Quick background about my flashing habits before we begin. My first Android phone was the G2, and I really liked it but wanted something with more power. About a year later I "upgraded" to the Sensation and immediately I was taken aback by how awful Sense is/was. It became my mission to get back to the pure Android feel and so I found the (original) HNS ROMs. Those were great, and that phone lives on today as my wifes primary device. Now I have a Gnex, and my "problem" is that it comes out of the box the way it took me a year+ to get my Sensation so there isnt much I want to change. Roughly 2 weeks ago I decided to flash CM9 to see what all the hype is about, and I can honestly say I dont see what the big deal is. Sure, I can change the governor and modify the LED for specific notifications but as far as I can tell thats about all you can do. Clearly there are other 'under the hood' modifications but none of them are immediately evident to me at least, and so I am about to flash JB.
Am I missing something huge that CM9 does that JB doesnt not? Is my analysis totally off? Let me know if JB is a mistake and if I should have stuck with CM9 in the comments below!
webmaster said:
Quick background about my flashing habits before we begin. My first Android phone was the G2, and I really liked it but wanted something with more power. About a year later I "upgraded" to the Sensation and immediately I was taken aback by how awful Sense is/was. It became my mission to get back to the pure Android feel and so I found the (original) HNS ROMs. Those were great, and that phone lives on today as my wifes primary device. Now I have a Gnex, and my "problem" is that it comes out of the box the way it took me a year+ to get my Sensation so there isnt much I want to change. Roughly 2 weeks ago I decided to flash CM9 to see what all the hype is about, and I can honestly say I dont see what the big deal is. Sure, I can change the governor and modify the LED for specific notifications but as far as I can tell thats about all you can do. Clearly there are other 'under the hood' modifications but none of them are immediately evident to me at least, and so I am about to flash JB.
Am I missing something huge that CM9 does that JB doesnt not? Is my analysis totally off? Let me know if JB is a mistake and if I should have stuck with CM9 in the comments below!
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It doesn't work for you, then ok. Nobody is going to convince you to use a specific ROM. Its YOUR preference and YOUR phone, so do as you please or better yet, make your own ROM the way you want. If you read you would know people like CM9 for its stability.
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Only change governor and led??? Are we talking about the same CM9?
CM9 have way more customization options than that.
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It doesn't work for you, then ok. Nobody is going to convince you to use a specific ROM. Its YOUR preference and YOUR phone, so do as you please or better yet, make your own ROM the way you want. If you read you would know people like CM9 for its stability.
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Dont get me wrong, I am not knocking CM9 in any way. However, I can tell you I had zero issue with the stock ICS build my phone came either. I am hoping JB proves to be just as stable.
lol a troll thread it is. nobody are allowed to blame CM. best android community ever! and now AOKP is also emerging. how dare you insult the only dev community that give free support for your device. you dont like it go away and keep it yourself. no need to tell it here. use stock rom and go play outside.
EDIT : ok... but still, whats your point of this thread? you want to try JB then go ahead. and since your stock ICS is working well just stick with it and wait for JB OTA. CM are already working on JB, its gonna be CM10. you dont follow news regularly i suppose... CM9 was started from scratch with no features for your info. and its still in RC! what do you expect....
SocialReject said:
Only change governor and led??? Are we talking about the same CM9?
CM9 have way more customization options than that.
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Agreed, but how many of them are actually useful and not just "cool"? After reviewing every single feature of the ROM I couldnt find anything else I thought was worth while. If you have specific examples please let me know, as I spent hours making the decision to ditch CM9 and I hope I made the right choice.
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Agreed, but how many of them are actually useful and not just "cool"? After reviewing every single feature of the ROM I couldnt find anything else I thought was worth while. If you have specific examples please let me know, as I spent hours making the decision to ditch CM9 and I hope I made the right choice.
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Stock ICS > CM9?
You're delusional.
Jelly Bean would've been a better argument because of project butter.
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SocialReject said:
Stock ICS > CM9?
You're delusional.
Jelly Bean would've been a better argument because of project butter.
Sent from the future.
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Correct, I am not running JB and I am making the comparison between it and CM9. I personally found nothing unstable in stock ICS however.
lol mate you can always try any roms easily. this is nexus device. you dont have to think long to ditch a rom... and we have nandroid too..
LuffyPSP said:
lol a troll thread it is. nobody are allowed to blame CM. best android community ever! and now AOKP is also emerging. how dare you insult the only dev community that give free support for your device. you dont like it go away and keep it yourself. no need to tell it here. use stock rom and go play outside.
EDIT : ok... but still, whats your point of this thread? you want to try JB then go ahead. and since your stock ICS is working well just stick with it and wait for JB OTA. CM are already working on JB, its gonna be CM10. you dont follow news regularly i suppose... CM9 was started from scratch with no features for your info. and its still in RC! what do you expect....
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Who is "insulting" CM team?? I have used their products for years and I think they do a great job. The purpose of this thread (if you bothered to read it) was to determine if I will be missing any functionality of CM9 by moving to JB. Assuming you are not currently using JB, then I respectfully ask you to move along and comment elsewhere. This thread is for people who have used both ROMs, and can comment about the differences. Please troll elsewhere LuffyPSP.
