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So I see lots of threads/posts about PenTile. Found this to be interesting, sharing it. It's mainly in regards to Samsung Galaxy S3 but as we know, Galaxy Nexus uses PenTile as well. So it would apply for our phones as well.
Samsung's Philip Berne explained to me that the blue subpixels on AMOLED displays actually degrade the fastest - quicker than the red or green subpixels. With a PenTile layout, the subpixels are arranged RGBG (red, green, blue, green), so they feature more green subpixels and fewer red or blue subpixels than an RGB stripe layout with the same resolution. Because of this, AMOLED displays that have the PenTile layout tend to have a longer lifespan than those with RGB layouts. Since Samsung is selling its phones to users that usually keep them for 18 months or longer, it has to be sure that the display will still offer peak performance at that time. According to the company, PenTile AMOLED displays have proven to be more reliable than those with RGB layouts.
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Source: http://www.mobileburn.com/19548/new...ed-displays-last-longer-thats-why-we-use-them
Thanks. Saw a few links to this. I don't really see what the issue is with PenTile. In normal use, its next to impossibile to see.
I think what people have bigger issues with are banding/discoloring/streaking, not necessarily the PenTile arrangement. Its just a nice 1-word "catch all" for not liking a display.
Motorola gave PenTile a bad name using rbgw arrangements. Now everyone assumes they will get screendoor effects.
adrynalyne said:
Motorola gave PenTile a bad name using rbgw arrangements. Noe everyone assumes they will get screendoor effects.
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The RAZR coming out ~same time as the Nexus with that god-awful display definitely gave a negative connotation to "PenTile".
Pentile was somewhat noticeable on the first SAMOLED display that they had in the SGS lineup, but only when it was text on a solid background. With SAMOLED HD, the pixel density is so high that I have yet to be able to see a jagged edge on text anywhere. I wonder what people would think if Apple used a Pentile matrix on an iProduct. Probably be the best thing in display technology rather than the most hated if it happened.
I love my galaxy nexus and my friend got a htc one x and it does look really good but I prefer my nexus maybe cause I like dark colors
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Yeah I agree with Motorola giving PenTile a bad name. When I first saw the Galaxy Nexus screen, I didn't even notice any differences. I don't know the technical terms on why it's different but compared to my previous phones, Nexus S / Galaxy S1 (Vibrant).. I don't really see any difference, in fact the GN looks even better but that might just be Super AMOLED HD. But whatever it is, it looks amazing.
The people criticizing about PenTile without even looking at the phone or trying it for a week or two need to re-evaluate themselves.
Ya, but Samsung still has not found a good enough manufacturing process to make regular "Super AMOLED+ HD" Screens at 4.6inch+ (hence the pen tile). That's why the screen's pen tile.
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imnuts said:
I wonder what people would think if Apple used a Pentile matrix on an iProduct. Probably be the best thing in display technology rather than the most hated if it happened.
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Hopefully apple wont make a mistake like that.
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Hopefully apple wont make a mistake like that.
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I doubt apple would I still remember that first iphone and the screen was amazing phone kind of suck tho
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Y'know, I always thought that PenTile would bother me too much to ever use a phone. I'd seen some devices that used older or low-end versions of it, and they looked terrible.
I was apprehensive at best of getting the Galaxy Nexus. PenTile and the lack of an SD card slot bothered me, to say the least. Over time, I've grown to love the phone. Much of that is because while there are some issues with the PenTile display, such as some banding and purplish greys at very low or lowest brightness settings, these issues aren't noticed even at a slightly raised brightness settings. Otherwise, the display is one of the best performing displays I've ever had the pleasure of using. The colors are bright and vibrant, the blacks are black, there are no light bleeds common with backlit displays and the outdoor performance, while not the best, is still excellent.
Super AMOLED HD isn't perfect, but it's certainly a good step forward in the evolution of display technology.
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Hopefully apple wont make a mistake like that.
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Didn't you know? Apple never makes mistakes
When I was looking at new phones, Pentile bugged the hell out of me every time I saw it. I swore I'd never buy a phone that used it. After Google started selling the Galaxy Nexus, I took a look at the VZW model just for kicks, and I honestly couldn't tell the difference unless I held it point-blank.
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I love my galaxy nexus and my friend got a htc one x and it does look really good but I prefer my nexus maybe cause I like dark colors
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Owning both devices, I actually prefer the one X screen over the nexus. Not by
a drastic margin though. Pentile displays are pretty atrocious on smaller resolution
screens (qhD or below).
It's a non-issue on the nexus.
