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Hi,
I'm looking for a stable PPC Phone and have narrowed my choices down to the XDA IIi (Alpine) and IIs (Blue Angel).
I'm currently leaning towards the XDA IIs as it seems to have a stronger user base, has an inbuilt keyboard and almost all the features of the IIi - the IIi's 1.3MP camera is a non issue for me, IIi's BT 1.2 is only a revised implementation to prevent inteference with Wi-Fi networks, both have 128MB RAM, ROM size is irrelevant taking into account the prices of 2GB SD cards today. The 520Mhz (IIi/Alpine) vs 400Mhz (IIs/Blue Angel) clock speeds is the only disconcerting factor - I've read reviews that vouch this difference is not noticeable in general usage of the device, but can affect gaming/video playback.
I need some reassurance if the XDA IIs' PXA263 400Mhz CPU can adequately handle video playback of networked video files over Wi-Fi with TCPMP -- not re-encoded files, but High quality 1500Kbps 6xx * 4xx resolution XVIDs with AC3/MP3 audio. According to this link on TCPMP's webpage - http://blogs.shintak.info/articles/11359.aspx - Blue Angel devices don't seem very capable at handling very high quality XVID/DIVXs...?
If anyone is currently using the IIs/PDA2K and TCPMP with HQ XVID/DIVX please share your experiences as this feature is particularly important to me. In fact the large 3.5" screen size on the IIi/IIs is the only reason that I'm not considering the newer Atom/Prophet/Wizard platforms!!
Thanks,
Vin
For a small amount of money i have over-clocked my XDAIIi to 663Mhz using XCPUscalar, very nice! It's about 30% faster, I use very high quality AVI files. I would assume you can do the same for the IIs but not quite the 663, 30% on 400Mhz maybe?
The IIs will over clock upto a maximum of 472MHz using the XCPUscaler, the big benefit in using this application (to me) is when on auto scale with CPU load, quite often it will slow the unit down reducing the battery power and therefore extending the battery usage, not many applications need full power all the time.
As for the inbuilt keyboard, I tried it for a couple of days then gave up - buttons too small to be of practical use IMHO.
Never tried video over a wifi connection but the device will quite easily play back video from the memory card - Mike
mikealder said:
The IIs will over clock upto a maximum of 472MHz using the XCPUscaler
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really? mine is running fine @ 597mhz
great, so the IIs can be overclocked for gaming/video playback!
but have you actually tried to watch a high resolution, 1000+kbps DIVX/XVID file over a WiFi connection? I really need to know if this is possible, because if i have to manually copy videos to the SDcard and/or re-encode videos then I'm better served by my PSP with its 4.2inch screen!
And if wireless/hassle free movie watching if taken out of the equation, i'm not going to buy a IIi/IIs today - i'd rather get a Eten M600 (Atom clone) or the HTC Wizard (imate K-Jam/XDA Mini S)...
mikealder said:
The IIs will over clock upto a maximum of 472MHz using the XCPUscaler, the big benefit in using this application (to me) is when on auto scale with CPU load, quite often it will slow the unit down reducing the battery power and therefore extending the battery usage, not many applications need full power all the time.
As for the inbuilt keyboard, I tried it for a couple of days then gave up - buttons too small to be of practical use IMHO.
Never tried video over a wifi connection but the device will quite easily play back video from the memory card - Mike
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I have overclocked mine to 600+ mhz.
Im looking to purchase a new PDA/Phone and I stumbled across the XDA 02 ii2 and thought despite it's age, that it would be an impressive upgrade from my Wizard.
By specs alone the BA should still be a formidable phone in terms of RAM, CPU, speed, etc.
Not to mention it boasts a pretty impressive 3.5" screen, though its resolution isnt better, its size makes it very useful as a portable media player as well.
Is its CPU inferior to the Dual core CPUs of the Wizard, or the 400mhz of the tytn? How much faster does having 128MB RAM make it compared to its newer peers?
Is it worth purchasing now as a usable device (esp considering its low low price)? And are there any major concerns about its stability, function, etc?
And Ive read about how to make it WM5, but what stops it from running WM6 other than unofficial ROM support?
Thank you!
The fact that the Wizard has two processor cores means nothing. One core is used for running operating system and the other one is GSM radio processor. In Blue Angel and Hermes (TyTN) it is present in separate chip.
The 400MHz PXA263 XScale processor in Blue Angel is far superior then Wizard's OMAP in terms of raw processing power. However this is not cruicial for most apps (expect: heavy games, Skype, some heavier navigation apps). If you use one of the latest ROMs on Wizard it should be much faster most of the time than Blue Angel, because of Blue Angels very slow flash ROM (even its SDIO slot is alot faster). More memory is great advantage for WM2003SE but in case of WM5 I think it doesn't make for its greater power consumption. Of course it is great for some resource-heavy apps.
