Im curious, the imagesense found on the One X supossedly makes the shutter speed faster, improves the quality on the pictures and videos taken with the phone but they use propietary drivers, so they're not used on AOSP roms like CM10 or AOKP, is the chip never going to be usable on these roms?
Yeah. I like to know that too
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Interesting... I haven't heard about that one. How much difference does it make just out of interest?
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Interesting... I haven't heard about that one. How much difference does it make just out of interest?
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Difficult to say, since the images and videos are massively over compressed.
Pretty sure that's the Sense camera app and not the chip, though.
If you mean the sense camera then no..it is possible..but too difficult to get it working on aosp based roms..
hello00 said:
If you mean the sense camera then no..it is possible..but too difficult to get it working on aosp based roms..
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No, no im not refering to sense camera, supossedly the one series phone have a dedicated chip for processing images and videos recording check this:
"HTC was proud to announce that not only are the phones awesome, built extremely well, trimmed down and run fast with HTC Sense, but they’ve also developed a new technology called ImageSense. HTC has actually added a separate processing core for the camera alone. So a dual-core phone will actually have three cores.
The ImageSense chip will not only offload the duties from the regular processor to keep the phone and operating system fast and stable. It will leave the camera completely uninterrupted to take quality, impressive photos. This also allows super-fast shooting possible with a 0.7-second shot time and a 0.2-second autofocus."
http://androidcommunity.com/htc-one-x-photos-show-off-new-imagesense-camera-technology-20120302/
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No, no im not refering to sense camera, supossedly the one series phone have a dedicated chip for processing images and videos recording check this:
"HTC was proud to announce that not only are the phones awesome, built extremely well, trimmed down and run fast with HTC Sense, but they’ve also developed a new technology called ImageSense. HTC has actually added a separate processing core for the camera alone. So a dual-core phone will actually have three cores.
The ImageSense chip will not only offload the duties from the regular processor to keep the phone and operating system fast and stable. It will leave the camera completely uninterrupted to take quality, impressive photos. This also allows super-fast shooting possible with a 0.7-second shot time and a 0.2-second autofocus."
http://androidcommunity.com/htc-one-x-photos-show-off-new-imagesense-camera-technology-20120302/
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That sounds a bit misguided. The SoC has some space devoted to image processing, it's not another general processing core!
BenPope said:
That sounds a bit misguided. The SoC has some space devoted to image processing, it's not another general processing core!
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Its not another general processing core but its a dedicated discrete chip for the camera so not part of the SOC, could be image processing parts there as well ofc.
Granted this is about the MSM8960 One X but from what I've read the camera stuff is the same for all One S/X models and in part also for One V.
Source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5779/htc-one-x-for-att-review/5
"HTC’s ImageChip is responsible for most of the things that would traditionally be done on the SoC ISP. 3A (Autofocus, Auto white balance, and Autoexposure), lens correction (geometric and chromatic correction), noise reduction, best shot selection, continuous auto focus, controlling gains on the CMOS sensor, LED flash level decision, region of interest identification (augmented with face detection) and so on. This is all stuff you can verify yourself by taking apart some of the ISP related files - curiously enough internally ImageChip is actually referred to as “rawchip.” This is also the hardware responsible for enabling HTC’s extremely fast image continuous capture and frame grabbing during video capture (HTC Video Pic). It’s somewhat analogous to what Google and TI did with the OMAP4460 on the Galaxy Nexus, except discrete and with a much more ambitious focus."
More here in the One S review: http://www.anandtech.com/Show/Index...ug=htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile
Discrete? That surprises me, and I stand corrected.
Guess HTC aren't ambitious enough to expect sales of these phones to be high enough to work it in as a part of the SoC. That's at least a quid to the cost of the phone right there!
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Discrete? That surprises me, and I stand corrected.
Guess HTC aren't ambitious enough to expect sales of these phones to be high enough to work it in as a part of the SoC. That's at least a quid to the cost of the phone right there!
