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In Canada, I am unable to get my Rogers LG-E971 to connect to Bell's LTE network. Talked with Bell technical support and they said that the phone is not reporting LTE capability. I even messed around in the service menu (use 971 instead of 973 or 970 in the code) and enabled the bands that bell uses, still no go. I can't even return the phone now, because I had to unlock it to try it on Bell.
Bell sells the LG-E973. I bought the Rogers because Bell will not sell new phones without selling/renewing a plan along with the phone.
So, to sum up, don't go buying a Rogers Optimus G hoping to get LTE to work on Bell (or Telus, I assume) after unlocking. You'll be out your $700 because shops won't accept the return if the phone has been unlocked.
Edit: Forgot to say, I get 4G HSPA speeds (pulling 15Mbps down on speedtest compared to 30Mbps down on a friend's iPhone 5 LTE connection) on Bell.
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i got the g for rogers aswell.. are you saying that rogers doesnt provided lte?
my signal says 4g... thought that meant LTE??
and your right.. i get 14mb down.. is supposed to be 30???
cpus456 said:
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i got the g for rogers aswell.. are you saying that rogers doesnt provided lte?
my signal says 4g... thought that meant LTE??
and your right.. i get 14mb down.. is supposed to be 30???
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from speedtest videos, it's supposed to have an lte icon when it's on lte. you can check which network it's on by checking settings->about phone->status (or something along those lines, i don't have the phone in front of me at the moment).
You should be able to get LTE on rogers, if you're not you need to check your coverage at http://www.rogers.com/web/content/w...nsumer_Wireless_Eng-_-Network_0909-_-coverage
My personal issue is just that it's not compatible with Bell LTE (as far as I can tell).
4G is HSPA+ not LTE. If you're on Rogers and not getting LTE with the Rogers phone make sure you live in an area with LTE coverage and that you have not accidentally disabled it in the mobile network settings.
As for the Rogers version not working with Bell LTE, maybe once the bootloader is unlocked it will be possible to flash the Bell radio and have it work?
I think this is because the rogers optimus g's LTE runs on the 2600mhz band only, as far as i know, so far, it is the ONLY phone in the country that runs on the 2600 band currently. The upside is that you practically get your own private "highway" and you should see significant speed advantages as long as you are connected to roger's network. The downside is that it not very compatible with other networks.
Joyok said:
I think this is because the rogers optimus g's LTE runs on the 2600mhz band only, as far as i know, so far, it is the ONLY phone in the country that runs on the 2600 band currently. The upside is that you practically get your own private "highway" and you should see significant speed advantages as long as you are connected to roger's network. The downside is that it not very compatible with other networks.
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I read this, but most of the articles I'd read said that the 2600MHz band was supposed to be a joint rollout between Rogers and Bell. Sigh.
The possibility of flashing the radio is still pretty far off unfortunately. This phone's going on craigslist; I'll just have to wait till people actually have the Bell one in stock to get my new Optimus.
just called rogers
i had the sim from my iphone4 installed.. thats why it was saying 4g
went to put the lte one in that they sent me and its too big!! they sent me the full size one ...grrrrr!!
In korean version of the G, HSPA+ shows as 3G and LTE as 4G.
I believe ive never seen the LTE icon on the G.
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In korean version of the G, HSPA+ shows as 3G and LTE as 4G.
I believe ive never seen the LTE icon on the G.
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i have a rogers 971 OG in winipeg aka no lte, shows as 4g therefore probably hspa+ im guessing lte might have a lte icon???
cant really test from where im at
BloodBaron said:
i have a rogers 971 OG in winipeg aka no lte, shows as 4g therefore probably hspa+ im guessing lte might have a lte icon???
cant really test from where im at
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I'm in toronto and mine has an LTE icon.
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Here the korean screen.
But it obviously depends on the provider/phone version.
The LTE icon probably shown only for providers which dont support the full version of LTE, just the internet/data.
