ELA Automotive UI 1.1| Designed for Nexus 7 and More
This is the final pre-release version/proof of concept designed on Nexus7 Root or Non Root
The first downloadable automotive UI designed by car enthusiasts for car enthusiasts
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The Official Google+ Page for All Current Progress:
If you are Dev or supporter who wants to be apart of beta sign up here:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/113311500150881499544
Kickstarter Project to fund all development for Android and Windows CE devices starts 2/22/2013 | This is a private venture, not a corporate effort.
THIS IS A CALL FOR HELP FROM ANY AND ALL AUTOMOTIVE LOVERS AND DEVELOPERS FOR HELP TO GET THIS FINISHED.
There will be a job posting on XDA this week with more info.
What is ELA?
Full Video and Demo
ELA is a downloadable touch screen interface on your Android Device or WinCE Hardware that makes the hardware easier to use while in a moving vehicle.
E – Elegant
L – Logical
A – Adaptive
Touch screen systems in cars have become either so difficult to use or don’t have the features needed to keep the current crop of tech drivers happy. Automotive manufacturers don’t have the resources or desire to create open source setups as of yet to make the cars we are driving today updatable or upgradable for the life of the car. The design and concepts of ELA were created by the automotive enthusiasts with a focus on ease of use. The UI (User Interface) is designed to be for the novice or hard core geeks.
Why?
Because there is so much the android platform can offer for next to no cost. The features that we can add to our vehicles is endless, keeping the tech in the car relevant while not having to spent more on the factory options for NAV etc. that will be out dated in just a year or two.
Features:
Fluid elegant interface
Large easy to access icons and layout for moving vehicles
Designed around most proposed federal safety standards
Gesture support
Simply and intuitive operation with little or no knowledge tech knowledge required
Extensive and exhaustive customization ability
All android functionality intact, no handicaps
History:
Design Started 2 years ago and has reached the level where demand has out stripped the capabilities of one person.
5000 Windows CE Downloads for Hyundai Veloster
Performance Meter Demo at 10:40:
http://youtu.be/17fo2DT-77U?t=10m40s
Whether or not you want to help or not with the project I'd like feedback.
The XDA community is probably one of the most hard core, so I value all opinions.
Does this have any Bluetooth OBDII options? If so I would like to try it. Think you can just attach the beta version here?
*Edit - I see in the video that it does have OBDII options.
r00t4rd3d said:
Does this have any Bluetooth OBDII options? If so I would like to try it. Think you can just attach the beta version here?
*Edit - I see in the video that it does have OBDII options.
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I will post up the beta versions on here for sure, just need to get the initial work done. Yes the OBD2/BT support is all dependent on your tablet you use.
Which basically every Android device for the most part does not have any issues with. Nexus 7 obviously does but that's more with Audio.
I love the look of it. It makes me want to make a mount for it in my car
It's going to be a lot of work to garner the support have to raise awareness. I think car people once they see it will want it.
Here are two more quick themed looks:
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Having wasted money before on a kickstarter software project (hint: learn about the Chameleon Android launcher fiasco) I'd warn folks away from supporting them via kickstarter.
That said it does look like a great concept and I hope it develops into a real product.
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bsoplinger said:
Having wasted money before on a kickstarter software project (hint: learn about the Chameleon Android launcher fiasco) I'd warn folks away from supporting them via kickstarter.
That said it does look like a great concept and I hope it develops into a real product.
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What do you think the best way of doing it or getting support/hiring is?
I have never had such a hard time gather developers for a project before.
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I'll stick with my carpc before hacking my N7 into use as an automotive media system.
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What do you think the best way of doing it or getting support/hiring is?
I have never had such a hard time gather developers for a project before.
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I can't offer any useful advice and do hope you can find folks somehow. The old fashioned way of going door to door to venture capital people with a business plan is fine for a small business but it's total overkill for the type of thing you want to do so I can really understand the appeal of what kickstarter offers.
I just learned the hard way about kickstarter. You can't get any money back because the site itself in the fine print explicitly spells out that nothing is guaranteed. And the site people don't seem to provide any policing of projects. I assume it's because they make their money by taking a cut of the funds pledged.
As long as the people pledging funds realize that the money can just as easily be spent on an overseas vacation as for the actual reason being pledged and that there are no guarantees at all I don't have any objection to the idea. And I've seen some good projects but they were all material based not intellectual based.
If I saw an honest appeal for a software or even a hardware based project that relied on software that said something along the lines of "we are going to try this but it may be a complete flop" in their appeal I'd be more willing to support kickstarter projects. Obviously it wouldn't be as blunt as what I offered but I'm just looking for a bit more honesty about projects. A pledge of even $20-30 shouldn't break most people's bank so it's not a major deal. But I really dislike feeling like I've been a sucker.
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I can't offer any useful advice and do hope you can find folks somehow. The old fashioned way of going door to door to venture capital people with a business plan is fine for a small business but it's total overkill for the type of thing you want to do so I can really understand the appeal of what kickstarter offers.
I just learned the hard way about kickstarter. You can't get any money back because the site itself in the fine print explicitly spells out that nothing is guaranteed. And the site people don't seem to provide any policing of projects. I assume it's because they make their money by taking a cut of the funds pledged.
