Does anyone know of any Bluetooth 4.0 profile headphones that look like the one in the picture? Amazon has the small buds and huge cover the ear type.
Mine are worn out and with the new N5 coming today i figured it is a good time to upgrade the headphones.
There is no advantage to having Bluetooth 4.0 headphones to those that use an earlier version of Bluetooth, though do get a more recent model of headphones as the A2DP works a lot better on them.
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There is no advantage to having Bluetooth 4.0 headphones to those that use an earlier version of Bluetooth, though do get a more recent model of headphones as the A2DP works a lot better on them.
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Data throughput and battery life are the major changes which both matter to headphones.
Does anyone know of any Bluetooth 4.0 wireless headphones? In particular, I'm looking for small in-ear Bluetooth 4.0 headphones. I like the smaller size. Recently ordered a 2.0 pair but they ended up only being less than 4 hours. hoping a 4.0 pair will provide better battery life.
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Does anyone know of any Bluetooth 4.0 wireless headphones? In particular, I'm looking for small in-ear Bluetooth 4.0 headphones. I like the smaller size. Recently ordered a 2.0 pair but they ended up only being less than 4 hours. hoping a 4.0 pair will provide better battery life.
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The link from amazon was for the small in ear buds I mentioned. They were in stock when I asked the question, but they show out of stock now.
http://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Wir...6553&sr=1-4&keywords=bluetooth+4.0+headphones
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The link from amazon was for the small in ear buds I mentioned. They were in stock when I asked the question, but they show out of stock now.
http://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Wir...6553&sr=1-4&keywords=bluetooth+4.0+headphones
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hmmm.... really sorry, but I don't see any links in this thread other than what you just now posted. Not sure whats up with that. Only thing I saw was an attachment you did with a pic of some over-the-ear headphones. Either way though, thanks very much for the link. 7 hours is much better than the ones I bought off ebay lol. Still, would be nice to find some with at least 10 hours, though not sure if that's possible with such small Bluetooth headphones. Those are nice though, adding them to my wishlist to when they do go back in stock. Thanks for the heads up.
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The link from amazon was for the small in ear buds I mentioned. They were in stock when I asked the question, but they show out of stock now.
http://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Wir...6553&sr=1-4&keywords=bluetooth+4.0+headphones
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In the description of that one it says "Sportier audio.
For the ultimate Bluetooth sporting headset, check out the soon-to-be-released Anker® Foldable Bluetooth Stereo Headset." I'm not certain as there was no picture but sounds more like what you want. Maybe try emailing Anker and asking for an eta
So just to be clear i wanted to confirm on the matter of if a Bluetooth 4.0 HANDset needs a bluetooth 4.0 HEADset for the Bluetooth Low Energy profile to work...? I been reading up on it online and iv seen different things in different places... and considering there are not many 4.0 headsets out there yet, would that mean the power consumtion will downgrade to that standard...??
I was really interested in the Sony SBH52 headset but can barely find it in stock anywhere and its bluetooth 3.0...
korsjs said:
Does anyone know of any Bluetooth 4.0 profile headphones that look like the one in the picture? Amazon has the small buds and huge cover the ear type.
Mine are worn out and with the new N5 coming today i figured it is a good time to upgrade the headphones.
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check out these ones at ebay,may be you like them
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Motorol...t=US_Audio_Docks_Speakers&hash=item53fd0214d2
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Right now the A2DP and HFP profiles used by headsets and speakers are defined to only work using the older standards. It is a huge task to change the profiles to use the BLE connection and this is not going to start anytime soon.
Ive found a few here some of which not exactly in the same style but here you go anyway
TECEVO Active Sport Bluetooth Stereo Headphones
7dayshop R7 Premium High-Fidelity Bluetooth 4.0 aptX Headphones with Mic
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Ive found a few here some of which not exactly in the same style but here you go anyway
TECEVO Active Sport Bluetooth Stereo Headphones
7dayshop R7 Premium High-Fidelity Bluetooth 4.0 aptX Headphones with Mic
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The 7dayshop one is AWESOME. I have it, and it has really, really good sound quality when wired or through aptX. The only problem with the Nexus 5, is that it most likely does not use aptX.
