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Why is Front Facing Camera a huge deal?

To some people on the internet, Nokia's lack of a front-facing camera is a deal breaker. But tell me why? It has yet become common-use and people, for the most part only use it a few times for novelty purposes. I would understand not getting the lumia 800 because the screen is too small, but stop talking about FFC unless you can see a practical and consistent use for it.
Besides, Nokia compensates in other ways. It has Nokia Maps and its suppose to be the best built-in maps. No competition. Now that has a practical use. It's has a top-notch camera as well. Dual-LED with Carl Zeiss Tessar lens. However, I heard it's not on par with the Titan though.

It's a nice feature to have (e.g. seeing gf/wife/kids while on the road, etc) but yeah many people don't need it.
However, it's a check-the-box kind of feature. When your main competitors in the iPhone and the Android superphones have it, you better damn well make sure your flagship Windows Phone has it

Aerik said:
To some people on the internet, Nokia's lack of a front-facing camera is a deal breaker. But tell me why? It has yet become common-use and people, for the most part only use it a few times for novelty purposes. I would understand not getting the lumia 800 because the screen is too small, but stop talking about FFC unless you can see a practical and consistent use for it.
Besides, Nokia compensates in other ways. It has Nokia Maps and its suppose to be the best built-in maps. No competition. Now that has a practical use. It's has a top-notch camera as well. Dual-LED with Carl Zeiss Tessar lens. However, I heard it's not on par with the Titan though.
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I agree that it's a nice feature to have. It's a must for video calling, though.

it all comes down to features that are important to the end user, while i'm in the FFC is not all that important camp, there are others who might use it a lot on their current phone, or have a need and use for it, and to them, the loss of the FFC is a deal breaker.
the part that perplexes me is that the N9 has one, which makes the virtually identical 800 not having one irritating.
personally, i'm pretty let down by the 800, aside from the great industrial design, the rest of the phone seems pretty mediocre to me, but again, it's the stuff that the focus s and titan have that more fall into line with what i care about in my next phone which makes them better.
as far as why FFC could be a big deal, common reasons are long distance relationships (apple exploits the armed forces in their iphone4 ads, but it could also be people who travel a lot for business, in which a phone might be a more convenient way to see your loved ones when a laptop can be unweildly) the here and there instances when you need to show someone something, and a call or text won't do, etc.

It's not a big deal. I'm sure most people have complained about the screen size and storage, not the FFC. It's a case of ok if it's there, doesn't really matter if it's not.

Because some people what to video chat with loved ones, or it could be anybody really.
My last phone had one but I never used it. my new phone doesn't have one and I want one now and im not buying another phone without one now that most of my family has them
Just because its not important to you doesnt mean it isnt to other people and really I dont see why they took the ffc out to begin with, even HTC is adding them to their phones.

I think it's because people like to hold Microsoft to a higher standard. Apple and Google can mess up all they want but as soon as Microsoft does all the haters jump at it. The lack of FFC and dual core situation is no different.
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JustinTV773 said:
I think it's because people like to hold Microsoft to a higher standard. Apple and Google can mess up all they want but as soon as Microsoft does all the haters jump at it. The lack of FFC and dual core situation is no different.
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The attitude like this sparks the flame wars.
As for the OP: I am using ffc occasionally to gtalk with people when I am not near my laptop.
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lqaddict said:
The attitude like this sparks the flame wars.
As for the OP: I am using ffc occasionally to gtalk with people when I am not near my laptop.
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who said I was getting an attitude?
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Features, quite simply. While you, and admittedly I, do not use it (I don't, at all) we just acknowledge that many see this as a necessary - and at this point standard feature - that from here on out it should be present on any legitimately "high-end" phone. No questions, it should just be there. When Android phones started using it (and I'm aware they were around long before) people questioned it and their overall usefulness. It's obviously a well requested feature and should be as standard as an opposite facing camera, given the greater leaps made in video conferencing / chatting as of recent time.
Its not so much that it's a huge deal, but something that should just be standard.
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Aerik said:
To some people on the internet, Nokia's lack of a front-facing camera is a deal breaker. But tell me why? It has yet become common-use and people, for the most part only use it a few times for novelty purposes. I would understand not getting the lumia 800 because the screen is too small, but stop talking about FFC unless you can see a practical and consistent use for it.
Besides, Nokia compensates in other ways. It has Nokia Maps and its suppose to be the best built-in maps. No competition. Now that has a practical use. It's has a top-notch camera as well. Dual-LED with Carl Zeiss Tessar lens. However, I heard it's not on par with the Titan though.
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It's mostly a gimmick IMO. People want it because it exists in other high end devices, so it makes their devices look worse without it.
I had 2 cell phones with front cameras and I only used that feature one time to test it for fun. I believe that not many people would want to hold their phone like a mirror and talk to their contacts with everyone around looking at their personal video calling.
It reminds me of personal assistants like Siri on the iPhone. Everybody likes them, but in the end they get used only inside the house for fun and sometimes away from other family members.
Front Cameras also raise the cost of a device without offering a great functionality.

