Well maybe a lot of us we now that today Google anunced the next Android and noo its not 5.0 Key lime pie it's Kit kat 4.4....
since qualcomm does not release drivers an we are for that screwed up to be on 4.1.2 (and not andorid 4.3 or at least 4.2) ans that sony it's a sh*t in updates
You think that we are going to recive it?
the great "slogan" of kitkat "It's our goal with Android KitKat to make an amazing Android experience available for everybody."
wat you do you think or expecta abour that?
Personally i think that will remplace the old 2.3 to 4.4 and the JB to 4.4 will add a lot more of features andd the fragmentation will be "gone" and all in 4.4, but then i think so twice and F*ck if sony cant give us 4.2 and 4.3 because of qualcom we will stay in 4.1 :S
OFFICIALLY, I don't think so. But i believe the developer in XDA will sort it out, somehow. Oh by the way, i'm fine with 4.1.2.
The Xperia S is getting older by the day, so I don't think that there will be any chance of an official 4.4 update for our phone. I do think that developers will create some 4.4 ROMs for it, though. I wish I could try out the selection of ROMs out there, but my bootloader can not be unlocked.
We can only count for Rayman and letama in this situation
In my view it is not going to happen. When will they release kitkat? 2014?
These phones just get too old...
i dont see any point about "the phone is old".
so what? yes it's getting older, but it doesn't mean lost all capability for running new OS.
in my opinion, it just marketing strategy from manufacturer, they want our money. so they stop support for "old" hardware. Of course, they can create new software for our old xperia with additional budget if they want to do so, but they raise nothing.
i didn't blame qualcomm or sony. this is very logic marketing strategy from manufacturer, i will doing the same if i'm the CEO.
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i dont see any point about "the phone is old".
so what? yes it's getting older, but it doesn't mean lost all capability for running new OS.
in my opinion, it just marketing strategy from manufacturer, they want our money. so they stop support for "old" hardware. Of course, they can create new software for our old xperia with additional budget if they want to do so, but they raise nothing.
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Never said it lost capability, and I agree, it is most likely a marketing strategy to end support for old products and push for people to fork out money for their newer product range.
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if sony isn't releasing more software updates, at least we can ask them to unlock our bootloaders when they drop support?
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i dont see any point about "the phone is old".
so what? yes it's getting older, but it doesn't mean lost all capability for running new OS.
in my opinion, it just marketing strategy from manufacturer, they want our money. so they stop support for "old" hardware. Of course, they can create new software for our old xperia with additional budget if they want to do so, but they raise nothing.
i didn't blame qualcomm or sony. this is very logic marketing strategy from manufacturer, i will doing the same if i'm the CEO.
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Well I still partly blame Qualcomm, and Sony shouldn't have used such an old SoC. But if I really cared, I wouldn't have bought this phone, it's still miles ahead of the armv6 thing I had before. Anyway, you're right it's partly marketing, they want to sell new phones. And it's still a management problem. You can't just conjure up firmware, some developer needs to make it. Sony has a lot of models to support so developers have to be reassigned to newer models.
But that's part of the problem, I don't get why Sony makes such an abundant amount of models. Instead of making something like the Xperia L or M, they could still make the Xperia S and sell that for about the same price (and XS is way better specced than XL). Something like Samsung does with their Galaxy S (insert number) Advance/Plus/Whatever phones. I thought Sony was going to concentrate on the high-end market, but they keep on making those BS cheap phones that make Android look bad. I'm sure Sony could manufacture and sell an Xperia S or T for about €200 right now.
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Don't blame Sony on that one. It's your provider demanding a locked bootloader and you bought it through them (probably sponsored with your subscription plan). I don't usually tell people to get a Samsung, but next time you get a phone with your subscription, get one with a bootloader that's less secure. I know the 2011 Xperia's were easier to unlock, but that was no excuse to just blindly assume the 2012 line is (if you even researched that). I heard that some Samsung phones have secure bootloaders in the US though, so even that party might be over. In general though I'd advise you to get a SIM-only subscription and be the boss over your own phone (and yeah that could mean paying €400 instead of €100 for your phone, you want an unlockable bootloader or not? At least you save on the cheaper subscription)
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Good idea but I like more to a refined campaign give my Xperia S for a discount for Xperia SP, or Z o ZL, but the bootloader it's not a bad idea
But it was supposed that key lime pie will be able do fit on a 512 ram phone if really its the case then 2.3 will jump to 5.0(and Xperia of 2011 should have to) but it's not 5.0 it's 4.4 and referring to the slogan "It's our goal with Android KitKat to make an amazing Android experience available for everybody." I hope that in October give us a good idea of what means
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Don't blame Sony on that one. It's your provider demanding a locked bootloader and you bought it through them (probably sponsored with your subscription plan). I don't usually tell people to get a Samsung, but next time you get a phone with your subscription, get one with a bootloader that's less secure. I know the 2011 Xperia's were easier to unlock, but that was no excuse to just blindly assume the 2012 line is (if you even researched that). I heard that some Samsung phones have secure bootloaders in the US though, so even that party might be over. In general though I'd advise you to get a SIM-only subscription and be the boss over your own phone (and yeah that could mean paying €400 instead of €100 for your phone, you want an unlockable bootloader or not? At least you save on the cheaper subscription)
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I'm not complaining with the updates so far. I think they did a good job (although a bit late) with the updates, but if the phone is able to run the new android versions, they could give us a chance. Also, after they drop support the subscription period will be over, so the phone will be 100% ours.