Here is a non UK version:
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...ic-with-mic-for-iPhone/315487_1317182127.html
These are the OEM model of the VOXOA 4.0 headphone that goes for ~$150 on Amazon.
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The 7dayshop one is AWESOME. I have it, and it has really, really good sound quality when wired or through aptX. The only problem with the Nexus 5, is that it most likely does not use aptX.
Here is a non UK version:
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...ic-with-mic-for-iPhone/315487_1317182127.html
These are the OEM model of the VOXOA 4.0 headphone that goes for ~$150 on Amazon.
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I believe there was a thread about this and it was confirmed by an LG support that it does not support atpX
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Right now the A2DP and HFP profiles used by headsets and speakers are defined to only work using the older standards. It is a huge task to change the profiles to use the BLE connection and this is not going to start anytime soon.
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Bluetooth 4.0 uses GATT largely as an application layer for the profiles to operate. The BLE is the spec and operates outside of normal Bluetooth frequencies (at a lower one) which in itself helps with power but the tech has a side effect of slightly lowered range. A Bluetooth 4.0 phone with a 4.0 headset even using old profiles will still see power savings and data throughput enhancements just from GATT alone.
I don't think there really is a way for them to write the A2DP and HFP to utilize 4.0 (HFP profile is at 1.5 right now so it hasn't changed much and am typing this out on my phone so can't easily tell you when A2DP stopped changing but its been awhile). The special profiles 4.0 uses are tied together with GATT, so again, the benefits are going to be there.
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A Bluetooth 4.0 phone with a 4.0 headset even using old profiles will still see power savings and data throughput enhancements just from GATT alone.
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Hello Watcher07, OK good to see you have a well above average understanding of the technology, in many many ways you should be right in most of your points, though until the profiles change to include a statement that the BLE connection can be used by itself, this is not going to happen. Sadly.
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Hello Watcher07, OK good to see you have a well above average understanding of the technology, in many many ways you should be right in most of your points, though until the profiles change to include a statement that the BLE connection can be used by itself, this is not going to happen. Sadly.
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Let me try to explain this a different way. The BLE operates independently of the Profiles. A2DP is at version 1.2 as well as the HFP at 1.5. To put this in perspective, A2DP verson 1 came about in 2003, 1.3 was in 2012. BLE has existed since 2003 when it was Cyrix or something like that then became an adapted, certified bluetooth tech in 2010. But it doesn't matter because of how they operate. The following is taken directly from the bluetooth.org's developers PDF about A2DP:
In Figure 1.1, the structure and the dependencies of the profiles are depicted. A profile is dependent upon another profile if it re-uses parts of that profile, by implicitly or explicitly referencing it. Dependency is illustrated in the figure. A profile has dependencies on the profile(s) in which it is contained – directly and indirectly. As indicated in Figure 1.1, the A2DP is dependent upon the Generic Access Profile (GAP), as well as the Generic Audio/Video Distribution Profile (GAVDP) [3], which defines procedures required to set up an audio/video streaming. The A2DP defines parameters and procedures that are specific for audio streaming. The terminology, user interface and procedures as defined in the GAP and GAVDP are applicable to this profile, unless explicitly stated otherwise.
Bluetooth 4.0 uses GATT as opposed to GAP that earlier versions of bluetooth used. The A2DP profile doesn't do anything but state how to process the codecs, compression and how to present the output to a device. The GAP and GATT are core operations profiles that dictate things like power usage and such. When you pair two bluetooth devices, (since we're talking about v4.0 here I'll use 4.0 terms) GATT keeps the phones connected but without drawing alot of power by utilizing the BLE hardware chip. As soon as A2DP gets triggered from you trying to play a song, GATT sends a wake command to the receiving device which brings it out of its low power mode and triggers the A2DP profile to start decompressing the data stream and processing the codecs to deliver your music.
A2DP hasn't changed much as a profile because it doesn't have to. It has no impact whatsoever on BLE, all of that is handled via GATT. The A2DP profile doesn't even know it's not talking to GAP since GATT fills that void. The same is true of HFP. The compression of the data stream and codec processing is all handled within subsets of the A2DP profile and the codecs are vendor specific. A2DP changes from device to device on a codec level but the Profile spec doesn't change because there's no reason to mess with it as it would cause whatever vendors device that messed with it to no longer be certified from the consortium.
