I haven't seen this topic show up on this forum and I had a couple of questions so...... im very interested to know what you guys think of AT&T's upcoming NFC program ISIS? Also does anyone know when we can expect it to be available?
AFAIK its launched in two area atm like a pilot program i believe on of the areas is texas the other then name escapes me.
DJSYNTHVIRUS said:
AFAIK its launched in two area atm like a pilot program i believe on of the areas is texas the other then name escapes me.
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I didn't know that thanks! Im hoping it will be useful.
I just find it stupid that AT&T is dumping Google Wallet in favor of a system that isn't even ready yet.
Way to give us NFC without it really being useful. (I mean, there's Android Beam, which is cool, but not really useful...)
Xodium said:
I just find it stupid that AT&T is dumping Google Wallet in favor of a system that isn't even ready yet.
Way to give us NFC without it really being useful. (I mean, there's Android Beam, which is cool, but not really useful...)
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Classic AT&T fail...
It really isn't a fail on AT&T's part. Google Wallet isn't doing that fantastic, especially with how few companies are accepting it. Yea, ISIS isn't ready to go yet, however I live in SLC, one of the main areas that ISIS will be launching at in the summer, and at least 1 in 3 stores has already signed on and started preparing for the switch, UTA (the transit system out here) has also signed on and are making adjustments. Once ISIS is out, it will have a much stronger chance of doing well right out of the gate compared to Google Wallet.
Yes, it required a delay for AT&T users before we get to use NFC for payments, however choosing to back a program that now has a strong backing from companies as well as banks/credit card providers, ISIS really was a good decision.
Sure they could have put their eggs in both baskets, but that probably wouldn't have worked out too well, after all, one of the two would have tried to force them into one corner or the other.
It is not just AT&T. The whole ISIS initiative is a joint venture between AT&T, T-mobile, and Verizon. That is why when the Google Wallet first launched it could only be used on the Samsung Galaxy Nexus from Sprint.
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It really isn't a fail on AT&T's part. Google Wallet isn't doing that fantastic, especially with how few companies are accepting it. Yea, ISIS isn't ready to go yet, however I live in SLC, one of the main areas that ISIS will be launching at in the summer, and at least 1 in 3 stores has already signed on and started preparing for the switch, UTA (the transit system out here) has also signed on and are making adjustments. Once ISIS is out, it will have a much stronger chance of doing well right out of the gate compared to Google Wallet.
Yes, it required a delay for AT&T users before we get to use NFC for payments, however choosing to back a program that now has a strong backing from companies as well as banks/credit card providers, ISIS really was a good decision.
Sure they could have put their eggs in both baskets, but that probably wouldn't have worked out too well, after all, one of the two would have tried to force them into one corner or the other.
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Yes, this is also true. People are blaming just their networks, but Google is at fault here too. They have been very slow in everything that relates to Google Wallet. Getting retailer support isn't actually a problem for Wallet, since it uses PayPass which is already quite popular. But getting more support for phones, especially internationally, is very important, and Google have failed badly at this.
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Yes, this is also true. People are blaming just their networks, but Google is at fault here too. They have been very slow in everything that relates to Google Wallet. Getting retailer support isn't actually a problem for Wallet, since it uses PayPass which is already quite popular. But getting more support for phones, especially internationally, is very important, and Google have failed badly at this.
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Not to mention the fact that Google didn't really pursue adding more carriers early on. First they wanted extensive testing to insure it was ready for a large scale launch. Unfortunately by the time they were ready to bring in everyone else, T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T had decided not to wait but instead to help start up something new. Honestly, I'm excited because ISIS looks very promising.
Blaming AT&T, or for that matter any carrier other than Sprint, or not waiting on Google to let them in on G-Wallet is kinda pointless, after all no business wants to wait, they want to get in on the action and try to beat the competition.
Google is just piggy back ridding off of PayPass. I'm positive Google Wallet will be accepted by every NFC payment system.