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Guess it enables HTC to have a consistently nice camera experience for users across their phones while picking whatever SOC is best/cheapest/comes with the right air interface for a region or carrier. Lol I feel like a PR parrot after typing that... Anyways IF a dev ever gets it working on AOSP for any device it might be easier to port it to other devices. I hear its not impossible, just a massive undertaking and will bring a lot of Sense framework which is not useful for much besides the camera, or maybe documentation will be released sometime. Now I'm just a hardware nerd with zero programming experience so take that with a grain of salt, I'd love to be proven wrong though
I can imagine the camera apk needing sense, but not the chip driver. Reverse engineering that driver and pulling in its dependencies could be a pain, as well of course as creating a new camera app.
If only there were more hours in the day...
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Has anybody yet hacked the DEFY to expose this supported capability ?
Sorry but allegedly, it is not supported.
Hardware limitations.
Wouldent it be limited just by the CPU support? If its the 3630, then it would support 720p
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delete the space between ti. and com for the url to work. Cause im new I cant post URLs :\
Isn't 100% sure... can be a 3630 or 3610 ( with GPU )
In my opinion, motorola created a massive production 3630 is cheaper than make 1m 3610 ( with gpu ) and 1m more 3630...
And declarated as an 3610 processor to sell more Droid2/X.
It's a simply market strategy.
If a developer knows if defy have a 3630 processor and can record 720P ( if no camera limitations ), can be good as droid2/x and of course the price as much better.
the defy processor overclocks the same a DROID 2/X with the same Vsel, and the Scores are the same too...
Please gutting the phone once to clarify this...
PD: excuse my ****ing bad english.
Looking at some public motorola source code, it does support 720p. It just seems to be commented all over the place.
Also early DEFY testers got roms with 720p support ...
BizzaBoy said:
Looking at some public motorola source code, it does support 720p. It just seems to be commented all over the place.
Also early DEFY testers got roms with 720p support ...
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I think defy with 720P will be great! the defy camera quality it's amazing on android 2.1, and with froyo i supose will be AHhh!!!!!
Doesn't seem to be a huge amount of support for the phone in this forum. Not the worst mind you. Amazing phone I wish more hackers and chefs would give it a try.
Not sure about the defy camera. It's nowhere near as good as XT701 camera. Meant to be 5mp but average quality as soon as light drops.
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Not sure about the defy camera. It's nowhere near as good as XT701 camera. Meant to be 5mp but average quality as soon as light drops.
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That can be the driver, or Eclair version? THe defy's camera it's better than a loot of phones, incluiding, htc hd2, nexus one, desire, wave...etc
Maybe in low light conditions, it's bad, and with Android 2.1... i supose need an improvement
Defy's camera is bad, very bad. Nokia N95 and N97 are the two better mobile cameras I have seen. Omnia cam (my last phone) is too better than Defy's one. Luckily I don't use the mobile to take photos... because I bought a reflex looking for quality.
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Looking at some public motorola source code, it does support 720p. It just seems to be commented all over the place.
Also early DEFY testers got roms with 720p support ...
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Where can I get the public source code you are talking about?
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Where can I get the public source code you are talking about?
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The source is at opensource.motorola.com. Click yourself throu the projects.
Perilla_ said:
Defy's camera is bad, very bad. Nokia N95 and N97 are the two better mobile cameras I have seen. Omnia cam (my last phone) is too better than Defy's one. Luckily I don't use the mobile to take photos... because I bought a reflex looking for quality.
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I do own a DSLR (Pentax K20 with an awesome 50-135mm lens). I do own a Camcorder (Samsung HMX-H204). I do own (well my wife and kiddos) various types of P&S cameras. I am a picture/image/video quality freak (by profession).
However if I want to take a quick snap while I'm out there an Skiing, then NOTHING beats the DEFY's camera. It's conveniant (as you have it with you to listen to music anyway). You take a quick clip, or snap a few pictures, and send it over to facebook right away from the slopes, so that the suckers at home can see it right away. Yes, I can get better shots with my DSLR, but that is carrying 2kg extra with me, and yes, I can get better video with the Camcorder, but that is not IP67 rated.
So conveniance wins. The only 2 nagging points for me are that the DEFY could do 720p, but it's not enabled, and that there is no way to set the JPEG quality in the camera app.
Yes, all true, but comparing defy's cam with other phones... no win xD
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Yes, all true, but comparing defy's cam with other phones... no win xD
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No' that's not 100% true, if can improve the camera compression, the quality will be 10 times better.