Btw HSPA+ arent related to the 4G, so basically its a cheating and should be sued
joncwchao said:
I read this, but most of the articles I'd read said that the 2600MHz band was supposed to be a joint rollout between Rogers and Bell. Sigh.
The possibility of flashing the radio is still pretty far off unfortunately. This phone's going on craigslist; I'll just have to wait till people actually have the Bell one in stock to get my new Optimus.
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I dont think the possibility of flashing a different radio is as far off as you think
Hi all-
I have my E970 working on Rogers, and yes - that's one of the reason I've stuck to the AT&T phone. I suspected Rogers would f*** the consumer somehow as usual. Then again, I still have no Wifi hotspot capability until a ROM update removes AT&T's block.. :silly:
How exactly does one access the service menu to enable or disable various frequencies? I had asked about changing the baseband radio support because the AT&T 700mhz support is useless here in Canada, as the spectrum auction hasn't even run yet. It'll be 18 months or more before a provider has any support for it. But I could use 2600mhz support, or 1800 or 2100mhz support for roaming on vacations.
The band all GSM North American Optimus G models should have in common is the AWS band - 1700up/2100down. The E970 also has 700mhz, the Rogers E971 2600mhz and Telus/Bell E973s ??? (most websites claim 1800mhz, but this seems odd since neither actually use this frequency for LTE).
On the E970, HSPA+ service shows a 4G icon.
On LTE service it shows 4G LTE, even though the speeds are nothing alike. HSPA+ Here in Alberta is typically 1-4Mbit, the LTE speeds so far are nothing to write home about either, averaging about half the claims I see from Rogers users in Ontario or BC - typically 15-30Mbit downstream and 8-12Mbit upstream in various parts of the city.
Here's my Speedtest.net samples from Rogers LTE over the weekend, check the attached screenshot. The speeds seem all over the map, but are all in the same areas of the city, downtown and northside.
amrando said:
Hi all-
I have my E970 working on Rogers, and yes - that's one of the reason I've stuck to the AT&T phone. I suspected Rogers would f*** the consumer somehow as usual. Then again, I still have no Wifi hotspot capability until a ROM update removes AT&T's block.. :silly:
How exactly does one access the service menu to enable or disable various frequencies? I had asked about changing the baseband radio support because the AT&T 700mhz support is useless here in Canada, as the spectrum auction hasn't even run yet. It'll be 18 months or more before a provider has any support for it. But I could use 2600mhz support, or 1800 or 2100mhz support for roaming on vacations.
The band all GSM North American Optimus G models should have in common is the AWS band - 1700up/2100down. The E970 also has 700mhz, the Rogers E971 2600mhz and Telus/Bell E973s ??? (most websites claim 1800mhz, but this seems odd since neither actually use this frequency for LTE).
On the E970, HSPA+ service shows a 4G icon.
On LTE service it shows 4G LTE, even though the speeds are nothing alike. HSPA+ Here in Alberta is typically 1-4Mbit, the LTE speeds so far are nothing to write home about either, averaging about half the claims I see from Rogers users in Ontario or BC - typically 15-30Mbit downstream and 8-12Mbit upstream in various parts of the city.
Here's my Speedtest.net samples from Rogers LTE over the weekend, check the attached screenshot. The speeds seem all over the map, but are all in the same areas of the city, downtown and northside.
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Service menu can be accessed by typing 3845#*970# into the dialer, where you replace 970 with the model number of the phone (Bell is 973, Rogers is 971). From there, ->LTE-Only->Modem Settings->LTE Band Selection. Checking the items seems to apply the settings immediately.
If you're getting 30Mbps then that's pretty good, here in Vancouver Rogers seems to top out around 50Mbps with good weather and everything. If you ever get more than half the claimed speeds you're probably standing in a testing lab.