As long as the people pledging funds realize that the money can just as easily be spent on an overseas vacation as for the actual reason being pledged and that there are no guarantees at all I don't have any objection to the idea. And I've seen some good projects but they were all material based not intellectual based.
If I saw an honest appeal for a software or even a hardware based project that relied on software that said something along the lines of "we are going to try this but it may be a complete flop" in their appeal I'd be more willing to support kickstarter projects. Obviously it wouldn't be as blunt as what I offered but I'm just looking for a bit more honesty about projects. A pledge of even $20-30 shouldn't break most people's bank so it's not a major deal. But I really dislike feeling like I've been a sucker.
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That is very helpful thanks for that insight. This seems to be the hardest part of all of this. I am trying to gather as much interest and support from people before getting down to the nitty gritty of that.
phillip1953 said:
I'll stick with my carpc before hacking my N7 into use as an automotive media system.
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You are not really hacking it, its just a straight install you don't even need root.
And when you pull it out of the car you can easily go back to the N7 UI or whatever tablet UI you use.
Seems like a good idea. Can't do anything else but tell you to keep up the good work and hope you get what you need.
I wish you the best of luck with this. I just got a N7 today and will be doing a custom fiberglass mount into my car so I can mainly utilize Google Music and not have to transfer music all the time. I saw the ELA project and it looks amazing. Hopefully this evolves into something awesome!
Thanks for the support, I hope it works out and helps everyone who uses Android in their car,
Been following development on the g+ page, hopefully you can get people on board that are able to assist. Perhaps speaking to one of the Mods/Admins and see if a "call for Developers" can be made on the front page. I don't know but i think this is a great concept not only for the car but i see it useful in the home as a media center ui. Too bad i don't code or i would've jumped at the chance to help out.Good luck!!
Great idea. I'm a big car person. Unfortunately not a developer, I would love be your beta tester and give u feedback. Is it still alive? Haven't seen any update
It looks like this project may be dead. It's possible the dev was not able to continue due to personal or other reasons.
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chozyn said:
It looks like this project may be dead. It's possible the dev was not able to continue due to personal or other reasons.
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I had paid 2 devs to help with the project and they did not get to where I wanted it. After dumping that money and still not getting anymore help, I have backed off. Seems like there is a good user base who wants it but it aint free to do,
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I had paid 2 devs to help with the project and they did not get to where I wanted it. After dumping that money and still not getting anymore help, I have backed off. Seems like there is a good user base who wants it but it aint free to do,
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And why don't you put the code for experienced people continue this fantastic job?
Don't let it die. A lot of car android based head units are coming ( including using phones or tv sticks on pioneer appradios by mirroring)
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why is there so much hate about wp7 in its own forum? i dont own one, but cmon guys, why so much negativity?!
sort of like asking why the ocean is blue... noone really knows.
(the ocean is blue due to the sunlight... )
For some reason, the people that seem to hate WP7 the most are Android fans.
There almost is an inability by some to acknowledge that different intelligent people could possibly have opinions that differ from their own.
This isn't true of a majority of Android fans of course, but the people that seem to have the most deep seated animosity towards WP7 happen to often be Android fans.
I don't hate Win 7, I just luv Android..................
so far for most of the users who bought the phone loved it. then again, dont we mostly love the phones we buy no mater what brand or os.
wp7 being a new os, im just waiting to see what devs will support it before i truly consider buying it.
It's Kinda Complicated...
This is a tough one but let me share why I feel this happens. XDA was the place to go for anything cool on Windows Mobile. Windows Mobile had alot of homebrew support and indie developer applications which you could find out about here. It was a very hacked open platform. Then Microsoft started talking about Windows Phone 7 and moved away from that community kind of alienating it a bit. Around that time that community started to move to the new hacked open playground being the Android platform. That being said after years of trying to explain all the cool things they were doing like free tethering for example with Windows Mobile to and defending themselves from the casual mobs of iSheep they still like to come back here and vent by hating on Windows Phone 7 for being the bastard successor to their former beloved mobile OS. A bit dramtically expressed by just what I am seeing.
Android fanboys.
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Android fanboys.
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Pretty much this.
Interesting thing is that even iPhone users seem to like WP7, so it must be the Android users...And I thought the apple gang was bad. This is just like discussing operating systems with 14 year old Linux users
Anyone can extend to WP7? LOL
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This is a tough one but let me share why I feel this happens. XDA was the place to go for anything cool on Windows Mobile. Windows Mobile had alot of homebrew support and indie developer applications which you could find out about here. It was a very hacked open platform. Then Microsoft started talking about Windows Phone 7 and moved away from that community kind of alienating it a bit. Around that time that community started to move to the new hacked open playground being the Android platform. That being said after years of trying to explain all the cool things they were doing like free tethering for example with Windows Mobile to and defending themselves from the casual mobs of iSheep they still like to come back here and vent by hating on Windows Phone 7 for being the bastard successor to their former beloved mobile OS. A bit dramatically expressed by just what I am seeing.
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Damned good point.
As someone who joined the Good Ship CE back in the days of the Jornada (and then WM with the Blue Angel) I guess there are quite a few of us who do feel that we have been abandoned by MS. We spent years being mocked and derided by others for wanting to have internet access and stoopidly large screens.
