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Lumia 900 vs Skyrocket

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402556,00.asp
Went through the article where they compared the new windows phone flagship to our phone's twin brother.
What's everyone's thoughts on WP?
I've always gotten Nokia phones, solid and reliable (Still have my E63, my reliable backup! Smartphone with 5 days battery ). But once symbian died and iOS+Android began dominating I switched to android. I wish Nokia had joined the Android train but they didn't...but I've played with and seen all the stuff about WP, and I think it could be a promising competitor if Nokia and Microsoft play their cards right.
But for now...the t989 and Skyrocket win in my book in terms of performance, utility, and apps. But having used FB and Twitter integration, and seeing how snappy it is with even a single core, and most importantly MS Office...I would have to say in those aspects WP definitely has a leg up on Android and iOS...
It will be interesting to see if in 2 years when my contract expires and it's time for an upgrade weather WP will have matured enough for me to defect...and if Nokia still builds rock-solid phones like it used to...it may not be an argument of if, but if I can even wait for my contract to expire .
Thoughts please, no flames!

Windows phones suck...period.
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By the way - it's Lumia 900 - the Lumina is a Chevy...
I've put some major thought into this, so I hope you truly consider my response. I've actually had the opportunity to hold and play with the Lumia 900 unlike mr. Windows phone sucks comment above me.
If you're going to go AT&T no matter what, you can ignore my first con.
Cons for the Lumia 900
1. AT&T!!!
2. As far as I know - Nokia drive is not included. (Not really sure - just from seeing review unit videos on other sites)
3. Zero google support on WP7. This is a huge downer for me - especially since I rely on Google voice for everything, but this also includes maps, google+, docs, etc. Although gmail and google calendar sync fine and there are third party alternatives to some.
4. I own a mac and wp7 phones tend to not play very nice sometimes - even with wp7 connector.
5. It's pretty heavy compared to my t989.
6. WP7 notifications bug me. So does the status bar.
7. Lack of apps (you already know this it seems)
8. Windows phone gets boring after about a month. The smooth animations and transitions only hold your attention for so long. I started with Android, switched to windows, went back to android, back to windows, back to Android to stay unless windows does something amazing.
9. Locked down. Including not being able to send files to a friend (besides pictures)
Pros
1. Sick looking phone. Sleek and gorgeous. Beautiful design.
2. $99
3. WP7.5 is a darn nice phone OS - sleek and smooth. Beautiful animations. Quick links to common tasks. They did a lot of good in this release - but it still has it's quirks.
4. Carl Zeiss 8MP cam. Should make for some beautiful shots.
5. Screen is gorgeous. Bright, vivid, clearblack. Best screen I've ever seen on a WP7 phone and a great size too.
6. Odd, but convenient power button placement
7. The Lumia 900 is what Windows phone should have started with. At the price point and the great hardware, this is a contender phone.
Take it for what it's worth. Had my hands on one about a week ago.

zigfreid5 said:
By the way - it's Lumia 900 - the Lumina is a Chevy...
I've put some major thought into this, so I hope you truly consider my response. I've actually had the opportunity to hold and play with the Lumia 900 unlike mr. Windows phone sucks comment above me.
If you're going to go AT&T no matter what, you can ignore my first con.
Cons for the Lumia 900
1. AT&T!!!
2. As far as I know - Nokia drive is not included. (Not really sure - just from seeing review unit videos on other sites)
3. Zero google support on WP7. This is a huge downer for me - especially since I rely on Google voice for everything, but this also includes maps, google+, docs, etc. Although gmail and google calendar sync fine and there are third party alternatives to some.
4. I own a mac and wp7 phones tend to not play very nice sometimes - even with wp7 connector.
5. It's pretty heavy compared to my t989.
6. WP7 notifications bug me. So does the status bar.
7. Lack of apps (you already know this it seems)
8. Windows phone gets boring after about a month. The smooth animations and transitions only hold your attention for so long. I started with Android, switched to windows, went back to android, back to windows, back to Android to stay unless windows does something amazing.
9. Locked down. Including not being able to send files to a friend (besides pictures)
Pros
1. Sick looking phone. Sleek and gorgeous. Beautiful design.
2. $99
3. WP7.5 is a darn nice phone OS - sleek and smooth. Beautiful animations. Quick links to common tasks. They did a lot of good in this release - but it still has it's quirks.
4. Carl Zeiss 8MP cam. Should make for some beautiful shots.
5. Screen is gorgeous. Bright, vivid, clearblack. Best screen I've ever seen on a WP7 phone and a great size too.
6. Odd, but convenient power button placement
7. The Lumia 900 is what Windows phone should have started with. At the price point and the great hardware, this is a contender phone.
Take it for what it's worth. Had my hands on one about a week ago.
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Lol I have said Lumina forever...guess its just my car-centric mind wanting it to be Lumina....whoops.
I'm not saying I would get a WP right now...maybe if the platform gets popular and matures, gets some better features and apps and gets all the kings worked out...I'm hoping it happens.

zander21510 said:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402556,00.asp
Went through the article where they compared the new windows phone flagship to our phone's twin brother.
What's everyone's thoughts on WP?
I've always gotten Nokia phones, solid and reliable (Still have my E63, my reliable backup! Smartphone with 5 days battery ). But once symbian died and iOS+Android began dominating I switched to android. I wish Nokia had joined the Android train but they didn't...but I've played with and seen all the stuff about WP, and I think it could be a promising competitor if Nokia and Microsoft play their cards right.
But for now...the t989 and Skyrocket win in my book in terms of performance, utility, and apps. But having used FB and Twitter integration, and seeing how snappy it is with even a single core, and most importantly MS Office...I would have to say in those aspects WP definitely has a leg up on Android and iOS...
It will be interesting to see if in 2 years when my contract expires and it's time for an upgrade weather WP will have matured enough for me to defect...and if Nokia still builds rock-solid phones like it used to...it may not be an argument of if, but if I can even wait for my contract to expire .
Thoughts please, no flames!
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I just bought a Dell Venue Pro since I been dying to try WP7 and my experiences is that the OS is REALLY GOOD! I haven't gotten a Single crash or Lag or the need to hack for overclocking or getting rid of a crappy skin everything is freaking smooth. I still miss alot of things of my GSII thats taking a break until official ICS update. Windows Phone overall is 80% there but those 20% leave you on a empty stomach wanting for more.

stick with android
Though Windows Phone OS is very nice and smooth, the utter lack of apps and even greater lack of customization will wear on you quickly. If you're on XDA that tells me that having options matters to you, and with Windows Phone, there are very little options.

The comparison is funny, every spec is better.. why r u asking?

