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[Q]TMO 4G or Verizon 4G LTE...I'm confused?

So when the new Razr came out for Verizon (cheese) curiosity got the best of me, so I went to check it out. Of course they tried to sell me on it, so I immediately, with chest pushed out, told them I had the fastest phone/4G speeds out there (SG2), and had no need for their gimmicky poop machine. They immediately responded Verizon's LTE will be way faster than TMO's HSDPA, and that our 4G was not real 4G. WTF? How much faster can you get, and I thought LTE being on old CDMA technology wouldn't even be able to come close? Did I put my foot in my mouth, or was that guy just an uninformed kook? I'm confused.
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You know their LTE is GSM-based, right? It has no similarity to their 3G network...
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SoFaKiNgStOkeD said:
So when the new Razr came out for Verizon (cheese) curiosity got the best of me, so I went to check it out. Of course they tried to sell me on it, so I immediately, with chest pushed out, told them I had the fastest phone/4G speeds out there (SG2), and had no need for their gimmicky poop machine. They immediately responded Verizon's LTE will be way faster than TMO's HSDPA, and that our 4G was not real 4G. WTF? How much faster can you get, and I thought LTE being on old CDMA technology wouldn't even be able to come close? Did I put my foot in my mouth, or was that guy just an uninformed kook? I'm confused.
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The reps didn't know what they were talking about either. They said hsdpa which is different than hspa+. Their 4g isn't real either unless your over 100mbs it isn't real 4g technology. It just recently got acceptable to to say new technology for mobile wireless. Is acceptable 4g. Lte isn't really old either is hspa+
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Lte is still faster than our hspa+ though
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jonathan3579 said:
You know their LTE is GSM-based, right? It has no similarity to their 3G network...
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While true that LTE isn't similar to Verizon's 3G, Not sure what you are talking about, LTE isn't at all like GSM. Hell, it's not even like 3G UTMS. UTMS uses WCDMA and a non IP based protocol, while LTE uses OFDMA and IP. GSM uses FDMA and non IP.
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SoFaKiNgStOkeD said:
So when the new Razr came out for Verizon (cheese) curiosity got the best of me, so I went to check it out. Of course they tried to sell me on it, so I immediately, with chest pushed out, told them I had the fastest phone/4G speeds out there (SG2), and had no need for their gimmicky poop machine. They immediately responded Verizon's LTE will be way faster than TMO's HSDPA, and that our 4G was not real 4G. WTF? How much faster can you get, and I thought LTE being on old CDMA technology wouldn't even be able to come close? Did I put my foot in my mouth, or was that guy just an uninformed kook? I'm confused.
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The truth of the matter is that LTE is faster than HSPA+. Verizon's "4G" network is faster than T-Mobile's because LTE is a newer type of technology, yes both are GSM based but T-Mobile's HSPA+ is technically still a 3G GSM network that got a signal boost. LTE is a much newer type of GSM network which can reach much faster speeds, NO its not true 4G speeds of "100mbs" but I have gone into one of Verizon's stores in an LTE location to do a speed test on the Verizon RAZR and got 38mbps on their LTE. the fastest I have gotten on either my Samsung Galaxy S II or My HTC Amaze 4G is 22mbps (Both speed tests done in in Atlanta, GA). T-Mobile DOES have the LARGEST "4G" network because it coincides with their 3G network and it is very fast but not the fastest. You could have thrown out the fact that Verizon's 4G devices are overly priced and kill the battery faster than any other network even with all the "Juice Defener" type of applications and battery savers though hope this helps.

Sprint 4G LTE is here!!

I looked at my notification bar and had full 4G bars. I couldn't believe it!
Edit: And full bars which I never got on regular 4G. I'm in San Antonio btw.
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Wow, things are looking up for Sprint. I left them months ago back when I had my EVO 3D. I could not stand terrible 3G and coverage.