Never-Ever used front Cam on mobiles i had..
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3-d and thinness are seen in standard high-end Tvs but that doesnt mean it's a deal breaker. Sure, it's a great to have, but some things can easily compensate. I'd say, in the way I use my phones, that Nokia maps easily well and over compensates for the lack of FFC. However, I do wish the screen was 4inches ...

also a nice feature for checking your hair
those of you saying it's no big deal.. you are quite ignorant. again, i'm one who would not use it (currently). but i know many who video chat all the time on their phone. if they currently are used to always video chatting, why would they get a phone without one. its very simple to see why many wouldn't even consider a phone without a FFC. it's all opinion guys.. just because you don't see the point in something doesn't mean it's pointless.

Red Grenadine said:
It's a nice feature to have (e.g. seeing gf/wife/kids while on the road, etc) but yeah many people don't need it.
However, it's a check-the-box kind of feature. When your main competitors in the iPhone and the Android superphones have it, you better damn well make sure your flagship Windows Phone has it
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Best answer in the thread.

cgibsong002 said:
also a nice feature for checking your hair
those of you saying it's no big deal.. you are quite ignorant. again, i'm one who would not use it (currently). but i know many who video chat all the time on their phone. if they currently are used to always video chatting, why would they get a phone without one. its very simple to see why many wouldn't even consider a phone without a FFC. it's all opinion guys.. just because you don't see the point in something doesn't mean it's pointless.
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Not only that but MS just bought Skype video chat will be integrated at an OS level we want phones that will be ready for the inevitable.
I honestly only used the FFC for checking for boogers

Aerik said:
3-d and thinness are seen in standard high-end Tvs but that doesnt mean it's a deal breaker. Sure, it's a great to have, but some things can easily compensate. I'd say, in the way I use my phones, that Nokia maps easily well and over compensates for the lack of FFC. However, I do wish the screen was 4inches ...
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I don't think comparing a camera to a display type is fair. I'm sure one could make the argument for both, why one is would seem of more use, but one is obviously a stronger mobile standard than the other and offers more legitimate use. One being directed more toward media intake, albeit in a smaller demographic, while the other appeals and offers to a larger demographic. I have rarely used mine, but it is entrely more productive than some display tech. Especially considering when you consider a form that doesn't fill a scale such as HD output does. That's exactly why 3D TVs haven't made that jump yet.
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Aerik said:
3-d and thinness are seen in standard high-end Tvs but that doesnt mean it's a deal breaker. Sure, it's a great to have, but some things can easily compensate. I'd say, in the way I use my phones, that Nokia maps easily well and over compensates for the lack of FFC. However, I do wish the screen was 4inches ...
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You can't compensate that. Its a missing hardware component. Its not like using opera mobile because a stock browser is missing hardware acceleration. If its not there its not there.
All Tablets, higher iOS/WP/Android devices, high end Pmps (galaxy player/ITouch) have it. Most mid range phones are now shipping with vga front cams. Not putting it there is denying your users a whole means of communicating and making your phones less useful to business users who need stuff like WebEx.
However go ahead and downplay it.
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Beside video calling it is also great if you want to take pictures with yourself in the picture because you can actually see on the screen what you are shooting.
Anyway, right now I think it is not so important because there is no skype app available, but if Skype gets integrated like Facebook the FFC could really become a deal breaker on the Nokia 800.

In my own case, I would find FFC to be really useful. I may be in the minority, but I was using video-calling over 3g with my old Touch Diamond2. In addition to using it with a mobile, I quite often use Skype to stay in touch with family, both extended family and my own family when I'm working away.
I recently had to travel for work, and due to corporate software policy, was unable to have Skype on my work laptop. This mean I carried an additional (old and bulky) laptop with me on my travels. I personally would have found it so much more convenient to simply be able to make the call on my mobile.
I simply assumed that with MS purchasing Skype, and Nokia buying into WP7, there'd be no question of FFC missing from the latest batch of phones. I was about to go with Nokia for past history of good quality hardware, good cameras etc. And then I found out that the memory would still be limited (I didn't realise how much of the 8Gb on my current Omnia 7 is reserved for the OS/apps, etc) *and* FFC was missing.
Now, in the grand scheme of things, these might not matter to the majority of users. But I miss having my favourite albums on tap, and the ability to video call on those occasions I wish to do so. And sadly, I've not ordered the new Nokia phones and have decided to hang on to the Omnia 7 until next year, when Nokia are due to release more handsets.
Slightly off topic - but regarding the memory, I used to have a 2Gb SD card in my TD2. This was more than enough for me to carry around my albums, but now I have less albums on an 8Gb Omnia 7! (Mind you, I have far more photos due to the ease of use of taking pictures ) I don't fully understand why MS decided to control the use of expandable memory in such a way. I can see why, but in my mind, I keep asking why people aren't allowed to add memory to suit their own needs.
Nonetheless, apart from the two issues mentioned above, I'm really happy with my phone, quite often demonstrating it to my iPhone/Android-toting work buddies. I'd just really like to be able to tell them one day that it also has Flash player support, expandable memory and video calling built in

Camera?

