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I just finished having a very annoying discussion/debate with a Tmo store manager. I went in there to see what kind of sleeves they had for my HD7 and, when the manager came over to help, I noticed he owned a Nexus S. I commented on how disappointed I'd been by the Nexus S when I went over to Best Buy on launch day with the intention of buying one. He asked why...I gave him a small list of reasons, and long story short, he took personal offense with my Google/Samsung/Nexus S critiques and started bad mouthing "Windows" and "Windows Mobile 7".
Initially, I pointed out that there is no such thing...that it's Windows Phone 7. He said it means the same thing, and that "Windows" makes both of them. I told him that Windows is a product brand and didn't "make" anything....that yes, Microsoft created Windows Mobile and Windows Phone 7, but that they had next to nothing in common beyond that.
He told me Windows is Windows..and that the new Windows for phones is on "mobile" devices, so it's ok to call it Windows Mobile. He also said that to keep people from getting confused, he takes the time to explain how this Windows 7 is not the same as Windows 7 for their pc's. At that point all I could do was chuckle and verify that he was indeed the store manager...which he did.
I then wasted some more of my time by using Palm and WebOS as an example of how it's very inaccurate and misleading to lump a company's newest OS into the same category as whatever else they used before just because it's the same company. I also told him that he and his employees were doing Microsoft, its developers, all early adopters, and his customers a disservice by incorrectly referring to WP7 as Windows Mobile, if solely for the fact that the Windows Mobile name carries such a bad reputation with most consumers. In the end, we agreed to disagree...although I did tell him that I thought Tmo corporate would not approve of his disregard for accuracy when referring to Microsoft's latest OS. To that, he replied that all stores do it the same way.
Ok, sorry for my super sized rant. I just can't believe the attitude that Tmo employees have towards WP7 and Microsoft in general! If this is truly the approach that all TMOUS stores are taking, then they are single-handedly doing more to hurt WP7 than any Apple/Android fanboi ever could. Does my experience in this one store fall in line with what you all have seen at other stores? Or, do you all think that this really doesn't hurt WP7...that I'm overreacting?
JoePR31 said:
I just finished having a very annoying discussion/debate with a Tmo store manager. I went in there to see what kind of sleeves they had for my HD7 and, when the manager came over to help, I noticed he owned a Nexus S. I commented on how disappointed I'd been by the Nexus S when I went over to Best Buy on launch day with the intention of buying one. He asked why...I gave him a small list of reasons, and long story short, he took personal offense with my Google/Samsung/Nexus S critiques and started bad mouthing "Windows" and "Windows Mobile 7".
Initially, I pointed out that there is no such thing...that it's Windows Phone 7. He said it means the same thing, and that "Windows" makes both of them. I told him that Windows is a product brand and didn't "make" anything....that yes, Microsoft created Windows Mobile and Windows Phone 7, but that they had next to nothing in common beyond that.
He told me Windows is Windows..and that the new Windows for phones is on "mobile" devices, so it's ok to call it Windows Mobile. He also said that to keep people from getting confused, he takes the time to explain how this Windows 7 is not the same as Windows 7 for their pc's. At that point all I could do was chuckle and verify that he was indeed the store manager...which he did.
I then wasted some more of my time by using Palm and WebOS as an example of how it's very inaccurate and misleading to lump a company's newest OS into the same category as whatever else they used before just because it's the same company. I also told him that he and his employees were doing Microsoft, its developers, all early adopters, and his customers a disservice by incorrectly referring to WP7 as Windows Mobile, if solely for the fact that the Windows Mobile name carries such a bad reputation with most consumers. In the end, we agreed to disagree...although I did tell him that I thought Tmo corporate would not approve of his disregard for accuracy when referring to Microsoft's latest OS. To that, he replied that all stores do it the same way.
Ok, sorry for my super sized rant. I just can't believe the attitude that Tmo employees have towards WP7 and Microsoft in general! If this is truly the approach that all TMOUS stores are taking, then they are single-handedly doing more to hurt WP7 than any Apple/Android fanboi ever could. Does my experience in this one store fall in line with what you all have seen at other stores? Or, do you all think that this really doesn't hurt WP7...that I'm overreacting?
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I completely agree with you. Every T-Mobile store I walked into for a case / sleeve / screen protector the reps would just tell me how disappointed I would be in a couple weeks if I kept it. When i asked why they would always start refering to the HD2. I tired to explain to them this was a new OS, but most of the time they won't listen. One MANAGER went as far to say he won't let anyone buy them.
Every rep also is completely surprised I've had a Nexus ONE (which i miss) AND a Vibrant (hated the thing) and I still love my HD7 more than both of those phones.
Only 1 store i have been to have i felt i changed the position of the reps. All I had to do at that store was inform them iof what a zune pass was and they were amazed. I consider that a win, but it's something I should of never been forced to do.
MS really needs to step up and start requiring all carrier reps to try out the device as some sort of training program for the device. Once the reps try it out I'm sure the platform will really start to take off.
as said in a different thread... people have this stigma around the Windows brand. Even though for many of them Windows has served them for a decade or more, they relate any issue to Windows. So bringing out a phone, they instantly see it as a "Windows" device because it carries the name "Windows Phone", and therefore instantly think it's full of bugs. They don't even take the time to see that it could smack them up side with the features alone.