This is just like what people did to apple when the iPod 3 came out. People wanted all the awesome features of 3.1.2 on the iPod touch 2 the multi tasking and what not and apple said it couldn't handle it. Well an official 3.1.2 came out for the iPod 2 and my god was it buggy slow choppy and all around ****. Sometimes it is just too much for the device to handle, note that I may be wrong for the iOS version that first had multitasking but that's besides the point
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This is just like what people did to apple when the iPod 3 came out. People wanted all the awesome features of 3.1.2 on the iPod touch 2 the multi tasking and what not and apple said it couldn't handle it. Well an official 3.1.2 came out for the iPod 2 and my god was it buggy slow choppy and all around ****. Sometimes it is just too much for the device to handle, note that I may be wrong for the iOS version that first had multitasking but that's besides the point
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Well you get a point but it's like put JB Into a Xperia x8 it can't handle it because of ram, internal storage etc but for example the Xperia S ( it's the device I have) it can handle 4.3 but it does not came we have to wait and see if " for everyone" really it is and tat means lower requirements in older phones, not for having 1 year they can't handle it(look the nexus4 it's old and update)
And well for that they make proves(well Sony make them with the customer) and if not f*ck we will port it XD
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To TS
Please add ion into it...I feel like my device is forgotten
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Let's just hope we get KitKat..
And also soon, not a year later..
so people this was one of the reason so i sold my xperia sl yesterday and bought brand new xperia t at least it will get 4.3 confirmed or hopefully 4.4 also
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so people this was one of the reason so i sold my xperia sl yesterday and bought brand new xperia t at least it will get 4.3 confirmed or hopefully 4.4 also
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Xperia T hasn't 4.3 update confirmed yet bro, but it will most probably get it.
Want Android 4.4? Tell that to Qualcomm.
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Want Android 4.4? Tell that to Qualcomm.
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Stupid Qualcomm they f*ck up our 4.2 and 4.3 for Xperia s,so,Arco s bla bla
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IMO SONY wont give a 4.2 update but if that happens,beers to SONY team.oops,i mean cheers :good: to SONY team.as the present android 4.1 official update is great but with some minor not so noticable bugs :laugh: i dont have any idea of what android 4.4 KITKAT will bring but i bet we will get it from great developers at xda.we will atleast get a AOSP based nightlty beta rom because XPERIA S is a very strong and fast phone though all say LOW BENCHMARKS and SNAPDRAGON S3,but i know its still faster and can handle next android versions without any hiccups.why the heck they decide to stop giving updates even the device is fully capable.x10 mini pro left with android 2.1,but the android 2.3 rom runs much faster and better battery life why some left at 2.3 and some at 4.3 ? i hate this fact
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is there a beta of android 4.0 for R800x i here the beta for 4.0 is out in beta now but is there one for the R800x?
No. That's why people are still skeptical that Verizon is even working on it
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No. That's why people are still skeptical that Verizon is even working on it
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dos any one on here no if Verizon is working on it????????
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dos any one on here no if Verizon is working on it????????
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Again, no... like I just said people don't know about Verizon's progress
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dos any one on here no if Verizon is working on it????????
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How about you wait until the official release for the R800i/a/at is released, then ask Verizon
i can only hope and pray that verizon has it working...i'm not holding my breath though, figure it will be sometime in may before we hear anything from big red
If I am not mistaken, Verizon has pretty much told us to go get bent. They will not be doing any more updates for the r800x.
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If I am not mistaken, Verizon has pretty much told us to go get bent. They will not be doing any more updates for the r800x.
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I was at the Verizon store last night and they had 4 xperia plays on display. Had not been in there in months and was surprised to see they still had it........ not saying that due to this they will make the update. But just saying surprised they still offer it as they obviously couldn't give a sh!t about this device (or any of their devices in general)
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I was at the Verizon store last night and they had 4 xperia plays on display. Had not been in there in months and was surprised to see they still had it........ not saying that due to this they will make the update. But just saying surprised they still offer it as they obviously couldn't give a sh!t about this device (or any of their devices in general)
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Since when has VZW given a **** about _ANY_ of their phones after a period of 2 months of launch? Seriously 95% of the time their advice is Full Reset, Exchange the handset for a same-model refurb, or buy a new shiny handset. They aren't their to support any of these devices, they are there to make money shoveling as many devices in as many brackets as possible. This is why they have these periods of exclusivity for launches. Which is why the Galaxy Nexus got delayed for about 1-2 months on VZW versus _ALL OTHER LAUNCH NETWORKS WORLDWIDE_.
I don't expect VZW to ever put out an update to r800x. We are stuck on 2.3.3, which breaks the compatability for any purchased PS games bought on the market. On top of that, they don't support purchases that are made through their crappy software store (VZWapps) and often charge premium prices for apps that are free on Market. They hijacked the normal Xperia Launcher to only work with VZWapps, and blocked out the functionality of numerous other things (unless you root and modify numerous things).
VZW doesn't care anything but about making money off of you. If any of them are telling you otherwise, it is just PR speak that they are told to say.
