I dont start Polls every but I think that this one is important because why would HTC not release new official firmwares in the near and distant future that improves battery life?
I really don't know if this is a joke or if its fact, see thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1610951
Another link: http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...pdate-coming-to-improve-one-x-battery-1076825
I really will be surpised if people dont react to this, how would you react? Would you not at the very least send them a long pissed of email?
For some this is perhaps nothing, but I think battery life is the most important thing and is it not obvious why?
(THIS POLL WAS NOT MEANT TO MAKE PEOPLE EAT THEIR OWN FINGERS, IT WAS MEANT TO SIMPLY PUT PEOPLE'S OPINIONS TOGETHER AND MAYBE BE NOTICED BY HTC, WHO KNOWS?)
I think you're getting the wrong idea from the HTC statement. It isn't that they're not going to focus on battery life but more that the current One X battery life is how it should be. There isn't a quick fix available by moving the now known to be useless nVidia app into the correct directory. As the article states, they've already done some fixes to the screen autobrightness which should help with battery life and the flickering.
This is just a PR exercise for them to minimise the outrage and misunderstanding about that specific nVidia app. They're still a manufacturer who makes battery powered devices i.e. phones so they're still going to be concerned about battery life.
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I think you're getting the wrong idea from the HTC statement. It isn't that they're not going to focus on battery life but more that the current One X battery life is how it should be. There isn't a quick fix available by moving the now known to be useless nVidia app into the correct directory.
This is just a PR exercise for them to minimise the outrage and misunderstanding about that specific nVidia app.
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I have a hard time accepting that this is what the battery life SHOULD be, because the 1X houses the Tegra 3 which is suppose to be the big game changer and reaaaaaally make the battery last. I am fine with my 1X but I cant believe that this is the way the battery life will be forever. I mean look at my Samsung Galaxy S2 it can go 3 DAYS strong before it dies (Amoled bla bla) this is where Tegra 3 comes in and the 1800mah battery.
Cheers.
Nice poll options, could only have been better if you had added (pick this one) and (don't pick this one)...
Useless...
HTC-Gunge said:
Nice poll options, could only have been better if you had added (pick this one) and (don't pick this one)...
Useless...
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Why not give me some pointers instead of just saying some **** and then useless?
I wrote that I dont normally start polls.
I just wrote whatever but options are pretty clear aren't they?
Besides if you cant contribute to the issue at hand then you shouldn't write anything you are just flaming.
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I have a hard time accepting that this is what the battery life SHOULD be, because the 1X houses the Tegra 3 which is suppose to be the big game changer and reaaaaaally make the battery last. I am fine with my 1X but I cant believe that this is the way the battery life will be forever. I mean look at my Samsung Galaxy S2 it can go 3 DAYS strong before it dies (Amoled bla bla) this is where Tegra 3 comes in and the 1800mah battery.
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The Tegra CPU does have that extra low speed low power core but the problem with the One X battery is when you're actually actively using it. During those times, the CPU will most likely have the other 4 cores running and the power hungry LCD + backlight will also be on. If I'm not really using the One X then the battery is great but thats because it is mostly asleep running on that low power core. If I'm playing a game then the battery drains alarmingly quickly.
Before you claim that I'm just following HTC blindly, I would like to state that I would appreciate better battery life as the One X isn't amazing in that regard. I just don't think that HTC are going to completely ignore battery life in their firmware as you originally stated. They'll do what they can but there isn't a 20% increase hiding in there just by moving that specific nVidia app. There might be gains in there from altering the voltages or frequency scaling.
One thing which HTC have stated and does directly affect the One X along with its battery life is that they did studies where consumers preferred a thin phone. This puts massive restrictions on what battery you can use and whether it is removeable. I'm not sure the value of the studies they did since everybody is going to say that they want a thin phone.
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The Tegra CPU does have that extra low speed low power core but the problem with the One X battery is when you're actually actively using it. During those times, the CPU will most likely have the other 4 cores running and the power hungry LCD + backlight will also be on. If I'm not really using the One X then the battery is great but thats because it is mostly asleep running on that low power core. If I'm playing a game then the battery drains alarmingly quickly.
Before you claim that I'm just following HTC blindly, I would like to state that I would appreciate better battery life as the One X isn't amazing in that regard. I just don't think that HTC are going to completely ignore battery life in their firmware as you originally stated. They'll do what they can but there isn't a 20% increase hiding in there just by moving that specific nVidia app. There might be gains in there from altering the voltages or frequency scaling.
One thing which HTC have stated and does directly affect the One X along with its battery life is that they did studies where consumers preferred a thin phone. This puts massive restrictions on what battery you can use and whether it is removeable. I'm not sure the value of the studies they did since everybody is going to say that they want a thin phone.
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See this is not what im saying that some of us follow HTC blindly, what I meant is exactly what I wrote, 'if you knew this to be as a fact' how would you react?
Cheers.
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See this is not what im saying that some of us follow HTC blindly, what I meant is exactly what I wrote, 'if you knew this to be as a fact' how would you react?
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Ahh. Sorry! Misunderstood you there. If HTC did say that they're not going to focus on battery life then I'd just switch to a custom ROM and possibly ponder never buying another HTC phone again.
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Ahh. Sorry! Misunderstood you there. If HTC did say that they're not going to focus on battery life then I'd just switch to a custom ROM and possibly ponder never buying another HTC phone again.
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The mistake is mine, like I stated I never start polls, and it not meant to be hostile I mean what would the point be in that? Attacking ourselves? hehe.
I just believe that the battery could improve ALOT if given proper attention, another thing is the camera, I dont understand why the pictures are never larger than 3 MB?
Maybe I should write it in the OP that this is not a hate Poll, its more a customer satisfaction Poll.
I mean the clients are the most important in the end.
HTC did a good job on the phone physically but I think most people can agree that they were surprised by the power consumption in the units.
The Asus Prime also houses the Tegra 3, and it has 3 power control options, maybe HTC should implement such a feature.
Cheers!
When DHD came out, the battery life wasn't the best, cos of its monstrous screen , anyway, customs roms improved the battery life a lot and I think they will improve one x:s battery life as well, but it would be a bad move from HTC to officially announce that they are not doing anything about their flagship phone's battery life
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When DHD came out, the battery life wasn't the best, cos of its monstrous screen , anyway, customs roms improved the battery life a lot and I think they will improve one x:s battery life as well, but it would be a bad move from HTC to officially announce that they are not doing anything about their flagship phone's battery life
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Thank you for your positive input!
Cheers!
Where's the "Do nothing because the battery life is fine for me"? I would vote for the top one but unfortunately I don't like to be insulted. This is going to yield VERY inaccurate results.
What a ridiculous poll.
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Where's the "Do nothing because the battery life is fine for me"? I would vote for the top one but unfortunately I don't like to be insulted. This is going to yield VERY inaccurate results.
What a ridiculous poll.
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Ridicule it as much as you want it is not a Poll for your 'my battery is fine'.
I also feel that my battery is FINE but it is fine RIGHT NOW. And if I would know that it will not improve then I would get very upset.
Im sure the SGII has a bumpy ride before getting a nice battery life based on software improvements.
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Ridicule it as much as you want it is not a Poll for your 'my battery is fine'.
I also feel that my battery is FINE but it is fine RIGHT NOW. And if I would know that it will not improve then I would get very upset.
Im sure the SGII has a bumpy ride before getting a nice battery life based on software improvements.
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No, it's not, it's a poll for "If HTC no longer focuses on battery life in their official roms, how would you react?".