Not yet having a Nexus, I can see how CM9 wouldn't be such a big deal since you're coming from AOSP already. But for those of us running manufacturer-skinned-and-bloated devices, CM9 is really amazing. Lets us basically run Nexus software on better hardware.
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Not yet having a Nexus, I can see how CM9 wouldn't be such a big deal since you're coming from AOSP already. But for those of us running manufacturer-skinned-and-bloated devices, CM9 is really amazing. Lets us basically run Nexus software on better hardware.
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You nailed it right there, and that was the premise of my first post. Coming from a Sense "enhanced" device the AOSP experience was priceless and amazing. However once you are already running a pure Google experience (stock ICS ona Gnex) there is much less to improve upon. Hence my movement from CM9 to JB, and hence the thread you are now reading. Some people here need to relax and have a civil discussion (not you, some of the others)!
Was this thread really needed? Cm9 is a great rom remember what your parents should of told you if you have nothing good to say then do not say anything at all. So shhhh
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Was this thread really needed? Cm9 is a great rom remember what your parents should of told you if you have nothing good to say then do not say anything at all. So shhhh
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Wow, I guess we are back in kindergarten or something? I never once said a single negative thing about CM9. This thread is to discuss what features CM9 lacks that JB has, or the other way around. Do people even bother to read the thread before they chime in?
everybody is entitled to their opinion. And a ROM preference comes down to just that.
(without comparing features and what-not)
CM is living history in the world of Android development, specifically custom ROMs. I ran CM back on my original Droid when Koush first ported it (having to come up with ClockworkMod Recovery just to be able to do so, so that's one big thing that came about as an indirect result of CM). But Cyanogen was the first one to build a ROM from source, something that was a LOT harder back when he started. Many of Android's features were found in his ROMs first. While you may prefer this ROM or that, you should know that the CM team's impact on the android development community is only surpassed by Google itself (and it's by a narrow margin IMO). The CyanogenMod team is absolutely legendary and deserves more respect than that
as far as comparing CM9 to JB, it's apples to oranges. You won't see a CM JB ROM until source is released, that's how they work. And even still, it'll be a while before they get their ROM compiled, stable, and feature-packed
Came across this thread by accident... I think the users here was misled by the thread title... Anyway, i get what youre saying though about running aosp stock and cm9... You feel like youre not missing anything when running stock... Im not sure about stock ics but i think CM9 have alot of under the hood tweaks compare to stock... They may not be noticable to see but they are there hidden in codes ... May i say enhance in coding... Maybe wait for CM10, the wait will be worth it
Edit: apologize in advance if i misunderstood you
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Different folks different strokes. Glad you tried both and chose the one that works for you. Nothing wrong with stock.
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Different folks different strokes. Glad you tried both and chose the one that works for you. Nothing wrong with stock.
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The post that nailed it all.
I enjoy stock. Nothing wrong there. I enjoy CM9. Nothing wrong there. I don't enjoy AOKP. Nothing wrong there.
52brandon said:
You won't see a CM JB ROM until source is released, that's how they work. And even still, it'll be a while before they get their ROM compiled, stable, and feature-packed
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I remember when you would see CM before you would see the official ROM from Google... that was back during the G1 days... ah good times... Back then, he would release a basic rooted ROM then work out the extra features and bugs as he went along... but of course back then there was only one Android device, (and later only two or three) so it was easier.
The proliferation of different Android devices has really slowed down the CM development cycle. We are just now seeing a RC for CM9 and JB is already out in the wild.
CM has really influenced Android development as a whole... many features that come stock in Android today were first done by CM and then adopted into AOSP. I remember when Google Devs were asked at a press conference about specific features for a specific device... and they said "We won't do them, ask Cyanogen." Those guys have a lot of respect for Cyanogen, even way back when he worked on his own, and now he heads a huge team of Devs that rivals Google's in house team. (if not even larger)
There are a lot of little features that CM does that AOSP still doesn't and even others do not. Adjusting auto brightness settings are one I really like (especially on AMOLED screens) and also the color balance controls that help correct colors on AMOLED. There are other little tweaks and settings that you can do... and lots of code tweaks. Google must try to balance many aspects (performance/battery/multiple devices/differing hardware) with their code, but CM can focus on certain performance goals (in regards to all the mentioned aspects) and each version can be tweaked for its target device more than AOSP.
Basically CM is making AOSP the best it can be on the supported devices.
Marine6680 said:
I remember when you would see CM before you would see the official ROM from Google... that was back during the G1 days... ah good times... Back then, he would release a basic rooted ROM then work out the extra features and bugs as he went along... but of course back then there was only one Android device, (and later only two or three) so it was easier.
The proliferation of different Android devices has really slowed down the CM development cycle. We are just now seeing a RC for CM9 and JB is already out in the wild.
