So the International unlocked version got their Jelly Bean update today. Man! Why doesn't Sammy hire some of these devs on here to speed up the freaking process!!
Edit: Sorry Sammy its not your fault its the freaking carriers!! Bastards!!! thanks Andy!
Edit again: OK Sammy im putting you back in the crap house!!! bastards!!! thanks intub8!
White Hot! GS3.
blame the carriers.
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blame the carriers.
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Its not Sammy...definitely the money grubbing carriers in the US...its pathetic
Oh I see thanks for sharing! Will change OP freaking carriers!!!! Lol.....
White Hot! GS3.
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Samsung is not innocent. Blame them also. Samsung can easily say no to the major carriers and push the update to us through kies. We will not get the update until 30-60 days after the next flagship device from att. All of the iphone update come directly from apple. The carriers have no say.
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Samsung is not innocent. Blame them also. Samsung can easily say no to the major carriers and push the update to us through kies. We will not get the update until 30-60 days after the next flagship device from att. All of the iphone update come directly from apple. The carriers have no say.
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Ditto. Another post that was moved to the Q&A section mentioned that there are already three AT&T leaks in existence. AT&T is probably too busy ensuring that their bloatware is compatible with the ROMs, I mean, testing them.
I honestly don't understand how Samsung, the biggest mobile phone producer in the world, allows carriers to call the shots. As you've mentioned, Apple doesn't allow the carriers to have any input in OS updates. Samsung has just as much clout - what's stopping them from doing the same?
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Ditto. Another post that was moved to the Q&A section mentioned that there are already three AT&T leaks in existence. AT&T is probably too busy ensuring that their bloatware is compatible with the ROMs, I mean, testing them.
I honestly don't understand how Samsung, the biggest mobile phone producer in the world, allows carriers to call the shots. As you've mentioned, Apple doesn't allow the carriers to have any input in OS updates. Samsung has just as much clout - what's stopping them from doing the same?
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All Samsung cares about is profit margins. Where as Apple is also really strict with what goes into their phones. Flame away, but that's the truth.
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Ditto. Another post that was moved to the Q&A section mentioned that there are already three AT&T leaks in existence. AT&T is probably too busy ensuring that their bloatware is compatible with the ROMs, I mean, testing them.
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Three leaks? I haven't seen them for download anywhere.
This is getting ridiculous.
just use a custom rom!
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All Samsung cares about is profit margins. Where as Apple is also really strict with what goes into their phones. Flame away, but that's the truth.
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And I suppose Apple doesn't care about profit margins?
In all honesty, I can't say I disagree. Apple pretty much gave the carriers the finger by strictly controlling what's included in the updates and their release timeline. My biggest frustration with Android is the complete lack of uniformity when it comes to keeping it up to date. With that being said, I would sooner switch to Windows than iOS.
With regards to custom ROMs....not really my thing anymore. There is always something that doesn't function properly, which is why I'd rather have the official release. I used to be a flashaholic when I had the Vibrant and the MT4G, even the Sensation (to some extent). Nowadays, I tend to favor the official releases, even if it's a leak.
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All Samsung cares about is profit margins. Where as Apple is also really strict with what goes into their phones. Flame away, but that's the truth.
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Wut? Samsung has slimmer margins than Apple does. By a LONG shot.
Also, Apple doesn't let carriers control updates, but the carriers do significantly control what is going in to each update (primarily in terms of what features are enabled for use when). They still don't have a gold paved road.
That being said, I do wish Samsung would force the carriers to a better update schedule. I wouldn't care if it was consistently a month after the international version. That would be better than what we have now.
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I spoke to an ATT rep on chat and they said that they were the ones holding up the release. Doesn't seem like they care what with the disabling of google wallet as well.
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With regards to custom ROMs....not really my thing anymore. There is always something that doesn't function properly, which is why I'd rather have the official release. I used to be a flashaholic when I had the Vibrant and the MT4G, even the Sensation (to some extent). Nowadays, I tend to favor the official releases, even if it's a leak.
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I kinda agree as I did the same with my S1 i9000 : flashed ROMs and kernels onto it on a weekly basis for nearly 1½ year.
Now that I have my S3, I just don't feel like that anymore as I :
- Appreciate the quality and stability of Samsung's releases
- Enjoy using the best camera app there is
- Know that the phone will eventually be updated to an even better release
However, the day I'll be told by Samsung that my S3 will no longer be elligible to upgrades, just watch me go back to my custom ROMs flashing habits! héhéhé
As for the bloatware ... root and any decent file explorer can help you get rid of it!
I thought most people knew by now that only Official Google devices get (somewhat) prompt updates. I didn't buy my SIII based on what it was going to get, I bought it based on what it already had. IMO as long as they update the phone in a relatively timely manner (within 6 months I'd say) then I am content - even then I wouldn't be too upset. I would just flash something myself.
I do the same. Take official firmware and basically make my own custom rom.
That way I have control about what is and isnt done.
I root it..
remove bloatware myself with root explorer (after copying everything I am about to remove to my external sd for safe keeping)
keep copies of the build.prop, framework-res systemui etc.
I modify the systemui for my own icons etc.
Install other modes etc.
As for leaks the only leak I know off on AT&T based is LH1 which I am running.
I am not running the latest lh9 as lh1 has everything that lh9 has but doesnt have nfc screwed up so wallet still works with it.
I am running the lh9 modem.
By the time the S3 will become ineligible for updates, I will have moved on to my next phone. Back in 2011, Google set up an Android update alliance, where many manufacturers and U.S.-based carriers promised that new Android phones would receive timely OS updates for 18 months after launch. The only timely thing about this promise was the death of this alliance. After Jellybean, I give the S3 one more update before Samsung declares it non-upgradeable. It's unfortunate, but that's just the nature of the beast.