I think MS has more work cut out for them beating off the stigma of the name, rather than actually having the device do it's job well...
Nope. Its not that.
TMo stores are full of android fans.
They badmouth everytging ti sell you an android phone.
They even badmouth other android phones to sell u the latest one.
Theyre typically the least informed reps as well. Verizon and sprint reps are generally way more clued in than TMo.
AT&T are the least biased, though, but probably because they have the most variety. I've never felt pressured to buy any certain phone or type of phone in an AT&T store.
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I went to 2 different tmobile stores on hd7 launch day and neither one had the wp7 display out or even a demo unit. this was about 2pm on launch day. First store just told me: "yeah, we keep meaning to get that set up." Told them have a nice day, obviously, they weren't looking to sell me a phone. Went to the next one (usual one I do business with and had already had winmo discussions with their android fanboi CS) and they didn't have it set up either. The second store did grab a demo unit and let me play with it for a while without any pressure to buy.
I guess t-mobile has just become so android heavy, its all they know. When I showed off my hd2 to a CS rep, heavily modded with energy and lots of tweaks/ themes, he was impressed how smooth it was. It was then I was shocked to find out that the almighty vibrant required a root/ lagfix to make it smooth.
I don't have anything against android, but they really should know about all the phones they sell and most don't. I complained to t-mobile corporate about it, but as long as they are selling devices with 30 dollar data plans, I doubt they care.
Everything you guys are saying is spot on. It's a combination of all of the above...and it's a major problem. My experience today was not the first time I'd experienced Android bias in a Tmo store, just the worst...and the first that was so blatantly anti-MS. I've never seen a company actively working against a product they sell on as large a scale as this appears to be. I wonder...is this due solely to employees who lack proper training...or if it's some kind of pro-Android corporate mandate?
I would love to hear some feedback from any TMOUS employee who happens to read this thread.
Just posted to their twitter account and you should all do the same.
I think it's BS that they're trying to ruin the OS.
It's all well and good to complain on XDA but not everyone reads here. A lot more do on twitter.
Im changing carriers next month (a friend will etf my account for my nday instead of fetting me a zunehd, since I got one myself).
That works better than twitter, imo.
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I mean wow, I guess my local T-Mobile stores are the only ones that love money. Every one that I have been into has been neutral, and will talk to you about any phone. Of course they will put in their personal opinion, I see no harm in that. You can't let a few accusations on this board be a representation T-Mobile.
OMG! It's not just T-Mobile!
All of the phones on display at my local Best Buy have stickers on the screens to represent screenshots instead of being plugged in and functional (what's up with that, BTW?).
So I asked the salesman if I could see a working Windows Phone.
He said there was no such thing as a working Windows Phone.
He said a lot of the Windows Phones they've sold have been returned because they keep crashing. He also said he didn't want to sell me one because he didn't want to have to process the return when I brought it back.
He also gave a quick speech about why I should get an Android instead, but I digress.
So apparently the conspiracy reaches beyond the T-Mobile stores.
vetvito said:
I mean wow, I guess my local T-Mobile stores are the only ones that love money. Every one that I have been into has been neutral, and will talk to you about any phone. Of course they will put in their personal opinion, I see no harm in that. You can't let a few accusations on this board be a representation T-Mobile.
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It's pretty widespread. It's not like we don't follow TMobile on Twitter or have them Liked in Facebook (because they may make announcements there that we miss while out and about, but can get the notification on our phones). Others are (and have) reporting similar issues in T-Mobile stores.
T-Mobile as a company is heavily biased towards Android. They sort of see themselves are the O.G.'s of Android Cell Phone carriers.
The fact that you have a decent store in your area is about as representative as the occurences described in this thread by other posters.
I've been posting for months about how T-Mobile rags on phones and platforms in order to sell you the CSR's prefered device.
The Vibrant was the next thing since sliced bread on release. The Minute the G2 and then MyTouch 4G was released, it became a problem device not recommended by the CSRs in all of the stores around here. God forbid you ask about a RIM or Windows Phone (HD2 or HD7). They look at you as if you're speaking a foreign language. How dare you request anything other than Android?!
Personally I buy the best phone for what I need at that time. When the Vibrant came out, I already had an HD2, and T-Mobile didn't have any other phones worth a ****, so I got the Vibrant. Needed a phone with multi-touch in more than a few apps, and up to date first party applications + Exchange connectivity (Facebook, Twitter, etc. official Clients).
That, and real flash was a deciding factor. Samsung did say FroYo was coming in a couple months before the phones were released, and I regrettably took their word for it. Also, 2.2 brings Push Notifications, which was another biggie for me.
I'm not necessarily loyal to any platform, so when I have to constantly deal with biased CSRs, it agravates the **** out of me.
Especially since I know more than they do, but I'm too nice to tell them to just "get the hell out of my face."