How would I react? I honestly couldn't care less, but the option for that is stupid and insulting. You're essentially implying that anyone who doesn't care that HTC is no longer focusing on battery life is a "sheep" and cannot think for themselves.
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No, it's not, it's a poll for "If HTC no longer focuses on battery life in their official roms, how would you react?".
How would I react? I honestly couldn't care less, but the option for that is stupid and insulting. You're essentially implying that anyone who doesn't care that HTC is no longer focusing on battery life is a "sheep" and cannot think for themselves.
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I will repeat it again and again if I have to, look since the sheep thing upsets people then I would change it to 'indifferent' because thats what it is implying and if you dont want to answer then dont, its more to see what people think about the whole battery issue not YOUR personal self-insulting issues or whatever you have going on.
I also wrote in the beginning that I never start Poll and yes I am abit of a crude person but thats just me.
I also added this : (THIS POLL WAS NOT MEANT TO MAKE PEOPLE EAT THEIR OWN FINGERS, IT WAS MEANT TO SIMPLY PUT PEOPLE'S OPINIONS TOGETHER AND MAYBE BE NOTICED BY HTC, WHO KNOWS?)
And if I may say I really cant believe that you couldnt care less if the updates didnt improve the battery, I think you belong in the less than 99.9% group who do not want the updates to include battery enhancements or performance, and again about your sheep-complex its something you have to sort out im sorry im no psychiatrist.
Cheers!!!
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Where's the "Do nothing because the battery life is fine for me"? I would vote for the top one but unfortunately I don't like to be insulted. This is going to yield VERY inaccurate results.
What a ridiculous poll.
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Why would it yield innacurate results? Im sorry but I have to ask.
Because of the sheep things? I think strong minded people dont care about stuff like that.
And again I think 99.9% of the One X owners would like to see updates that improves battery life asides from other stuff.
You're one wierd little one...
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I will repeat it again and again if I have to, look since the sheep thing upsets people then I would change it to 'indifferent' because thats what it is implying and if you dont want to answer then dont, its more to see what people think about the whole battery issue not YOUR personal self-insulting issues or whatever you have going on.
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You didn't read my last post at all did you?
'Sheep' doesn't upset me. It's not even the fact you typed those 4 letters that makes me think this poll is stupid, it's the fact that by using the options you have done (including an insulting term in the counter option to what you believe) you're pretty much 'forcing' people to agree with you. You're not going to get accurate results with this poll (y'know, completely defeating the whole point of it).
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I also added this : (THIS POLL WAS NOT MEANT TO MAKE PEOPLE EAT THEIR OWN FINGERS, IT WAS MEANT TO SIMPLY PUT PEOPLE'S OPINIONS TOGETHER AND MAYBE BE NOTICED BY HTC, WHO KNOWS?)
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...what?
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And if I may say I really cant believe that you couldnt care less if the updates didnt improve the battery, I think you belong in the less than 99.9% group who do not want the updates to include battery enhancements or performance, and again about your sheep-complex its something you have to sort out im sorry im no psychiatrist.
Cheers!!!
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I just don't care about battery life that much. It's fine, it does the job (Mine's currently at 60% after 7hours and 24minutes on battery).
Not sure about my "sheep-complex", as you so eloquently put it, but someone who flips out and argues with random people simply because someone disagreed with their point of view must have some sort of god-complex.
That can't be healthy.
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Why would it yield innacurate results? Im sorry but I have to ask.
Because of the sheep things? I think strong minded people dont care about stuff like that.
And again I think 99.9% of the One X owners would like to see updates that improves battery life asides from other stuff.
You're one wierd little one...
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Haha, I'm a bizarre person, I wont lie!
And no, strong minded people wont care, but they probably wont vote.
I think the 161 views and only 4 votes speaks for itself, don't you?
I think that they will be working on codes to optimize battery-life..
Read here from Engadget's article:
We also discussed battery life and competing phones that come with physically larger batteries (especially the Droid Razr Maxx), but Vice President of Phone Strategy Bjorn Kilburn claims that for most customers going into the shops, power consumption is not on the top of their lists. In fact, HTC claimed it tested a large battery concept with selected customers and carriers last year, but it didn't sell.
It turns out people just prefer thinner phones (or at least initially they do), and therefore HTC chose to take a holistic approach to improving battery life through power management optimization, choice of power density, choice of voltage and many more.
HTC's preference to wired charging over the comparatively slower wireless charging also helps reduce phone downtime, of course.
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Read here from Engadget's article:
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I just read thru the article fast.
I really hope they focus on battery improvments.
Me and some other people were discussing on a thread if it could be possible to change the 1800 battery to a maybe 2000? that is more or less the same size and if its not too much of a difference in size then maybe even a 2200.
If you notice on the back of the 1X the poly-body is 'soft' if you press it abit, and also opening didnt seem TOO difficult.
But first think is to find the correct battery model but stronger and go from there.
Another possible scenario could be to make use of those 5 pins on the back. But at least for me its unclear about what they exactly do or will do, of course a Dock comes to mind but will it get charged via those pins?
In that case you could have a cover with an extra battery or something
Cheers
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So if you knew this to be a fact, how would you react?
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Well, since it's not a fact I'm not going to react at all. How you got that HTC's abandoning focusing on battery life out of this is beyond me. If their phones suddenly become known as the worst of all manufacturers for battery life they may as well shut down now. It's a competitive industry and their battery life needs to be competitive also. They're not idiots.
This week, at its Frequencies blogger event, HTC said it was looking at ways to prolong battery life without adding more bulk to the phone itself. Speaking to bloggers in Seattle, HTC's vice president of phone strategy Bjorn Kilburn said that the company had rejected models with huge 3000mAh batteries because they were too thick. PCMag reports that Kilburn said research indicated customers wanted a phone between 8mm and 10mm thick and that customers weren't happy to buy a phone any bigger than that.
"We experimented with putting in a lot more battery, making the device thicker, but consumers don't want to buy it," Kilburn said. "So we spent a lot of time finding other ways [to maximize battery life] than the brute force approach."
HTC is now trying to find ways to improve battery life without whacking a great big battery in the phone and calling it a day. Kilburn highlighted the HTC One X's LCD 2 display, which he says is less power hungry than an AMOLED display as an example of the company's efforts.
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Whats up with the 1230 mAH battery? even worse than the one on the desire? i realize this new cpu uses less power, but still they should have gone with an 1500 mAh battery to have decent battery life :/ im worried they sacrificed battery life to built a slimmer device
Is the screen regular lcd os super lcd?
Why did they remove the kickstand and the hdmi port?
so everybody loved every inch of the desire hd? no complaints?
I personally would wait for reviews before passing any judgement. Looking at specs alone can be deceiving.
Just a few weeks ago, people were complaining about the 800mhz cpu in the G2/DesireZ. But benchmarks show that it's just as fast, if not faster, than the 1ghz cpu in the Desire and Nexus One.
I agree with with the OP i was all set to pre order the Desire HD until i saw it had a smaller battery, HTC claim the new CPU etc requires a lot less power but i`ll hold on until people tell us what its like in the real world.
Well I like it for the SIZE...... and comes with FROYOOo.... The specs and the initial benchmarks tell the CPU is faster and the GPU is lil bit faster than the Galaxy S. We will wait and see.