(Yes I'm a cynical, bitter person, but I still like VZW better than AT&T)
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Since when has VZW given a **** about _ANY_ of their phones after a period of 2 months of launch? Seriously 95% of the time their advice is Full Reset, Exchange the handset for a same-model refurb, or buy a new shiny handset. They aren't their to support any of these devices, they are there to make money shoveling as many devices in as many brackets as possible. This is why they have these periods of exclusivity for launches. Which is why the Galaxy Nexus got delayed for about 1-2 months on VZW versus _ALL OTHER LAUNCH NETWORKS WORLDWIDE_.
I don't expect VZW to ever put out an update to r800x. We are stuck on 2.3.3, which breaks the compatability for any purchased PS games bought on the market. On top of that, they don't support purchases that are made through their crappy software store (VZWapps) and often charge premium prices for apps that are free on Market. They hijacked the normal Xperia Launcher to only work with VZWapps, and blocked out the functionality of numerous other things (unless you root and modify numerous things).
VZW doesn't care anything but about making money off of you. If any of them are telling you otherwise, it is just PR speak that they are told to say.
(Yes I'm a cynical, bitter person, but I still like VZW better than AT&T)
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I was implying, maybe didnt word it very well, but I was implying they do not give a monkeys butt about their phones unless its shiny and new. I agree with you. I have been with VZ for a year and I am not happy with them. In another year I will jump ship. Also, I rooted my phone and deleted all the Vcast apps, rebooted and now the android market shows up in the games laumcher instead of the Vcast.... hate vcast
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Since when has VZW given a **** about _ANY_ of their phones after a period of 2 months of launch? Seriously 95% of the time their advice is Full Reset, Exchange the handset for a same-model refurb, or buy a new shiny handset. They aren't their to support any of these devices, they are there to make money shoveling as many devices in as many brackets as possible. This is why they have these periods of exclusivity for launches. Which is why the Galaxy Nexus got delayed for about 1-2 months on VZW versus _ALL OTHER LAUNCH NETWORKS WORLDWIDE_.
I don't expect VZW to ever put out an update to r800x. We are stuck on 2.3.3, which breaks the compatability for any purchased PS games bought on the market. On top of that, they don't support purchases that are made through their crappy software store (VZWapps) and often charge premium prices for apps that are free on Market. They hijacked the normal Xperia Launcher to only work with VZWapps, and blocked out the functionality of numerous other things (unless you root and modify numerous things).
VZW doesn't care anything but about making money off of you. If any of them are telling you otherwise, it is just PR speak that they are told to say.
(Yes I'm a cynical, bitter person, but I still like VZW better than AT&T)
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Ah, my friend, there is nothing bitter about the truth.
No, but I heard that SE is working on a separate release of 4.0 just for R8800x. Will Verizon roll it out? Hell no.
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No, but I heard that SE is working on a separate release of 4.0 just for R8800x. Will Verizon roll it out? Hell no.
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Couldn't they just finish that up and release a compatible *.ftf file for those interested? Instead of just tossing out all that work?
You all do realize that it is still only February, right? Android 4.0 release date was slated for a "POSSIBLE" release sometime in March or April. How about waiting until the end of April and seeing how that goes for the other models of the Play before you start complaining. In fact, in view of Verizon's slowness to adopt new updates, I wouldn't lose hope until the end of 2012.
If you have the luxury of an unlocked bootloader, I suggest using CM7.2 from FreeXperia. They are currently working on porting 4.0 to the R800 family, and it's going well from what I've heard.
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Couldn't they just finish that up and release a compatible *.ftf file for those interested? Instead of just tossing out all that work?
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We are talking about Verizon here. They don't approve anything until it's perfect. Don't see why they couldn't release a beta, and then do updates.
Verizon... and perfect releases? Dude, what have you been smokin'? I've had 4 Androids, a Blackberry and I can't even remember how many "feature phones"... and none of them could EVER qualify as perfect, no matter how many updates they released. The Play has been the closest, and it's not perfect by any means.
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Verizon... and perfect releases? Dude, what have you been smokin'? I've had 4 Androids, a Blackberry and I can't even remember how many "feature phones"... and none of them could EVER qualify as perfect, no matter how many updates they released. The Play has been the closest, and it's not perfect by any means.
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I think he means perfect by "VZW stardards" (bloated and neutered to virtually unusable proportions).
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I've been with Verizon since 2007 & they haven't supported any phone beyond release. They've pissed me off thoroughly with the lack of releases for the Samsung Fascinate (gone due to piss poor performance) & the R800x. I hate this whole dodgy BS that seems to keep perpetuating beyond the normal. Next phone I get will probably be a flagship phone, since I know that it will get huge support from the dev community. This is completely insane & I'm getting pissed off with the general lack of community support (with a few exceptions but not many like the GSM models) for the R800x since VZW has abandoned us as well.
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I've been with Verizon since 2007 & they haven't supported any phone beyond release. They've pissed me off thoroughly with the lack of releases for the Samsung Fascinate (gone due to piss poor performance) & the R800x. I hate this whole dodgy BS that seems to keep perpetuating beyond the normal. Next phone I get will probably be a flagship phone, since I know that it will get huge support from the dev community. This is completely insane & I'm getting pissed off with the general lack of community support (with a few exceptions but not many like the GSM models) for the R800x since VZW has abandoned us as well.