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It is not just AT&T. The whole ISIS initiative is a joint venture between AT&T, T-mobile, and Verizon. That is why when the Google Wallet first launched it could only be used on the Samsung Galaxy Nexus from Sprint.
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A slight correction - Google Wallet launched on the Nexus S 4G on Sprint in ~September 2011 via an OTA.
There are a few things to understand about the release and development of an application like this.
1) To release an application you have to have it available to devices.
- AT&T, Verizon, and TMobile have basically stopped the release of this app by preventing it from being installed on over 80% of the phones in the US.
2) Wallet is just as good as any other app out there, and could be better with a large company like Google behind it.
- Knowing that they would not be able to install on the majority of phones, development probably got put on the back burner.
3) AT&T, Verizon and TMobile in may ways have jointly killed the Wallet project since Google decided not to go to court to fight for the app to be released on their networks.
4) The Wallet application CAN run on any network, it is just software.
5) In no way is Google responsible for the success or lack of it with Wallet. In this case, they tried to release it with the intention of having it on all Nexus phones and the carriers stopped it.
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5) In no way is Google responsible for the success or lack of it with Wallet. In this case, they tried to release it with the intention of having it on all Nexus phones and the carriers stopped it.
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Google are not obliged to block Wallet from showing up in the Play Store for certain networks. Like you said, Wallet will work on any network.
Apple would have no trouble installing their own Wallet solution, regardless of the networks' reluctance. It's because Google are '*****es' to the networks - they do whatever the networks tell them to. That's why their own 'pure' Google devices like the Verizon Nexus have bloat and branding on them. That's never been the case with Apple. Apple puts their foot down, and the networks have no choice but to comply with Apple. It's not the same for Google. They're pushovers.
Google could of course release Wallet in the European markets, where they already have money handling licences for the web version of Google Wallet and where consumers aren't so heavily reliant on networks when purchasing phones. But they haven't done this.
So, yes, the eventual failure of Google Wallet will be down to Google.
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Anyone know if Google Wallet will be able to be ported over to the Galaxy Nexus? I'm going to miss being able to use my phone to pay for things, as I've grown somewhat accustomed to being able to do it. lol I love going to Dairy Queen, or Best Buy, or the drug store and just tapping my phone. I'd love to be able to do it on the Galaxy Nexus.
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Anyone know if Google Wallet will be able to be ported over to the Galaxy Nexus? I'd love to be able to do it on the Galaxy Nexus.
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Should not need to be ported, GNex has NFC
NFC is just a chip. You still need the software to use it. For example, I used Google Wallet on my Nexus S (which has a NFC chip). Without software to use the NFC chip with, it's useless. In other words, you have to have some sort of payment software on the phone in order to make use of the NFC as a form of payment.
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Should not need to be ported, GNex has NFC
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NFC is a chip. Google Wallet is an app that lets you use NFC for payments.
For example, only the Sprint Nexus S 4G officially has google wallet. The T-mo Nexus S doesn't. Neither do the SGSII varieties with NFC.
OP, I'd assume that once they have it working for ICS they'll make it happen with an update, but I'm not sure whats holding them from just launching with it.... then again they still haven't given it to the T-mo Nexus S lol so idk what's going on.
I'm really looking forward to Google Wallet too.
While there has been no official announcement, I don't ever think the Verizon version will ever see Google Wallet. Verizon has teamed up with T-Mobile and AT&T to put together Isis, a competitor to Google Wallet. Thats why we only see Google Wallet or Sprint.
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NFC is a chip. Google Wallet is an app that lets you use NFC for payments.
For example, only the Sprint Nexus S 4G officially has google wallet. The T-mo Nexus S doesn't. Neither do the SGSII varieties with NFC.
OP, I'd assume that once they have it working for ICS they'll make it happen with an update, but I'm not sure whats holding them from just launching with it.... then again they still haven't given it to the T-mo Nexus S lol so idk what's going on.
I'm really looking forward to Google Wallet too.
