in 2 years. It's the fact that new apps come out that demand more from the processor, use the better camera, take advantage of better sound, and now your phone has"aged"
This is just the way the tech industry is. Hence why Moore's law is still in effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law
Just my 2 cents
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Sfhub, are you keeping your Epic Touch for a while?
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Most likely.
Personally I would much rather know when a new phone is coming so I don't buy a phone a month or 2 before a better phone comes out. And I disagree that a better phone comes out every three months. The GSII came out like a year ago ( and almost a year ago in the US) and its still arguably the best phone out there. The Nexus doesn't have as good as hardware and personally I cannot understand why anyone would downgrade from a SGII to a Nexus, that's beyond me...The Note has a bigger screen and even though I woud like to have one its not worth it with the SGIII almost here. As for the HTC One X it probably is a little better than the SGII but honestly not by much. I think its crazy that HTC's new flagship phone has just about the exact same specs as Samsung's year old phone. What were they thinking (and I like HTC phones but the SGIII will blow it out of the water). So in conclusion if your phone is outdated in 3 months you either bought the phone late after it came out or you bought a crappy phone.
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Im upgrading to the Tmobile g1
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So Jelly ...
Personally I would much rather know when a new phone is coming so I don't buy a phone a month or 2 before a better phone comes out. And I disagree that a better phone comes out every three months. The GSII came out like a year ago ( and almost a year ago in the US) and its still arguably the best phone out there. The Nexus doesn't have as good as hardware and personally I cannot understand why anyone would downgrade from a SGII to a Nexus, that's beyond me...The Note has a bigger screen and even though I woud like to have one its not worth it with the SGIII almost here. As for the HTC One X it probably is a little better than the SGII but honestly not by much. I think its crazy that HTC's new flagship phone has just about the exact same specs as Samsung's year old phone. What were they thinking (and I like HTC phones but the SGIII will blow it out of the water). So in conclusion if your phone is outdated in 3 months you either bought the phone late after it came out or you bought a crappy phone.
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Personally I would much rather know when a new phone is coming so I don't buy a phone a month or 2 before a better phone comes out. And I disagree that a better phone comes out every three months. The GSII came out like a year ago ( and almost a year ago in the US) and its still arguably the best phone out there. The Nexus doesn't have as good as hardware and personally I cannot understand why anyone would downgrade from a SGII to a Nexus, that's beyond me...The Note has a bigger screen and even though I woud like to have one its not worth it with the SGIII almost here. As for the HTC One X it probably is a little better than the SGII but honestly not by much. I think its crazy that HTC's new flagship phone has just about the exact same specs as Samsung's year old phone. What were they thinking (and I like HTC phones but the SGIII will blow it out of the water). So in conclusion if your phone is outdated in 3 months you either bought the phone late after it came out or you bought a crappy phone.
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But see that's part of what I'm talking about. I too am waiting for the SGSIII but we have no idea if it will even make it to Sprint.
I've never waited an entire 2yrs or 22months whatever the limit is to upgrade a phone. I've bought several of mine at full price because I do like shiny new gadgets but only if they are an actual upgrade. For example, I was peeved at wasting an early upgrade on the stupid Evo 3D thinking it was an upgrade from the OG Evo, in my opinion it wasn't and I couldn't wait to drop that stupid phone when the E4GT came out.
Now that I'm getting more comfortable with flashing custom ROMs and themes I can see myself hanging onto my phone for longer than I normally would, heck I've already had it for almost 8 months which is a record for me.
If the SGSIII comes out and Sprint gets it (or a good variation of it) then I'll be all over that, I just hate the months and months of speculation that, for us, usually amounts to jack squat.
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But see that's part of what I'm talking about. I too am waiting for the SGSIII but we have no idea if it will even make it to Sprint.
I've never waited an entire 2yrs or 22months whatever the limit is to upgrade a phone. I've bought several of mine at full price because I do like shiny new gadgets but only if they are an actual upgrade. For example, I was peeved at wasting an early upgrade on the stupid Evo 3D thinking it was an upgrade from the OG Evo, in my opinion it wasn't and I couldn't wait to drop that stupid phone when the E4GT came out.