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Well I like it for the SIZE
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have you used the phone yet or anything similar?
after my Touch HD i got the HD2 and it is HUGE, didnt feel right in my hand at all. sent it back and got a desire instead, so im not thinking i will like the desire HD
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have you used the phone yet or anything similar?
after my Touch HD i got the HD2 and it is HUGE, didnt feel right in my hand at all. sent it back and got a desire instead, so im not thinking i will like the desire HD
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Agreed, a step too far in terms of size
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I personally would wait for reviews before passing any judgement. Looking at specs alone can be deceiving.
Just a few weeks ago, people were complaining about the 800mhz cpu in the G2/DesireZ. But benchmarks show that it's just as fast, if not faster, than the 1ghz cpu in the Desire and Nexus One.
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i know , btw i didnt complain with about the desire z cou haha , but what bugs me is that ok the new cpu might consume less, but take advantage of that an include the same battery as before to get BETTER battery life instead of trying to maintain the same crappy battery life
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i know , btw i didnt complain with about the desire z cou haha , but what bugs me is that ok the new cpu might consume less, but take advantage of that an include the same battery as before to get BETTER battery life instead of trying to maintain the same crappy battery life
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Yes, you didn't complain about the CPU. What I was trying to say is that you're complaining about a piece of hardware based on specs, just like how others were complaining about the 800mhz CPU previously.
My point is to just wait for the reviews. It could be that the battery life will last you a day and a half with heavy use. If that's the case, then there's no point in HTC slapping on a larger battery.
My opinion is battery life is the next big hurdle to overcome in terms of smartphones and I have to say I agree with the comments made along the lines of, where the battery is concerned, bigger is better.
It would be nice to go away for a few days without having to add to clean socks, skids and toilet bag, a mobile phone charger lol
unplug your pc and see how long that lasts?
These smart phones are mini computers ... and as such it's not suprising that you have to plug it in all the time ...
Look at the ATOM CPU... smaller CPU was ment for netbooks...
We have an evan smaller CPU .. ment for our " phones"
I agree with the comments and being an ex-user of HD2 which uses the same battery, the battery life really sucks as it will only last half a day when you have a lot of calls or sms.
What's the point of having a good specs smartphone but the battery cannot even last with such lithium ion, 1230mah battery since the size of the phone is so big?
In terms of sound and camera quality, HTC is still not good at these area no doubt they are in the smart phone market for many years than other manufacturers but their technology is still not as good.
Even if the firmware support is good but there is a limit with the hardware they have.
Just my sharing.
HD
I'm a desire owner, personally I think the HD is just too big,hence for a second phone, I have the x10 mini pro,perfect for making all my calls and texts , whilst I use my desire for all surfing needs.....
Desire white does look soooo sexy though!
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i know , btw i didnt complain with about the desire z cou haha , but what bugs me is that ok the new cpu might consume less, but take advantage of that an include the same battery as before to get BETTER battery life instead of trying to maintain the same crappy battery life
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I completely agree with you. Keeping the same battery + Better efficiency = Incredible battery life. I don't see why they would want to make it the same or "around" the same as the other handsets ??
What i care about battery, most stupidest and annoying design flaw is PUT ONLY 512mb rom to phone. Only ~40mb is left for all applications, mail cache, facebook & twitter & so on work memory (most of rom is used for android&sense&so on basic phone installation that you cannot modify without root). When free memory drops to 16mb, low memory warning is displayed and after that you cannot install any application, get updates and gmail sync is not working. so between 40mb and 16mb is 24mb cap available to use. Way too little!
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What i care about battery, most stupidest and annoying design flaw is PUT ONLY 512mb rom to phone. Only ~40mb is left for all applications, mail cache, facebook & twitter & so on work memory (most of rom is used for android&sense&so on basic phone installation that you cannot modify without root). When free memory drops to 16mb, low memory warning is displayed and after that you cannot install any application, get updates and gmail sync is not working. so between 40mb and 16mb is 24mb cap available to use. Way too little!
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Yea unfortunately, I find that to take advantage of android to its absolute fullest, you have to root.
@chong
I have to counter your experience of the hd2 batt time. I easely cram over 15 hours from my hd2 - even if I run android.
I agree though that the 'out of the box' batt time is to low on most smartphones - but then again, most people doesn't seem to bother - iphone for example is terrible on batt time.
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I was expecting a lot more improvements from Desire HD versus the Desire.
Like:
- Higher resolution of the screen. It's 4.3 but the same resolution as the Desire, so you will end up with bigger pixels.
- Front facing camera. Facetime like experience is kinda girlie thingy, but actually ended up wanting this for example when you are on a long trip and you want to see your family.
- A faster processor - why not 1.2GHz?
- A kick stand, like the HTC Evo. Ended up wanting one of those while trying to watch some episodes of Friends on the plane. I had to hold the phone all the time - kinda frustrating.
At the end since it does not have higher specs compared to the Desire and since I swap my HD2, first because of Android, second because of the huge brick that I had to carry around, so I'm sticking with the Desire 1st gen.
why does everything has to be 4.3 inchs, I would love to see a better screen then an iphone 4G, and a tegra 2 Chip be awesome.
Think I'll lay off the Desire HD and Desire Z for now. There's not much noticeable improvement from our Desires. I'll wait for HTC's next big announcement
Greetings,
I bought the GNex from Expansys USA the day it came out and I have had the phone for about 5 days now. There are several things that are making me questions whether or not to keep it, get an exchange, or return altogether. Please advise:
1. The main thing I am concerned with is the battery performance. I am a Noob, so I am not sure how to run all those fancy battery tests, but I can say that when I take the phone off the charger in the morning there is only about 30-40% left by the afternoon, and that is with moderate browsing, music, and a few calls and texts. I installed the Advanced Task Killer to try and save battery life. I am coming from an iPhone 4 (I was locked into it with a contract, bad purchase I know) and it seems that the battery life is way better on the iPhone. Is there a way to determine if my GNex battery or device has a genuine problem before I return this one and potentially get a worse one? Also, I read somewhere that with these batteries they get better over time, is that true?
2. Since I got a GNex from the very first batch sent to the USA, I am wondering if the newly resumed/shipped batches will have the volume fix installed? If so, is it worth me sending back the one I have now for a newly flashed one with the update? How can anyone tell if their device is updated anyway? I have Android Version 4.0.1, but isn't that what everyone has now?
3. The speaker volume is not that impressive, and I tried installing those volume booster apps to no avail. Is the speaker just not that powerful on this device?
Feel free to insult and/or flame me on my previous iPhone usage and also my lack of technical knowledge. I love the GNex because of it's amazing features on paper and all the available bandwidths I can choose from as I travel abroad frequently and this is one of the only penta-band phones I could find other than a few Nokias. But they don't run Andriod!
tk123456789 said:
1. The main thing I am concerned with is the battery performance. I am a Noob, so I am not sure how to run all those fancy battery tests, but I can say that when I take the phone off the charger in the morning there is only about 30-40% left by the afternoon, and that is with moderate browsing, music, and a few calls and texts. I installed the Advanced Task Killer to try and save battery life. I am coming from an iPhone 4 (I was locked into it with a contract, bad purchase I know) and it seems that the battery life is way better on the iPhone. Is there a way to determine if my GNex battery or device has a genuine problem before I return this one and potentially get a worse one? Also, I read somewhere that with these batteries they get better over time, is that true?
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Android has "worse" battery life than iOS mostly because it has true multi-tasking and constant connectivity (unless in airplane mode). They generally do improve slightly, but anything 8 - 12 hrs. is pretty average, with "average" usage.
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2. Since I got a GNex from the very first batch sent to the USA, I am wondering if the newly resumed/shipped batches will have the volume fix installed? If so, is it worth me sending back the one I have now for a newly flashed one with the update? How can anyone tell if their device is updated anyway? I have Android Version 4.0.1, but isn't that what everyone has now?
