NOTE: The final decision rests with KXP team. This poll is not the deciding factor.
AOKP Jellybean on all Xperia phones, in it's latest release has USB Mass Storage disabled.
This has been in following with FXP's CyanogenMod project, and in fact it was my commit itself
http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/26914/
As I have discussed with FXP(jerpelea) and Kali-, and as has been numerous times discussed on various places over the internet, Android has since ICS 4.0, started phasing out USB Mass Storage in favour of MTP (media transfer protocol)
let me give a quick rundownUSB Mass Storage
Storage is to be unmounted from phone to see from PC
Is easily available on Windows/Linux/Mac/<yourfavouriteOS>
Possibly faster transfer speeds
Can cause SDcard(or internal emmc card) faults and corruption and bad blocks
MTP mode
Storage is accessible from phone as well as PC together (play songs on phone even when connected to PC)
Easy on Windows/Mac. Linux users might have difficulty connecting as Linux has not native MTP support.
Possible slightly slow transfer speed
Almost no chance of SD faults or corruption even if abruptly connection is ended.
Basically UMS is like connecting your phone like a USB Flash Drive.
MTP is like connecting your phone like a portable MP3 player or Camera.
Both protocols give read/write access
So I need a vote on the issue. Should KangXperiaProject ROMs have Mass Storage Option in the device ??
Also let me mention, Mass storage option does not mean MTP is disabled. MTP mode will always be available. UMS is an additional option.
working on it ^^
Well,I prefer to use MTP mode myself!
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Ghostfreak NB said:
Well,I prefer to use MTP mode myself!
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there is a poll on the top of the page
USE THAT !!
forum posts are there to discuss the 'how, what and why' of your decision.
if you want to reason out your choice or have queries, post it. if just yes or no, then just press the voting button
championswimmer said:
there is a poll on the top of the page
USE THAT !!
forum posts are there to discuss the 'how, what and why' of your decision.
if you want to reason out your choice or have queries, post it. if just yes or no, then just press the voting button
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You did a really good job setting up the poll so that it would give an unbiased result, but I think that it is only fair to let us know how difficult it is going to be to keep supporting USB Mass Storage....I worry that its not 100% straightforward because if it were super easy, would you need a poll?...and maybe there are other features that would be more important "time wasters".
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You did a really good job setting up the poll so that it would give an unbiased result, but I think that it is only fair to let us know how difficult it is going to be to keep supporting USB Mass Storage....I worry that its not 100% straightforward because if it were super easy, would you need a poll?...and maybe there are other features that would be more important "time wasters".
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basically the thing is Google doesn't like UMS, as a result CM and Sony too follow suit. But there is something we must look at. On 2011 devices the sdcard is not internal and some people might really want UMS
but then again UMS causes Sdcard faults, and you have to unmount card. Aaaaand i am lookin for a way to keep both options that the user is given choice from when connecting the phone. and i have not been able to succesfully reproduce that yet. if that works out, it'll be the best for us and the users
Yes there are others factors taking up my time, including my exams that are going to end day after tomorrow and also a 4.2 bringup is on the cards, but not before releasing a couple of more AOKP M1- Rx builds.
4.1 is far from complete as you all know.
Also happy to tell you that Sony likes my work on AOKP and to help me further, helped me with a shiny new Xperia V, but of course that doesn't solve the problem of not having a 2011 Xperia for now.
This vote is an indicator of general public opinion. It is not the final deciding factor though. For 2012 models, which have internal sdcard, it is almost certain that there would only be MTP
At work I can only use UMS because I'm not an admin and I can't install phone drivers to access MTP mode, so please keep UMS...
Congratulations!!!!!!
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I voted UMS if you can keep both and let the user decide which is best for him.
On top of what you said, UMS is good for few other things:
- MTP can be very buggy, phone side or pc side.
- I saw MTP hiding files, especially if you play with adb to put file on storage.
- If you can export full disk and not only internal storage partition, you can repartition from PC
- Regular PC disk tools compatibility, like disk usage, ... Not so many like mtp.
And few pro also regarding MTP only:
- You can use ext4 to get rid of file size limit and still be able to read files from windows.
- You can use a shared partition for data/storage.
Please keep both.
Anything that says "will be difficult for Linux" doesn't sound like a good option to me...
The little droid shouldn't forget its roots.
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I voted UMS if you can keep both and let the user decide which is best for him.
On top of what you said, UMS is good for few other things:
- MTP can be very buggy, phone side or pc side.
- I saw MTP hiding files, especially if you play with adb to put file on storage.
- If you can export full disk and not only internal storage partition, you can repartition from PC
- Regular PC disk tools compatibility, like disk usage, ... Not so many like mtp.
And few pro also regarding MTP only:
- You can use ext4 to get rid of file size limit and still be able to read files from windows.
