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How will XDA handle Windows RT?

As you may know, there has been an official statement saying what editions of windows 8 there will be.
For x86, there will be two available to consumers (standard and pro) and one available only for volume licensing (enterprise).
Windows 8 ARM, often called WoA, has officially been named Windows RT. It will not carry the name "8" at all.
How will XDA handle this? There is already a Windows 8 forum on XDA, but this is a mobile development site, and Windows 8 will me mainly geared towards desktops and laptops. There will be some x86 tablets but most expect the new windows tablets to mainly run on ARM. Windows RT will be mostly tablets and some laptops.
Microsoft has also previously stated that windows phone 8 will be its own operating system, and will not be the same as WoA, now to be referred to as Windows RT (just pointing this out to avoid confusion)
So, a few options I can see happening:
-the Windows 8 forum being changed to windows RT, as this is a mobile site, and not having a windows 8 forum
-the windows 8 forum being kept, as there will be some mobile devices running it, and a windows RT forum being created as well, since they're different OSes
-making windows 8 have two main sections - x86 and RT (since they can run the same programs and share a lot of code)
What do you think will happen, and why?
And if anyone involved in the decision making process sees this, I'd love to hear your thoughts.

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juzz86 said:
Windows Really Terrible?
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Or simply windows Runtime. Indeed the branding can be confusing. ARM was fine. They could have gone for something simpler in their communication: Windows Tablet ...

Not sure it's a huge priority tbh...
Once we start to see what's coming out, I guess a decision will be made about if only the ARM version will be covered...
I could imagine something like a Windows 8 category (like a device appears as a category), with 2 subforums - ARM Devices and x86 Devices...
Just an idea, but not a major priority AFAIK. Guess it's a case of seeing how things go.

runje said:
Or simply windows Runtime. Indeed the branding can be confusing. ARM was fine. They could have gone for something simpler in their communication: Windows Tablet ...
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I like Windows ARM. WARM. It's all fuzzy
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Does Surface RT deserve to buy?

Hey guys
I love its design,but I know windows RT does not support X86 apps. This is my concern.Compared to app store, windows market sucks.I recently learnt that there is a way to root windows RT and make it launch x86 apps. Did anyone try? Can I launch full version chrome or XBMC on rooted windows RT?

Alexsandra said:
Hey guys
I love its design,but I know windows RT does not support X86 apps. This is my concern.Compared to app store, windows market sucks.I recently learnt that there is a way to root windows RT and make it launch x86 apps. Did anyone try? Can I launch full version chrome or XBMC on rooted windows RT?
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First of all, this belongs in Surface General, not RT development. Secondly, there is a thread where you can see what apps have been tried, and how they worked (don't expect much at all right now): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2095934 also realize that development is ongoing. There is also a thread for native app ports: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348
I personally recommend the Surface very much if you are a student (Office is preloaded) and don't NEED to run any desktop apps, like Photoshop. Go for it!

C-Lang said:
First of all, this belongs in Surface General, not RT development. Secondly, there is a thread where you can see what apps have been tried, and how they worked (don't expect much at all right now): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2095934 also realize that development is ongoing. There is also a thread for native app ports: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348
I personally recommend the Surface very much if you are a student (Office is preloaded) and don't NEED to run any desktop apps, like Photoshop. Go for it!
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Thanks. I am not a student. I just want to try a new style stuff. I own a iPad2,but you know it doesn't work like a real laptop.

Alexsandra said:
Did anyone try? Can I launch full version chrome or XBMC on rooted windows RT?
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Estimated x86 performance is about 0.1Ghz. Microsoft DOS era basically. So no, chrome and XBMC will not work via x86 emulation. Notepad or something along the lines of the original doom *may* work.
The jailbreak does not allow running of x86 programs. It allows running on 3rd party applications on the desktop of which just one is an x86 emulator.
Your best hope is for chromium (open source builds of chrome) or XBMC to be ported to RT natively. Chromium is definitely being worked on but has a huge list of dependencies and is an incredibly complicated piece of software believe it or not. XBMC I honestly have no idea if anyone is working on that, it also has a horrific list of dependancies I think.
x86 emulation on RT is awesome but your best bet is for people to release native ARM builds for applications and they will be far and few in between. If you dont want to wait for that then look at an intel atom powered tablet running full windows 8.