CM has really influenced Android development as a whole... many features that come stock in Android today were first done by CM and then adopted into AOSP. I remember when Google Devs were asked at a press conference about specific features for a specific device... and they said "We won't do them, ask Cyanogen." Those guys have a lot of respect for Cyanogen, even way back when he worked on his own, and now he heads a huge team of Devs that rivals Google's in house team. (if not even larger)
There are a lot of little features that CM does that AOSP still doesn't and even others do not. Adjusting auto brightness settings are one I really like (especially on AMOLED screens) and also the color balance controls that help correct colors on AMOLED. There are other little tweaks and settings that you can do... and lots of code tweaks. Google must try to balance many aspects (performance/battery/multiple devices/differing hardware) with their code, but CM can focus on certain performance goals (in regards to all the mentioned aspects) and each version can be tweaked for its target device more than AOSP.
Basically CM is making AOSP the best it can be on the supported devices.
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exactly. Hell, I think CM is the sole reason I even joined this forum when theming my D1 after Koush ported CM on another forum (I think alldroid or something like that initially). I remember the first experiments with JIT, and wow it was a ***** to get onto the D1 lol. I can't wait to see them play with JB when source drops. Cyanogen is your favorite developer's favorite developer
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I thought I'd clear some things up.
If I'm wrong please don't flame me, I'm only doing my best to subdue the general discontent in [sgh-t989]/[android development]...
Steve Kondik, also known as the creator of the godfather of all ROMS (cyanogenmod) personally owns one of our t989s (source:twitter). That, combined with the fact that this is a FLAGSHIP t-mo device probably means that our phone will be supported from the day that 9.0.0 drops.
Now, let me tell you what this means.
As you all know, for a device get non-kang CM9 our hardware must be fully supported. Camera, GPS, bluetooth, egl drivers all must work.
When a huge scale ROM like CM9 is cooked for so many devices I understand it goes something like this
[AOSP modified by Cyanogenmod(teamdouce)] +
[Android Kernel, also modified by Cyanogenmod]+
[Device tree]+
[A virgin sacrifice]=
CYANOGENMOD
Now the interesting bit, is that as soon as the device tree (Eg. Specific driver modifications for GPS, Camera, GPU) includes our device the device tree can be used to power OTHER AOSP ROMS like Miui
I know that gingerbread MIUI already makes use of the CM7 device tree, so in all likelihood they will use the CM9 device tree as well!!!
So in conclusion.
-Because CM9 has a high likelihood of dropping on our devices as soon as it comes out (most likely within the next 30 days)
-Because other AOSP-Based roms depend on the cyanogenmod device tree
-WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF FLASHING OPTIONS SOON
-Probably including CM9 AND MIUI v4 <<<<--------THAT **** CRAY
Thanks for your time, hope it helped
Don't forget the thanks button feels good when you push it.
there are a lot of other devices with cm9 alpha and we are still not an officially supported device. Still unofficially being worked on
I for one is not counting on it, frankly...
No matter how beautifully you phrase things, WE GOT NOTHING YET.
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[A virgin sacrifice] =
SO FREK'IN EXCITED!!!!!
thanks for the info bro looking forward to it
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there are a lot of other devices with cm9 alpha and we are still not an officially supported device. Still unofficially being worked on
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the thing is, many of those are KANGed as in not officially supported by CM team
of the few that officially are supported is Nexus S i9020 and SGS i9000
even the "classic" SGS2 i9100 is not fully supported by CM yet, there's more bugs than... well it's not usable as a daily driver
that was just before the end of last year
they might have improved it a bit by now
even the Nexus S version of CM9 is still very buggy, that's why i have the stock official ICS4 instead on my Nexus S
Please please use words like
"death of an era." Instead of virgin sacrifice. I don't believe in that
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iwasblown said:
Please please use words like
"death of an era." Instead of virgin sacrifice. I don't believe in that
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I don't believe in idiots, can you make them all go away?
It takes time for this stuff guys. Anyone remember how long it took to jump from donut to eclair to get a stable rom? And look how few devices there were that actually ran android. This whole "if its not done in 2 weeks then its never happening" thing is a bit unfair. Let the devs dev and those who do not can wait for them quietly.
Why this statement?
From a glaxay better than yours.
tl;dr
I am basing my entire post on the fact that Steve Kondik has our device and should theoretically be working on it.
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Steve Kondik aka Mr. Cyanogen also works for Samsung. I am sure he gets ALL Samsung devices...
corwest said:
It takes time for this stuff guys. Anyone remember how long it took to jump from donut to eclair to get a stable rom? And look how few devices there were that actually ran android. This whole "if its not done in 2 weeks then its never happening" thing is a bit unfair. Let the devs dev and those who do not can wait for them quietly.
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It only takes 2 weeks to modify the stock rom or cm7/9.
Its the expectation that is built when people act like quantity is all that matters. There are basically only 2 people making roms; Samsung and CM team, everyone else just waits on these 2 so that they could tweak and modify one of those 2. The funniest part is that the use of the word "kanging" is thrown around among these other people.
housecat93 said:
I thought I'd clear some things up.
If I'm wrong please don't flame me, I'm only doing my best to subdue the general discontent in [sgh-t989]/[android development]...
Steve Kondik, also known as the creator of the godfather of all ROMS (cyanogenmod) personally owns one of our t989s (source:twitter). That, combined with the fact that this is a FLAGSHIP t-mo device probably means that our phone will be supported from the day that 9.0.0 drops.
Now, let me tell you what this means.