I can tell occasionally but the high Res far outweighs the small nuance of seeing it in certain situations and being HD it still looks great. :thumbup::thumbup: for HD rgbg pen tile.
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I thought the issues of the blue sub-pixels degrading faster than the red and green ones had been, basically, sorted - at least in as much that the degradation, whilst still faster than the other sub-pixels, was now slow enough that it was not particularly perceptible over the lifespan of the device (at least for the likes of phones, which are replaced much quicker than most consumer electronics devices).
I mean, according to Wikipedia the typical time for blue sub-pixels to degrade to half their original brightness is 14,000 hours - or 8 hours a day for 5 years.
Now I don't know about the rest of you but I don't have my handset's screen on for anywhere near 8 hours a day nor do I expect to still be using it in 5 years time.
And on top of that, it talks about 'experimental' blue OLED panels which can sustain 400 cd/m2 for over 62,000 hours - and that was in 2007.
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Ya, but Samsung still has not found a good enough manufacturing process to make regular "Super AMOLED+ HD" Screens at 4.6inch+ (hence the pen tile). That's why the screen's pen tile.
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Wrong. Galaxy tab 7.7 . If Samsung put samoled HD plus in sgs3 the price for the phone would be too damn high and the difference between screens quality is not that big as people who haven't even used it or used sgs1 with small resolution are trying to tell.
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Wrong. Galaxy tab 7.7 . If Samsung put samoled HD plus in sgs3 the price for the phone would be too damn high and the difference between screens quality is not that big as people who haven't even used it or used sgs1 with small resolution are trying to tell.
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The Galaxy Tab 7.7 is using a SAMOLED+ screen that is ~7". It is not a SAMOLED HD screen despite having an HD resolution. At least they do not advertise it as SAMOLED HD, it is listed as an HD resolution SAMOLED+ display.
When the g nex first came out all I say was the horrible screen. So I bought the t mo gs2 which had the ugliest screen resolution ever so I got a nexus. The screen on the phone is awesome dark blacks deep colors this is a great screen. The super LCD 2 is nice but I prefer this
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Wrong. Galaxy tab 7.7 . If Samsung put samoled HD plus in sgs3 the price for the phone would be too damn high and the difference between screens quality is not that big as people who haven't even used it or used sgs1 with small resolution are trying to tell.
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Bingo. I think Samsung is just trying to get the most value out of their current process-level.
The panel in my (oft mentioned) ET4G SGS2 is roughly the same exact dimensions as the GNex screen....though if you multiply 800x640x12 (subpixels) you come up with the same exact number you would if you multiplied 1280x720x5 .....and that 5 is where the damning "Pentile" moniker comes from.
So, that means these two (oft compared) panels have the same amount of subpixels arranged in the same amount of space in a slightly (or vastly, depending on how you looked at it) configuration.
So, for solid colors--aside from calibration differences and luminance (brightness) differences--the panels are effectively identical. I know I simplified a lot of the dynamics away with those qualifications, but, in this scenario we have the same amount of subpixels in the same exact density making the same exact color...
Before I decided to swap up to the GNex I marched down to the Sprint store and did the nerdiest side-by-side comparison I could and there wasn't a single moment where I had any question which screen I'd rather be looking at all the time....It's the GNex. The only thing I noticed was that it wasn't as cornea scarringly bright....big deal....after 30 seconds of screen-on maxed out the SGS2 screen turns itself down to prevent damage or something.....and then it's dimmer than the GNex anyway.
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Apple is anal. They do alot more testing than Samsung because people will actually use + buy there phones well past its 18 month life span.
I know the resolution is the same, but this doesn't mean it's the same screen. In particular, the nexus 10 had awful colours and wasn't very bright
In comparison the original note 10.1 had great colours and was brighter, so I'm hoping the panel on the note 10.1 is the best of both worlds
Any ideas?
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I know the resolution is the same, but this doesn't mean it's the same screen. In particular, the nexus 10 had awful colours and wasn't very bright
In comparison the original note 10.1 had great colours and was brighter, so I'm hoping the panel on the note 10.1 is the best of both worlds
Any ideas?
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well according to many sources incl. android police the answer should be no as i dont recall the nexus 10 using "clear pixels"
http://www.androidauthority.com/note-10-1-2014-edition-rgbw-lcd-pentile-268340/
All reviews I've seen are great on the screen so I have no reason to believe that it will be a bad screen.
This Note 10.1 is said to have a bright screen.
I have a nexus 7 2013 and I'm thinking of selling it because the screen is too small for me. I'm looking at buying a gpad but there are two things holding me back:
The battery life - I regularly get 10+ hours of screen time with 2 days total usage on my nexus 7, does the gpad have a similar battery life?