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Well I have a T-mobile Nexus S that I use Google wallet on. Of course it isn't officially supported, but they ported it over from the Sprint Nexus S. I was just holding out hope that it might be possible to bring it to the Galaxy Nexus. lol of course this is just a hope. I'm not sure what libs or framework is needed for it to work.
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Well I have a T-mobile Nexus S that I use Google wallet on. Of course it isn't officially supported, but they ported it over from the Sprint Nexus S. I was just holding out hope that it might be possible to bring it to the Galaxy Nexus. lol of course this is just a hope. I'm not sure what libs or framework is needed for it to work.
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I get a little miffed every time I see a google wallet enabled payment system and I can't use it on my TMo nexus s 'officially'.
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I get a little miffed every time I see a google wallet enabled payment system and I can't use it on my TMo nexus s 'officially'.
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Yeah you would think that "officially" you'd be able to do it. Heck all Google would have to do is just put the app in the market to be downloaded and they wouldn't have to deal with the carriers at all (I think lol). But hey, gotta love the guys here at XDA, that got us around all that and brought it to the tmobile nexus. I'm just hoping it can be done on the Galaxy Nexus too.
Consider yourselves lucky that you can even use a hacked version on your phones.
What about us poor saps in Australia who can install the app and use it, but can't add any funds to it. I really don't understand why Google choose to operate like this.
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Consider yourselves lucky that you can even use a hacked version on your phones.
What about us poor saps in Australia who can install the app and use it, but can't add any funds to it. I really don't understand why Google choose to operate like this.
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Perhaps there are legal issues with it. I have no idea. I just wish a standard would be established already so that we can use it in our day to day. I love using my phone to pay for things! lol
I loved wallet on my tmobile nexus
It worked flawlessly
I was hoping for a gs2 port but that never took place.
Why wouldnt the flagship device for google have wallet pre installed ?
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Is wallet available outside the US? If not, then it may not be on the gsm version since it's not being sold in the states.
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Is wallet available outside the US? If not, then it may not be on the gsm version since it's not being sold in the states.
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It's a US-only service, yes. It's just an app so nothing is stopping them from supporting it on the GSM/HSPA version.
I thought the Google Wallet app just makes sure the credit card data travels a save way from the NFC sender to NFC receiver. I don't see how it'd be US-centric, when there's no mobile data involved in the transaction, since Google said that it doesn't require a data connection.
Also, I've read people in Germany using their German T-Mobile Nexus S to pay at the very few Paypass terminals in that country.
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I thought the Google Wallet app just makes sure the credit card data travels a save way from the NFC sender to NFC receiver. I don't see how it'd be US-centric, when there's no mobile data involved in the transaction, since Google said that it doesn't require a data connection.
Also, I've read people in Germany using their German T-Mobile Nexus S to pay at the very few Paypass terminals in that country.
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I meant it as in "the service is currently available in the US only". As far as I know Google has only officially launched the service in the US as of yet. That could just have been a marketing thing though. I'm not sure if it works fine if a seller outside the US just plugs in a comatible NFC-enabled terminal.
Actually, the relevant standard is called Paypass and used outside of the US. In Europe, there's various sort of cards being distributed by Visa, Mastercard and sorts. But apparently there's a RFID version of Paypass, and a superset that does NFC. The current distributed cards are RFID. But there appear to be NFC capable terminals in at least Germany.
From what I could gather, Google Wallet does Paypass NFC. It seems mostly a matter of getting it to install and run on a phone that's not the Spring Nexus S.
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Actually, the relevant standard is called Paypass and used outside of the US. In Europe, there's various sort of cards being distributed by Visa, Mastercard and sorts. But apparently there's a RFID version of Paypass, and a superset that does NFC. The current distributed cards are RFID. But there appear to be NFC capable terminals in at least Germany.
From what I could gather, Google Wallet does Paypass NFC. It seems mostly a matter of getting it to install and run on a phone that's not the Spring Nexus S.
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Interesting. So it's nothing specific needed on the merchant's side other than an NFC-compatible paypass terminal? How does the service work software wise? They could very well have limits on the cards you can use it with.