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SixSixSevenSeven said:
Estimated x86 performance is about 0.1Ghz. Microsoft DOS era basically. So no, chrome and XBMC will not work via x86 emulation. Notepad or something along the lines of the original doom *may* work.
The jailbreak does not allow running of x86 programs. It allows running on 3rd party applications on the desktop of which just one is an x86 emulator.
Your best hope is for chromium (open source builds of chrome) or XBMC to be ported to RT natively. Chromium is definitely being worked on but has a huge list of dependencies and is an incredibly complicated piece of software believe it or not. XBMC I honestly have no idea if anyone is working on that, it also has a horrific list of dependancies I think.
x86 emulation on RT is awesome but your best bet is for people to release native ARM builds for applications and they will be far and few in between. If you dont want to wait for that then look at an intel atom powered tablet running full windows 8.
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Or go with a Surface Pro and you can have everything you want

SixSixSevenSeven said:
Your best hope is for chromium (open source builds of chrome) or XBMC to be ported to RT natively. Chromium is definitely being worked on but has a huge list of dependencies and is an incredibly complicated piece of software believe it or not. XBMC I honestly have no idea if anyone is working on that, it also has a horrific list of dependancies I think.
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XBMC requires a number of libraries that only build with GCC.

forget about it
I have already given up RT device after I read your replies. It looks like that Surface pro is my best option,but it doesnt have slim body and long-lasting battery(compared to iPad,it sucks). I dont think of any atom device due to its poor performance. Hoping one day surface pro could be a amazing device that owns slim body and long-lasting battery and high performance.

Atom CPUs will generally perform similarly or slightly better than ARM ones (iPads, incidentally, use ARM, as does Windows RT). I believe there are benchmarks that you can use to compare the performance of different tablets, including the iPad and various Atom models, if performance is such a concern to you.

Alexsandra said:
I have already given up RT device after I read your replies. It looks like that Surface pro is my best option,but it doesnt have slim body and long-lasting battery(compared to iPad,it sucks). I dont think of any atom device due to its poor performance. Hoping one day surface pro could be a amazing device that owns slim body and long-lasting battery and high performance.
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You could definitely go with an atom device. They will have enough power for everyday tasks (unless you use something like PhotoShop). Also I've seen videos and benchmarks, and it boots faster, and runs at about equivalent speed as Windows RT. Good luck in your search! :fingers-crossed: Oh, and the best thing you could do is walk into a Microsoft store and try everything out! :good:

Even the cedar trail atoms seem pretty competitive performance wise with my 5 year old laptop (which does get the usual disk cleanups, defrags and removal of any bloat I find etc). Let alone the clover trails in these windows 8 tablets. Took my laptop round a mates to compare with his netbook, found that the cedar trail was universally slower which was obvious but by surprisingly negligible amounts. Minecraft had a 2fps difference, Visual studio for the same solution file took 0.2 seconds longer to compile, boot times were identical, time to load a 5000 character open office document (same one of course) in libre office was immeasurably different.
1.6ghz dual core with hyper threading and 2gb of RAM vs a 2ghz intel celeron single core without any hyperthreading and 3gb of RAM (well, Its registered in windows as not having hyperthreading, there isnt a bios option for it either). Both were of course using the normal intel integrated graphics.
Honestly, people say that the atom is slow, celeron must also be slow (which it probably is, mine is 5 years old and was hardly cutting edge at the time).
Personally I am looking at getting an intel atom powered device, unless someone manages to release an i5 device with a decent battery at a low price which they won't, besides, I dont need that boost in power. Everything that does need that much power I can do on my desktop.

Looking into a Windows RT Tablet perhaps....

So I want to get a Windows 8 tablet. I currently have a Asus TF300T (android) and I'm not quite happy with it. I want something that's actually productive. I do a bit of photography and saw that you can connect to a desktop with your tablet and work remotely (I need to look more into this) I figure I could use this and not actually put the images on the tablet or Lightroom. The only thing I see a draw back with the Surface RT is no pen support this is something I would really like. Does anybody have any suggestions on an RT or full windows tablet that has pen support. I'm looking at used Surface RT tablets for around $300 and would like to keep it around there. I have also seen the original Surface Pro for around $500 ( at that price I'm going to have to convince the wife )

You can connect to desktop the same way both from Android and Windows RT. There's official Remote Desktop app from Microsoft in Play store. And I don't think that it will be fast enough to work with Lightroom without any lags and other problems.
Windows RT is locked platform, without jailbreak you can use only ModernUI apps (+these few desktop ones that are included in OS), after jailbreaking a couple more that were recompiled to ARM archtecture.
If you like hacking your device, like in Windows Mobile times, it may be good for you. But if it's all about working through remote desktop - first try to use this on your Transformer.
There's no WinRT tablet with pen support, sorry. Also, if you're thinking about working remotely with magnetic pen - this will just not work. You need to buy something with x86, like Surface Pro and use your software directly on it.

kitor said:
There's no WinRT tablet with pen support, sorry
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WinRT != Windows RT.