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Remember that the biggest reason that this phone didn't sell well was the lack of support in the first place. That means that there are fewer of our phones in use than a lot of others, and we have few dev's because of that.
Sony released ics for arc s and few others.. google coders cant make software for own flagship device :/ google support was main advantage of nexus series... i want my money back!!!!!
Trollolololololololllllllll
In my phone
Just send your Nexus to me and I'll make sure that Google gets you your money back.
Otherwise, trolololo.
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I agree with you gentleman : Trollolololololololllllllll indead.
More precisely : BA DUM TSSS!
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Trollolololololololllllllll
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Or maybe it is a unsatisfied owner feeling like venting/discussing the very current (and yes well covered) subject with other owners in a DISCUSSION FORUM.
Sorry but in my opinion... someone that jumps right into someone else's conversation (it is obviously not a conversation for you, you make it clear you disrespect the comment and submission) and yells "troll" is him/herself the troll.
Grandma didn't say it exactly like this but it went like this...
"if you don't have anything good to say... then STFU"
Something like that.
By the way OP... I hear ya, so do a lot of others. It pisses me off every time I see a press release mentioning some new ICS unit and here we are... still waiting. I rooted and am using a 4.0.4 that makes it "usable" but it still has crappy phone/data coverage/reception and Verizon has been promising that "patch" since early in January well before the launch day buyer's return deadline. We shouldn't have to root and take chances like that... lucky for me I'm an IT engineer and am comfortable with it but I would have been much happier with a 'bone stock" unit that works right.
There are a lot of threads on this... but then again there are always a lot of threads on everything so... whatever.
Verizon is dropping the ball big time... my only hope is that the update they come out with will be better that the leaked 4.0.4 and that is what is taking so long... and at this point in time is still not an excuse.
Im trololo bcoz im talking the truth? I bought nexus device coz i had enough of flashing my galaxy s! I just wanna have fast, stable and bug free software.
It's definitely weird that the Galaxy Nexus is lagging behind update wise. But at the same time, it's a Nexus...if you're not on the latest OS version you're doing it wrong.
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Ya...WHERE IS MY 4.05.4.3.45675.5? I NEED IT NAO
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Im trololo bcoz im talking the truth? I bought nexus device coz i had enough of flashing my galaxy s! I just wanna have fast, stable and bug free software.
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The latest version is 4.0.3, we're on 4.0.2.. as far as I know we'll most likely get the whole 5.xx series
just wait, 4.0.4 is not done for the nexus
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Sony released ics for arc s and few others.. google coders cant make software for own flagship device :/ google support was main advantage of nexus series... i want my money back!!!!!
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yeah you'r right, that's why i haven't a CM9 404 based on my device
("not rure if trolling or....")
Luckily you're in the right place if you are tired of waiting for the OTA.
See: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1455
Unfortunately there's not much we can do for the official OTA though, for that you'll need to contact Google or Verizon.
Hello there,
I have been following and reading these forums for years but today I finally decided to post something. After reading about the ban on Nexus devices, I went online today very early and bought my own. I'm frankly very tired of the way Microsoft has been dealing with its WPhone platform and after reading what Jelly Bean brings to the table for Android, I'm hooked up!
As this is going to be my first Android phone I would appreciate any comments or insights you guys could provide me with.
Thanks for your time!
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As this is going to be my first Android phone. I would appreciate any comments or insights you guys could provide me with.
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As a brand new android / nexus owner the main thing you need to know is that Apple is the devil and to hate everything about them
I'm also in the same boat. I'm not sure whether to get either the HTC One X, LG Optimus 4X HD or the Galaxy Nexus. I dont care about updates as I use custom roms. Or shall I wait for a quad core Nexus phone?
P.s. the phones in my signature are review devices so I have tried the Nexus and One X... just need insight
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When you first get the phone. Unlock the bootloader (search the forums on how to do it). After that, enjoy the phone and look around the Play Store for apps that you may like. There are a lot of apps to look around from.
The reasoning behind unlocking the bootloader (first thing) is because if you DO decide to root and flash custom ROMs after you already set your phone up. You can back up your apps / data whereas if you want to root/flash... you'll have to unlock bootloader (which will wipe everything).
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As a brand new android / nexus owner the main thing you need to know is that Apple is the devil and to hate everything about them
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Thanks!
I was really pissed yesterday night after knowing about the injunction on the Galaxy Nexus phones!
Also, when it comes to my previous experience with MS/Windows Phone 7 this is what I have to say:
ATT and their update schedule sucks. Do yourself a favor and never buy a phone from them, especially if it's Android or Wp7. You will never see timely or meaningful updates for your phone.
Lack of Swype. Swype is a very sweet technology that we don't get to enjoy in the Wp7 platform. I mean, symbian and meego have swype! Wp7 don't have anything but a very crappy kb and and ****ty autocorrect. I was also very tired of dealing with that.
Lack of over the air updates. Seriously MS? I still have to connect my phone to zune and update that way? Not to mention that can only happen if ATT thinks I, as a customer, deserve to update my phone.
Lack of interesting/appealing apps. We all know how this is in Wp7.