- You can use a shared partition for data/storage.
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+1
If we can have UMS as an option like the app SD mounter then it will be a great add on for us. Even though MTP is slow but it is reliable but sometimes when we need some fast data transfer then the UMS comes into play.
So I think we should have both the options.
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If we can have UMS as an option like the app SD mounter then it will be a great add on for us. Even though MTP is slow but it is reliable but sometimes when we need some fast data transfer then the UMS comes into play.
So I think we should have both the options.
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ok i think i have found a method
MTP shall be default, but I shall write a "KXP app" or something like that which can enable UMS.
you CANNOT have UMS and MTP on the same boot. you'll have to reboot in between to change in between the modes. but anyways I don't think anyone really needs UMS and MTP simultaneously
basically even right now anyone can try this
if you are on latest AOKP, UMS is disabled and MTP is used
just go to android terminal and type the following code
Code:
su
setprop persist.sys.usb.config=mass_storage
reboot
reboot and connect to PC
was already working on a "KXP app" to hande OTA and changelogs
c1ph4 said:
Please keep both.
Anything that says "will be difficult for Linux" doesn't sound like a good option to me...
The little droid shouldn't forget its roots.
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It's not so bad. You just have to do some configurations to your GNU/Linux box. This is a good guide:
Connect your Android Ice Cream Sandwich Phone to Ubuntu for File Access
If you don't use Ubuntu there should be other distro guides, just look at your distro's wiki/manual. There's also scripts and other applications that's aid you, like KDE's MTP KIO slave for KDE applications to read/write to MTP devices. I'm sure there's something for GNOME's Nautilus also.
That app posted here on the 2012 Xperia Devices, SD Card Mounter or something along that mounts the device in mass storage, but, I have no idea how, I can still acess my files from my phone with it. I'm not sure what happens there ,but...
Yes
And why would UMS be removed?Let it be native as possible
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MTP is good. But till the time Linux starts supporting MTP, we should continue with UMS.
Ums because it is faster, anyway who would like to play music from phone when it is connected to pc and u can play songs from the phone on your pc speakers? My friend has a samsung galaxy s II and hes having big problems with mtp, he can see files but he cant copy any to his phone...
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olokos said:
Ums because it is faster, anyway who would like to play music from phone when it is connected to pc and u can play songs from the phone on your pc speakers? My friend has a samsung galaxy s II and hes having big problems with mtp, he can see files but he cant copy any to his phone...
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I like to listen to music from my phone, because: A) Acid mod rules, B) My PC speakers are too bad to be classified as "crap". They are worse than that, C) Privacy: My headphones don't connect to the speakers properly.
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bad blocks and corruption is due to the flash memorys volatility. it could die even without ums, and ums only causes coruption and the like when peple yank out usb cords like monkeys. even then modern OSs compensate
ok then this is how it will go
MTP shall be default enabled. If you want you can go into a "KXP app" and there will be a option to enable UMS, and then you reboot your device, and then enjoy UMS forever (even after subsequent reboots it wont be back to MTP).
Will start work on APP tomorrow. Might take a "slight" bit of time as I am learning java these days and I cannot churn out java code at Chuck Norris speed
Android IS Linux. Dropping USB, when you're using a linux based PC will be tying a truck and a trailer with a thread.
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Got my new Galaxy Nexus today, and the day went pretty much playing with it.
One thing that I don't get is that if you're using Mac/OSX you need to download an OSX app from android.com to use USB Mass Storage mode in OSX.
Really Google? You really can't be serious with this BS towards OSX users
Google don't like apple simple and its vice versa
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Infra said:
Got my new Galaxy Nexus today, and the day went pretty much playing with it.
One thing that I don't get is that if you're using Mac/OSX you need to download an OSX app from android.com to use USB Mass Storage mode in OSX.
Really Google? You really can't be serious with this BS towards OSX users
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It's not that.. the nexus doesn't support USB mass storage.. it uses MTP (a microsoft protocol) for media transfer..
OS X doesn't have native MTP support like Windows does.. so google provides a program you can use to transfer files..
Infra said:
Got my new Galaxy Nexus today, and the day went pretty much playing with it.
One thing that I don't get is that if you're using Mac/OSX you need to download an OSX app from android.com to use USB Mass Storage mode in OSX.
Really Google? You really can't be serious with this BS towards OSX users
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As opposed to you really needing a clunky bloated itunes app to get any apple products working with windows
Andrmgic said:
It's not that.. the nexus doesn't support USB mass storage.. it uses MTP (a microsoft protocol) for media transfer..
OS X doesn't have native MTP support like Windows does.. so google provides a program you can use to transfer files..
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+1
This is the sad truth.. there is an advantage to it (which is why they chose to do it); the entire storage can be used for apps.