Blue Angel:
+ Fast processor
+ It is crowded with application buttons (there are 9 of them + Green, Red and volume slider)
+ SDIO slot (not microSD or MiniSD)
+ Big display (great for one handed operation in WM5)
+ QWERTY keboard
+ Very good ergonomics (I think best among all Pocket PCs)
- Lower battery life than competition
- Not the best QWERTY keyboard under the sun
- Occasional instability
- Doesn't have EDGE
- Low range of Bluetooth and WiFi
Wizard
+ Stable
+ Small
+ Very good battery life
+ Fast for everyday use with latest ROMs
+ Good QWERTY keyboard
- Small display
- Thick
- Only few application buttons
- Slow processor
- Bad ergonomics
Hermes
+ Fast
+ Stable
+ Acceptable battery life
+ Good ergonomics
+ Very good QWERTY keyboard
- Small display
- Not very cheap
Thank you! thats exactly what I was looking for.
The size of the screen is what's really appealing to me, and I dont see the newer models attempting to match it with the exception of the o2 Flame (but pre orders for that phone are in the $1,000 USD range).
I would go for the Tytn; it is a great device and I find it much faster than my BA, much more stable, better battery life, better connectivity, better keyboard, a load more features and in my opinion is the better device. I know the screen is small but in day-to-day operations it really is no problem.
I may agree to a point with PPCnut, but tryin playing with Morphgear or Playstation emulator on it and push the envelop. you will see the BA
is actually faster and performs better under pressure. or look up GX benchmark for pocket pc, the BAs scores higher in most of the tests of speed
then the TYTN/ Hermes
I know i have both
How does the Kaiser / Tytn II compare in this example?
Currently have a BA still (Actually have two of them) but am very seriously tempted by the Kaiser.
I may actually be interested in selling them - two BAs (one without stylus or battery), two cradles, a car sucker mount and a minisync retracting sync/charge cable.
Why do I have two? I thought it was faulty and my carrier sent out a replacement - it turned out the battery was faulty not the handset. I "failed" to send the other one back and they failed to ask for it That was many years ago, I doubt they will ever ask...
Interested and in the UK coyote? May be hard to get a new one now and a 2nd hand one with a unit for spares should you have an accident may be handy
Well im just asking if i should get it or no.
I want to replace my laptop with it and a small keyboard. 10.5 LTE with Supposatly the Samsung exynos that is a 8 core but seem it not in reality like samsung lied
I want to hear the good and bad.
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EDIT : Hello bonami2 , I posted the reply below before i realized it was you from NBR Forum, Welcome to XDA
It depends on what you want to do, if you want to watch video`s most of the time, get it, it has an amazing display, if you want to browse the internet most of the time, dont get it as the oled display eats the battery when it shows white, you are better of getting an lcd tablet, gaming kills the battery on all tablets so it does not make that much difference between oled and lcd.
You can get browsers that have night mode, where white is black so it save a load of battery power but it looks like crap.
John.
Don't get it. Poor battery life in general. Horrible idle battery life with Lollipop. The CPU is outdated by now. If you have to get a large screen tablet right now, go with Ipad Air 2 or Google Nexus 9. Moreover, we're slowly approaching the holiday season. Normally all new products are released in the second half of year. Even Samsung's Tab S replacement is rumored to be arriving in the second half of this year.
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Don't get it. Poor battery life in general. Horrible idle battery life with Lollipop. The CPU is outdated by now. If you have to get a large screen tablet right now, go with Ipad Air 2 or Google Nexus 9. Moreover, we're slowly approaching the holiday season. Normally all new products are released in the second half of year. Even Samsung's Tab S replacement is rumored to be arriving in the second half of this year.
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The new cpu for the tab s2 is supposate to be only 50% better in singlethread. and Enable the hmp to use the 8 core and have a higher clock and new architecture.
But at the end my 4 old Galaxy nexus from samsung from like 2011 2012 is still able to browse website with it old crappy dual core ahah. with 1/6 the singlethread
Poor battery life well i seen 15 hour of movie time with black movie. Using Dolphin and A night mode should allow to have better battery.
Not interrested in any apple product even if i was forced to.
At the end there is nothing on the market that seem worth the money. Except the tab s and i do know how to save battery with the recent research and own experience with my old Amoled phone.
So im gonna try it and return it if im not happy
And put the money toward some gpu
Anyways im getting it mid july and i heard it could be released in that time frame. Will see.
