11th DECEMBER 2012 UPDATE:
With the 7.10.8858 WP7.8 ROM on my Lumia 710 (RainbowMod 2.0.1) I can run the enhanced settings posted originally with battery drain held in check.
I assume this is the same with all ROMs from the Dynamics 2.x family, after a few charge cycles for the battery to calibrate.
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Hi all
I've been tinkering with the GPS settings for a long time to try to combat loss of signal and I've found the sweet spot and it seems to improve matters for a range of phones (tested on LG Optimus 7, HTC HD7 and Nokia Lumia 710).
I've now clocked up over 800 miles with these settings and they work brilliantly, even in the "concrete canyons". Give 'em a go (all other settings remain as default):
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOneDevice]
"QOSPerformance"=dword:255
"QOSAccuracy"=dword:3
"PollInterval"=dword:250
"FixMode"=dword:2
:good:(01 October) REVISED SETTINGS FOR LESS BATTERY DRAIN (non- 7.10.8858 ROMs): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32239182&postcount=16
mrjetking said:
Hi all
I've been tinkering with the GPS settings for a long time to try to combat loss of signal and I've found the sweet spot and it seems to improve matters for a range of phones (tested on LG Optimus 7, HTC HD7 and Nokia Lumia 710).
I've now clocked up over 800 miles with these settings and they work brilliantly, even in the "concrete canyons". Give 'em a go (all other settings remain as default):
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOneDevice]
"QOSPerformance"=dword:255
"QOSAccuracy"=dword:3
"PollInterval"=dword:250
"FixMode"=dword:2
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just off out for a run in 10mins so ill give them a bash.
meandu229 said:
just off out for a run in 10mins so ill give them a bash.
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good finding. I just got Lumia 900 and use GPS for less then an hour, it lost the signal and cannot recover until I reboot the phone. Maybe this could help.
HTC_FUZE said:
good finding. I just got Lumia 900 and use GPS for less then an hour, it lost the signal and cannot recover until I reboot the phone. Maybe this could help.
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I had the same thing on my Lumia 710 until I used these settings. Let me know if it works for you.
Seemed to improve things a bit for me, graphs from endomundo seem a bit smoother.
mrjetking said:
Hi all
I've been tinkering with the GPS settings for a long time to try to combat loss of signal and I've found the sweet spot and it seems to improve matters for a range of phones (tested on LG Optimus 7, HTC HD7 and Nokia Lumia 710).
I've now clocked up over 800 miles with these settings and they work brilliantly, even in the "concrete canyons". Give 'em a go (all other settings remain as default):
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOneDevice]
"QOSPerformance"=dword:255
"QOSAccuracy"=dword:3
"PollInterval"=dword:250
"FixMode"=dword:2
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did you also test this in a city with lots of narrow streets near to another ?
could be a problem because you changed the Accuracy alot
Be aware that the GPS is already one of the biggest battery hogs on the phone, and trying to increase its accuracy is likely to exacerbate the problem.
Also, Lumia 900 owners: unless there's been a breakthough somewhere that I missed, you aren't going to be able to edit your phones' registries. This kind of thing requires, at a minimum, interop-unlock.
ceesheim said:
did you also test this in a city with lots of narrow streets near to another ?
could be a problem because you changed the Accuracy alot
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I've tried it in a variety of places that fit that description and its been fine. My HDOP is averaging 6-12 most of the time. Its basically requesting as low a degree of scope for varience in accuracy as possible. I tried it on 5 and it was great, 3 is even better. Coupled with polling more often and the top performance figure (255) it basically tells the satellites that this is a priority request for pin-point positioning.
GoodDayToDie said:
Be aware that the GPS is already one of the biggest battery hogs on the phone, and trying to increase its accuracy is likely to exacerbate the problem.
Also, Lumia 900 owners: unless there's been a breakthough somewhere that I missed, you aren't going to be able to edit your phones' registries. This kind of thing requires, at a minimum, interop-unlock.
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Its swings and roundabouts - you can have patchy lock accuracy and better battery life or great lock accuracy and a bit more battery drain. Since I use it for car navigation and its on charger all the time its acceptable. Whilst on charge in my car and used for navigation it loses about 5% an hour on my Lumia 710. To me, that's acceptable to get a lock I can rely on. If I'm not actively using gps it doesn't impact battery life on my phone.
this values is on my HD2 (GPS working perfectly)
"QOSPerformance"=30
"QOSAccuracy"=50
"PollInterval"=500
"FixMode"=3
Wait, it *loses* battery even while plugged in to charge? That's just messed up... it might be usable while navigating on a charger (although I find the default parameters sufficient for that in almost all cases) but I sure as hell wouldn't want to use it for getting around on foot or something. With that said, an app to quickly toggle the settings between the defaults and the high-accuracy mode may well be worth it.
Oh, one more little misconception: GPS is a totally passive receiver. You aren't telling the satellites anything. In fact, they don't even know that you're there. All that BS you see in movies where a GPS satellite is used to locate something on the ground is just that, pure BS. GPS satellites just orbit the Earth continuously transmitting; it's entirely up to the receivers to listen to those signals and, based on them, determine the receiver's location (relatedly, a signle GPS satellite can't be used to locate anything; you need at least three I think).
I suspect what these parameters are changing is A) how much CPU the phone devotes to getting accurate fixes, B) how much power the phone applies to amplifying the signals and processing out noise, and C) how often the phone makes the effort to compute the location (that's the PollInterval). I have no real idea what the FixMode does, although it may be related to some of the other items somehow.