Now let's get back to the core issue, Bluetooth 4.0 headphones. BLE does have power savings and some data throughput enhancements but it has to be tied to another Bluetooth 4.0 device (as the hardware requires a specific chip). The instant one or the other device isn't 4.0, everything goes down to the lowest Bluetooth version and gets rid of the benefits of 4.0. People who only use bluetooth headphones for say, a jog, aren't really going to notice the difference between 4.0 and lesser versions. However if it's someone like a power user who spends all day with a bluetooth headset in their ear and taking calls constantly, they'll definitely notice the power savings.
If you want to read the developer pdf about A2DP to learn more about how it works, go to: http://developer.bluetooth.org/TechnologyOverview/Documents/A2DP_Spec.pdf
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The GAP and GATT are core operations profiles that dictate things like power usage and such. When you pair two bluetooth devices, (since we're talking about v4.0 here I'll use 4.0 terms) GATT keeps the phones connected but without drawing alot of power by utilizing the BLE hardware chip. As soon as A2DP gets triggered from you trying to play a song, GATT sends a wake command to the receiving device which brings it out of its low power mode and triggers the A2DP profile to start decompressing the data stream and processing the codecs to deliver your music.
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This is where your misunderstanding starts, in the first sentence I quote. I agree with you this is kind of how it looks from those stack diagrams.
The GATT command you describe does not exist. It would be simple command to define, but it will take a while to actually happen. The work to define that has not started.
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This is where your misunderstanding starts, in the first sentence I quote. I agree with you this is kind of how it looks from those stack diagrams.
The GATT command you describe does not exist. It would be simple command to define, but it will take a while to actually happen. The work to define that has not started.
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GATT isn't a command, it's a protocol. There's also no minsunderstanding, I spent over a decade working on wireless technologies in the Navy and out of it with civilians and enlisted. I've built all kinds of wireless devices, bluetooth included, from scratch and worked hand in hand with developers on the technology, so the diagrams aren't where my "misunderstanding" started. Regardless, there's a slew of misinformation out there about Bluetooth and there's apparently no headway being made here to help you understand. I appreciate the civility of your conversation despite our differences, so we'll simply bring an end to this particular dialogue as the effort is outweighing the benefits. I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, all of mine is coming from experience and bluetooth.org, I just encourage you to keep an open mind about how this tech works behind the scenes.
Newer versions of Bluetooth offer no benefits for headphones as BLE, Bluetooth Low Energy, is not adequate for streaming high bandwidth stereo music. That's why you don't see a lot of manufacturer's jumping on the 4.0 train.
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ekjl, you are right that while streaming there is not a lot of benefit, if the headphones are using 50mA while streaming, if 3mA of the 50mA is due to the bluetooth connection, to save 1mA does not make a large change to the streaming time.
Watcher07 is right that when not streaming BLE could save power and increase the standby time. But some changes would need to be made to A2DP and HFP to allow this to happen in a standardized way.
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Or it doesn't really matter to have 3.0 when you are choosing a bluetooth stereo headset?
doesnt matter as a headset wouldnt gain much with 3.0 features.
2.x stuff works great
I found a nice store with tons of choices..The have some of the best headphones I've seen...from very expensive to moderate priced..
http://www.headphone.com/index.php
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It's a shame there shouldn't be any difference with 3.0 headsets as with most 2.0 or 2.1 EDR devices I tested & used I've found that A2DP audio suffers from the variable pitch issue (playback speed slightly decreases or increases as the device processor may be busy with another process) which makes listening to music sometimes not nice. In most cases I use A2DP for radio podcasts while I return to wire headset for music playback.
I know I'm not alone in this case so as a non tech I was hoping BT 3.0 would maybe address that pitch issue but I haven't found any 3.0 headset yet to test that either...
I don't think you will ever see a bluetooth 3.0 headset. I think 3.0 is just for faster file transfer between devices. We will have to wait til 4.0 comes out for better headsets. Just what I got from reading wikipedia article on bluetooth.