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I mean wow, I guess my local T-Mobile stores are the only ones that love money. Every one that I have been into has been neutral, and will talk to you about any phone. Of course they will put in their personal opinion, I see no harm in that. You can't let a few accusations on this board be a representation T-Mobile.
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Being that I posted this thread just a couple of hours ago, I'm actually surprised at the number of people that have already experienced something similar from Tmo and felt strongly enough about it to share their experience on here. I am certainly not anti-Tmobile. I've been a T-Mobile customer for 7 years, and over that time span have bought many devices from then. On average, 3 per year.
I'm also not anti-Android. In fact, most of the devices I've bought over the past 2 years have run Android...beginning with the very first..the G1(which I will never get rid of!). But, all that being said, I've seen and heard enough to be convinced that this is a real problem...and your tendency to post an opinion that goes against the grain of many of the threads you post in will not change that.
Tell me, why does it seem that most of the time I come across one of your posts, you are at odds with the others who posted in the same thread? Have I just happened to catch those threads and missed others where you don't do this, or do you do it on purpose? I know I could go and read your post history, but I rather hear it from you.
I bet Microsoft would love to know why there devices are not selling in Tmobile stores, surely someone knows a contact he can give this thread to... Then let the lawsuits fly.
JoePR31 said:
Being that I posted this thread just a couple of hours ago, I'm actually surprised at the number of people that have already experienced something similar from Tmo and felt strongly enough about it to share their experience on here. I am certainly not anti-Tmobile. I've been a T-Mobile customer for 7 years, and over that time span have bought many devices from then. On average, 3 per year.
I'm also not anti-Android. In fact, most of the devices I've bought over the past 2 years have run Android...beginning with the very first..the G1(which I will never get rid of!). But, all that being said, I've seen and heard enough to be convinced that this is a real problem...and your tendency to post an opinion that goes against the grain of many of the threads you post in will not change that.
Tell me, why does it seem that most of the time I come across one of your posts, you are at odds with the others who posted in the same thread? Have I just happened to catch those threads and missed others where you don't do this, or do you do it on purpose? I know I could go and read your post history, but I rather hear it from you.
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You're asking him rhetorical questions. Let's not get into this type of discussion. It's off-topic and it will more than likely result in a thread lock.
Move on and live with the fact that he disagrees.
Though I doubt he goes into T-Mobile stores with any frequency to check out RIM, WM, or WP7 devices... Given his posts/attitude on this forum.
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I bet Microsoft would love to know why there devices are not selling in Tmobile stores, surely someone knows a contact he can give this thread to... Then let the lawsuits fly.
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They probably think it's because it's the smallest major carrier. They probably could have sold more if they put a phone on Boost Mobile, instead of T-Mobile, to be honest...
Also, Windows Phone sales weren't expected to be super high. WP7 was released after a slew of Android super phones that soaked up a ton of contract renewals (and off-contract purchases).
On top of that, there are no CDMA WP7 devices. Sprint is generally starved of decent smartphones (only two decent ones at the moment), so they'll probably sell a bit there when they are released. Verizon doesn't have anything but redundant Droid phones, so I'm sure they will sell quite a bit WP7 devices when it goes there.
Many people who wanted an iPhones simply went to AT&T to get it, although I'm sure there's quite a few on Verizon that will get one. AT&T is cheaper than Verizon, anyways.
These are all factors that people on this forum dissenting upon WP7 almost always intentionally fail to mention.
EDIT: Oh, and let's not forget the HTC Surround is pretty crappy. The HD7 is an HD2 in a new skin (and it's on T-Mobile, see thread subject), and the Dell Venue Pro is still going through tweaks before it starts shipping en masse (Dell giving all their employees one probably cut deeply into stock available for the average consumer). The manufacturers and carriers didn't really do Microsoft any favors IRT launch devices (Microsoft doesn't design phones, so it's not their doing).
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You're asking him rhetorical questions. Let's not get into this type of discussion. It's off-topic and it will more than likely result in a thread lock.
Move on and live with the fact that he disagrees.
Though I doubt he goes into T-Mobile stores with any frequency to check out RIM, WM, or WP7 devices... Given his posts/attitude on this forum.
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Agreed...my apologies. Back on topic....
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They probably think it's because it's the smallest major carrier. They probably could have sold more if they put a phone on Boost Mobile, instead of T-Mobile, to be honest...
Also, Windows Phone sales weren't expected to be super high. WP7 was released after a slew of Android super phones that soaked up a ton of contract renewals (and off-contract purchases).
On top of that, there are no CDMA WP7 devices. Sprint is generally starved of decent smartphones (only two decent ones at the moment), so they'll probably sell a bit there when they are released. Verizon doesn't have anything but redundant Droid phones, so I'm sure they will sell quite a bit WP7 devices when it goes there.
Many people who wanted an iPhones simply went to AT&T to get it, although I'm sure there's quite a few on Verizon that will get one. AT&T is cheaper than Verizon, anyways.
These are all factors that people on this forum dissenting upon WP7 almost always intentionally fail to mention.
