We all know that the Galaxy Nexus has an embedded secure element, and that the PN65N supports SWP. However, have Google included a physical connection between the SIM and the NFC controller? I'm starting to suspect that they haven't, to ensure that they have full control of the only secure element in the device.
So, does anyone know with absolute certainty if SIM secure elements work with the Nexus devices? I'm pretty sure they work with the HTC One X.
One of the main reasons behind Google removing MicroSD slots in the Nexus devices was so that they could not be used as secure elements; I wouldn't be surprised if Google have also removed the ability for SIM cards to be used as secure elements.
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Some people may know that the galaxy nexus extended battery fits in our s2s. and the main reason why or s2s cannot have google wallet is because we are missing the secure element chip so does that extended battery have the secure element or is on the phone
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No, the secure element chip is in the phone.
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Ok because I noticed that the Nfc is in the battery not in the cover like the nexus s
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algorhythm said:
No, the secure element chip is in the phone.
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There are ways to add a secure element to our phones. There are ways to incorporate a secure element into an SD Card or SIM card. ISIS, the NFC solution probably coming to AT&T, VZW and TMO soon, just signed a company with secure element options in the SIM. While it looks unlikely anytime soon that Google Wallet will run on our devices, there are options to add NFC Contactless Payments to our phones.
Also, there are now two known security vulnerabilities with Google Wallet that allows access to your google wallet if your phone is lost or stolen. One method, announced today, does not even require root access to your phone.
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There are ways to add a secure element to our phones. There are ways to incorporate a secure element into an SD Card or SIM card. ISIS, the NFC solution probably coming to AT&T, VZW and TMO soon, just signed a company with secure element options in the SIM. While it looks unlikely anytime soon that Google Wallet will run on our devices, there are options to add NFC Contactless Payments to our phones.
Also, there are now two known security vulnerabilities with Google Wallet that allows access to your google wallet if your phone is lost or stolen. One method, announced today, does not even require root access to your phone.
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Doesn't change the fact that the GNexus securelement happens to be inside the phone itself.
True, but the OP wanted to know if it's possible to add one to our T989 for GW. Yes there are ways to add a secure element but it's not likely to work with GW.
Greetings! I'm getting conflicting information if this is actually working or not on AT&T network. Anyone have this working?
A recent news article mentions that AT&T has approved NFC on one x, but chatting with a AT&T Store Manager mentions NFC is still disabled for all devices... Can anyone confirm or deny? Any work arounds?
Thanks in advance!
You want this forum. This is the international One X forum and the AT&T one isn't the same. The AT&T One X is actually the "One XL" but they annoyingly called it the One X as well. The baseband, CPU and GPU are different in the One XL.
i have the international X model and it's on the ATT network, so this is in the right place. it's also been discussed already in topics about NFC and Google Wallet. i can vouch that it does not work with an ATT sim and it does not work with a Straight Talk sim. it's nice of them to list a feature that most people can't even use. they shouldn't even mention NFC on these phones if we can't use it properly. i'm not buying a bunch of tags to play with. that's not the point of NFC.
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i have the international X model and it's on the ATT network, so this is in the right place. it's also been discussed already in topics about NFC and Google Wallet. i can vouch that it does not work with an ATT sim and it does not work with a Straight Talk sim. it's nice of them to list a feature that most people can't even use. they shouldn't even mention NFC on these phones if we can't use it properly. i'm not buying a bunch of tags to play with. that's not the point of NFC.
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Nfc works fine on the international version on ATT. The carrier can't affect that unless they have a say in your rom. Since you don't get updates touched by ATT it's a non issue.
Google Wallet on the other hand doesn't work on the One X. This isn't a carrier issue. Complain to Google to authorize the device.
You can say what you like, but "the point" of nfc isn't Google Wallet. The point is NFC. Mobile payments are coming in the form of Isis wallet, carrier specific wallets, MasterCard now is developing a mobile payment system with nfc as well as google wallet. This is all a ways off though.
Don't purchase an emerging technology and then wine that you aren't surrounded with use cases. If you want to move to India or Japan they are much further forward in deploying nfc than the US.
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The carrier can't affect that unless they have a say in your rom. Since you don't get updates touched by ATT it's a non issue
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This isn't true. The carrier and Google have to have an agreement in place on a per device basis to use Google Wallet which is what most people in the U.S. relate to NFC. Under pressure, AT&T authorized the Nexi. They are the only devices allowed by AT&T to access Google Wallet via their network. And Google Wallet requires a carrier connection, it doesn't work over Wi-Fi.
There are hacks to spoof the network and in some cases you can even gain (unsecured) access to some of the features. But if you screw up the security token on your phone (which quite a few people have done) you'll never be able to use it with a payment system again and there is no recovery available.
NFC as a means of communication is very different than using it in conjunction with a payment system.