I'm well aware that only official Google devices (Nexus) get timely updates. This is the only reason why I held on to my Galaxy Nexus after buying the S3. I was well aware that it'll be a loooooooooong time before the S3 sees an update, so I kept the Nexus to satisfy my cravings for latest Android versions.
http://phandroid.com/2012/10/24/sprints-samsung-galaxy-s3-jelly-bean-rollout-starts-october-25th/
Funny how I left Sprint and my S3 to come to AT&T and get an S3. Surely we won't be too much further behind if Sprint is releasing it? Maybe? Bueller?
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http://phandroid.com/2012/10/24/sprints-samsung-galaxy-s3-jelly-bean-rollout-starts-october-25th/
Funny how I left Sprint and my S3 to come to AT&T and get an S3. Surely we won't be too much further behind if Sprint is releasing it? Maybe? Bueller?
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Good find! When the initial Samsung statement regarding the U.S. S3 variants being updated to Jellybean "in the coming months" was issued, it specifically mentioned "all carriers except for Sprint". Although the arrival of the Sprint update may signal that ours are just around the corner, I'm not holding my breath.
I just want to point out that Apple doesn't play by the same ruleset as Android OEM's do when it comes to releasing updates. Part of the original contract with AT&T was to prevent AT&T from having any say in Apple's updates and it kind of just kept going with the other carriers since they wanted the phone to sell so dearly.
Android OEM's have no such stipulation, Nexus devices not counting of course.
Saw on another site that AT&T wont see an update till January.
Of course that is just word of mouth, so take it for what you will.
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is there a beta of android 4.0 for R800x i here the beta for 4.0 is out in beta now but is there one for the R800x?
No. That's why people are still skeptical that Verizon is even working on it
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No. That's why people are still skeptical that Verizon is even working on it
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dos any one on here no if Verizon is working on it????????
Snow755 said:
dos any one on here no if Verizon is working on it????????
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Again, no... like I just said people don't know about Verizon's progress
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dos any one on here no if Verizon is working on it????????
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How about you wait until the official release for the R800i/a/at is released, then ask Verizon
i can only hope and pray that verizon has it working...i'm not holding my breath though, figure it will be sometime in may before we hear anything from big red
If I am not mistaken, Verizon has pretty much told us to go get bent. They will not be doing any more updates for the r800x.
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If I am not mistaken, Verizon has pretty much told us to go get bent. They will not be doing any more updates for the r800x.
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I was at the Verizon store last night and they had 4 xperia plays on display. Had not been in there in months and was surprised to see they still had it........ not saying that due to this they will make the update. But just saying surprised they still offer it as they obviously couldn't give a sh!t about this device (or any of their devices in general)
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I was at the Verizon store last night and they had 4 xperia plays on display. Had not been in there in months and was surprised to see they still had it........ not saying that due to this they will make the update. But just saying surprised they still offer it as they obviously couldn't give a sh!t about this device (or any of their devices in general)
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Since when has VZW given a **** about _ANY_ of their phones after a period of 2 months of launch? Seriously 95% of the time their advice is Full Reset, Exchange the handset for a same-model refurb, or buy a new shiny handset. They aren't their to support any of these devices, they are there to make money shoveling as many devices in as many brackets as possible. This is why they have these periods of exclusivity for launches. Which is why the Galaxy Nexus got delayed for about 1-2 months on VZW versus _ALL OTHER LAUNCH NETWORKS WORLDWIDE_.
I don't expect VZW to ever put out an update to r800x. We are stuck on 2.3.3, which breaks the compatability for any purchased PS games bought on the market. On top of that, they don't support purchases that are made through their crappy software store (VZWapps) and often charge premium prices for apps that are free on Market. They hijacked the normal Xperia Launcher to only work with VZWapps, and blocked out the functionality of numerous other things (unless you root and modify numerous things).
VZW doesn't care anything but about making money off of you. If any of them are telling you otherwise, it is just PR speak that they are told to say.
(Yes I'm a cynical, bitter person, but I still like VZW better than AT&T)
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Since when has VZW given a **** about _ANY_ of their phones after a period of 2 months of launch? Seriously 95% of the time their advice is Full Reset, Exchange the handset for a same-model refurb, or buy a new shiny handset. They aren't their to support any of these devices, they are there to make money shoveling as many devices in as many brackets as possible. This is why they have these periods of exclusivity for launches. Which is why the Galaxy Nexus got delayed for about 1-2 months on VZW versus _ALL OTHER LAUNCH NETWORKS WORLDWIDE_.
I don't expect VZW to ever put out an update to r800x. We are stuck on 2.3.3, which breaks the compatability for any purchased PS games bought on the market. On top of that, they don't support purchases that are made through their crappy software store (VZWapps) and often charge premium prices for apps that are free on Market. They hijacked the normal Xperia Launcher to only work with VZWapps, and blocked out the functionality of numerous other things (unless you root and modify numerous things).
VZW doesn't care anything but about making money off of you. If any of them are telling you otherwise, it is just PR speak that they are told to say.
(Yes I'm a cynical, bitter person, but I still like VZW better than AT&T)
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I was implying, maybe didnt word it very well, but I was implying they do not give a monkeys butt about their phones unless its shiny and new. I agree with you. I have been with VZ for a year and I am not happy with them. In another year I will jump ship. Also, I rooted my phone and deleted all the Vcast apps, rebooted and now the android market shows up in the games laumcher instead of the Vcast.... hate vcast
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Since when has VZW given a **** about _ANY_ of their phones after a period of 2 months of launch? Seriously 95% of the time their advice is Full Reset, Exchange the handset for a same-model refurb, or buy a new shiny handset. They aren't their to support any of these devices, they are there to make money shoveling as many devices in as many brackets as possible. This is why they have these periods of exclusivity for launches. Which is why the Galaxy Nexus got delayed for about 1-2 months on VZW versus _ALL OTHER LAUNCH NETWORKS WORLDWIDE_.