Now that I'm getting more comfortable with flashing custom ROMs and themes I can see myself hanging onto my phone for longer than I normally would, heck I've already had it for almost 8 months which is a record for me.
If the SGSIII comes out and Sprint gets it (or a good variation of it) then I'll be all over that, I just hate the months and months of speculation that, for us, usually amounts to jack squat.
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I have heard (might be or not be true) from several sources not only will sprint get it but will also get it first in the US. I love changing phones often as well and have been contemplating switching to Att pay as you go or Straighttalk pay as you go. Its only 50 a month for unlimited everything and you can just buy international unlocked phones. Also Att and straittalk(they use Att towers) have faster data speeds. Plus international phones are always release first.
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I have heard (might be or not be true) from several sources not only will sprint get it but will also get it first in the US. I love changing phones often as well and have been contemplating switching to Att pay as you go or Straighttalk pay as you go. Its only 50 a month for unlimited everything and you can just buy international unlocked phones. Also Att and straittalk(they use Att towers) have faster data speeds. Plus international phones are always release first.
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+1 Tried to talk my wife into straight talk myself.. As long as you don't go over 2gb of data you should be good. I must admit it's still tempting.. sell the Epic and get a new GSM nexus for $399
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+1 Tried to talk my wife into straight talk myself.. As long as you don't go over 2gb of data you should be good. I must admit it's still tempting.. sell the Epic and get a new GSM nexus for $399
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Why the heck would you do that Nexus is a downgrade...Just wait for GS3 and if you can't wait grab the HTC One X for only $150 more than the Nexus, then just sell it for a SG3 if you like more. And Straight talk seems good but was leaning towards Att Go phone $50 plan, you get unlimited EVERYTHING, you just have to activate it in a dumb phone like a motarola Razr and switch the Sim card. I know it sounds to good to be true but ive done research and others on XDA say it works.
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Personally I would much rather know when a new phone is coming so I don't buy a phone a month or 2 before a better phone comes out. And I disagree that a better phone comes out every three months. The GSII came out like a year ago ( and almost a year ago in the US) and its still arguably the best phone out there. The Nexus doesn't have as good as hardware and personally I cannot understand why anyone would downgrade from a SGII to a Nexus, that's beyond me...The Note has a bigger screen and even though I woud like to have one its not worth it with the SGIII almost here. As for the HTC One X it probably is a little better than the SGII but honestly not by much. I think its crazy that HTC's new flagship phone has just about the exact same specs as Samsung's year old phone. What were they thinking (and I like HTC phones but the SGIII will blow it out of the water). So in conclusion if your phone is outdated in 3 months you either bought the phone late after it came out or you bought a crappy phone.
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Agreed with everything you said 100%
So, for the past while now I have been looking for a replacement phone for my G2 (which sadly now has a broken screen, I have been using screencast to operate the phone for weeks now. However I can still answer the phone normally when called without the need for a computer system thanks to easy memory.)
Since my upgrade is already available I do not know if I should try to get the GSIII or the LG Nexus 4 (god willing if it actually comes to T-Mobile). I want a phone that will last the time needed for me between now and my next upgrade in 2 years. (I am not fortunate enough to buy off contract, if I did this would be entirely irrelevant.) While the GSIII offers the popular end and will probably get the best AOSP for a damn good long time, I also find a great appeal over the LG Nexus 4 being able to get stock updates on the fly upon release, while I would still consider AOSP for the Nexus 4 because of the added options as well.
Basically it comes down between the two and what is the best choice when it comes right down to quality + support + longevity over the next 2 years. I know a lot can happen within that timeframe, but I do not want to be forgotten so soon like I was with the G2. Plus I want to be able to have an absolutely wonderful experience with customization with little limitations.
I know its foolish to consider the Nexus 4 considering that its not officially out yet nor do we know it will be offered by T-Mobile US. I also know that even with a top of the line phone there will always be something better around the corner that will topple mine. Finally I know that the focus of the AOSP community will shift on to other projects while whichever one I choose now will not remain the prime focus forever.
I just want a phone that will get me as far as I can between my 2 year cycle. Growing with a "pure" experience with the G2, soon followed by AOSP and after that AOKP. I want to be able to get the same (or hopefully, MUCH BETTER) experience out of that, I have no problem rooting (hell I remember the days when the G2 was damn near "impossible" to root) and if anything I would probably end up rooting my phone as soon as I get it in my hands.