The screen brightness - I keep hearing that the screen brightness on this tablet is pretty low, what do you guys think?
Thanks for your help.
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I have a nexus 7 2013 and I'm thinking of selling it because the screen is too small for me. I'm looking at buying a gpad but there are two things holding me back:
The battery life - I regularly get 10+ hours of screen time with 2 days total usage on my nexus 7, does the gpad have a similar battery life?
The screen brightness - I keep hearing that the screen brightness on this tablet is pretty low, what do you guys think?
Thanks for your help.
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I also have a Nexus 7 2013 and just purchased the G Pad. To be fair the G Pad is a very good device but so far the Nexus 7 is by far the better device. Screen is much better on Nexus. Its more of an auto brightness problem on the G Pad, if you manually turn it up its bright, but the auto function does not keep it bright enough. I have a yellow area at the top of the G Pad and Its making me contimplate exchanging it, or returning it altogether, because of the many stories of faulty screens with this thing. If you search further into the Ipad Air forums you will see that they have terrible yellowing issues with there screens and guess who makes those screens for Apple. Some Ipads have an entire side that is yellow.
I have only charged mine twice, but for me the Nexus 7 wins hands down for battery. I have both devices set up exactly the same, except I share the 7 with the wife who has an account on it. I get an easy 6 hours screen time over several days and still have 20% remaining. The G pad I have gotten 5 hours out of it and its been below 10%.
Hope this helps.
If you need the screen size, get the gpad. The fact the bezel is small, fools most people into thinking they are the same size.
To your questions:
Screen is bright enough, auto brightness lacks, but since you are in xda you can find a rom that allows you to correct it.
As for the battery, they have similar mahs, so any difference comes down to screen size/brightness and android version. Maybe the Google edition is closer to your needs?
Not exactly relevant,but have a look at this review: it might address your concerns about the screen
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/LG-G-Pad-8.3-vs-Apple-iPad-mini-2-with-Retina-Display_id3527
Ps:I had the old nexus 7, I have spent some time with the new one, and I own the lg gpad. Gpad is in a different category.
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G Pad 8.3 looks like its display brightness is turned down all the way.
I have the G Pad, and trust me when I say this, it is bright enough. Outdoor use & direct sunlight will be a problem, but indoors - Max brightness is almost always too much
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I have the G Pad, and trust me when I say this, it is bright enough. Outdoor use & direct sunlight will be a problem, but indoors - Max brightness is almost always too much
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I completely agree. On my Nexus 4 the brightness is never more than 60% for me. The same for my Note 10.1. At night, in bed I often put the brightness to minimum, and it still feels to much. With the G Pad... Wow, I love the minimum. On sunny days, i do max out the brightness, but I find it perfectly good enough.
I have to say, i absolutely love the auto brightness on the G Pad. You can configure the auto brightness.... Fantastic.
Indoors I run mine at 30% brightness in daylight and 20% with room lights after dark. I have tested outdoors, but never actually used it seriously outdoors, but it seems to cope. I accept that it could be brighter, but it is OK.
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Indoors I run mine at 30% brightness in daylight and 20% with room lights after dark. I have tested outdoors, but never actually used it seriously outdoors, but it seems to cope. I accept that it could be brighter, but it is OK.
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Same here - I run at 35% indoors and down to 20% in the dark, and oftentimes the latter is too bright for me. Also, I have a matte screen protector which dims it a smidge further... No problems for me.
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note sure if you already bought the tablet but here is a comparision between my g pad and tab 3 8.0. Tab 3 is on the bottom and you can see the brightness is higher on it but images look washed out. If you see the g pad, you can see a bit dimmer but the picture is amazing. The tab is only 800 by 1280 but I just wanted to show you the brightness at 100%.
Impromark said:
Same here - I run at 35% indoors and down to 20% in the dark, and oftentimes the latter is too bright for me. Also, I have a matte screen protector which dims it a smidge further... No problems for me.
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Indoors I run mine at 30% brightness in daylight and 20% with room lights after dark. I have tested outdoors, but never actually used it seriously outdoors, but it seems to cope. I accept that it could be brighter, but it is OK.
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note sure if you already bought the tablet but here is a comparision between my g pad and tab 3 8.0. Tab 3 is on the bottom and you can see the brightness is higher on it but images look washed out. If you see the g pad, you can see a bit dimmer but the picture is amazing. The tab is only 800 by 1280 but I just wanted to show you the brightness at 100%.
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I had mine before I had to RMA and I was shocked it was really bright for me. From all the complaints people get I thought it would be really dim but it was just fine. I never use my electronics outside but yeah direct sunlight will probably greatly reduce visibility. Anyway I found it was pretty bright for me.