You might want to check this out.
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I loved wallet on my tmobile nexus
It worked flawlessly
I was hoping for a gs2 port but that never took place.
Why wouldnt the flagship device for google have wallet pre installed ?
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This is the same thing that I was thinking. This is supposed to be the flagship device...you'd think it would already have Wallet on it...or at least have it available.
Here's a 17-yo Brit's contribution to this (and his first ever to the Android communication - received my first Android phone 3 days ago!):
Google Wallet can be "enticed" to run on the Galaxy Nexus. I'm still waiting for an attempt to test it, so we may find out if it works on Monday.
I used the "googlewalletfix_1.1R38v5_ICS_aok.zip" file (no credit to me - found it elsewhere on these forums) - I did the following (with MoDaCo custom ROM):
Flashed MoDaCo, flashed googlewalletfix, reboot to "proper"
Found Google Wallet wasn't installed
Open root terminal, cd to /mnt/sdcard/gw/
mount -o remount,rw /data/system
cp system/app/NfcGoogle.apk /system/app/NfcGoogle.apk # this is probably a terrible, terrible thing to do to your phone. Turn NFC off first and cross your fingers!
cp system/app/Wallet.apk /system/app/Wallet.apk
I saw some logcat entries telling me it was doing something with my newly positioned apk and lo-and-behold, Wallet was installed and would allow me to get a prepaid Google card!
I attached some pretty pictures taken using the Dalvik Debug Monitor.
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Here's a 17-yo Brit's contribution to this (and his first ever to the Android communication - received my first Android phone 3 days ago!):
Google Wallet can be "enticed" to run on the Galaxy Nexus. I'm still waiting for an attempt to test it, so we may find out if it works on Monday.
I used the "googlewalletfix_1.1R38v5_ICS_aok.zip" file (no credit to me - found it elsewhere on these forums) - I did the following (with MoDaCo custom ROM):
Flashed MoDaCo, flashed googlewalletfix, reboot to "proper"
Found Google Wallet wasn't installed
Open root terminal, cd to /mnt/sdcard/gw/
mount -o remount,rw /data/system
cp system/app/NfcGoogle.apk /system/app/NfcGoogle.apk # this is probably a terrible, terrible thing to do to your phone. Turn NFC off first and cross your fingers!
cp system/app/Wallet.apk /system/app/Wallet.apk
I saw some logcat entries telling me it was doing something with my newly positioned apk and lo-and-behold, Wallet was installed and would allow me to get a prepaid Google card!
I attached some pretty pictures taken using the Dalvik Debug Monitor.
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Great work! Anyone willing to try this to see if it works? I'd try it but I don't have my Galaxy Nexus yet (thanks to Handtec....). Great to see progress being made so quickly.
Forgive me if this topic exist i managed to download google wallet but when i open the app it force closes anyone get it to work?
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I use Google wallet but I'm not aware of an app. It just stores my payment info. Confused on the app?!?
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You may want to check out this thread. Apparently these instructions are for installing Google Wallet on the Galaxy Nexus, and I'm not sure if it's very different from the T989 in regards to Google Wallet or not. That being said, it seems to be a pretty complicated hack to get this app working. Examples are this post and this one.
Good Luck..
I would love to get Google Wallet on the T989. I've tried the various methods described but so far have not had success. Others have said they have it working but for some reason the Google Gods have not deemed me worthy enough yet. I have, however, heard that it will be baked into the ICS rom so I stopped trying and decided to wait.
I'm just guessing but wallet should be here by the time samsung releases the official ics for our device I HOPE!! but from what i read that verizon blocked nexus from get google wallet, i just hope tmobile doesnt make that same mistake.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-06/tech/30481003_1_verizon-google-wallet-t-mobile
Sorry I posted my comments and links above, before checking out if anyone had posted about trying to get Google Wallet to run on the SGSII. Apparently folks have tried it out, and they started a thread right here about it. Unfortunately noone responding on the thread has it working either.