EDIT: Oh, and let's not forget the HTC Surround is pretty crappy. The HD7 is an HD2 in a new skin (and it's on T-Mobile, see thread subject), and the Dell Venue Pro is still going through tweaks before it starts shipping en masse (Dell giving all their employees one probably cut deeply into stock available for the average consumer). The manufacturers and carriers didn't really do Microsoft any favors IRT launch devices (Microsoft doesn't design phones, so it's not their doing).
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LOL about Boost Mobile.
I do disagree about the Surround though. It's smoother than any Android phone I've used to date and the hardware is good quality. I've not had any lockups other than Marketplace once and a slow Java script. It may not be groundbreaking, but there's only so much you can get in a phone.
As for experiences with T-Mobile, I think both them and AT&T have been dragging their feet on the WM handsets, and T-Mobile might be outright sabotaging sales. The T-Mobile reps I talked to all had Android phones and had to pull an HD7 from behind the counter, and I was the first to play with it after two days being out . They also steered me strongly away from the HD2, which I know to be stable when it's not saddled with lots of bloatware.
If I were MS, I'd be asking some questions.
Being in the UK I dont see it as much as pretty much all phones are on any network except the trophy with is vodafone only at the moment and the HD7 with is O2 at the moment.
But if I were asking people whos job it is to sell my devises how sales are and they say rubbish and I could back up my complaint with this info they would be getting a very stiff punch in the face.
I'm an employee and I actually love my HD7. Ask me about it in my store and I'd pull mine out and show you Netflix, Zune, the 720 cam, explain the Ui and the specs to a "T". I try and educate everyone that comes in the store and tell them about all the features.. Unfortunately I get a lot of people just interested in the mytouch 4g.. I understand its a 4g phone and it is the only one that boasts a great front faced cam.. But It's not a great fit for every buyer.. Judging by what I have read thus far, it seems as though a lot of you have been burned by misinformed, ignorant and very rude rsa.. But that really shouldn't deter you from retaining our great service.. Yes there are a lot of ignorant rsa out there and not a lot of them even know what kind of features the phones have.. I am sorry about the way you guys were treated. You people as customers are very appreciated and should be well informed about each and every product without bias.. Unfortunately, there are a lot of "sale men" and not enough tech men.. I hope you guys don't take it out on the company and retain your well appreciated service with us.. The HD7 is a killer!!
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I'm an employee and I actually love my HD7. Ask me about it in my store and I'd pull mine out and show you Netflix, Zune, the 720 cam, explain the Ui and the specs to a "T". I try and educate everyone that comes in the store and tell them about all the features.. Unfortunately I get a lot of people just interested in the mytouch 4g.. I understand its a 4g phone and it is the only one that boasts a great front faced cam.. But It's not a great fit for every buyer.. Judging by what I have read thus far, it seems as though a lot of you have been burned by misinformed, ignorant and very rude rsa.. But that really shouldn't deter you from retaining our great service.. Yes there are a lot of ignorant rsa out there and not a lot of them even know what kind of features the phones have.. I am sorry about the way you guys were treated. You people as customers are very appreciated and should be well informed about each and every product without bias.. Unfortunately, there are a lot of "sale men" and not enough tech men.. I hope you guys don't take it out on the company and retain your well appreciated service with us.. The HD7 is a killer!!
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I'm leaving T-Mobile because they released a Product that performs like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB1b0UrX9e0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2do065zuSUI
And now they're dragging their feet along with Samsung to bring updates.
When I change phones because of a faulty product, I usually take my family plan to another carrier at the same time.
First CTIA announcement was delayed, then later an announcement without carriers or release dates. Two weeks later and till no US carrier release information. Seems odd considering the other recent "super phone" announcements came with carrier information, release dates, and pricing. Also the usual parties have not received production review units which I'd expect by now.
Even announcing puts the brakes on product purchases of competing models. Look how many people withheld purchases of smart phones the entire quarter prior to an expected iPhone release. Why announce and hold if reducing product competition was the goal?
The only thing I can think of is to steal some of Apple's iOS 5 thunder. Show that Google's Android 4.0 is moving forward too even if it's not really ready.
What do you think?
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First CTIA announcement was delayed, then later an announcement without carriers or release dates. Two weeks later and till no US carrier release information. Seems odd considering the other recent "super phone" announcements came with carrier information, release dates, and pricing. Also the usual parties have not received production review units which I'd expect by now.
Even announcing puts the brakes on product purchases of competing models. Look how many people withheld purchases of smart phones the entire quarter prior to an expected iPhone release. Why announce and hold if reducing product competition was the goal?
The only thing I can think of is to steal some of Apple's iOS 5 thunder. Show that Google's Android 4.0 is moving forward too even if it's not really ready.
What do you think?
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Even I felt it was odd that there is no official US release announcement yet. I just hope the unlocked GSM model gets released this month. I don't mind paying the full price.
I have to admit I would not have been this anxious if I did not loose my Nexus One . It's hard to survive with a 5 year old phone.
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First CTIA announcement was delayed, then later an announcement without carriers or release dates. Two weeks later and till no US carrier release information. Seems odd considering the other recent "super phone" announcements came with carrier information, release dates, and pricing. Also the usual parties have not received production review units which I'd expect by now.