PJcastaldo said:
The comparison is funny, every spec is better.. why r u asking?
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Well thats the point, of course right now the skyrocket/989 and many other phones are obviously better...but I'm thinking in a couple of years WP might be a viable player if they play their cards right and the OS matures to support cutting edge hardware and has app development.

PJcastaldo said:
The comparison is funny, every spec is better.. why r u asking?
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Specs can be better but we all know higher specs don't mean anything in the android world. Lets not even mention lack of support! I can bet money that Nokia will keep updating the Nokia 900 for year or Two while AT&T,Samsung and Google might not even support the skyrocket for more than a year. Don't get me wrong I love having high ends specs, but is like a prostitute that tells you she loves you and in two months she stole your money and left you out in the streets that how I feel about android and all this carriers.

josemedina1983 said:
Specs can be better but we all know higher specs don't mean anything in the android world. Lets not even mention lack of support! I can bet money that Nokia will keep updating the Nokia 900 for year and Two while AT&T,Samsung and Google might not even support the skyrocket for more than a year. Don't get me wrong I love having high ends specs, but is like a prostitute that tells you she loves and in two months she stole your money and left you out in the streets that how I feel about android and all this carriers.
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LOL. Awesome comparison
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josemedina1983 said:
Specs can be better but we all know higher specs don't mean anything in the android world. Lets not even mention lack of support! I can bet money that Nokia will keep updating the Nokia 900 for year or Two while AT&T,Samsung and Google might not even support the skyrocket for more than a year. Don't get me wrong I love having high ends specs, but is like a prostitute that tells you she loves you and in two months she stole your money and left you out in the streets that how I feel about android and all this carriers.
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This phone might be the exception, rather than the rule, since this is the THE PHONE that Nokia plans on cracking the U.S. market with, so it's probably higher on their priority list. But in my experience, do not expect magical support from Nokia. I just recently (as of February) defected from a Nokia N8 to Android and for the year I owned it, this was their software release schedule:
1) Announce software update
2) Wait 3 months
3) Announce release date
4) Push release date back 3 months
5) Start shipping YOUR EXACT PHONE MODEL with the software update out of the box
6) Wait 1 month
7) Start rolling out software update to customers who already bought the phone in Turkey(insert other relatively small European country here)
8) Wait 3 months
9) Push software update to U.S.
Now I've learned that Samsung isn't much better, I'm just saying that the grass is always greener on the other side. The other OS always seems to get their updates faster
**Side note: all Lumias definitely come with Nokia Maps. Which I miss, since Navigation has routed me through some weird routes before and I've rarely had a bad experience with Nokia Maps.

Raul69.atl said:
Windows phones suck...period.
Thread closed!!
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My 7 year old sister could formulate a more thought out comment.
How can an OS suck? I know so many people that have them and really like the simplicity and easy use of windows phones. Don't be a fanboy.
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yoft1 said:
This phone might be the exception, rather than the rule, since this is the THE PHONE that Nokia plans on cracking the U.S. market with, so it's probably higher on their priority list. But in my experience, do not expect magical support from Nokia. I just recently (as of February) defected from a Nokia N8 to Android and for the year I owned it, this was their software release schedule:
1) Announce software update
2) Wait 3 months
3) Announce release date
4) Push release date back 3 months
5) Start shipping YOUR EXACT PHONE MODEL with the software update out of the box
6) Wait 1 month
7) Start rolling out software update to customers who already bought the phone in Turkey(insert other relatively small European country here)
8) Wait 3 months
9) Push software update to U.S.
Now I've learned that Samsung isn't much better, I'm just saying that the grass is always greener on the other side. The other OS always seems to get their updates faster
**Side note: all Lumias definitely come with Nokia Maps. Which I miss, since Navigation has routed me through some weird routes before and I've rarely had a bad experience with Nokia Maps.
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I get what your saying, Nokia doesn't have the best update reputation with Symbian as a owner of tons of symbian Nokia devices. But lately I can say that nokia has clean up their act especially with windows phone. The skyrocket might be the better spec phone but going down the memory lane Google and Samsung have failed to please their consumers that own a Nexus S/4g,Behold 2,The Original Galaxy S owners the list goes on. The choice goes down to you want a 2011/2012 high end phone or do you want 2 years of updates and support?

Stop comparing windows phones to android and especially our phone. Our only true rival is apple ios. Plain and simple

diamantericos said:
Stop comparing windows phones to android and especially our phone. Our only true rival is apple ios. Plain and simple
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Its a discussion...on weather the platform can mature into something competitive. Nobody doubts that our phones are better in many many ways.
Long ago (well...more like 4 or 5 years ago) Symbian and Blackberry were the big dogs, people said the iPhone was just a rich person's phone that would die out because it was so expensive. And Android was a nerd's phone...
Look at where we are now...times change.

diamantericos said:
Stop comparing windows phones to android and especially our phone. Our only true rival is apple ios. Plain and simple
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LOL Rival? I think you taking this a little too serious. Both devices are Smartphones they both are being sold in stores so I think is safe to compare the two devices. Consumers always compare cars,clothes,computers thats just the way it is.

Windows is great OS for me. For both PC and Phone. I used to own hd2 and quiet impressed with windows 6.5. Being honest i have never use 7+ of windows . I really want to try this phone.
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WP7 looks nice. And might appeal to windows users. But from my experience the development for it is horrible. I attend many Microsoft conferences and they're always begging for developers and giving away phones. And when asked if future updates will contain USB support or modem and wifi. Information. They ask "why would anyone.need that?" The average user doesn't care if he's using Linux based software or windows. But what the average user does know is "my friend bought a windows phone,it sucks. It was always freezing and a lack of apps " I actually heard this in a discussion o was having with a girlfriend who was considering a windows phone. I thought the Nokia was an awesome phone and don't believe the freezing part. But if you're looking toward the future... move away from Microsoft. Windows is the OS of the past and they know it
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Buy this or wait for Apollo?

I am very interested in this phone and the $20 Amazon price tag makes it even more exciting but Apollo is (reportedly) just around the corner.
My question is should I wait and get Apollo or go ahead and grab this? I can't think of a good enough reason to wait ATM but I must admit that is mostly due to the fact that I can't think of any must have features Apollo would have that Mango doesn't or that the 900's Hardware wouldn't be able to handle other than screen resolution and I am certainly not waiting 6 months or better for that.
What say you?