If it's a big issue for you, just wait until an ICS device with an SD card comes out. the SD card will allow regular USB mass storage (without any extra PC/Mac software)
Infra said:
Got my new Galaxy Nexus today, and the day went pretty much playing with it.
One thing that I don't get is that if you're using Mac/OSX you need to download an OSX app from android.com to use USB Mass Storage mode in OSX.
Really Google? You really can't be serious with this BS towards OSX users
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Just wait until Google's OSX app crashes for the n'th time in a row. Then you will really question Google's choice of MTP.
Google wrote that using this scheme allows Android to keep the drive mounted and provide access to the host. And with respect to MTP, well most people use Windows and MTP is well support on that platform.
Sigh...
i downloaded the app and haven't thought about it since. not a big deal.
eric b
I can't say i've really noticed it being a problem, it was the same with the xoom. It exactly the same process,just the 3 minutes it takes to download the app the first time that is the difference.
Not really a major issue.
There's also things like Wifi File explorer and also a DAV server - so you can mount the phone remotely as a drive - available on the android market.
No real need to use the cable, unless you're doing development with it.
Or you can run Windows in a VM on your MAC like I do. I need windows for certain apps so I have Parallels 6.0 and I get everything I need without compromise. The BLAME sites squarely with APPLE.
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As opposed to you really needing a clunky bloated itunes app to get any apple products working with windows
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lol so true
whats the name of the app in market place?
jeezy85 said:
whats the name of the app in market place?
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The app isn't downloaded to be used on the phone, its downloaded and used on the computer.
http://www.android.com/filetransfer/
thank u
That app seems to barely work for me with my tab 10.1. It worked fine at first, but now it never seems to work regardless of the ROM I'm using (which is typically stock). Hopefully the Nexus won't/doesn't have that problem.
If you're wondering, it doesn't show the data on the device. It just shows <none> for the folder and file.
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google Mobile/thread?tid=0c05526a9bdd1a92&hl=en
http://blog.surfsoftconsulting.com/2011/06/samsung-galaxy-tab-usb-issues-explaine/
Andrmgic said:
It's not that.. the nexus doesn't support USB mass storage.. it uses MTP (a microsoft protocol) for media transfer..
OS X doesn't have native MTP support like Windows does.. so google provides a program you can use to transfer files..
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MTP is NOT a Microsoft protocol (though might've been developed by them). It's a USB standard and has been since 2008. Apple has just been slow to implement it.
Infra said:
Got my new Galaxy Nexus today, and the day went pretty much playing with it.
One thing that I don't get is that if you're using Mac/OSX you need to download an OSX app from android.com to use USB Mass Storage mode in OSX.
Really Google? You really can't be serious with this BS towards OSX users
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There's a traumatic experience If I ever saw one.
Loves and kisses,
Mommy
First world problems, haha!
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Infra said:
Got my new Galaxy Nexus today, and the day went pretty much playing with it.
One thing that I don't get is that if you're using Mac/OSX you need to download an OSX app from android.com to use USB Mass Storage mode in OSX.
Really Google? You really can't be serious with this BS towards OSX users
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its actually a very basic app which simplifies transfer for many osx users. its not all that bad? why the rage! lol!
MrYuzhai said:
its actually a very basic app which simplifies transfer for many osx users. its not all that bad? why the rage! lol!
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Not raging, just wondering why it is this way. But I got good responses, and couple of idiots here also trying to boost their egos.
The thing why I'm complaining is that the app that google tells you to install, doesn't work very well It usually hangs on the first run, and you have to force-quit it, and open it again to get it working.
Is there any program I can install on Windows so I can browse file system?
Something like this http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&h...6&tbnw=150&start=0&ndsp=29&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0 for iphone.
Samsung makes software like that called Kies. It works on the sgs2...
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jordanishere said:
Samsung makes software like that called Kies. It works on the sgs2...
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does it work with Nexus?
smashcz said:
Is there any program I can install on Windows so I can browse file system?
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I use this and my desktop browser:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.dooblou.WiFiFileExplorerPRO&feature=search_result
This is no longer possible on ICS. I think Google made a BIG MISTAKE in ditching USB Mass Storage mode for the dumbed down modes we're forced to use.
Neo3D said:
This is no longer possible on ICS. I think Google made a BIG MISTAKE in ditching USB Mass Storage mode for the dumbed down modes we're forced to use.
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so there's no way to see system files on windows ?
okay, first off, do you mean the file system like the SD card where you put your data and where things are downloaded?
or do you mean the actual system folder with the Android OS and downloaded apps, because there is NO way to view that how your asking from a PC.
if you mean the SD card, you can view that just fine. plug the phone into your PC and it'll show up as Galaxy Nexus Internal Storage. the storage you see is equilivant to the SD card on older phones.
it uses MTP however instead of USB mass storage. there is a lot of stupid misconception about this.