I wouldn't recommend the Surface
bucket81 said:
So I want to get a Windows 8 tablet. I currently have a Asus TF300T (android) and I'm not quite happy with it. I want something that's actually productive. I do a bit of photography and saw that you can connect to a desktop with your tablet and work remotely (I need to look more into this) I figure I could use this and not actually put the images on the tablet or Lightroom. The only thing I see a draw back with the Surface RT is no pen support this is something I would really like. Does anybody have any suggestions on an RT or full windows tablet that has pen support. I'm looking at used Surface RT tablets for around $300 and would like to keep it around there. I have also seen the original Surface Pro for around $500 ( at that price I'm going to have to convince the wife )
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Unless you really need Microsoft Word 2013, the Surface has nothing on Android. If I had known, I would have gotten the $500 Pro before the $200 RT. The Pro allows you to run non-Windows-Store apps so this means you could, in essence, install, say, a device that Microsoft doesn't include drivers for.

kitor said:
You can connect to desktop the same way both from Android and Windows RT. There's official Remote Desktop app from Microsoft in Play store. And I don't think that it will be fast enough to work with Lightroom without any lags and other problems.
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Also check out Splashtop, which works on Windows 8/RT, Windows Phone, Android, and iOS and actually streams from your desktop computer at low latency. It has a mode for quality and a mode for speed, so you can select the one the suits your task. It is fast enough to play games with, though you usually have to run them in windowed mode since it can only capture full-screen video content from certain Nvidia graphics cards.
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Unless you really need Microsoft Word 2013, the Surface has nothing on Android. If I had known, I would have gotten the $500 Pro before the $200 RT. The Pro allows you to run non-Windows-Store apps so this means you could, in essence, install, say, a device that Microsoft doesn't include drivers for.
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I'd argue they have pretty close feature parity. Most apps for Android have an equivalent on the Windows Store, or a web-based equivalent. Windows 8 RT has much much better file browsing capabilities since you can use the full windows file browser in desktop mode. I don't know of any Android tablets that have a full usb port, and Windows RT supports many more devices. A Windows RT device operates as a standalone computer, one which you could connect your cell phone to transfer files, back-up, or otherwise administer it (or your Android tablet for that matter). Especially for a photographer, being able to connect an external media card reader or directly to the camera is a huge plus. Personally, I think the Windows 8/Metro interface is much cleaner and more fluid than Android's (I hate icon-grid layouts). So, I'm not sure where you are coming from saying Surface has "nothing on Android". It's quite competitive.

I just meant in the sense that RT is still fairly new and Android is already matured, with loads more apps. You are right about the USB port, though.

RT also has much better multitasking, especially if jailbroken and using desktop apps. Browser + text editor + IM client + calculator all on the screen at once, with a Skype call in the background? No problem.
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Windows 10 on tab s 10.5 wifi posebile or not

Microsoft anounced that windows 10 will support tablets including android tablets have it from an pcwelt video german
comlete feature list windows 10
http://www.pcwelt.de/ratgeber/Windo...Windows-10-Funktionen-Windows-10-9602942.html
you think it woud be posebile to install it in the tab s
dual boot woud be the best 1 android and 1 windows

As of right now not possible, but never say never!

No. Microsoft has ceased all development on the ARM version of windows, aka Windows RT. The new Windows 10 will only run on x86 hardware, which means you will need an android tablet with a Intel processor to install Windows 10. The Galaxy Tab S uses an ARM processor, hence it is not compatible.

snapper.fishes said:
No. Microsoft has ceased all development on the ARM version of windows, aka Windows RT. The new Windows 10 will only run on x86 hardware, which means you will need an android tablet with a Intel processor to install Windows 10. The Galaxy Tab S uses an ARM processor, hence it is not compatible.
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This is not correct I am afraid. They made windows 10 running on Xiaomi MI4. The phone has Snapdragon 801 ARM proc. See the link below..
http://www.loadthegame.com/2015/03/26/xiaomi-mi4-running-windows-phone-spotted-in-the-wild/

shadow78 said:
This is not correct I am afraid. They made windows 10 running on Xiaomi MI4. The phone has Snapdragon 801 ARM proc. See the link below..
http://www.loadthegame.com/2015/03/26/xiaomi-mi4-running-windows-phone-spotted-in-the-wild/
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That's Windows Phone, which is different from Windows 10. I haven't heard anything about Microsoft merging Windows 10 and Windows Phone.

snapper.fishes said:
That's Windows Phone, which is different from Windows 10. I haven't heard anything about Microsoft merging Windows 10 and Windows Phone.
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Wow are you retarded? (No offense ) Windows 10 is the same across all platforms and no that is not Windows Phone on Mi4 it is Windows 10 running on it. Windows 10 is also coming to Raspberry Pi 2 which is running an ARM Processor too. Microsoft want's to make a Windows 10 ROM to get more people on it. So yes it is possible to be running on the Tab S but I'm unsure about Samsung's Exynos.