Lack of interesting in keeping legacy devices updated. Which honestly happens with android as well, with the difference being that if you have an android phone, you have the chance of flashing a new rom/forcing the updates as the code is open source. Go try that with a Wp7 and see if it's that easy... NOT!
No custom ring tones still, really... after more than two years? Give me a goddamn break!
And franky, there's more, a lot more, but those are things I can think of right away.
*sighs*
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I'm also in the same boat. I'm not sure whether to get either the HTC One X, LG Optimus 4X HD or the Galaxy Nexus. I dont care about updates as I use custom roms. Or shall I wait for a quad core Nexus phone?
P.s. the phones in my signature are review devices so I have tried the Nexus and One X... just need insight
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I was excited about quad core phones and so on until I read what Intel had to say on android not being optimized to deal with dual/quad cores. The hardware is there, ready to ship with multiple cores. However, according to intel (they have been developing their own android phones), android as it is right now isn't optimized to take advantage of multiple cores. Maybe in the next major release of the OS that won't be an issue anymore, but as it is right now the software isn't ripe enough to do that. So, in my case, I decided to save a few bucks and buy the galaxy nexus for 350 from google. Maybe in the future when the software is up to par with the hardware I will consider a quad core android phone.
If you want to unlock the bootloader go and find the thread about toolkit 7,it is verkligen easy to use.
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If you're a flashaholic like me, the Galaxy Nexus is what you want I had Jelly Bean only a few hours after Google announced it
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If you want to unlock the bootloader go and find the thread about toolkit 7,it is verkligen easy to use.
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I definitely will once I receive the phone next week. Although I think I will be using the official rom more often than not, unless I find something better out there =)
Thanks for all the helpful advice guys!
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I was excited about quad core phones and so on until I read what Intel had to say on android not being optimized to deal with dual/quad cores. The hardware is there, ready to ship with multiple cores. However, according to intel (they have been developing their own android phones), android as it is right now isn't optimized to take advantage of multiple cores. Maybe in the next major release of the OS that won't be an issue anymore, but as it is right now the software isn't ripe enough to do that. So, in my case, I decided to save a few bucks and buy the galaxy nexus for 350 from google. Maybe in the future when the software is up to par with the hardware I will consider a quad core android phone.
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The thing is I cant change my phone until i raise enough money... so surely going ahead of the game is better? Is there going to be a new Nexus out this year?
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The thing is I cant change my phone until i raise enough money... so surely going ahead of the game is better? Is there going to be a new Nexus out this year?
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No one is really quite sure. Some people argue that the Nexus 7 was the "nexus device of the year" while others say that there will be multiple nexii being released in Q4 of this year (each from different manufacturers). So to sum up... nobody really knows for sure! But, Google has a history of releasing one Nexus phone a year, and so companies tend to follow their previous trends. Now whether it'll have a new or updated OS (4.2, 5.0) is a whole 'nother story...
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Thanks!
I was really pissed yesterday night after knowing about the injunction on the Galaxy Nexus phones!
Also, when it comes to my previous experience with MS/Windows Phone 7 this is what I have to say:
ATT and their update schedule sucks. Do yourself a favor and never buy a phone from them, especially if it's Android or Wp7. You will never see timely or meaningful updates for your phone.
Lack of Swype. Swype is a very sweet technology that we don't get to enjoy in the Wp7 platform. I mean, symbian and meego have swype! Wp7 don't have anything but a very crappy kb and and ****ty autocorrect. I was also very tired of dealing with that.
Lack of over the air updates. Seriously MS? I still have to connect my phone to zune and update that way? Not to mention that can only happen if ATT thinks I, as a customer, deserve to update my phone.
Lack of interesting/appealing apps. We all know how this is in Wp7.
Lack of interesting in keeping legacy devices updated. Which honestly happens with android as well, with the difference being that if you have an android phone, you have the chance of flashing a new rom/forcing the updates as the code is open source. Go try that with a Wp7 and see if it's that easy... NOT!
No custom ring tones still, really... after more than two years? Give me a goddamn break!
And franky, there's more, a lot more, but those are things I can think of right away.
*sighs*
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WP7 has one of the best keyboards on the market that is arguably rivals iPhone keyboard. But I agree with the other points you listed.
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No one is really quite sure. Some people argue that the Nexus 7 was the "nexus device of the year" while others say that there will be multiple nexii being released in Q4 of this year (each from different manufacturers). So to sum up... nobody really knows for sure! But, Google has a history of releasing one Nexus phone a year, and so companies tend to follow their previous trends. Now whether it'll have a new or updated OS (4.2, 5.0) is a whole 'nother story...
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Thanks. If i buy the GN, would it be classed as "outdated". I know all phones get outdated but I don't wanna get a outdated (specswise) phone. Its really tough... thanks for your reply, gotta thank this now. Btw sorry at @OP for thread jacking..
I am also gonna buy the Nexus 7 so that could be my Quad Core device... really stuck here
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RogerPodacter said:
WP7 has one of the best keyboards on the market that is arguably rivals iPhone keyboard. But I agree with the other points you listed.
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SwiftKey X
@weeo: Galaxy Nexus isn't outdated in any form or shape. People may criticize that it's outdated because of core numbers.