You know what..buy it...if you could afford it...you only live once...I bought mine off-contact. $481 w/tax.
No point waiting since we don't even know for sure when Apollo will be release...But if you want to play the waiting game...why not wait for windows phone 9 or windows phone 10....because new technology will always be out...the longer you wait...the less time you truly get to enjoy it before the next best thing hits market...
I got my Lumia 900 and enjoying it a lot...that means that when Apollo release I'll have like 6 or 7 months of joy with this phone....Of course only do this if you can afford the phone...
For a new and the top of the line Nokia phone for $481 w/tax is cheap. I bought their old Nokia 8800 for more than that...fruit for thought...

johnnybrav0 said:
You know what..buy it...if you could afford it...you only live once...I bought mine off-contact. $481 w/tax.
No point waiting since we don't even know for sure when Apollo will be release...But if you want to play the waiting game...why not wait for windows phone 9 or windows phone 10....because new technology will always be out...the longer you wait...the less time you truly get to enjoy it before the next best thing hits market...
I got my Lumia 900 and enjoying it a lot...that means that when Apollo release I'll have like 6 or 7 months of joy with this phone....Of course only do this if you can afford the phone...
For a new and the top of the line Nokia phone for $481 w/tax is cheap. I bought their old Nokia 8800 for more than that...fruit for thought...
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I appreciate your opinion. Doing some basic estimations if the price holds steady on Amazon for the next month or so I can get it for $20 as compared to a standard high end phone at $200 which is a $180 discount.
Whereas if I were to buy it unsubsidized it runs $450 and a lot of of phones run $550+ unsubsidized. Therefore the $20 does seem to be a better deal.
I don't usually play the waiting game but I was just wondering if anyone knew a groundbreaking reason I should hold off.

jedivulcan said:
I'd wait for Apollo. I think the Lumia 900 is late to the game hardware that's more of a holdover until Microsoft readies Apollo (which hopefully supports larger than 800x480 displays and dual core processors) and Nokia is able to utilize any enhancements Microsoft mandates for newer Apollo devices.
I'm not saying it's a bad product, just not something I'd put down for a two year contract.
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Why do I need/want a dual core processor? All videos I have seen showthe Lumia performing compareably with a single core. I agree on the resolution but I'm not holding on to my focus for another 6 months(or more) for a better resolution.
I somewhat agree on the hardware specwise but the software is performing in a manner that doesn't show it as much. I just think my excitement for the 900 is higher than my excitement would be for an Apollo device. If not than I probably would be willing to drop my unsubsidized money on it.

bmc24 said:
Why do I need/want a dual core processor? All videos I have seen showthe Lumia performing compareably with a single core. I agree on the resolution but I'm not holding on to my focus for another 6 months(or more) for a better resolution.
I somewhat agree on the hardware specwise but the software is performing in a manner that doesn't show it as much. I just think my excitement for the 900 is higher than my excitement would be for an Apollo device. If not than I probably would be willing to drop my unsubsidized money on it.
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Good point. Its really easy to say, look at all the things I could do. Why not say, look at all the thing I do. The difference between the 2 is huge.
Windows Phone has only 80k apps in the marketplace. The others, hundreds of thousands. With the exception of a few notable ones, why is a weather app found in WP Marketplace not as good as one found in Android Marketplace. I guarentee you I will not scroll through 32k weather apps, to find the perfect one for me. I have my starbucks card, my facebook/twitter, my Cloud Music player, a few games I like, minus Angry Birds space. What else would I use all those apps for?
Dual/Quad core. I've not seen an Android phone, in my hands, have the battery life its expected to. Every Android I've had, plus the Razr, has failed at batterr life, for me. I never tried the MAXX. Is it the cores eating the battery? Or is it something else? Gaurentee you, Microsoft won't release the dual/quad core spec until it solves the battery life issue. Until the phone can be used, normally, for normal purposes, by normal people, non modded, a Dual or Quad core windows phone won't release. Terry Myerson is one of the more realistic GM's at Microsoft. If the phone won't last all day on a charge, then its no good. He doesn't ask if it can be fixed. He says show me it working.
Can you imagine, Angry Birds Space, in Quad Core!!!! Level 1, recharge. Level 2, Recharge.
I'm sure I do not understand the science of the Dual/Quad core. I'm sure there is a logic between all of these 'improvements', and why we need them. Someone on this forum talked about his phone in comparisons to his previous one, as a normal person should(?) think about it....
Checklist:
Does it work better than my last one> Check.
End of Checklist.

I plan on buying the white 900 when it comes out later this month. I'm going to buy it outright even though I'm due for an upgrade and save my upgrade for WP8. I'm betting the full price on a WP8 Nokia device will be higher than what the 900 is going for.

CrownSeven said:
I plan on buying the white 900 when it comes out later this month. I'm going to buy it outright even though I'm due for an upgrade and save my upgrade for WP8. I'm betting the full price on a WP8 Nokia device will be higher than what the 900 is going for.
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I plan on doing something similar. I can get it for 20 on amazon with subsidized pricing so that means it is roughly 180 cheaper than a standard subsidized high end phone.
Comparing that to 450 unsubsidized to 550+ unsubsidized shows you save more money that way. Which also makes more sense because I am by convinced I'll be unequivocally upgrading
to Apollo therefore I don't want to commit my financial plns to it.
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Save the money now, get the subsidized price, then decide if new WP8 hardware is worth buying off contract/unlocked. It's pretty simple, pay now or pay later and pay later is always better, especially given lack of info regarding WP8.

$450 is a pretty good price for the phone.
With the ~$400 difference between subsidized and unsubsidized, I guess your question should be "Do I think the difference between subsidized and unsubsidized on the WP8 phone I'll want will be > or < $400?"
I just bought it outright in hopes the difference for the WP8 flagship will be >400

ragingclue said:
$450 is a pretty good price for the phone.
With the ~$400 difference between subsidized and unsubsidized, I guess your question should be "Do I think the difference between subsidized and unsubsidized on the WP8 phone I'll want will be > or < $400?"
I just bought it outright in hopes the difference for the WP8 flagship will be >400
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The one major downside to that plan, and the reason I won't most likely do it, is because I am preemtively locking myself into upgrading into Windows 8. Which I am nowhere near convinced that I will want to.
The focus is the first handset I have held on to long enough to reach the upgrade point. I usued to upgrade once a year or more. Stating that I could reasonably see the 900 being in that category as well and if it turns out it's not I'll pay then for unsubsidized.
Most of my research says that there is a better chance that the difference will be less than 180 which is what I am looking at here ( price of 900(20) vs the price of most high end devices (200)) Whereas most devices run roughly no more than 600 or so compared to 450 or better unsubsidized.
And furthermore the likelihood of a killer feature coming out in the next year or less is highly unlikely as far as I am concerned.
Can anyone think of a rumored feature that would be that earth shattering?

