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The Best To Charge Battery?

Hi All, I have question. Which one better to charge
1. Wait until Battery level reach 15% or less
2. Charge it every we want it, example battery status in 40% because we want to travelling, we charge it until 100%
3. Charge it every morning
4. Other Tips?
Best Regards
Jauhari

Hello
You should just plug it in when ever you have the chance m8.
Li-ion and lipo batteries does not suffer from the memory effect as nicd and nimh batteries did.
The li-ion and lipo batteries will most likely die if you do a full discharge, but no worries, when your phone tells you that it's out of power, it's not fully discharged.
Your phone has at built in protection, that shuts down the phone before it uses all the power on the battery.
(Have been working with batterie for many years, as I have been flying eletric model airplanes, with all types of batteries)

There are a huge number of threads on this!
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highboy said:
Hello
You should just plug it in when ever you have the chance m8.
Li-ion and lipo batteries does not suffer from the memory effect as nicd and nimh batteries did.
The li-ion and lipo batteries will most likely die if you do a full discharge, but no worries, when your phone tells you that it's out of power, it's not fully discharged.
Your phone has at built in protection, that shuts down the phone before it uses all the power on the battery.
(Have been working with batterie for many years, as I have been flying eletric model airplanes, with all types of batteries)
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Thanks you for this tips... now I have more knowledge about battery.
A little bit question again.
What should I do, when I charge my HTC Desire? Keep this gadget turn on or turn off this gadget and turn on again when the charging has completed?

ardsar said:
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I am sorry for doing the some question. I was tried to search on this forum but I can't find it... this forum search didn't good jobs

jauhari said:
Thanks you for this tips... now I have more knowledge about battery.
A little bit question again.
What should I do, when I charge my HTC Desire? Keep this gadget turn on or turn off this gadget and turn on again when the charging has completed?
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Just keep it turned on m8.

leaving it on has a disadvantage
as soon as battery is full, it discharges. at a certain point it would charge again.
you lose unneccessary charging cycles for your battery. so charge over night with turned off handset.

Not true really. The life of Li-ion batteries is mainly rated in full charge/discharge cycles between what the manufacturer recommends as the limits. Fox max life this is often a maximum of 80%SOC and min of 20%. They ship them about 40% SOC as this is where they have longest shelf life. The phone manages these limits for you so you don't need to worry. The best thing to do is to keep it topped up but let it run down enough during the day, or it reduces battery life (think laptop that gets left plugged in Vs one that gets discharged a bit per day - leaving it plugged in kills the battery).
IMHO - Use it until your next at a charger be that at 70% or 7%.
JAmes.

This thread here might be a good reference for this topic.

jauhari said:
Hi All, I have question. Which one better to charge
1. Wait until Battery level reach 15% or less
2. Charge it every we want it, example battery status in 40% because we want to travelling, we charge it until 100%
3. Charge it every morning
4. Other Tips?
Best Regards
Jauhari
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1. I always try to charge it 10-15%
2. Sometimes i do charge it if the battery is 40% and im worried it might not last because i go somwhere, so charge it till full and unplug
3. Most of the time i charge it over night having the phone on.
Right now, end of day 2 and battery level is at 29%, probably due to 3g turned off as got connection failed error for couple days and cant connect :<

Put my new second battery to charge last night around 9pm - turned Desire off. The green light came after midnight, but I let the charger stay on. I disconnected the cable around 9am this morning - and the phone was on!!
It looks the phone turns on automatically when its fully charged(???!!!)
The charge was 94% with the green light on. Makes me doubt if the suggested (see other threads) initial charge needs to be 12hours. :/

Best advice for sharging battery for first use out of box?

so what is the best thing to do?
is there any way of charging,dis charging ect to get the best battery life?
or should i just charg it to 100% and use it right away?
i did a charging squence with my nexus s. but duno about the Gn.

for me is to turn on the device and start working until the battery drops to 0-1%.
only then im charging it X2 then needed to go to 100%, you can make it Double if you want.