If i compare Samsung wave camera VS Defy = Defy Wins in good light conditions.
But compared with the three other phones I had, Defy loose.
tomeu0000 said:
No' that's not 100% true, if can improve the camera compression, the quality will be 10 times better.
If i compare Samsung wave camera VS Defy = Defy Wins in good light conditions.
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You might want to try out "Camera 360" then, which allows you to adjust the compression. However for some reason it sucks up a huge amount of power.
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But compared with the three other phones I had, Defy loose.
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If you are taking picture in whiteout conditions while snowing, the DEFY wins. If you are out there and biking and it's raining cats and dogs, the DEFY wins.
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Before I forget. 640x480 on the DEFY can get up to 3 mbit/sec (2.5 as I've seen in streams). The source implies that 1280x720 would be limited to 3 mbit/sec as well. That would probably impact the 720p quality substatially (or the frame-rate, as the "Droid X" only does 720p with 24 fps. So not sure whether it's desireable to have 720p ...
When it's raining, I don't go bike... Have you tried N95 or N97 camera?
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HTC Bresson, just revealed by This is my next as being on T-Mobile's roadmap, is the 16-megapixel Windows Phone 7 handset we recently saw a commercial for. According to the blog, Bresson is coming "beyond" the September 2011 timeframe, making it sound like a holiday release is in the cards -- and thus a likely Windows Phone 7.5 Mango build. Note that the hardware being displayed here is almost definitely just a placeholder for the real Bresson, as it seems to be little more than a modified Desire S.
Besides Bresson, we're also expecting HTC to bring the Ignite slate and Prime QWERTY slider to the WP7 family this year, although carriers for those devices (if they are coming to the US at all) remain a mystery. Bresson will likely only be rivaled in the megapixel count by the Altek Leo and Nokia N9/N950, whose premiere teaser advertisement we spotted earlier today. However, as many observers have noted, pixel count alone is not the most significant factor in determining picture quality.
Just a pity the device is HTC made.
They make the worst cameras don't they.
doministry said:
Just a pity the device is HTC made.
They make the worst cameras don't they.
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agreed. I am curious to see a new Samsung or what Nokia is going to bring Post-Mango.
doministry said:
Just a pity the device is HTC made.
They make the worst cameras don't they.
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Yea, I was thinking the same thing. Their cameras are...ok, not great. 16mp or 250mp, what's the difference if your quality is just...ok...????
Maybe we'll be impressed but, I'm not counting on anything myself.
Chances are this is the new Sony Exmor R module in the phone. Remember, manufacturers do not make all of a product in these kind of devices (LG/Samsung screens, Qualcomm chip, etc).
I am guessing HTC is not in the optics business. But I could be wrong.
Of course, putting a nice camera module in your phone is only half the battle; you still have to do some programming to get it to work well.
This is... weird.
Looking at the bigger picture here, you would have thought looking at their previous models that HTC would choose Android for a phone that's quite clearly going to be a high end flagship, they wouldn't put a 16mp camera in something that isn't going to be a big model for them.
I wonder if this indicates a shift in their preferred OS, or maybe I'm just reading too much into this
The Snapdragon 8x50 and 8x55 support up to 12 megapixels. The 8x60, which Windows Phone 7 does not currently support, supports 16 megapixels.
Edit: Though I did just notice that the official Qualcomm page says the 8x60 supports Windows Phone: http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/specs
Sounds like it will be pretty nice.
my next WP7 device will be NOKIA......
It is a great sales pitch.
The only HTC device I ever used was the HD7 and the camera was dreadful.
I guess it's just me but HTC seem to make phone that all look roughly the same.
At this time I think I'm going to be looking at the Nokia's WP7 models available In the first quarter of 2012 and pick up one of those.
I don't buy the phone for only the camera. Agree that HTC usually have a worse Camera than other smartphone, but they have a better build quality. Almost all HTC device look damn sexy. For example: HTC Leo and it's younger brother.
if youre into phone camera, nokia is the way to go. a lot of people are very impressed with phone camera nokia has in each of its phone releases. im sure nokia will bring that to their wp7 release. another thing, nokia also has phone releases that are very appealing to teens and they are way cheaper.lol!
well, with stock software my 12mp mozart is ok in daylight situation.
the updated software for the camera (which still hasnt been officially released)
is just awesome, it does near perfect pictures
ive uploaded two of them, currently im not running the updated camera and pictures tend to be bad quallity.
htc really need to step it up, get all parts of their phone working flawless together... like the xenon flash...
root beer said:
I guess it's just me but HTC seem to make phone that all look roughly the same.