Good Luck..
I doubt we will see any stock ROM from our carrier with Google Wallet and here's the reason, IMHO. Verizon, TMO and AT&T have all blocked Google Wallet because they are in league with ISIS. I read somewhere that the carriers want to tie the credentials to a SIM card which would be a disincentive for people to change carriers. Google Wallet is carrier independent and can be easily moved from one device to another although I do recall reading somewhere that it might use the phones IMEI in some way. Regardless, the carriers will continue to block Google Wallet as much as they can in favor of ISIS and in the process slow down GW adoption and market momentum even tho ISIS is really still vaporware.
If Google was smart they would release an APK that enabled google wallet for everyone. The FTC has ruled that jailbreaking to add functionality is not illegal and for all intents and purposes, that's what we are doing when we "root" our phones. Someone could make a compelling argument against the DMCA and in favor of the FTC ruling giving us the license to add and use GW against the carrier wishes.
But then again... I can be wrong about all this and the carriers have our best interested at heart.
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I doubt we will see any stock ROM from our carrier with Google Wallet and here's the reason, IMHO. Verizon, TMO and AT&T have all blocked Google Wallet because they are in league with ISIS. I read somewhere that the carriers want to tie the credentials to a SIM card which would be a disincentive for people to change carriers. Google Wallet is carrier independent and can be easily moved from one device to another although I do recall reading somewhere that it might use the phones IMEI in some way. Regardless, the carriers will continue to block Google Wallet as much as they can in favor of ISIS and in the process slow down GW adoption and market momentum even tho ISIS is really still vaporware.
If Google was smart they would release an APK that enabled google wallet for everyone. The FTC has ruled that jailbreaking to add functionality is not illegal and for all intents and purposes, that's what we are doing when we "root" our phones. Someone could make a compelling argument against the DMCA and in favor of the FTC ruling giving us the license to add and use GW against the carrier wishes.
But then again... I can be wrong about all this and the carriers have our best interested at heart.
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I know it sucks googles allowing this on their os thats one thing ios has over android apple doesnt let carriers mess with their stuff
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Google wallet is in the market for one phone only. Nexus S 4g. And the phone has to be running ics for it to work. As soon as we get some form of ics on this phone, we will see access to Google wallet as well. Maybe not on an official level, but we will have it.
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Greetings! I'm getting conflicting information if this is actually working or not on AT&T network. Anyone have this working?
A recent news article mentions that AT&T has approved NFC on one x, but chatting with a AT&T Store Manager mentions NFC is still disabled for all devices... Can anyone confirm or deny? Any work arounds?
Thanks in advance!
You want this forum. This is the international One X forum and the AT&T one isn't the same. The AT&T One X is actually the "One XL" but they annoyingly called it the One X as well. The baseband, CPU and GPU are different in the One XL.
i have the international X model and it's on the ATT network, so this is in the right place. it's also been discussed already in topics about NFC and Google Wallet. i can vouch that it does not work with an ATT sim and it does not work with a Straight Talk sim. it's nice of them to list a feature that most people can't even use. they shouldn't even mention NFC on these phones if we can't use it properly. i'm not buying a bunch of tags to play with. that's not the point of NFC.
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i have the international X model and it's on the ATT network, so this is in the right place. it's also been discussed already in topics about NFC and Google Wallet. i can vouch that it does not work with an ATT sim and it does not work with a Straight Talk sim. it's nice of them to list a feature that most people can't even use. they shouldn't even mention NFC on these phones if we can't use it properly. i'm not buying a bunch of tags to play with. that's not the point of NFC.
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Nfc works fine on the international version on ATT. The carrier can't affect that unless they have a say in your rom. Since you don't get updates touched by ATT it's a non issue.
Google Wallet on the other hand doesn't work on the One X. This isn't a carrier issue. Complain to Google to authorize the device.