MTP allows you to have your entire partition for whatever you want. you can have 16/32GB of apps, or 16/32Gb or your storage. Unlike previous android devices with had to have a set partition for apps and then another one for storage, which meant you could easily run out of space for apps. Like on my Nexus One which only had 198MB of space for apps. MTP also allows your phone to access all of the data while you have the phone connected to the PC.
The disadvantage to MTP is that it CAN be a little slower transferring, and some people have issues with it.
but all and all 90% of the *****ing about MTP is just that, *****ing. I've had no real issues at all with mine and i've transfered everything from music, to pictures to video.
only issues i've had is no thumbnails loading for anything in windows, and crashing when trying to transfer MKVs (which was fixed by erasing divx)
neok44 said:
or do you mean the actual system folder with the Android OS and downloaded apps, because there is NO way to view that how your asking from a PC.
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yes that's what i meant. I'm surprised there is no program like iphone has http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&h...6&tbnw=150&start=0&ndsp=29&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0
You dont need a silly program to view your iPhone files...just go into folder settings and allow hidden folders to be viewed. Everything will pop right up.
Could the same be done with the Nexus?
as far as i know, there is no way to access anything other than the /sdcard folder.
if you want access to the system files then you need to buy a root explorer/browser from the market and do everything no your phone.
I do that already since I no longer have a dedicated computer and only use my Toshiba thrive. Thanks for that. Ill test the hidden folder thing on Wednesday when I get my GNex
If you want to modify files on your gn over wifi check out airdroid. Its awsome.
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Hi, you can use DroidExplorer.
AndroidCommander is your friend
yzzor said:
Hi, you can use DroidExplorer.
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Thank you so much. Exactly what I was looking for.
d-iivil said:
AndroidCommander is your friend
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This is even better, thanks
I hate hate hate this MTP crap. Why do we need it? I know I read the same BS Google and samsung fed us but I want my mass storage support back. Give me the choice please and let me decide.
Anyways, I'm here to report that we finally have Ubuntu support. Ridiculous that a Linux based OS did not work with most popular distro. Now it does. It does not show the whole 32 GB and it's slow as molasses but we have MTP support right out of the box. Just male sure once installed, you update with the update manager.
I totally agree with you. However, mass storage mode is coming soon to CM9
Pat123 said:
I totally agree with you. However, mass storage mode is coming soon to CM9
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is that real? I love mass storage mod much more than MTP!!!
Pat123 said:
I totally agree with you. However, mass storage mode is coming soon to CM9
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Is this confirmed? I'm running CM9 nighlty with no sign of it.
will it works on ubuntu 11 or only 12 ?
loveubuntu said:
I hate hate hate this MTP crap. Why do we need it? I know I read the same BS Google and samsung fed us but I want my mass storage support back. Give me the choice please and let me decide.
Anyways, I'm here to report that we finally have Ubuntu support. Ridiculous that a Linux based OS did not work with most popular distro. Now it does. It does not show the whole 32 GB and it's slow as molasses but we have MTP support right out of the box. Just male sure once installed, you update with the update manager.
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Actually, it works fine with Linux. Us devs use it with Linux all the time and primarily.
Blame GNU/Linux for being slow to support MTP. This isn't the only device that uses it, you know.
Pat123 said:
I totally agree with you. However, mass storage mode is coming soon to CM9
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Don't get your hopes up. It's merged yes, but it doesn't change the fact that your primary volume doesn't support UMS and this change is only for devices that do. As far as I know there is still no way around the issue that we can't simply unmount /sdcard on our phones with /sdcard fused to /data/media. I guess we wont see this feature.
mtp is the only thing i would change my gnex (only for sgs2/3 of course!)
I used to be a huge MTP hater, but I think support for it will keep improving.
Pat123 said:
I totally agree with you. However, mass storage mode is coming soon to CM9
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Would you not have to make a new partition on a GN to get it to work???
loveubuntu said:
I hate hate hate this MTP crap. Why do we need it? I know I read the same BS Google and samsung fed us but I want my mass storage support back.
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Because partitions suck.
adrynalyne said:
Actually, it works fine with Linux. Us devs use it with Linux all the time and primarily.
Blame GNU/Linux for being slow to support MTP. This isn't the only device that uses it, you know.
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Ya but it's slooooooow. I use it two but as much as I hate I'd boot to xp and use it for large files or use wifi explorer.
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Bad implementations of MTP are slow... Windows XP work like magic, fast and reliable...
And really, I miss mass storage device capabilities, for sure, but, I really love having all my device internal memory available to do whatever I want, no need to care if that piece of software goes to sd, internal memory, if my internal memory is low and I still have 256TB in my "sd" partition, or, I have 1GB free in my "internal memory" and my "sd" partition is full and I would love to put some more MP3s...