Even announcing puts the brakes on product purchases of competing models. Look how many people withheld purchases of smart phones the entire quarter prior to an expected iPhone release. Why announce and hold if reducing product competition was the goal?
The only thing I can think of is to steal some of Apple's iOS 5 thunder. Show that Google's Android 4.0 is moving forward too even if it's not really ready.
What do you think?
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Well, Verizon did say we're getting the Galaxy Nexus "later this year"... But that's about the only US release information to date.
US carriers just released the old galaxy S II. They want to actually sell some and not have everyone wait 45 days for the newer / better device.
I think its slightly unnerving that theres quite a bit of silence from Google when they've already announced a date for Europe.
I think its because they're trying to work with carriers this time. Whereas with the Nexus S they clearly didn't try that hard. Part of that is pretty much requiring that they get VZW (thats why they made the LTE version), and the other part is trying to push it to more carriers too.
We'll see. I'm not "worried" about it, just curious.
If by next week we still don't have the LTE version labels released by the FCC, then something is curious.
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US carriers just released the old galaxy S II. They want to actually sell some and not have everyone wait 45 days for the newer / better device.
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If that is the reason then why announce in the first place. By announcing they are in fact causing a lot of people to wait and not buy the Galaxy S2, myself included.
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US carriers just released the old galaxy S II. They want to actually sell some and not have everyone wait 45 days for the newer / better device.
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Normal people don't do this. Only nerds do. You're way off base if you think any normal person knows what a "Nexus" phone is, or cares enough to hold off buying a new phone when they're ready to make a purchase.
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I think its slightly unnerving that theres quite a bit of silence from Google when they've already announced a date for Europe.
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You're not alone mate. Here in Europe we have a date but what does it mean? Is it just for the 16 GB version? If yes when does the 32GB arrive? Not a single shop here has a confirmed date when it is in store so we're in the same situation. We can just wait and search the web for infos.
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Nebucatnetzer said:
You're not alone mate. Here in Europe we have a date but what does it mean? Is it just for the 16 GB version? If yes when does the 32GB arrive? Not a single shop here has a confirmed date when it is in store so we're in the same situation. We can just wait and search the web for infos.
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Indeed. I'm constantly looking for information about the 32 GB version as I really need the space and I find it frustrating that there is no information about it. I even asked Samsung Sweden about it and they have yet to reply. They did reply to my other questions I asked them earlier about the GN but not this.
It's pathetic. Google and Samsung screwed up a chance to take the spotlight from 4s.
Carriers ***** slapped both if them and they complied.
Nothing short of bad management to have ZERO information or street dates this far after announcement. The *few weeks* bull**** stopped being believable after gingerbread.
Agreed. I'm not going to reopen any old wounds, because they might be egocentric as another member or two posted, but this is not how you do it.
I just keep looking at that original Nexus One launch and hang my head. If those people involved could only see to now? Dear god they'd be ashamed, I would think.
The more frustrating thing is Google really is so big, the only other people that can bull them into releasing info are more corrupt and more interest centric than Google itself. The actual people that will use the device day in and out, I feel there is no one to speak for our interests.
It would be nice if we could twitter Rubin himself: A number of users, with a simple message: You should be ashamed of the GN launch. #Nexus Fail
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Agreed. I'm not going to reopen any old wounds, because they might be egocentric as another member or two posted, but this is not how you do it.
I just keep looking at that original Nexus One launch and hang my head. If those people involved could only see to now? Dear god they'd be ashamed, I would think.
The more frustrating thing is Google really is so big, the only other people that can bull them into releasing info are more corrupt and more interest centric than Google itself. The actual people that will use the device day in and out, I feel there is no one to speak for our interests.
It would be nice if we could twitter Rubin himself: A number of users, with a simple message: You should be ashamed of the GN launch. #Nexus Fail
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I wouldn't be so harsh but I ordered my device and so I would like to know where it is and when I can receive it.
The only thing which probably was a bit fail is the fact that they showed it to early.
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Nebucatnetzer said:
I wouldn't be so harsh but I ordered my device and so I would like to know where it is and when I can receive it.
The only thing which probably was a bit fail is the fact that they showed it to early.
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Don't forget it was meant to be announced a week or two before it actually was, so that would have been even earlier.
So far all we have had is either conflicting information, or none at all. Samsung confirmed yesterday that release in the UK would be on the 17th, and literally a matter of hours later retailers are saying this has now been pushed back to w/c 21st
They have lost quite a bit of momentum with the delays and confusion imo. My attitude has gone from "wow, I need this phone now" to "do I really need a new phone?".
I will probably still buy it though
I bet they're still wringing out bugs/issues.
The conspiracy theorist in me says there are patent issues to work out.
My guess is they will never disclose why the launch has been delayed. But I do agree, it's likely lawyers, not engineers involved in the delay.
I like to feel special. If less people have it, it makes me more special.
I had a Samsung Wave in the U-S-of-A. I felt special. Until I started hating it for being so special (Samsung store didn't work in the US).