At this time I think I'm going to be looking at the Nokia's WP7 models available In the first quarter of 2012 and pick up one of those.
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Nope. Not just you.
What HTC DOES do is reuse their shell and specs, as seen in all the Leo-ish devices. However, that design is a simple, yet beautiful design. I loved my HD2's design & I think the HD7 improved on it in every aspect. But you also have the EVO and such which use the same design.
webwalk® said:
well, with stock software my 12mp mozart is ok in daylight situation.
the updated software for the camera (which still hasnt been officially released)
is just awesome, it does near perfect pictures
ive uploaded two of them, currently im not running the updated camera and pictures tend to be bad quallity.
htc really need to step it up, get all parts of their phone working flawless together... like the xenon flash...
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Xcuse me but which 12mpx on your Mozart?!
A typo I think
Anyway daylight pics are easy for almost any camera today.
Show some night ones or in difficult light than we can talk.
aww its only 8 x(
however, in lowlight it gets grain and noisy,
the xenon provides good light for close ups, but thats it
well all im sayin is htc need to push some updates for cameras
but the hardware should be capable of making good pictures...
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Just a pity the device is HTC made.
They make the worst cameras don't they.
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Also, touchscreens are poor too compared to Samsung/Apple and probably others. I have the HD7 and it doesn't track smoothly in the horizontal axis (with the phone in portrait more). Presume the HD2 and Desire HD are the same.
(can't post links still)
youtube[dot]com/watch?v=gymA26jqtTQ
It's really the only thing that's stopping me from buying the Galaxy Nexus. In my opinion the Galaxy Nexus can't take video if that's what it's producing. Anyone here a photography master of sorts that can shed some light on this issue?
Through my research I've found that the jello effect caused by a rolling shutter can be fixed in post production, but is something like this fixable via software/firmware on the phone?
What's going on? It's a bit shocking that nobody is concerned about this issue.
are you serious? "what's going on?"
it's quite obviously image stabilisation.
The sensor basically just relays data, OMAP camera hardware interface process it (stabilisation etc...) and Android presents, maybe tweaks it a bit and saves it.
So an eventual "fix" would be in OMAP firmware, not Android right?
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The sensor basically just relays data, OMAP camera hardware interface process it (stabilisation etc...) and Android presents, maybe tweaks it a bit and saves it.
So an eventual "fix" would be in OMAP, not Android right?
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I don't know, but there is an option in Google Talk to change image stabilisation effect.
I have the same thing,but I think that it is image stabilization.
I've just replicated this issue and must say.. I'm totally not bothered! The image stabilisation is actually pretty good and the ony time i can make it do this is if I jiggle the camera... unless youre planning on trying to mock up an earthquake effect, I dont see this being an action you would do. In fact, due to the good image stabilisation, its pretty hard to do this jiggle accidentally, you must be quite determined to create this "jelly" effect (I'm in the UK, hence I get a jelly effect, not jello )
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091124183445AA8XEj5
If you don't want to read, its because it uses a CMOS sensor. Affects cell phones and DSLRs alike. Hardware related.
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are you serious? "what's going on?"
it's quite obviously image stabilisation.
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May I ask what makes you so sure?
The video effect shown in the original post and in others if you look, mirrors exactly that of the "jello effect" caused by a rolling shutter, i.e. the sensor, more importantly, CMOS sensors. From what I've found: all cameras, even professional DSLR's have this "jello effect" caused by rolling shutters on CMOS sensors. The only, and most common fix I've found is to edit the video in post production.
It's not quite obviously image stabilization considering how this issue is reproduced in the exact same scenario a rolling shutter w/ CMOS sensor would to create the jello effect. Otherwise the issue would occur all the time and not only when panning quickly. The video below should explain.
youtube[dot]com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ITkLwVgxo98#t=61s
This may not be the best example, but it should show you what I am talking about. Others like this can be found by doing a simple Google or YouTube search.