But honestly... who needs a Quad Core? Is it nice to have? yeah... is it a necessity? not really.
Jelly Bean.... what's the first phone getting it? Galaxy Nexus... Is it really outdated? In hardware perspective, it may be somewhat outdated but not to the extent that it has NO hardware that it can't compete with other devices.
Software wise... Galaxy Nexus is more than relevant and it will stay this way for the next two years.
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SwiftKey X
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FTW! I'm really happy with the Android 4.0 keyboard. Very predictive and I've heard 4.1 has a better keyboard
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weeo said:
FTW! I'm really happy with the Android 4.0 keyboard. Very predictive and I've heard 4.1 has a better keyboard
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Yeah I heard it does as well, but I never gave it a chance because I'm addicted to SwiftKey X.... also I modified my post about "Galaxy Nexus" being outdated
4.1 has the exact same vanilla keyboard as 4.0 had... nothing special or new that I can tell
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SwiftKey X
@weeo: Galaxy Nexus isn't outdated in any form or shape. People may criticize that it's outdated because of core numbers.
But honestly... who needs a Quad Core? Is it nice to have? yeah... is it a necessity? not really.
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Bro that touched me right at the end. :crying:
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Yeah I heard it does as well, but I never gave it a chance because I'm addicted to SwiftKey X.... also I modified my post about "Galaxy Nexus" being outdated
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Yes, SwiftKey X is really great, highly recommended.
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When you first get the phone. Unlock the bootloader (search the forums on how to do it). After that, enjoy the phone and look around the Play Store for apps that you may like. There are a lot of apps to look around from.
The reasoning behind unlocking the bootloader (first thing) is because if you DO decide to root and flash custom ROMs after you already set your phone up. You can back up your apps / data whereas if you want to root/flash... you'll have to unlock bootloader (which will wipe everything).
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You can use Ezekeel's app to unlock the bootloader without wiping.. it costs money and I've never tried it though. Also, you have to root it yourself afterwards.
barroco said:
I was excited about quad core phones and so on until I read what Intel had to say on android not being optimized to deal with dual/quad cores. The hardware is there, ready to ship with multiple cores. However, according to intel (they have been developing their own android phones), android as it is right now isn't optimized to take advantage of multiple cores. Maybe in the next major release of the OS that won't be an issue anymore, but as it is right now the software isn't ripe enough to do that. So, in my case, I decided to save a few bucks and buy the galaxy nexus for 350 from google. Maybe in the future when the software is up to par with the hardware I will consider a quad core android phone.
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Uhh, you have to keep in mind Intel is trying to sell their (at present, single-core) chips. They're not exactly an unbiased observer here.
The Nexus is still a good choice, however. It's now pretty cheap (though may not remain that way once the injunction sets in) and it'll be the first to get jellybean and project butter.
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Thanks. If i buy the GN, would it be classed as "outdated". I know all phones get outdated but I don't wanna get a outdated (specswise) phone.
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But, uh, I have to disagree with the other person here. The GN is a last-generation phone (not just in cores, but in stuff like camera, GPU) and, as such, it can be called "somewhat outdated".
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/05/motorola-jelly-bean-upgrades/
somehow I feel "all" will not include our beloved Defy ^^
But still, sounds good to me... let's see which devices they'll really upgrade in the end.
wait and see
All possible devices. That might not include very old devices like Milestone because it's hardware is too old for JB. But let's hope it comes to Defy as well. Because our hardware is sufficient enough for jellybean.
you might not have seen the word 'new' before 'devices'. the defy is nowhere near new.
i really dont get why people still hope that one day motorola will care about the defy...
cmon, the defy was only updated to gb, not even ics, why would they care? and no, officially our hardware is not enough (according to motorola anyways)... just look at atrix (one of the first dual core devices on the market!), it wont get jellybean or an officially unlockable bootloader either!
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Update from another source:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...grades-promises-developer-editions-of-phones/
"Today, Motorola just floored users with an unprecedented offer: if you bought a phone from Motorola that launched in 2011, most of you will receive an upgrade to Jelly Bean. If, however, you're using a phone that Motorola decides will have a degraded experience, you will receive $100 in credit towards an upgrade. This may mark the first time that a manufacturer has broadly promised compensation for a lack of updates for all of its devices."
Defy was launched in 2010, Defy+ in 2011.
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"Today, Motorola just floored users with an unprecedented offer: if you bought a phone from Motorola that launched in 2011, most of you will receive an upgrade to Jelly Bean.
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I swear "most of you" aren't defy+ users.
Being a defy+ user doesn't matter much. Just flash GB kernel and our defy is a defy +...with a few glitches with camera module that is.
But abt this news. ...even if we do get jellybean....don't expect a 3.0 kernel, which is what we want an unlocked BL for. Sony updated their 2011 xperia lineup with ICS ....but most of the phones with ICS still are running 2.6.32 or 2.6.35 kernels...
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Being a defy+ user doesn't matter much. Just flash GB kernel and our defy is a defy +...with a few glitches with camera module that is.
But abt this news. ...even if we do get jellybean....don't expect a 3.0 kernel, which is what we want an unlocked BL for. Sony updated their 2011 xperia lineup with ICS ....but most of the phones with ICS still are running 2.6.32 or 2.6.35 kernels...