New motorola s10 headset coming out the 24th, ill probably give them a try
This is not a stereo but is blutooth 3.0 headset
http://www.newegg.com/product/produ...hBargains-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA&Item=N82E16875984035
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I don't think you will ever see a bluetooth 3.0 headset. I think 3.0 is just for faster file transfer between devices. We will have to wait til 4.0 comes out for better headsets. Just what I got from reading wikipedia article on bluetooth.
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bt3.0 will be amazing for headsets. It includes the ability to boost to full power instantly so you don't loose the connection when something interferes with the connection (like when you slip your phone in your pocket or when it is in the opposite side of your body from the antenna in the headset). However, I am not sure if this needs to be on both sides or if its sufficient to have it in the phone alone... I think it may have to be in both (kind of hope not).
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Phiaton BT-20 headphones. IF you have a BT 3.0 device (Galaxy tabs and media players) YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO FFWD OR REWND WITH OLDER BT VERSIONS!! This is VERY important to a seminary student like me, as teaching MP3s need be reviewed many times. Hope this helps! Blessings.
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Phiaton BT-20 headphones. IF you have a BT 3.0 device (Galaxy tabs and media players) YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO FFWD OR REWND WITH OLDER BT VERSIONS!! This is VERY important to a seminary student like me, as teaching MP3s need be reviewed many times. Hope this helps! Blessings.
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wrong ff rW works just fine with older stereo headsets ..
But it is a Bluetooth ver 3.0. I haven't found anything reviews. I don't know if it is worth the money.
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I have 2 of 2.1 bluetooth, they've been working fine with my HTC-Inspire. When I upgraded my phone to HTC-Vivid which has Bluetooth 3.0, those 2 headsets with 2.1 no longer working as it was with Inspire ( cracking sounds, and volume is low). So purchased over ebay a $30 plantronics m20 which build in a Bluetooth 3.0 and it works flawlessly. It likes instantly connects to my HTC-vivid Bluetooth. A lot of times, I don't need to turn on the M20, if someone calls me, then I switch on and it's connected in a matter of a second and audio automatic switches to headset. FYI, m20 doesn't have A2DP
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I have 2 of 2.1 bluetooth, they've been working fine with my HTC-Inspire. When I upgraded my phone to HTC-Vivid which has Bluetooth 3.0, those 2 headsets with 2.1 no longer working as it was with Inspire ( cracking sounds, and volume is low). So purchased over ebay a $30 plantronics m20 which build in a Bluetooth 3.0 and it works flawlessly. It likes instantly connects to my HTC-vivid Bluetooth. A lot of times, I don't need to turn on the M20, if someone calls me, then I switch on and it's connected in a matter of a second and audio automatic switches to headset. FYI, m20 doesn't have A2DP
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M20 Is not stereo. I should have some samples coming in this week of some new Stereo Bluetooth v3.0 Headsets. They very lightweight and come in 5 different colors. (if I like them, do I stock all 5 colors?)
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You may have a hard time looking for BT 3.0 stereo headsets because -unless I'm mistaken as fosselman pointed out in this thread- there were no audio enhancements from BT 2.1 to 3.0 specifications. Instead, what you could may look for and try is CSR's "apt-x" proprietary HD "lossless" audio codec used by Monster, HTC, Samsung, Nokia and even Apple in their iphone 4s or the new ipad, allowing for higher bitrate to match CD-like quality.
I've had the variable pitch issue even on good A2DP models in the past and I've tested many (Sony Ericsson's HBH series, Nokia BH series such as BH-214 or BH-903 and others such as itech). Appart from the pitch issue I also found that speech clarity on voice calls wasn't very good on GSM calls with the headset on, and even not-usable over VoIP.
I am now testing Nokia Essence (also called BH-610) which is still a bluetooth 2.1 model but comes with the apt-x and highbitpool SBC codec support. I'm using it with a Bluetooth 3.0 Nokia 700 on symbian Belle, and although I've had it for only a few hours I can already report I don't have the variable pitch issue with music and sound is better than the previous models I tested. The downside is that it's hard to get this model at the moment (not sure why since it was announced back in Summer 2011 already) and consequently pretty expensive as it also comes with noise reduction and NFC pairing.