The problem is oscillik is both a) incorrect, and b) an asshole. A dangerous combination to be sure!
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The problem is oscillik is both a) incorrect, and b) an asshole. A dangerous combination to be sure!
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LOL, funny stuff.
I know what rolling shutter effect on CMOS based cameras is. This looks more excessive than rolling shutter, and looks more like image stabilisation.
People really need to stop thinking that SmartPhones are the end all be all. Unless a phone is specifically dedicated for a camera as it's main feature, then of course people should be concerned.
People here really plan on shooting lots of hd video with their phone? If quality really matters a dedicated camera would be better served...from what I can see this is pretty trivial. Then again, the only thing I take video of is dyno runs and fun in bed...
Again not hardware involved!!!
I`m N00B in this forum but i was being for a 4 months downloading roms, from here, so hi everybody....
for this treati have a reply: ITS NOT THE CAMERA ROLLING SHUTTER, ACTUALLY IS THE CAMERA APP!!!!
from the same channel, the same guy, the same galaxy nexus, but different app:
www(dot)youtube(DOT)com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=SFSLnjqIssY
A WAY BETTER...
i saw the noob video, here in xda you have a great group of trollz,
Roxxer_x46 said:
I`m N00B in this forum but i was being for a 4 months downloading roms, from here, so hi everybody....
for this treati have a reply: ITS NOT THE CAMERA ROLLING SHUTTER, ACTUALLY IS THE CAMERA APP!!!!
from the same channel, the same guy, the same galaxy nexus, but different app:
www(dot)youtube(DOT)com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=SFSLnjqIssY
A WAY BETTER...
i saw the noob video, here in xda you have a great group of trollz,
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Awesome! Glad to see this fixed, and nice find by the way. An update to the default camera app will come I'm sure. Until then this essentially fixed the problem, whatever it was, if image stabilization, I stand corrected.
it is image stabilisation, as has been proven by the fact that using another application gets rid of it.
Roxxer_x46 said:
I`m N00B in this forum but i was being for a 4 months downloading roms, from here, so hi everybody....
for this treati have a reply: ITS NOT THE CAMERA ROLLING SHUTTER, ACTUALLY IS THE CAMERA APP!!!!
from the same channel, the same guy, the same galaxy nexus, but different app:
www(dot)youtube(DOT)com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=SFSLnjqIssY
A WAY BETTER...
i saw the noob video, here in xda you have a great group of trollz,
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Would be nice if this comparison could be done using the software mentioned above...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyRxJ5zKSO8&sns=em
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Here's a 1080p video I took at a Football stadium. Big game, I luckily shot the only goal at Arsenal Vs Man City on Tuesday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxsdD7iPpnM&feature=g-all
I tried using the LGCamera app mentioned in the YouTube post but it crashes on launch. Has anyone else had any luck?
GSM version running 4.01.
I use 720p because of the 30fps. 1080p is 24fps on the Gnex.
No thanks to 24fps.
That explains why image stabilization is having a hard time at stabilizing the image at that resolution at the frame rate.
I think image stabilization works best at higher frame rates.
My two cents.
Having said that, I do feel rolling shutter is a underrated issue with smart phones and point and shot. I would much rather have 720p without rolling shutter than 1080p with in.
I think post processing like deshaker is some cool stuff too. There are some really cool videos on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaPNf2Rk4qQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX2v73SOqMk
If they could do deshaking in realtime and eliminate rolling shutting... That would be cool. Some day.
A lot of fuss was made over the "ImageSense" chip in the One series, especially the One X and One S, but when an HTC tweet mentioned a blog post (also by HTC employees) where they took it out on a trip and took some shots I was eager to see the results. The first impression was that the thumbnails looked great so I clicked through to the full-size images and ......... that's where I sat in shock at how really poor the image quality was. There was noise in around 50% of the image, lack of detail in most areas and it just plain sucked.
I commented on the article, as did others, all commenting on how poor it was for a supposed fantastic camera with all new ImageSense chip. After a while the person who posted the photos replied saying they were uploaded in reduced quality to save on load times and that full versions would be uploaded soon. At that time the full size images that I'd seen were removed. No new images were posted the last time I looked and as I now own the One X I've seen for myself that, sadly, this is the actual quality of the camera. No matter the light or subject I have noise and lost detail all over.