That's a lot faster than some of the other Sprint LTE Tests I've seen. Probably not "live" yet, but testing. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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Hope I can lte here in marble falls... its a little bit away from Austin. at least a taste I don't need 33mbs at least 5 or so.
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chlehqls said:
Wow, things are looking up for Sprint. I left them months ago back when I had my EVO 3D. I could not stand terrible 3G and coverage.
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Well Sprint's LTE markets won't even be in the double digits until 2013. And a couple years after that to be "nationwide coverage". The vast majority of Sprint's customers will be on 3G for the foreseeable future.

martonikaj said:
Well Sprint's LTE markets won't even be in the double digits until 2013. And a couple years after that to be "nationwide coverage". The vast majority of Sprint's customers will be on 3G for the foreseeable future.
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Sprint it's supposed to be done with lte by the end of2013 where U get your info...that is every tower with 3g will have lte
It's not just Sprint doing the roll out it was broken into like 5 areas and Samsung ericsson lucent are working on it too....
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martonikaj said:
Well Sprint's LTE markets won't even be in the double digits until 2013. And a couple years after that to be "nationwide coverage". The vast majority of Sprint's customers will be on 3G for the foreseeable future.
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You don't know what you're talking about.

Not getting any LTE in Houston yet

Good speeds, but the ping is about 3 times what I see with LTE on VZW

Smokeey said:
That's a lot faster than some of the other Sprint LTE Tests I've seen. Probably not "live" yet, but testing. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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I haven't seen anyone else talking about the Sprint LTE. Have they just been testing it in different areas or have you seen official Sprint tests? I googled, but couldn't find anyone else talking about it. I'd be interested to see what other people's experience with it was, i.e. if it has been improving, signal strength, etc.
And sadly it lasted less than an hour. Luckily I caught it. But everything was extremely fast. It was awesome. If LTE gets full bars in my house I might consider getting rid of my internet...

Epix4G said:
Sprint it's supposed to be done with lte by the end of2013 where U get your info...that is every tower with 3g will have lte
It's not just Sprint doing the roll out it was broken into like 5 areas and Samsung ericsson lucent are working on it too....
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milan03 said:
You don't know what you're talking about.
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And why don't I? Show me their national WiMax coverage that they rolled out in the last 2 years.... right, it doesn't exist. Same will be for LTE. Sorry, but just because Sprint says they're going to roll it out by the end of 2013 doesn't mean anything to me or any other slightly skeptical person.
Believe me, I'm pulling for them. I'd love to see Sprint step it up big time and challenge AT&T and Verizon's LTE efforts, but I find it hard to believe that Sprint will ever be able to catch up. Even if they completely covered their 3G network with LTE in that time (which they just can't physically/monetarily do), they won't be catching Verizon or even AT&T by that point.

Lol right sprint won't do it everyone forgets clear was the primary doing the rollouts and yeah. The BOD wants this to happen I am sure they will make sure it happens by the deadline or before and then once that is done they can hopefully jump it down to the 800mhz band as well. I think it will and if not 24 months from now I will move on but there are more posts of LTE then I saw of WiMAX when that started.
Not to mention other cell companies that work with sprint well one anyways atm is also helping.
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derekwilkinson said:
Not getting any LTE in Houston yet
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Neither am I
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Hows the signal in house or in building
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martonikaj said:
And why don't I? Show me their national WiMax coverage that they rolled out in the last 2 years.... right, it doesn't exist. Same will be for LTE. Sorry, but just because Sprint says they're going to roll it out by the end of 2013 doesn't mean anything to me or any other slightly skeptical person.
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When Sprint saw the writing on the wall for WiMax, they did the smart thing and stopped investing in it.
Good for them. They instead began their LTE preparations along with beginning their Network Vision deployment. They accelerated their 800mhz refarm.
Believe me, I'm pulling for them. I'd love to see Sprint step it up big time and challenge AT&T and Verizon's LTE efforts, but I find it hard to believe that Sprint will ever be able to catch up. Even if they completely covered their 3G network with LTE in that time (which they just can't physically/monetarily do), they won't be catching Verizon or even AT&T by that point.
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Sprint has never been able to compete on coverage - 4g or otherwise. Hell, their native CDMA network is smaller than T-Mobile's network. That said, Sprint has a big ol boatload of spectrum, which means they can continue to provide unlimited data (or eventually, faster speeds) far longer than their competition can.
Now, I'm a T-Mobile customer as well as a Sprint customer, and was about to drop my Sprint line for a prepaid line, but Sprint (and T-Mobile) are on the upswing and I very much like the progress they're making.