My personal take on this, please complain to get better MTP support, not to have all headaches associated with partitions back... I would rather transfer files a lot slower through WiFi than having to deal with those memory management issues again.
loveubuntu said:
Ya but it's slooooooow. I use it two but as much as I hate I'd boot to xp and use it for large files or use wifi explorer.
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Well, blame whoever for the lack of good MTP support. It is not Android's fault
HinotoriBR said:
Bad implementations of MTP are slow... Windows XP work like magic, fast and reliable...
And really, I miss mass storage device capabilities, for sure, but, I really love having all my device internal memory available to do whatever I want, no need to care if that piece of software goes to sd, internal memory, if my internal memory is low and I still have 256TB in my "sd" partition, or, I have 1GB free in my "internal memory" and my "sd" partition is full and I would love to put some more MP3s...
My personal take on this, please complain to get better MTP support, not to have all headaches associated with partitions back... I would rather transfer files a lot slower through WiFi than having to deal with those memory management issues again.
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agreed agreed agreed. I guess MTP isn't as much as a problem as support for it in Linux. I'm sure the community will come up with something better soon. It really is a shame that I have to boot into my "lil" XP partition to move files when my powerful Linux can't do it.
loveubuntu said:
agreed agreed agreed. I guess MTP isn't as much as a problem as support for it in Linux. I'm sure the community will come up with something better soon. It really is a shame that I have to boot into my "lil" XP partition to move files when my powerful Linux can't do it.
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Try ptp instead.
I usually just use.
Code:
adb pull <remote> <local>
adb push <local> <remote>
MTP also works fine on Arch Linux.
I missed mass storage mode at first too, but for my day to day use it hasn't really been a problem.
I hope you are able to find a solution that works for you. Good luck.
adrynalyne said:
Try ptp instead.
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Ptp shows part of the storage. I really don't have a big problem. Just that I'd like to have mass storage choice.
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I ended up using QtADB
adrynalyne said:
Well, blame whoever for the lack of good MTP support. It is not Android's fault
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it kinda is. Google shouldn't have used a microsoft protocol. For us mac/linux users, it could (and did ) only lead to trouble. If there was no other protocol in place, they could have written their own and published drivers/... that work reliabely on all platforms, not just windows.
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BTW, have you guys tried mtpfs? (http://www.adebenham.com/mtpfs/)
It's a fuse mtp filesystem based on libmtp. I coulnd't get it work reliably on mac but apparently it works fine on linux.
It still confuses me as to why Samsung would chose not to include a physical SD card for the Nexus. The convenience of a removeable drive certainly outweigh a virtual one. It use to keep all sorts of different ROMs and stuff stored on my handful of memory cards.
I also just found out I can't transfer anything to my phone via USB on my work computer because it doesn't support MTP. Plus I can't reach 4g at my desk so downloading ROMs over 3g to my phone is going to be a royal PITA
SD cards slow down the phone. But I think there's a way to change the connection to mass storage when you connect to a pc.
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SD cards slow down the phone. But I think there's a way to change the connection to mass storage when you connect to a pc.
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no, there's not.
what type of work computer do you have? mac or a flavor of *nix?
I was always under the impression that the Nexus is a baseline phone of whats needed to run ICS so they didnt bother to put in a sd card
Zepius said:
no, there's not.
what type of work computer do you have? mac or a flavor of *nix?
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I've been able to transfer any file from windows 7 laptop to the GNex via USB cord. After plugging in, just tap the 'turn on mass storage mode' icon on the phone and you're in like flynn. I've moved over a few movies. Music was a pain all of mine is in wma format therefore I had to install google music on my laptop and upload my tunes into the cloud to access on my phone.
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I was always under the impression that the Nexus is a baseline phone of whats needed to run ICS so they didnt bother to put in a sd card
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no, its a unified storage. the phone system, apps, and personal data are on the same partition. this increases accessibility of data that is on the "sdcard"
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RawHideAndSeek said:
I've been able to transfer any file from windows 7 laptop to the GNex via USB cord. After plugging in, just tap the 'turn on mass storage mode' icon on the phone and you're in like flynn. I've moved over a few movies. Music was a pain all of mine is in wma format therefore I had to install google music on my laptop and upload my tunes into the cloud to access on my phone.
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there is no mass storage on the galaxy nexus.
I'm on a work PC so I'm stuck running Windows XP. It works just fine on my personal computers because they are up to date with the latest drivers. Although, it doesn't really matter cuz when I'm not working I have 4G or Wifi and I can just transfer via Solid Explorer...
Zepius said:
blah blah blah blah .....there is no mass storage on the galaxy nexus.
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Yes, there most certainly is.