You can say what you like, but "the point" of nfc isn't Google Wallet. The point is NFC. Mobile payments are coming in the form of Isis wallet, carrier specific wallets, MasterCard now is developing a mobile payment system with nfc as well as google wallet. This is all a ways off though.
Don't purchase an emerging technology and then wine that you aren't surrounded with use cases. If you want to move to India or Japan they are much further forward in deploying nfc than the US.
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The carrier can't affect that unless they have a say in your rom. Since you don't get updates touched by ATT it's a non issue
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This isn't true. The carrier and Google have to have an agreement in place on a per device basis to use Google Wallet which is what most people in the U.S. relate to NFC. Under pressure, AT&T authorized the Nexi. They are the only devices allowed by AT&T to access Google Wallet via their network. And Google Wallet requires a carrier connection, it doesn't work over Wi-Fi.
There are hacks to spoof the network and in some cases you can even gain (unsecured) access to some of the features. But if you screw up the security token on your phone (which quite a few people have done) you'll never be able to use it with a payment system again and there is no recovery available.
NFC as a means of communication is very different than using it in conjunction with a payment system.
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Nfc works fine on the international version on ATT. The carrier can't affect that unless they have a say in your rom. Since you don't get updates touched by ATT it's a non issue.
Google Wallet on the other hand doesn't work on the One X. This isn't a carrier issue. Complain to Google to authorize the device.
You can say what you like, but "the point" of nfc isn't Google Wallet. The point is NFC. Mobile payments are coming in the form of Isis wallet, carrier specific wallets, MasterCard now is developing a mobile payment system with nfc as well as google wallet. This is all a ways off though.
Don't purchase an emerging technology and then wine that you aren't surrounded with use cases. If you want to move to India or Japan they are much further forward in deploying nfc than the US.
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thanks for your wonderful attitude. take your meds. explain to me the usefulness of nfc then. also i complained to google on play reviews for wallet. this forum is flooded with idiots. i should get a phone nobody is using or stop reading you people and just go to the dev threads.
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This isn't true. The carrier and Google have to have an agreement in place on a per device basis to use Google Wallet which is what most people in the U.S. relate to NFC. Under pressure, AT&T authorized the Nexi. They are the only devices allowed by AT&T to access Google Wallet via their network. And Google Wallet requires a carrier connection, it doesn't work over Wi-Fi.
There are hacks to spoof the network and in some cases you can even gain (unsecured) access to some of the features. But if you screw up the security token on your phone (which quite a few people have done) you'll never be able to use it with a payment system again and there is no recovery available.
NFC as a means of communication is very different than using it in conjunction with a payment system.
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NFC != Google Wallet. The fact remains ATT can't disable NFC on a device they have no control over. Google Wallet is an app the leverages NFC.
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brent8577 said:
thanks for your wonderful attitude. take your meds. explain to me the usefulness of nfc then. also i complained to google on play reviews for wallet. this forum is flooded with idiots. i should get a phone nobody is using or stop reading you people and just go to the dev threads.
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Speak for yourself before you dish out insults. Your phone has NFC and it WORKS. Google Wallet doesn't work by NFC DOES.
AT&T can NOT stop you from using NFC as a whole but they can stop you from using an app like Google Wallet that requires NFC.
NFC has always worked on your phone, you just think that means you can use Google Wallet when it doesn't.
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I've noticed on other sites that this comment by HTC has somehow convinced people it is possible to get an unlocked device on Verizon.
This is FALSE
Verizon will NOT activate a non-Verizon model of The One. I already tried to activate the Google Edition and failed. The rep told me "It's because it doesn't have Verizon software on it". I responded by saying "That's the whole point" and she didn't have much to say.
Nobody should think that this is about people trying to get "cheap" unlocked phones - it's about having ANY unlocked option.
This is about our ISP trying to control our computers hardware and software, and we need to recognize this and fight back. Otherwise, before you know it, Comcast will be forcing you to buy their computers and run their software just to use the internet.
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I've noticed on other sites that this comment by HTC has somehow convinced people it is possible to get an unlocked device on Verizon.