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You will get an OTA (over-the-air update) sometime over the next 6 days. Most likely any replacement one you received you would still have to wait for the OTA anyways.
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3. The speaker volume is not that impressive, and I tried installing those volume booster apps to no avail. Is the speaker just not that powerful on this device?
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No, it is fairly underwhelming (Nexii always have been actually)
Thank for the quick reply s.m.knipe! Like I said I am new to this type of phone OS, so I appreciate the answers. I forgot to add another question before:
When I make a call, and I tap the icon for speaker phone, and then immediately try and tap the icon for the keypad numbers, there is a delay and the keypad numbers do not appear immediately. I guess I am saying there is a lag of sorts between pressing the speaker icon and the keypad icon to appear. However, this only seems to happen when the phone is taking a while to connect the call. When I tried doing the same thing in a better service area the icons switched back and forth seamlessly.
I really don't notice any defects on the phone at all in terms of build quality as opposed to others' here on this forum that have screen issues and cameras not being centered so that is why I am reluctant to send this one back for replacement if there is really no problem with the battery or speaker. Unfortunately I have no one to compare devices with as this phone is rare in the US. Anyway, I guess I'll be keeping this bad boy and use it as best I can!
Regards
Ok so I just retried making a call in this better reception area, and I still have the lag between the speaker icon and the keypad icon. Must be something else besides the reception?
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Greetings,
I bought the GNex from Expansys USA the day it came out and I have had the phone for about 5 days now. There are several things that are making me questions whether or not to keep it, get an exchange, or return altogether. Please advise:
1. The main thing I am concerned with is the battery performance. I am a Noob, so I am not sure how to run all those fancy battery tests, but I can say that when I take the phone off the charger in the morning there is only about 30-40% left by the afternoon, and that is with moderate browsing, music, and a few calls and texts. I installed the Advanced Task Killer to try and save battery life. I am coming from an iPhone 4 (I was locked into it with a contract, bad purchase I know) and it seems that the battery life is way better on the iPhone. Is there a way to determine if my GNex battery or device has a genuine problem before I return this one and potentially get a worse one? Also, I read somewhere that with these batteries they get better over time, is that true?
2. Since I got a GNex from the very first batch sent to the USA, I am wondering if the newly resumed/shipped batches will have the volume fix installed? If so, is it worth me sending back the one I have now for a newly flashed one with the update? How can anyone tell if their device is updated anyway? I have Android Version 4.0.1, but isn't that what everyone has now?
3. The speaker volume is not that impressive, and I tried installing those volume booster apps to no avail. Is the speaker just not that powerful on this device?
Feel free to insult and/or flame me on my previous iPhone usage and also my lack of technical knowledge. I love the GNex because of it's amazing features on paper and all the available bandwidths I can choose from as I travel abroad frequently and this is one of the only penta-band phones I could find other than a few Nokias. But they don't run Andriod!
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1.) Battery is what it is. You might want to wait for undervolted or underclocked kernels or more battery concious roms to come out. There is one (Android Revolution HD) which the first post claims to have better battery life than the stock rom. Second, as pointed out by many members, task killers do not help the battery at all. (Cannot confirm this myself, speculation from different posts) If you wanted, you could post some screenshots about your battery life and screen time and see how it compares to other members with Galaxy Nexus'. Note: The iPhone 4 has lower battery consumption because its clocked significantly less than the Galaxy Nexus (Single core 800mhz i think) and the OS itself is heavily optimized for the phone. Plus, I would assume that the iPhone has less processes running in the background compared to the G-Nexus (could be wrong though)
2.) The volume fix is being rolled out via a software update, so it should automatically be sent to your phone whether its the first batch or the hundredth.
3.) For the speaker volume, you might try changing some settings in the equalizer? Not too sure about this, but many people have reported that the speakers are reasonable in terms of performance and if you seriously feel as though the performance of the speaker is that bad, you could try exchanging it, but I doubt any good would come out of it
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Greetings,
1. The main thing I am concerned with is the battery performance. I am a Noob, so I am not sure how to run all those fancy battery tests, but I can say that when I take the phone off the charger in the morning there is only about 30-40% left by the afternoon, and that is with moderate browsing, music, and a few calls and texts. I installed the Advanced Task Killer to try and save battery life. I am coming from an iPhone 4 (I was locked into it with a contract, bad purchase I know) and it seems that the battery life is way better on the iPhone. Is there a way to determine if my GNex battery or device has a genuine problem before I return this one and potentially get a worse one? Also, I read somewhere that with these batteries they get better over time, is that true?
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Since it's a new phone try charging the battery fully and letting it discharge completely. After 3 to 5 times you should see improvement in your battery life. There is a thread on this that gives more info. Also a task killer is a bad idea and the thread covers this topic too.
I have a Nexus S and it's lasts me over 24 hours on a full charge with 3G and WIFI turned on.
mohitrocks said:
1.) Battery is what it is. You might want to wait for undervolted or underclocked kernels or more battery concious roms to come out. There is one (Android Revolution HD) which the first post claims to have better battery life than the stock rom. Second, as pointed out by many members, task killers do not help the battery at all. (Cannot confirm this myself, speculation from different posts) If you wanted, you could post some screenshots about your battery life and screen time and see how it compares to other members with Galaxy Nexus'. Note: The iPhone 4 has lower battery consumption because its clocked significantly less than the Galaxy Nexus (Single core 800mhz i think) and the OS itself is heavily optimized for the phone. Plus, I would assume that the iPhone has less processes running in the background compared to the G-Nexus (could be wrong though)
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The galaxy nexus also has a much larger screen than the iPhone which I think also plays a part in battery consumption
Thanks for the replies! Any link for the thread you mentioned? I tried a search and couldn't locate it...
the screen is, without a doubt, the most power hungry component in the phone.
Typically the battery display says 60% of the battery is being spent on the screen. Is this in line with other GNex users?
Oh, and has no one else noticed the lag I mentioned above in the on-screen display when pressing the speaker icon and then the keypad icon and then the long wait for the keypad coming up when making a call?
nope
ruthlesset said:
Since it's a new phone try charging the battery fully and letting it discharge completely. After 3 to 5 times you should see improvement in your battery life. There is a thread on this that gives more info. Also a task killer is a bad idea and the thread covers this topic too.
I have a Nexus S and it's lasts me over 24 hours on a full charge with 3G and WIFI turned on.
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Anyone know where this thread is that is mentioned above with info about the battery life and why the task killer has issues or is a bad idea?
Ok so now weve all had a decent play with our OX whats everyones thoughts?
Mod or Die
Not much playing to be had here, battery life is just way too poor.
Are you considering a switch i lv put the ox back in the box an using my gs2 in hope a fix comes via OTA for all the little bugs
Mod or Die
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Not much playing to be had here, battery life is just way too poor.
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Arthur. You're boring.
If your device is that bad then send it back as it's clear you're having a lot more problems than everyone else.
no problems here in anyway battery life is fine handset running smooth and fastttttt....................superb device love mine !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After I found a way to move my Angry bird space progress without Titanium backup, I'm content using un-rooted one x for now.
I'd like to use Adblock for web browsing and Autostarts to stop some apps from running, but ICS RAM management seems to be working fine.
Battery life seems OK, got 3 hrs 40 mins with full screen brightness and 3G on 2nd full charge.
Arthur Hucksake said:
Not much playing to be had here, battery life is just way too poor.