Just because you don't know how to access it does not validate it's lack of existance.
Well, this doesn't resolve them from not having an SD Card but I was able to get around my main need for one. I basically just need a way to tinker with ROMs while I'm bored at work. Here's what I did:
1. Disable USB Debugging
2. Use MTP transfer
3. Plug into computer
4. Use File Explore to access Galaxy Media Device
5. Rename the file I want to transfer (usually .zip) to a ".mp3" file.
6. Move the file over
7. On my Nexus I used Solid Explorer to rename the file back to .zip
In Settings >> Storage >> ... >> USB Computer Connection, I see an option for Camera (PTP) with the description stating "Lets you transfer photos using camera software, and transfer any files on computers that don't support MTP" However I've never tried this option I always just use a WiFi connection.
3rdstring said:
In Settings >> Storage >> ... >> USB Computer Connection, I see an option for Camera (PTP) with the description stating "Lets you transfer photos using camera software, and transfer any files on computers that don't support MTP" However I've never tried this option I always just use a WiFi connection.
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Yeah, I tried that too. The files were all visible in explorer but everything was locked and it didn't actually allow me to transfer anything using it
cartisdm said:
I'm on a work PC so I'm stuck running Windows XP. It works just fine on my personal computers because they are up to date with the latest drivers. Although, it doesn't really matter cuz when I'm not working I have 4G or Wifi and I can just transfer via Solid Explorer...
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The computer I use at work is also running XP and has no issue recognizing my GNex when I plug it in.
more to the topic, i don't understand the lack of an sdcard, either. frankly, i fail to understand the rationale as to why one wouldn't be included. if it in any way had to do with read/write speeds, Sammy and Google clearly had to know about the new sdcards coming down the pike, with greatly enhanced read/write speeds. with Boot Manager, and the ability to flash numerous roms, the extra storage space would be nice because the ICS rom files are HUGE.
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more to the topic, i don't understand the lack of an sdcard, either. frankly, i fail to understand the rationale as to why one wouldn't be included. if it in any way had to do with read/write speeds, Sammy and Google clearly had to know about the new sdcards coming down the pike, with greatly enhanced read/write speeds. with Boot Manager, and the ability to flash numerous roms, the extra storage space would be nice because the ICS rom files are HUGE.
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The lack of ext sd was the deal breaker why I chose the i9100 over the Nexus.
If the next Nexus ships without ext sd then sadly I'm out for that phone too...
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Not quite sure why Sammy and Google would be concerned about the size of our ROM files and how to accomodate them.
n2ishun said:
Yes, there most certainly is.
Just because you don't know how to access it does not validate it's lack of existance.
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Are you trolling? You must be.
There is no such thing as a usb mass storage option on the Galaxy Nexus. Search and read up on what you find and you'll know that I'm right.
If you think I'm wrong, then post some proof. Good luck on that end.
HemRoyd said:
Not quite sure why Sammy and Google would be concerned about the size of our ROM files and how to accomodate them.
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i'm sure it wasn't at the top of their priority list. but, at the same time, they made a device without an OEM skin, and gave it an unlockable bootloader. they obviously knew that this would be a developer device. in fact, the Nexus line is generally known as a "developer device," hasn't it?! given the general overall outcry for storage space in smartphones, plus knowing that this would be a developer device, i would think that additional storage would have been something to consider. just my opinion...
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ccrows said:
The lack of ext sd was the deal breaker why I chose the i9100 over the Nexus.
If the next Nexus ships without ext sd then sadly I'm out for that phone too...
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it is disappointing, but wasn't a deal breaker for me. ext sd would have been an obvious plus, but 32 gb IS a lot of storage. but, can't really begrudge you for your choice. having to constantly worry about storage space is kind of a pita...
Theshawty said:
Are you trolling? You must be.
There is no such thing as a usb mass storage option on the Galaxy Nexus. Search and read up on what you find and you'll know that I'm right.
If you think I'm wrong, then post some proof. Good luck on that end.
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i think that too,he's trolling.
from months it is known that we haven't got mass storage mode,bt not only gnex users,all the honeycomb (or at least the major part..)tablets shipped last year,and all the phones shipped from gnex so on,has mtp storage connections and it's a standard that it's been choosed.i'm with that from last years on honeycomb and like that more than olders connections (pc suite\mass storage)
using win7 and all is ok,only prob is the transfer of many many small files,like icons,instead big files are very fast.heard of problems at using others OS,but luckly it's not my case...
ccrows said:
The lack of ext sd was the deal breaker why I chose the i9100 over the Nexus.
If the next Nexus ships without ext sd then sadly I'm out for that phone too...