Is my experience here unique or are others finding that, for a supposedly fantastic camera phone with new chip specifically for photos, it just plain sucks?
Photos taken with HOX have a lot of noise indeed.. Sadly, HOX camera cannot compare to my ex iPhone 4s' camera.
EDIT: you might wanna look into that thread.
It's not that the sensor is bad, it's just really really bad compression on the pictures that is applied by the stock camera. Using a different camera app yields much sharper images.
Can you be more specific what app are you using? Isn't compression done before image even reaches any app?
Of course not, compression is performed only when dumping the image to storage. Until then, it's only RAW memory.
I'm facing the same issue now.. I must try another Photo APP...
Any ideas?!
Maybe is the compression you can try to use camera fv-5
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I also feel that the camera isnt up to the standard as my old iPhone 4 was. Thought it was just me.
Anyone have a suggestion for a good app that will decrease noise on photo's?
I have problem too
Dyonas said:
A lot of fuss was made over the "ImageSense" chip in the One series, especially the One X and One S, but when an HTC tweet mentioned a blog post (also by HTC employees) where they took it out on a trip and took some shots I was eager to see the results. The first impression was that the thumbnails looked great so I clicked through to the full-size images and ......... that's where I sat in shock at how really poor the image quality was. There was noise in around 50% of the image, lack of detail in most areas and it just plain sucked.
I commented on the article, as did others, all commenting on how poor it was for a supposed fantastic camera with all new ImageSense chip. After a while the person who posted the photos replied saying they were uploaded in reduced quality to save on load times and that full versions would be uploaded soon. At that time the full size images that I'd seen were removed. No new images were posted the last time I looked and as I now own the One X I've seen for myself that, sadly, this is the actual quality of the camera. No matter the light or subject I have noise and lost detail all over.
Is my experience here unique or are others finding that, for a supposedly fantastic camera phone with new chip specifically for photos, it just plain sucks?
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I also have the same problem and have not found a solution, even though my phone is a htc one x +. See this link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2264896
Dyonas said:
A lot of fuss was made over the "ImageSense" chip in the One series, especially the One X and One S, but when an HTC tweet mentioned a blog post (also by HTC employees) where they took it out on a trip and took some shots I was eager to see the results. The first impression was that the thumbnails looked great so I clicked through to the full-size images and ......... that's where I sat in shock at how really poor the image quality was. There was noise in around 50% of the image, lack of detail in most areas and it just plain sucked.
I commented on the article, as did others, all commenting on how poor it was for a supposed fantastic camera with all new ImageSense chip. After a while the person who posted the photos replied saying they were uploaded in reduced quality to save on load times and that full versions would be uploaded soon. At that time the full size images that I'd seen were removed. No new images were posted the last time I looked and as I now own the One X I've seen for myself that, sadly, this is the actual quality of the camera. No matter the light or subject I have noise and lost detail all over.
Is my experience here unique or are others finding that, for a supposedly fantastic camera phone with new chip specifically for photos, it just plain sucks?
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Camera of HTC One X is one of the worst camera since HD2, even HD2 has better camera. The only good thing here is HDR mode, which is also not so good.
One X produces photos with so much noise, dynamic range varies and contrast is bad, and on direct light cant compare even with old Blackberry phones like 9780 or 9800 torch. Colors turn to be cold/blue. Photos are washed out etc etc There are no life in photos.
One X and One followed with BIG ADVERTISEMENTS and MARKETING CAMPAIGN, they are not good camera phones. I was naive to buy it. Now im searching to replace with Incredible S or Sensation even HD2.
HTC Sensation equiped with much better camera. Blacberry 9810 and 9800 has 10x better cameras. Not to mention N8 or E7 Nokia.
Yes, but your sig still says bless HTC..
I changed to SGS4 and the camera is the best i'e seen.. think about doing the same. No hope for Hox..
Cheers!
Phk said:
Yes, but your sig still says bless HTC..
I changed to SGS4 and the camera is the best i'e seen.. think about doing the same. No hope for Hox..
Cheers!