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I get fantastic battery life!
DaveDesire said:
Arthur. You're boring.
If your device is that bad then send it back as it's clear you're having a lot more problems than everyone else.
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I will send it back after the bank holiday IF I can get an RMA off Handtec.
I won't quit moaning about it, the OP asked for an opinion so I gave it. It's a big chunk of change to put down on a device to have something important let you down.
It's hard to appreciate a device when you can only get 3 hours screen time off a 3 hour charge.
It totally undoes all of the good work HTC have done with it. If you took the battery life of say an iPhone 4 and applied it here, it would be hands down the best piece of kit ever to come out. Literally.
I wouldn't use it as often at home because that is what the laptop and high end gaming PC is there for, so when out and about without access to a plug socket you want it to be at least reasonable. It seriously isn't.
Waiting for software / firmware updates when you have a limited time frame to return it is too much of a risk.
If HTC would have pushed 1.27 on launch day as anticipated a lot of this ill feeling wouldn't be here.
Your buying a device that is different to what is in the reviews.
Battery isn't great but its nothing different than other android phones.
ok so having had it since 7am this morning i must say its amazing, its buttery smooth, not had 1 bit of lag or stutter,
as it stands atm its currently on 9 hours 17 mins and the use i have been doing is
downloaded 7 apps,
installed gta3 from tegra zone which the download to play is 492mb over wifi,
took about 30 odd pics 2 videos 35 secs each
phone calls for about 45 mins total
set up dropbox,browsed ebay for 7 mins and brought 2 items,
ran 4x benchmarks
browesed market place for about 10 mins
sent and recieved around 40 texts,
played around on facebook,
as im a phone shop manager i treated myself for a comparison on it with
the razr
xperia s
s2
my nexus s
mainly cameras , benchmarks speed tests, really testing day .
1 major astonishment i found was
i managed to take come off lock screen boot camera-take a pic before the xperia s got into camera mode. winner,
but so far so good no issues from me and my sexy white x
cheers,
Arthur Hucksake said:
I will send it back after the bank holiday IF I can get an RMA off Handtec.
I won't quit moaning about it, the OP asked for an opinion so I gave it. It's a big chunk of change to put down on a device to have something important let you down.
It's hard to appreciate a device when you can only get 3 hours screen time off a 3 hour charge.
It totally undoes all of the good work HTC have done with it. If you took the battery life of say an iPhone 4 and applied it here, it would be hands down the best piece of kit ever to come out. Literally.
I wouldn't use it as often at home because that is what the laptop and high end gaming PC is there for, so when out and about without access to a plug socket you want it to be at least reasonable. It seriously isn't.
Waiting for software / firmware updates when you have a limited time frame to return it is too much of a risk.
If HTC would have pushed 1.27 on launch day as anticipated a lot of this ill feeling wouldn't be here.
Your buying a device that is different to what is in the reviews.
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Whats the problem,
At the moment, I'm getting a very similar screen on time to my SGS2 (3+hrs) & my HTC ONE X screen is much brighter then I ever had it on my SGS2.
Its also a known fact (due to reviewers) that 1.27, which we don't have yet, 'dramatically' improves battery life with 1.28 'rumoured' to extend it even further!
Arthur Hucksake said:
Waiting for software / firmware updates when you have a limited time frame to return it is too much of a risk.
If HTC would have pushed 1.27 on launch day as anticipated a lot of this ill feeling wouldn't be here.
Your buying a device that is different to what is in the reviews.
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I guess it is the chance we take on buying the device at launch, there always going to be problems both hardware and software we sometime so-called "bata tester" get stuck with.
You could just return it and wait for couple of months to see if HTC made any improvmements.
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Whats the problem,
At the moment, I'm getting a very similar screen on time to my SGS2 (3+hrs) & my HTC ONE X screen is much brighter then I ever had it on my SGS2.
Its also a known fact (due to reviewers) that 1.27, which we don't have yet, 'dramatically' improves battery life with 1.28 'rumoured' to extend it even further!
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That is what I don't understand about this launch.
The phone reviewed isn't what we have. The reports of battery life and such aren't what we have paid for.
I contacted HTC by email , phone and Twitter and nobody has any ETA and even deny knowledge of an update coming for general release soon.
I just want the device the reviewers had.
Arthur Hucksake said:
That is what I don't understand about this launch.
The phone reviewed isn't what we have. The reports of battery life and such aren't what we have paid for.
I contacted HTC by email , phone and Twitter and nobody has any ETA and even deny knowledge of an update coming for general release soon.
I just want the device the reviewers had.
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You clearly didn't get a DHD or sensation on launch, they had problems and I'm sure I can't remember your username popping up a million times
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Arthur Hucksake said:
That is what I don't understand about this launch.
The phone reviewed isn't what we have. The reports of battery life and such aren't what we have paid for.
I contacted HTC by email , phone and Twitter and nobody has any ETA and even deny knowledge of an update coming for general release soon.
I just want the device the reviewers had.
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Even without the update, your still getting a battery life very similar to Samsungs current flagship device (which has had a few software updates) - this is with a much brighter screen, a larger HD screen & a quad core processor when compared to the SGS2.
Are you just pissed you haven't got the 1.27 update (& don't know when you will...), or do you really think the battery is that bad?
I know 1.27 is gonna improve the battery, but even in its current state - when I compare it, it ain't that bad compared to the competition.
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Even without the update, your still getting a battery life very similar to Samsungs current flagship device (which has had a few software updates) - this is with a much brighter screen, a larger HD screen & a quad core processor when compared to the SGS2.
Are you just pissed you haven't got the 1.27 update (& don't know when you will...), or do you really think the battery is that bad?
I know 1.27 is gonna improve the battery, but even in its current state - when I compare it, it ain't that bad compared to the competition.
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I had the SGS2 and the battery life is better than what we got here, seriously.
And I did have a Sensation around launch , it was glitchy but again the battery life was not this poor.
But it could also be a case of not noticing it as much because I could carry a spare battery if need be, but never felt the need to use it.
Today our car broke down on the motorway and after calling the RAC then having to get a tow, the battery was nearly depleted and I had the worry of whether it would last long enough to take the call from when they arrived.
Then having to send a few texts to let people know we wouldn't be getting there, just how on earth are you meant to appreciate the greatness of this phone with the constant battery worries?
Random point, but do this.
Go into the Play store, scroll down the free apps for a short while, then check your battery status. 3 or 4% down having done practically nothing.
Such are the risks of getting a v1.0 anything I'm afraid, it will almost always not be as good as v1.1+. You take the chance of having initial issues vs. having the latest greatest device first. This has always been the way, some of the early release iPhones have had terrible problems until receiving patches.
At the moment I'm loving the phone, I don't think the battery is all that bad so far, but looking forward to the updates making it better, I'm certainly happy with the choice I made, no question.
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Such are the risks of getting a v1.0 anything I'm afraid, it will almost always not be as good as v1.1+. You take the chance of having initial issues vs. having the latest greatest device first. This has always been the way, some of the early release iPhones have had terrible problems until receiving patches.
At the moment I'm loving the phone, I don't think the battery is all that bad so far, but looking forward to the updates making it better, I'm certainly happy with the choice I made, no question.
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Think I will try a swap out for another, see how that fares. If it is exactly the same then atleast I know i've given it a fair roll of the dice.
It's like I am really hoping there is something wrong with mine, and the battery isn't how it's meant to be but the pattern is common on here and usage stats are all pretty much the same.