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda premium
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here in italy,with slow connections,it's a pain to store music\images and files on web clouds...slow 3g and not extended wifi-zones me to have all the stuffs inside memory...it's for that that i miss a bit an external microSD.not a so big problem,at least not so big to move on gs2 or another smartphone.like a lot gnex,hate the form factory of gs2 and prefer at all chip\screen(type,resolution and size)\full-touch(no phisical buttons)and google experience debloated from the beginning,but this is another story.dislike as hell the stupid speaker inserted from samsung.I'd like to have a 32 gb version like yours...here in italy only 16 gb version,and with 13 gb when empty i need a little bit more..
Theshawty said:
Are you trolling? You must be.
There is no such thing as a usb mass storage option on the Galaxy Nexus. Search and read up on what you find and you'll know that I'm right.
If you think I'm wrong, then post some proof. Good luck on that end.
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[email protected]:/ # ls /mnt/sdcard
ls /mnt/sdcard
12f767e7a5d0.incremental.zip
12f767e7a5d0.signed-mysid-IMM76K-from-ICL53F.12f767e7.zip
Alarms
Android
DCIM
Download
Lumberjack
MIUI
Movies
Music
Notifications
Pictures
Podcasts
Ringtones
SpeedSoftware
TitaniumBackup
TitaniumBackup_license.txt
UltimateCustomClockWidget
WHS Phone
burstlyImageCache
cfg_dun_status
cfg_uart_sel
cfg_usb_sel
clockworkmod
cloudtv
com.maildroid.pro
data
documents
gameloft
lightflow
maildroid-settings.xml
misc
neocore
roms
su (1).zip
tmp.wav
uccwOutput
vrtheme-backup
yume_android_sdk
zedge
[email protected]:/ # ls /data/media
ls /data/media
12f767e7a5d0.incremental.zip
12f767e7a5d0.signed-mysid-IMM76K-from-ICL53F.12f767e7.zip
Alarms
Android
DCIM
Download
Lumberjack
MIUI
Movies
Music
Notifications
Pictures
Podcasts
Ringtones
SpeedSoftware
TitaniumBackup
TitaniumBackup_license.txt
UltimateCustomClockWidget
WHS Phone
burstlyImageCache
cfg_dun_status
cfg_uart_sel
cfg_usb_sel
clockworkmod
cloudtv
com.maildroid.pro
data
documents
gameloft
lightflow
maildroid-settings.xml
misc
neocore
roms
su (1).zip
tmp.wav
uccwOutput
vrtheme-backup
yume_android_sdk
zedge
I see a resemblance. As Theshawty said, provide proof or please stop trolling.
cartisdm said:
Yeah, I tried that too. The files were all visible in explorer but everything was locked and it didn't actually allow me to transfer anything using it
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Well, if you're running OS X like me, you can use the file transfer utility that google made: android.com/filetransfer
It can be a little temperamental but it will get the job done
So I have spent a long time chasing down what have turned out to be dead ends to try and achieve my goal and I am sure the masters of all things android can point me in the right direction!
Here is my setup; N7 2013 rooted lollipop 5.02 stock kernel 500gb seagate wireless, slimport, pair of wireless ps3 controllers. I love the idea of having an easy to transport arcade but the only hitch I am running into is the storage on this thing. I have tried this app, that app (mountmanager, andsmb, cifsmanager, etc.... trying to mount a wifi drive for hours to no avail. From what I have come to understand is that somewhere along the lines they did away with that and my only option is to reflash the rom back to....? I would be so very appreciative for someone to help me out with a plan of attack. The best I could figure was 4.1.2 would work as what is described in this post is what I am after;
google for "nexus-7-tutorial-mount-network-share-as-a-drive" [I could not post web link]
is there anything I might be missing? again, thanks a million and I really did try and do all my research before asking a potentially easy question, I am kind of a dinosaur now... hell, I am still using a blackberry to make phone calls this last month has been a crash course in androidology!
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Are you wanting to mount the drive to the device or just R/W media from it?
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Are you wanting to mount the drive to the device or just R/W media from it?
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I need for the applications to be able to see the files and folders on it. the apps in question being retroarch and mame4droid. Writing would be nice for save states. I thought it would be great if they had the ability to see the lan like es browser can...
Hmmmm that sounds pretty complicated. The only I think to do it is to manually move the save back and forth. I'm no expert and may be totally wrong but I believe most apps just request data to be saved and android does it so what you want to may be damn near impossible unless you can rewrite android save area to a new one, or reprogram the app to save in another place. Again this is just speculation and i t might be super easy, maybe someone with a little more expertise can correct me.
at this point, I know it was working as of 4.12 and the updates past that changed things and made this hard if not impossible. Search for the link to maybe understand more. I will let this question air out for a week as I dont want to hassle with reverting back to that rom, but if I have to, I absolutely will! my N7 would love to have 500gigs!