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Nfc works fine on the international version on ATT. The carrier can't affect that unless they have a say in your rom. Since you don't get updates touched by ATT it's a non issue.
Google Wallet on the other hand doesn't work on the One X. This isn't a carrier issue. Complain to Google to authorize the device.
You can say what you like, but "the point" of nfc isn't Google Wallet. The point is NFC. Mobile payments are coming in the form of Isis wallet, carrier specific wallets, MasterCard now is developing a mobile payment system with nfc as well as google wallet. This is all a ways off though.
Don't purchase an emerging technology and then wine that you aren't surrounded with use cases. If you want to move to India or Japan they are much further forward in deploying nfc than the US.
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thanks for your wonderful attitude. take your meds. explain to me the usefulness of nfc then. also i complained to google on play reviews for wallet. this forum is flooded with idiots. i should get a phone nobody is using or stop reading you people and just go to the dev threads.
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This isn't true. The carrier and Google have to have an agreement in place on a per device basis to use Google Wallet which is what most people in the U.S. relate to NFC. Under pressure, AT&T authorized the Nexi. They are the only devices allowed by AT&T to access Google Wallet via their network. And Google Wallet requires a carrier connection, it doesn't work over Wi-Fi.
There are hacks to spoof the network and in some cases you can even gain (unsecured) access to some of the features. But if you screw up the security token on your phone (which quite a few people have done) you'll never be able to use it with a payment system again and there is no recovery available.
NFC as a means of communication is very different than using it in conjunction with a payment system.
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NFC != Google Wallet. The fact remains ATT can't disable NFC on a device they have no control over. Google Wallet is an app the leverages NFC.
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thanks for your wonderful attitude. take your meds. explain to me the usefulness of nfc then. also i complained to google on play reviews for wallet. this forum is flooded with idiots. i should get a phone nobody is using or stop reading you people and just go to the dev threads.
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Speak for yourself before you dish out insults. Your phone has NFC and it WORKS. Google Wallet doesn't work by NFC DOES.
AT&T can NOT stop you from using NFC as a whole but they can stop you from using an app like Google Wallet that requires NFC.
NFC has always worked on your phone, you just think that means you can use Google Wallet when it doesn't.
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From The Verge:
"Orange has announced that the Samsung Galaxy S III will receive its Quick Tap mobile payment system starting September 5th. Orange launched Quick Tap over a year ago, but the Galaxy S III is the first Android smartphone to use the system. Orange and Barclaycard provide the Quick Tap service, which they say is available in over 100,000 locations in the UK. The service allows users to make payments of up to £20 without having to enter a PIN.
Like other mobile payment wallets, Galaxy S III owners using Quick Tap in the UK can link up their various debit or credit cards from UK MasterCard or Visa. Orange is offering a £50 bonus credit for new customers when they activate Quick Tap, starting Wednesday."
What are the chances that the apk can be pulled and installed on the Galaxy Nexus? I'm fed up of waiting (for nearly a year) for Google Wallet in the UK.
I've explained a little about it here: http://www.nfcbrief.com/2012/09/orange-first-to-launch-uk-android-nfc.html
I'm assuming that Orange have opted to use the SIM as the secure element. If that's the case, it could be bad news for Nexus owners. I don't think stock AOSP Android has support for SIM secure elements (not 100% sure on this), meaning that, even if you acquired one of these new SIMs from Orange (and downloaded the Quick Tap apk), it likely wouldn't work with the Galaxy Nexus.
Custom ROMs might be able to fix that, though.
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I've explained a little about it here: http://www.nfcbrief.com/2012/09/orange-first-to-launch-uk-android-nfc.html
I'm assuming that Orange have opted to use the SIM as the secure element. If that's the case, it could be bad news for Nexus owners. I don't think stock AOSP Android has support for SIM secure elements (not 100% sure on this), meaning that, even if you acquired one of these new SIMs from Orange (and downloaded the Quick Tap apk), it likely wouldn't work with the Galaxy Nexus.
Custom ROMs might be able to fix that, though.
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OH wow, I really hope this comes to Galaxy Nexus
Just saw your update on the article you posted:
"UPDATE: I've received word from Orange that they will indeed be using new SIMs as the secure element for Quick Tap on Android. This means that the majority of NFC-enabled Android devices will be able to use the application, as long as Orange have approved each device. Notable exceptions likely include the Nexus devices, as it is unclear whether Google have enabled SIM secure element support in 'vanilla' Android. Quotes can be found below."
That sucks! Any chance you could ask if the Galaxy Nexus will be supported? Seeing as you are already in touch with them?
And just out of curiosity what is the advantage of using a SIM as a secure element? Is there a chance that Google have enabled support for it?