I appreciate that MS exist to make profit rather than entertain us, but at some point I will have to join the legions of WP. I don't want an Iphone or android so I have little choice.
If I am being honest part of my reluctance is the result of the fact that as I browse through this forum I am greeted by posts bragging about game scores or that are full of people slagging each other off. Just something I am not used to (here on XDA) and seems to go hand in hand with my concerns about dumbing down. Frankly this section of XDA is too often childish and *****y
Sadly it does seem that any dissenting voices are pooh-poohed as being WM haters. This is patiently daft.
I have been called a troll and android fan boy for whining about the lack of tethering and so forth.
So... getting back to the OP's question much of the criticism of WM is not indeed hate but disappointment at finding that MS have removed many of the features that we, as potential owners, had expected to be de facto.
I would argue the android comment. I'm on android now, but it was a protest against win phone 7.....because I loved winmo. Win phone is opposite direction.
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+103399558877655. These little Gaydroid lovin kiddies just can't help themselves...
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Pretty much.
It's funny; my good friend is a hardcore Android user.
We've compared my Focus to his Captivate several times. I do like Android and the Captivate but when it comes down to it, they're sorta the same thing.
Both can do virtually the same thing and just as fast. Same hardware too I believe.
I just prefer the Focus because of the Windows UI. It's sleek, simple, and fast. Gets the jobs done. More and more apps are coming everyday and same goes for games. They are porting them constantly. I am more than pleased with my purchase and can't wait for the future of WP7!
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On another note if my Focus would have not accepted my MicroSD Card and reset randomly, lagged, and overall performed crappy... I'd go with the Captivate. Lol!
the thing is people seem to be confused and think wp7 is the wm6.5 upgrade when it really is not. The simple fact is that if windows 7 didn't have such a strong name i think they would of moved away from the 7 all together. WM and WP are not the same line WM is pretty much dead in the water due to Android and so MS has changed its target market. The problem with this is that people already new the MS target audience for WM and expected it to stay the same but it did not. They are after the average user the nokia clan if you will. This is why its kind of a big deal if nokia chooses to go with wp7 or not. This does mean however that there is a lot of wm fans left hanging in the wind and they are angry about this, then to top it off android fans see this and like to pounce (kind of like the guy in the pub that sees a man down then puts the boot in for a laugh even though its not his fight). The thing is this could all be squashed so easy by MS if they got there act together a bit better and started to actually push wp7 to the customer, it is easy to sit in a big office somewhere paying a large tv company to make adds for you but until they get people in the streets they are going to get over looked. We have all seen that the best tech isnt always what takes off. WP7 is the best os for the basic user by a long way and i hope MS give it the push it needs. That being said i do believe if nokia come on board then its a home run as the brand name will carry it to the right audience.
I love Windows Phone it can be properly amazing.
lumpaywk- I agree with you but would add that MS may have a problem with regard to whom to aim the phone at.
Apple did an amazing job of convincing punters that they wanted a phone that had features that would have otherwise been previously seen as geeky. Indeed they managed to convince many people that the had invent the whole concept.
Apple applied Jobsian post Fordist- you only need these features and no more (eg no copy'n'paste, tethering etc). They incorrectly assumed that all of their punters were brain dead and were proved wrong, as is evidenced by the fact they then added those features.
MS seem to be making the same mistakes. It is almost as if they assume that everyone is interested in social networking and gaming and nothing else. I guess I will be flamed by those stating that WP is a work in progress but they are speculating as much as I am with regard to what will and will not be available via future updates.
IMO MS have missed a trick- they could have proved an interface that required little savvy to use but which at the same time allowed a degree of customisation/functionality by those that want to dig deeper. It is inevitable that the Gurus here will enable that at some point so why not embrace it from the outset.
That would keep the (relatively small) WM owners happy and hand the techy bragging rights to WP, perhaps leading to migration form android/iphone. I have never owned either an andriod or iphone but can see why they find it so easy to take the pee out of some of WP's shortcomings (admittedly whilst side stepping it's strengths).
I think it unlikely that WP will crash and burn but it doesn't follow that it will automatically succeed. Sure MS have deep pockets but those pockets were even deeper when they were running with WM, and what happened to that
Here's the thing.
It's so easy to say that Android owners, or "fanboys" as some love to stamp them, are the ones who come in here with any negativity when there are other factors at play here.
1) I have seen threads started in this forum by WP7 "fanboys" on how WP7 is better than Android and basically just bashing the other OS, this can cause Android owners to retort with obvious failings of WP7.
2) Look at the bugs thread, this OS does have things still desired that need to be addressed.
3) The fact is, you can't just brush away and defend every criticism by anyone and pass it off as "fanboy" (whatever that even means). Just like if someone said "wow, Android sure has a fragmentation issue with so many different specced phones with different frameworks and UIs and stuff" I'd have to agree and confirm that that is a problem at times and not immediately label him a WP7 fanboy etc...
4) This forum seems to have more than a few overly sensitive dwellers who take personal offense at mere opinions of a phone's mobile OS as if it were some attack on your character or something, and so blow it up out of proportion.