Has anyone found a good camera for the nexus? I can't seem to get the stock one to give me a good crisp picture.
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Vignette.
If you don't it, you wont like any camera app.

djgdroid said:
Has anyone found a good camera for the nexus? I can't seem to get the stock one to give me a good crisp picture.
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are you tapping the screen on the focus point you want? if you dont, it wont focus on that target.

stock app is fine. you just need some practice on how to take pictures.

Yes i've found one - it's Nikon D3100. Now i'll try seriously. Google has damn good coders and if it was posible to simply write better camera app they've had it done already. No offence for other developers.
If camera is very important for you shall get some other phone with better camera, it isn't hard to find one. Or buy a proper DSLR camera (yes, i'd be fruity happy if they were as compact as mibile phones).

MS. said:
Yes i've found one - it's Nikon D3100. Now i'll try seriously. Google has damn good coders and if it was posible to simply write better camera app they've had it done already. No offence for other developers.
If camera is very important for you shall get some other phone with better camera, it isn't hard to find one. Or buy a proper DSLR camera (yes, i'd be fruity happy if they were as compact as mibile phones).
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idk about that; google can't even get gmail contact images to be above 96x96, despite us asking them since 2009.
google wouldn't have done anything with this camera, samsung would have. the camera hardware on the nexus just isn't good compared to the competition, as you alluded to

MS. said:
Yes i've found one - it's Nikon D3100. Now i'll try seriously. Google has damn good coders and if it was posible to simply write better camera app they've had it done already. No offence for other developers.
If camera is very important for you shall get some other phone with better camera, it isn't hard to find one. Or buy a proper DSLR camera (yes, i'd be fruity happy if they were as compact as mibile phones).
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You could hit the middle ground and get a Micro 4/3 camera. That's my choice.
But really, the GNex doesn't take awful photos. Compose properly and take 2sec and you'll get a good enough photo for things you're taking pictures of with a phone (posting to Facebook, G+, Twitter, etc.).

jayochs said:
idk about that; google can't even get gmail contact images to be above 96x96, despite us asking them since 2009.
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Sometimes it takes a lot of effort and time to convince a developer to add a simple button on a web site and once it's done, then everyone wonders how could they live without it so long. There's loooooong story behind this from my own experience
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google wouldn't have done anything with this camera, samsung would have. the camera hardware on the nexus just isn't good compared to the competition, as you alluded to
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Yes, but don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that GNex has bad camera. It's just not as good as some others. And those people who actually need a good camera on their smartphones, usually going trough few reviews before buying it.
Martonikaj> absolutely agree with you, but i'm not one of those who complaining about GNex camera. I saw sample pictures/videos before i bought this phone and even more to that - take a look at my signature (the last three owned phones)

From my experience with this camera so far.
1) If you have a good light source, your fine.
2) For indoor shots, they work best when the light source is coming from behind you. Cuts down the pixelation.
3) Tap the screen at the focus point you want.
4) For night shots, I find they work best when you disable the flash. Don't use night scene mode, never had much luck with that.
Outdoor this camera can take some great shots, but indoors you have to handle it a certain way.

I was pretty sure when I decided on the nexus that the camera was going to be the weak spot. I just loved that it was pure Android. I've tried camera fx and have noticed a slightly better quality picture but I'm just not loving the interface. I was hoping someone had tried a camera app that I hadn't and liked it. I really liked the camera on my old HTC incredible but that was the only thing better than my nexus.
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HTC One M8s - Support?

Hey Folks,
with the new upcoming HTC One M8s (basically just the M8 but with the 615 SoC), I was wondering how big the support would be.
Assuming HTC releases the Source Code for the Kernel, it should be rather easy porting ROM's from the M8 to the M8s, or not?
Thanks!

Richylitschy said:
Hey Folks,
with the new upcoming HTC One M8s (basically just the M8 but with the 615 SoC), I was wondering how big the support would be.
Assuming HTC releases the Source Code for the Kernel, it should be rather easy porting ROM's from the M8 to the M8s, or not?
Thanks!
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I hope there will be tons of custom roms. It nearly seems that almost noone has noticed that the phone has been released. I'm receiving it tomorrow and there are still no reviews available of any kind. Just a commercial picture from the front side in GSMarena, wrong colors in Anandtech and one unpacking video in youtube. I think that this tends to change, since M9 does not bring that much on the table. M8s has barometer, dual camera and lots of cheaper price. It has also a lot of cores to bump up and will have tons of customers for its 2/3 price, compared to M9. So I really hope there will be some unlocking and rooting threads here and also some cool ROM-s to bump it up to speeds that htc won't bother themselves.

Faulty soft or faulty specs
I now discovered that no app can find the barometer from the phone. Also, irda sensor. So either the specs, the initial software or my phone is faulty. Please report if your phone misses these features also.
Also for reference, I am attaching screenshot from HTC homepage with the specs:
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Why isn't there dedicated device thread for the M8s?