As you all know, for a device get non-kang CM9 our hardware must be fully supported. Camera, GPS, bluetooth, egl drivers all must work.
When a huge scale ROM like CM9 is cooked for so many devices I understand it goes something like this
[AOSP modified by Cyanogenmod(teamdouce)] +
[Android Kernel, also modified by Cyanogenmod]+
[Device tree]+
[A virgin sacrifice]=
CYANOGENMOD
Now the interesting bit, is that as soon as the device tree (Eg. Specific driver modifications for GPS, Camera, GPU) includes our device the device tree can be used to power OTHER AOSP ROMS like Miui
I know that gingerbread MIUI already makes use of the CM7 device tree, so in all likelihood they will use the CM9 device tree as well!!!
So in conclusion.
-Because CM9 has a high likelihood of dropping on our devices as soon as it comes out (most likely within the next 30 days)
-Because other AOSP-Based roms depend on the cyanogenmod device tree
-WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF FLASHING OPTIONS SOON
-Probably including CM9 AND MIUI v4 <<<<--------THAT **** CRAY
Thanks for your time, hope it helped
Don't forget the thanks button feels good when you push it.
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I'd like to believe, I really would. And I hope this does come to fruition. However, even if it doesn't, the few ROMS we do have are pretty good, and our phone still outperforms almost anything else available right now, so I'll still be happy.
I do have one request, though. Can we figure out a way to make CM based ROMS happen without a virgin sacrifice? There are so many other things in life that require those, that they are starting to become scarce
The fact that lots of other phones have alphas and repositories available to even make kangs does not fare well for our device.
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guys chillax..slayher already has it booting..and that's news from december
good to know, thanks
Great phone, needs more dev time and hopefully that comes along with it when ics hits.
We got shafted early with the nexus release so close to the T989 and a dev that promised things but ran away.
New year brings new hope. Great respect for the devs that care about our phone.
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Let's hope the mods don't ban what little devs we have left...
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AznDud333 said:
guys chillax..slayher already has it booting..and that's news from december
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I don't follow, what do you mean by booting?
synergeticink said:
I don't follow, what do you mean by booting?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booting
I have tried a few others, liquid, alien, atom etc and none just seem to add up. I hate to sound condescending and by no means disrespectful but im looking for some others to play with. Customizable, leds, softkeys, statusbars, are some of the features I use a lot.
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I have tried a few others, liquid, alien, atom etc and none just seem to add up. I hate to sound condescending and by no means disrespectful but im looking for some others to play with. Customizable, leds, softkeys, statusbars, are some of the features I use a lot.
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you havent tried rasbean jelly
ocman40 said:
I have tried a few others, liquid, alien, atom etc and none just seem to add up. I hate to sound condescending and by no means disrespectful but im looking for some others to play with. Customizable, leds, softkeys, statusbars, are some of the features I use a lot.
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just search and try, dont create a thread that compares roms to eachother, this is just begging for trouble
Yea, don't want any drama just options that are similar. Thank you.
ocman40 said:
I have tried a few others, liquid, alien, atom etc and none just seem to add up. I hate to sound condescending and by no means disrespectful but im looking for some others to play with. Customizable, leds, softkeys, statusbars, are some of the features I use a lot.
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CM10, duh. I've tried quite a few as well and ended up going back to CM10. Their new update service is pretty slick if you flash a lot. I stick with CM's own kernel because it was designed for his build. Cyanogen has obviously put forth the most work in building android out of any developer out there and this is why I trust his work more than others on here. Multiple people are responsible for changes to the code and review what is to be submitted and not submitted for a better overall experience/compatibility; not just some random Joe Schmo developer tinkering with code.
You can't argue that Cyanogen and his team are the best devs on here, no one here has come close to what he's done with his build system for all of the devices he builds for. He makes CM a simple extension to vanilla android and compliments it very well.
I didn't even like sorcery when I tried it..
paranoidandroid for me
"I don't mean to be condescending" and "don't want any drama" do not belong in a thread such as this. You were better off trying all of them, and not some of them (and thinking it was all of them) and making a decision for yourself..
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CM10, duh. I've tried quite a few as well and ended up going back to CM10. Their new update service is pretty slick if you flash a lot. I stick with CM's own kernel because it was designed for his build. Cyanogen has obviously put forth the most work in building android out of any developer out there and this is why I trust his work more than others on here. Multiple people are responsible for changes to the code and review what is to be submitted and not submitted for a better overall experience/compatibility; not just some random Joe Schmo developer tinkering with code.
You can't argue that Cyanogen and his team are the best devs on here, no one here has come close to what he's done with his build system for all of the devices he builds for. He makes CM a simple extension to vanilla android and compliments it very well.
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Sure you can, and that isn't fair. People have blinders on if they think only CM are the best. CM is a team of over a 100 devs. They have the manpower needed to do what they do. Nobody else does.
One of CM's recent features that they tried to play off as totally original (and many believe it), was in a rom a month prior, the commit provided by someone who has no such "dev" status.
There is talent everywhere. CM is not the answer to it all.
good roms are never supposed to be mentioned. just saying. silly
adrynalyne said:
"I don't mean to be condescending" and "don't want any drama" do not belong in a thread such as this. You were better off trying all of them, and not some of them (and thinking it was all of them) and making a decision for yourself..