kenikh said:
Save the money now, get the subsidized price, then decide if new WP8 hardware is worth buying off contract/unlocked. It's pretty simple, pay now or pay later and pay later is always better, especially given lack of info regarding WP8.
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This is the way I'm leaning. Although I will admit I wish the White I was so looking forward to wasn't gloss. Makes it seem cheaper and more prone to scratches and smudges. But no device has ever been perfect so I suppose this is no different.

bmc24 said:
Can anyone think of a rumored feature that would be that earth shattering?
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Earth shattering? No. But WP8 will bring a number of things up to speed like higher resolution displays, multi-core procs, etc.
The most important things will likely be in the software running on the phone. Various accounts suggest that the tight integration of services into WP7 will be on steroids in WP8. Think along the lines of Skype integrated into the dialer, perhaps even APIs that support direct integration of third party VOIP solutions, like Tango or Google Voice.
If you assume that MSFT will get it together and roll out APIs for integrating third party services into core OS functions on the scale of the Mango API release, watch out. You can really let your imagination go crazy.

kenikh said:
Earth shattering? No. But WP8 will bring a number of things up to speed like higher resolution displays, multi-core procs, etc.
The most important things will likely be in the software running on the phone. Various accounts suggest that the tight integration of services into WP7 will be on steroids in WP8. Think along the lines of Skype integrated into the dialer, perhaps even APIs that support direct integration of third party VOIP solutions, like Tango or Google Voice.
If you assume that MSFT will get it together and roll out APIs for integrating third party services into core OS functions on the scale of the Mango API release, watch out. You can really let your imagination go crazy.
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And those sound enticing but not world beaters. I feel like the core argument is similar to the current generation video game consoles; meaning that they have more power than developers know what to do with and as such will take a while to come into their own.
Thank you for your knowledge. The people here are making me feel better and better about my decision.

Either way, there's no wrong decision.
+1 to all kenikh said. Hit the nail on the head, especially the if M$ get their **** together part. That's the key here. They could hit it out of the park, or just end up with an experience that's only a minute step forward as opposed to a monumental one.
WP7 is great despite all it lacks. WP8 should address the areas where WP7 is decidedly hindered.
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ragingclue said:
Either way, there's no wrong decision.
+1 to all kenikh said. Hit the nail on the head, especially the if M$ get their **** together part. That's the key here. They could hit it out of the park, or just end up with an experience that's only a minute step forward as opposed to a monumental one.
WP7 is great despite all it lacks. WP8 should address the areas where WP7 is decidedly hindered.
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Just curious what do you think it lacks? The resolution is the only thing I can think of that matters

All I know is that I went to an att store and played with a 900 today, and I want one bad! I have used android for years now, but wow I love that phone. And the price is great! And there will be 4G in my area next month. Need to dump my sprint contact.
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Just curious what do you think it lacks? The resolution is the only thing I can think of that matters
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Yeah resolution of course and an ecosystem (not their fault) with apps that can access core OS API. App integration into the OS has come a long way, but will mature further. More customization options couldn't hurt them either.
It'd be nice to have some real multitasking.
Other than that, it's all I can think of at the moment. Not a whole lot of stuff but just lime everything else, not only does it have to be done, it needs to be done right.
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I'd edit my last post but the app won't let me scroll to the bottom of it LOL. Lime=like.
And with things like upped resolution will be everything behind it hardware-wise.
One thing I can't get with WP7 is proper integration of outlook when your company is running exchange server 2003, almost a deal breaker for me, but I blame my company as much as I blame M$ for that.
My most important work emails arrive with no preview line or contents. Sucks sometimes.
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ragingclue said:
Yeah resolution of course and an ecosystem (not their fault) with apps that can access core OS API. App integration into the OS has come a long way, but will mature further. More customization options couldn't hurt them either.
It'd be nice to have some real multitasking.
Other than that, it's all I can think of at the moment. Not a whole lot of stuff but just lime everything else, not only does it have to be done, it needs to be done right.
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I pretty much agree with all of that but not being a Machead, none of those middling features are enough to make me foam at the mouth and wait in line to get a Win8 phone. Want but don't need and not want more than my 600 dollars

bmc24 said:
I pretty much agree with all of that but not being a Machead, none of those middling features are enough to make me foam at the mouth and wait in line to get a Win8 phone. Want but don't need and not want more than my 600 dollars
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TBH, the upped resolution (assuming it doesn't sacrifice the smoothness) and proper compatibility with my Exchange server would be enough for me to justify it.
I'm not a Machead either.
But the quality and functionality of apps should improve with WP8.... Curious how well integrated it'll get with Win8.
I can't say right now whether I'll be in line for the first flagship WP8 device. Who knows, there might be another offering at that time that I'd prefer. I'm not affixed to any certain OS family, so my opinion is subject to change as they change and the offerings evolve. I can say, though, I'm glad WP finally got a flagship quality device. I'm addicted to AMOLED but have been F'd in the A enough by Samsung that I wasn't about to buy another one of those.... Then the Lumia 900 came along. Perfect.

Will you buy a WP 8?

Just want to know how the situation is. Anyone still trust in Microsoft after abandoning Windows Mobile and now this with WP?

WP7.8 is pretty reasonable update, they should have just called it "WP8 for old phones" and everything would be fine... And I have a first-gen Samsung Omnia 7 and I'm going to buy a WP8 phone around christmas As well as Microsoft Surface, those seem to be pretty awesome tablets.

Yes, I'll probably upgrade to a WP8 device when my device is two years old, assuming there's a device with a good hardware keyboard. WP8 looks good and I prefer the WP experience.
Will probably be more cautious about recommending WP to others, however, especially in the period before new OS releases.

Well at the moment I'm really pissed how I spent my saved 350€ for a device (Lumia 800) that will be "outdated" OS vise after around a year. But I guess we will have to wait what the update brings. I don't need NFC as longs as Bluetooth can be used as a substitute (or maybe even WiFi). Also, I think the new Startscreen is somehow cluttered, but I guess I have to experience the look and feel. I surely hope that some software updates like the rumored notification system will come to current devices as well. Another thing is that my contract is due in 2013 so I have to stick around with this phone anyway. And as a poor student I cannot afford a new high-end phone every year. When the contract expires I will decide based on the existing choices and reevaluate the OS. I really like Windows Phone 7 but the whole update dilemma did not increase my thrust in neither Nokia nor Microsoft. I hope they keep their word that they are committed to bring future updates to existing devices. If not, I will move to another OS. It all depends how they handle Windows Phone 7 this and next year.