Look, if calling anyone who doesn't agree with you an Android Fanboy makes you feel more important and better about yourself, then go for it, but at the end of the day you're not addressing the real drawbacks of WP7. We're all basically here to make our mobile experience better, no matter which OS we choose to go with.
Not only do you have Android/iPhone fanboys bashing WP7 but also WP7 users bashing it. That's because we love the phone and just want to see it getting better. On the other hand iPhone/Android users seem to think their phones are perfect already. lol. Thats why they are fanboys I guess.
rockstarar said:
why is there so much hate about wp7 in its own forum? i dont own one, but cmon guys, why so much negativity?!
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In my case, it isn't hatred, it's a doomed system and I'm just expressing my sadness that such a nice system has to be destroyed by a deadbeat idiot leadership at MS. But I guarantee it is doomed...unless MS shakes up the management in charge of WP7.
The negativity happens because the regulars here hostile towards anyone, very little help here without pages of insults. You can usually get more straightforward responses from the MS wp7 forums compared to this place.
I just bought myself, my mom, my borther, and my wife all WP7 devices for christmas (one of each released in the states) and I know that were all hooked and I've been a member of XDA for a few years now and have been tinkering since I got the original HTC touch when it was new.
I am getting sick of all this complaining. This is a vital time when MS needs support. We need to be more like Apple users in supporting our company. The apathetic nature of MS users makes me sick. Sometimes I feel like I am the only MS user who actively goes out and spreads good word about MS. User of MS products just go along happily using it but never actually spread the word like Apple fans do. That's why Apple is so succesful and MS is not in the mobile sector. The only time they come out of the woodwork is to complain.
See the whole windows home server and drive extender saga. Where were these people when Apple was bashing MS left and right? Nowhere. Now that they remove DE, they are screaming murder saying MS had the best product they've ever owned. Well perhaps you should have spread the word then.
So this thread is so say WE SUPPORT YOU, MS! You have a done a great job. Who else is with me?
Gas up the bus and round up the cheerleaders. We are going cross country!
I love WP7 but I am yet to support them by buying a handset. I suspect that will change soon.
I love my WP7! Especially after using that I one and the A one I can't wait to see what they do with it in the future
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If product good, support good, sales after services good.
The customer's will come, because the they are not stupid.
I own HD7 and I see it doesn't have many thing that made it to be a good phone (just "phone") right now.
MS need to be pull many feature quickly but as we see.. 5 month ago we have nothing, but bugs are still with us.
(ex. I can't use mic when I use headphone, so every time somebody call me in, I must to be pull out the headphones jack before received the call, It's not funny.)
Customer will choose the best thing for them so, M$ must to be more a good boy.
I like M$ but I not sure to support them in the feature again,
because I didn't got the money for free.
tanneji said:
I love my WP7! Especially after using that I one and the A one I can't wait to see what they do with it in the future
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Haha, I couldn't help but notice you posted this from a Captivate. I own one as well and I had bought a WP7 device last week to switch back and forth as I please because I want to support MS in the mobile community, but WP7 does nothing for me. The Netflix streaming was about it, but once that hits android then it wont matter. WP7 is smooth and rarely lags, but I feel so restricted when I use it and I have my Captivate sitting next to me. I don't know if you have got into flashing custom roms for the Captivate, but if you haven't flash Andromeda 1.2. Easily competes with the fastest of phones on the market today and everything works perfectly. But now that I'm done with my sales pitch, if MS brings an improvement to WP7 then I will be trying it out as soon as I can, but what me and my brother liked about Windows phones in the past is that they were virtually limitless to the tweaks you could make. Granted not as fast or smooth, no matter what facade is on top, but if you wanted to do something then most likely you could. WP7 just feels crippled, that's just my opinion though.
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though WP7 currently lack some features that we are used to using (copy/paste, multi-tasking etc.)im loving my WP7 powered HD7.
another thing that i love (and it makes me excited too) are the upcoming updates. come to think of it, MS will be bringing us C&P in a few weeks. and after a few months itll bring us Multi tasking in which the other platforms took a long time for them to deliver. its just that, MS should pull something extra ordinary that will differentiate their platform against the others. im sure ms is already conceptualizing things that will separate wp7 amongs the rest.
Good work with the camera feature, the Metro UI, social network integration and HUBS!
i love WP7
loving chix & vixens as well...
What about the landscape keyboard? Is there ever going to be a fix to take up the whole screen width? I'm sure going from an iPhone or something with a smaller screen its fine, but I'm use to the beautiful SAMOLED screen on the Captivate having a full width keyboard. In portrait mode its on par with the Captivates portrait keyboard, but I simply can't type on the landscape one. Maybe I should have got the Quantum...
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I'd be more inclined to be supportive of Microsoft if they made it clear that they actually were trying hard to support their users, not their carrier-partners.
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I'd be more inclined to be supportive of Microsoft if they made it clear that they actually were trying hard to support their users, not their carrier-partners.
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Allowing us to uninstall the bloatware crap without Modding the phone all to pieces is a pretty big sign that they support the users and not the carrier. Its the first phone I've seen it allow such a thing.
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I love WP7 too........
Mod Edit; It is against the rules to try and direct users to another (competitive) site.