shadow78 said:
This is not correct I am afraid. They made windows 10 running on Xiaomi MI4. The phone has Snapdragon 801 ARM proc. See the link below..
http://www.loadthegame.com/2015/03/26/xiaomi-mi4-running-windows-phone-spotted-in-the-wild/
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feature which will most likely expand to all Android smartphones in the future
in the same aticle never say never
i hope we can don an dual boot with this woud be awesome 1 android 1 windows swith store

Kahun said:
Wow are you retarded? (No offense ) Windows 10 is the same across all platforms and no that is not Windows Phone on Mi4 it is Windows 10 running on it. Windows 10 is also coming to Raspberry Pi 2 which is running an ARM Processor too. Microsoft want's to make a Windows 10 ROM to get more people on it. So yes it is possible to be running on the Tab S but I'm unsure about Samsung's Exynos.
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According to PC msg we are both retards.
http://asia.pcmag.com/microsoft-sur...indows-rt-is-dead-but-microsoft-hasnt-learned
According to the article there are two versions of Windows 10. The first one is the normal desktop Windows, which is direct successor of the (/sarcasm) beloved Windows 8 (/endsarcasm). The second version is a mobile version that runs on both x86 and ARM, but presumably has a smaller footprint and optimised for touch screen control. In order words, it is Windows Phone in all but name.
Running x86 software on ARM isn't impossible, but incredible costly. The ARM processor would have to emulate the x86 hardware, and all hardware emulations are expensive (in terms of processing power and not money). Anyone who had ever used the android emulator that comes with the android development kit knows how painfully slow it is even on a i7 CPU. Trying to run a legacy Windows x86 software on a weaker ARM processor would be insane.

snapper.fishes said:
According to PC msg we are both retards.
http://asia.pcmag.com/microsoft-sur...indows-rt-is-dead-but-microsoft-hasnt-learned
According to the article there are two versions of Windows 10. The first one is the normal desktop Windows, which is direct successor of the (/sarcasm) beloved Windows 8 (/endsarcasm). The second version is a mobile version that runs on both x86 and ARM, but presumably has a smaller footprint and optimised for touch screen control. In order words, it is Windows Phone in all but name.
Running x86 software on ARM isn't impossible, but incredible costly. The ARM processor would have to emulate the x86 hardware, and all hardware emulations are expensive (in terms of processing power and not money). Anyone who had ever used the android emulator that comes with the android development kit knows how painfully slow it is even on a i7 CPU. Trying to run a legacy Windows x86 software on a weaker ARM processor would be insane.
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To be honest we can't say anything until Microsoft releases Windows 10 later this year!

Kahun said:
To be honest we can't say anything until Microsoft releases Windows 10 later this year!
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jes but i still hope it will work woud be great

Windows 10 on Tab s 10.5
Kahun said:
Wow are you retarded? (No offense ) Windows 10 is the same across all platforms and no that is not Windows Phone on Mi4 it is Windows 10 running on it. Windows 10 is also coming to Raspberry Pi 2 which is running an ARM Processor too. Microsoft want's to make a Windows 10 ROM to get more people on it. So yes it is possible to be running on the Tab S but I'm unsure about Samsung's Exynos.
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Where Where Where can I find a tutorial on installing windows 10 on my Tab S? I really want to be able to install netbeans because my freakin laptop got stolen and all I can use is AIDE right now.
Please Help!!!

Completely different platforms, it's not a pc.
If it can eventually be emulated on an android tablet I doubt it will be much use.

TacoMeatDaGod said:
Where Where Where can I find a tutorial on installing windows 10 on my Tab S? I really want to be able to install netbeans because my freakin laptop got stolen and all I can use is AIDE right now.
Please Help!!!
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You won't get Windows 10 on it as theres no drivers

How come this guys can?
www indiegogo com/projects/magicstick-most-powerful-pc-stick-8gb-ram/x/12430960

How can i install windows 10 on samsung tab s?

TurboProgramming said:
How can i install windows 10 on samsung tab s?
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Guess you didn't read the entire thread...YOU CAN NOT INSTALL WIN 10 ON YOUR 10.5 Tab S
2 Biggest reasons why not:
You don't have the proper processor in the 10.5
You'll most likely never get any drivers for the hardware in it

worth Surface RT in 2019?

Hello, i Want to know if a surface rt is useful today, what can achieve with jailbreak?
THX

vadash said:
Hello, i Want to know if a surface rt is useful today, what can achieve with jailbreak?
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If all you use it for is Microsoft Office and the occasional bing search, I'd say go for it. It's a great tablet. If you want to do anything more, get something else

not much. e.g., you are stuck with Internet Explorer for web browsing (which is not even compatible with some web sites nowadays).
jailbroken RT will allow you running any win32 binaries compiled for ARM (mostly free/opensource software). However you are still stuck with Visual Studio 2012 for development/compiling.
getting an windows 10 tablet with intel atom processor is probably a much better choice.