Thank you for all the negative
I have no problem with battery usage. It lasts a long time for me.
Tablet design is one of the best, the screen is fantastic. No issues with lag in normal day to day usage.
Websites with heavy usage of ads and graphics, can exhibit a little lag, but nothing out of the ordinary or that bothers me.
Sound quality is great. Touchwiz isn't the best implementation of an interface, not compared to HTC sense on my M8. However all in all quite happy with it.
And yea it me from nbr decided to post in case i could learn other stuff Google is good but we never have enough info
Thank you
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I have no problem with battery usage. It lasts a long time for me.
Tablet design is one of the best, the screen is fantastic. No issues with lag in normal day to day usage.
Websites with heavy usage of ads and graphics, can exhibit a little lag, but nothing out of the ordinary or that bothers me.
Sound quality is great. Touchwiz isn't the best implementation of an interface, not compared to HTC sense on my M8. However all in all quite happy with it.
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Thank you
Tested something with my nexus 5
Chrome is laggy when moving page the finger move faster than the browser
Dolphin go as fast as my finger can go on the screen and doest lagg at all or almost. Sure heavy page are slow to load.
Im mostly interrested in the multitasking thing samsung made i tried it on the old Note 2 and it work fine
Ps i have a 6000mah external battery
Gonna use it to power the external hdd im gonna get later down the road.
100% laptop replacement with storage everywhere
What is "black movie" ?? or did you mean black mode?
John.
"Poor battery life well i seen 15 hour of movie time with black movie. Using Dolphin and A night mode should allow to have better battery"
Tinderbox (UK) said:
What is "black movie" ?? or did you mean black mode?
John.
"Poor battery life well i seen 15 hour of movie time with black movie. Using Dolphin and A night mode should allow to have better battery"
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Uh review was replaying Harry potter in loop for 15 hour
I mean Dark movie sorry
Am limited to 1 post each 4 minute ahah
The New S2 has an 4:3 display it has shown up on benchmarking apps, and the resolution is 2048x1536 that is an 4:3 aspect ratio like the iPad`s
John.
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The New S2 has an 4:3 display it has shown up on benchmarking apps, and the resolution is 2048x1536 that is an 4:3 aspect ratio like the iPad`s
John.
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Oh yea but 15 hour on the tab s 10.5
yea im staying aways from that crap 4:3 ratio i have no idea how people can like that i had a laptop with that ratio for about 10 years until the screen hinge broke + the battery + the screen itself go humidity stuck in the panel and the fan started rattling lol
Ended using it as a server and finnaly recycled it after it started sounding like an airplane
My battery monitor says around 12hrs video playback at hd resolution depending on how bright the video is, Harry Potter=Yes , Dune=No
John.
QUOTE=Bonami2;61650442]Oh yea but 15 hour on the tab s 10.5
yea im staying aways from that crap 4:3 ratio i have no idea how people can like that i had a laptop with that ratio for about 10 years until the screen hinge broke + the battery + the screen itself go humidity stuck in the panel and the fan started rattling lol
Ended using it as a server and finnaly recycled it after it started sounding like an airplane [/QUOTE]
My battery is ok. Not good overnight on standby so charge it or switch it off.
I get an occasional freeze on lollipop when watching films. Was no problem on kitkat. Hope the next release fixes the movie issue.
Love the design. If the s2 is even better I may be tempted - but not by a smaller screen (as suggested).
That's out in the next month or 2 isn't it? Why not wait. Then you can buy my S lol
My T800 only looses 1-2% in 16 hours according to the app below, how much do you loose, have you tried finding out what is causing your battery drain.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ck.batterymonitor&hl=en
John.
First of is this a very good tablet.... yes. There is a handful of flagship class tablets that are made for android and for the most part they each have small advantages and disadvantages over each other. The best thing you can do is figure out exactly what type of stuff you want to do on your tablet.
Second this tablet is a Big.little 2X quadcore, so calling it an octacore is both cprrect and deceptive at the same time. Honestly I have no clue if Samsung enabled HMP (heterogeneous multi processing- the ability to use both quad cores at the same time) or not but I have noticed that the tablet is usually more gpu bound then it ever gets processor bound. In practice the faxct that there are better processors out there (tegra k1) does not mean that this tablet can not handle almost any program you can throw at it (that runs on it-- no tegra zone or xcom).