I would also like a dedicated M8s thread. Interested in purchasing one but want to know how the camera compares to standard M8 with 13mp, seems to be very little info on this handset. If anyone has the phone could you let me have your thoughts. Searched the Internet and nothing as per previous user mentioned, very low key release.

kelsusit said:
I would also like a dedicated M8s thread. Interested in purchasing one but want to know how the camera compares to standard M8 with 13mp, seems to be very little info on this handset. If anyone has the phone could you let me have your thoughts. Searched the Internet and nothing as per previous user mentioned, very low key release.
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I posted a review on phonearena, I'll just copy it here and modify a bit :
I ordered this phone after a long taught, over should i order M9 or M8s. The cost difference was 1/3.What could we get for the 1/3? I was disappointed, that M9 only had one back camera, also it doesnt have a barometer. The camera is not important to me, except the slow motion. M8s and M9 both shoot 720p 120FPS slow motion, so no difference there. Add dual camera and barometer to find out the winner.
It seems that I am the only one in the world that got one. There are no real reviews or review videos. There are next to nothing forum posts available. I haven't seen any promotions even on htc facebook page. There are plenty for different Desire models and M9 for sure though. Even GSMArena tells that this phone will be released in may. Well I boguht it 2 weeks earlier.
The phone itself feels new. Its not like an Apple watch that does everything you expect that a smartphone does. There are a lot extraordinary. Forinstance the dual camera. Its something that gives you so much different device tha a standard smartphone. I like to have depth information in my photos. I can select the person in the photo with one touch to make their background like a drawing, or the other way around, to make the person as drawing and the background real. And this is just one feature. There are tons of things one can play around with such cameras. Also there is the slow motion feature with 120fps 720p recording. The slow motion videos are vivid and smooth. Just like proffessional, highly expensive slow motion shots you can see on Discovery. Just type in "slow motion htc one" to Youtube search box and see for yourself. You can play around with slow motion videos all day and never get bored for years.
I like seamless features. HTC was the first who introduced putting phone into silent mode when you placed the ringing phone face down on table. It also understands, when its taken out of pocket and rings quietly, for there is no need to scream anymore and you can have your dignity when in public spaces, in the worst case, hospital or cinema.
The phone itself feels very solid, like a future Star Trek device. It feels like it could never break (unlike the iBreak ). And the screen, ofcourse you can't distinguish pixels. Its like curves are curves. Amazing. It has FullHD resolution.
There are some downsides though. I don't know if it is a software issue or the phone is faulty, I cannot get one main feature to work, that was one of the reasons that i actually got the phone instead of M9. M9, as we know, lacks the barometer. This is not the case for M8s. I cannot get mine to work. The same issue goes for infrared. Whatever app I try, they do not see my IRDA.
I contacted htc support with the issue, they contacted me back and told me that there is no such hardware on the phone as IRDA or barometer. The specs are faulty and if I want, they could change it to the M8.
I'm not sure I want a M8. I mean I carried my Sensation Xe around for one extra year just because of the underpowered camera of it. So I'll be discussing other options on monday. Discount forinstance. I have fell in love with the tremendous battery capacity of the phone. The phone is blazing fast (I don't game, except for some Heroes of Might & Magic II port) and It seems like the battery is infinite. So I think I'll keep it. Its just that I feel a bit conned by the missing hardware. I was hoping to play around with it.
If you like any more information then Just ask, I can test anything. Here is a little camera sample:
Some 3D effects you can do, when you use duo-cam to make photos:
Slow motion movie sample (re-encoded to 360p by youtube, ofcourse. I don't know why I cannot get it to 720p in youtube. Maybe it is because the video is 768x432 pixels)
(Note that there is even more slowed-down part in the end that is made by youtube video editor and the slow motion clip)
The highest quality FullHD video that I have made was about this young cat we foud and is looking for a new home, anyone?
Don't be shy with the thanks, if you found anything helpful.