I appreciate that your intentions were good though
I've always been the first to support Microsoft but they really do need to start showing their consumers some love.
i have been MS supporter for a long time and with WP7 microsoft has done it, this OS works without softreset, do not have few things right now but i know it will be having all those options soon...
i got my HD7 end oct and i am glad i got it.... i love the cloud, love the UI, love the speed, smoothness, simplcity, integration with facebook.....
i was wondering how it will be like when i lose sync with outlook, but it did not come up after i moved my contacts to my windows live account.
guys, WP7 is a good OS and if you dont like it there are other options, the only thing i dont get it is ppl *****ing about WP7 when they knew what they will be getting and they bought it and now all the *****ing..
I support Microsoft
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I support Microsoft
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+1 I support Microsoft
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But there are a lot of Microsoft haters out there.
another reason i love ms and wp7 (this is too much exciting)
IE9 coming to WP7 (later this year )
To the OP, just want to let you know something.Firstly,you say we have to be like Apple supporter and support M$.I can tell you that most Iphone users are not Apple fanboy.this is due to the product problem.
we are complaining is because the product is not good.IMO, M$ is on the wrong direction now,they have to plan and develop WP7 better,better....still a long way to go.what I see now is WP7 is just like SYMBIAN,full of bugs,but it just equipped with a better presentation.
I'm feeling pretty pity now,let's think about the updates and what we are waiting??mango and NO-DO,the feature these updates bring to us,is just some necessary and basic function and not mind-blowing.
I'm kind of tired of frequent lag and crash on marketplace,excessive noise in picture,slow app loading on my mozart.
what I said here is on a non-M$ fanboy stand point.
I will support MS back, but only when:
- They will deliver their updates,
- They will stop their unacceptable US-centric services, and provide decent services also to European customers. Which means they fix Bing Maps which is a shame,
- They will remove most of their silly WP7 restrictions and limitations,
- They will give all the APIs to the third party developers (GPS, compass, camera, etc.),
- They finally listen to their customers.
At the moment they are not fully commited to the satisfaction of their clients... Sorry.
And God knows how loyal we are....
if you have to ask...
people to support a multi billion dollar company, the company is doing something wrong.
don't blame apple or google or rim for this one. nothing to do with them at all.
I would imagine if ms actually released a full fledged update that brought it up to featureset, this thread wouldn't be needed. also, naming your first update after your competitions is just lame. nodo ? really, that's just sad.
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To the OP, just want to let you know something.Firstly,you say we have to be like Apple supporter and support M$.I can tell you that most Iphone users are not Apple fanboy.this is due to the product problem.
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Erm remember when iPhone first came out without MMS, multitasking, copypaste, etc. The Apple supporters were backing Apple by saying that they didn't need multitasking, that copy paste on mobile devices was useless and why use MMS when we have emails.
That's the kind of support I am talking about. MS users on the other hand just complain and complain.
Curious to see what you all think!
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Haha, best comment ever.
Asus Padfone is the future of Android.
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Asus Padfone is the future of Android.
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I have to agree with you.
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I remember when android first came out and i was on winmo i hated the look of it. Now i cannot imagine running anything else. As for the future, i see google buying open webos and incorp into android. Id love to see a android desktop os in the future as well.
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I remember when android first came out and i was on winmo i hated the look of it. Now i cannot imagine running anything else. As for the future, i see google buying open webos and incorp into android. Id love to see a android desktop os in the future as well.
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How can you buy open source?
But yeah, we'll probably see a lot of WebOS stuff trickle onto Android (just look at swipe to dismiss). Google just hired the core WebOS team
.. and get sued by HP?
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It's always heading up up up. I've been an advocate since it first started and told everyone iphones would always be too dumbed down and windows and blackberry phones would go down
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hp will put out webos in september and wash their hands of it.
Realistically, the next version will most likely have some desktop mode when plugged into a dock. This is why they bought moto and makes a lot of sense for a few reasons:
1. Lets android compete on a different level than ios or windows phone, allowing it to be your computer and your phone.
2. The hardware is ready there to do this, so it makes sense for them to make the leap now.
3. Instead of competing with toy OS's like ios, wp7, and webos, they would be playing with the big boys (aka, windows). Once your operating system is capable of real productivity, you can sell to the business market, which is huge and has had no competition. since the birth of windows 95.
4. This would require a new peripheral, which would boost sales and further lock people into Google's services.
After paying billions for moto and sitting on them, I can't see any other logical path for them to take.
On a side note, noticed most current phones have a barometer. Any ideas on how this might be used in the future?
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Realistically, the next version will most likely have some desktop mode when plugged into a dock. This is why they bought moto and makes a lot of sense for a few reasons:
1. Lets android compete on a different level than ios or windows phone, allowing it to be your computer and your phone.
2. The hardware is ready there to do this, so it makes sense for them to make the leap now.
3. Instead of competing with toy OS's like ios, wp7, and webos, they would be playing with the big boys (aka, windows). Once your operating system is capable of real productivity, you can sell to the business market, which is huge and has had no competition. since the birth of windows 95.
4. This would require a new peripheral, which would boost sales and further lock people into Google's services.
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It's a novel idea but I doubt they're up to this level yet. If anything I see it coming in later releases. Why do this when they can expand their whole hardware portfolio of selling chromebooks, tablets, etc.? I think that's more important than trying to turn their Android phones into desktop computers.