Well, this is going to be one of those threads where everyone has their own little way to care for a battery and others say their way is better, etc, etc the arguments breaking out which will result in people posting www.batteryuniversity.com in an effort to win said arguments.
Here's mine. On a brand new phone, I put the battery in, boot up, connect the charger, run it to 100%, disconnect charge, run battery all the way down, connect the charge, run to 100% and go about my life charging when I need to.
My two cents. Have no idea if it does any good, but my SGSII is going on 1 day 14 hrs on a single charge, so it must work somehow...

ericshmerick said:
Well, this is going to be one of those threads where everyone has their own little way to care for a battery and others say their way is better, etc, etc the arguments breaking out which will result in people posting www.batteryuniversity.com in an effort to win said arguments.
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100% Agree. There will be a lot of different opinions.
ericshmerick said:
Here's mine. On a brand new phone, I put the battery in, boot up, connect the charger, run it to 100%, disconnect charge, run battery all the way down, connect the charge, run to 100% and go about my life charging when I need to.
My two cents. Have no idea if it does any good, but my SGSII is going on 1 day 14 hrs on a single charge, so it must work somehow...
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My way,
Turn on phone, charge it to 100%, leave it plugged for an extra 20 min, and start using it normally.
The only time I discharge a battery is after a couple of months. Because we never charge it to 100% and they start creating memory and charging less and less every time. The purpose of discharging it completely is to erase its memory. That's why when it is new, I see no point on discharging it completely. Batteries suffer every time they are completely discharged and if they are left 100% for a long period of time, thats why new batteries always come charged about 50%, to extend battery life since they may be stored for a long period of time. (ref. aviation school)
Just my 2 cents.

sstang2006 said:
The only time I discharge a battery is after a couple of months. Because we never charge it to 100% and they start creating memory and charging less and less every time. The purpose of discharging it completely is to erase its memory. That's why when it is new, I see no point on discharging it completely. (ref. aviation school)
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That hasn't been true since NiCd's in the 1980s.
Modern Lithium-Ion and Lithium-Polymer batteries have no "memory" and are actively damaged if allowed to discharge fully.

HooloovooUK said:
That hasn't been true since NiCd's in the 1980s.
Modern Lithium-Ion and Lithium-Polymer batteries have no "memory" and are actively damaged if allowed to discharge fully.
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OK, I may be wrong I'm no expert.
Why do people keep discharging them to 0% if they have no memory? (I'm not been sarcastic)

sstang2006 said:
Why do people keep discharging them to 0% if they have no memory? (I'm not been sarcastic)
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Generally because they don't know any better and they don't realise battery technology has moved on.

Because batteries "back in the days" were quite sensitive to memory. That's why we were all raised by the complete-discharge-mantra, which sticks with you forever. The next generation won't have this problem and will feel free to charge their phones when they want to. ;-)

sstang2006 said:
OK, I may be wrong I'm no expert.
Why do people keep discharging them to 0% if they have no memory? (I'm not been sarcastic)
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Becouse android in itself keeps a battery log, it is from this log your device calculates the amount of battery you have left. To keep these values true (calibrated) you should do 2-3 cycles where you on purchase, discharge fully until device auto shut down, start it WITHOUT charge a couple of times and let it die to set the min value, charge up to 100%, use your device again till auto shut down... you dont have to worry about damaging your battery in this case since your device it programmed to shut down with good marginal of battery depletion. What you SHOULD NOT do is leave an empty battery uncharged for a long period of time.
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Lithium batteries will be damaged if they are stored fully charged or fully discharged for extended periods of time. Thats why the battery is about half charged when its new. They have no memory effect, they just loose capacity.
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Tjotte said:
Becouse android in itself keeps a battery log, it is from this log your device calculates the amount of battery you have left. To keep these values true (calibrated) you should do 2-3 cycles where you on purchase, discharge fully until device auto shut down, start it WITHOUT charge a couple of times and let it die to set the min value, charge up to 100%, use your device again till auto shut down... you dont have to worry about damaging your battery in this case since your device it programmed to shut down with good marginal of battery depletion. What you SHOULD NOT do is leave an empty battery uncharged for a long period of time.
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Good point. While it's important not to fully discharge the battery too often, there is also the issue of calibrating the battery meter.