On original settings all my phone's have had issues at times in cities with getting and maintaining an accurate lock. I have long suspected that the demister wires built into my windscreen were somehow causing problems with GPS reception.
With these settings it works flawlessly. Maybe the thread should be renamed with "for people with demister wires in their windscreen" then.
Fixmode Clarification
GoodDayToDie said:
I have no real idea what the FixMode does, although it may be related to some of the other items somehow.
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Fixmode 1 is Standalone
Fixmode 2 is MS-Based
Fixmode 3 is MS-Assisted
Read more here (basically determines how or if the GPS receiver will use A-GPS data):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GpsOne
No doubts, those values improve the location service, but it's draining too much energy, seems that even with the phone in charge, using Navigon will be possible only during few minutes!!! Not fair...
NebZoNe said:
No doubts, those values improve the location service, but it's draining too much energy, seems that even with the phone in charge, using Navigon will be possible only during few minutes!!! Not fair...
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I have happily used Navigon with all live services active for more than 5 hours driving with these settings and on charge in the car. From a full battery I still have around 75% charge left. I'm quite happy with those stats if it means I can rely on locks.
I have the settings permanently set and in day to day use (without prolonged GPS use) my battery still lasts 2 days.
"Relaxed" settings - drain reduced
For those concerned with battery drain, I have tried "relaxed" settings that on an hour of use (all the testing time I had, currently) in an city driving environment allow the handset to charge in car without battery charge losses beyond what the charger is supplying and still give pretty decent results:
Fixmode: 2
PollInterval: 500
QOSAccuracy: 100
QOSPerformance: 10
HDOP varied between 8 and 15 with these settings.
I don't know how much power these settings will pull when not on charge as have not had chance to do any extended testing but expect it to be only marginally more than stock, but better results.
Ok, lots of testing later (200 miles and counting) and the relaxed settings pull no more juice than stock settings, but give markedly better lock stability. Try it and see.
Sent from my Lumia 710 using Board Express
mrjetking said:
For those concerned with battery drain, I have tried "relaxed" settings that on an hour of use (all the testing time I had, currently) in an city driving environment allow the handset to charge in car without battery charge losses beyond what the charger is supplying and still give pretty decent results:
Fixmode: 2
PollInterval: 500
QOSAccuracy: 100
QOSPerformance: 10
HDOP varied between 8 and 15 with these settings.
I don't know how much power these settings will pull when not on charge as have not had chance to do any extended testing but expect it to be only marginally more than stock, but better results.
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Many thanks, so far does seem to improve the performance of my GPS
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dxdy said:
this values is on my HD2 (GPS working perfectly)
"QOSPerformance"=30
"QOSAccuracy"=50
"PollInterval"=500
"FixMode"=3
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dxdy, what are the standard settings on a HD2?
With the 7.10.8858 WP7.8 ROM on my Lumia 710 (RainbowMod 2.0.1) I can run the enhanced settings posted originally with battery drain held in check (see first post).
I assume this is the same with all ROMs from the Dynamics 2.x family, after a few charge cycles for the battery to calibrate.
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Hey people,
following on from artisticcheese's thread about battery consumption Ive performed a few tests on some different radio versions to see what the actual difference in battery consumption is.
Right now (as of 16-01-2008) I recommend the following radios:
1.47.30.10 with an overall score of 1.22 (the highest in the test)
or
1.54.30.10 with an overall score of 1.21 (2nd place).
Remember people, if you are planning on changing your radio version, flash hardspl, and make sure nothing is running which will interrupt the flash process. The radio flash is still the most risky of all flash processes and it is possible to kill the device so be sure before you flash. In doing these tests I performed over 10 radio flashes in a day and i made usre nothing CPU intensive was running on the PC and that i wasnt going to unplug the USB by accident etc...
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Test Run 16-10-08:
Before running these tests the phone was soft reset, ALL today plugins shut off (apart from x button), internet explorer for downloding and acbPowerMeter for power monitoring.
All tests again running on WM6 "V3 cabb'd III".
This set of tests is the following:
Test 1: GSM mode, backlight off, downloading for 5 minutes.
Test 2: UMTS mode, backlight off, downloading for 5 minutes.
The results vary and a pattern ive noticed is radio versions 1.47.30.10 and 1.54.30.10 seem to have the same behaviour in GSM modes, perhaps the extra ".30" in the version number denotes a particular tweak or feature??
Radio_Power_Tests_16012008.zip
Enjoy.
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Inital test run:
Using a freshly flashed version of my "V3 cabb'd" ROM which is a tweaked version of pandora naked 6 3.60 ROM with nothing installed so a lean install and using acbPowerMeter I ran the following tests on each radio rom:
Test 1: Backlight off, automatic standby disabled, all processes stopped using start>settings>system>memory. GSM only and phone left on idle.
10 minutes and average current consumption recorded.
Test 2: Same as test 2 , UMTS only.
Ive taken a screenshot of the data with magicss and normalised the results so the earliest radio version tested is the baseline score.
The results of the first test are in the attached spreadsheet and screenshots.
Conclusions:
The results show that overall the differences are neglegable for these tests, however I still believe there is a major difference in practice. So the next load of tests I propose will test the power consumption with data connection attached. Somehow I want to test during a call or download since the HSDPA power consumption is likely to be a BIG number.
how comes you didnt test the latest radio versions? *waits for more results*
nice idea though
each test involves flashing a new radio (20 mins-ish) and two ten minute test runs...I need to use my Tytn today so can probably try the other radios later on, it takes a fair ammount of time for each one so i only went from the ground (1.43.00.00) to the one currently on my device (1.47.30.10) last night. I abandoned doing the later ones until ive figured out a worthwhile test to run for ALL versions. Ive presented my findings so far to show that essentially the 4 versions i tried are identical under idle conditions...not really a true to life test.