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It's pathetic. Google and Samsung screwed up a chance to take the spotlight from 4s.
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you honestly think that the Galaxy Nexus would be able to take the spotlight from the iPhone 4S?
PM me so I know where to get the drugs you're on....
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Barkleyfan said:
My guess is they will never disclose why the launch has been delayed. But I do agree, it's likely lawyers, not engineers involved in the delay.
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There's probably a lot of numbers talk going on between Google and the carriers in the USA atm.
Don't know, might be Samsung not Google. Maybe one reason they bought Motorola I bet the next Nexus will be Motorola's
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So...this Nokia Lumia 900 made me break my 8 year relationship I've had with Sprint (though these past couple years haven't been the best watching the other carriers blow past me with superior networks) and my 3 year fix with Android. I knew nothing but Android, Sprint, Nextel, and Blackberry since I've owned a phone. And now I feel like I'm being thrown aside as a beta tester. I don't mean to rant but I wasn't that upset about this WP8 fiasco until recently because I've been thinking on everything else I've given up just for "The best deal in smarthphone market". I think what aggravates me most is that this wasn't just revealed when WE found about it, I'm sure Nokia has known this for months given how deep their ties to Microsoft are now.
Enough of my rant, back to my point: Is there any way you can see either Nokia or AT&T offering an early upgrade or a buyback program from people who sipped from the kool aid last? I made a huge commitment and also missed out on TWO superphones (One X and Galaxy S3) and now I'm left holding an obsolete device that's going to get reskinned in a few months...whoopdy whoo. Are there any loopholes around getting off contract or getting an early upgrade in regards to this situation?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27761087&postcount=5
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/67729502-post215.html
Read and I hope you will truly understand what's in it other than the home screen.
And to be fair, you guys in the US bought the phone only for 100 USD or rather Nokia gave you 50 USD for the phone. ( 450 off contract )
in other parts of the world you won't even get such an amazing device at that price, ATT subsidies quite a hefty amount. I bought mine for 600 USD off contract.
But overal I still think its worth it given how good the experience is, don't mind about the cores, rams .. Its just a marketing gimmick to me.
I suggest you to wait and see what Microsoft have in store for 7.8 update,it can't be just another UI changes.
Remember 7.5 mango? They really overdelivered but they announced too early and as a result, many features were copied to Android.
LastBattle said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27761087&postcount=5
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/67729502-post215.html
Read and I hope you will truly understand what's in it other than the home screen.
And to be fair, you guys in the US bought the phone only for 100 USD or rather Nokia gave you 50 USD for the phone. ( 450 off contract )
in other parts of the world you won't even get such an amazing device at that price, ATT subsidies quite a hefty amount. I bought mine for 600 USD off contract.
But overal I still think its worth it given how good the experience is, don't mind about the cores, rams .. Its just a marketing gimmick to me.
I suggest you to wait and see what Microsoft have in store for 7.8 update,it can't be just another UI changes.
Remember 7.5 mango? They really overdelivered but they announced too early and as a result, many features were copied to Android.
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I was exaggerating when I said that it was just a new home screen, but in reality the entire source code was scrapped and almost built from the ground up. This is GREAT for the evolution of the WP8 OS...but not so much for those of us who will hit a wall with 7.8. Once that releases for us why SHOULD anybody (including MS and Nokia) really care too much about us? The real focus, as it should be, will making sure that WP8 will be the smoothest and best kept OS across three platforms, not in pleasing us legacy WP7.8 guys.
We will become an afterthought in their minds, because Microsoft is either blatantly lying to us or naive enough to believe that developers are going to waste their time porting everything over to 7.8. And before somebody jumps in and points out that it's now a streamlined process and relatively easy to port over to 7.8 theoretically, that doesn't mean it'll happen. Because 7.5 really isn't receiving the best support now outside of MS and Nokia and a few select developers, so what's going to all of a sudden change when a new shinier OS is out there? Why are dev's all of a sudden gonna care about us?
This is why I feel we should be compensated in some way. My Lumia 900 is in relative pristine condition, I should be able to trade it in for a new Windows Phone, pay $200, and renew my 2 year contract because Microsoft and Nokia and AT&T sold me a lie saying the beta test was over. This is about the most ironic marketing campaign I've bore witnessed to in the last couple of years. I'm upset, and I'm usually one to just accept these sort of corporate carrot danglings (especially in the tech world) but I'm really surprised there's no petition from other Lumia customers asking for something similar to what I proposed.
Hopefully we can hack 8 to lumia 900
I still hope that there is no technical reason to not install wp 8 to lumia 900 or other hw.
Same as you could put an android to an old windows 6 mobile.
We yet to see if it's possible or not. hopefully they didn't make it impossible.
The problem is probably with the upgrade. you would need to reload a new firmware loosing all the settings, all your apps if they re not yet on 8 ( even those you've paid for). That would piss people even more probably and maybe that's why there is no official upgrade path ?
This is my 2cent and really hope to hack 8 to my lumia 900.