ericshmerick said:
Well, this is going to be one of those threads where everyone has their own little way to care for a battery and others say their way is better, etc, etc the arguments breaking out which will result in people posting www.batteryuniversity.com in an effort to win said arguments.
Here's mine. On a brand new phone, I put the battery in, boot up, connect the charger, run it to 100%, disconnect charge, run battery all the way down, connect the charge, run to 100% and go about my life charging when I need to.
My two cents. Have no idea if it does any good, but my SGSII is going on 1 day 14 hrs on a single charge, so it must work somehow...
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That's exactly what I do, had 14 hours of moderate use today and still had 45% left. More than happy with that. It seems to be getting better each day at the moment.

Crin said:
That's exactly what I do, had 14 hours of moderate use today and still had 45% left. More than happy with that. It seems to be getting better each day at the moment.
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78% after 14 hours here, but that's light use.

sstang2006 said:
OK, I may be wrong I'm no expert.
Why do people keep discharging them to 0% if they have no memory? (I'm not been sarcastic)
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The whole "discharging the battery fully" thing doesn't really apply here - because nobody will ever fully discharge it. The Nexus uses a Lithium Ion cell - it's a single cell, with a nominal voltage of 3.6V. When fully charged, it peaks at 4.2V (at which point, the charging circuitry cuts off to avoid overcharging). However, when we "fully discharge" our phones, the cell only goes as low as 3.5V - and then the phone shuts off.
In reality, lithium cells can discharge to around 3.0V before any damage occurs. However, this would yield very little extra battery life. Stopping at 3.5V provides a wide safety margin (lithium cells are potentially dangerous if overcharged/discharged), whilst extending cell life.
In a nutshell - don't worry about running your phone down to 0% (unless you're putting it in storage, in which case leave it at about 60%). In fact, it's a good thing with a new phone, as cycling (charging and discharging a cell) helps to "wake" the cell up and reach it's max capacity more quickly.
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i see some good ideas about charging and discharging.
but it is indeed a fact that 100% and 0%(real) isnt good for our new race of battery's.
but a few posts here already tell how and what.
and its not gonna be a thread of arguments and stuff,if we all keep it in our heads that we just want to share our tip's of how you think its the best way(and have some experience with it)
just to share some info. and not compete the info against each other.
i well know there are different ways. but its always nice to read what experience people have with it to make a choice for my own and any other wanting to know this.
and i posted here in the GN section,instead of the Android section because each phone handles battery different,and this narrows the options down to a single device :3

Just keep in mind it's not just about the battery itself it's about the software registering how much actual power the battery has at a certain time, so if the battery has in actuality 100% charge in it, and the software reads 80 then your phone will die out sooner. So charging and discharging is good because it calibrates the hardware with the software. Just remember to switch off the device then charge it so the software doesn't auto discharge when it thinks the battery reached 100%.

K i just skipped thru the posts, gonna throw in my input real quick.
Basically just run down the battery. Once it turns off, hold the power button to make sure all the juice is gone. Then charge it up to 100% and leave it there for a good hour. Now (root required) download https://market.android.com/details?...yLDEsImNvbS5uZW1hLmJhdHRlcnljYWxpYnJhdGlvbiJd and follow the instructions .. its not exactly necessary but a nice thing "just in case" .
thats my plan anyways.

Nutsonfire said:
Lithium batteries will be damaged if they are stored fully charged or fully discharged for extended periods of time. Thats why the battery is about half charged when its new. They have no memory effect, they just loose capacity.
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Where does the loosed capacity go? Can it be caught?

And what do you think about charging with the phone being switched on? Is it better to have it switched off?
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juniorbattle said:
And what do you think about charging with the phone being switched on? Is it better to have it switched off?
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Won't make a difference.. Phones are designed to be left on anyway.