ckoadiyn said:
Lol right sprint won't do it everyone forgets clear was the primary doing the rollouts and yeah. The BOD wants this to happen I am sure they will make sure it happens by the deadline or before and then once that is done they can hopefully jump it down to the 800mhz band as well. I think it will and if not 24 months from now I will move on but there are more posts of LTE then I saw of WiMAX when that started.
Not to mention other cell companies that work with sprint well one anyways atm is also helping.
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I think Sprint could potentially do better than AT&T with their LTE rollout as AT&T seems to be going pretty slowly about it. However, VZW is lighting up more and more areas every few weeks, so I don't think anyone will catch them until VZW has started moving to another network standard. I have read that Sprint's LTE plans are very aggressive, so it could just be they are installing and testing the network in several large markets right now to turn on several cities all at once rather than just a small handful like AT&T did at the start.

reuthermonkey said:
When Sprint saw the writing on the wall for WiMax, they did the smart thing and stopped investing in it.
Good for them. They instead began their LTE preparations along with beginning their Network Vision deployment. They accelerated their 800mhz refarm.
Sprint has never been able to compete on coverage - 4g or otherwise. Hell, their native CDMA network is smaller than T-Mobile's network. That said, Sprint has a big ol boatload of spectrum, which means they can continue to provide unlimited data (or eventually, faster speeds) far longer than their competition can.
Now, I'm a T-Mobile customer as well as a Sprint customer, and was about to drop my Sprint line for a prepaid line, but Sprint (and T-Mobile) are on the upswing and I very much like the progress they're making.
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Interesting theory, but Verizon and even ATT will complete their rollout before Sprint does. So by the time Sprint gets to enjoying LTE across the network, Verizon and ATT will be looking at deploying VoLTE.
They can have buttloads of spectrum, but they don't have the resources to compete with rollouts or to to advance in a timely manner. They will always be playing third base.
Heck, MetroPCS rolled out LTE before them (Verizon too, for that matter).

I managed to get a weak signal in parts of the KC metro, probably coming from the area around the Sprint Campus in Overland Park. I may drive closer later today and see what kind of speed I can get.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1653400
looks like alot of towers are becoming live pretty quickly. there is my thread from yesterday on it.

adrynalyne said:
Interesting theory, but Verizon and even ATT will complete their rollout before Sprint does. So by the time Sprint gets to enjoying LTE across the network, Verizon and ATT will be looking at deploying VoLTE.
They can have buttloads of spectrum, but they don't have the resources to compete with rollouts or to to advance in a timely manner. They will always be playing third base.
Heck, MetroPCS rolled out LTE before them (Verizon too, for that matter).
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Any word from those companies on when their current coverage will be covered in LTE?
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Sprint Gnex 3g speeds

How are those 3g speeds after the update?
How are those LTE speeds for those who can get it lol

No number of software updates are gonna fix Sprint's 3G speeds. That's a network problem.

Agreed. T-Mobile EDGE can at times be faster than Sprint "3g"
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Samsuck said:
Agreed. T-Mobile EDGE can at times be faster than Sprint "3g"
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Quite regularly EDGE can top Sprint EVDO. It'll lose in uploads and ping often though.