Brightness is very low. Bad screen. How to fix?
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Brightness is very low. Bad screen. How to fix?
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You have it set to 100% brightness and it still isn't bright enough? Better get another tablet.
I had one for a few days. I really like some aspects of the pad, but I found it very difficult to watch a video with dark scenes even with the brightness at 100%. I got a 2013 N7 at the same time. It won out, but it is my fifth google device so I'm biased. I did not think the google edition gpad worth the extra cost. I was hoping it would be closer to iPad mini retina. Yeah, I really considered throwing an apple in the basket.
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I had one for a few days. I really like some aspects of the pad, but I found it very difficult to watch a video with dark scenes even with the brightness at 100%. I got a 2013 N7 at the same time. It won out, but it is my fifth google device so I'm biased. I did not think the google edition gpad worth the extra cost. I was hoping it would be closer to iPad mini retina. Yeah, I really considered throwing an apple in the basket.
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My wife has a mini retina. IMO, it's really boring compared to my G Pad. And crippled in many ways.
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My wife has a mini retina. IMO, it's really boring compared to my G Pad. And crippled in many ways.
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I can see the "boring" part although I was looking forward to eventually trying a jailbreak. Hubby's ALL Apple, sons are mixed, and I'm PC/Android. They will let me do anything to their Androids, but no one will let me "play" with Iphones or Ipads. :'(
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I had one for a few days. I really like some aspects of the pad, but I found it very difficult to watch a video with dark scenes even with the brightness at 100%. I got a 2013 N7 at the same time. It won out, but it is my fifth google device so I'm biased. I did not think the google edition gpad worth the extra cost. I was hoping it would be closer to iPad mini retina. Yeah, I really considered throwing an apple in the basket.
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yea, it is definitely dim compared to others. I like both the n7 and this one but reason I like lg pad is the 8.3" screen. If nexus comes out with something like that soon, I would buy it..
I have a samsung galaxy s3 and while it's not that bright ive never had any major issues and generally happy at home and out and about such as commute. I note that it has a brightness rating of 224 whereas the lg g pad is rated at 289 cd/m2. Wondering if this is a good comparison when thinking about buying g pad and brightness. This makes the g pad brighter?
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I have a samsung galaxy s3 and while it's not that bright ive never had any major issues and generally happy at home and out and about such as commute. I note that it has a brightness rating of 224 whereas the lg g pad is rated at 289 cd/m2. Wondering if this is a good comparison when thinking about buying g pad and brightness. This makes the g pad brighter?
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Max brightness is difficult to assess on OLED screens like the one in your Galaxy S3 because they dynamically adapt the total output of the panel in order to stay within a power limit (like plasmas do, too), so that means that depending on the way the screen of the GS3 was measured it could produce whites much brighter than 224 cd/m² if the screen isn't entirely white, whereas LCDs max output don't vary depending on what content is displayed.
After about 2 months, I gave up on the G Pad due to its lack of brightness and clarity while viewing movies. Nexus 7 2013 blew it away. People will say there is no difference, but if you do actual side by side you will see what you are missing.
The screen is fine for webpages, but running it at 100% brightness to watch a movie, especially dark or night scenes is not worth the price given the alternatives.
Yeah it does have lower screen brightness but I use screen filter so often on my Atrix 2 to further darken the screen it's not a huge deal for me that this screen can't get super bright it would be nice of course for better visibility outside in the sun but I rarely if ever use my tablet like that but if your looking for that high level of brightness stay away very good tablet otherwise especially for the 284 I paid. The actual screen quality is very good the included HD time lapse videos in the gallery are breath taking to look at and really show off the tablets screen quality. There my go to videos when I show the tablet off to people. Its a shame a lot of the most common source of video streaming I use are so limited in quality on android that they don't do the screen justice but I can get around most of those limitations using a web browser.
Crunchyroll's android app is limited to there lowest quality sd video setting which looks ok on my Atrix 2 but really bad here. I can get around it by using a web browser to login in view the videos in Gorious 1080P and they look really nice on this tablet I actually don't mind watching anime on this over my 1080i Sony Trinitron CRT not as good blacks and overall picture quality but still it's good enough which compared to that t.v is quite a compliment. Also anime looks really sharp on this due to the high ppi and I can view it from real close. There are some compromises but it also does things better and I'm willing To make them before I really didn't like watching on any other screen feeling I was missing out in screen quality.