Thank you very much for comprehensive reply :good:. More real user experience information than I've managed to find anywhere else! Sounds promising although concerning about issues you highlighted.
Is the general interface fast, is there any slow down with snapdragon 615 chipset?
If you could share some low light pictures with and without flash that would also be appreciated.
Codeplayer said:
I posted a review on phonearena, I'll just copy it here and modify a bit :
I ordered this phone after a long taught, over should i order M9 or M8s. The cost difference was 1/3.What could we get for the 1/3? I was disappointed, that M9 only had one back camera, also it doesnt have a barometer. The camera is not important to me, except the slow motion. M8s and M9 both shoot 720p 120FPS slow motion, so no difference there. Add dual camera and barometer to find out the winner.
It seems that I am the only one in the world that got one. There are no real reviews or review videos. There are next to nothing forum posts available. I haven't seen any promotions even on htc facebook page. There are plenty for different Desire models and M9 for sure though. Even GSMArena tells that this phone will be released in may. Well I boguht it 2 weeks earlier.
The phone itself feels new. Its not like an Apple watch that does everything you expect that a smartphone does. There are a lot extraordinary. Forinstance the dual camera. Its something that gives you so much different device tha a standard smartphone. I like to have depth information in my photos. I can select the person in the photo with one touch to make their background like a drawing, or the other way around, to make the person as drawing and the background real. And this is just one feature. There are tons of things one can play around with such cameras. Also there is the slow motion feature with 120fps 720p recording. The slow motion videos are vivid and smooth. Just like proffessional, highly expensive slow motion shots you can see on Discovery. Just type in "slow motion htc one" to Youtube search box and see for yourself. You can play around with slow motion videos all day and never get bored for years.
I like seamless features. HTC was the first who introduced putting phone into silent mode when you placed the ringing phone face down on table. It also understands, when its taken out of pocket and rings quietly, for there is no need to scream anymore and you can have your dignity when in public spaces, in the worst case, hospital or cinema.
The phone itself feels very solid, like a future Star Trek device. It feels like it could never break (unlike the iBreak ). And the screen, ofcourse you can't distinguish pixels. Its like curves are curves. Amazing. It has FullHD resolution.
There are some downsides though. I don't know if it is a software issue or the phone is faulty, I cannot get one main feature to work, that was one of the reasons that i actually got the phone instead of M9. M9, as we know, lacks the barometer. This is not the case for M8s. I cannot get mine to work. The same issue goes for infrared. Whatever app I try, they do not see my IRDA.
I contacted htc support with the issue, they contacted me back and told me that there is no such hardware on the phone as IRDA or barometer. The specs are faulty and if I want, they could change it to the M8.
I'm not sure I want a M8. I mean I carried my Sensation Xe around for one extra year just because of the underpowered camera of it. So I'll be discussing other options on monday. Discount forinstance. I have fell in love with the tremendous battery capacity of the phone. The phone is blazing fast (I don't game, except for some Heroes of Might & Magic II port) and It seems like the battery is infinite. So I think I'll keep it. Its just that I feel a bit conned by the missing hardware. I was hoping to play around with it.
If you like any more information then Just ask, I can test anything. Here is a little camera sample:
Some 3D effects you can do, when you use duo-cam to make photos:
Slow motion movie sample (re-encoded to 360p by youtube, ofcourse. I don't know why I cannot get it to 720p in youtube. Maybe it is because the video is 768x432 pixels)
(Note that there is even more slowed-down part in the end that is made by youtube video editor and the slow motion clip)
The highest quality FullHD video that I have made was about this young cat we foud and is looking for a new home, anyone?
Don't be shy with the thanks, if you found anything helpful.
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Codeplayer said:
I now discovered that no app can find the barometer from the phone. Also, irda sensor. So either the specs, the initial software or my phone is faulty. Please report if your phone misses these features also.
Also for reference, I am attaching screenshot from HTC homepage with the specs:
Why isn't there dedicated device thread for the M8s?
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Hi, I own it since one week(no rom change) and i cannot use the Ir beam too.
Like other apps, anymote smart remote doesn't work and cannot reord ir code.
IR remote says that it doesn't support HTC IR interface...
The US HTC support confirmed me that the m8s contains an ir beam, but i think that we have to wait for a radio update...
I also have power issu with the radio, since the last sense update it seems to be better, but it's strange. Too be verified....
I hope that we will have a dedicated thread too, this phone is well hidden in google search
Christophe

tof421 said:
Hi, I own it since one week(no rom change) and i cannot use the Ir beam too.
Like other apps, anymote smart remote doesn't work and cannot reord ir code.
IR remote says that it doesn't support HTC IR interface...
The US HTC support confirmed me that the m8s contains an ir beam, but i think that we have to wait for a radio update...
I also have power issu with the radio, since the last sense update it seems to be better, but it's strange. Too be verified....
I hope that we will have a dedicated thread too, this phone is well hidden in google search
Christophe
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I'm pretty sure that's because it doesn't have an ir blaster.

Saleen28 said:
I'm pretty sure that's because it doesn't have an ir blaster.
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I hope it have one.
Ir is on website specifications, and the top of the phone use black plastic design like an ir remote.
I just hope that something is mising in the rom...
The Ir function help me to buy this phone , not having it would be bad HTC image.

tof421 said:
I hope it have one.
Ir is on website specifications, and the top of the phone use black plastic design like an ir remote.
I just hope that something is mising in the rom...
The Ir function help me to buy this phone , not having it would be bad HTC image.
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M8 has the same black plastic on top, but interestingly the IR is in the power button.
Some sites say it has it, some say it doesn't. Once htc support says it has one, once that it doesn't. Some users say it doesn't have ir though.(for example look above) - Not only this gives htc a bad image, they don't even know their own phone specs.

Codeplayer said:
I now discovered that no app can find the barometer from the phone. Also, irda sensor. So either the specs, the initial software or my phone is faulty. Please report if your phone misses these features also.
Also for reference, I am attaching screenshot from HTC homepage with the specs:
Why isn't there dedicated device thread for the M8s?
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There should be I have this phone and would say it's not a downgrade on the m8 ,camera is better bigger battery two important factors in a phone for me and the soc 615 is only a fraction slower in some day to day use

Hello Guys, anyone knows a good case for M8s ? I am thinking for the Spigen Armor for M8 but because m8s is a little bit thicker I don't know if it fits . any solutions please?

Didnt knew there was m8s >.>

That was a very informative post! Thank you. I have a request for you and or those who have an M8S. I am working on replacing my M8 4MP camera with an M8S 13MP camera. In order to get it to work, I'll need the "lib" folder from the M8S. This folder is located at /system/ of your device. If one of you could copy the "lib" folder, paste it elsewhere, then upload it for me, I would be wildly appreciative!