I switched to android last month from 1st gen wp because i knew they wouldn't update my wp.
I told myself i'll switch to wp8 if they do something android can't do. It doesn't look like that's the case.

I got my current WP7 device for nothing so I will get a WP8 phone when released if my carrier gives me a fair selection of devices.
I hope to have 7.8 soon so I can see if I like the feel of WP8. Infact I am going to install a dual boot with Windows 8 (the release) to see if I give it a chance...

Yess definitely, I will be buying.
People need to understand, in order to progress some will be left behind. Thats just how the world works.
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So I´m stuck with an WP 7.5 that wont even get the 7.8 update and a new device is too expensive...

freddx said:
So I´m stuck with an WP 7.5 that wont even get the 7.8 update and a new device is too expensive...
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Let's just hope that 7.8 is not a huge update and it's something we can install right from here (XDA).
I wouldnt want to lose my custom rom right now.
As I have more thoughts here...
I guess the way MS planned it, if you were one of the first people to get WP7, you would be out of your 2 year by fall time (around release time). Sprint and Verizon (CDMA/LTE) customers would be ending their 2 year Spring/early Summer 2013 (I got mine with out a contract so I am good) due to late releases.
I think I am disapointed in the 18 month support only. I really think it should be 24 months, as most US carriers who have contracts are 2 years. Note: their exact quote was "18 months from the time the phone is released". Just because you get a new phone here in the US, that model could be out for over 3-4 months overseas. That could suck.
As for WP 7.8 all you will get is the new start menu that you can load up with more tiles. As a first gen user, I was kind of looking forward to upgrading my Trophy but, I guess I will be waiting till fall.
If you just picked up a new 2nd gen like a Lumia 900 or Titan 2, they are nice phones but, I would feel a little screwed.
After watching the entire conf today and the way they are talking C++ and direct hardware access, all I can say is this is the GAMING phone I have been waiting for. Everything WP7 should of been.
I enjoyed my WP7 device but, I can't wait for a WP8 device

vetvito said:
Yess definitely, I will be buying.
People need to understand, in order to progress some will be left behind. Thats just how the world works.
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Agreed! iOS has always left out a feature or 2 during every new major update. Android is even worse with some last generation phones not getting any updates at all. Yet when Microsoft does it, everybody complains!
I'm definitely getting a WP8 device! I can just imagine a Nokia Lumia 1000 with a 4.5" 720p ClearBlack display & dual core 1.5ghz processor!! I don't even care about the other stuff

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Agreed! iOS has always left out a feature or 2 during every new major update. Android is even worse with some last generation phones not getting any updates at all. Yet when Microsoft does it, everybody complains!
I'm definitely getting a WP8 device! I can just imagine a Nokia Lumia 1000 with a 4.5" 720p screen & dual core 1.5ghz processor!! I don't even care about the other stuff
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Yeah, Apple does that. But Apple releases one phone per year. And you are secured that the next phone will receive 90% or more of the update.
My Lumia doesnt have 6 months of life and all it got was a new horrible start screen. Seriously, anybody liked the mini-tile? I dont think metro = square. At least, it was not. Just because that thing is a square form it's Metro UI. I wouldnt use, but its personal and I respect.
But hey, we are not receiving Skype, Multitasking, Turn-by-Turn, NT Kernel, and also, lets see if next year new apps will continue to be made thinking about WP 7 users. Or maybe 2014. Just like Android, 2.0 is already being forgotten.
If MS release at least Skype and Multitask, I will shut and smile.

Im pretty annoyed as well... I am also a student and cannot afford a new device every year. What kinda seems odd to me is that the current devices will not be upgradeable to the new nt core whilst microsoft and nokia and aims to sell low end devices (lower than current gen devices?) to compete with low end androids which presumably will be running on the nt core. Ultimately, as much as i love the looks of it, I will probably not be buying a windows 8 slate (unless they reach the sub £100 mark) so the integration features with windows phone 8 are not so important to me. The features that matter most to me would be updated bluetooth profiles (for bluetooth HID drivers), flash player (although there's no indication that WP8 does this either) and would like continued app support, better cloud/skydrive integration as well as a more complete office funtionality
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In a positive note, if microsoft really does put in the effort to compete with the low end android devices, we may see wp8 devices for as low as £60....

mikeeam said:
Yeah, Apple does that. But Apple releases one phone per year. And you are secured that the next phone will receive 90% or more of the update.
My Lumia doesnt have 6 months of life and all it got was a new horrible start screen.
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First of all no matter when MSFT does a reboot someone is going to have only had their phone for 6 months. That's true of all OSes. Secondly you don't even know what the new features of Windows Phone 7.8 are going to be. So claiming it's just a start screen is just BS.

I'll probably wait 2-3 months into the next year to buy one. I'll see if app developers choose to accept WP8 as a serious platform and start making apps for Windows Phone too. If all goes well, and there's a phone release around that time that actually looks good, I'll buy it. Also somebody might port WP8 over to some of the old devices. If that happens, it will delay me buying a WP8 by a month or two.

^ developers will take it seriously, native coding means a lot!
The new kernel means a lot! The old one was dead from the beginning.
MS just put a tomb stone on RIM, and are now standing on it pointing at Google and Apple saying "You're Next".
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I have a HTC HD7S first gen that I bought May last year. WP7.8 will be nice to get but would be disappointed to loose my custom rom hope MS offers dev release soon. Can't wait to get a tablet.
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I bought a samsung focus, but I won't upgrade to WP8. From what they showed today it's just catching up to what is out there on the other platforms, I'll keep the old WP7 phone around and get something else and buy the Surface laptop instead.
Maybe WP9, if the come out with some killer features in the future.

So glad that I got rid of my Samsung Focus and now the proud owner of the HTC One X. I started doubting the whole WP debacle when support for my Dell Venue Pro was dropped and I started smelling a scam. However, I still held on to my Samsung Focus since I hope that they will change. Luckily I changed my mind 2 weeks ago and sold my Focus for a good price. After this, there will be a lot of frustrated users trying to dump their WP on ebay, it would be hard to sell it at a good price now.
I used to be the HD2 owner that watched every single MS news hoping that they will change their mind and provide us with the upgrade. Ah, how I wished that I learned my lesson and never give M$ another chance. Technically speaking, I was shafted not only once but twice.
I was thinking about buying a Lumia 800 to try it out but no more, MS will never AGAIN get my money. I hope they burn in hell and fail miserably for what they did to the users.
And if you are still blindly supporting M$ after this, stop for a moment and think about how you have been treated. M$ is even worse than Google. Don't ever trust them. **** you M$.