This is FALSE
Verizon will NOT activate a non-Verizon model of The One. I already tried to activate the Google Edition and failed. The rep told me "It's because it doesn't have Verizon software on it". I responded by saying "That's the whole point" and she didn't have much to say.
Nobody should think that this is about people trying to get "cheap" unlocked phones - it's about having ANY unlocked option.
This is about our ISP trying to control our computers hardware and software, and we need to recognize this and fight back. Otherwise, before you know it, Comcast will be forcing you to buy their computers and run their software just to use the internet.
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switch providers then.
Actually, they don't come with the CDMA radios that are necessary to operate on Verizon's network. The person you talked to didn't know what they're talking about, the device couldn't be activated even if the rep wanted to.
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firepacket said:
I've noticed on other sites that this comment by HTC has somehow convinced people it is possible to get an unlocked device on Verizon.
This is FALSE
Verizon will NOT activate a non-Verizon model of The One. I already tried to activate the Google Edition and failed. The rep told me "It's because it doesn't have Verizon software on it". I responded by saying "That's the whole point" and she didn't have much to say.
Nobody should think that this is about people trying to get "cheap" unlocked phones - it's about having ANY unlocked option.
This is about our ISP trying to control our computers hardware and software, and we need to recognize this and fight back. Otherwise, before you know it, Comcast will be forcing you to buy their computers and run their software just to use the internet.
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actually the verizon one is unlocked lol. that's probably what that supposed comment was talking about.
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actually the verizon one is unlocked lol. that's probably what that supposed comment was talking about.
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He means an unlocked phone being used on Verizon. Not a Verizon phone that's unlocked. Its a bit different. A Verizon phone that's unlocked is still set by default to Verizon but an unlocked phone cannot do Verizon voice (perhaps data I don't know)
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firepacket said:
I've noticed on other sites that this comment by HTC has somehow convinced people it is possible to get an unlocked device on Verizon.
This is FALSE
Verizon will NOT activate a non-Verizon model of The One. I already tried to activate the Google Edition and failed. The rep told me "It's because it doesn't have Verizon software on it". I responded by saying "That's the whole point" and she didn't have much to say.
Nobody should think that this is about people trying to get "cheap" unlocked phones - it's about having ANY unlocked option.
This is about our ISP trying to control our computers hardware and software, and we need to recognize this and fight back. Otherwise, before you know it, Comcast will be forcing you to buy their computers and run their software just to use the internet.
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Lol good job trying the google edition on VZW, given that it does not have a CDMA radio or the proper LTE bands
it also looks like if Verizon gets the Nexus 5, it will be its own version like the galaxy nexus. The version that passed through the FCC didn't have verizon bands.
cesium said:
Lol good job trying the google edition on VZW, given that it does not have a CDMA radio or the proper LTE bands
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Yeah I know, kinda stupid. But it was because I had just read this whole article about how if you wanted to get The One on VZW early, you could just buy the Google Play edition.
The website was also VERY unclear about carrier support. Without doing research on the exact frequencies, there was really no way for the average person to know that it wouldn't work on Verizon.
It honestly felt like I was duped. So I shipped the phone back to Google, but then they never issued me a refund even after 30 days. Only after calling my credit card company did they refund all but a 15% restocking fee. Doing business with Google blows.
firepacket said:
Yeah I know, kinda stupid. But it was because I had just read this whole article about how if you wanted to get The One on VZW early, you could just buy the Google Play edition.
The website was also VERY unclear about carrier support. Without doing research on the exact frequencies, there was really no way for the average person to know that it wouldn't work on Verizon.
It honestly felt like I was duped. So I shipped the phone back to Google, but then they never issued me a refund even after 30 days. Only after calling my credit card company did they refund all but a 15% restocking fee. Doing business with Google blows.
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TBH... it's your fault for trusting garbage blogspam. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but that's just what it boils down to. A quick 30 second look around the site shows that all they do is copy and paste the same filler text for each "article", change up a few words, and post it.