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so i searched around for this and no one seems to have a definite answer...or at least, no one that has possibly used these possibilities has spoken out..
here's my question..mastercard paypass mobile (and now called masterpass)... is it just an app that i'm missing that you can register on an NFC phone and then you're able to use your credit card linked to your profile?
Or will masterpass be that app when it gets release and will only support the banks that are signed on with them? (in Canada, BMO has already signed on)
basically, as a replacement option to google wallet for those (like us in Canada) who can't use wallet..or at least, functionally use it with one of our credit cards
any info is appreciated...
*sorry if this doesn't go in nfc hacking...but it's nfc related since i'm just looking for nfc payment solutions...i hate wallets
Just like Google wallet and Isis by all most of the major US cellular vendors the app is only half of the story. The other half is something that is embedded in the actual phone it self. What is missing is something called the "secure element" so that no one else with out proper access can use it and it cannot be mimicked/copied. The secure element can be anything from an actual chip embedded in the device to a SIM card that has the chip built in. If you have a credit card with the smart chip or that has wave pass or some other NFC option and you have scanned it with your device, heck even the popular skylanders toys there is an area that is secure and no matter what you do you cannot view the data or alter the data, that's an example of a secure element. That's what is missing from your device
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rastlin said:
Just like Google wallet and Isis by all most of the major US cellular vendors the app is only half of the story. The other half is something that is embedded in the actual phone it self. What is missing is something called the "secure element" so that no one else with out proper access can use it and it cannot be mimicked/copied. The secure element can be anything from an actual chip embedded in the device to a SIM card that has the chip built in. If you have a credit card with the smart chip or that has wave pass or some other NFC option and you have scanned it with your device, heck even the popular skylanders toys there is an area that is secure and no matter what you do you cannot view the data or alter the data, that's an example of a secure element. That's what is missing from your device
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I wasn't asking why i can't use google wallet. I could actually use google wallet before they took away their virtual card in October. I can't add any credit card because my billing address is in Canada (not completely true...like most others, i can add my card but the transaction will not go through when i try to use google wallet with that card).
the gist of my question was more along the lines of, is masterpass like google wallet? does it already exist with paypass mobile or is paypass mobile just an internet profile that you can use to pay online and masterpass will absorb it but also be an nfc payment method?
at MWC recently, mastercard mentioned masterpass as an NFC payment solution...so i would imagine that you can use credit cards from banks that are signed on with it as nfc payment...but it is not 100% clear
well, masterpass launched today, and from what i read on mobilesyrup, it looks like nfc payments will not be possible
i hate that we are seriously lacking in an option similar to google wallet
if anyone signed up for masterpass and says it does work through nfc, please let us know...as of now, from any article i've read, it doesn't look like it works...
NFC "Tap and Pay" In-Store Payment Ability Removed by Google since 2014 [Confirmed]
T-Mobile Galaxy Note 3 and variants w/ same NFC chip:
NO In-Store NFC Payment Capability Since 2014One of the factors for which I decided to purchase a Note 3 was its NFC feature. I recall the mention of "at-register payments" and Tap and Pay. I have lived a good chunk of my Note 3 modding time around the idea of having working NFC for two reasons, 1) the prospect of using the NFC writer (functional) and 2) in-store at-register/terminal payments.
To my great long-term disappointment, it is simply not possible with the on-board NFC chip. The reason is that the NFC chip on these Note 3 variants just missed the mark for the new security standards rolled out with the KitKat updates. NFC has multiple standards. The NFC hardware in these Note 3 variants does not have Host Card Emulation (HCE) ability. Google removed the Android Pay compatibility with most of the Galaxy Note 3's in 2014.
Samsung says that the Note 3 can make at-register payments with a special SIM. These seem to be scarce in 2019, but I could be wrong.
Also, the T-Mobile Note 3 NFC chip will not work on Marshallow or above, and will not work on any kernel except for kernels compiled for the "T-Mobile Note 3", no matter if the ROM Dev says "everything is working fine!" in his/her first post. Just do an in-thread search for "NFC" and feel disappointed in much less time that it took me. :crying:
I have read of a couple of instances where people where able to use an NFC/SIM combo on an AT&T Note 3. This dual NFC/SIM card has a "Secured Element". But those seem to be rare these days, and at such a point, you may just want to consider a newer phone (I wish I knew all of this 5 weeks ago).
Summary:
Nice Screen
Great Phone
No In-Store NFC Payments
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NFC will only work on a real T-Mobile Note 3 kernel
which means Lollipop or below
References:
https://www.samsung.com/nz/support/mobile-devices/nfc-is-not-working-on-my-galaxy-note-3/
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3/help/galaxy-note-3-battery-nfc-change-t3624149
https://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-note-3/579522-android-pay-note-3-a.html
https://forums.androidcentral.com/v...3/512346-mobile-payment-options-note-3-a.html
https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/connectivity/nfc/hce