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What's up adr? Im still looking for rasbean to try. Never cared for the cm roms. Sorry if I offended ya.
ocman40 said:
What's up adr? Im still looking for rasbean to try. Never cared for the cm roms. Sorry if I offended ya.
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I'm not offended. I just know you are opening a can of worms
A can of angry, soul-sucking, evil worms that will snuff your life if given the chance.
ocman40 said:
What's up adr? Im still looking for rasbean to try. Never cared for the cm roms. Sorry if I offended ya.
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maguro or toro?
heres maguro http://fitsnugly.euroskank.com/?rom=rasbeanjelly&device=maguro
if you have a toro, press toro on the right side of the page. if you have a toro plus, UBER started a thread in the toro+ section. all the rasbean jelly rom support can be found in the trinity kernel thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1455874&page=2267
No offense taken. I just think what CM has does is the cleanest solution to a custom build of android for mobile devices. And there's a reason they have so many developers on their team.. and don't forget Cyanogen himself.
adrynalyne said:
I'm not offended. I just know you are opening a can of worms
A can of angry, soul-sucking, evil worms that will snuff your life if given the chance.
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Im 40 bro, those days are past for me lol. Just want some options. I just recently switched from my TB. Didn't you do some work on that? Your name seems familiar.
ocman40 said:
Im 40 bro, those days are past for me lol. Just want some options. I just recently switched from my TB. Didn't you do some work on that? Your name seems familiar.
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he did... he's part of BAMF.
ocman40 said:
Im 40 bro, those days are past for me lol. Just want some options. I just recently switched from my TB. Didn't you do some work on that? Your name seems familiar.
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Yeah, worked on the TB, and then switched to the Nexus when it came out last year.
akira02rex said:
CM10, duh. I've tried quite a few as well and ended up going back to CM10. Their new update service is pretty slick if you flash a lot. I stick with CM's own kernel because it was designed for his build. Cyanogen has obviously put forth the most work in building android out of any developer out there and this is why I trust his work more than others on here. Multiple people are responsible for changes to the code and review what is to be submitted and not submitted for a better overall experience/compatibility; not just some random Joe Schmo developer tinkering with code.
You can't argue that Cyanogen and his team are the best devs on here, no one here has come close to what he's done with his build system for all of the devices he builds for. He makes CM a simple extension to vanilla android and compliments it very well.
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From the Roms I've tried (which is every single one) I've found that cm10 is one of the lower on the totem pole when it come to features. A great ROM yes super fast and super stable yes but as for features.... not so much.
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vince7 said:
From the Roms I've tried (which is every single one) I've found that cm10 is one of the lower on the totem pole when it come to features. A great ROM yes super fast and super stable yes but as for features.... not so much.
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You're talking minimal differences man. How many more features does AOKP have over CM10? It's not as many as you think if you list them all, and besides, the CM team has their own that AOKP doesn't have.
adrynalyne said:
Sure you can, and that isn't fair. People have blinders on if they think only CM are the best. CM is a team of over a 100 devs. They have the manpower needed to do what they do. Nobody else does.
One of CM's recent features that they tried to play off as totally original (and many believe it), was in a rom a month prior, the commit provided by someone who has no such "dev" status.
There is talent everywhere. CM is not the answer to it all.
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What feature? I agree with you, it's not like Cyanogen, steve, whatever his name is, is doing the work for a few dozen devices. I just want to know what feature you're talking about?
Sorcery is nice but for me the performance wasn't there. Xenon HD seems to work best for me
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Hi guys,
So for the past week I think I have at least wiped/flashed/Odin'd different ROMs for my new Captivate Glide at least a hundred times. I've finally settled on thegreatergood's LiteROM 0.9.0 and it's working great for me. Not only the one ROM though as I've had to find many workarounds for different things. Flashables/kernels/apks you name it. Although I have no regrets and I'm really proud of how It's like a beast in my pocket, I am quite bothered by one thing which is that the whole thing feels like a big piece of patchwork..
Coming from a HTC Desire Z running CM7 serving me loyally for many years, I miss that officiality (<-- oops, red snakes.. not sure that's a word. Whatever. Shakespeare made his own words too right? ) and the stability that CM7 offered.
I'm a humble man, and possibly carry the apologetic traits of a typical Canadian. Instead of whining and/or nagging some senior developer to hurry up on their ICS or JB development I've decided to build my own CM instead.
However some thought, I think the reason why the JB based experimental CM 10.1s for the Captivate Glide have been a difficult task is because it's probably quite a challenge to build something from something that's not currently very well understood, namely the JB. So I thought, why not just build I nice and stable ROM based off of GB and if it does well it could probably officiated as a CM7 port for the Captivate Glide.
I have a feeling that this is a very plausible task. But I have no way to do it alone.. I have zilch experience in development in anything, had to drop out of my C++ course and have been doing nothing but lurking and leeching since I started modding when I was eleven. All I have is a vision. If someone could point me in the right direction or even form a development team with me, I would be very grateful.
And if this goes well, I will have gained some long overdue experience
So.. Anyone?