..big thanks to u bro! ..awesome work as usual..
mrvanx said:
each test involves flashing a new radio (20 mins-ish) and two ten minute test runs...I need to use my Tytn today so can probably try the other radios later on, it takes a fair ammount of time for each one so i only went from the ground (1.43.00.00) to the one currently on my device (1.47.30.10) last night. I abandoned doing the later ones until ive figured out a worthwhile test to run for ALL versions. Ive presented my findings so far to show that essentially the 4 versions i tried are identical under idle conditions...not really a true to life test.
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Yeah, I think it will be the 3G call and HSDPA tests where the benefit of testing will be found.
My own tests show little difference in the idle power consumption.
I made very good experience with 1.41.00.10.
Good signal and low power consumption!
I've changed from 1.54 to 1.48 and I can honestly say my phone goes another day or two without charging!!!!!!!
Im gonna do some more tests tonight on the new format probably with some sort of download running (web n walk is usefull hehe).
So i'll post some more results later on if i can.
The best radio rom I've ever used
I tried many different radio roms for my Jasjam, believe me the best radio rom I've used regarding to power usage and signal is 1.46.00.11.
Even when using UMTS and 3G, in other radio roms; when connecting to internet with my laptop, I mean using Jasjam as access point to internet , the battery drains fast even if the Jasjam is connected to charger. but in this radio rom, when the charger is on, the battery stays stable and the Imate can also get charged. I know that this radio rom is designed for Trinity which is GPS enabled, but I am telling my experience. THANKS
For your testing goodness, here are pretty much all the radio roms I have ever come across.
http://www.crc.id.au/files/xda/Radio_Roms/
They are in .nb format - so you'll need to use Duttys tool to get them into .nbh files.
The power consumption is definately related to voice call usage.
My normal usage in a day means I use about 50 - 80% of my battery.
Whilst away in Tenerife I used my phone exactly the same but without making voice calls and I only used 50% after 3 -4 days.
This is certainly true. I was away in a place with no mobile coverage (no GSM or UTMS) and using the device for GPS navigation only I was able to get 2-3 full days out of the standard battery.
What is necessary to detect the correct battery consumption?
Something like this: http://www.vandenmuyzenberg.nl/PowerGuard/ ???
Should I use this tool?
matar said:
What is necessary to detect the correct battery consumption?
Something like this: http://www.vandenmuyzenberg.nl/PowerGuard/ ???
Should I use this tool?
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Both threads you have posted in have shown you the program that is to be used. Why do you keep asking?
Starfury said:
The power consumption is definately related to voice call usage.
My normal usage in a day means I use about 50 - 80% of my battery.
Whilst away in Tenerife I used my phone exactly the same but without making voice calls and I only used 50% after 3 -4 days.
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Experienced exactly the same thing when I was in Majorca. Even though I did use the phone a lot for sending as MMS (as that was free for me) I still got more usage out of the phone in Majorca if I had done pretty much the same usage pattern over here (UK) and that is because I suspect there transmitters put out a stronger signal, which means the phone has to 'work' less to get a stronger signal.
Starfury said:
Both threads you have posted in have shown you the program that is to be used. Why do you keep asking?
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Sorry for double posting, but I read that those tools doesn't show the correct consumption because they needs power themselves and therefore distort the result... Maybe somebody can confirm this? Thank You.
A very good point. I've known the radio kicks up the power when you have a low signal, and if it's lost - I turn off the radio until I get back to a good area or it really kills the battery fast.
Just thinking here, but to add another level of complexity to the testing - while statically measuring power drain without moving the device will give repeatable results, could a radio power draw "react" differently to signal strength variations, and not be as "efficient" compared to others while on the move (typical usage)?
For example, if the signal goes above 50db (no idea if I'm even using the correct scale here ) it incrementally increases power by 20% for 10 seconds each until an "acceptable" signal level is reached. Once this is achieved, will it reduce back down - say you came around a building an now have a better signal? How long will that take? Will some radios respond more rapidly than others - optimizing power usage vs signal strength?
Dammit Matt! Now you've really got me thinking
In a bit of the background on this, the GSM/UTMS protocol allows the base station to tell the mobile to increase or decrease the transmit power of the phone. This allows it to tune the performance of the phones radio to get the optimum signal level at the cell site. It also helps a heap in deciding what cell towers to jump between and all the critical handoff levels and names.
Much more info can be found:
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5357513-description.html
There's a lovely paper about it all here - but I don't want to pay for it
http://www.actapress.com/PaperInfo.aspx?PaperID=18185&reason=500
power useage is down to lots of different factors, one of the main culprits is use of HSDPA/3G and it bounsing up and down between it and GSM when the local Cell doesnt support it or has a weak signal.
I can't believe the statement made above about the battery being used quicker when you talk, of course its going to drain quicker, its permanently transmitting for gods sake
It also depends on how strong the signal to the nearest cell/Base Station is, if its a week signal then the radio/phone will bounce around to find a stronger one, I believe typically a phone will register with up to 3 base stations to enable you to auto switch between cells when you move.
if you're really bored and want to dig into how GSM works heres a starter for 10
http://www.fci-cu.edu.eg/INFOS2005/presentation/GSM_Concepts.pdf
If you want to test weak signals stick your phone in a tin box, assuming this doesnt kill the signal totally then the phone should start ramping up its power output and sucking the battery dry quicker.