I know that lol
When the gnex just came out it was noticably slower than a sprint galaxy s 2......I was wondering if it improved
And 3g in my area is amazing........during the day I hit 150-200KB/s and at night 250-300KB/s
At my old place I used to only get 30-60KB/s lol

martonikaj said:
No number of software updates are gonna fix Sprint's 3G speeds. That's a network problem.
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Heres to NV coming and bringing sprint to at least ATT level coverage

donsh00tmesanta said:
I know that lol
When the gnex just came out it was noticably slower than a sprint galaxy s 2......I was wondering if it improved
And 3g in my area is amazing........during the day I hit 150-200KB/s and at night 250-300KB/s
At my old place I used to only get 30-60KB/s lol
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If you're actually getting 150-200KB/s (aka 1200-1600kbps) then that's absolutely fantastic for Sprint 3G... People are used to ~400kbps tops.

martonikaj said:
No number of software updates are gonna fix Sprint's 3G speeds. That's a network problem.
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Do you always have to poke your head to say sprints networks sucks? Seriously though WE KNOW already.
To the OP nah... even with the new leaked FG01 radio 3G speeds still pathetic. At least for me others have said they have had great results and a tremendous increase in speeds.
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martonikaj said:
If you're actually getting 150-200KB/s (aka 1200-1600kbps) then that's absolutely fantastic for Sprint 3G... People are used to ~400kbps tops.
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I am hitting those speeds in kilobytes maybe they upgraded the towers here? I know most of the town is sprint......
I was just wanting to know if gnex caught up to eptouch

I tend to get between 25KB and 60KB a second. Once I got 1500Kb/s. That was pretty cool. I remember the days of T-Mobile EDGE though, which would be 3 to 7 KB/s in my area, so I'm quite content.

Pathetic 3g speeds

No wonder Sprint is so cheap
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Agreed. These are my 3G speeds:
This is Sprint's so called "3G". There's really no point of unlimited data when Sprint's 3G is basically already throttled the whole time.
Even though I think their "3G" is so bad, I still don't switch to another carrier since Sprint has Unlimited data. I still don't switch despite the fact that those carriers (ATT, Verizon, T-Mo) have prepaid plans that are half the price Sprint. Oh, and did I mention those plans have data limits that are higher than the actual carrier plans?
But nah, I'm not gonna switch to prepaid even though it would be so logical.
(This post isn't serious. Instead, it's basically how I interpret people's posts complaining about Sprint's 3G. If you don't like it, switch carriers...)

Oh I totally agree I have no plans on switching I've been with Sprint for 3 years and am just hoping they improve their network to something more acceptable
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if i wasn't on a family plan with people in an area where it works better, i would have left. I get the same speeds as the OP. The thing is, in the exact same area 2 years ago, the speeds were great.

My speeds all 3g except a few wifi
The ones with abismal speeds were then ones with no bars
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r u fukn kidding me?!
yousefak said:
Agreed. These are my 3G speeds:
This is Sprint's so called "3G". There's really no point of unlimited data when Sprint's 3G is basically already throttled the whole time.
Even though I think their "3G" is so bad, I still don't switch to another carrier since Sprint has Unlimited data. I still don't switch despite the fact that those carriers (ATT, Verizon, T-Mo) have prepaid plans that are half the price Sprint. Oh, and did I mention those plans have data limits that are higher than the actual carrier plans?
But nah, I'm not gonna switch to prepaid even though it would be so logical.
(This post isn't serious. Instead, it's basically how I interpret people's posts complaining about Sprint's 3G. If you don't like it, switch carriers...)
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1x!? i would give my left nut to get that on 3g. i'm lucky
to get half that speed. and when i do its a very rare occasion. sprint better blow the roof off with this lte ****. this beautiful phone is going to waste being crippled like this