The YouTube app is also limited to 720p but again I use a browser to view to get around this when quality is a priority not as convenient and with plenty of high resolution tablets out even some above 1080p including Google's own nexus 10 you think Google would allow 1080p streaming if not 4K streaming through the app. Netflix app also seems to be locked at a lower bitrate and non HD and since its silver light no way to view through browser. But I think being only 4.2.2 limits me. Hopefully when the 4.4 updates comes out I can access higher video quality through the app this screen could really benefit from the all bitrate netflix could offer Super HD would look fantastic on this screen. I'm not sure if they offer that on 4.3+ android devices or if it's limited to there regular 1080p bitrate or 720p on android with even Google crippling there own YouTube app I wouldn't be surprised which is a shame.
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I've been seen a lot of bashing going on regarding the OP3'd display, which is getting rather annoying.
I've put together a side-by-side comparing my OP3 to my Note 4.
Notes: The OP3 is using the screen protector out of the box, which is admittedly pretty garbage. The Note 4 also has a screen protector (plastic), but it's a premium brand.
Settings: The OP3 is at full brightness with the color temperature slider all the way to the right. The Note 4 is using AMOLED photo mode at full brightness. I took this photo with a Canon G7X and locked the color balance using a grey card. These photos are untouched, other than cropping and resizing slightly.
Can you tell which is which? Does one have more detail over the other?
OP3: Left
Samsung Galaxy Note 4: Right
I'd suggest looking at this photo on a calibrated monitor for better accuracy.
(I've included the original file to compare to).
I'd also like to add that critics are calling the OP3 display as the "worst display", while the Note 4 has one of the best in recent years.
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Awesome man, thanks for this. The exaggerations of the media (one way or another) drive me nuts. This puts to rest my only concern.
The colors on the oneplus are way too over saturated. The skin tones look orange. This is nitpicking obviously. Oneplus said they're releasing an update anyways to address this issue so it won't be a problem. The note 4 has a better display doesn't change anything .
There's also a blue cast on the oneplus screen.
That screen banding in the blue sky on the OP3, is it something that came up in the photo or can you actually see it? Because colours slightly off I can take, but that is a big no
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That screen banding in the blue sky on the OP3, is it something that came up in the photo or can you actually see it? Because colours slightly off I can take, but that is a big no
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That's actually because of the screen protector. It also smears fingerprints really bad despite me cleaning it.
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malek777 said:
The colors on the oneplus are way too over saturated. The skin tones look orange. This is nitpicking obviously. Oneplus said they're releasing an update anyways to address this issue so it won't be a problem. The note 4 has a better display doesn't change anything .
There's also a blue cast on the oneplus screen.
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It may have been bias to yellow/orange/red because I had the color temperature cranked all the way to the right. Also, if you are viewing that image from a monitor that is not calibrated it will look bad (or at least much worse than in real life).
I asked my wife which looked better and she immediately picked the OP3. Ironically, citing it was sharper/more detailed and the colors are more natural.
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While neither is very accurate, if I had to choose between the two then it'd be the OP3 for sure.
While over-saturated, the colors look more natural in comparison to the blueish tint that the Note 4 has which is particularly obvious on the whites.
As for the "worst screen" comment, all that bull started from the (admittedly honest) Anandtech review and a rather poor choice of words, especially as "worst" is actually a rather inaccurate word seeing as what they meant was that the calibration was the furthest off from "true-to-life" than any other screen.
To their credit, they were quick to mention that this was obviously BY DESIGN as in, OnePlus actually CHOSE to steer away from color accuracy in favor of more pleasing colors and also mentioned that OnePlus apparently targeted the NTSC color gamut instead of the more natural-looking sRGB.
That's also the part where they mentioned that OnePlus will be adding an sRGB option in the next OTA, at which point they'll re-evaluate that part of the review.
IMHO it is sad that an honest account of a critical reviewer was taken out of context and used from people that never even saw the phone up close to bash it.
I can understand why OnePlus calibrated this AMOLED display the way they did. Coming from the OnePlus 2's IPS LCD, they wanted to flex a bit with the OnePlus 3 and wow us in a similar manner as Samsung is always wowing users with their screens. Could you trade a Honda for a Lexus and not open her up a bit on the highway on the way home?
There are inevitably going to be people who like the punchy, poppy colors of the OnePlus 3 display and those who would prefer it to be more subdued and true-to-life. The admirable thing is that OnePlus is working on an update that will allow users to choose which they prefer. I think that's truly commendable.