My point was made in reference to the testing of the phone to see what uses the most battery and indicating that we should direct our testing at the phone application over any others.
I've been seeing sporadic posts in different threads about battery consumption in WM6.1 ROMS.
Well, it turns out that since starting to use WM6.1, I've noticed a dramatic decline in my battery life. I can maybe squeeze out a day of use with minimal use. If I use HSDPA / Voice / WiFi - forget it, I get 1-2 hours before the battery drops to nearly zero.
I used to get much better life out of my battery before.
I tried playing with different ROMs, then different Radio version - to no avail - battery life sucks.
Any tips / ideas / comparisons on how to get reasonable performance with WM6.1 or is this just my battery having issues?
I think this would be more your device...
To check this, go back to your manufacturers ROM, and see if the same still happens. Also try this test with no 3rd party applications installed.
Poor battery life is usually cause by either:
1) Applications using 100% CPU
2) Faulty ROM
3) Faulty Phone or Battery.
If you're tried multiple ROMs, I'd say you can rule out #2.
I get around 2 1/2 days out of the stock 1350mAh battery on my hermes.
Hi
ygeller , i had some battery life problems with my hermes and i found on another thread some ppl saying to first flash the ATT rom RUU_Hermes_CINGULAR_WWE_3.62.502.3_6275_1.54.07.00_108_UOOS_SVN05_Ship
and then the cooked one. That worked wonders for me, the radio version 1.54.07.00 is the best i tryed so far for battery life and network stability.
I'am using the latest PDAViet rom and no problems so far, with battery holding for 2 to 3 days with normal use.
ygeller said:
I've been seeing sporadic posts in different threads about battery consumption in WM6.1 ROMS.
Well, it turns out that since starting to use WM6.1, I've noticed a dramatic decline in my battery life. I can maybe squeeze out a day of use with minimal use. If I use HSDPA / Voice / WiFi - forget it, I get 1-2 hours before the battery drops to nearly zero.
I used to get much better life out of my battery before.
I tried playing with different ROMs, then different Radio version - to no avail - battery life sucks.
Any tips / ideas / comparisons on how to get reasonable performance with WM6.1 or is this just my battery having issues?
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Please try another radio, i used always the newest en I got the poorest battery performance! Now I use 1.47.30.10 in combination with PDAVIET roms and now my battery holds a day of 2/ 2,5!!
u are not alone
Hi ygeller,
me too have similar issues pls visit http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=392831 for details...
I have issues with charging too with my phone never charging full no matter how long i keep the charger on it get's stuck at 80%...
But good news is that I've arrested the drain now i flashed the PDAcorner pr0 V3 yesterday and through the entrire night the drain was less that 1% but it hasn't solved the drain if I use voice/data cause an 11 min call had my battery coming down from 63% to 16% ..
I guess i am gonna try and flash the stock ROM as compumad says..
I guess at least the charging issue is due to faulty ROM ( i hope)..
Thanks guys for input..
I agree that I get better battery life with the 1.47.30.0, in addition to aquiring a signal faster. The BIGGEST fix for me however was replacing my year old battery with a good quality Li-ion battery. Now I go a full day with hardly any drain using anybody's ROM, of course YMMV
I am having the same experience. I tried several WM6.1 ROMs and they always drained the battery within 1 day. I am back on Schap's ROM now and I can work for up to 3 days with HSDPA and BT on. About 1 month ago I returned my Hermes because of a defect and HTC replaced the complete inner life of my phone. So this can be compared to a more or less new Hermes.
As a comparison, I recently received a Wizard as a gift and flashed it with the WM6.1 ROM of SNN and believe it or not, the battery lasts for amazing 5 days! And that is with GPRS and BT on!
So, are we talking a major device issue, a ROM issue or is there something I'm missing here?
froos said:
I am having the same experience. I tried several WM6.1 ROMs and they always drained the battery within 1 day. I am back on Schap's ROM now and I can work for up to 3 days with HSDPA and BT on. About 1 month ago I returned my Hermes because of a defect and HTC replaced the complete inner life of my phone. So this can be compared to a more or less new Hermes.
As a comparison, I recently received a Wizard as a gift and flashed it with the WM6.1 ROM of SNN and believe it or not, the battery lasts for amazing 5 days! And that is with GPRS and BT on!
So, are we talking a major device issue, a ROM issue or is there something I'm missing here?
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I've been on the current Shamanix`s WM6 Ultimate v2 FINAL [SuperStorage] ROM for a while and indeed the battery drains very quick- I've had to schedule Exchange email to be on for 2 hours now but a simple 20-30 min voice call drains the battery by about 30-40%!
I was on Schap's ROM but was waiting for his latest update. Will have to consider another one.
I have also had the same issue as people here with the battery running down very quickly.I did try going back to schaps 4.31 but did not seems to make a difference anymore.Will try going nack to standard rom and then changed to cooked and post if there is any difference.
are u guys serious? 2.5days out of the stock battery?
my battery is a 1300mAH and i get a week and a bit on standby, constant txting wifi, screwing around, i get at least 4 days.
now that i have a 1650mAH i cant even kill it in a day (wifi bluetooth and gsm all going at the same time)
theres a 3000mAH battery coming in the mail, if im gentle with it it should last.... 0.5 months?
riyazhyder said:
Hi ygeller,
me too have similar issues pls visit http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=392831 for details...
I have issues with charging too with my phone never charging full no matter how long i keep the charger on it get's stuck at 80%...