The only limitations right now between these two and me is my patience, and the luck that the Nx4 will come out on T-Mobile. Again, with my current situation with my G2 I do not have much time left to decide. I have been waiting long enough and with most of the information we have on both of these devices that I am looking at I think it can be time to consider which one I rather get.
So which one should I consider getting? Should I try waiting out longer for the Nexus 4 or should I go for the GSIII now?
I'll read fully next time. But for now no, LG has the worst reputation in tge cell phone industry if you ask me and alot of other LG users.
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I seriously never get it whats the point of asking some strangers what phone should i get lol...it is widely known that lg sucks sony sucks htc is good but not dev friendly so the only choice left for me would be sammy
The nexus 4 won't even come to T-Mobile. There, problem solved.
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I still have a working g2. Loving the sgs3
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I never buy on contract. I also never buy a new phone. I bought a slightly used SGS3 for $350 on craigslist. A year from now, I'll sell it for $200 and buy the SGS4 (or whatever I'm interested in at the time). Saves a lot over the life of the phone. $20/month cheaper for the plan, $240/year savings, and I'm only putting out $150 for a phone every year. So I get a new slightly used phone every year and still save money.
Look for a decent SGS3 on craigslist and buy it.
While I am aware that the history with LG has been mixed (and shall I say down right horrible with T-Mobile) The most of the issues resided over software and not hardware. Plus since the LG nexus 4 is a nexus device it should be obvious that it will be Google handling the updates, not LG nor T-Mobile.
That said I have done some personal analysis on both and came to the conclusion that while the LG Nexus 4 does seem attractive in both what is on board and the software distribution, the GSIII will probably have the higher end of LTS for some time. Even if the GSIV would to come out sometime next year the GSIII would still get popular support regardless due to the many people who own one and are locked with one until their contract is up. Plus The GSIII has no signs of slowing down even with the Note II on the rise. If another nexus handset would come out the LTS for it would be a gamble depending if people will take to the Nexus 4 with open arms compared to the previous devices. Not only that but even in accessory appeal as well the GSIII outdoes the Nexus brand as a whole.
I was considering the Nexus 4 because of its Quadcore processor and pure google experience on the fly. Even with all that updated more so than the SIII, however the SIII will win in the end with better support thanks to its incredibly large community.
I think I will go for the GSIII now! Tell me, before this thread becomes entirely useless can someone tell me which best route I should go when I get this? I am not one for skinned UI, I can get used to it but I prefer to not deal with bloat and lag when I can get the most out of this device.
Nexus won't have bloat, but there is no lag in the s3 with stock.
I was in the exact same position, minus the broken screen, and I decided to pick up the galaxy s 3 for now and see what the new nexus has to offer when it gets here. I figure I can sell the gs3 pretty easily if I really want the nexus, and if not, I still have a great phone.
I can only tell you that I'm extremely happy with my gs3 but I continue to keep an eye on nexus rumors.
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I should not I am running cyanogen because I couldn't stand touchwiz.
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While I am aware that the history with LG has been mixed (and shall I say down right horrible with T-Mobile) The most of the issues resided over software and not hardware. Plus since the LG nexus 4 is a nexus device it should be obvious that it will be Google handling the updates, not LG nor T-Mobile.
That said I have done some personal analysis on both and came to the conclusion that while the LG Nexus 4 does seem attractive in both what is on board and the software distribution, the GSIII will probably have the higher end of LTS for some time. Even if the GSIV would to come out sometime next year the GSIII would still get popular support regardless due to the many people who own one and are locked with one until their contract is up. Plus The GSIII has no signs of slowing down even with the Note II on the rise. If another nexus handset would come out the LTS for it would be a gamble depending if people will take to the Nexus 4 with open arms compared to the previous devices. Not only that but even in accessory appeal as well the GSIII outdoes the Nexus brand as a whole.
I was considering the Nexus 4 because of its Quadcore processor and pure google experience on the fly. Even with all that updated more so than the SIII, however the SIII will win in the end with better support thanks to its incredibly large community.