P.S. I guess this goes in this forum too. But my phone gets real angry when I flash certain things onto it. The biggest issue currently is that it will freeze and crash (more specifically the screen will freeze and fade into white lines..) whenever I try to use ClockWorkMod Recovery.. I dunno if the crappy 1500 mAh China battery I got ripped off with is an issue but I'm waiting on an OEM one in the mail..
Post in general not development bub...
And were on cm 10. Why fall back?
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I intend to turn it into development thread. But will have a better audience over General?
And maybe see it more like an educational project with a usuable product?
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hey bud im with you ... though I think CM9 would be better as ICS has been released, stable, and has a few more tweaks and features that CM7 didn't ... things like in JB where we have a transparent notification pull down, control over the dpi of certain apps etc.
First thing you should do is readup on the compile cm10 from source thread, get your feet wet there it'll get you all setup with a development system .. Linux is a must so I hope that you're savvy in the *nix shell or things will be antagonistic right off the start ...
I installed the CM9 recently and radio etc didn't work .. Guaranteed there is tonnes of information across all devices on xda-developers and even in general development threads.
Scroll through these forums, find the github links and learn how to setup your own, download the sources for the kernels from the other devs (theres a couple CM10.1s out there).
CM7 .. while I appreciate where you're coming from as i LOVED having CM7 on my Galaxy ACE - everything just worked... battery was great, it looked cool, and it was just off the stock enough to be unique and rub in iPhone users' faces
If I had the time I'd take it on with you .. chart your work and links that have helped you as you go along.
maybe he say that, because the glide have GB and ics officialy and not JB, so, if i understand what he say, maybe a romCM based y that version can be more stable, and less bugs, i was thinking about a CM9 too. But, if i remember correctly, it must create a device tree and a lot of thing, but i am not sure becausea never do a rom.
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maybe he say that, because the glide have GB and ics officialy and not JB, so, if i understand what he say, maybe a romCM based y that version can be more stable, and less bugs, i was thinking about a CM9 too. But, if i remember correctly, it must create a device tree and a lot of thing, but i am not sure becausea never do a rom.
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CM9 is based on ICS 4.0.4 ...
Check this link, not for our device but it offers some good insight to CM7 : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1273718
Another one for CM9 : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20844007
.... maybe I should just build a linux VM and give it a go in my spare time .... we're so starved for developers for our glides even amateur contributions can't hurt .... in the 2nd link the guy said it took him 11 months to learn how to mod for ICS from no experience so ..... depends on how much you want to commit to it ..
yohan4ws said:
CM9 is based on ICS 4.0.4 ...
Check this link, not for our device but it offers some good insight : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1273718
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yes, i know that, and i was thinking that a cm9 (because there is a ics fully working in the glide) can be a good option, but not sure
This doesn't belong here, please, some mod, move this to General. Thanks
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I intend to turn it into development thread. But will have a better audience over General?
And maybe see it more like an educational project with a usuable product?
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Flagged to be moved to general. If this turns into a dev thread, then you can flag to move it to the dev section, but you only post in the dev sections if you actually have a product or are actively working on something.
Your intentions seem great, but never wait for someone else to help you, otherwise it will never get done. No one is going to carry you through learning this.
There's a ton of guides out there on how to build, port, cherry pick CM commits, etc. etc. Go find them and start learning. Ask SPECIFIC questions if you have any.
No one shows up to college on day 1 and says I'd like to learn how to be a doctor, engineer, pharmacist, journalist, etc. There's a lot of steps in between. So go and get started.
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No one shows up to college on day 1 and says I'd like to learn how to be a doctor, engineer, pharmacist, journalist, etc.
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That doesn't make any sense.... lots of people show up to college and say that, and then enroll in the courses to do that ..
I've been around since cyanogenmod was just another rom along with bugless beast and whatever the hell was running things on eclair/mytouch and ive compiled kernels hundreds of times back when slackware linux 3.5 was out so i feel like im somewhat of a vet and i appreciate the fact that i have a nice little linux device permanently connected to a broadband connection with so much support in a neat little package.
=)!
and yet i never say anything on XDA i just appreciate... unfortunately i cant post in the development forum because i dont say much ;/
big thumbs up to cyanogenmod for taking their work so seriously and being so persistent, you guys must really love what you do, trust me i know the feeling =]
i just got this phone last week and before i did anything i rooted and installed the latest CM with whatever kernel appealed to me in the dev forum and i thought seriously my screen was defective i had no idea it was just a rom/kernel issue so im glad that over with.
i updated to cm22, and the flicker started again when using the 4/20 KT kernel so ill just stick with cm20 +kt420 for now what an unbelievable combo!
and i'm kinda disappointed in AOKP every time i check the AOKP/task thread somebody is always complaining about something that doesn't work... AOKP used to be my favorite. (when the ICS days began atleast.. i loved it on my gnex)
and by the way... to people having problems flashing between kernels, when you flash a kernel, wipe cache/dalvik, then flash the rom again, then gapps, then the new kernel. kernels include more things than just addition lines of code nowadays and thats the simplest way to work around most issues i see people posting about.
that is all!