Thought I share this nice post at wmpoweruser.com
http://wmpoweruser.com/editorial-banking-on-consumer-stupidity-is-a-losing-proposition/
What's your take on this....coz I agree WITH EVERYTHING!
Kenzibit said:
Thought I share this nice post at wmpoweruser.com
http://wmpoweruser.com/editorial-banking-on-consumer-stupidity-is-a-losing-proposition/
What's your take on this....coz I agree WITH EVERYTHING!
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Ill-informed article. I don't know why you've gone on pasting such links here.
Kenzibit said:
Thought I share this nice post at wmpoweruser.com
http://wmpoweruser.com/editorial-banking-on-consumer-stupidity-is-a-losing-proposition/
What's your take on this....coz I agree WITH EVERYTHING!
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Well, I would agree with some of it... except the nokia 900 sold fairly well (for a wp device anyway) on 24 month contracts. With a hardware company that killed its own in house OS, and an unproven wp on it.
Maybe label folks as short sighted or believers instead of stupid ?
Wmpoweruser keeps going downhill everyday, sometimes I think it's run by teenagers. The reality is most people don't care about updates, people buy Android phones running Gingerbread every day and they don't even know what they're missing. As long as current Lumia phones keep getting the essential apps (which I'm sure they will, starting with the Zynga games) people won't care that they don't have WP8. Only people like us care, people who follow that stuff.
Wmpoweruser is a gossip site. As this is an opinion piece, I have no problem with it other than calling people stupid. If sales do drop noticeably, somebody is just going to have to come up with some sort of incentive to keep people buying. Of course, the phone makers knew this was coming so I seriously doubt if they have gazillion WP7 devices in their warehouses.
The author estimates that instead of 10 only 2 million WP8 devices will be sold in Q4 2012 because Microsoft does not provide updates for WP7 devices.
I don't really get this logic.
If anything, an update to Windows Phone 8 might decrease some sales because WP7 users don't need to buy a new phone.
Also Microsoft promised at least 18 months of updates to the fact that the Lumia 900 won't get WP8 doesn't really matter anymore.
Last but not least, most people bought a phone because they liked it the way it was when they bought it. Just because there is WP8 doesn't mean I won't be able to enjoy the features of my current phone (+ 7.8).
It is sound logic. This is how blackberry lost many of its users. I used to be a blackberry storm2 user, the phone sucked but most of us with the phone eagerly awaited an upgrade to OS7.
For months, RIM said nothing, kept quiet didn't confirm or deny which phones would get the new os, and boy did the storm2 need an update for that terrible browser. Anyway, OS7 rolls along and no upgrade. If we wanted a new browser we had to buy the BB Touch.
I'm sure it sounded well on paper, after all all these old blackberry users would go out there and upgrade their phones right? Do you know what happens when users go to buy new phones? They look at all the options.. ALL of them. If if they have a bad experience with your phone or have been lied to misled, they most of them buy something else.
TLDR; most users wont upgrade because they are stuck on relatively new contracts, and when they do it is unlikely they would continue buying the same kind of phone if they have been treated poorly. Expect the conversion rate to be low.
I dont know it has worked out pretty well for apple for what 5+ years now?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/oct/09/htc-suffers-crash-quarterly-profits
Words of wisdom from their CEO.
HTC will only comment when its audited results are published, but an email sent by the chief executive, Peter Chou, to employees in August urged staff to "kill bureaucracy". He complained: "We have people in meetings and talking all the time but without decision, strategic direction and sense of urgency."
obsydian said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/oct/09/htc-suffers-crash-quarterly-profits
Words of wisdom from their CEO.
HTC will only comment when its audited results are published, but an email sent by the chief executive, Peter Chou, to employees in August urged staff to "kill bureaucracy". He complained: "We have people in meetings and talking all the time but without decision, strategic direction and sense of urgency."
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most company's are struggling in this present worldwide climate of recession and slow growth forcasts so its no major suprise really.
as with apple they want to take over the world there latest ios 6 and apple iphone 5 to be frank are crap.
I guess my slant was just taking Jellybean and all prior updates coupled with the bureaucracy comment from their CEO, maybe explains (as well as HTC Sense being more involved) why these guys are so s-l-o-w.
I think a 79% crash is far worse than the general industry.
Problem with HTC is the fact that they release too many low-cost handsets which don't sell very well and so they lose money quickly. I can't believe that they can't see this.
Also, another thing that's bad with HTC is the support for handsets. I bought Sensation XL back in June, sold it this week because tthey didn't confirm JB for it. I mean, it has been released in December 2011, not even a year of support for £400 handset?
H-Streety said:
Problem with HTC is the fact that they release too many low-cost handsets which don't sell very well and so they lose money quickly. I can't believe that they can't see this.
Also, another thing that's bad with HTC is the support for handsets. I bought Sensation XL back in June, sold it this week because tthey didn't confirm JB for it. I mean, it has been released in December 2011, not even a year of support for £400 handset?
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There's not enough money in the high end handsets, they need massively high volumes of low to mid tier handsets. Unfortunately that's devalued their brand and image too.