Their 3G speeds are okay for me like I like it because when I'm out side of the house it takes about 3 secs for a page to load which is impressive to me and at least you got some data connection I rarely use 3G to surf the web but try updating ur PRL to get your 3G speed and more to the latest and fastest version
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Yeah 3g is getting better.
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yousefak said:
Agreed. These are my 3G speeds:
This is Sprint's so called "3G". There's really no point of unlimited data when Sprint's 3G is basically already throttled the whole time.
Even though I think their "3G" is so bad, I still don't switch to another carrier since Sprint has Unlimited data. I still don't switch despite the fact that those carriers (ATT, Verizon, T-Mo) have prepaid plans that are half the price Sprint. Oh, and did I mention those plans have data limits that are higher than the actual carrier plans?
But nah, I'm not gonna switch to prepaid even though it would be so logical.
(This post isn't serious. Instead, it's basically how I interpret people's posts complaining about Sprint's 3G. If you don't like it, switch carriers...)
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Is that roaming on Verizon's network?
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hockey4life0099 said:
if i wasn't on a family plan with people in an area where it works better, i would have left. I get the same speeds as the OP. The thing is, in the exact same area 2 years ago, the speeds were great.
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Yeah same here just a few years ago the speeds were pretty good but we'll see what the future holds I think their network will pick up with all the upgrades they have planned
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Here's my 3G Speed early one Sunday morning in nyc.
Realize it gets as slow as 10% of that download speed during peak times. Quiet morning.
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Compared to my last phone the epic 4g touch the 3g speeds on my s3 is pretty damn good almost as good as the 4g speed on the on the epic 4g touch. So I can only imagine what to look forward to when lte is up in Jersey
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.

Is the horse dead yet??

Success100 said:
Is the horse dead yet??
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It's been beaten long enough
Apple just give up the IPHONE sucks deal with it.

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Is that roaming on Verizon's network?
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100% Sprint. It's what I usually get around my home area. 1000-150kbps throughout the day, 1500-1900kbps at night.
The thing is, I live in a suburban area so the towers aren't used as much. I'm willing to bet that throughout the day there are only like 4 or 5 other people connected to data that actually use their data.

Here's my 3g speed, guess I'm lucky.
I've noticed a few times when I have crappy data speeds. My phone was showing 3g in the status bar, but if I went to SettIngs-->About Device--> Status the phone was actually connected at 1x not 3g. Not sure why it doesn't show 1x in the notification bar.
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I'm with T-Mobile on the one s, my buddy had the sprint Sammy s3 next to mine, though the speed test said mine was smoking fast the Sammy was faster for the user experience, for simple browsing . I'm gonna switch to sprint and get the sgs3
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Vincent Vegas said:
Here's my 3G Speed early one Sunday morning in nyc.
Realize it gets as slow as 10% of that download speed during peak times. Quiet morning.
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I'm in S.I., and I never see those speeds even on a Sunday morning.

mardukeme said:
Here's my 3g speed, guess I'm lucky.
I've noticed a few times when I have crappy data speeds. My phone was showing 3g in the status bar, but if I went to SettIngs-->About Device--> Status the phone was actually connected at 1x not 3g. Not sure why it doesn't show 1x in the notification bar.
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Unless you are rooted and running a custom Rom that is capable of displaying 1x, the stock Sprint Rom will always show 3g.

I suppose my area has something to do with my 3g speeds I live near Cincinnati and I'm sure the towers are over loaded
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Can we use AT&T 4G LTE on these? Is the radio physically there?

I'm debating between the T-Mobile and AT&T versions of the SG3. I'm currently planning on using a prepaid T-Mobile service but I can see myself in the future possibly switching to a postpaid AT&T plan.
If I buy the AT&T version I will be stuck on EDGE when on the T-Mobile network. No one has gotten T-Mobile's HSPA+ or DC-HSPA+ to work on the AT&T version of the GS3.
If I buy the T-Mobile version I won't have the option of using AT&T 4G LTE if I choose to go AT&T in the future.
So: does the T-Mobile GS3 physically have the AT&T 4G LTE hardware, and could it be activated?