I wouldn't say its right to compare it to the iPhone neither. HTC have had plenty of time to get this right. I've had the Hero> Desire > Sensation and now this. Each time I keep expecting them to "get it right" and they never quite make it.
The craziest thing is, the Hero is still my pick of the bunch judging by how I felt at the time and the fact I added a hench battery and made it even better.
i think alot of users were expecting too much from the phone massive hype led to a kick in the nuts for some .. ????take the phone as it is, if battery is going to make or break your decision then a machine like this maybe isnt for you.
end of the day it is android 4 with sense 4 big screen quad core - expect battery to be poor until you have a few cycles and updates are sent out, dhd was worse i had 2 off them....
cheers
Im getting my HTC One X on Tuesday next week from phones4u hopefully, cant wait!. But ive read such a difference in people experiences with the battery life of this phone that im not sure what to make of it! lol, ill just have to wait and see I guess and report back how i find it, it promising to see that the majority, correct me if im wrong, of UK users seem to be reporting good battery life though!
Got a few questions:
Now then coming from a Galaxy Note and Iphone 4s.
1) Battery life is it as good as the above phones
2) How quick does it recharge, not a slow re charger, needs to be as speedy as the Iphone
3) Wifi strength is it OK like the Note or powerful like the Iphone
4) GPS does it find satellites instantly like the Note or pretty quick like the Iphone..
Other than that the One X seems to be hitting all the plus points for me, hope you don't mind the comparisons to other phones
theres a problem with the wifi antenna, which also serves as the bluetooth antenna. the wifi is that good on the one x, that even when its broken it can still get good signal.
the gps may also use the same antenna not 100% sure. so if you got a one x with the antenna problem (which afaik, all one x's have a chance of getting this)
the battery life is good - however when you actually start using the phone, it does go pretty quickly. not much more quickly than the iphone though. in standby times, it wouldn't surprise me if hox had better battery life.
it charges quick enough (probabyl about 2-3hours). if you're using sat nav whilst charging, then it'll charge slower. but that happens with any phone anyway.
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Got a few questions:
Now then coming from a Galaxy Note and Iphone 4s.
1) Battery life is it as good as the above phones
2) How quick does it recharge, not a slow re charger, needs to be as speedy as the Iphone
3) Wifi strength is it OK like the Note or powerful like the Iphone
4) GPS does it find satellites instantly like the Note or pretty quick like the Iphone..
Other than that the One X seems to be hitting all the plus points for me, hope you don't mind the comparisons to other phones
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Read around the forum mate, then are tons of threads like this - all your questions answered with a simple search.
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Read around the forum mate, then are tons of threads like this - all your questions answered with a simple search.
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hmm was expecting this kind of response, thanks
Thanks Lawrence750, nice helpful stuff. appreciated:good:
I have a issues free One X and everything work flawlessly. GPS , wifi, and bluetooth are all very good.
I don't have a Note to compare but I heard the battery is very good on it (big battery with relatively modest specs so i guess it makes sense) so I don't think the battery on the hox quite compare to the note BUT, the main battery drainer on the One X is the screen which is phenomenal but it seems all this glory comes at a price and it s not uncommun to end the day with 75%+ battery usage from the screen only.
What this means is that on stand by or set on low brightness (the auto brightness tend to be to bright), the phone barely use any power so you can easily manage your power consumption.
That being said the battery life is good enough to handle a day of regular usage and is improving with each update (maybe jelly bean will improve it too).
So I guess I need to check and see if wifi gps and bt work OK before buying it seems.
Looking at some of the developers in here take me back to the Touch HD and HD2 days...
Yes been on XDA since 2007...eeek what an ole git
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hmm was expecting this kind of response, thanks
Thanks Lawrence750, nice helpful stuff. appreciated:good:
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Yet you still started a new thread without searching? Sorry, I am fairly tolerant of noobs not thinking of searching first, it happens but if you expected this kind of response then not searching was rude and ignorant.
Back on topic. Battery life is not as good as the note but with lesser spec and bigger battery that's to be expected.
Screen on time will be close to iPhone 4s but probably slightly less, stand by time is days on end and beats almost any smart phone due to the very low power companion core which is all that runs in standby.
My one x wifi works 40-50 yards from the house with nothing but a free Sky (netgear) router and we have solid 9inch Victorian walls.
Gps lock takes a few seconds generally.
Lastly, you WILL NOT regret buying the One X. The screen and performance are mind boggling!
Sorry tried searching as always on XDA, but so many conflicting responses came back it confused me, sometimes putting your defined questions in one can get more accurate answers, and so far your all extremely helpful, I do apologise if I have been rude and ignorant, but Its also good to see how the community is, as I shall spend ages trawling through this XDA ONE X zone, one of the friendliest sections was the HD2 and loved spending time in there, but the Sammy S2 and S3 seem to have there fair share of pretty rude people, actually puts me off going for an S3, you might say "WHAT" its just a phone, but its not its the community that goes with it...that makes it a better phone
As an ex note user, I can safely say battery life is poor in comparison, however the hox more than makes it up in most other aspects. By far the best android phone around at the moment.
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People tend to get rude if you coach the question with comparisons to other phones. You'll have to pardon that since there are a metric ton of phone trolls that love to stir the pot.
My HOX is trouble free. Wifi is awesome and GPS is spot on. I don't have the update yet but that should improve battery life.
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People tend to get rude if you coach the question with comparisons to other phones. You'll have to pardon that since there are a metric ton of phone trolls that love to stir the pot.
My HOX is trouble free. Wifi is awesome and GPS is spot on. I don't have the update yet but that should improve battery life.
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you're right, i was sooo tempted to slag off the iphone a bit lol.
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you're right, i was sooo tempted to slag off the iphone a bit lol.
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Don't ask...I create animation for App developers so needed one for testing purposes...god its yawnful
Oh Another thing, the sound quality on the Note was pretty mediocre to say the least, the Iphones is pretty spot on, but I can imagine the Beats HTC is the best Yay?
THUDUK said:
Got a few questions:
Now then coming from a Galaxy Note and Iphone 4s.
1) Battery life is it as good as the above phones
2) How quick does it recharge, not a slow re charger, needs to be as speedy as the Iphone
3) Wifi strength is it OK like the Note or powerful like the Iphone
4) GPS does it find satellites instantly like the Note or pretty quick like the Iphone..
Other than that the One X seems to be hitting all the plus points for me, hope you don't mind the comparisons to other phones
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1 - Battery life is great, I've never had a day where it has died, always lasts the day which is all you need in a phone, as it can then be charged during sleep?
2 - Re-charge is also great, mine goes from Red to 100% within a couple of hours.
3 - WiFi strength isn't bad, always as good as, if not better than my laptop and PC
4 - It always has a good signal, what I will say that I have noticed is that sometimes, not all the time but sometimes, if you lose signal it will not repick the signal up until the phone has restarted.
Hope this helps.
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Don't ask...I create animation for App developers so needed one for testing purposes...god its yawnful
Oh Another thing, the sound quality on the Note was pretty mediocre to say the least, the Iphones is pretty spot on, but I can imagine the Beats HTC is the best Yay?
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the speaker on the one x sucks. but when plugged in its pretty good. Apt-x (hs3000) sounds almost better than having it plugged in, which makes the headphone socket seem pretty crap, but trust me its fine.
THUDUK said:
Got a few questions:
Now then coming from a Galaxy Note and Iphone 4s.