I think I will go for the GSIII now! Tell me, before this thread becomes entirely useless can someone tell me which best route I should go when I get this? I am not one for skinned UI, I can get used to it but I prefer to not deal with bloat and lag when I can get the most out of this device.
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I think it is foolish to think the Nexus 4 may not have a large developer community.
The next Nexus is pretty much guaranteed to have large dev support. The device itself may be made by LG, but everything software wise is handled through Google so there's no issue there and with a large developer community you'll have AOSP options as CM, AOKP, etc. If you're worried about hardware defects (every phone has a few, it's just a matter of getting lucky and getting the one with the least amount of defects) then wait a couple weeks to see what people say such as the display having issues, dust getting inside the screen, etc. The phone specs itself already beats the S3 in every way, but I'm pretty sure it'll be Google handling sales directly again with the GSM model so if you're looking to renew your contract to get the phone cheaper, the S3 is pretty much your best choice
Wait for the note 2
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I never buy on contract. I also never buy a new phone. I bought a slightly used SGS3 for $350 on craigslist. A year from now, I'll sell it for $200 and buy the SGS4 (or whatever I'm interested in at the time). Saves a lot over the life of the phone. $20/month cheaper for the plan, $240/year savings, and I'm only putting out $150 for a phone every year. So I get a new slightly used phone every year and still save money.
Look for a decent SGS3 on craigslist and buy it.
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Brilliant plan.
As for OP, I wouldn't be so faithful in the Nexus 4 coming to T-mobile.
From your story, it seems that you need a working phone right now.
I'd just go with the SGSIII, the community behind it is very strong.
Use CM10 to get the stock experience, the CyanogenMod team is very good with updates.
However, if the rumors turn out be be true, the possibility of multiple Nexus devices means that one can be a T-mobile variant.
I'd wait for the official Google announcement when they have their event on October 29th.
The Galaxy Nexus will probably be getting a price cut sometime soon. It seems like a worthwhile update to me.
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Brilliant plan.
As for OP, I wouldn't be so faithful in the Nexus 4 coming to T-mobile.
From your story, it seems that you need a working phone right now.
I'd just go with the SGSIII, the community behind it is very strong.
Use CM10 to get the stock experience, the CyanogenMod team is very good with updates.
However, if the rumors turn out be be true, the possibility of multiple Nexus devices means that one can be a T-mobile variant.
I'd wait for the official Google announcement when they have their event on October 29th.
The Galaxy Nexus will probably be getting a price cut sometime soon. It seems like a worthwhile update to me.
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There won't be multiple nexus phones.
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I think LG's reputation is a little skewed IMO. At the same time only LG has themselves to blame for on that one. But let's think of why LG has a bad rep fist before we completely count out the LG Nexus 4. Basically they have a bad rep because of their failure to provide the necessary drivers for devs (ala G2x) or just plain out suck at updating their devices.
But their quality on their devices is very very good. I had a G2x and the build quality of that phone was outstanding IMO. The screen was great, the over all build was nice and I loved everything about it. Only thing that sucked balls was it's software and bad updates.
So now if you combine LG's good build quality plus Google handling the software side? I think it's a win win situation!
So to the OP, it really depends if you wanna wait or not. I have a Galaxy Nexus and I'm loving owning a Nexus, the fact that I get updates right on the spot and on time is awesome. So I'll say to wait for the LG Nexus, but if you can't wait, the SIII is perfectly fine as well.
Good luck dude.
Almost in the same boat as you,
still doubting between S3 and the Note 2,
For me the nexus isn't interesting because the battery is not replaceable and no storage cards.
The only thing keeping me from saying not 2 for sure is that the phone is rather big
Non removable battery on the nexus is a deal killer. I've pulled the battery 100 times on every phone I've ever had. Helpful when you get a boot loop flashing eye candy
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Non removable battery on the nexus is a deal killer. I've pulled the battery 100 times on every phone I've ever had. Helpful when you get a boot loop flashing eye candy
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If in boot loop I'm almost positive you just hold the power button wait for a vibrate then hold button combo to boot into recovery. Used to do it on past phones, sure it works on this phone even, just don't get boot loops is another way to avoid that dilemma.
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