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yeah, but an official jb kernel would still be better than the current gb one.
anyway, we probably wont fit in the 'most devices'. so we will have a 100$ discount from a new moto device, yay! unfortunately i will never buy a moto phone again...
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erm it say they will 'try to'
so get back to ur daily chores... no need to get ur hopes high...
ill be suprised if defy gets an update
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yeah, but an official jb kernel would still be better than the current gb one.
anyway, we probably wont fit in the 'most devices'. so we will have a 100$ discount from a new moto device, yay! unfortunately i will never buy a moto phone again...
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$100 discount is only for Verizon customers. Even right now the three new models that they released today are Verizon exclusive.
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yeah, but an official jb kernel would still be better than the current gb one.
anyway, we probably wont fit in the 'most devices'. so we will have a 100$ discount from a new moto device, yay! unfortunately i will never buy a moto phone again...
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Lol....u didn't read wt I said....even IF we get jb or ICS....it most probably won't be on a jb kernel...it will remain on 2.6.x kernel like with the xperia lineup
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Even if jb WAS released for defy+, I would be werry werry wary of upgrading, as the rom would be locked down so tight again it would take ages, or never, to be rooted.
Yh i think you guys are right and a little something for people who still believe in motorola for unlocked boot loaders
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/05/droid-razr-m-and-hd-dev-editions-bring-unlockable-bootloaders-to/
IF u care about unlocked boot loaders then I think you should forget and not listen to moto's words cuz they're just lying
I mean why do they still need to sell so called Bull**** developer edition devices if they have a unlock tool like HTC now......
It just makes no sense.
I think Defy has no hope but defy+ maybe..... But I might be wrong
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Yh i think you guys are right and a little something for people who still believe in motorola for unlocked boot loaders
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/05/droid-razr-m-and-hd-dev-editions-bring-unlockable-bootloaders-to/
IF u care about unlocked boot loaders then I think you should forget and not listen to moto's words cuz they're just lying
I mean why do they still need to sell so called Bull**** developer edition devices if they have a unlock tool like HTC now......
It just makes no sense.
I think Defy has no hope but defy+ maybe..... But I might be wrong
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even if the moto decides no to upgrade defy+ , wht would they say about defyXT MB535, it is the same hardware except that front camera , they cannot cancel JB update for defyXT as it was launched in 2012 itself lets c ..
defy+ or defyXT .. anything will do
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wht would they say about defyXT MB535, it is the same hardware except that front camera
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Unfortunately you're wrong, the Defy XT is a completely different phone.
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Unfortunately you're wrong, the Defy XT is a completely different phone.
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That's true with its all power Qualcomm 1ghz processor etc....
This was on a Verizon press conference. Is the defy+ on Verizon? I don't know. I think Verizon persists on the boot loader (as with the sIII). Because Verizon is an important reseller, I think they will keep the Verizon versions locked.
All s**t about Verizon. What about other markets?!
You can get retail Defy/+ for $400 here (original from official Motorola distributor), and locked bootloader?!!!! Seriously?!! Only because Verizon says NO in USA?!!
You don't care about other markets?!!!
Also i sent 20 tweets to Motorola, Motorola Mobility, MotoDev and Motorola Support regarding update for November and December (2010) devices!
Waiting for reply!
Verizon.........seriously.......
Someone from the german android-hilfe.de forum wrote an email to the motorola support:
Your device will remain on 2.3.
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NO update for defy+!
This annoucement is just bad marketing joke from moto. Defy shall receive no update, it is just too old for them to actually do anything with it. They hope current motophone owners will buy new models because of discount.
I've had the LT28at for almost a year now and I absolutely hate it. After being screwed by both Sony and AT&T it never really lived up to its hype. I find it slow and extremely buggy, and even after manually installing jellybean (.96 at that) it never really got any better, but in fact much worse. I was just wondering if anyone else here felt the same way? Or differently? Please leave your comments below.
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I've had the LT28at for almost a year now and I absolutely hate it. After being screwed by both Sony and AT&T it never really lived up to its hype. I find it slow and extremely buggy, and even after manually installing jellybean (.96 at that) it never really got any better, but in fact much worse. I was just wondering if anyone else here felt the same way? Or differently? Please leave your comments below.
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try http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2485148
i flashed and it works great, smooth and responsive. it will the last firmware i'd ever flash on my ion
eiclkun said:
try http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2485148
i flashed and it works great, smooth and responsive. it will the last firmware i'd ever flash on my ion
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It looks okay but no one has been able to fully port the honami camera without bugs. Besides, We shouldn't have to flash on any mods to get a smooth and responsive smartphone from 2012. Especially one that had so much hype. It just goes to show that neither Sony nor AT&T cared much about it. It's not even on their website anymore, which shows Sony didn't follow through with their "18 months of support" policy
Actually Sony did follow through. The Ion has been out for longer than 18 months now. If you want a stable rom on the AT then run the Rogers 211. It is the only firmware I have had no issue with. Even running most the ported ZU and Z1 stuff it works great. The one thing that has bugged me is trying to use Honami framework as the device does not seem to like it much. Even supercharged it seems to have issues.
Do I feel cheated?? No not really seeing as I payed nothing for the thing. At this point I don't really see myself getting rid of it. I would love to have the boot unlocked but oh well. I plan to pick up a Z once they drop down some more and it has so much dev stuff available. I for one am not real happy with where android is heading now and none of the newer devices are getting my attention.