I don't expect VZW to ever put out an update to r800x. We are stuck on 2.3.3, which breaks the compatability for any purchased PS games bought on the market. On top of that, they don't support purchases that are made through their crappy software store (VZWapps) and often charge premium prices for apps that are free on Market. They hijacked the normal Xperia Launcher to only work with VZWapps, and blocked out the functionality of numerous other things (unless you root and modify numerous things).
VZW doesn't care anything but about making money off of you. If any of them are telling you otherwise, it is just PR speak that they are told to say.
(Yes I'm a cynical, bitter person, but I still like VZW better than AT&T)
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Ah, my friend, there is nothing bitter about the truth.
No, but I heard that SE is working on a separate release of 4.0 just for R8800x. Will Verizon roll it out? Hell no.
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No, but I heard that SE is working on a separate release of 4.0 just for R8800x. Will Verizon roll it out? Hell no.
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Couldn't they just finish that up and release a compatible *.ftf file for those interested? Instead of just tossing out all that work?
You all do realize that it is still only February, right? Android 4.0 release date was slated for a "POSSIBLE" release sometime in March or April. How about waiting until the end of April and seeing how that goes for the other models of the Play before you start complaining. In fact, in view of Verizon's slowness to adopt new updates, I wouldn't lose hope until the end of 2012.
If you have the luxury of an unlocked bootloader, I suggest using CM7.2 from FreeXperia. They are currently working on porting 4.0 to the R800 family, and it's going well from what I've heard.
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Couldn't they just finish that up and release a compatible *.ftf file for those interested? Instead of just tossing out all that work?
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We are talking about Verizon here. They don't approve anything until it's perfect. Don't see why they couldn't release a beta, and then do updates.
Verizon... and perfect releases? Dude, what have you been smokin'? I've had 4 Androids, a Blackberry and I can't even remember how many "feature phones"... and none of them could EVER qualify as perfect, no matter how many updates they released. The Play has been the closest, and it's not perfect by any means.
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Verizon... and perfect releases? Dude, what have you been smokin'? I've had 4 Androids, a Blackberry and I can't even remember how many "feature phones"... and none of them could EVER qualify as perfect, no matter how many updates they released. The Play has been the closest, and it's not perfect by any means.
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I think he means perfect by "VZW stardards" (bloated and neutered to virtually unusable proportions).
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I've been with Verizon since 2007 & they haven't supported any phone beyond release. They've pissed me off thoroughly with the lack of releases for the Samsung Fascinate (gone due to piss poor performance) & the R800x. I hate this whole dodgy BS that seems to keep perpetuating beyond the normal. Next phone I get will probably be a flagship phone, since I know that it will get huge support from the dev community. This is completely insane & I'm getting pissed off with the general lack of community support (with a few exceptions but not many like the GSM models) for the R800x since VZW has abandoned us as well.
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I've been with Verizon since 2007 & they haven't supported any phone beyond release. They've pissed me off thoroughly with the lack of releases for the Samsung Fascinate (gone due to piss poor performance) & the R800x. I hate this whole dodgy BS that seems to keep perpetuating beyond the normal. Next phone I get will probably be a flagship phone, since I know that it will get huge support from the dev community. This is completely insane & I'm getting pissed off with the general lack of community support (with a few exceptions but not many like the GSM models) for the R800x since VZW has abandoned us as well.
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Remember that the biggest reason that this phone didn't sell well was the lack of support in the first place. That means that there are fewer of our phones in use than a lot of others, and we have few dev's because of that.
I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
I don't know if a radio fix is coming with the next OTA update
I don't knonw when (if) I'll see an update for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus - I'm pretty sure I will but who is to say 100% other than Verizon or Android - tons of rumors like the 4.04 update and the 4.05 update etc but nothing concrete.
I suppose I'm kind of *****in but I'm also pretty sure they could make ALL of their clients happier if they released SOME info. E.g. a radio fix is in the works... or we'll have 4.04 for Verizon customers within 2 months - anything is better than nothing even if they don't' go into tremendous specfics.
Just my opinion of course.
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I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
I don't know if a radio fix is coming with the next OTA update
I don't knonw when (if) I'll see an update for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus - I'm pretty sure I will but who is to say 100% other than Verizon or Android - tons of rumors like the 4.04 update and the 4.05 update etc but nothing concrete.
I suppose I'm kind of *****in but I'm also pretty sure they could make ALL of their clients happier if they released SOME info. E.g. a radio fix is in the works... or we'll have 4.04 for Verizon customers within 2 months - anything is better than nothing even if they don't' go into tremendous specfics.
Just my opinion of course.
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We can always wish, but it has never been that way for any other device, so why would it change now?
Ive often wondered why they cant give us generic montly statements or something. Put an intern on it or something. 5 min of time once a month from an intern would be so easy.
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I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
I don't know if a radio fix is coming with the next OTA update
I don't knonw when (if) I'll see an update for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus - I'm pretty sure I will but who is to say 100% other than Verizon or Android - tons of rumors like the 4.04 update and the 4.05 update etc but nothing concrete.
I suppose I'm kind of *****in but I'm also pretty sure they could make ALL of their clients happier if they released SOME info. E.g. a radio fix is in the works... or we'll have 4.04 for Verizon customers within 2 months - anything is better than nothing even if they don't' go into tremendous specfics.
Just my opinion of course.
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I feel the same way.