Yes wait
https://mega.nz/#!09gCAZQY!Ll6o0eoIS8pXrqHK8vV2e5qsgfcU_q4CmRsabKF2YWs

Much thanks!
wurstherpes said:
Yes wait
https://mega.nz/#!09gCAZQY!Ll6o0eoIS8pXrqHK8vV2e5qsgfcU_q4CmRsabKF2YWs
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Thank you so much! I'll keep an updated post of the progress. This is a huge help!

badboy47 said:
Didnt knew there was m8s >.>
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Is there a dev project planned for M8s device ? there is still a Rom Version .. but it seems that no further support is running for this rom and M8s is a nice device..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/help/make-custom-recovery-htc-one-m8s-t3114245

There is an unofficial Cyanogenmod development going on at http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/general/htc-m8s-cyanogenmod-t3142668
So if you are interested go and show your support.

M8s
Hello. I know this may be an outdated thread, but i'm having an issue with my M8s. After a period of, about, 7 to 10 days of using the device, the ui starts lagging and it's really annoying.. The only solution i've found is to restart the phone when the lag gets worse. Is anyone able to help me?

tmw97 said:
Hello. I know this may be an outdated thread, but i'm having an issue with my M8s. After a period of, about, 7 to 10 days of using the device, the ui starts lagging and it's really annoying.. The only solution i've found is to restart the phone when the lag gets worse. Is anyone able to help me?
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you should go do a factory resset

[Q] New software for M9 - 1.32.531.33 (Camera Fix)

Hi. I was just browsing through and found some articles commending the newly releases update saying it fixes the camera to an arm's length.
Can anyone confirm is this update is indeed good.?
http://phandroid.com/2015/04/09/htc-one-m9-camera-update-comparison/
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2908091/htc-one-m9-camera-software-update.html

hymnz said:
Hi. I was just browsing through and found some articles commending the newly releases update saying it fixes the camera to an arm's length.
Can anyone confirm is this update is indeed good.?
http://phandroid.com/2015/04/09/htc-one-m9-camera-update-comparison/
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2908091/htc-one-m9-camera-software-update.html
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According to the comparison on the site, I think that's a decent update, the pictures do look better. However the quality to me is still nowhere near how a flagship device should take pictures.

mr1029x said:
According to the comparison on the site, I think that's a decent update, the pictures do look better. However the quality to me is still nowhere near how a flagship device should take pictures.
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Agreed! Its improving but no where near it should be. I can't believe it had to take all the bad reviews for HTC to finally start working on this. +1

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Agreed! Its improving but no where near it should be. I can't believe it had to take all the bad reviews for HTC to finally start working on this. +1
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Feel sorry for HTC actually, I think that they have been working hard to address the camera issue for many years now, but the customers' demand kinda make it really hard for them to follow
In 2013 they started their focus on picture quality, especially low light performance with the M7. The results weren't great, but it showed potential. The M8's camera to me focused more on features rather than quality with that gimmicky Dual-Camera system (which nobody really liked). But again, it was a very good idea for them stay away from the Megapixel and actually focus on what really matters rather than just give customers specs.
We should've encouraged them to stay on that path, but so many users seemed upset with the lack of picture details. So HTC has to give them what they want with a 20 MP camera which shows detail, yes. However, the image processing ability is such a letdown. And I think that this is not just a software issue, but also a sensor issue, I have never seen a flagship phone with a weird Toshiba sensor. But hey, what do you expect from a company which has been staying away from the MP war for awhile and now is forced to get back in?

Does anyone know when this will be released on the unlocked model from HTC, if it hasn't been already?

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Feel sorry for HTC actually, I think that they have been working hard to address the camera issue for many years now, but the customers' demand kinda make it really hard for them to follow
In 2013 they started their focus on picture quality, especially low light performance with the M7. The results weren't great, but it showed potential. The M8's camera to me focused more on features rather than quality with that gimmicky Dual-Camera system (which nobody really liked). But again, it was a very good idea for them stay away from the Megapixel and actually focus on what really matters rather than just give customers specs.
We should've encouraged them to stay on that path, but so many users seemed upset with the lack of picture details. So HTC has to give them what they want with a 20 MP camera which shows detail, yes. However, the image processing ability is such a letdown. And I think that this is not just a software issue, but also a sensor issue, I have never seen a flagship phone with a weird Toshiba sensor. But hey, what do you expect from a company which has been staying away from the MP war for awhile and now is forced to get back in?
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The Toshiba sensor has plenty of potential ..HTC just need's to get it tuned in
From the review of the Nokia 830 with the same Toshiba sensor
In testing by the PureView Club, Sony's 20.7 megapixel EXMOR sensor was compared extensively to the previous generation 20.1 megapixel Toshiba sensor. The overall finding was that the Toshiba sensor produced a slightly underexposed image, while Sony's sensor tended to overexpose (wash out). Generally, underexposure is more desirable as it can be more accurately post-processed to a neutral exposure. - See more at: http://www.dailytech.com/Lumia+830+...+Sensor/article36406.htm#sthash.JhEioRm7.dpuf
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btw based on android central this update is only coming to the us models the international already recieved there update earlier last month

clsA said:
The Toshiba sensor has plenty of potential ..HTC just need's to get it tuned in
From the review of the Nokia 830 with the same Toshiba sensor
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I didn't mean it that way. What I meant was that I think HTC Devs isn't fully familiar with how the Toshiba sensor captures and gathers pictures' info, especially after 2 years working with the "Ultrapixel" camera. Therefore the image processing software isn't optimized to get the best out of it and HTC released the phone a bit too early, they should've waited for a couple more weeks or even a month, look at the G4, LG sure take their time. I wouldn't mind waiting either.