Haze08, I've seen that the American models are unlocked now, but they still have to do the work on the Canadian ones, then someone would still have to have the inclination to figure out the differences between Bell and Rogers models, then figure out a safe way to flash the baseband, then test if it's safe to modify the baseband of one model to make LTE work on a different network. That assumes that it's possible; it could be a hardware issue that can't be fixed by flashing the radio. I'm not even convinced there'd be a demand for figuring out how to make the Rogers model work on Bell, seeing as how the Bell model is starting to trickle in stock. All these factors add up to me not holding my breath that someday the Rogers model will be able to connect to Bell's LTE network.
I'm just hoping to get the bootloader unlock and stock 4.2 with AWS 2600 LTE support for the Rogers E971. I like this phone and really don't want the hassle of changing it for an N4. This phone phone is simply better in every other way.
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In Canada, I am unable to get my Rogers LG-E971 to connect to Bell's LTE network. Talked with Bell technical support and they said that the phone is not reporting LTE capability. I even messed around in the service menu (use 971 instead of 973 or 970 in the code) and enabled the bands that bell uses, still no go. I can't even return the phone now, because I had to unlock it to try it on Bell.
Bell sells the LG-E973. I bought the Rogers because Bell will not sell new phones without selling/renewing a plan along with the phone.
So, to sum up, don't go buying a Rogers Optimus G hoping to get LTE to work on Bell (or Telus, I assume) after unlocking. You'll be out your $700 because shops won't accept the return if the phone has been unlocked.
Edit: Forgot to say, I get 4G HSPA speeds (pulling 15Mbps down on speedtest compared to 30Mbps down on a friend's iPhone 5 LTE connection) on Bell.
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How old is your Bell SIM? When I upgraded to an LTE device on Telus I needed the new SIM card. Without it, your device likely will not report LTE capabilities to Bell. If you look at the Galaxy S3, the SGH-i747 is identical for Bell, Telus and Rogers, and all support LTE and there are no issues bringing unlocked phones between the 3 carriers, so it doesn't make sense that the Optimus G itself would behave like this.
The sim card I have is a Bell LTE microsim, and it's getting LTE on my new LG-E973.
To clarify:
Rogers LTE microsim + LG-E971 unlocked = Rogers LTE connection
Bell LTE microsim + LG-E971 unlocked = NO Bell LTE connection
Bell LTE microsim + LG-E973 bought from Bell = Bell LTE connection
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The sim card I have is a Bell LTE microsim, and it's getting LTE on my new LG-E973.
To clarify:
Rogers LTE microsim + LG-E971 unlocked = Rogers LTE connection
Bell LTE microsim + LG-E971 unlocked = NO Bell LTE connection
Bell LTE microsim + LG-E973 bought from Bell = Bell LTE connection
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hey
do you know if the E973 (bell) would work on rogers LTE?
Unfortunately I would have to pay to get the E973 unlocked and buy another rogers sim (I sold mine already), so I don't have an answer for you. Sorry.
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do you know if the E973 (bell) would work on rogers LTE?
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Unfortunately I would have to pay to get the E973 unlocked and buy another rogers sim (I sold mine already), so I don't have an answer for you. Sorry.
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no worries, thanks for posting your other results!
Which Note 2 supports more networks and frequencies; and therefore, which would be more suitable for international travel. Is the Verizon Note 2 even pentaband?
T mobile version because it's gsm which is going to work overseas. Verizon is a CDMA and I haven't read that it has gsm support.
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T mobile version because it's gsm which is going to work overseas. Verizon is a CDMA and I haven't read that it has gsm support.
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Yup, the T-Mobile version will work in more places overseas -- Especially Europe. Just in case, you might want to ask this in the Verizon area also just to make sure. :good:
I'm confused because on Samsungs website, http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SCH-I605TSAVZW-specs
the Verizon Model has the GSM frequencies,
is it GSM if unlocked; i believe the Note 2 is already unlocked by verizon, will it work on GSM frequencies internationally?
correct me if I'm wrong, thanks
the verizon Galaxy Note II apparently has the GSM radios,
also has LTE; doesn't AT&T LTE work along same frequencies as verizon LTE
or is the verizon LTE exlusively to CDMA?