But good news is that I've arrested the drain now i flashed the PDAcorner pr0 V3 yesterday and through the entrire night the drain was less that 1% but it hasn't solved the drain if I use voice/data cause an 11 min call had my battery coming down from 63% to 16% ..
I guess i am gonna try and flash the stock ROM as compumad says..
I guess at least the charging issue is due to faulty ROM ( i hope)..
Thanks guys for input..
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you need to resync your battery circuit, charge your phone till your phone cant charge it anymore, then drain it till you cant even turn it on (no lights at all), charge it up again and it should be reading correctly.
here is more info about Li-ion and Li-Poly charge circuits.
see subheading "Guidelines for prolonging Li-ion battery life"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion
I also had a severe battery drain with several 6.1 ROMS. My main culprit was caused my certain applications not closing properly and running at 50%-100% CPU. The main apps were Internet Explorer, Windows Live, Poutlook, basically network based apps. For some reason the app wouldn't show up as running. It wasn't until I got a new task manager that showed "processes" that I found the culprit. I would make sure all these processes were "killed" and my battery life lasted a lot longer.
I eventually went back to a 6.0 ROM, as I couldn't take all the problems.
pr5owner said:
you need to resync your battery circuit, charge your phone till your phone cant charge it anymore, then drain it till you cant even turn it on (no lights at all), charge it up again and it should be reading correctly.
here is more info about Li-ion and Li-Poly charge circuits.
see subheading "Guidelines for prolonging Li-ion battery life"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion
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Unfortunately, I've done that without planning. I am constantly fully charging the phone - then it drains and dies after a few morning phone calls...
This doesn't help...
OK. I am flashing the ATT ROM to see what gives.
Already it's been a chore. I haven't flashed stock ROMs in quite a while - had to extract the NBH file and use in with a cooked ROM wrapper to get it to flash.
Will report back with results.
ygeller said:
OK. I am flashing the ATT ROM to see what gives.
Already it's been a chore. I haven't flashed stock ROMs in quite a while - had to extract the NBH file and use in with a cooked ROM wrapper to get it to flash.
Will report back with results.
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Have Flashed ATT, then PDA Corner Pro V3. I didn't have much faith in the voodoo of flashing the official ROM to magically repair stuff - and so far I can't say that I've seen much change...
too bad...
ygeller said:
OK. I am flashing the ATT ROM to see what gives.
Already it's been a chore. I haven't flashed stock ROMs in quite a while - had to extract the NBH file and use in with a cooked ROM wrapper to get it to flash.
Will report back with results.
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You put PDA into bootloder mode and the flash, no need to jumpthrough hoops.
Actually the AT&T Official has repaired numerous bad flashes for me, is a lifesaver.
I have been a user of the stock AT&T WM6 Rom for many months. Before that, I had the stock Cingular 8525 WM5 Rom, and many of the cooked WM6 ones, starting with an early Black, a couple of Custel's, Sleuth's, and a few others. I now use personal derivations of the stock AT&T WM6 Rom that I have been cooking up over the past few months.
I have NEVER had good battery life on my 8525, with ANY ROM at all. Left alone, my battery dies after only a few hours. I have learned to live with this, always carrying a second (charged) battery, and I have chargers at home, at work, and in my car, in order to deal with the issue.
I must ask, when others say they get 2 or more DAYS out of a charge with "normal use", please define what "normal use" is for you.
My "normal use" includes checking 4 email boxes, one of them push, one at at 30 minute intervals, and two hourly. I use PocketWeather, which I have doing updates at 30 minute intervals for 4 locations. 1-calc updates monetary exchange rates daily. I make/receive only a couple of phone calls daily (yes, a BIG battery-killer), and I rarely receive text messages. No MMS at all. I utilize Bluetooth devices during my commutes in both directions, only use WiFi at home (another big battery drainer, but since I'm at home, it doesn't matter). I keep the IR port turned off unless I'm actively using it. I am on the internet with my device every chance I get, using the normal AT&T WAP access point with an unlimited plan.
I feel that with the amount of usage I get out of my device (especially Internet and emails), I can accept the poor battery performance.
But I am curious ... those of you who claim much higher numbers for battery life under "normal usage" ... please explain what "normal usage" means to you. I have never seen anything close to the numbers that have been posted by many.
FWIW, my two batteries are: 1 stock 1300mAh, and one is a Boxwave 1350 mAh. Both are well over a year old.
-pvs
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I have been a user of the stock AT&T WM6 Rom for many months...
...I have NEVER had good battery life on my 8525, with ANY ROM at all. Left alone, my battery dies after only a few hours. I have learned to live with this, always carrying a second (charged) battery, and I have chargers at home, at work, and in my car, in order to deal with the issue.
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I'm forced to agree with pvs. I'm in a very similar situation: I use the stock AT&T WM6 ROM, although I've used a couple of other ROMs and Radios before this.
If I set my 8525 to auto-poll my 4 mailboxes every 15-60 minutes, I always notice a definite decrease in battery life. In the beginning, I'd get the "low battery" notification before I even left work late in the afternoon (this is after getting a full charge the night before). In between then and now, I turned off auto-polling. I couldn't get any new mail unless I did a manual send/receive...but my battery life improved dramatically; I could get nearly two full days' usage out of it before having to charge at night.
I was fairly confident it had something to do with that data-connection required to update the mail, and I feel that it's confirmed: 3 days ago, I found a registry edit that turns off the 3G/data connection after being idle so many minutes (I have mine set to 2 mins). I can now auto-poll my boxes, but my battery life has decreased again...not QUITE as bad as before, but I pretty much have to charge it every night, now.