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Ive often wondered why they cant give us generic montly statements or something. Put an intern on it or something. 5 min of time once a month from an intern would be so easy.
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That would be fantastic. Even if it said this month - update coming in June - that would be better than me hoping I might find a rumor that might seem credible. Then I'd know where to get genuine news relating to my device on MY carrier.
I am a looong time nexus user and I dont wish this anymore because I know it wont happend. Google works this way.
The only more or less "sure" thing is that when they say that it will be released in a couple of week is because it is already deployed in most employees devices for a long test and it will in fact be released in 2-3 weeks.
Google works this way because they don't have a ETA for when things are complete.
That's like saying telling CyanogenMod that you want more communication between them and the users so that they can post a timeline on when RC1/RC2 will be complete etc.
Things are just done when they're done.
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Ive often wondered why they cant give us generic montly statements or something. Put an intern on it or something. 5 min of time once a month from an intern would be so easy.
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Because...when something goes wrong, and they do not make their timeline, people would throw a fit, even more than they do now.
As others have mentioned, expecting any sort of ETA is completely unreasonable.
But honestly, this whole upgrade experience has been pretty underwhelming for two reasons: lack of communication and very slow speed. The volume bug -- a completely show-stopping bug -- took two weeks for a fix. I highly doubt it would take Apple that long to issue a software fix for such a serious bug. Sorry to bring Apple into the discussion, but it's true.
Not to mention that it's taken Google FIVE months to get NFC to be fully functional...
At the end of the day, having relatively quick updates of stock Android will probably keep me with Nexus devices, but an advertised and guaranteed monthly status update? That would be a killer USP. The silence between 4.0.2 and 4.0.4 was absolutely terrible.
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I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
I don't know if a radio fix is coming with the next OTA update
I don't knonw when (if) I'll see an update for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus - I'm pretty sure I will but who is to say 100% other than Verizon or Android - tons of rumors like the 4.04 update and the 4.05 update etc but nothing concrete.
I suppose I'm kind of *****in but I'm also pretty sure they could make ALL of their clients happier if they released SOME info. E.g. a radio fix is in the works... or we'll have 4.04 for Verizon customers within 2 months - anything is better than nothing even if they don't' go into tremendous specfics.
Just my opinion of course.
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Yes it sounds great, but it would just make things worse.
People would be exponentially more angry if they gave progress reports and they didn't go where people wanted. They'd complain even more because they'd know it wasn't fixing the way they wanted it to be fixed. And as soon as they promise a timetable and are unable to deliver, all hell would break loose. Either that, or they give a timetable too far in the future to keep from hurting themselves, and people complain the timetable is too far out.
Google and Verizon aren't just sitting on their asses doing nothing. They're working. Its downright insulting saying that Google isn't working hard on these updates. Just be patient ffs.
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Yes it sounds great, but it would just make things worse.
People would be exponentially more angry if they gave progress reports and they didn't go where people wanted. They'd complain even more because they'd know it wasn't fixing the way they wanted it to be fixed. And as soon as they promise a timetable and are unable to deliver, all hell would break loose. Either that, or they give a timetable too far in the future to keep from hurting themselves, and people complain the timetable is too far out.
Google and Verizon aren't just sitting on their asses doing nothing. They're working. Its downright insulting saying that Google isn't working hard on these updates. Just be patient ffs.
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Agreed. Also with Google (or the manufacturer doing updates) it has to be approved by the carrier UNLESS you're using the GSM model of Galaxy Nexus which is independent of any carrier.
This is from a news article I read yesterday,
“HTC has delivered a ROM to us however it is still having issues the reason that other sensation types have the update without issue and ours did not come out that way is because every ROM must be adapted to the hardware of the device because we use a different radio than other providers and also have applications such as wifi calling it also has to be compatible with those. What the HTC rep told you is most likely correct because once a ROM is delivered we have 2 weeks to test it and then approve it or send it back they then have 4 weeks to fix the bugs and return it back to us, where we are exactly in that process I do not know but that is how a ROM is delivered to the customer.
The original ROM was not delivered to us in November, we started testing it just recently but I think it has been longer than 2 weeks so at this point HTC most likely has the ball.
You bought a phone and it has been announced that you are getting ICS you have every right to know what’s going on with it and when you can see these awesome features. I did go into a lot of detail about how a ROM gets to the end user (you guys) but that wasn’t to point fingers only so you would have a better understanding of why you don’t have it yet, the bottom line is the Sensation has T-Mobile’s and HTC’s name all over it and both companies want to make you proud to be a Sensation owner so we are working as fast as we can to deliver it but also want to make sure that it stands up to your expectations.”
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tl;dr it says that, the ROM that HTC made didn't meet T-Mobile's expectations and has to be fixed by HTC... then sent to T-Mobile to test the ROM equalizing MORE delay
I know OP has Verizon, but that's kind of your fault for using Verizon. We all know how it is when it comes to Verizon and keeping a tight control over their phones. I personally don't consider Galaxy Nexus (LTE) to be a "Nexus" device. It comes bloated with VZW apps, Verizon has to approve the update by Google, Factory images are no longer uploaded, etc.
Kind of off-topic but I'd love to see the idea of Google buying T-Mobile USA from Deutsche Telekom (owners of T-Mobile USA) then we would never have to worry about carriers trying to keep a tight grip on their phones. Not to mention then tight integration between Google services such as Google Voice would be tightly integrated between the carrier and Google services. Just a dream of mines.
Oh lord. Not another 'The Verizon Nexus is not a Nexus device' comment.
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Because...when something goes wrong, and they do not make their timeline, people would throw a fit, even more than they do now.
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But I'm not asking for an eta or timeline. Just something like "here's what we're doing this month, or even this quarter."