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I have made AWESOME pictures with the cyanogenmod camera APP. And now I reverted to stock and the only difference I get is that images are no longer sharper but after an auto enhance edit I get some pretty nice colors and I'm glad with the pictures again.. I wasn't glad with the macro shooting of cyanogenmod and I wasn't glad with the system overall that's why I got to stock.
Thanks ,Dan.
USING HOX
Phk said:
Yes, but your sig still says bless HTC..
I changed to SGS4 and the camera is the best i'e seen.. think about doing the same. No hope for Hox..
Cheers!
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funny but im not giving up on HTC as ive mentioned.
i will buy sensation or one v.
it is very bizzare company politics of HTC to announce three new models One v, one s and One x and ONE V which is 'value model' has way better camera than 'superior' A class ONE X.
and what we are... donkeys... it is all about some software (loaded on purpose because of that competition stuff) i suppose, same chip, same camera software two different photo qualities,
I got really exited about the new OP Three, there are just a few aspects I don't like, one of them being 120fps filming instead of 240fps. I'm a complete noob, but I'm trying to inderstand why it can't record 240fps videos. As far as I know, our processor (SD820) can manage 240fps (see S7/G5), and I guess our camera sensor can too (IMX298), but I couldn't find that information.
Anyway, previously I was interested in getting slow motion on a DSLR camera (Canon EOS 700D), but I found some reasons why it would't be possible: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/in...r0ic25ieqeee0&topic=11570.msg113776#msg113776
I know there are lots of differences between a smartphone and a DSLR camera, but what I found interesting was this:
3. The internal buses that move the raw data from the sensor to the image processors can't handle that much data (1920*1080*14bit*60fps = 1.7 Gigabits per second)
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OP3 can record [email protected] video, which would require 3840×2160×30fps=248832000 bits/s, while HD 240fps video would require 720×1280×240fps=221184000 bits/s (I'm not taking into account color depth since I assume it'd be the same in both cases).
Furthermore, some time ago, when camera2 api was first released, PkmX achieved 120fps and 4K on a nexus 5, which couldn't officially do that and had a far older sensor.
Since OP3 will be really developer-friendly and its sources are already available, do you think it'll be possible for developers to get 240fps, even on low res videos? Can you think of anything that could be a limitation?
Anyway, if I buy the phone eventually, I'll learn a bit about development and try to get it.
(Maybe I should mention that I found this digging into the sources, but I don't even know if it's related
iamthex said:
do you think it'll be possible for developers to get 240fps, even on low res videos? Can you think of anything that could be a limitation?
Anyway, if I buy the phone eventually, I'll learn a bit about development and try to get it.
(Maybe I should mention that I found this digging into the sources, but I don't even know if it's related
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you know the nexus 5x initially just had 120 fps and now it has a 240 fps mod, but thats due to the fact that google camera had just restricted it directly inthe apk itself, people just edited the google camera and BANG 240 fps on the nexus 5x.. oneplus3 could be a different story. i really wish it had it though, im like so close to buying this phone ! in the end i might just end up with the nexus 6p due to this feature
shriom_manerker said:
you know the nexus 5x initially just had 120 fps and now it has a 240 fps mod, but thats due to the fact that google camera had just restricted it directly inthe apk itself, people just edited the google camera and BANG 240 fps on the nexus 5x.. oneplus3 could be a different story. i really wish it had it though, im like so close to buying this phone ! in the end i might just end up with the nexus 6p due to this feature
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I bought the 3. So far it's not looking good. It looks like the camera2 API implementation is broken for photos and who knows what for video.
They released some source and made a big show about it, but there is still proprietary code they haven't released and may never--they never did with the One which still has no camera2.
Might want to hold out on the 3 for things to settle and by that time the new Sony should be out with a much better sensor.
Scrawson said:
I bought the 3. So far it's not looking good. It looks like the camera2 API implementation is broken for photos and who knows what for video.
They released some source and made a big show about it, but there is still proprietary code they haven't released and may never--they never did with the One which still has no camera2.
Might want to hold out on the 3 for things to settle and by that time the new Sony should be out with a much better sensor.
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i already placed my order :\ , i read somewhere that the external apps are working with camera2 api ! i dont remember which thread in xda but its there , one person was not working, others confirmed working