Somebody is always complaining about things not working? I see every post in my thread and I don't see what you are talking about. 99.9% of the people that post state how well everything works. The people that complain are the ones that don't follow the simple installation instructions. You might need to read through the thread again. Or just try it out for yourself.
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Somebody is always complaining about things not working? I see every post in my thread and I don't see what you are talking about. 99.9% of the people that post state how well everything works. The people that complain are the ones that don't follow the simple installation instructions. You might need to read through the thread again. Or just try it out for yourself.
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+1, agreed.
Just like the guy who wants to request a theme for a rom, that morphology has for that same rom.
READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Coming from the skyrocket which had a pretty good community I am really pleased with what developers do in their spare time and decide to share when it comes to this device.
There are so many options it can keep a flash junkie busy for a while.
Keep up the great work devs!
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I love these threads....I have an idea: If you are disappointed why don't you step up and create a solution or make your own ROM? Its easy to complain about FREE work when you don't contribute whatsoever.
True, don't complain about something people spend all their time on and give away for free ...
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We have a large dev community compared to many devices out there. I actually came from a galaxy nexus because I got bored of only aosp roms that were all pretty much the same.
(sorry, had to do it )
Tasks AOKP is by far the best ROM out there for the AT&T S3. I have run it longer than any other ROM i've tried and have had absolutely zero problems with it. I will never use anything else for this phone. Just my personal experience of course.
Whoaa guys ease up on the bashing... OP had only one sentence in his post that was negative everything else was positive.
I think everyone appreciates the hard work and time that devs put into all the different roms/kernels available out there.
Up until the late, I can agree that the 3.4 kernel builds (for any ROM including Tasks) weren't all that great which is why I was using CarbonROM with the BMS kernel (3.0).
But I updated to Tasks 4/23 and everything has been great...super super smooth.
Tasks updated kernel has been smooth. I'm running his newest now, flashes it a few hours ago and love it. The devs for the S3 are wonderful. So many more options than other android phones I've had in the past.
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If I'm reading right, OP is disappointed in AOKP and Task's AOKP.... and hasn't tried them yet?
It takes me longer to download a ROM than it does to flash it, restore data and check out all the main features for functionallity..... and you're calling them out by name without trying them?
Gutsy move.
Nothing wrong with AOKP and we have a fantastic aosp community. They seem to be more active then the original development. If anything I'm disappointed with the lack of touchwiz ROMs. All and all. We have a good community and a good group of developers here. /end thread.
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This thread sucks, I want the last 5 minutes back
3rd party ROMs are always works in progress. its not like anyone here is hiding the fact that these are all "in development". not all ROMs are "for" everyone, but that's the beauty of it, there's a flavor for everyone.
I personally prefer ROMs that are subtle improvements to the stock experience which give me a more enhanced version of what Samsung intended. BUT, there are times I'll think about getting a nexus 4, so I'll run a aosp/cm/aokp based ROM while scratching that itch. or those days I wished I had a note 2, we've got options with multi window and page buddy fully working.
if you don't like it, don't use it... simple as that. I've never critisized a ROM or developer if I don't "get" their work, that just means its not a good fit for me and I move on.
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This thread sucks, I want the last 5 minutes back
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Here you go, enjoy!
Task and his minions bashing another nice guy stating his appreciation...... Big surprise.
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Task and his minions bashing another nice guy stating his appreciation...... Big surprise.
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Huh?
1.) Looks as though you forgot something as simple as reading. Read my post again. If you consider any of that one post as bashing then I think you might need to check the emotional state you are in at the time that you read it.
2.) You're definitely not reading the OP. He pretty much stated that he hasn't even tried the ROM before judging it. That right there speaks for itself.
3.) Please do yourself a favor and grow up a little. Stirring up the pot with the highschool antics doesnt accomplish anything.
4.) Gold stars for you dude. Keep on contributing this wasteful drama here in a development site. That makes a ton of sense.
I'm new to HTC (but certainly not new to the world of custom ROMs). Is there a likelihood we'll see ROMs not based on HTC's software? Has HTC been good in the past releasing the necessary software to the developers to port other ROMs to this device? This is the only major thing I feel is missing with this phone. I'm enjoying having my root apps back and whatnot but I do miss having those truly custom ROMs.
We absolutely will see a ton of ROMS. It's just going to take some time. The device is brand new. Give it some time. Based on timing, it's also possible some devs are going to just jump right into N adding a little delay.
Either way, this is a dev friendly flagship, so we will definitely get variety.
yes it would get a ton of custom roms...
but definitely not a pure aosp rom or rom built from scratch on aosp for HTC 10 or any of the HTC devices so far...
that only happens with very few devices and definitely our pure love Nexus!!!!!
i miss those aosp builds already and still holding onto Nexus because ofthat....
Me too, im looking forward for them. I just jumped from a nexus 5, and i'm very pleased with the 10 but i do miss the customization and the pure android feel. God bless the developers, and hopefully we gonna see a pure aosp rom soon
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To be honest it all depends. 1. If the development get the device or 2. Some one gets it and does the work. The second option is most likely as most development teams fight only nexus devices and leave the other devices to people that buy them.
friendly bump it's August...safe to say no hope for any other types of ROMs?