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Oh lord. Not another 'The Verizon Nexus is not a Nexus device' comment.
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Yea, everyone knows true Nexus devices only come with half the storage space and only on less desirable carriers.
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Yea, everyone knows true Nexus devices only come with half the storage space and only on less desirable carriers.
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Ah, my bad
I'm gonna guess the OTA will come with the white 16 gig version on April 5th, and that the white Gnexs will come with 4.0.5 loaded. Just a hunch. The rumors have been early April, so on Thursday or that weekend is my guess.
Well, I don't know about everyone else, but my "fake" Nexus has had 4.0.4 for a long time now. I've seen 2 updates since I bought my Nexus (fairly early after release). Not EVERY update comes via OTA. The Nexus line has ALWAYS been like this. At any rate, my 3 month old "fake and unsupported" Nexus has already seen more updates than my Vibrant ever did.
As far as GSM users complaining over updates, shut up. Your phones didn't need the updates that Google implemented for the CDMA version. I don't want fixes for a phone that isn't mine. I don't want Google releasing something that isn't ready. Radio issues are up to Samsung and the carrier, not Google. Stop whining about Google. Stop thinking Google is the hold up. Google isn't the hold up. Samsung is the hold up. If you have a CDMA version, blame Samsung and Verizon. If you're GSM, place the blame where it largely belongs, on Samsung.
For some reason 80% of people on this forum seem to think that Nexus means that you get an update every month or something like that. Like we should be on 4.1.7 by now or something like that. It's the most insanely retarded community I think I've ever seen in my life.
As a member of the choir and a Verizon customer for12 years
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Keep preaching.
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Verizon is a less-desirable carrier for me. Just sayin'.
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I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
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and since when do you know about iphone updates before release? Apple is the most secretive tech company ever. They only comment on issues when they get really out of hand and media goes all over it (like the recent address book privacy issues or the better known antennagate).
iOS does have private betas though, which is kinda the equivalent of aosp for android in terms of release schedules. aosp 4.0.4 >>> 8 months >>> oem 4.0.4 updates
so this has been a terrible issue with samsung since the galaxy s 1 days... im sick and tired of slow updates.. whats your thoughts on this ? will it change your mind on what phone to get next?
http://www.androidauthority.com/u-s-galaxy-s3-jelly-bean-update-released-coming-months-123557/
HRodMusic said:
so this has been a terrible issue with samsung since the galaxy s 1 days... im sick and tired of slow updates.. whats your thoughts on this ? will it change your mind on what phone to get next?
http://www.androidauthority.com/u-s-galaxy-s3-jelly-bean-update-released-coming-months-123557/
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IMO, It really doesn't matter! I have used JB and ICS on my phone, and other than Google Now, I don't see the need to update to JB.
I look at it like this... the standard consumer is not rooted. The OEM and carrier have to smooth out bugs, and make the transition from ICS -> JB a seemless integration. This makes for a better customer experience.
Thats the business man... why release a sub par product and have thousands of support tickets for small minor issues.
From your sig, you're running JB already.
Pretty depressing if you ask me. God if the new nexus phone wasn't being made by LG I'd probably be all over that thing at this point.
It will have 4.2 before we even get 4.1
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Telus' S3 will get JB before the end of November, so I'm thinking we should be very close by.
Full application of project butter in an official release of jb will be worth it. Only reason my nexus is still stock is that the only rom on the s3 that comes close to matching its fluidity, for me at least, is tasks aokp. It's night, and day. Slow rollouts of software are just one of those burdens of this era in development. Fortunately, the software is beginning to be more, and more worth it. Someday you'll lecture your grandkids on how we didn't have all this fancy "cognitive request firmware updates, and 5tb/second data speeds" lol
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jbizz said:
IMO, It really doesn't matter! I have used JB and ICS on my phone, and other than Google Now, I don't see the need to update to JB.
I look at it like this... the standard consumer is not rooted. The OEM and carrier have to smooth out bugs, and make the transition from ICS -> JB a seemless integration. This makes for a better customer experience.
Thats the business man... why release a sub par product and have thousands of support tickets for small minor issues.
From your sig, you're running JB already.
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i get what you mean man, but its seriously been 5 months, dont you think we could of had an updated by then? how long does it really take to release an update..
HRodMusic said:
i get what you mean man, but its seriously been 5 months, dont you think we could of had an updated by then? how long does it really take to release an update..
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*shrugs* there was an update from 4.0.2 to 4.0.4
I know what you're saying tho... I always look at devs like the CM team who have already put out updates way before the OEM and think... how come a billion dollar company is so slow?
I wish carriers would allow users to do soak tests and **** before release to send bug reports and stuff.
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By the time we even get Android 4.1, Android 4.2 will already be out in the market.
First, 4.2 will not be key lime pie.
Second, its not Samsungs fault, its the carriers.
And being the carriers fault - you have to wonder. Do they each only have like 2 people working on the Updates...or wtf. lol
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I know what you're saying tho... I always look at devs like the CM team who have already put out updates way before the OEM and think... how come a billion dollar company is so slow?
I wish carriers would allow users to do soak tests and **** before release to send bug reports and stuff.
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Because when there is a bug in CM, they can go *shrug*, we'll add it to the known issues list, like the bluetooth audio not working right. When there is a bug in a carrier supplied ROM, think of all the people that are going to want to call AT&T and be like 'Hey this isn't working, FIX IT!'. That costs money to pay the customer service people and it costs money from a PR point of view.
The carriers strive to make things as bug free as possible (which, is laughable considering some of the updates some carriers have pushed out, or even the state of a phone at release *cough*G2x*cough*). If they don't do super extensive testing on everything BEFORE the release, they're going to have to do the same testing AFTER the release, but after it costs them money in customer service and PR image.