All Galaxy Note 2 devices seem to have all WCDMA, GSM, and LTE bands.
But what I understand is that Verizon version is considered as a "world" phone. I know that they tell me that I can use their Galaxy Note 2 on the European Networks.
I have played around with the bands on my T-Mobile Galaxy Note 2 and can get the WCDMA and LTE working. So I don't know if the Modem firmware in all Galaxy Note 2 are the same and just need to be activated by the carrier's sim card or not. Someone please educate us on the this. I know that their is talk of needing OTA update to activate the LTE within T-Mobile GN2. But if the Modem is all the same then can just updating or exchanging the sim card could do the same? Or does the nv file also needs to be updated to activate the band/s as well?
The question is not if Galaxy Note 2 (all verisons) have the bands. But how to (the actual process) activate the band, in question, and get the Galaxy Note 2 in working order with the carrier of choice? What is the method? How to do the process of this method?
Please correct me if I am getting this wrong.
^ good point, and also just to ask about the verizon note 2 again, i thought it carries carries an an additional radio for CDMA, does this mean that the verizon note 2 model has better capabilities worldwide' since it is virtually compatible with all networks in the world (simply tweaks to the frequencies to the radio can get the verizon variant working virtually anywhere) please correct me if I'm wrong here. thanks
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Problem I have seen in the past with Verizon world phones is that the game frequencies only work overseas. And lte is gsm band. Which is one of the few reasons Verizon phones have a sim slot to begin with
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All recent Verizon LTE phones have GSM radios built in as well as their own CDMA/LTE radio. The LTE radio is only compatible with their network.
Some of these phones are even shipped out of the box unlocked and can be used immediately on GSM networks in the U.S.
If you do get the Verizon Note II and want to use it on T-Mobile, it will not have support for their HSPA+ 42mbps network, I believe it maxes out at 21mbps, as with all other Note II's around the world except for T-Mobiles.
But doesn't Verizon use LTE on the 700 band just like AT&T and future TMobile LTE?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
Please correct me if I'm wrong, thank you.
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All recent Verizon LTE phones have GSM radios built in as well as their own CDMA/LTE radio. The LTE radio is only compatible with their network.
Some of these phones are even shipped out of the box unlocked and can be used immediately on GSM networks in the U.S.
If you do get the Verizon Note II and want to use it on T-Mobile, it will not have support for their HSPA+ 42mbps network, I believe it maxes out at 21mbps, as with all other Note II's around the world except for T-Mobiles.
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So the Verizon Note2 is like the AT&T Note2 & Sprint Note2 (supporting 21Mbps HSPA+ but not 42Mbps like T-Mobile) but all only with their own respective LTE?..wouldn't it be more cost effective for Samsung just to make 1 phone with all the hardware to support all (isn't the iPhone5 like that now?) or is it cost prohibitive or do carriers not want to make it easier to unlock?
Are we still confident that the T-Mobile Note2 is the best if we want the flexibility to use on all carriers? How often is >21Mbps HSPA+ seen in real world use & why is the disabled LTE not listed at http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1877 ?
So, which is better then, Verizon or T-Mobile? Verizon's Note 2 also includes a CDMA radio whereas the T-Mobile version does not. If you are using the Note 2 in the US, wouldn't you have more flexible options in terms of which carrier to use?
nerdydesi said:
All recent Verizon LTE phones have GSM radios built in as well as their own CDMA/LTE radio. The LTE radio is only compatible with their network.
Some of these phones are even shipped out of the box unlocked and can be used immediately on GSM networks in the U.S.
If you do get the Verizon Note II and want to use it on T-Mobile, it will not have support for their HSPA+ 42mbps network, I believe it maxes out at 21mbps, as with all other Note II's around the world except for T-Mobiles.