(Additional "normal" usage for me has always included using Bluetooth for a headset and several calls during the day, varying in length...around 30-50 minutes total talk time, if I had to guess.)
Frankly, I'm surprised at the people who say they're able to leave their data connection on all day (even if it's sending no data in certain moments) and see no appreciable battery-drain. This is my second 8525 and second battery, and my experience has remained the same.
I was going to try and find some sort of push EMail solution...but to make matters worse, I've been doing research and unless I'm misunderstanding things, it looks like WM6's version of "Push EMail" requires that "constantly-on" data connection. I'm frustrated, and I'm seriously considering getting a Blackberry.
If someone can come up with some alternative ideas, I'd love to hear them, but...even though I love my 8525...my patience is starting to wear thin with it.
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I'm frustrated, and I'm seriously considering getting a Blackberry.
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If you want to leave your connection on all the time and have a battery for the day and night....Blackberry. My tytn is fun to play with and flash but for my email it's blackberry.
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If you want to leave your connection on all the time and have a battery for the day and night....Blackberry. My tytn is fun to play with and flash but for my email it's blackberry.
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Good grief. Is this the consensus of everyone? I'd hate to give up my 8525, since it has Windows Mobile versions of what I work with, plus some pretty nifty games and apps...but I want a device I can both work AND play with. So far, the 8525 is falling down on the Work/EMail end.
I've dodged the blackberry for so long because of 1) no touchscreen, 2) it lacks the versatility of a true PC (ideally, PCs can be used for work and play; blackberries seem meant primarily for work). Plus, I don't know if the Blackberry's "push" EMail features will work any better with my particular mailboxes (i.e., it may have to constantly "poll" those boxes as well, which may result in similar battery drain).
BTW: It's noon here, after 3-4 calls this morning (around 25 minutes or so), EMailboxes updating (2 at 30 mins, 2 at 60 mins), Bluetooth off, and having read 2 CNN articles (and closing it right after)...my 8525 is at 70% power. X-(
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Hi Everyone,
I thought id share the amazing battery life im having, ive had it going for 48 hours so far and still got 45% of my battery still left, ill tell you all my set up and i wish you can get the same.
Installed LeeDroids rom (1.9a) which is absolutely amazing i must say, i love it.
Got the new radio 32.44.00.32u_5.09.05.30_2.
SetCPU running and have the normal standby on the phone at 642mhz and 245mhz when the screen is off.
I also have a task killer on set to kill most apps when the screen turns off and i have read about androids memory management but it makes me feel better when i run it and i personally think it helps.
Finally, and possibly the most important is an app called AutoKiller that interacts with androids internal memory management system and i have that set to ultimate.
I think thats it, and i have been using the phone averagely, and have turned off wifi and mobile internet and only use it when i need it.
Good luck everyone, hope this is helpful in someway.
It was interesting to read until you said this
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have turned off wifi and mobile internet and only use it when i need it.
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I personally refuse to turn off internet (wifi or mobile, same thing) on my SMARTPHONE. Cmon, that is why I bought it, because of the internet, and the fun things to do on it. If I use it for calls/sms only, I would have gotten something much cheaper.
Anyway, with hard usage my battery lasts for like 20 hours, and that is enough for me. I don't mind connecting it to a charger before I fall asleep, and disconnecting it when I wake up. Still I use the 1GHz CPU and the options the phone has fully
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... have turned off wifi and mobile internet and only use it when i need it.
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I personally refuse to turn off internet (wifi or mobile, same thing) on my SMARTPHONE. Cmon, that is why I bought it...
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I'll have to agree with ljesh on this. If you deprive your smartphone of internet access, you've just turned it into a feature-phone.
But, I think you should turn off WiFi when you're not using it. That's just the smart thing to do...
Is there a battery of the same size with a higher capacity?
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No, there isin't.
Just a quick update i ended up getting 63 hours out of one charge!
And i dont need to read what the weather is every 5 minutes thats the reason i dont generally keep mobile internet on... I just look up at the sky it tells me exactly what i need to know!
Well, I have tried this and wow - what a difference, lol.
I am mostly around WiFi connections all day, so just use that instead for all my syncs. Mobile internet is used when I am out of range for short periods of time.
Thanks for the tip - works wonders.
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1. Turn on Airplane mode all the time and don't wake the device from standby. According to the specs, the device will last up to 340 hours (ie, over 2 weeks).
2. Leave the device completely off. It will be months before your battery completely drains.
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Don't mind me, I'm just joking around.
But seriously, it would be interesting to know the battery life of a device set to your specifications but with mobile internet on. Turning it off, just seems like cheating, similar to how CPU overclock enthusiasts achieve crazy clockspeeds with liquid nitrogen cooling. Sure, you achieved your milestone, but is that really how the device is intended to be used?
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1. Turn on Airplane mode all the time and don't wake the device from standby. According to the specs, the device will last up to 340 hours (ie, over 2 weeks).
2. Leave the device completely off. It will be months before your battery completely drains.
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Don't mind me, I'm just joking around.
But seriously, it would be interesting to know the battery life of a device set to your specifications but with mobile internet on. Turning it off, just seems like cheating, similar to how CPU overclock enthusiasts achieve crazy clockspeeds with liquid nitrogen cooling. Sure, you achieved your milestone, but is that really how the device is intended to be used?
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Why do you count network off as cheating. Why should it be on if you don't need it?
I am leaving network off most of the time, just switch it on when I want to surf or update my calendar/emails. Use Wifi whenever available. And SetCPU to minimize clock speed while the display is off.