Note 4 was a good display but not the best these days. I have Note 3,4,Nexus 6/6P, S7Edge. I find the OP3 is the closest to Note 3, it has same resolution. The colors are better on the OP3, the brightness better on Note3. I think some areas the OP3 is a bit washed out in the reds compare to Note 4. The Nexus 6p most neutral. S7Edge colors are bold. So I don't think OP3 has a bad display, it's better than Nexus 6, a bit better than Note 3 can't say it's better or worse really. So perhaps there are bad screens out there but I am lucky that mine is good overall.
so do this again with sRGB for color accuracy people
I had a deep look at my coworker's OP3, after he updated to 3.2.1 with sRGB feature added.
Well, I think it is a very good display and I like it a lot better when in sRGB mode: much more natural colors, less "neon glow" effect.
That said, my colleague prefers the native color calibration so again it all comes down to personal preferences.
Note 4 has one of the best in recent years?
hell no. Both of them have yellowish tone and too over saturated. For me, high quality IPS is the best, for ex : sony Z4
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Note 4 has one of the best in recent years?
hell no. Both of them have yellowish tone and too over saturated. For me, high quality IPS is the best, for ex : sony Z4
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It was rated as the most accurate display of it's time. This is not using Samsung display modes btw.
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I've been seen a lot of bashing going on regarding the OP3'd display, which is getting rather annoying.
I've put together a side-by-side comparing my OP3 to my Note 4.
Notes: The OP3 is using the screen protector out of the box, which is admittedly pretty garbage. The Note 4 also has a screen protector (plastic), but it's a premium brand.
Settings: The OP3 is at full brightness with the color temperature slider all the way to the right. The Note 4 is using AMOLED photo mode at full brightness. I took this photo with a Canon G7X and locked the color balance using a grey card. These photos are untouched, other than cropping and resizing slightly.
Can you tell which is which? Does one have more detail over the other?
OP3: Left
Samsung Galaxy Note 4: Right
I'd suggest looking at this photo on a calibrated monitor for better accuracy.
(I've included the original file to compare to).
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Do you happen to have an older phone by the way? Please compare it to that too and then convince us with your results that based on your comparison you came to the conclusion that this display is great. Jokes aside, compare it to a recent flagship not to something that was made 3 ywars ago.
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Do you happen to have an older phone by the way? Please compare it to that too and then convince us with your results that based on your comparison you came to the conclusion that this display is great. Jokes aside, compare it to a recent flagship not to something that was made 3 ywars ago.
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Yeah, this is no longer something I need to prove as the srgb mode has made the OnePlus 3 one of the best out there: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10445/revisiting-the-oneplus-3/2
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Yeah, this is no longer something I need to prove as the srgb mode has made the OnePlus 3 one of the best out there: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10445/revisiting-the-oneplus-3/2
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Sure sure in your dreams may be. Nobody uses srgb mode anyways because whites are so yellow. But if you are that shallow person to just go by what a review said then go ahead stick to srgb lol
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brickedvice said:
Sure sure in your dreams may be. Nobody uses srgb mode anyways because whites are so yellow. But if you are that shallow person to just go by what a review said then go ahead stick to srgb lol
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So what exactly are you doubting? That the sRGB mode on the OP3 isn't as accurate as professional equipment says it is, or that your eyes know what "real white" looks like?
I happen to calibrate multiple monitors using high end equipment, and to most people white looks "warm". The sRGB mode on the OP3 looks as accurate as any monitor I work on, so what's the problem?
And fortunately, professionals don't use eyes to determine color accuracy and white points, so this argument really is silly.
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So what exactly are you doubting? That the sRGB mode on the OP3 isn't as accurate as professional equipment says it is, or that your eyes know what "real white" looks like?
I happen to calibrate multiple monitors using high end equipment, and to most people white looks "warm". The sRGB mode on the OP3 looks as accurate as any monitor I work on, so what's the problem?
And fortunately, professionals don't use eyes to determine color accuracy and white points, so this argument really is silly.
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Professionals my arse. I don't care what "professionals" call white inside a lab. This is real life, not lab life. If you think those yellow whites are the real whites then you are due for an eyes appointment really soon. We are talking display quality here, not calibration quality. If you want to talk about display quality then compare it to 2016 devices, not to 2013 devices. Your Note 4 is too old, sorry.
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This is real life, not lab life. If you think those yellow whites are the real whites then you are due for an eyes appointment really soon. We are talking display quality here, not calibration quality.
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So instruments which measure display color accuracy aren't to be trusted? In "real life" we generally don't allow subjective preference to override objective measurements.
I can't understand why anyone would be upset about this. If you don't prefer accurate whites then go with a display that gives cool whites instead.
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Hello everyone.
In considering the Oneplus 5t as a replacement to my good old Samsung note 4, especially for the price compared to today's flashships.