Blind was buying WP7 knowing that it was old. Knowing that it didn't support multi cores, knowing that it only supported one resolution. Thats blind.
Don't be mad for Microsoft catching up with the times.
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vetvito said:
Blind was buying WP7 knowing that it was old. Knowing that it didn't support multi cores, knowing that it only supported one resolution. Thats blind.
Don't be mad for Microsoft catching up with the times.
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Sorry dude, looks like no one here is blind, except you. I will be seeing you around at the WP9 announcement then, when your shiny 2-month old phone is cut off support that is.

Is Lumia 900 getting WP7.8 update in a few weeks?

https://twitter.com/APNWindowsPhone/status/215549101260013568
NokiaUSA is saying YES!

they said that we can get wp8 updating a few weeks ago

They also said "To clarify the post is about internet sharing..." and some other **** I give a **** about" NOT 7.8

This is too funny.... there's a video posted on the usual wp websites from just after this morning's WP8 seminar. It showed a preliminary version of the 7.8 version on an ATT lumia 900. When asked, 'can you flick it to the left so we can see the apps list?'... the MS or Nokia rep replied: "it'll crash the phone". He then explained it's just a crude test version.
Release anytime soon... not likely.

They also said they'd have a fix for the purple screen a LONG time ago, and we are still waiting for it (only AT&T got the fix)...

Zhariak said:
They also said they'd have a fix for the purple screen a LONG time ago, and we are still waiting for it (only AT&T got the fix)...
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http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...d-ad31ea4db0d7?page=1&tm=1340284824926#footer

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http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...d-ad31ea4db0d7?page=1&tm=1340284824926#footer
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Actually... You know what, I don't even care anymore...
With the fact that my new device is already obsolete, I'll be looking for a new mobile device provider soon who's product have longer supported lifespans (and not to mention better support).

Zhariak said:
Actually... You know what, I don't even care anymore...
With the fact that my new device is already obsolete, I'll be looking for a new mobile device provider soon who's product have longer supported lifespans (and not to mention better support).
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Try iPhone. You can install the new iOS on an old phone. You won't get Siri and true GPS to work due to hardware issues but you CAN install the OS. At least they arent so weak as to use the "Hardware incompatibility" excuse.

hx4700 Killer said:
Try iPhone. You can install the new iOS on an old phone. You won't get Siri and true GPS to work due to hardware issues but you CAN install the OS. At least they arent so weak as to use the "Hardware incompatibility" excuse.
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Lumia doesn't have NFC, so yes, hardware incompatibility. derp.

bcrisp82 said:
Lumia doesn't have NFC, so yes, hardware incompatibility. derp.
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Whoa, wait a second... I don't give a **** about the Wallet or NFC...
I want the OS and the majority of the capabilities... WP 7.8 is just bringing adjustments to the start screen: "Hi, we know you just blew 600 bucks on this phone which is obsolete a few days later, but hey, here's a free key chain" kinda thing...
As far as I'm concerned, I've heard that WP8 on latest gen older devices is capable..

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Whoa, wait a second... I don't give a **** about the Wallet or NFC...
I want the OS and the majority of the capabilities... WP 7.8 is just bringing adjustments to the start screen: "Hi, we know you just blew 600 bucks on this phone which is obsolete a few days later, but hey, here's a free key chain" kinda thing...
As far as I'm concerned, I've heard that WP8 on latest gen older devices is capable..
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Yeah...but don't you do that with everything else?? Your new car?? A new laptop, PC or Tablet? At least you got a key chain....
But ...the big question really is.....From where did you hear that about WP8 on latest Gen older devices?? I work very close with friends from Microsoft on Windows Phone. Never, never ever never, have they ever hinted, to me, that WP8 was going to be a broad update, or even work on old devices.
So, if you have some Steve Balmer, Terry Myerson insight...please share....

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"Hi, we know you just blew 600 bucks on this phone which is obsolete a few days later, but hey, here's a free key chain" kinda thing...
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Words of wisdom and people please stop mentioning Apple's methodology. The lumia 900 is way newer compared to the 3GS when the 4G came out.
3GS did not get all the iOS4 feature but it was already old in the market unlike the 900!

Take a Deep Breath
If you are like me, you bought the Lumia 900 hoping that, since it is a high end phone, it would be upgraded to WP8. You didn't know that for a fact, you either guessed, relied on others guesses or hoped. You rolled the dice based on a feeling that MS and Nokia would do the right thing, based upon your desires. Well, they did the right thing based upon their needs. I love my Nokia 900 on WP7.5, I'll love WP7.8 even more. It will take me a long time to grow out of WP7.8. At that time, I will upgrade my phone to WP8.x. Like most of you, I am not at all happy about this. The highest of the high end WP7 phones, just released, and not upgradeable to WP8. Sure I am mad, but mostly at myself for taking such a chance with no facts to backup a future upgrade to WP8.

JamesAllen said:
If you are like me, you bought the Lumia 900 hoping that, since it is a high end phone, it would be upgraded to WP8. You didn't know that for a fact, you either guessed, relied on others guesses or hoped. You rolled the dice based on a feeling that MS and Nokia would do the right thing, based upon your desires. Well, they did the right thing based upon their needs. I love my Nokia 900 on WP7.5, I'll love WP7.8 even more. It will take me a long time to grow out of WP7.8. At that time, I will upgrade my phone to WP8.x. Like most of you, I am not at all happy about this. The highest of the high end WP7 phones, just released, and not upgradeable to WP8. Sure I am mad, but mostly at myself for taking such a chance with no facts to backup a future upgrade to WP8.
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Agreed, pretty much sums it up for me. I took a risk, banked on MS to not depricate a "flagship" device like they HAVE NOT done so often in the past and took it in the a$$. Like I said, fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

JamesAllen said:
If you are like me, you bought the Lumia 900 hoping that, since it is a high end phone, it would be upgraded to WP8.
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Call it what you want. The phone was FREE here in the US. It was cheaper than some feature phones. I had no expectations. I got a nice very capable smartphone for free. My expectations were met.

sitizenx said:
Call it what you want. The phone was FREE here in the US. It was cheaper than some feature phones. I had no expectations. I got a nice very capable smartphone for free. My expectations were met.
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I'm locked down on contracts for the next 7+ years since every time I get a phone from my provider it breaks, so I extend to get another one discounted...
I bought the Lumia 900 outright for $600... And It's not physically busted, but now is obsolete
There's just no winning...