Has anyone here tested Sennheiser's PX-210 or Jaybird's Sportsband/Freeband with compatible apt-x phones or music player bluetooth adapters ?
Hi,
I know the One x outputs Apt-x streo bluetooth. Theres a couple of over the head type headphones that support this. what i'm after is an Apt-X receiver which I can plug my own 3.5mm headphones into. Does anyone know if such a thing exists?
I know you can get standard bluetothe receivewrs for this (i've got the SE DS200) but it does not support Apt-X.
Cheers.
A quick search threw this up
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=40854
Although I've never been disappointed by the sound quality of my SE MW-600 through my HD2, I'll have to see what its like when I receive my ONE-X!
Just searched myself - found the Chord Gem at $799 (it's a high quality DAC as well), and the more reasonably priced QED LIVE uPLAY WIRELESS BLUETOOTH AUDIO RECEIVER for like 60-70pounds (apologies for the shouting, I just cut n paste that from the website).
EDIT: Just found out that the Samsung HS3000 has Apt-X, looks better than the QED since it has facilities for calls and also media controls...
EDIT2: Just purchased the HS3000, will let you all know how it is.
evo1rs said:
A quick search threw this up
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=40854
Although I've never been disappointed by the sound quality of my SE MW-600 through my HD2, I'll have to see what its like when I receive my ONE-X!
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They are doing just fine
NZtechfreak said:
Just searched myself - found the Chord Gem at $799 (it's a high quality DAC as well), and the more reasonably priced QED LIVE uPLAY WIRELESS BLUETOOTH AUDIO RECEIVER for like 60-70pounds (apologies for the shouting, I just cut n paste that from the website).
EDIT: Just found out that the Samsung HS3000 has Apt-X, looks better than the QED since it has facilities for calls and also media controls...
EDIT2: Just purchased the HS3000, will let you all know how it is.
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cheers. can u tell me where it says it has apt-x?
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I know you can get standard bluetothe receivewrs for this (i've got the SE DS200) but it does not support Apt-X.
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If the One X has a good BT stack, you will not be able to hear any aptx benefits, the DS200 is a good device and with a good BT stack on the phone, it will be CD-like quality.
pzboyz said:
If the One X has a good BT stack, you will not be able to hear any aptx benefits, the DS200 is a good device and with a good BT stack on the phone, it will be CD-like quality.
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Apt-x allows uncompressed data transmission of lossless audio files from what I can gather. From reviews I've read of apt-x sennheiser headphones, it's indistinguishable from wired headphones. I've had several a2dp headphones including ds200 and the quality just isn't there for me. U can definately tell the difference.
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Apt-x allows uncompressed data transmission of lossless audio files from what I can gather.
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Which is not at all correct, the audio is compressed. The streaming rate is +300kb/s.
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U can definately tell the difference.
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Many phones have poorly implemented standard a2dp, they stream at about 220kb/s, this is something which is will be improved, a +300kb/s standard a2dp stream is also just as good as wired. I know people who have done the comparison.
I was under the impression that AptX uses a different codec too, not SBC.
@pzboyz, is there a way of measuring the A2DP bitrate for a device?
It's ironic I only heard of AptX recently, when I bought a Foxl and opted not to get the Platinum version, thinking that there weren't any implementations of this spec yet. And a month later, it's in my new phone.
Well I can definitely tell the difference between bluetooth and wired (I have Sennheiser HD25-1 II's and Audeze LCD-2's).
@WESBAR: Samsung say that, but not on all their sites, in some they just talk about their silly EQ effects and make no mentioned of Apt-X. I saw it listed quite a number of places with specific mention of Apt-X.
Anyways, will confirm what it's like once I get them.
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Well I can definitely tell the difference between bluetooth and wired (I have Sennheiser HD25-1 II's and Audeze LCD-2's).
@WESBAR: Samsung say that, but not on all their sites, in some they just talk about their silly EQ effects and make no mentioned of Apt-X. I saw it listed quite a number of places with specific mention of Apt-X.