Just bought my wife a gold OnePlus3. It's like a Nexus...stupid simple OEM unlock and ROMs up to wahzoo....tempting to switch over. I still like the display and the audio on the HTC 10 for now. It's pretty snappy and I'm happy with Viper but I do miss all the other "tweaks."
The main resaon for missing other Rom's is the later Release of this Device. But i think u only need one ROM, its Viper that u use... i recive my Device this Month and i know that i dont miss this CM Based things.
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friendly bump it's August...safe to say no hope for any other types of ROMs?
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Not even close! Check the cm13 dev thread, development is more or less just getting started in porting it over (even though a lot has already been done, just what's left is not small)
A lot of custom AOSP roms start with cm as a base, so once they get the rest of the hardware/kernel level stuff figured out you'll start seeing the typical wave of them shortly thereafter.
Just remember this stuff is a hobby and it's summer time (at least in the states) so be patient.
Honestly, I've held out even unlocking so far in part because of this. There's enough on stock that the value isn't there for me until there's a tasty selection of both AOSP and sense roms for me to try
With all the stuff going on surrounding Cyanogen I wouldn't be surprised if we stop seeing CM ROM development altogether.
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Not even close! Check the cm13 dev thread, development is more or less just getting started in porting it over (even though a lot has already been done, just what's left is not small)
A lot of custom AOSP roms start with cm as a base, so once they get the rest of the hardware/kernel level stuff figured out you'll start seeing the typical wave of them shortly thereafter.
Just remember this stuff is a hobby and it's summer time (at least in the states) so be patient.
Honestly, I've held out even unlocking so far in part because of this. There's enough on stock that the value isn't there for me until there's a tasty selection of both AOSP and sense roms for me to try
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isn't aosp based and cm based both different....
SacredDeviL666 said:
isn't aosp based and cm based both different....
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I guess it depends on how specific one needs to be on the definition. CM is an AOSP-based ROM, see http://www.cyanogenmod.org/about, so any other ROM using CM as a base would in my eyes ultimately be AOSP-based itself. Put into analog, let's say you take some wood and build a chair. Then later you cut down that chair a bit to make a foot stool, maybe cut in a cup-holder and paint on some cool new QS tiles. Is that stool made out of wood or made out of chair?
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isn't aosp based and cm based both different....
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I guess it depends on how specific one needs to be on the definition. CM is an AOSP-based ROM, see http://www.cyanogenmod.org/about, so any other ROM using CM as a base would in my eyes ultimately be AOSP-based itself. Put into analog, let's say you take some wood and build a chair. Then later you cut down that chair a bit to make a foot stool, maybe cut in a cup-holder and paint on some cool new QS tiles. Is that stool made out of wood or made out of chair?
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CM is now as far away from AOSP as any other oem based rom.
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CM is now as far away from AOSP as any other oem based rom.
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that is very true
but the point i was trying to make there was that most if not all non-oem roms (at least for htc handsets) rooted in AOSP are either based on cm or wind up getting ported with a HAL cherry-picked from cm. (just what i've seen)
the first domino has gotta fall
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that is very true
but the point i was trying to make there was that most if not all non-oem roms (at least for htc handsets) rooted in AOSP are either based on cm or wind up getting ported with a HAL cherry-picked from cm. (just what i've seen)
the first domino has gotta fall
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You would really be amazed. Most people are avoiding use anything from cm. Maybe only the theme engine but that isn't even really theirs. With CM history of not testing commits and bugs that have been around for years unfixed. Many are finding it easier just to not deal with cm. Plus the main devs ticked alot of devs off so they won't use it out of principles.
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You would really be amazed. Most people are avoiding use anything from cm. Maybe only the theme engine but that isn't even really theirs. With CM history of not testing commits and bugs that have been around for years unfixed. Many are finding it easier just to not deal with cm. Plus the main devs ticked alot of devs off so they won't use it out of principles.
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I've always felt CM 6-7 was very well polished and after so many devices being introduced, has lost it's reliability and polishness that OEMs offer after CM 7.
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I've always felt CM 6-7 was very well polished and after so many devices being introduced, has lost it's reliability and polishness that OEMs offer after CM 7.
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You would really be amazed. Most people are avoiding use anything from cm. Maybe only the theme engine but that isn't even really theirs. With CM history of not testing commits and bugs that have been around for years unfixed. Many are finding it easier just to not deal with cm. Plus the main devs ticked alot of devs off so they won't use it out of principles.
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Yeah I'm basing all that off what I saw with the jewel which I just now jumped from. I'm a coder but not an Android dev by any stretch, and was rolling my own cm for the better part of the past year and dabbled in porting briefly.
I can totally see what you're saying though. At some point you get too many hands in the pot and it becomes more curse than blessing.
Sorry to bump this up again but is there any active development on AOSP for the 10? Haven't seen anything yet.
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Sorry to bump this up again but is there any active development on AOSP for the 10? Haven't seen anything yet.
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keep checking http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/development
there is this one there already http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/development/rom-validusos-m-gzr-23-08-2016-t3446373
but still with a few bugs, give it a little more time and we should get something for daily driver
anything yet?
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