One of the main factors when I chose any device is the screen quality. I understand the 5t scores really high in this sector, but I'm worried about the resolution and screen DPI.
My note 4 and all today's flagships have higher resolutions, and I'm wondering if anyone has compared the 5t screen with other devices and can notice any real difference in daily life, mainly while browsing pictures were pixels become more evident.
I considered the Note 8 and LG v30, but I really can't stand those curved edges, and I don't need a pen since I don't use the one on my note 4.
Thanks!!
KamaL said:
Hello everyone.
In considering the Oneplus 5t as a replacement to my good old Samsung note 4, especially for the price compared to today's flagships.
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I upgraded from the Note 4 to the OP3T and then the 5T. My decision was based on easy root and Dev community. I cannot notice a significant difference in screen resolution (if you look at TV resolution guides you'll see that you need to be insanely close to the screen to notice on something as small as a phone). OnePlus allows you to manually adjust the DPI to suit your preference so you can have tiny icons and such. I love this phone compared to my Note 4. Way snappier and no slow down from TW.
I personally have never thought "this screen would be better if it was 4k". But Samsung's infinity display is definitely a better display if that is your only concern.
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I upgraded from the Note 4 to the OP3T and then the 5T. My decision was based on easy root and Dev community. I cannot notice a significant difference in screen resolution (if you look at TV resolution guides you'll see that you need to be insanely close to the screen to notice on something as small as a phone). OnePlus allows you to manually adjust the DPI to suit your preference so you can have tiny icons and such. I love this phone compared to my Note 4. Way snappier and no slow down from TW.
I personally have never thought "this screen would be better if it was 4k". But Samsung's infinity display is definitely a better display if that is your only concern.
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Thanks for the reply.
Since you had a note 4, how would you compare the screen with the 5t one? Would you consider the 5t an upgrade in terms of quality, color accuracy, brightness, watching angles etc?
Also, is the 5t camera overall an upgrade compared to the note 4?
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KamaL said:
Thanks for the reply.
Since you had a note 4, how would you compare the screen with the 5t one? Would you consider the 5t an upgrade in terms of quality, color accuracy, brightness, watching angles etc?
Also, is the 5t camera overall an upgrade compared to the note 4?
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Full disclosure I didn't use the camera on the Note 4 all that much, but looking through the pictures that I took with it the OP5T seems to take much better pictures. The portrait mode is also great to have.
As for the screen, I personally don't notice a difference in quality. Small text still has clearly defined edges that I can see. I don't use my phone for VR so I can't comment there. I really like the colors on the display and didn't notice any significant color difference between the two, but this is subjective. It is plenty bright and I think that might be an upgrade from the Note 4 as I seem to recall having to manually adjust the brightness to actually see it whenever I stepped outside and still having some issues. Viewing angles are also great with this phone. I don't have any color shift unless it's a pretty extreme angle.
The one thing the screen has going for it is it's size and lack of bezels, which I really love. Other than that I'd say you'd be hard pressed to find a significant difference between the two unless you looked really closely or had special equipment. So not really an upgrade in screen quality, but definitely not a downgrade. The rest of the phone is a huge improvement though. Way faster to use and a much better update schedule.
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Full disclosure I didn't use the camera on the Note 4 all that much, but looking through the pictures that I took with it the OP5T seems to take much better pictures. The portrait mode is also great to have.
As for the screen, I personally don't notice a difference in quality. Small text still has clearly defined edges that I can see. I don't use my phone for VR so I can't comment there. I really like the colors on the display and didn't notice any significant color difference between the two, but this is subjective. It is plenty bright and I think that might be an upgrade from the Note 4 as I seem to recall having to manually adjust the brightness to actually see it whenever I stepped outside and still having some issues. Viewing angles are also great with this phone. I don't have any color shift unless it's a pretty extreme angle.
The one thing the screen has going for it is it's size and lack of bezels, which I really love. Other than that I'd say you'd be hard pressed to find a significant difference between the two unless you looked really closely or had special equipment. So not really an upgrade in screen quality, but definitely not a downgrade. The rest of the phone is a huge improvement though. Way faster to use and a much better update schedule.
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Thanks . Such a reply is much better than any review on the net, as you gave real life experience.
I'm really satisfied with the Note 4 display, and if this isn't a downgrade, that's grade. Being with much less bezels and overall lighter is a huge plus too.
I'm a Note 4 to 3T and now 5T convert.
Updates aren't an issue with OP, they're doing a fine job now. If I had to complain, and I don't need to, it's the security updates are always behind.
I don't have the issues that a lot of others are having. I also don't have a lot of crap apps on my phone. 100% stock with dark theme, BT always on, brightness between half and 3/4 and I'm averaging 1.25 day of battery and 8hrs of SOT.