1) Battery life is it as good as the above phones
2) How quick does it recharge, not a slow re charger, needs to be as speedy as the Iphone
3) Wifi strength is it OK like the Note or powerful like the Iphone
4) GPS does it find satellites instantly like the Note or pretty quick like the Iphone..
Other than that the One X seems to be hitting all the plus points for me, hope you don't mind the comparisons to other phones
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1 - OK with last update!
2 - Charges a bit slow, but I think it's normal for such a big battery.
3 - Currently there is no phone on the market with better signal strength than hox.
4 - Few seconds.
THUDUK said:
Got a few questions:
Now then coming from a Galaxy Note and Iphone 4s.
1) Battery life is it as good as the above phones
2) How quick does it recharge, not a slow re charger, needs to be as speedy as the Iphone
3) Wifi strength is it OK like the Note or powerful like the Iphone
4) GPS does it find satellites instantly like the Note or pretty quick like the Iphone..
Other than that the One X seems to be hitting all the plus points for me, hope you don't mind the comparisons to other phones
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I should also contribute my lil piece of advice here, as you seem genuine interested and not just the troll kind. Its true that people get offended from threads about phone comparison, but from what I have seen about those 'troll threads" it is all about "Which phone is better? Give me your opinion blah blah blah..." and provides no specific needs, when other people are the ones trying to figure out what the op really wants. and have they spoonfeed to the op. Anyways, I will tell you that you definitely won't regret having a HOX (not really a crapple fan). Comparing to the brick design of the iPhone and the gigantic Note (a bigger brick), to me the HOX phone built really stands out. This is also the first and only smartphone i ever had and I am already enjoying playing around with it. Having said that, I cannot tell you which phones are better in what aspect as I do not possess those smartphones you mentioned. There are lots of battery saving threads you can check around to make the phone easily last about one day and a half depending how you use it. Charging is really not a problem for me because outlets are literally everywhere in this age, even on your computer/ laptop (unless you are coming from a miserable background where outlets are considered luxurious). Before going to bed just simply leave the phone charging and will be good to go when i wake up. GPS... I don't really use it a lot as I mainly rely on the car GPS or google map. Speaking about Wifi, I will say kind of disappointed not because it is not good but I was expecting it to be strong as my laptop. But apparently some bird told me smartphones do have weaker wifi connection.
The biggest blessing for this phone is that there is no need to spend time waiting, praying, and scheming to break out the jail (thanks to Crapple). With One X, I can customize it to my needs (custom roms/ mods/ etc...) I really enjoy using the One Extreme Sound Enhancer to improve the sound quality. There are tons of custom roms floating around this forum so choose it to your liking. The issues you mentioned above, I have heard most are software related glitches and can be fixed by flashing roms. Hope that helps you make the choice. Good luck and have fun with your gadget.
Did you install the latest update from htc? I get 5 hours screen on time which is a lot. Usually i have 20-30% battery left at the end of the day now. It really makes a difference and now my phone is perfect.
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WOW...still mulling this one over, so confused been reading lots of the forum and there are so many conflicting reviews of the phone, from people having to return there HOX's 10 times or so, to antenna, wifi terrible GPS and even amazing extremes of battery usage.
as long as i get the same length of time as my Iphone 4s and it charges nearly as quick i'm happy can always get a battery booster charger like those Anker ones for flights etc...
Just got this reply on AVforums...
I'll suggest you wait for the upgraded HOX+, get the S3, or wait till the end of the month to see what the new Note will be all about. In terms of battery life the HOX is probably the worst of the current bunch of top end phones, however Motorola have a couple of phones with very large battery capacities.
What is a HOX+ ?
Mostly rumour and conjecture based on some benchmark results that appeared online. It's probably specific to some network and marginally tweaked. Might not even work on your network. Nobody knows yet.
Does it tick anyone off that Google put a 'SD821' in your phone, downclocked it to exact SD820 speeds, then sells it as a SD821? The difference between the two is that Qualcomm essentially overclocked the SD820 and called it the SD821 as the two have the same architecture. Then Google apparently downclocks them back down to stock speed and still calls them the Pro chip? Sounds like false advertising that they got around by advertising the downclocked speeds. They knew most customers just care that 821 is bigger than 820, as they don't pay attention the the real tech specs. The SD821 does offer better power consumption efficiency and downclocking will make that actually show, but when the battery easily lasts more than all day, I would rather have the performance increase, but maybe that is just me.
Most customers are checking the chip model? I think not!
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Google didn't "downclock" the 821. There are 2 versions of the 821. One that is clocked higher and one that is more battery efficient.
http://www.xda-developers.com/a-loo...he-snapdragon-821-in-the-google-pixel-phones/
It's not false advertising. Its an ill informed consumer.
+1 to dbrohers comment.
Further.....this is the smoothest performing phone and great battery life. I would rather keep it as is with a lower clock speed.
I don't think Google was concerned with drag racing against other phones in benchmarks. They went for popular vote of a smooth experience with great battery life.
This was known before the phone was even released. It's a non-issue. Are you having performance issues with the phone?
Most likely both versions of the 821's are just high binned 820's. When they fab chips on a wafer the ones closest to the middle generally can hit higher clocks with lower power. So they probably have been holding back the best ones since the beginning and waiting until the fall to release them as the 821.
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Google didn't "downclock" the 821. There are 2 versions of the 821. One that is clocked higher and one that is more battery efficient.
http://www.xda-developers.com/a-loo...he-snapdragon-821-in-the-google-pixel-phones/
It's not false advertising. Its an ill informed consumer.
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Okay so Google opted for a 5% battery gain instead of a 10% performance gain? I'm glad I chose the latter.
juliend said:
This was known before the phone was even released. It's a non-issue. Are you having performance issues with the phone?
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I don't have the phone, just wondering about perspective from the owners of the phone. I have the Zenfone 3 Special Edition and love everything about it. The Pixel XL had me strongly considering it because of the software update benefits, however it just fell short in too many areas hardware wise.
iceman4357 said:
+1 to dbrohers comment.
Further.....this is the smoothest performing phone and great battery life. I would rather keep it as is with a lower clock speed.
I don't think Google was concerned with drag racing against other phones in benchmarks. They went for popular vote of a smooth experience with great battery life.
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They went for battery life over smoothest performance. Granted that at these speeds general performance differences will be almost indistinguishable, but when they choose to go with the slower version, they are not choosing smoothest performance. I do not doubt the performance is butter smooth, especially on Nougat, but 'smoothest' performance would've come from the faster clocked SD821.
Blues-n-Blazin said:
I don't have the phone, just wondering about perspective from the owners of the phone. I have the Zenfone 3 Special Edition and love everything about it. The Pixel XL had me strongly considering it because of the software update benefits, however it just fell short in too many areas hardware wise.
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Gotcha. Well, the phone is absolutely buttery smooth. The camera is epic. The battery life is incredible. The only thing I miss really is the water proof thing I had with the note 7. And the S pen. I miss my pen.
The user experience is perfect for me. They got the speed and efficiency balance spot on.
Blues-n-Blazin said:
They went for battery life over smoothest performance. Granted that at these speeds general performance differences will be almost indistinguishable, but when they choose to go with the slower version, they are not choosing smoothest performance. I do not doubt the performance is butter smooth, especially on Nougat, but 'smoothest' performance would've come from the faster clocked SD821.
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Wait....so you decided to start a thread in the Pixel forums challenging the performance characteristics of the phone that you don't even own one? lol
The difference in clock speed relative to it scrolling through the app drawer, or between home screens might make a .01 millisecond difference?