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I'm locked down on contracts for the next 7+ years since every time I get a phone from my provider it breaks, so I extend to get another one discounted...
There's just no winning...
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That's somewhat your fault mate! Why would you do that?!
MS messed up for sure, but let's not blame it for all our problems.

xsever said:
That's somewhat your fault mate! Why would you do that?!
MS messed up for sure, but let's not blame it for all our problems.
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I'm so mad at the whole WP8 thing, I think I am going to blame them for all my problems... And my cell provider (which is another story I'm not even going to get in to), heh

I don't want to disrespect anyone, but how could any Lumia owner not feel screwed.
Don't forget poeple that every device, comparable to Lumia 800 or 900, with different OS can run Skype, viber and other VOIP apps in the background... It seems Lumia 800 and 900 will never be able to do so.
How could you just accept that.
$135 androids have VOIP while we ($500/$600 Lumia owners) don't?!?!?!? and you're ok with it?!?!?!?!
Now I know that most Lumia owners are MS or Nokia loyals... I am one... And when others critisized the lack of apps and the inability to run Skype, I always defended both saying that apps will come and skype will be updated... "just a matter of time"... Do I feel stupid now!
I'm not saying I'm chaging to other OS... I'll probably get a new WP8 device and a surface tablet... But i can not NOT feel screwed.
BTW, I got my Lumia 800 in January... was so happy with it that I ordered the 900 about 2 weeks ago... (both factory unlocked cause we don't have contracts where I'm from)

i just got my phone less then 2 weeks ago, i'm piss... but what else can i say, i like the design, and the support from nokia seems good enough. Don't get me wrong, i'm not a WP or Nokia fanboy. Just like what JamesAllen says, i put my bet and i lose it... nothing more, nothing less, but i still like the phone, i'm gonna keep it until i feel a need to change to another

How is everybody doing? Are we abandoning our current gen Windows Phone?

I haven't posted anything for awhile but i am still stay up-to-date with currents news for Windows Phone community. I was just thinking today about the future of our dear friend for-a-while (2nd Gen Windows Phone aka Mango devices).
I just recently made up my mind that i am gonna sell my HTC Titan ( a sweet device, used to make storms over XDA until somebody finally unbox the damn thing). But that also lead to the question: "Will you guys gonna keep the current Windows Phone gen device and then move on to WP8 later or gonna get WP8 and then keep both device? "
Because i am seeing a lot of people putting their device up for sale on Ebay and Amazon right now right before the launch of Windows Phone 8, and i am wondering if you guys are doing the same.
Regarding Windows Phone 8, i have heard from some sources teasing that HTC is doing work on a device probably with the name "Titan 3" after success with Titan (Eternity) and Titan II (Radiant) , the first wave of WP8 doesn't impress me that much even HTC Rio and Accord (8S and 8X) , Nokia just pretty much reuse the design of the Lumia 900 for the new waves of phone, make it less interesting. ( It is nothing like what we saw with the 1st Wave of Windows Phone 7 back in the day, damn the HTC HD7/Schubert back then was HOT.

I have a titan an am planning on going to the 8S as I have 12 months left of my contract and cant afford a bigger upgrade. I'm only going to jump ship however if there is a way to side load my homebrew apps without having to pay for a dev account.

meandu229 said:
I have a titan an am planning on going to the 8S as I have 12 months left of my contract and cant afford a bigger upgrade. I'm only going to jump ship however if there is a way to side load my homebrew apps without having to pay for a dev account.
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So basically are you renewing your plan right now or you gonna wait another 12 months and then get an 8S?
Because 1 years is a long time, lol, who know what will happen... I hold the Schubert for One year before i switched to Titan. I am thinking about holding 7.8 device for another year before getting 8, want to see what we can get from 2nd Wave of WP8... :laugh:
Because i am kind of bias over HTC when buying phones, and to be honest, the Rio and Accord doesn't get much of my attention ... ( even tho, i am their trainee anyway, lol)
Nokia... eh... No offense but maybe i don't like them that much like i did before... Beside, HTC always has history of easiness in hacking Bootloader and stuffs (HSPL...) , so ... yeah

Strike_Eagle said:
I haven't posted anything for awhile but i am still stay up-to-date with currents news for Windows Phone community. I was just thinking today about the future of our dear friend for-a-while (2nd Gen Windows Phone aka Mango devices).
I just recently made up my mind that i am gonna sell my HTC Titan ( a sweet device, used to make storms over XDA until somebody finally unbox the damn thing). But that also lead to the question: "Will you guys gonna keep the current Windows Phone gen device and then move on to WP8 later or gonna get WP8 and then keep both device? "
Because i am seeing a lot of people putting their device up for sale on Ebay and Amazon right now right before the launch of Windows Phone 8, and i am wondering if you guys are doing the same.
Regarding Windows Phone 8, i have heard from some sources teasing that HTC is doing work on a device probably with the name "Titan 3" after success with Titan (Eternity) and Titan II (Radiant) , the first wave of WP8 doesn't impress me that much even HTC Rio and Accord (8S and 8X) , Nokia just pretty much reuse the design of the Lumia 900 for the new waves of phone, make it less interesting. ( It is nothing like what we saw with the 1st Wave of Windows Phone 7 back in the day, damn the HTC HD7/Schubert back then was HOT.
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I am not gonna buy WP8, reasons
Never going to get custom roms!
Looks uglier than wp7.8 (details)
Love my Titan better than any (announced plastic) WP8 phone.

sianto1997 said:
I am not gonna buy WP8, reasons
Never going to get custom roms!
Looks uglier than wp7.8 (details)
Love my Titan better than any (announced plastic) WP8 phone.
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Well, that is what i am thinking right now, The 1st Wave of WP8 doesn't have the unique design like what we had with HD7 at 1st Wave and Titan at 2nd Wave of WP7 devices.
About Custom ROM, i have heard about the secured boot, but hope is not vanished yet until i heard that officially from DFT or Cotulla himself . Maybe this time, DFT team will have to go BIG, lol.