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I didn't mean it that way. What I meant was that I think HTC Devs isn't fully familiar with how the Toshiba sensor captures and gathers pictures' info, especially after 2 years working with the "Ultrapixel" camera. Therefore the image processing software isn't optimized to get the best out of it and HTC released the phone a bit too early, they should've waited for a couple more weeks or even a month, look at the G4, LG sure take their time. I wouldn't mind waiting either.
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Yeah your right their, after 15 crappy reviews I'm sure they wish they would have waited and got it perfect first now

mr1029x said:
Feel sorry for HTC actually, I think that they have been working hard to address the camera issue for many years now, but the customers' demand kinda make it really hard for them to follow
In 2013 they started their focus on picture quality, especially low light performance with the M7. The results weren't great, but it showed potential. The M8's camera to me focused more on features rather than quality with that gimmicky Dual-Camera system (which nobody really liked). But again, it was a very good idea for them stay away from the Megapixel and actually focus on what really matters rather than just give customers specs.
We should've encouraged them to stay on that path, but so many users seemed upset with the lack of picture details. So HTC has to give them what they want with a 20 MP camera which shows detail, yes. However, the image processing ability is such a letdown. And I think that this is not just a software issue, but also a sensor issue, I have never seen a flagship phone with a weird Toshiba sensor. But hey, what do you expect from a company which has been staying away from the MP war for awhile and now is forced to get back in?
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Heard about Nokia? Finnish company bought by micro, known 4 having great cameras? It's about htc not very good at optimization of the software I think. Let's see.

Hi, I just got my Developers Edition today and I did get an update right away, only it is different that the one on this post. This one is 1.32.617.30, did anyone else got this?
Thanks
Chingonazo

Chingonazo said:
Hi, I just got my Developers Edition today and I did get an update right away, only it is different that the one on this post. This one is 1.32.617.30, did anyone else got this?
Thanks
Chingonazo
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Yes this is the version I have as well

I got an update as soon as I turned on my M9 last week, but forgot to check what fixes were included it was the 1.32.206.15 not sure if the Camera fix was included (I assume it was).

Chingonazo said:
Hi, I just got my Developers Edition today and I did get an update right away, only it is different that the one on this post. This one is 1.32.617.30, did anyone else got this?
Thanks
Chingonazo
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I have the unlocked version and had this update right away too. I wonder if it is the same camera update.

Just wondering if you guys could give your thoughts on the camera with the update compared to before and compared to the M8 or the m7.

I am on 1.33.605.15 and there is no update available. You guys think this includes the camera update? I would assume so because it is a higher number but I haven't seen that build mentioned anywhere.

I am on AT&T in the US running stock and have Android version 5.0.2. HTC Sense 7.0, and Software Number 1.32.502.9.
Kernel version 3.10.49-gcea571a [email protected]#1 SMP PREEMPT
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I am on 1.33.605.15 and there is no update available. You guys think this includes the camera update? I would assume so because it is a higher number but I haven't seen that build mentioned anywhere.
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XZP Camera distortion sadly also present with XZ1 Compact - fixed in 47.1.A.5.51

UPDATE: Sony has announced a fix in a future firmware update, release ETA is end of November. See post in thread with links
UPDATE 2: Firmware version 47.1.A.5.51 has the fix! Note that you'll have to manually enable distortion correction in the camera app settings, it's disabled by default for some unknown reason.
Just replaced my Z5C today with a brand new XZ1 Compact. It's a mixed bag for sure, with some improvements and some steps backwards (no FM radio, double tap to sleep/wake...), but the worst thing I feared is the same camera distortion issue first reported by XZP users, and unfortunately it's bad news.
The XZ1C main camera takes distorted pictures as well. Boo!!!!!
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The XZ1C main camera takes distorted pictures as well. Boo!!!!!
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Have you taken the same picture with different settings to see if it gets any better and is the Album rendering time still an issue?

Really bad news as my z3c takes excellent pictures only problem with the camera i have is the stupid auto mode that i have to change every time when i started the camera, before i shoot a pic. Hope they disabled this presistent crap.
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Assimilator_X said:
Really bad news as my z3c takes excellent pictures only problem with the camera i have is the stupid auto mode that i have to change every time when i started the camera, before i shoot a pic. Hope they disabled this presistent crap.
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I do know that if you launch the camera from the lock screen (by holding down the physical shutter button), it defaults to Auto mode. If you launch the camera app manually after you've unlocked the phone, it defaults to your last used setting.
Yes, it's annoying. That said, I've read a review somewhere that claims the auto mode has improved a lot since then.