It sucks that another manufacturer/carrier is delaying the update. Do we buy a phone on the promise/hope we will see the next update? I don't. "Why am I not getting update XX" seems to be a common complaint. I came from the Atrix 2. Motorola promissed ICS and an unlockable bootloader. The phone is now borderline if not already end of life with At&t and is just getting the ICS update and still a locked bootloader. I bought my GSIII with the thought "cool I will get JB" but didn't care when. With all of the leaks available, if you want JB, you can get it. Seeing some of the bugs in the leaks, do you really want that to be your update? If you got the update and had these bugs, thered posts of "how could they release this buggy version?" Don't get me wrong, I would like to see manufactures and carriers stand by their word, but I realize there are more important things to worry about than why my update is delayed or not getting it. If you want a phone that guarantees you'll see an update, get a ,cough cough, Iphone. Not all features may work but hey, you'll get your update. My one and a half cents and a THANKS to the hard working devs that bring us these leaks and roms (FOR FREE) to satisfy our need to update. YOU GUYS ROCK!
This phone is awesome straight out of the box. I'm just a flash junkie and I love new shiny stuff. I wonder if there's a support group for flash addicts?
I dont understand why carriers have to tweak the software when samsung already does it. I dont think carriers change the software that much that it takes so long. Someone please enlighten me
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jmacdonald19 said:
This phone is awesome straight out of the box. I'm just a flash junkie and I love new shiny stuff. I wonder if there's a support group for flash addicts?
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Lol
I'm sure a huge population ate xda are
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viking2.0 said:
I dont understand why carriers have to tweak the software when samsung already does it. I dont think carriers change the software that much that it takes so long. Someone please enlighten me
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Its not the OS they are changing, it takes them this long to make their BS bloatware work.
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Its not the OS they are changing, it takes them this long to make their BS bloatware work.
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Well and doing carrier certification. I think that's more of what ends up taking a long time than updating any carrier add-on software.
Sprint is receiving their OTA to JB starting today. So I'm sure we're not too far behind.
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this sucks but never a problem with custom roms and Samsung is the easiest to update.
I'm new to Android, so maybe that makes me naive. But, I'd like to bring up a few points:
1) How do you know JB for the AT&T GS3 is delayed until 2013? No one has given a release date. Heck, it might be 2014 or 2015. It's misleading to post a title like that.
2) "Coming months:" this ambiguity goes both ways. Sprint released their GS3 JB OTA update today.
3) AT&T is taking long to update their bloatware?! There are three stupid apps: AT&T Hotspots, AT&T Messages, and AT&T Navigator. AND AT&T's already released the Note 2, which comes with Jelly Bean. Thus, these apps have already been updated to work with Jelly Bean!
The holdup on AT&T's part is something else...
So I'm due for an upgrade and I was wondering about this phone as it's the only one I really want. I currently have a motorola phone that was a flagship when it was first released(Atrix 4G) and while it was a decent phone, Motorola didn't really support it and stick to its release schedules with the phone. Normally this would not be a bad thing since there is the development community that one can fall back on, but this hindered the development community since developers needed to rely on Motorola for drivers and kernel along with Nvidia because the processor in the phone was a Tegra and I'm sure you guys already know how much Nvidia and open source don't go well together lol.
Anyways I was wondering if the SIII has(or will have) any sort of issues in the same area due to closed source or Samsung not releasing drivers,etc... to developers after major releases. I would wait for the SIV, but the phone is getting into screen size territory I'm not comfortable with and I don't want a Nexus 4 because the battery life doesn't seem to be as great as the SIII. Basically once I get my next phone, I want to be able to hold onto it for a few years without feeling the need to upgrade because of out of date software. The hardware in the SIII seems more than sufficient to be future proof.
Another side question: would there be any mods that retain some of the software features found in touchwiz or add any such as multitasking? Not a deal breaker, but just wondering.
octahedron said:
So I'm due for an upgrade and I was wondering about this phone as it's the only one I really want. I currently have a motorola phone that was a flagship when it was first released(Atrix 4G) and while it was a decent phone, Motorola didn't really support it and stick to its release schedules with the phone. Normally this would not be a bad thing since there is the development community that one can fall back on, but this hindered the development community since developers needed to rely on Motorola for drivers and kernel along with Nvidia because the processor in the phone was a Tegra and I'm sure you guys already know how much Nvidia and open source don't go well together lol.
Anyways I was wondering if the SIII has(or will have) any sort of issues in the same area due to closed source or Samsung not releasing drivers,etc... to developers after major releases. I would wait for the SIV, but the phone is getting into screen size territory I'm not comfortable with and I don't want a Nexus 4 because the battery life doesn't seem to be as great as the SIII. Basically once I get my next phone, I want to be able to hold onto it for a few years without feeling the need to upgrade because of out of date software. The hardware in the SIII seems more than sufficient to be future proof.
Another side question: would there be any mods that retain some of the software features found in touchwiz or add any such as multitasking? Not a deal breaker, but just wondering.
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Seriously doubt Samsung will "prevent" users from being able to mod unofficially. This is one of their two flagship devices. However, it is the carriers that should worry you more. Remember that there are different hardware versions of the SIII as well. Most likely the international versions will be always ahead in getting new updates. On a carrier such as AT&T you are most likely to be the last to receive an update, if you get it at all. Ultimately, if you want guaranteed updates, Nexus 4 is the only sure way to go.
And seriously, read before you ask about mods. Yes and Yes to both questions. Read through and you will find a lot.
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Seriously doubt Samsung will "prevent" users from being able to mod unofficially.