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Actually Sony did follow through. The Ion has been out for longer than 18 months now. If you want a stable rom on the AT then run the Rogers 211. It is the only firmware I have had no issue with. Even running most the ported ZU and Z1 stuff it works great. The one thing that has bugged me is trying to use Honami framework as the device does not seem to like it much. Even supercharged it seems to have issues.
Do I feel cheated?? No not really seeing as I payed nothing for the thing. At this point I don't really see myself getting rid of it. I would love to have the boot unlocked but oh well. I plan to pick up a Z once they drop down some more and it has so much dev stuff available. I for one am not real happy with where android is heading now and none of the newer devices are getting my attention.
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Don't mean to argue the point but the ion has been out for 17 months (June 2012) and it has been dropped, especially the AT&T variant which is stuck on ICS, the last update being in May. And I've tried all of the jelly bean firmwares including the unofficial 96, (why unofficial when the Xperia S got it officially?) and they all have problems, not to mention all of this voids your warranty. The way I look at it at this day in age when you buy what is advertised to be a "high end" smartphone, it should at least be bug free or close to it out of the box. I shouldnt have to void my warranty
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Don't mean to argue the point but the ion has been out for 17 months (June 2012) and it has been dropped, especially the AT&T variant which is stuck on ICS, the last update being in May. And I've tried all of the jelly bean firmwares including the unofficial 96, (why unofficial when the Xperia S got it officially?) and they all have problems, not to mention all of this voids your warranty. The way I look at it at this day in age when you buy what is advertised to be a "high end" smartphone, it should at least be bug free or close to it out of the box. I shouldnt have to void my warranty
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Last I checked rooting does not void your warranty. Unlocking boot loader does but on the AT it cant be done anymore unless something changes. What I have learned at this point is do not buy carrier phones as they are really locking them down at this point. If you want a top notch no bug phone then good luck because there really isn't one. So very few current devices are bug free now with carriers and the oem trying to stuff so much crap in the darn thing. But it is what it is I guess.
I will say it is possible using this great community work to fix the bugs and have a awesome device. You just have to do a little leg work.
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Last I checked rooting does not void your warranty. Unlocking boot loader does but on the AT it cant be done anymore unless something changes. What I have learned at this point is do not buy carrier phones as they are really locking them down at this point. If you want a top notch no bug phone then good luck because there really isn't one. So very few current devices are bug free now with carriers and the oem trying to stuff so much crap in the darn thing. But it is what it is I guess.
I will say it is possible using this great community work to fix the bugs and have a awesome device. You just have to do a little leg work.
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I hear you on that, and I know that bug free is of course impossible and probably always will be. Nothing's perfect. But what I'm saying is that there's so many little things, the LED for example. It's barely visible, and Sony didn't fix it for the ICS update or the Jelly bean update and we all know how easy it is to fix, with root. Which does void your warranty because it counts as tampering.
In my opinion, the Ion hasn't gotten "updates", just different firmwares. Each firmware has its own advantages but they come at the expense of something else. I agree that hardware wise it has great potential, but it's the locked bootloader issue that's holding it back
This phone has great potential. It just the fact we cant unlock the bootloader. And because of that, i sim unlocked to phone and dropped at&t. Im now using T-Mobile. My next step is to buy a different phone. And sad to say it but i dont think i will ever buy sony again. My first sony phone and not being able to unlock the bootloader... *Sigh* im going back to htc for good. Buh Bye Sony!
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Good luck with HTC. They have some really bad hardware issues these days.
I sold my ion for 100$ seems fair to me, new phones will almost all phones will have their loaders locked for contract phones, I'll just buy them outright and sell my upgrades for the cash
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Good luck with HTC. They have some really bad hardware issues these days.
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I have always had good luck with htc. Htc evo htc incredible htc incredible 2 htc one. Every htc i have ever owned never had hardware issues.
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derrickdroid said:
I have always had good luck with htc. Htc evo htc incredible htc incredible 2 htc one. Every htc i have ever owned never had hardware issues.
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The Evo and Inc 2 had allot of problems. I had two inc 2 that had the ear speaker break. I have also fixed quite a few on Evo's and Thunderbolts as well. Just a little reading on xda and you will see it is very common on all HTC stuff the last few years.
I came from the Xperia X10, which was free with AT&T .
Then I went to the ION, for free also
I have to say that stock Sony ROM's are very stable and fully working.
I have never had any issues, unless I have been adding mods and tweaks.
If you get the phone free then stock with root and recovery is the best you can hope for.
If you had paid full price and were able to use custom kernels and ROM's you could tweak it exactly the way you like.
I have had no issues with the camera, still or video.
To this day I would still recommend this phone to all the people I know for an excellent daily phone. I don't know anyone else into phones & XDA like I am.
My only gripe is that the ION doesn't completely rotate. Like the lock screen & the home launcher. Even with my Sony smart dock it wont rotate without a video connection.
I do use a honami launcher mod as a workaround.
This is not an AT&T issue though.
I do NOT feel cheated at all.
I got exactly what I paid for. Over $800 in Sony phones for a total of $0.02. 1 penny each.