Lastly I would not recomend this tablet, the nexus 9, Nvidia shield, Sony z4, or any other android tablet as a laptop replacement. Or to be more precise I could not use one in that role. It has nothing to do with speed, this tablet is far faster then the pentium 4m dell I used to have. It is not so much the size of the tablet the 10.1 inch screen is not much different then some ultrabook screens I have used. The main issue in using an android tablet as a laptop replacement is Android. If you could load linux on this tablet amd run it then it might be a little closer to a working replacement, but even then the arm architecture severely limits program compatibility. The lack of even 1 full sized usb port (yes I know it has otg) limits accessories that can be used.
If you only ever need to do some very light document editing, then yes this can replace a laptop. If you need to do more then that and you absolutly have to have a tablet form factor then buy a surface 3 (never a 1 or 2, windows rt is useless) or other x86 based windows 8.1 tablet. If you want the best of both worlds then for the price of a galaxy tab s abd a keyboard you can get a convertable tablet/laptop and have a laptop for heavy workloads and a tablet for fun all in one.
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First of is this a very good tablet.... yes. There is a handful of flagship class tablets that are made for android and for the most part they each have small advantages and disadvantages over each other. The best thing you can do is figure out exactly what type of stuff you want to do on your tablet.
Second this tablet is a Big.little 2X quadcore, so calling it an octacore is both cprrect and deceptive at the same time. Honestly I have no clue if Samsung enabled HMP (heterogeneous multi processing- the ability to use both quad cores at the same time) or not but I have noticed that the tablet is usually more gpu bound then it ever gets processor bound. In practice the faxct that there are better processors out there (tegra k1) does not mean that this tablet can not handle almost any program you can throw at it (that runs on it-- no tegra zone or xcom).
Lastly I would not recomend this tablet, the nexus 9, Nvidia shield, Sony z4, or any other android tablet as a laptop replacement. Or to be more precise I could not use one in that role. It has nothing to do with speed, this tablet is far faster then the pentium 4m dell I used to have. It is not so much the size of the tablet the 10.1 inch screen is not much different then some ultrabook screens I have used. The main issue in using an android tablet as a laptop replacement is Android. If you could load linux on this tablet amd run it then it might be a little closer to a working replacement, but even then the arm architecture severely limits program compatibility. The lack of even 1 full sized usb port (yes I know it has otg) limits accessories that can be used.
If you only ever need to do some very light document editing, then yes this can replace a laptop. If you need to do more then that and you absolutly have to have a tablet form factor then buy a surface 3 (never a 1 or 2, windows rt is useless) or other x86 based windows 8.1 tablet. If you want the best of both worlds then for the price of a galaxy tab s abd a keyboard you can get a convertable tablet/laptop and have a laptop for heavy workloads and a tablet for fun all in one.
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im mostly looking to browse internet and go on forum and listen to music and movie on the go
I think it fit perfectly. Anyways most current laptop are overpowered and windows cant even utilise the hardware correctly.
10hour battery life on a laptop is pretty hard to do
The review in the link below quotes approx 7.5 hrs internet browsing which is almost the lowest, but the video playback is the longest, have a read of the full review if you have not yet.
Try "UC Browser" it has the best night mode i have see.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.uc.browser.hd&hl=en_GB
http://anandtech.com/show/8197/samsung-galaxy-tab-s-review-105-84inch/3
John.
Tinderbox (UK) said:
The review in the link below quotes approx 7.5 hrs internet browsing which is almost the lowest, but the video playback is the longest, have a read of the full review if you have not yet.
Try "UC Browser" it has the best night mode i have see.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.uc.browser.hd&hl=en_GB
http://anandtech.com/show/8197/samsung-galaxy-tab-s-review-105-84inch/3
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Will see i could maybe get the tablet the 5 :laugh:
If younare looking for multimedia playback (videos and songs) and some internet browsing then yes you are correct, you don't need a full sized laptop. Tbh you really do not need a seprate bluetooth keyboard for thst either and that was partly what I was basing the thought you might want to do more then that on the tablet. Word processing for a document of any reasonable length, is lously on android even with a bluetooth or usb otg keyboard.
If you want to watch movies or listen to music on the go do not forget to buy a microSD card, this tablet supports up to 128GB but 64GB is a far better value. 16GB (or even 32GB lte model) is not enough memory after programs and the OS to store more then a few hours of moderate quality (480p-720p) videos and evem kitkat reads multimedia from removable storage with out any need to mess around with roms or root. Heck it is the one thing Google thinks should go on a microSD card, that and pictures.
Especially with root now becoming available, I started giving this more thought:
If someone wanted to do that, would running a lower resolution be an option, to perhaps extend your battery life?
The screen is QHD, 1440x2560. To minimize scaling issues with a fixed-pixel-location screen like an LCD, you could go down to HD, 720x1280. Now the graphics hardware is dealing with 1/4 as many pixels. It won't look as good, granted, but lets say the user accepts that trade-off.