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Have you taken the same picture with different settings to see if it gets any better and is the Album rendering time still an issue?
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Yeah, the same distortion using the manual camera.
And yes, the Album still takes an awful long time to render a sharp image. I thought it would be solved with the newer chip and UFS storage, but I guess not.
I also wasn't able to find Photo Analyzer to disable in the system apps, which some say were causing delays in earlier models.
If it makes any difference, I've disabled Movie Creator.

Can you take a photo from a checkerboard grid from straight above to analyze how bad the distortion really is?

Thats no surprise. All imx400 sensor from Sony has this lense issue. There won't be a fix. Sony already told there is no problem. Take your money back or accept it. Good luck to us all lol

I've read several reviews and the distortion is not mentioned anywhere. It's this affecting all phones or is it just that some have the issue and others don't?

Probably all phones affected that fitted with the 19mp sensors i am working in the phone repair industry we had same years ago with htc m7 and m8 models but after a while htc declared a camera recall and we replaced them in warranty. Doubt it will happen with sony xz, xz1, xz1c too many units involved and cost to high. Finally we got another compact flagship that "faulty by design".
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I've read several reviews and the distortion is not mentioned anywhere. It's this affecting all phones or is it just that some have the issue and others don't?
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its mostly visible in close up photos and straight lines. Thats why you dont see it in reviews because they dont take photos of straight buildings all the time even thou you can see the distortion is the fotos from serveral reviews.

mhaha said:
Just replaced my Z5C today with a brand new XZ1 Compact. It's a mixed bag for sure, with some improvements and some steps backwards (no FM radio, double tap to sleep/wake...), but the worst thing I feared is the same camera distortion issue first reported by XZP users, and unfortunately it's bad news.
The XZ1C main camera takes distorted pictures as well. Boo!!!!!
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That's bad news.. Can't it be easily fixed with snapseed or the default photo editor?
Also, if you're kind enough, I would like to find out if we can FINALLY take raw photos with the XZ1 compact. Could you try with a 3rd party app and let us know?
That's the reason I left sony after Z3 compact, and I would love to return but this is holding me back

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Can you take a photo from a checkerboard grid from straight above to analyze how bad the distortion really is?
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Sorry, don't have such a thing lying around the house. I picked the closest thing I have to a checkerboard-like item - my keyboard.
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That's bad news.. Can't it be easily fixed with snapseed or the default photo editor?
Also, if you're kind enough, I would like to find out if we can FINALLY take raw photos with the XZ1 compact. Could you try with a 3rd party app and let us know?
That's the reason I left sony after Z3 compact, and I would love to return but this is holding me back
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Re: RAW support: that's a big negative.
Besides, if they supported it, I'll bet they'd emphasize it their marketing.
Don't think the distortion is something that can be easily fixed post editing, the photo is already "damaged". Sony needs to fix the algorithm at the source.

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Sorry, don't have such a thing lying around the house. I picked the closest thing I have to a checkerboard-like item - my keyboard.
Re: RAW support: that's a big negative.
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Besides, if they supported it, I'll bet they'd emphasize it their marketing.
Don't think the distortion is something that can be easily fixed post editing, the photo is already "damaged". Sony needs to fix the algorithm at the source.
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Many MANY thanks, and what a shame... I guess I'm stuck with the SE until .... well... forever

Well i might just sell mine after all. Yes they are happy with our preorder and im exchange we getting broken devices. Great.
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can you post more examples?

https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xper...-serious-distortion-issue/td-p/1232765/page/2
check this tread guys really is a joke and we paying for the crap camera? I should get my XZ1C tomorrow and throw it back to the shop and cancel the contract immediately if is turns out the same. I still using my older Z3C no camera issues no distorted pics, ok low light is different cake. But really if is that bad i rather keep my z3c instead of a again faulty flagship unit. Unfortunately nobody else manufacturing small form factor devices like the sony compact line with 4.6" display. Will see tomorrow might just getting a new or a second hand z5c after all.

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might just getting a new or a second hand z5c after all.
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As a previous owner of Z1C > Z3C > Z5C, I strongly advise against that idea. If your Z3C is functional, DO NOT exchange it for a Z5C, it's a worse phone overall due to the horrid Snapdragon 810 chip that plagues all flagship phones of that era.
You will lose the great battery life you're enjoying with the Z3C, and encounter slowdowns and lags all over the place due to the throttling. Even when throttled, the phone still gets crazy hot.
Not worth it.

Thanks for the info mhaha. Yes my z3c still works and looks prestine. Battery lasts 3 days on normal usage no facebook or other social media app installed also rooted with locked bl.
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So how noticable/bad is this issue? If i'm primarily taking shots of the family will this be badly noticeable? Is it easily fixed in editors on the phone?
The specs of the XZ1 compact are perfect for me but the camera is a big issue if its truly bad. I'm due to go and upgrade tomorrow so need to know really or if its a case of try it and then return in the 14 days if its bad.

I will have mine today is already in store but i need to collect it. I will xheck it oob before i sign anything.
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