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This is not completely true. Samsung has already angered alot of the top developers by not releasing the proper info on the exynos chip in some phones. Even after saying they would. Even some CM maintainers have sworn off Samsung until them come threw. But they still have some of the best tract records for android. Even though Sony is moving up fast.
@OP you will always find something about one company or another that wall cause issues with open source development. This is due to the phone OEM not owning all the software code for the devices. Take CDMA phones. They use a closed sourced phone to work on the network. Nothing Samsung can do about it as it is not theirs. We won't even start on the WiFi and BT chip.
In the end. Get a phone that does what you want and need. Development should never be a first choice. That is just a bonus.
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Seriously doubt Samsung will "prevent" users from being able to mod unofficially. This is one of their two flagship devices. However, it is the carriers that should worry you more. Remember that there are different hardware versions of the SIII as well. Most likely the international versions will be always ahead in getting new updates. On a carrier such as AT&T you are most likely to be the last to receive an update, if you get it at all. Ultimately, if you want guaranteed updates, Nexus 4 is the only sure way to go.
And seriously, read before you ask about mods. Yes and Yes to both questions. Read through and you will find a lot.
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I seriously doubted Motorola would have had issues with the Atrix seeing as how it was their flagship device as well. Seeing as how I've never had a Samsung smartphone, I'm not sure how they handle their updates and it has nothing to do with the carriers as much as it had to do with their Nvidia and Motorola because of Tegra and the fingerprint scanner/lapdock.
And "seriously" I've browsed through the developers forum before to see how active it was. All I wanted was a quick confirmation to my question instead of scanning each thread for a phone I may or may not get.
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This is not completely true. Samsung has already angered alot of the top developers by not releasing the proper info on the exynos chip in some phones. Even after saying they would. Even some CM maintainers have sworn off Samsung until them come threw. But they still have some of the best tract records for android. Even though Sony is moving up fast.
@OP you will always find something about one company or another that wall cause issues with open source development. This is due to the phone OEM not owning all the software code for the devices. Take CDMA phones. They use a closed sourced phone to work on the network. Nothing Samsung can do about it as it is not theirs. We won't even start on the WiFi and BT chip.
In the end. Get a phone that does what you want and need. Development should never be a first choice. That is just a bonus.
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Gotcha and thank you.
Hello fellow Atrix owner! I'm a former Atrix owner myself. I can you tell right now, this place is hoppin' compared to the Atrix. You won't be disappointed with the choices with ROMs here! Got a couple of former devs from the Atrix over here as well making ROMs!
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I have 4.2.2 running almost flawlessly already. Even the nexus devices are just having this update rolled out. I think that goes to show the quality of the S3 development. There certainly isn't a lack of ROMs to choose from in this community.
Deggy said:
Hello fellow Atrix owner! I'm a former Atrix owner myself. I can you tell right now, this place is hoppin' compared to the Atrix. You won't be disappointed with the choices with ROMs here! Got a couple of former devs from the Atrix over here as well making ROMs!
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CamFlawless said:
I have 4.2.2 running almost flawlessly already. Even the nexus devices are just having this update rolled out. I think that goes to show the quality of the S3 development. There certainly isn't a lack of ROMs to choose from in this community.
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Well this is good to know
I rooted and had neutrino running on my wife's atrix. Samsung phones are easy compared to that process. There are plenty of stock based and aosp roms available. I have flashed at least 20 different roms since October. I will be jumping on the S4 though when it arrives.
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The samsung was easy to root and there seems to be plenty of rom choice comparatively to some other android phones i've owned.
y0yerrj0sh said:
The samsung was easy to root and there seems to be plenty of rom choice comparatively to some other android phones i've owned.
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S3 is easy to hard brick too if you aren't paying attention to what you are doing. Just saying.....
Sweet!
Just a rumor though. Hopefully it's true! And usually Sammobile is very accurate.
**Credit to rwilco12 for finding this**
Your Source (SamMobile) really doesn't pay much attention to US Spec phones. If you notice they are talking about international models. I wouldn't extrapolate that info to mean anything about our phones.
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Your Source (SamMobile) really doesn't pay much attention to US Spec phones. If you notice they are talking about international models. I wouldn't extrapolate that info to mean anything about our phones.
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If the GS2 got Jellybean why the heck wouldn't we get 4.2.2/5.0............
Joe0113 said:
If the GS2 got Jellybean why the heck wouldn't we get 4.2.2/5.0............
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With our phones, it's not just up to Samsung. Qualcomm (because of CDMA tweaks) and Sprint are also involved in producing the ROMs.
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If the GS2 got Jellybean why the heck wouldn't we get 4.2.2/5.0............
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Sprints s2 aka the epic touch 4g hasn't got jellybean 4.2 yet... i have both phones
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Sprint is not going to waste their time updating a phone from two generations ago (GS2) to Jellybean when the GS4 is coming with Jellybean! That would be a big marketing mistake on Sprint's part. Not to mention the whole CDMA thing which complicates matters even more. We all Sprint is the least profitable of the big 4 US carriers so they aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot like that. Not to mention, those subscribers who still have the GS2 will not be as excited to upgrade to the GS4 if the android version is the same. Sprint wants them to upgrade! GS2 and GS3 will not get these updates from Sprint I am willing to put money on it lol.
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Sprint is not going to waste their time updating a phone from two generations ago (GS2) to Jellybean when the GS4 is coming with Jellybean! That would be a big marketing mistake on Sprint's part. Not to mention the whole CDMA thing which complicates matters even more. We all Sprint is the least profitable of the big 4 US carriers so they aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot like that. Not to mention, those subscribers who still have the GS2 will not be as excited to upgrade to the GS4 if the android version is the same. Sprint wants them to upgrade! GS2 and GS3 will not get these updates from Sprint I am willing to put money on it lol.