Battery charge from 80% to 100%=(

Hi, sry for my english=(
When i charge my battery its normally charge to 80% and then becomes 100%.
Try calibrate battery but this doesnt help. Also try another roms and kernels.
Is it a battery issue?

U can buy new battery from DEALEXTREME.com

so its the only way?

Try this.
Charge battery to full. Leave plugged in, Turn off fastboot in power settings and shut phone off. Light will turn orange again and let it charge til green. Boot into recovery and wipe battery stats. After this let the battery drain as low as 10% before recharging to full without unplugging. Do this a few times over a few days. If you don't get more accurate percentages after this then the battery could be messed up.

Gizmoe said:
Try this.
Charge battery to full. Leave plugged in, Turn off fastboot in power settings and shut phone off. Light will turn orange again and let it charge til green. Boot into recovery and wipe battery stats. After this let the battery drain as low as 10% before recharging to full without unplugging. Do this a few times over a few days. If you don't get more accurate percentages after this then the battery could be messed up.
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thx i will try.

i have the exact same issue. i have done battery stat wipe..flashed multiple roms over and over with full wipe and all that. battery charges up to 80% then the LED turns green..and stays that way till it reaches 100%. it jumps from 80% to 100% in just a few minutes.

battery jump
I wouldn't worry Lendlord mine does the same (see attached pic) you can see the green line jumps up from 80 to 100 but doesn't jump down from 100 to 80 under use. The picture is taken from Battery monitor widget, it's a great app which shows mv, ma, % and temp and even keeps a text log of what ma drain there has been allowing you to monitor battery drain while you're using your phone or while it is sleeping.
Here's a great guide aswell of how to ensure best battery life by memnoc:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1226016

so thats mean that some battaries have the same issue=( And there is no solution for it...
HTC failed again...
first GPS and now the battery. Bad, very bad!
And one more request.
Can someone post your current widget log?

LendLord said:
so thats mean that some battaries have the same issue=( And there is no solution for it...
HTC failed again...
first GPS and now the battery. Bad, very bad!
And one more request.
Can someone post your current widget log?
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I have the same thing happen to mine, i think its because you've let your DHD die due to low battery levels and that damages the battery which i think causes this problem

..letting the phone shut off because of a completely discharged battery is NOT good for the lifetime of Li-ION batteries.
The battery could be hurt and the amount of mAh the battery is able to store might be lower after.
Also trying to 'pump' the battery to fully charge by connecting / disconnecting while the phone is down is not a good advice because li-ion batteries also don't like overcharging.
To be sure that the battery is fully charged due to its ability it is sufficient to let the phone be conectet to charger or usb overnight.
Android uses the voltage of the battery to estimate (!) the % charge value.
Android supposes the battery is fully charged when it enters the voltage of about 4.2 Volt which is the charging cut-off voltage for li-ion cells.
Now when charging again the conceded voltage is reached more quickly than estimated by android, so the system is 'surprised' of this rapid charge and changes the % value to 100% because the conceded voltage is reached more quicklyy as supposed.
(Try to fill a 0.5ltr beer bottle into a 0.33 glass)
This is the normal of aging for li-ion batteries.
Consider for yourself if it's acceptable for you or if you should by a new battery.
by the way... be careful with cheap china batteries for 10$.
Offers with exaggerated values (up to 1600mAh) will mostly keep their promises
only for the first two or three charges only and will than fall back to 800 mAh or even less !
Greetz
Pudel

Yeah...
My battery started to do the same thing for a week or two. It will charge to 86% then it jumps to 100%, saying it's charged.

This is normal afaik, nothing to worry about.
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solve
actually，it's the problem of your rom , in the framwork.apk . unzip it you will get a lot of battery icon form 1%to 100% in the res file ，if it made mistake，that 'your problem. you can go to uot kitchen to coustom it again.

Nope!
I've solved my problem. I've bought a new (original) htc battery, and the new one works great. I haven't reflashed the rom, or made any new modification. Just added the new battery.
So, yes, it's a faulty battery.