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So basically are you renewing your plan right now or you gonna wait another 12 months and then get an 8S?
Because 1 years is a long time, lol, who know what will happen... I hold the Schubert for One year before i switched to Titan. I am thinking about holding 7.8 device for another year before getting 8, want to see what we can get from 2nd Wave of WP8... :laugh:
Because i am kind of bias over HTC when buying phones, and to be honest, the Rio and Accord doesn't get much of my attention ... ( even tho, i am their trainee anyway, lol)
Nokia... eh... No offense but maybe i don't like them that much like i did before... Beside, HTC always has history of easiness in hacking Bootloader and stuffs (HSPL...) , so ... yeah
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No im selling titan, hoping £140 ~ and buying a 8S off contract, for £224 ~ and will keep my current contract for the next year as im bound to it for that long and I cant afford to buy a 920 or 8X out right but the £80 difference between titan and 8S is doable. And this will also allow me to get a 2nd gen one next october when up for renewal.

sianto1997 said:
I am not gonna buy WP8, reasons
Never going to get custom roms!
Looks uglier than wp7.8 (details)
Love my Titan better than any (announced plastic) WP8 phone.
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How does it look ANY different than 7.8? I thought only stuff they mutually shared between WP8 and WP7.8 was how they look. Don't see how WP8 is uglier than WP7.8!
We don't know yet about custom ROMs! Plus metal and ceramic aren't exactly plastic
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No im selling titan, hoping £140 ~ and buying a 8S off contract, for £224 ~ and will keep my current contract for the next year as im bound to it for that long and I cant afford to buy a 920 or 8X out right but the £80 difference between titan and 8S is doable. And this will also allow me to get a 2nd gen one next october when up for renewal.
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Where are you getting 8S for £224 from?
I might get one instead of my Titan to start with and then some!

I still have 4-5 months to make up my mind, then my contract will be over and I'll be in for an upgrade. I really NEED to see the 920 in action and notice if the little things that bug me have been improved (half assed multitasking, weak notifications). If that's the case I'll get a 920, it's a behemoth but I'll get used to it somehow. Otherwise I'll go to the dark side and pick an i5. Really like the size/weight/build of the thing, plus with jailbreak I'll basically get most of the functionality of Android without all of the root/mod/hack bs that I'm sick of.
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Nope, my Trophy does everything I need it to do via custom ROM. Maybe when custom ROMs become avilabe for WP8, I'll switch over.

sinister1 said:
Nope, my Trophy does everything I need it to do via custom ROM. Maybe when custom ROMs become avilabe for WP8, I'll switch over.
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Me too. I'll only shift when wp8 will have custom roms and a good flagship device.

My Focus s is the dogs bollocks, would be even better if I could dump the ROM but that a side story, what am I going to do? well, my Focus S does everything I want it to right now, I am in no hurry what so ever to jump to WP8.
I will wait for WP8 to mature a bit, and more importantly wait until its possible to side load stuff, im not fussed about custom ROMs,. I just want it to work, and allow me to install what I want and not what someone tells me I can. IF / When that day comes then ill do my research and sell my focus S, if that day doesn't come and the OS remains locked down tighter than a ducks arse then im more than happy with what my Focus S does for the time being.

So look like a lot of people have the same line thinking like me, Windows Phone 8 is great but i would rather wait for it to perform and then reviewed by other expert before i make a move also.
There are a lot of thing that i want to buy so i have no choice except being smart, lol.
I mean, custom ROM is not a total big deal to me after all, back in the day when i still have my HD7, i still choose the way to use Official ROM instead of getting custom one. But i just don't like the way they lock the device with the OS so strict that Advanced Users can't tweaks the device in the way they want. I mean Registry Editor, Flies Explorer and all the kind of stuffs. Windows Mobile 6.5 was saved (almost all by this XDA Community) because of that.
MS this year drive away to regular based users market rather than advanced users... (Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8)...

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MS this year drive away to regular based users market rather than advanced users... (Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8)...
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That's because (as iOS and Android has proven extremely well) theres more money to be made when targeting nupties, power users are a limited few in a sea of average users who couldn't tell the difference between the different OSs in the first place.
I have a horrible feeling that WP8 is going to be even harder to crack open so im not going to hold my breath, bare in mind that technically WP7 hasn't been cracked open either, im sure WP8 will make it even harder still

Definitely going to jump to Windows Phone 8 as soon as I can, but probably gonna keep my Titan and Lumia 800.

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How does it look ANY different than 7.8? I thought only stuff they mutually shared between WP8 and WP7.8 was how they look. Don't see how WP8 is uglier than WP7.8!
We don't know yet about custom ROMs! Plus metal and ceramic aren't exactly plastic
Where are you getting 8S for £224 from?
I might get one instead of my Titan to start with and then some!
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http://www.unlocked-mobiles.com/sim-free-mobile-phones/htc-8s-windows-phone-sim-free-p-84273.html
or http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/7835/htc-8s-windows-8--sim-free-unlocked--red-
or http://www.clove.co.uk/htc-8s

drupad2drupad said:
How does it look ANY different than 7.8? I thought only stuff they mutually shared between WP8 and WP7.8 was how they look. Don't see how WP8 is uglier than WP7.8!
We don't know yet about custom ROMs! Plus metal and ceramic aren't exactly plastic
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Well, first of all the accent is more intergrated! (It annoys me big time) Ceramic? Which phone?

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Well, first of all the accent is more intergrated! (It annoys me big time) Ceramic? Which phone?
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But isn't those accent colours just based on leaks so far? (Early July leak?)
If they are to be present in WP7.8 there is a huge chance they will be implemented identically as WP8, no?
Lumia 920 has polycarbonate unibody with ceramic buttons or so did I read!

Well, the design of Lumia is not bad at all, but i don't really like how they just make it a little bit bigger and reuse the design pretty much.
I just saw another Lumia 8xx something for T-Mobile US and that thing look a little bit more interesting than Lumia 920.
And BTW i am not looking forward to pay like $800 for an unlocked version of that anyway.
They also predict the 8X to be around $500-$600 for unlocked version

Strike_Eagle said:
Well, the design of Lumia is not bad at all, but i don't really like how they just make it a little bit bigger and reuse the design pretty much.
I just saw another Lumia 8xx something for T-Mobile US and that thing look a little bit more interesting than Lumia 920.
And BTW i am not looking forward to pay like $800 for an unlocked version of that anyway.
They also predict the 8X to be around $500-$600 for unlocked version
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I think they made it bigger basically because of the camera features they wanted to implement, it shouldn't be hard to make it thinner without it, at least 820 thin. Honestly I take like no more than 3 pictures every year with my phone so I couldn't care less...maybe a sharper profile, somewhat like the new nano (but bigger, heh) would have been better for me. If Microsoft ever releases something more squarish and thin with a full metal body, like a crossover between an iPhone and a Surface I'm 100% sold.
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vnvman said:
I think they made it bigger basically because of the camera features they wanted to implement, it shouldn't be hard to make it thinner without it, at least 820 thin. Honestly I take like no more than 3 pictures every year with my phone so I couldn't care less...maybe a sharper profile, somewhat like the new nano (but bigger, heh) would have been better for me. If Microsoft ever releases something more squarish and thin with a full metal body, like a crossover between an iPhone and a Surface I'm 100% sold.
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Yeah, I've been fancying my chances of owning a squarish device. Not exactly like an Experia but something as classy as surface design. I would love to own vaporised magnesium squarish handset running WP9!