Is this even possible? If so, do you think it could help battery life?
I don't have experience with this on phones. But on a computer, you can certainly lower your display resolution, even if using an LCD. It will look fuzzy at a non-native resolution, but perhaps that's less of an issue here, with the pixels being so small by comparison. And if you were gaming on the PC, lowering the resolution would allow higher framerates, assuming you were limited by your graphics card, not your CPU. I've admittedly never thought about it from a power-use perspective, but it seems reasonable that, if keeping the framerate the same, running a lower resolution would require less power for the PC.
My Galaxy S3 was 720x1280, admittedly on a smaller 4.8" screen, but I thought it looked fine. If using a lower screen resolution could, say, add 20% to my G4's SOT, I would be interested in that.
I believe this is what changing the DPI is for. This can be done via apps, or changing the value in the build.prop I think. Pushing less pixels on to the screen will definitely increase battery life. There's a threshold though, and depending on which G4 variant you have (whether it's branded by a carrier, etc.) you may want to research on what a safe number might be. I think some AT&T G4 user reported bootloops after changing the DPI to <530 or something. It looks like the camera doesn't get affected by the DPI change too, which is a definite good sign.
I'm waiting to see how the battery life holds up right now with root mode now being enabled in Greenify. If I can't squeeze more than 5 hours SoT while at a certain brightness and using BT, I'll consider changing the DPI.
This is not going to improve battery life in the slightest. You might be running a lower resolution but all the pixels are stilled turned on. The lower tax on the GPU is negligible.
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This is not going to improve battery life in the slightest. You might be running a lower resolution but all the pixels are stilled turned on. The lower tax on the GPU is negligible.
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Agreed. This was done on the G3 and batter life was not changed, only game performance improved as you are pushing graphics at 1080p instead of 1440p.
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I believe this is what changing the DPI is for. This can be done via apps, or changing the value in the build.prop I think. Pushing less pixels on to the screen will definitely increase battery life. There's a threshold though, and depending on which G4 variant you have (whether it's branded by a carrier, etc.) you may want to research on what a safe number might be. I think some AT&T G4 user reported bootloops after changing the DPI to <530 or something. It looks like the camera doesn't get affected by the DPI change too, which is a definite good sign.
I'm waiting to see how the battery life holds up right now with root mode now being enabled in Greenify. If I can't squeeze more than 5 hours SoT while at a certain brightness and using BT, I'll consider changing the DPI.
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I believe that that's wrong, specially if you set it to numbers lower than stock.
I found a way to change the resolution
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/general/tool-change-phone-resolution-dpi-root-t3582863
Follow this thread, it's so simple and works perfectly!! on LG G4 818p
I have went back and forth with the 3 different resolution settings. If I look hard I can tell a little difference. At HD it is actually a little less sharp then my LG G5. Do we have any idea of the draw backs of the highest resolution? How much less battery life. Does it affect smoothness. I'll try different setting myself but was just wondering if anybody knew already.
I'm in the process of trying out the higher resolution too. I'll report back my real world use findings.
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Does use a bit more power BUT a lot more RAM
I haven't measured battery use (and it would be hard to have exactly the same test conditions anyway), but I haven't noticed any real difference between FHD and WQHD in normal use. I also don't see a whole lot of difference in sharpness or image quality, but maybe someone with younger eyes than me will see a difference.
Testing max resolution for a few days now, no major battery life impact so far. No lag either.
I've been happy with the battery on max as well. At the end of the day, with almost 4 hours screen time, my battery was still 40% yesterday. LTE most of the day, some wifi.
The difference between 1480x720 HD+ and 2220x1080 FHD+ is around 20 minutes battery time over the course of the entire day I believe. Then with 2960x1440 WQHD+ you're probably looking at losing 40 minutes of battery throughout the day. And overall, each step up uses more RAM, which is expected.
In terms of a difference, I can't really tell the real difference between 720p and WQHD+ ... I mean, the screen is small already, it's a phone. It isn't like you're stretch the resolution over a Monitor or TV where you can clearly tell the difference.
I believe WQHD+ is just slightly sharper. The big difference is if you were to use a VR Headset since the screen would be very close to your face and magnified.. this is when I would recommend using WQHD+ ... FHD+ 1080p is fine for daily use and I doubt you would be able to have a noticeable battery drain.
It's truely a topic of Battery Life & Lower Temps / vs. / "Visual Fidelity" & Higher Temps. I believe using WQHD+ over the course of a year would have a considerable but not horrible wear on the battery lifespan however, considering hardware isn't impervious to aging.
I've played with both resolutions but haven't noticed a difference neither.