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So do we consider the Verizon Note2 even more carrier flexible than T-Mobile's Note2 (as I was about ready to buy the T-Mobile Note2 to try their $30/mo plan but now having some doubts..if I want this tomorrow I need to order soon) ?
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Well LTE On the Verizon Note 2 is only compatible with Verizon's Network. Even if unlocked; the phone's firmware only recognizes LTE if only the Verizon 750 band is detected. Verizon has its own exclusive LTE bands compared to AT&T and Future T-Mobile LTE (sharing the same LTE bands)
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So do we consider the Verizon Note2 even more carrier flexible than T-Mobile's Note2 (as I was about ready to buy the T-Mobile Note2 to try their $30/mo plan but now having some doubts..if I want this tomorrow I need to order soon) ?
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I cannot speak to the CDMA radio issue, but I am positive that Verizon LTE will not work with any GSM LTE phone. The frequencies are similar, but Verizon is using a different LTE protocol. I asked that question a long time ago, thinking that LTE would finally allow roaming between Verizon and AT&T, but they are too clever to allow such a democratic system to function. They will remain fundamentally incompatible, not because they need to be, but because they want it that way to keep you locked to your carrier by your choice of device. Nice, eh?
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The Verizon NoteII will (in theory) connect to any gsm carrier. How to do so, I don't know.
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^^^ Well, the Verizon Note 2 will not be able to work with another carrier's LTE than itself.
my experience
Hey folks,
I've got the Verizon Note 2 and I love it. If you're willing to unlock the bootloader and then install a hack onto your device, you'll easily be able to swap the SIM card out and use it just about anywhere. Yes, the phone is carrier unlocked (not the same as bootloader unlocked). The issue is that in the settings, they won't let you add the specific APNs for the carriers you need. I"m not sure how else to get around that without installing some of the hacks. I managed to do it and it works beautifully on Canada's Bell Mobility, HSPA+ is screamingly fast and the LTE on VErizon in the States is just insanely fast. My recommendation: get the Verizon version because they've built out their LTE much more than their rivals at this point.
On anantech the reviewer stated that the tmobile version would be the most compatible. If you get vzw note2 and switch you wont get lte on tmob or att. Quite frankly vzw is too expensive and the coverage from tmobile is getting better by the month. Not to mention their business pricing is better than any of the other carriers.
when I go through the specs for the AT&T and Tmobile variants for the note 2, I come across a difference in the following
AT&T,
GSM Quad-band: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Tmobile
Frequencies and Data Type GSM Quad-band: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz UMTS: Band I ,band II, Band IV (Dual-band1700/2100 MHz), Band V
What does the dual band mean? Is it for Tmobiles 4G network?
I thought all the Note 2's in the US had the same LTE radio
please shed some light,
thanks
1700 MHz/2100 MHz UMTS (WCDMA) AWS is currently T-Mobile's 4G network.
T-Mobile will have LTE up and running sometime within next year (2013).
Yes T-Mobile Galaxy Note 2 devices do have LTE. But it is now not activated. T-Mobile will activate the LTE within T-Mobile's Galaxy Note 2 when they get their LTE service up and running within your area.
How to activate the LTE and running on another carrier is a good question. This I get bits and pieces. But not a full step-by-step process yet.
The T-Mobile Note II is pentaband; it will work on AT&T and T-Mobile 3G/4G (not LTE though as of now). I think that's what you're getting at.
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The T-Mobile Note II is pentaband; it will work on AT&T and T-Mobile 3G/4G (not LTE though as of now). I think that's what you're getting at.
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I believe that we can get the LTE up and running with other carriers. I know that I got LTE working on my GN2 (SGH-T889). We just need to learn how to get the LTE running with other carriers. That is really the question. When we figure that out then this might be able to be applied to other GN2 devices.
Tmobile hasnt turned on lte yet. From what i understand once they do our note 2's should be able to utilize it.
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What does the dual band mean? Is it for Tmobiles 4G network?