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Um ok, GS3 already has jellybean and GS2 has had multiple jellybean leaked roms so we know they are working on it. Keep in mind the cdma GS2 was just released for Boost and Virgin Mobile within the past couple months and has not been put on end of life by sprint yet, so it is still receiving support funding for software updates.
Also if you were familiar with the update life cycle of top tier samsung phones on sprint e.g. The GS1 & GS2 you would see 2 full years of android version upgrades is the norm not the exception. Look for the GS2 to get 4.1.2 and be EOL end of this year, and the GS3 to get its final update next year and EOL end of next year.
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Premium Suite still hasn't made it to USA S3s. It's not anywhere near a sure thing GS3 will get Android K. My guess is 4.2 with premium suite and some GS4 features after GS4 has been available in the market for a good while, then Sammy will be pretty much done with GS3.
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Premium Suite still hasn't made it to USA S3s. It's not anywhere near a sure thing GS3 will get Android K. My guess is 4.2 with premium suite and some GS4 features after GS4 has been available in the market for a good while, then Sammy will be pretty much done with GS3.
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Samsung like to update their U.S phones with the latest features after the launch It's newest flagship. So, after the GS4 is available in the US that's when we'll see an update.
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Honestly, as far as Carriers go, I believe Sprint is the best when it comes to OS updates. AT&T probably comes in second. And I'm basing this off carrier-specific phones, not international devices on GSM carriers.
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Sprint is not going to waste their time updating a phone from two generations ago (GS2) to Jellybean when the GS4 is coming with Jellybean! That would be a big marketing mistake on Sprint's part. Not to mention the whole CDMA thing which complicates matters even more. We all Sprint is the least profitable of the big 4 US carriers so they aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot like that. Not to mention, those subscribers who still have the GS2 will not be as excited to upgrade to the GS4 if the android version is the same. Sprint wants them to upgrade! GS2 and GS3 will not get these updates from Sprint I am willing to put money on it lol.
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Sprint was bought by Softbank by the way. They have mass amounts of money to spend. And they are not 4th in profits. Basically your whole statement is false. http://allthingsd.com/20130318/hesse-masayoshi-son-met-with-fcc-to-pitch-softbank-sprint-deal/
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I don't understand why anyone is surprised by this. Every Galaxy S phone has been updated to two major versions of android.
Galaxy S (eclair) - froyo and gingerbread
GSII (gingerbread) - ICS and jelly bean
It only makes sense that that the gs3 would get the same treatment and be updated to Key Lime Pie when it's only had one major update (jelly bean)
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I really like the phone as is, but 4.2 is pretty sweet!!!!
I believe we will get it, but they are focused on getting the GS4 selling right now so they will likely wait another 6 months or so.
Right now, you gotta pay to play with the official 4.2 phones.....or go the CM10 route which has bugs.
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I really like the phone as is, but 4.2 is pretty sweet!!!!
I believe we will get it, but they are focused on getting the GS4 selling right now so they will likely wait another 6 months or so.
Right now, you gotta pay to play with the official 4.2 phones.....or go the CM10 route which has bugs.
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Liquid Smooth all the way. No bugs what so ever. Running 4.2.2
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Sprint is not going to waste their time updating a phone from two generations ago (GS2) to Jellybean when the GS4 is coming with Jellybean! That would be a big marketing mistake on Sprint's part. Not to mention the whole CDMA thing which complicates matters even more. We all Sprint is the least profitable of the big 4 US carriers so they aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot like that. Not to mention, those subscribers who still have the GS2 will not be as excited to upgrade to the GS4 if the android version is the same. Sprint wants them to upgrade! GS2 and GS3 will not get these updates from Sprint I am willing to put money on it lol.
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Ill bet you $50 that our s2 will get the official update.... But im also thinking that will be the last update that s2 will get
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otterboxfan4l said:
Ill bet you $50 that our s2 will get the official update.... But im also thinking that will be the last update that s2 will get
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I don't see the S2 getting Jelly Bean 4.2 update. That phone is to old for that. I see the S3 getting the 4.2 update though, but probably not the 5.0 though. By then most will have upgraded to the S4 or whatever Samsung has out.
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I don't see the S2 getting Jelly Bean 4.2 update. That phone is to old for that. I see the S3 getting the 4.2 update though, but probably not the 5.0 though. By then most will have upgraded to the S4 or whatever Samsung has out.
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I respectfully disagree. After looking at the specs for the s4, I think most people will probably hold out for the S 5. It looks like some minimal hardware upgrades and mostly software upgrades, which I believe the s3 will handle very easily. just my humble opinion though
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We'll have to wait an see. Would rather get one that is tested and none to work then see them push to release one that is buggy.
Hopefully 4.2 comes to the us galaxy s3 none of them got premium suite update feature just the 4.1.2 that's all
It could also be that Samsung, not the carriers, puts the brakes on the S3 in favor of selling (forcing) the S4. Like when Moto stopped supporting the Photon (then a flagship device) within 6 months in order to sell more new "flagship devices" rather than update existing usable consumer products. Consumers who bought into the "latest,greatest" Moto had to offer at the time thinking they would be good for at least a couple years of contract.
It's a double edge sword where someone is going to get cut, no matter if it's from the carrier who doesn't want to spend the money to add their junk, or the manufacture who doesn't want to update "old" products.
With the devices of today, and the power they have, I see the trend moving more and more to the rooting/dev. arena to make existing devices more usable for longer periods of time.
Tech is so far advanced that now, within the terms of a typical 2 year contract, not much can be added to make a consumer justify the cost unless they just HAVE to be "better" than anyone else.
Having said that, the easiest way to continue new sales is to stop developing/supporting "older" devices.