Most email come from Softbank Japan thru a MMS type email application. Its a push mail system and you do not need to have network on for receiving it.
With this settings I get up to 24h, depending on who long I travel and read ebooks.
Not my intention to sound antagonistic. "Cheating" may be too strong of a word. Here's what I'm trying to say.
Obviously, it's up to the user to decide how to use the device. But what's also obvious is that the device cannot be fully utilized without an always-on connectivity.
Without an always-on connectivity, a lot of the widgets and applications instantly become useless or crippled.
Sure, not everyone uses widgets or applications that require always-on connectivity. But I'm willing to wager that a majority of the Desire user community utilizes such widgets and applications; so turning off mobile internet is just not an option for these people.
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Not my intention to sound antagonistic. "Cheating" may be too strong of a word. Here's what I'm trying to say.
Obviously, it's up to the user to decide how to use the device. But what's also obvious is that the device cannot be fully utilized without an always-on connectivity.
Without an always-on connectivity, a lot of the widgets and applications instantly become useless or crippled.
Sure, not everyone uses widgets or applications that require always-on connectivity. But I'm willing to wager that a majority of the Desire user community utilizes such widgets and applications; so turning off mobile internet is just not an option for these people.
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I tend to agree.
I need the network to always be on, and so leave it so - though sometimes, I will put the phone into airplane mode overnight if I remember. Generally though I don't as I usually charge overnight anyway.
On Sunday night though, I'd charged the phone during the day and so didn't charge overnight. I used the phone quite heavily during the day, and in the evening watched about 3 hours worth of DivX video via RockPlayer. My phone complained of less than 15% charge after 26 hours, which to me was quite impressive given my usage, and I don't use *any* tweaks such as SetCPU or a task killers (which are placebos anyway).
Personally, if I can get a full day from my phone I'm happy - and I can do that with the Desire without having to do anything.
Regards,
Dave
after updating my titan to 8107 the thing that manifested itself was the drastic reduction in battery life.i was getting 2 days easy out of the battery. tried shutting off wifi,bluetooth locations etc to no avail.reset etc nothing worked.after a full recharge i unplugged the phone tonight and it said 15 hours life left on a 100% battery.restored the phone to 7740 and immediately with the wifi back on etc i had 1 day 13 hours battery life left.the two things i noticed that i can do on 7740 i can't do on 8107 is turn off 3g and i live in an area of no 3g and the find my phone is disconected so i'll be sticking with 7740.
I am on unofficial 8107 pushed update. No issues as mentioned above. Easily at 25-27 hours with auto screen brightness and data sync.
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I appreciate you probably live in a 3g area which means your phone is not constantly looking for something that isn't there, but where I am in rural Scotland I only have 2g but atleast I now get 48hrs battery life again.
Do a hard reset. I have a Quantum, and after Mango the battery life was horrid. However last week I did a hard reset, and I'm back to showing 1 day 4 hours, etc on a full charge. And can now generally get through a day without having to charge my phone at work.
i noticed a reduction on battery too,mine says 18 hours just unplugged from fully charged, i'll try hard reset thing
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after hard reset it says 1 day and 7 hours battery!! I hope it's true
do you guys realize that the time is just an average based on your use? If you hard reset, it gets reset. Doesn't effect how long it will last though. If you use your phone and play lots of games the 1st day and drain it, it will say 11 hours next time you charge it. But if you don't use it much the next it will say 13 or 14. it could last 18 or 2 days. It is showing what the estimated average based on your usage will be. Mine says 14 hours. Sometimes during the day it drops to 9 if i play a few games. then after it sits for a few hours it may say 17. After about 3 weeks or so though it gives you a true average based on how you usually use the phone.
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do you guys realize that the time is just an average based on your use? If you hard reset, it gets reset. Doesn't effect how long it will last though. If you use your phone and play lots of games the 1st day and drain it, it will say 11 hours next time you charge it. But if you don't use it much the next it will say 13 or 14. it could last 18 or 2 days. It is showing what the estimated average based on your usage will be. Mine says 14 hours. Sometimes during the day it drops to 9 if i play a few games. then after it sits for a few hours it may say 17. After about 3 weeks or so though it gives you a true average based on how you usually use the phone.
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Source?
I know if you're running music or streaming and you check it, the number changes. I figured it was based on what is in the memory or based on what's been happening just before you checked.
I do know that since my hard reset I'm getting longer battery life. Feels like 30% more.
I don't understand why they would compute all these useage averages, instead of just a true estimate as to how much power is left. What would be the benefit?
I always had the impression that the number of remaining hours is true if I continue to use the phone as I am doing right now. So when I am playing a game and it says 2 hours remaining and I stop playing the game and lock the screen, after two hours the phone will still have battery left etc.
Instead of a hard reset you can also try to run your battery completly empty and then charge it again to 100% to recalibrate it. I think recalibration of the battery has been helpful in the past after updates.
HTC Titan, updated from 7740 to 8107. I averaged 1 day of battery life with 7740, ever since updating and hard resetting, I now average 2.5 days. The problem is not with 8107, the problem is with your device stevov.
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HTC Titan, updated from 7740 to 8107. I averaged 1 day of battery life with 7740, ever since updating and hard resetting, I now average 2.5 days. The problem is not with 8107, the problem is with your device stevov.
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sorry mate as i explained on the other thread he device works fine.8107 is eating the battery due to the settings restrictions. phone works sweet as on 7740 and has never displayed any of the problems that the us titans have.phone works brilliant on 8107 also. just eats the battery. just incase you missed it i don't get 3g or edge where i am.