In regards to the screen, it's made by Samsung. I'm surprised at how easy it was to adjust to. Choose your preset or customize it and run with it.
Camera, hmm, it's good but not as good as the Note 4 in low lighting. Once you get to know how to use the camera, other pics come out quite nicely. Most of the pics I take are of circuit boards and car parts.
Audio, unfortunately I'm hearing impaired so I try not to comment on it. I will say that it seems like every other update the volume output changes either up or down. I notice this when I'm connected via BT to my cars radio.
I can't walk and chew gum so I'm not a VR user.
Hellz yeah it is. It's excellent and it's even better than some QHD displays out there like the G6.
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I honestly wouldn't worry about the screen resolution, it's fine, honest. On the plus side, the HD+ screen means the GPU has less pixels to push around.
My best advice would be to compare it side by side with other devices in the flesh if you can, that way you can see if you like the colour tone of the screen. I've spent several years using a succession of cheap devices bought directly from China. All of them have had LCD screens rather than AMOLED. I'm finding it very hard to get used to the screen because it looks so yellow whenever looking at anything white. If you want accurate colours (reds and blues accurate) you need to have the screen set to sRGB or DCI P3 and with either of those options whites look very yellow indeed. I've compared my phone to two other 5ts now and they have all been the same. I think I'm gradually getting used to it, but I've had to set the screen colour to 'custom' and as cool possible to get anywhere close to acceptable whites. The downside of this is it comes with very oversaturated reds. When comparing the 5t to the panels on the S8+ and Note, they seem whiter and generally a better panel.
Having said all this, I'm happy with the device in most ways and the resolution is basically fine for me.
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When comparing the 5t to the panels on the S8+ and Note, they seem whiter and generally a better panel.
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I actually find that the Samsung panels that I've been looking at (S8/Note 8/S7) have been generally the same as the 5T as far as whites go (very good), but the S8/Note 8 tends to have reddish whites and the S7 had a greenish white. The 5T was much better.
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I actually find that the Samsung panels that I've been looking at (S8/Note 8/S7) have been generally the same as the 5T as far as whites go (very good), but the S8/Note 8 tends to have reddish whites and the S7 had a greenish white. The 5T was much better.
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That's interesting, I wonder if the type of lighting makes a difference? In the shop where I compared them my eyes honestly thought the Samsungs had more pop AND better colours. Their whites were closest to the LCD screen on my old Xiaomi Redmi Note 2. I also felt that the middle range Samsung's had all the same 'issues' as my 5t, i.e. a bit yellow when displaying white backgrounds, and very over saturated reds that look almost scarlet or florescent. I guess it must come down to what each person is used to and how they perceive colour? I'm gradually getting used to the 5t and I really like how it looks when playing a game. Doom 3 looks really lovely on it
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That's interesting, I wonder if the type of lighting makes a difference? In the shop where I compared them my eyes honestly thought the Samsungs had more pop AND better colours. Their whites were closest to the LCD screen on my old Xiaomi Redmi Note 2. I also felt that the middle range Samsung's had all the same 'issues' as my 5t, i.e. a bit yellow when displaying white backgrounds, and very over saturated reds that look almost scarlet or florescent. I guess it must come down to what each person is used to and how they perceive colour? I'm gradually getting used to the 5t and I really like how it looks when playing a game. Doom 3 looks really lovely on it
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I think there are a lot of factors going on. Lighting, personal perception, etc.
I went from the original Oneplus One to the Nexus 6P and now to the 5T. At first, I was also a bit worried that the display on the 5T would be less sharp compared to the 6P, due to the difference in DPI. But when I got the 5T, I could hardly tell the difference. The display was just as good and even brighter and vivid.
Although OP5T screen is beautiful perfect, But if screen is still a concern, LG V30 is a way to go.
I guess only difference is resolution...Pixel counts.
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Although OP5T screen is beautiful perfect, But if screen is still a concern, LG V30 is a way to go.
I guess only difference is resolution...Pixel counts.
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Uhm, no.
The V30 has one of the worst screens of all current (flagship) phones.
The one in the 5T is way, way better.
In direct comparison with the S8 I can tell the difference. But its not to great. Colors and everything else are really similar. Unless you use it for VR its very ok in my opinion.
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Uhm, no.
The V30 has one of the worst screens of all current (flagship) phones.
The one in the 5T is way, way better.
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Can confirm. Had a pixel 2 xl for a few weeks (same LG POLED panel). Brightness uniformity is horrible and whites are very grainy. Don't miss anything about that display.