Iamsolost said:
at this point, I know it was working as of 4.12 and the updates past that changed things and made this hard if not impossible. Search for the link to maybe understand more. I will let this question air out for a week as I dont want to hassle with reverting back to that rom, but if I have to, I absolutely will! my N7 would love to have 500gigs!
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Just a heads up- anything you've read about it working with 4.1.2 is for the 2012 Nexus 7 only. The 2013 N7 shipped with 4.3 so all ROMs for it are 4.3 or later so unfortunately 4.1.2 is not an option for you. And I personally have never come across a mod like what you're looking for, for the 2013 N7. It would be pretty damn cool if we could do that though, for sure.
From reading that tutorial, it looks pretty simple. Did you get sharing to work OK on a home network to a PC. Since I don't know much about that seagate wireless device, I'm guessing that part of the issues are how it is configured.
You don't mention what sort of a network configuration you are using. For example, since that tutorial taked about using the IP address, you would need to make sure the drive is configured - and I would assume with a static IP address. That makes it harder to use in a more "portable" situation, since the networking might be tricky. The rest of it - mounting an SMB share (similar to a windows machines shared drive) seems straight forward...
I may play with this (using a PC share) just to see...
Cheers
sbaeder said:
From reading that tutorial, it looks pretty simple. Did you get sharing to work OK on a home network to a PC. Since I don't know much about that seagate wireless device, I'm guessing that part of the issues are how it is configured.
You don't mention what sort of a network configuration you are using. For example, since that tutorial taked about using the IP address, you would need to make sure the drive is configured - and I would assume with a static IP address. That makes it harder to use in a more "portable" situation, since the networking might be tricky. The rest of it - mounting an SMB share (similar to a windows machines shared drive) seems straight forward...
I may play with this (using a PC share) just to see...
Cheers
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He's not planning on using it for simple file storage, he wants to actually mount it as another system drive and be able to run stuff off it just like it's part of the system. I do not believe it's currently possible.
Well, looking around more, you need to have the right kernel, and both of the main "custom" kernels for Lollipop (ElementalX and Glitch) do *NOT* have CIFS support. ElementalX had it for the KK releases, so all the tools that help you mount a shared drive will fail.
So, looks like it's 4.4.x for you!...and you will need a custom kernel as well. Even then, are you sure you can use the mounted directory for what you want? May not be where those games, etc. expect to see files...
Anyway, good luck
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He's not planning on using it for simple file storage, he wants to actually mount it as another system drive and be able to run stuff off it just like it's part of the system. I do not believe it's currently possible.
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There are two issues here...1) can you even mount it at all - if it is "MOUNTED", then it's visible, and I understand that he doesn't want an intermediate program (like a file browser) in the middle. BUT...2) can his applications use it - i.e. can it be mounted as an overlay or as if it was an SD Card, etc.
If you can't even do #1, #2 is moot
sbaeder said:
Well, looking around more, you need to have the right kernel, and both of the main "custom" kernels for Lollipop (ElementalX and Glitch) do *NOT* have CIFS support. ElementalX had it for the KK releases, so all the tools that help you mount a shared drive will fail.
So, looks like it's 4.4.x for you!...and you will need a custom kernel as well. Even then, are you sure you can use the mounted directory for what you want? May not be where those games, etc. expect to see files...
Anyway, good luck
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There are two issues here...1) can you even mount it at all - if it is "MOUNTED", then it's visible, and I understand that he doesn't want an intermediate program (like a file browser) in the middle. BUT...2) can his applications use it - i.e. can it be mounted as an overlay or as if it was an SD Card, etc.
If you can't even do #1, #2 is moot
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Yeah that's why I said I don't think it's possible.
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_MetalHead_ said:
Yeah that's why I said I don't think it's possible.
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So I am trying to figure out if you are saying its not doable or...? When I mount a SDcard with an otg cable [using stickmount] it mounts just fine to a place where the apps (emulators) can find and access it. If I went to KK 4.4 and threw on elementalx... you are saying I may have another problem here?
BTW, thanks you guys for looking into this again! I feel like I am just one step away from a truly amazing setup!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58032907&postcount=2
I haven't tried it yet, but I'm going to give it a whirl tonight.
Iamsolost said:
So I am trying to figure out if you are saying its not doable or...? When I mount a SDcard with an otg cable [using stickmount] it mounts just fine to a place where the apps (emulators) can find and access it. If I went to KK 4.4 and threw on elementalx... you are saying I may have another problem here?
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No, what *I* was saying that that you need to make sure a "mounted" drive can be used. If it can't, it doesn't matter if you get it to work.
So, YES, if you go back to KK, and to something like ElementalX, then MAYBE you can get it to mount. Or as stated, Try CYANOGEN...they have the CIFS modules in the kernel, so you don't have to try to find the right one and "insmod" them (i.e. dynamically load them).