When they first started to shine... with the HTC Diamond (yes, they made plenty of devices beforehand, but that was the first consumer 'wow' phone). they were innovative. Sadly for 6 years they failed to capitalise on that, and massively let down their consumers with the 'Sense' hub that was cancelled (even thought they sold phones based on that feature).
Their industrial design was really nice with the Diamond too... a great balance of sophisticated and sexy (with their glowing circle etc).
They need to get back to basics... 1 Low, 1 Mid, 1 High tier - 3 devices. Forget the many variants.
It can't 'match' the competition, it has to better them by some margin.
It needs to ditch Sense, OR introduce a brand new Sense that puts 'sexy' back into the UI.
When was the last time a HTC owner truly wanted to show off their phone to friends, knowing they'd be impressed? They've lost the WOW.
But one bright thing in their favour. Samsung, Sony and Apple haven't managed to achieve 'WOW' yet. Great devices, yes, but not 'WOW'
They are still profitible and have plenty of cash in the bank so it's not as if their teetering on the edge. But investors and analysts are getting tired of each quarter seeming to accelerate their downward slide. With the One X+, XV, and 8X on AT&T and the illusive DLX on VZW they have a chance to really move some volume in the 4th quarter because of the size of those two carriers. If with all those major devices launching they don't see some improvement I expect them to be a merger or acquisition candidate early next year. Things can't continue as they are.
It is the trend that is worrying. Like it or not Samsung has the Android mindshare. HTC have themselves to blame may it be business decisions or management issues. HTC was Android's top manufacturer in the early days.
When people think Android, they think Samsung now. It could be better publicity, marketing, global image, or even court battles, etc.
thank u`
I will pick up HTC, not samsumg, i dont like to spend my money in cheap plastic, low benchmarks phones like sg3
I dont care numbers, marketing or selling, we know that not the all the world is smart, and that the marketing afects woman and child, thats what samsung is doing. Done.
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Htc is a billion dollar company making pinuts , I don't agree it's still profitable,when you deal with share holders. Loans ,there would be nothing left from the 100 Millions they made , HTC is like a million dollar company making 100 dollars and yet we're calling it profitable ,next 80% drop there wouldn't be anything to be profitable about
The problem is that htc dont feed me, dont give money, so... What s the point to talk about if htc make money or not, at least u r a sammy boy, really have no sense to talk about others money, just talk about how wonderful will be the best phone in earth with official jelly bean. I was right, next year sammy galaxy will be competing with LG. I told U. But well... Dont give up sammy, keep selling cheap, ugly designed phone with low bench, i forgot, sg boots in 10 secs, who cares.
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Maybe the $2k from S-Off bounty thread could help them out a little lol
why is this thread being bumped
they still make profits, better than tons of other mega companies
grow up!
atrako1973 said:
HTC is like a million dollar company making 100 dollars and yet we're calling it profitable
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Being profitible isn't open to debate; it's black and white. If after paying all their bills and servicing any debt they have a $100 left they're profitible. That also means their cash flow positive (not drawing on reserves to cover expenses). That's obviously not a great position for a multi-billion dollar global company but as Mark Twain said - "rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated."
Not suprised, it'll be all the bloody HOX's they've had to replace.
LAWL
tbh im not that suprised, i had enough of the htc one x, not lasting the day - unable to change the battery and having to carry around a seperate charger that i kept forgetting to charge,
Ive owned htc devices since xda days and they have always been to me the best phones around imho, hackabilty without losing warrenty was also a big bonus which always extended the life of the handset.
the one x is the the first htc phone ive owned ive not hacked, after having a dhd fail after 1.5 years i was worried about losing the warrenty.
I think thats where htc are going wrong, samsung have an excellent range of hackable devices (ok touch wiz is crap and superamoled is still infantacy) but the phones have some really cool features that would make the one x and the rest of the line shine - removable battery being foremost in my mind. Being able to change leds, fonts asigning keys all without having too root is what is making the difference between the two manufactors to the end users like us.
Sense is nice and polished but has become stale over time and locked down, getting a new phone with htc isnt the wow factor any more, htc need to bring that back - having to wait for months unless you voided your warrenty to remove the 3 dot menu button made the phone a joke.
i personally wish htc all the best for the future and hope they sort themselves out on future products - getting a nexus line would be a cool advancement, but i think they willl carry on making the same mistakes year in year out.
they need to be reminded they are not apple and cannot lock the devices down to a android community, thats whats coming back to bite them at this time.
Wooow, again our hox forum full of trolling samy boys, so Hox keeps on the top.
Why hox owners dont go to sg3 forums? Cause there is no need.
Why samy boys come here?
I will told u why, cause hox is the best phone in earth, not matter what u wanna troll.
I love my gaming hox. Tegra games, sony psmobile games, well... You know, its not samsung, it s HTC. :thumbup:
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Don't be so small minded, I'm not trolling but stating why I think HTC is having issues after OWNING THE HOX for quiet some time, so any word said against HTC is trolling, good luck with that.
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Yeah, funny.
Hox is the best phone in earth and everytime we, hox users, are waiting for updates or good news, well, post like this suddenly appears. Nothing new under the sun.
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