You could also buy an unlocked version and I am sure there is someone who will modify the kernal for the higher clock speed.
iceman4357 said:
Wait....so you decided to start a thread in the Pixel forums challenging the performance characteristics of the phone that you don't even own one? lol
The difference in clock speed relative to it scrolling through the app drawer, or between home screens might make a .01 millisecond difference?
You could also buy an unlocked version and I am sure there is someone who will modify the kernal for the higher clock speed.
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I wasn't challenging anything. I was asking what people thought of it as it was my runner up phone. I simply wanted to know how it panned out and what people thought of the thing that turned me away from it. The pixel section isn't exclusively for Pixel owners bud.
I wasn't even worried about the speed of doing menial tasks such as scrolling through the app drawer, I was wondering about app launch speed and performance of the most demanding games down the road. Home launcher performance is a pretty weak measuring stick for performance. Having said that, as much as I love this ZenUI3.0, I wonder if the Pixel Launcher is somehow better, if that is even possible, simply because Google coded the OS and the app which gives them a huge advantage. I will have to reserve judgement until I get a chance to play with a Pixel though. On the flip side, ZENUI3.0 might be better as it is a perfect experience and this is Google's first go at a custom launcher (though I doubt that kept them from making something exquisite). Regardless, I'm not asking about opinions on the Launcher as it is subjective and it won't tell me anything. I wanted to know if people would've rather seen the higher performance or the battery. I have the higher performance version and my phone has a smaller battery than the Pixel's but my battery lasts a lot more than the day long expectation I have. So I wonder why Google felt they needed better battery life because if my battery lasts a crazy long time, the Pixels would naturally last longer. It just feels like you didn't need more battery life but every phone could always use more performance. I presume your phone keeps charge for two full days. Do you really feel your phone benefits from that 5% battery life boost when you could've had 10% performance boost instead? (Performance that would come in handy, especially when driving that QHD display on High end VR Games down the road). The choice just doesn't make sense to me from Google's standpoint, so I figured I would find out how the owners of the phone felt about it.
Btw, I don't put custom ROMs on my devices anymore unless it is absolutely necessary. I've rarely seen a good one and still not as smooth as stock android.
All i know is my Pixel user experience is much better than my Note7. Speed feels on a whole different level. And battery seems much better.
But alot of that i think is samsungs junkware. It was always running like 20% cpu just being idle. Where i catch my pixel chillin at 0% alot of times
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juliend said:
Gotcha. Well, the phone is absolutely buttery smooth. The camera is epic. The battery life is incredible. The only thing I miss really is the water proof thing I had with the note 7. And the S pen. I miss my pen.
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Yeah waterproofing would've been awesome. The SPen is cool but I personally never used it. My finger works just fine and it would take me longer to pull the pen out and I don't do any note taking. I didn't have the note 7 though so I am ignorant on some of the SPen features it had. I really want to get my hands on a Pixel XL and see how Google did first hand. I personally hate Apple as a company and was hoping the Pixel would get some of the ignorant iPhone users to switch to Android. Most will just keep blindly buying Apple though. I think Daydream VR could possibly be flashy enough for them to consider switching though.
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I wasn't challenging anything. I was asking what people thought of it as it was my runner up phone. I simply wanted to know how it panned out and what people thought of the thing that turned me away from it. The pixel section isn't exclusively for Pixel owners bud.
I wasn't even worried about the speed of doing menial tasks such as scrolling through the app drawer, I was wondering about app launch speed and performance of the most demanding games down the road. Home launcher performance is a pretty weak measuring stick for performance. Having said that, as much as I love this ZenUI3.0, I wonder if the Pixel Launcher is somehow better, if that is even possible, simply because Google coded the OS and the app which gives them a huge advantage. I will have to reserve judgement until I get a chance to play with a Pixel though. On the flip side, ZENUI3.0 might be better as it is a perfect experience and this is Google's first go at a custom launcher (though I doubt that kept them from making something exquisite). Regardless, I'm not asking about opinions on the Launcher as it is subjective and it won't tell me anything. I wanted to know if people would've rather seen the higher performance or the battery. I have the higher performance version and my phone has a smaller battery than the Pixel's but my battery lasts a lot more than the day long expectation I have. So I wonder why Google felt they needed better battery life because if my battery lasts a crazy long time, the Pixels would naturally last longer. It just feels like you didn't need more battery life but every phone could always use more performance. I presume your phone keeps charge for two full days. Do you really feel your phone benefits from that 5% battery life boost when you could've had 10% performance boost instead? (Performance that would come in handy, especially when driving that QHD display on High end VR Games down the road). The choice just doesn't make sense to me from Google's standpoint, so I figured I would find out how the owners of the phone felt about it.
Btw, I don't put custom ROMs on my devices anymore unless it is absolutely necessary. I've rarely seen a good one and still not as smooth as stock android.
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To me personally this phone does miss a beat. If you're worried about performance don't be. I haven't had a single moment where my phone slows down or freezes or anything. Ive had it down to 475mb of ram once. And this thing never slowed down. The speed stayed the same. But that's just from personal experience. So those are my 2 cents. ????
Xt51 said:
To me personally this phone does miss a beat. If you're worried about performance don't be. I haven't had a single moment where my phone slows down or freezes or anything. Ive had it down to 475mb of ram once. And this thing never slowed down. The speed stayed the same. But that's just from personal experience. So those are my 2 cents. ????
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Obviously you meant to say, "To me personally this phone does NOT miss a beat."
Not worried about general performance, I knew that would be fantastic regardless of the SD821 they chose. I mean Google coded the Pixel end to end and regardless of which version of the CPU they decided to use, it was going to run butter no matter what. Just to me, when your battery is already leaving you wonder if you will ever need to charge it again, then 10% performance gain is more valuable to me than 5% battery. To some, that 5% battery might be better if they will never game. For me, I want to put VR games on it that will push it to its limits. I just wish they would've come out with two versions and given the consumer the choice. I really wanted to be first in line for updates, but it's okay I love my phone.
Have any of you tried out Daydream VR yet?
Eh....phone is butter....battery is butter...don't give a hoot about 0.1 of a clock speed difference....don't care about benchmarks...don't care if the phone does happen to jank on a game because more than likely it'll be a poorly coded one. Remember, not all stuttering is because of a phone's specs. Sometimes people just suck at coding.
Trust me that 10% difference will never be noticeable in real life usage.
If you never used a custom ROM that performs better then stock? PureNexus everrytime performs better on the Nexus phones. The developer will also release a Pixel rom, PurePixel?
You can always get that extra performance with a little modding.
No reason not to use the custom rom. More features then stock, performs better in speed, battery life and is updated with security updates.
Only reason I have not bought the Pixel yet is because first thing I will do is unlock bootloader. Install TWRP and custom rom. That's not available yet.
Blues-n-Blazin said:
Does it tick anyone off that Google put a 'SD821' in your phone, downclocked it to exact SD820 speeds, then sells it as a SD821? The difference between the two is that Qualcomm essentially overclocked the SD820 and called it the SD821 as the two have the same architecture. Then Google apparently downclocks them back down to stock speed and still calls them the Pro chip? Sounds like false advertising that they got around by advertising the downclocked speeds. They knew most customers just care that 821 is bigger than 820, as they don't pay attention the the real tech specs. The SD821 does offer better power consumption efficiency and downclocking will make that actually show, but when the battery easily lasts more than all day, I would rather have the performance increase, but maybe that is just me.
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Nope
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Blues-n-Blazin said:
Okay so Google opted for a 5% battery gain instead of a 10% performance gain? I'm glad I chose the latter.
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