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Tmobile uses 42.2 mbps dual channel hsdpa.
Afaik, At&t uses 21.1 mbps hsdpa.
Lte(long term evolution) is a different technology not yet active for Tmobile customers.
Real World, my friend with a Galaxy nexus on Tmobile network gets about 8mbps while I get 14mbps. Galaxy nexus has the 21.1mbps capable modem.
konceptz said:
Tmobile uses 42.2 mbps dual channel hsdpa.
Afaik, At&t uses 21.1 mbps hsdpa.
Lte(long term evolution) is a different technology not yet active for Tmobile customers.
Real World, my friend with a Galaxy nexus on Tmobile network gets about 8mbps while I get 14mbps. Galaxy nexus has the 21.1mbps capable modem.
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You're talking about something called DC-HSPA (Dual Channel/Carrier), which is basically what you said: Using 2 frequencies of HSPA(+) to achieve basically double the throughput.
Is it a hardware limitation (as in slightly modified Qualcomm LTE Chipset) in the AT&T Note 2 that 42mbps is not supported compared to T-Mobiles version? Or it is software / firmware-controlled?
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Is it a hardware limitation (as in slightly modified Qualcomm LTE Chipset) in the AT&T Note 2 that 42mbps is not supported compared to T-Mobiles version? Or it is software / firmware-controlled?
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It could be software (on the modem level, which is low-level stuff and separate from the ROM); T-Mobile's Galaxy S II was basically AT&T's Skyrocket with LTE disabled. You could actually flash a T-Mobile S2's modem onto a Skyrocket to get it to work on T-Mobile frequencies (but you can't get LTE enabled on the T-Mobile S II as far as I know).
would you say the note 2 from verizon is any better since it also includes a CDMA radio? Also, though LTE only works in the upper 700 frequency, any change a modem update or firmware change will allow the verizon version to work on T-mobile or AT&T network?
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would you say the note 2 from verizon is any better since it also includes a CDMA radio? Also, though LTE only works in the upper 700 frequency, any change a modem update or firmware change will allow the verizon version to work on T-mobile or AT&T network?
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No; CDMA is useless unless you're going to be using it on the carrier it came from. I'd say the T-Mobile version is the best (in terms of working with the most networks), then the AT&T version (because it has LTE), then the International version (because it's the AT&T version without LTE), and after that the Verizon one because Sprint are jerks because they use "embedded SIMs".
I have done an extensive search both on Google and XDA Developers, and could not find an answer to my question.
I know that Samsung has released an LTE compatible version of the S3, the I9305 (LTE 800 / 1800 / 2600). So my question is, when the LTE network becomes available and more prevalent for T-mobile, will I be able to get LTE speeds with an unlocked I9305 S3? Thanks.
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I have done an extensive search both on Google and XDA Developers, and could not find an answer to my question.
I know that Samsung has released an LTE compatible version of the S3, the I9305 (LTE 800 / 1800 / 2600). So my question is, when the LTE network becomes available and more prevalent for T-mobile, will I be able to get LTE speeds with an unlocked I9305 S3? Thanks.
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As I recall, T-Mobile doesn't offer LTE. Or maybe they have started recently and I just haven't realized it. But nonetheless, you can use the i9305, on T-Mobile seeing as it is an unlocked gsm phone. So it'll go as fast as T-Mobile will let it.
EDIT: Just kidding, T-Mobile DOES have 4G LTE, supposedly the fastest out there too.
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Yeah tmobile 4g lte beat att's and verizon in a test from cnet! But you have to make sure that your phone supports tmobiles lte bands. I dont know yet what bands tmobile use for their lte
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Yeah tmobile 4g lte beat att's and verizon in a test from cnet! But you have to make sure that your phone supports tmobiles lte bands. I dont know yet what bands tmobile use for their lte
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Lol you do know that T-Mobile just released lte and have far less data traffic on their lte network than at&t and Verizon which right?