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sorry mate as i explained on the other thread he device works fine.8107 is eating the battery due to the settings restrictions. phone works sweet as on 7740 and has never displayed any of the problems that the us titans have.phone works brilliant on 8107 also. just eats the battery. just incase you missed it i don't get 3g or edge where i am.
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OK let's just continue this here (lol)
Your real issue is that you need to be able to turn off 3G, correct? It's 3G searching for a signal that kills your battery, not 8107. If your 3G toggle is missing after you update, see if you can use provxml on your device and apply the reg tweak for showing the 3G toggle option, then turn 3G off.
Here's the thread with the registry tweaks
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907971&highlight=3g+toggle
8107 should not cause any battery issues. it just a minor, very minor update..
Its not like going form nodo to mango
thanks for the replies guys. as someone who was just getting to grips with reg edit on my touchpro2 from what i've seen so far reg edit on 7.5 is not quite the same. i'm content in my own mind as to the cause and i'm happy with 7740.maybe the issue will get addressed down the line.
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thanks for the replies guys. as someone who was just getting to grips with reg edit on my touchpro2 from what i've seen so far reg edit on 7.5 is not quite the same. i'm content in my own mind as to the cause and i'm happy with 7740.maybe the issue will get addressed down the line.
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Stevov mate, the issue isn't with 8107. If your phone, any phone, any OS, any update - is going to keep looking for 3g or keep jumping between 2g/3g it keeps radio active, using up battery. You either need to just choose 2g, if you can or move to a 3g area (that's not happening, is it?). But if 7740 makes that radio a little calmer for you, perhaps its a placebo effect?
aye Drupad, Wee Bear over on wpcentral says i should move too.phone is happily running on 2g 12 hours off the charger everything on and 82% battery left.if there was just something like skyfire or operamini for browsing i would be a happy man but from what i hear thats not till ie10.in a world of 3 and 4g i live in 2g
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do you guys realize that the time is just an average based on your use? .
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He is right. I don't have a source but I've followed my battery status very carefully and came to the same conclusion. I have a friend with an LG C900 and he doesn't use data connection (which is what drains battery the most) and his estimated battery is 4 days and a few hours.
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Yeah I haven't found documentation on this but as said above, if you follow your battery status you will see. Use the phone hard, check battery, it will say left. Let it sit for an hour, and it will say more. Now as the e
Weeks do by it will average out and not fluctuate as much. ( mine now usually says 13-14 hours on work days and 17 on weekends)
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Yeah I haven't found documentation on this but as said above, if you follow your battery status you will see. Use the phone hard, check battery, it will say left. Let it sit for an hour, and it will say more. Now as the e
Weeks do by it will average out and not fluctuate as much. ( mine now usually says 13-14 hours on work days and 17 on weekends)
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Interesting. I'm gonna have to check that out. But that's kind of odd, shouldn't it be the reverse? So like if you used your phone hard shouldn't it be optimizing itself so that you'll have more reserve versus the days you use the phone less?
hello everyone
I'll be buying a dual-sim G4 either today or tomorrow. The issue is that I'll only be given 7 days checking and replacement warranty which is worrisome since the product price is quite high. So, I'll need all your inputs on how can I best check the product for any issues so I may return/exchange it within the short warranty period. Also, since I'll be leaving for a job outside my country within 2-3 weeks, I need to make sure everything is in working order as I'll be at a place where there would be no repair shops etc.
please, can someone kindly help me with this...
You cannot check for issues while installing any app i believe. Yes, you can install heavy games and play them, use The phone as much as you can to check about it.
Do remember to check volume buttons properly, camera and OIS working fine or not, any kind of lag report it here. If its common, you are good to go
Check the multitouch test using antutu benchmark.
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Go to 277634#*# dialer mode and go to lcd test under svc menu.
Then go to device test> MT> then it will boot into mini os where you will get plenty of tests available to test g4.
-got the cellfone yesterday, two issues till now. battery seems to be draining very fast + the screen gets hot.
-antutu score is 62164
-have already taken pictures and videos from it - camera result seems ok, any idea how can I check it extensively? not too sure how to use the manual function :S
Can you please elaborate? Were you on 4G or 3G? How many hours phone was used. What all things you did (heavy games or light games? too much calls? GPS settings? Wifi and 3G/4G usage). Apart from it, how was the cell reception? Low cell network reception leads to heavy battery drain. Also, I have noticed heavy battery drain on dual SIM.
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-got the cellfone yesterday, two issues till now. battery seems to be draining very fast + the screen gets hot.
-antutu score is 62164
-have already taken pictures and videos from it - camera result seems ok, any idea how can I check it extensively? not too sure how to use the manual function :S
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Can you please elaborate? Were you on 4G or 3G? How many hours phone was used. What all things you did (heavy games or light games? too much calls? GPS settings? Wifi and 3G/4G usage). Apart from it, how was the cell reception? Low cell network reception leads to heavy battery drain. Also, I have noticed heavy battery drain on dual SIM.
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hi... I noticed that when I use the camera app the phone heats up, so much that its hard to make a call with it. Games, well..haven't install any yet - not much into games but could you please recommend a few so I can check my phone... wifi was ON...
am not really sure how to check the phone extensively, only 2 days left of 7 days warranty...and I don't know what or how to check it since am also in too much pain because of root canal of my 7 teeth :crying:
take your money back and wait for g5 or other new generation phones.
was playing with the camera today, when using flash its dead-slow and the result is s***. even my nokia 808 is faster when used with flash.