On top of that, it's common knowledge that Verizon is a CDMA carrier and does not just let you activate any random phone on their network. Only GSM carriers like AT&T and T-Mobile allow that.
wireroid said:
TBH... it's your fault for trusting garbage blogspam. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but that's just what it boils down to. A quick 30 second look around the site shows that all they do is copy and paste the same filler text for each "article", change up a few words, and post it.
On top of that, it's common knowledge that Verizon is a CDMA carrier and does not just let you activate any random phone on their network. Only GSM carriers like AT&T and T-Mobile allow that.
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I don't really care if you think it's my fault. Thanks for sharing though :good:
Just received an email from softcard that it will stop service from 3/31 because it's aquired by google. But google wallet is not supported by Note 3, now what...?
Swipe your card like a normal human being?
By the way, the Google Wallet app works just fine. I get notifications about half a second after I use my card, every time. Life goes on without tap & pay.
Swipe a card!
Heavens to Betsey!!!
Lol.
Pp.
Swipe your card like a normal human being?
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Swipe a card!
Heavens to Betsey!!!
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You guys are kind of jerks.
"I bought a phone that had feature X. Now feature X doesn't work. How do I get something equivalent?" Is perfectly valid. Just because you swipe your cards like damn savages doesn't mean we all choose to live that way.
X is the last feature I'd look for, I just want to have quality call and messaging features when choosing a phone.
Hope you didn't miss out on your corn nuts and mountain dew because of X feature not working!
Pp. Lol
God damn there is some whiny little *****es in the Note 3 community.
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Google Wallet works for me. I assume you heard it didn't work with the T-Mobile Note 3. That's because T-Mobile had originally decided to go with SoftCard and blocked Wallet. The email I got had a link to download Wallet.
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Google Wallet works for me. I assume you heard it didn't work with the T-Mobile Note 3. That's because T-Mobile had originally decided to go with SoftCard and blocked Wallet. The email I got had a link to download Wallet.
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Google Wallet has always worked on the TMO Note 3. It was the Tap-to-pay functionality that was missing in Google Wallet.
I hope it is working in the new Lollipop update that's in OTA right now. Otherwise it'll be a huge disappointment (NOT like I can't swipe a card, but because I want everything to work on my phone).
I called Wallet support 1-855-492-5538 and their csr stated tap and pay "will definitely work as long as software is up to date." Perhaps they activated it with the new lollipop release.
I have to retract what I posted last night about Google Wallet. Last night a CSR stated it would work "with the latest software". I even got an email to that effect. It doesn't. So I called Wallet this am and, after a long time waiting for them to "research", I was told Tap and Pay will NOT work with T-Mobile Note 3. I asked why it worked for SoftCard and received no logical response. So basically, we're SOL with Tap & Pay on Google Wallet.
tap and pay on lollypop
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I have to retract what I posted last night about Google Wallet. Last night a CSR stated it would work "with the latest software". I even got an email to that effect. It doesn't. So I called Wallet this am and, after a long time waiting for them to "research", I was told Tap and Pay will NOT work with T-Mobile Note 3. I asked why it worked for SoftCard and received no logical response. So basically, we're SOL with Tap & Pay on Google Wallet.
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Just got lollypop, still no tap and pay. Very disappointed. I don't buy that wallet can't work on the note 3. Softcard works and google purchased (and rightfully killed) them. So use how softcard worked with nfc to to make wallet work with tap and pay. The phone will do it, its the software that won't. give us a fix or a viable replacement for softcard. As to the whiners that say just swipe a card, this is a technology I want to support and is one reason I have a smart phone. You guys miss the point completely.
I agree, scottslc. I'd gotten used to using tap and pay. One thing I enjoyed was not having to actually carry credit cards. And, as some states are testing, you may soon have digital drivers licenses. For the Note 3 (and a couple of others) Samsung chose a different NFC chip, which is why SoftCard required the secure sim. Like you, I'm hoping Google will adapt their technology. If not, I might have to seriously consider another phone.