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Lol you do know that T-Mobile just released lte and have far less data traffic on their lte network than at&t and Verizon which right?
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That's not all there is to it... They launched LTE-Advanced right off the bat. It is highly optimized over LTE revision 0.
OP, you would not even get HSPA+ on that phone if there isn't support for the 1700 band but you definitely will not get LTE based on the bands you posted.
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That's not all there is to it... They launched LTE-Advanced right off the bat. It is highly optimized over LTE revision 0.
OP, you would not even get HSPA+ on that phone if there isn't support for the 1700 band but you definitely will not get LTE based on the bands you posted.
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Thanks for all the responses, this is good to know. I was always leery about unlocked phones claiming to be LTE compatible... this is why I would prefer buying a t-mobile specific LTE phone so I am 100% certain I will get LTE speeds.
remiks3 said:
Thanks for all the responses, this is good to know. I was always leery about unlocked phones claiming to be LTE compatible... this is why I would prefer buying a t-mobile specific LTE phone so I am 100% certain I will get LTE speeds.
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T-Mobile is unique because they use the AWS 1700 band for LTE and 3G/HSPA. Verizon and at&t use 700MHz for their LTE which is the problem. We should start seeing a bunch of phones launch with AWS LTE this year. I would just wait and see what comes down the pipeline.
Will I lose any lte band support if I convert to tmobile?
Yes, flashing T-Mob US (I assume you mean US, since you are talking AT&T) firmware or RUU will change band support, and you will lose some LTE bands.
According to the specs on GSMarena, with the T-Mob firmware, you will have support for LTE bands 4 and 17; and will lose support for 2, 5, and 7.
What bands do you need, and what carrier are you using?
Tmo USA
What if I merely flash a tmobile based rom
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Tmo USA
What if I merely flash a tmobile based rom
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Just flashing the ROM, you won't change the band support.
But again, I'm curious what carrier you are actually using the phone on?
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Just flashing the ROM, you won't change the band support.
But again, I'm curious what carrier you are actually using the phone on?
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Tmobile USA
I installed insertcoin and used the tmobile setting hopefully it works
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Tmobile USA
I installed insertcoin and used the tmobile setting hopefully it works
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Should work fine.
Being on T-Mob US, and using AT&T radio baseband (part of the firmware that determines band support) should be fine for the most part. Reason I say this is:
1) ATT radio supports the same LTE bands as the T-Mob radio (4 and 17), and then some.
2) ATT radio is missing HSPA (3G) Band 4 (AWS). This used to be the band most widely used by T-Mob for 3G. But my understanding, is that they are well underway in migrating 3G service to 1900 MHz (Band 2) which is supported by the ATT radio.
3) The only "negative" to staying on the ATT radio, that I can see, is that if you happen to be in area where T-Mob is still using AWS for 3G , and you don't have LTE service in that area, either. In that instance, your data will drop down to EDGE (2G). I don't really have an idea of how widespread this situation may be; but I have a feeling its relatively small.
redpoint73 said:
Should work fine.
Being on T-Mob US, and using AT&T radio baseband (part of the firmware that determines band support) should be fine for the most part. Reason I say this is:
1) ATT radio supports the same LTE bands as the T-Mob radio (4 and 17), and then some.
2) ATT radio is missing HSPA (3G) Band 4 (AWS). This used to be the band most widely used by T-Mob for 3G. But my understanding, is that they are well underway in migrating 3G service to 1900 MHz (Band 2) which is supported by the ATT radio.
3) The only "negative" to staying on the ATT radio, that I can see, is that if you happen to be in area where T-Mob is still using AWS for 3G , and you don't have LTE service in that area, either. In that instance, your data will drop down to EDGE (2G). I don't really have an idea of how widespread this situation may be; but I have a feeling its relatively small.
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Yea thats why I got an unlocked ATT m8 instead of a tmobile one for the extra lte bands. I have yet to run into band 2 lte and all the aws hspa has been reused for lte. Luckily.