LendLord said:
Hi, sry for my english=(
When i charge my battery its normally charge to 80% and then becomes 100%.
Try calibrate battery but this doesnt help. Also try another roms and kernels.
Is it a battery issue?
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Download Current widget from market and charge ur phone then wait for the 0 ma then download the battery calibration app from market too and calibrate and unplug ur phone, u can aslo reboot to recovery and wipe battery stats hope it helped you

[Q] How to first charge Li-pol ?

Hi
Need Li-pol battery any important charging cycles or anything ?

Sramie said:
Hi
Need Li-pol battery any important charging cycles or anything ?
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My tips would be :
- When you get the device instantly start charging it and don't use it in the meanwhile (or if you can't wait, start using it but still charge it from the start).
- Let it charge 8 hours the first time (even thou green light starts blinking after 2-3 hours)
Tips for later use :
- This kind of battery does not need a full discharge to keep it's full capacity. You better just charge it every night no matter how much % left. Letting the device go to very low % has no good influence on the battery life and therefore shouldn't be done on purpose.

H-Cim said:
My tips would be :
- When you get the device instantly start charging it and don't use it in the meanwhile (or if you can't wait, start using it but still charge it from the start).
- Let it charge 8 hours the first time (even thou green light starts blinking after 2-3 hours)
Tips for later use :
- This kind of battery does not need a full discharge to keep it's full capacity. You better just charge it every night no matter how much % left. Letting the device go to very low % has no good influence on the battery life and therefore shouldn't be done on purpose.
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I've always discharged the battery first and then do the 8 hour charge.

Phone shuts down at 14%

So, I bought another battery. Will this sort it?
Also, what's the usual procedure?
Should I charge the battery to full in the phone (turned off) then boot, set up, then charge again and reset battery stats?

The problem is that the battery control chip doesn't take into account that the battery ages.
Resetting battery stats or charging while turned off will only clear the stats you see in the settings menu. This guide will make your battery drain to 0% again: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1534892
I don't know what a new battery will do though.

I gathered that, but as the phone is going to a new user (my stepson) we got him a new battery anyway
I just wondered what the correct procedure is. I know you need to do a first charge with a new battery, as with a new phone, however, this phone obviously has a working ROM already on it.
So, the phone is charging now, switched off. Should I turn it on, use a little, then use the battery calibration app to delete the stats and then drain to 0%?

Kryten2k35 said:
I know you need to do a first charge with a new battery, as with a new phone
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Well, that assumption is probably inherited from the NiHM batteries in the past, because it's not needed with Li-Ion batteries. In fact charging to 80% is better than charging to 100% and keeping it plugged in.
You can read more about it here and here.
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So, the phone is charging now, switched off. Should I turn it on, use a little, then use the battery calibration app to delete the stats and then drain to 0%?
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Just charge it and use it for a full cycle. If it shuts down at 15%, you can try the battery calibration from the thread I mentioned above. If it doesn't, you're battery capacity is the same as the one the battery chip has calculated, which is good.

So, why does the first charge take so long?
This thing is still charging and it's been on the charger for 3 hours, whereas usually it'd be charged fully by now.
Been like that for every Li-Ion battery I've ever had (including my S3, took around 6 hours to charge, usually takes 3).
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Just to clarify, I don't intend on leaving it past the green light. As soon as it says it's full I'll be taking it off charge and not trying ot overcharge it. But I still have the orange charging light after 3-4 hours.

To be honest, I don't know. Maybe it's a safety to prevent overcharging. Coincidentally, I've got exactly the same issue now. I asked about it in the calibration thread. I suppose it's normal, but I'm not sure about that.

Kryten2k35 said:
So, why does the first charge take so long?
This thing is still charging and it's been on the charger for 3 hours, whereas usually it'd be charged fully by now.
Been like that for every Li-Ion battery I've ever had (including my S3, took around 6 hours to charge, usually takes 3).
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Just to clarify, I don't intend on leaving it past the green light. As soon as it says it's full I'll be taking it off charge and not trying ot overcharge it. But I still have the orange charging light after 3-4 hours.
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my battery took just over 6 hours to charge the other day from completly dead
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