After paying billions for moto and sitting on them, I can't see any other logical path for them to take.
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Take the large number of valuable patents and sell the failing Motorola hardware business that loses money every quarter.
I want Google to integrate Motorola's hardware business and make awesome "All Google" Nexus devices as much as any other Android fan, but I don't see them doing this, especially not in the short term. They'd be competing directly with the manufacturers they currently license Android to, which isn't a very good business model.
On a side note, noticed most current phones have a barometer. Any ideas on how this might be used in the future?
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It's used to improve GPS accuracy.
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How can you buy open source?
But yeah, we'll probably see a lot of WebOS stuff trickle onto Android (just look at swipe to dismiss). Google just hired the core WebOS team
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The people they hired were mostly web apps people so they will probably work in the Chromebook division of Google
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Where is Android going? Within a few years, the best ever. I'd say by 2016 its going to start becoming old. (Ala Symbian, BB) I hate to say it, but its inevitable. I love Android and hope to god it never goes there.
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Where is Android going? Within a few years, the best ever. I'd say by 2016 its going to start becoming old. (Ala Symbian, BB) I hate to say it, but its inevitable. I love Android and hope to god it never goes there.
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It seems natural to do that. But I don't know of Google would ever let that happen. Same reason why Apple wouldn't let that happen with iOS. I just feel Google has big plans for Android and for it to just be much more than a mobile OS. And plus with every Google service being so tightly integrated into Android it would be too hard for it to fail at this point. Time will tell! But I'm excited like you. And optimistic.
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Where is Android going? Within a few years, the best ever. I'd say by 2016 its going to start becoming old. (Ala Symbian, BB) I hate to say it, but its inevitable. I love Android and hope to god it never goes there.
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yeah of course there will come a time when a better mobile OS comes along. android won't stay on top forever.
Sorry, wrong thread.
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yeah of course there will come a time when a better mobile OS comes along. android won't stay on top forever.
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I used to think the same about google as a search engine, although they've proved me (and everyone) wrong by completely dominating the search engine market since the internet was very young. Google's motivated and has a lot of sway, and unlike most corporations, people really seem to LIKE google! I think if anyone can break the cycle of companies rising and falling, it's them
Android will be around for the time being.
The history is repeating. This is similar how did IBM-compatible PC beat Apple computer by adapting open standard versus propitiatory. Since PC accepts open hardware standard, it has further advantage than Mac.
Android (and Windows Phone 7.x) also accepts open hardware specifications, and the result is we have much wider choice of hardware instead of ONE.
An open os will sell itself. I can not wait to triple boot my pc with android. I would love having the exact same experience from my phone to my pc. And if anyone has the money and time to do it, it is Google.
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Anyway to trick the Market into letting me purchase it? I haven't used all of my Play Store credit because I keep hoping everyday Adobe will update it to make it available for our more than capable device. No dice though.
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Your current options are either to buy directly from Adobe or side-load from another functional device.
I had the same question when I got mine. And let me tell you, while PS touch is awesome, I am getting some serious mileage out of Proto.
As in "I never want to wireframe on a computer again"
Does proto handle PSD files?
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Does proto handle PSD files?
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No, strictly wire framing. Incredibly reliable CSS export, though.
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Your current options are either to buy directly from Adobe or side-load from another functional device.
I had the same question when I got mine. And let me tell you, while PS touch is awesome, I am getting some serious mileage out of Proto.
As in "I never want to wireframe on a computer again"
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I'm not seeing a way to buy Photoshop Touch directly from Adobe. Their product pages links directly to Google Play or iTunes...
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I'm not seeing a way to buy Photoshop Touch directly from Adobe. Their product pages links directly to Google Play or iTunes...
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Comes with Cloud Subscription service.
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Comes with Cloud Subscription service.
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What do you mean cloud subscription? I've been trying to figure out a way to get the app onto my n7, and tried purchasing directly from adobe and also get forwarded to the play store. Is there something I'm missing here?
I really want to get this on my n7
P. S. I also made a thread asking the same question a week or so ago, try searching next time.
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What do you mean cloud subscription? I've been trying to figure out a way to get the app onto my n7, and tried purchasing directly from adobe and also get forwarded to the play store. Is there something I'm missing here?
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http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud.html
Unless you're a working designer, just spend the money on a CC license for fun, or a pirate, it's just not happening man. At least for the moment.
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http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud.html
Unless you're a working designer, just spend the money on a CC license for fun, or a pirate, it's just not happening man. At least for the moment.
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$50/month? No thanks. I'll just download it for free since Adobe is clueless.
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$50/month? No thanks. I'll just download it for free since Adobe is clueless.
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That seems like a good attitude to have. "Screw it, I'll just pirate it because it costs too much money/I have no patience."
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Indeed. Thank you for driving prices for working developers even higher. I appreciate you taking the money out of my pocket.
Well, I'm willing to wait or trick the Play Store into letting me buy like I mentioned initially. Guess wait is my option.
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No, strictly wire framing. Incredibly reliable CSS export, though.
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I does handle psd files. I can open edit and save them. No issues
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I does handle psd files. I can open edit and save them. No issues
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Proto? Really?
That's awesome. Never been more thrilled to be wrong.