fuzzybabybunny said:
I'm debating between the T-Mobile and AT&T versions of the SG3. I'm currently planning on using a prepaid T-Mobile service but I can see myself in the future possibly switching to a postpaid AT&T plan.
If I buy the AT&T version I will be stuck on EDGE when on the T-Mobile network. No one has gotten T-Mobile's HSPA+ or DC-HSPA+ to work on the AT&T version of the GS3.
If I buy the T-Mobile version I won't have the option of using AT&T 4G LTE if I choose to go AT&T in the future.
So: does the T-Mobile GS3 physically have the AT&T 4G LTE hardware, and could it be activated?
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I looked into the exact same thing before taking the plunge. Apparently, even though they have the same hardware, there is a trade off no matter which one you choose, so short answer is no. (But who knows,there are smarter people out there who may prove me wrong...)
I can tell you why I went with the T Mobile version if it will help with your decision...
1. TMo ver will work with HSPA on both TMO and ATT (As you pointed out, the ATT will only get EDGE on TMo)
2. I previously owned 2 LTE phones and battery life was horrible. Giving LTE up was not that difficult for me since the trade off was batt life
3. HSPA speeds are enough for my uses (You will rarely ever get advertised speeds with either HSPA or LTE)

Hey Cheez - FYI if you are the second post on a thread there is absolutely no reason to quote the whole first post. How could there possibly be any confusion about what you are replying to?

dkmdlb said:
Hey Cheez - FYI if you are the second post on a thread there is absolutely no reason to quote the whole first post. How could there possibly be any confusion about what you are replying to?
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lol, well, between Cheez and I it might just be force of habit. Plus if the OP changes their original post the quote will contain the old post without the changes.

dkmdlb said:
Hey Cheez - FYI if you are the second post on a thread there is absolutely no reason to quote the whole first post. How could there possibly be any confusion about what you are replying to?
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Infamous_Cheez said:
I looked into the exact same thing before taking the plunge. Apparently, even though they have the same hardware, there is a trade off no matter which one you choose, so short answer is no. (But who knows,there are smarter people out there who may prove me wrong...)
I can tell you why I went with the T Mobile version if it will help with your decision...
1. TMo ver will work with HSPA on both TMO and ATT (As you pointed out, the ATT will only get EDGE on TMo)
2. I previously owned 2 LTE phones and battery life was horrible. Giving LTE up was not that difficult for me since the trade off was batt life
3. HSPA speeds are enough for my uses (You will rarely ever get advertised speeds with either HSPA or LTE)
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Got it. Thanks. Even if I go with AT&T I might not even want to use their 4G network since it hogs battery so much? I've currently got T-Mobile and the fastest I've ever been able to clock is a measly 5mbps. A far cry from even the "slow" 21mbps speed that HSPA+ advertises.

dkmdlb said:
Hey Cheez - FYI if you are the second post on a thread there is absolutely no reason to quote the whole first post. How could there possibly be any confusion about what you are replying to?
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Definitely force of habit on my part
fuzzybabybunny said:
Got it. Thanks. Even if I go with AT&T I might not even want to use their 4G network since it hogs battery so much? I've currently got T-Mobile and the fastest I've ever been able to clock is a measly 5mbps. A far cry from even the "slow" 21mbps speed that HSPA+ advertises.
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Also, ATT may or may not have LTE lit up in your area yet. You may be waiting for a while. I had an HTC Thunderbold and a Galaxy Nexus on VZW for a few years and it was only towards the last 3 months of my VZW service that I began to get LTE lol HSPA is much more widespread as of right now on ATT

My GF has the hox and at the house I have faster speeds than she does hspa+ 42 is pretty damn fast
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md1008 said:
My GF has the hox and at the house I have faster speeds than she does hspa+ 42 is pretty damn fast
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What kind of speeds are you getting with hspa+42?

All depends on where I am at my high is 23 mbps. My average is around 6mbps. Basically it varies a lot really hard to give you an average
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