Where can I get this Proto? Not seeing it in the Play Store. Link?
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That seems like a good attitude to have. "Screw it, I'll just pirate it because it costs too much money/I have no patience."
Indeed. Thank you for driving prices for working developers even higher. I appreciate you taking the money out of my pocket.
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That's actually the flaw in Adobe's plan. I'm a working developer as well, but the fact that they want to charge you extra just to by the app directly from them, on top of app purchases themselves, and charge you just to sync your work (that you made, using software you've already paid for) is just wrong. Piracy is mainly driven by restrictive access and unreasonable costs - both areas of great expertise to Adobe.
When it takes you 10 years to allow proper pasting between windows and add stroke-to-path in one of the most popular graphical suites in existence - you've got a problem. Adobe has its fingers on our wallets, but not our best interests as designers.
When free software can replicate almost every feature you present (plus tons more), but faster, easier, cross-OS compatible, and free...you're got even more problems. I work with huge companies like CVS, Walgreens, and Wal-mart with packaging design. I would use Inkscape/GIMP any day over the CS family...if only industrial printers didn't require ridiculously outdated formats (CS4 PDFs? Really?). That is seriously the only thing holding me back from using free-software entirely for my professional work.
You should be complaining to Adobe, not the pirates.
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That's actually the flaw in Adobe's plan. I'm a working developer as well, but the fact that they want to charge you extra just to by the app directly from them, on top of app purchases themselves, and charge you just to sync your work (that you made, using software you've already paid for) is just wrong. Piracy is mainly driven by restrictive access and unreasonable costs - both areas of great expertise to Adobe.
When it takes you 10 years to allow proper pasting between windows and add stroke-to-path in one of the most popular graphical suites in existence - you've got a problem. Adobe has its fingers on our wallets, but not our best interests as designers.
When free software can replicate almost every feature you present (plus tons more), but faster, easier, cross-OS compatible, and free...you're got even more problems. I work with huge companies like CVS, Walgreens, and Wal-mart with packaging design. I would use Inkscape/GIMP any day over the CS family...if only industrial printers didn't require ridiculously outdated formats (CS4 PDFs? Really?). That is seriously the only thing holding me back from using free-software entirely for my professional work.
You should be complaining to Adobe, not the pirates.
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Well I think you're getting into a bit of chicken vs. egg situation here as well. In all the rants I've seen on the issues of pirates v. developers, not a single one has come up with a viable solution for developers, and as such end users are stuck with horrible DRM strategies as a resolution.
My day job sees me working for a smaller market (though still in the "big leagues") sports franchise, where concerns over CS licenses are non-existent (they can afford plenty). On the other hand, Creative Cloud has been an absolutely outstanding way for me to purchase my own license for freelance work (granted, only about 20% of my annual income, but still no small potatoes). I'm effectively paying $600 a year for access to something that would have been cost prohibitive before. And frankly, I absolutely hate GIMP (personal preference and all that).
So while I see restrictive access and prohibitive cost as major issues (make no mistake - I'm no Adobe sympathizer), I honestly think their tact with CS6 is a far sight better than most companies are doing to in terms of implementing DRM.
Regardless (and for a plethora of reasons), you won't find me all too eager to endorse piracy on a public forum.
I'm glad that it's helped you - I don't deny that many of their products are extremely useful. I'm just not really supportive of closed ecosystems.
And I also agree with the "not endorsing piracy". I endorse free (or "free enough") and open software as an alternative. Then, everyone wins.
But I'm off-topic now.
I am also sad that PS Touch isn't available on the N7 yet.
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That seems like a good attitude to have. "Screw it, I'll just pirate it because it costs too much money/I have no patience."
Indeed. Thank you for driving prices for working developers even higher. I appreciate you taking the money out of my pocket.
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No problem. Free version working great. Would've bought it if I could
Adobe pricing debate,
Let me grab some popcorn first.
I paid for PSE for my PC, why should I pay (or use) inferior software on an inferior sized screen? I just don't think any photo editing software on a 7" or smaller screen is worth anything but free. I would think manufacturers would give this stuff away free so you go buy it for your PC if you like it. Plenty of free stuff out there for casual photo touch up (Picsay, Canvas, Sketchbook, Pixlr, PicsArt).
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do any things for help the team, thanks
I'm really pumped to go and see the rest of the XDA community. Also, to check out some of the fun hack presentations
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I'm really pumped to go and see the rest of the XDA community. Also, to check out some of the fun hack presentations
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It is going to be a great event and a really fun time
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Hello, do any things for help the team, thanks.
@jerdog - i booked my ticket on day 1 but I am going back to India on the same weekend so I won't be able to attend the dev con. Is is possible for me to get a refund and cancel my ticket?
Thanks
I love modified my phone that's why I like xda-developers
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We have seen some of, if not all, of the greatest names in this field taking off on our site and growing into giants in the mobile scene. People with similar interests congregate in the virtual walls of our forum and work towards a better future. XDA: DevCon is all this but taken a step further by tearing down the virtual walls and closing the distances that separate our community members from each other. The main objective of the conference is very simple: to take what we normally do in our forum and bring it live to maximize the experience and to learn from the very best. Most importantly, we aim to do it while having fun, just like the hobby this is meant to be. We’ll learn, laugh and have fun in the true spirit of XDA – collaboration.
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Would love to go to this, unfortunately I am unable to attend as I live in Australia, I do not have a passport, and I am only 17.
Would be a great kick to my development career if I could though!
Looking forward to a live stream of the event!
Well, due to the timing I'm out. But I have to ask - please consider something up here in Chicago. Got a lot of folks that could probably make it out here quite easily thanks to O'Hare and Midway - or drive, CTA, etc...
Less then 2 weeks until the Party Starts, I cant wait!
In case anybody's interested, here's a site that shows parking rates near the hotel (1395 Brickell Avenue) -- www.parkme.com (clicking the link launches search for the address and prompts for date(s) and times).
Cheapest: Miami-Dade College's parking garage, next to College-Bayside Metromover station parking garage[/url]. $5/day. You aren't going to do better than this. Roughly 20-25 minutes away by Metromover (free, 1.5 to 5 minute headways between 7am and midnight daily, roughly 1 block walk at both ends of the trip. Make sure you board "Brickell Loop").
For overnight parking, another cheap(-ish) option is 777 Brickell Avenue's garage... $10/day (resets at 7am, but doesn't become cheap until after 9pm Friday). Depending on headways, it might (or might not) be worth boarding Metromover at Eighth Street station and riding it to the end.You won't really save any time vs walking, but it's air conditioned.
For reference, the hotel itself charges guests $26/day for self-parking (no in/out), and $46/day ($38 + taxes) for valet (in/out allowed). I don't know whether non-guests are charged the same amount.
Other transportation options:
Metrorail now goes directly to the airport. Board at MIC (don't worry about color or direction... any train leaving the airport is going to be southbound Orange line). Get off at Brickell Station (one station south of Government Center). Transfer to Metromover (free, follow signs) and go south to the end of the line (Financial District Station). If you get on a car going the wrong direction and end up on the other side of the river in downtown Miami, just chill and enjoy the unplanned detour. It'll loop around downtown once, and head right back & end up at the right station.
For another year or so, Tri-Rail's airport station is closed due to construction, so if you're transferring to or from Metrorail, the original transfer station between 'Hialeah' and 'Northside' is still your only good option (you could technically take Tri-Rail to "Hialeah Market" station & take the shuttle to MIC, but it would be kind of silly).
Beware... Metrorail runs every 30 minutes on weekends, and neither Metrorail nor Tri-Rail even TRY to coordinate transfers. If northbound Metrorail and Tri-Rail trains arrive simultaneously, there's a 97% chance that one or both will deliberately leave before the screaming, desperate passengers running up or down the escalator 3 steps at a time get anywhere near the other train's platform unless one or more sympathetic passengers take matters into their own hands and stand in the doors so they can't close. The last two northbound trains on Saturday & Sunday depart from the Metrorail transfer station at 6:27pm and 9:52pm.
Excited to be attending. Thinking of setting up a little live blog action. Any qualms with licensing or anything like that?
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Excited to be attending. Thinking of setting up a little live blog action. Any qualms with licensing or anything like that?
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I would be happy to help out as well if you want to get it started. I will be there as well.
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Excited to be attending. Thinking of setting up a little live blog action. Any qualms with licensing or anything like that?
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I would be happy to help out as well if you want to get it started. I will be there as well.
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You guys are more than welcome to as long as you link back to the XDA Portal and devcon websites
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You guys are more than welcome to as long as you link back to the XDA Portal and devcon websites
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Damn, I was going to link to developer.apple.com
http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/Miami+FL+USFL0316:1:US
Hopefully, 30% chance means it won't happen. Its been raining everyday in Kansas for awhile, and want to get to a part of the country where its sunny.
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Hopefully, 30% chance means it won't happen.
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By South Florida standards, a "30% chance of rain" is practically a drought. :laugh:
All kidding aside, if they end up needing to scrape together another presentation if they have someone bail or want to tack one on to the very end, it would be awesome if they could find someone to give a "CM/AOSP/AOKP: source to S3" presentation that
* sets up a virgin build environment
* builds them all the way to a flashable ROM (showing all the first-time problems that get encountered along the way & how to fix them), then
* flashes that shiny new source-built ROM to an American S3 (or some comparable American phone that's not a Nexus and requires a bit of work to actually end up with a real, flashable ROM), including all the stuff necessary to make both the proprietary hardware and carrier-specific services work.
I'm using the American S3 as an example, mainly because it's probably the single most popular Android phone in terms of sheer numbers, it's mature enough to be relatively well understood (but still a b**ch to get an actual, flashable, fully-working ROM for), and the American versions all have identical hardware insofar as Android itself has to care.
Then again, something like this would probably have to be a multi-day bootcamp-type event, just because there's such a staggering amount of ground to cover... like having people who are attending get their prerequisite build environment set up (Ubuntu or Mac) and able to make it through some automated build without dying before arrival, then do the actual bootcamp the day before the conference itself begins. Or, to get really adventurous, maybe spend the day before the conference begins having the Nexus bootcamp laying the foundation, then have the "guerrilla warfare non-Nexus" bootcamp pick up where the Nexus one ends the day after the conference is over.
I love modified my phone that's why I like xda-developers