Anyways, will confirm what it's like once I get them.
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Yeah I've seen it mentioned on their site too. Got my phone now. Tempted to just order one. They're on ebay for around £26. They do a white version which will match my phone aswell! If these live up to the claims, they'll make a perfect partner to my Shure SE530's which have a short cable which usually runs into an extension piece.
Where did you order yours from?
Ordered mine from Ebay also.
If you order and get yours first let us know how they are!
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Well I can definitely tell the difference between bluetooth and wired (I have Sennheiser HD25-1 II's and Audeze LCD-2's).
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How are you making the comparison? You quoted some wired headphones and none of the other equipment used to make the comparison.
Ordered! Will post a review when it arrives.
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How are you making the comparison? You quoted some wired headphones and none of the other equipment used to make the comparison.
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I'm talking about every smartdevice I've ever owned listening to bluetooth Vs wired (N95, N95 8GB, N82, i8910, HD2, Touch Pro, N97, HTC Desire, HTC Sensation, Galaxy S, Galaxy SII, Galaxy Note, ASUS Transformer and Transformer Prime, Google I/O Tab 10.1, Galaxy Tab 7.7) with a large number of headsets DRC-BT15, Moto S805, can't remember the model names but several of Nokia's best BT cans, a few other Sony headsets whose model numbers escape me. Bluetooth audio quality is not equal to wired on any of those devices.
I only mentioned the wired headsets so it's apparent the wired headsets are not the rate limiting step.
I've not tried it with my One X since I don't get it until next week, will be interesting to see is Apt-X lives up to it's billing.
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cheers. can u tell me where it says it has apt-x?
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Have a look in here.
It's arrived. Initial impressions are good.
Definitely sounds better than previous a2dp headsets I've used. After initial pairing I've noticed one or two occasional dropouts during the first minute or so of playback but it seems pretty stable after that. Swapping between plugged in and bluetooth with the included iem's doesn't highlight any immediate differences (only tried mp3's and aac files with Poweramp) which is good. Previous a2dp's i've used have been more constrained with throughput than the the actual headphones used with them.
Will listen to it a bit more over the weekend with better headphones (Shure SE 530's), higher quality source files and post some thoughts.
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It's arrived. Initial impressions are good.
Definitely sounds better than previous a2dp headsets I've used. After initial pairing I've noticed one or two occasional dropouts during the first minute or so of playback but it seems pretty stable after that. Swapping between plugged in and bluetooth with the included iem's doesn't highlight any immediate differences (only tried mp3's and aac files with Poweramp) which is good. Previous a2dp's i've used have been more constrained with throughput than the the actual headphones used with them.
Will listen to it a bit more over the weekend with better headphones (Shure SE 530's), higher quality source files and post some thoughts.
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Thanks for the feedback, I have the receiver but won't have my One X till next Wednesday (lucky enough to be getting one for review that I get to keep).
It's meant to be lossless up to ~370kbps according to CSR (the people who developed Apt-X), so I presume for FLAC files you'll start to hear some differences, but for everything up to 320kbps mp3 there shouldn't be any discernible difference if CSR's claims are accurate.
apt-x is a codec used under the a2dp profile.
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In order to clarify a bit. I believe the apt-x is a compression format, which is an extended codec to the a2dp profile of bt.
So you may be comparing apt-x to a range of codecs used under a2dp, where you also find apt-x.
Hope it sort the discussion a bit. And thanks for the input on devices.
Right guys I Love me music and the HOX straight out of the headphone out it's ok. My SGS Voodoo'd kicks its arse out of that water! I'm going to order the HS3000 and test the aptX technology with my TDK BA200 IEMS. To see how it differs.
Will give some feedback once I've had a play with it all.
Car Audio & Galaxy S3 as head unit - there is no "Winning".
Okay, so for those of us who like to use our phones as a car stereo media source, there just is no 100% "Winning" that I have been able to find.
ANALOG USB AUDIO:
Sure, both TouchWiz and some AOSP ROM's support this. But there are two issues.
1) TouchWiz sucks (IMO).
2) The sound has "low level background noise" (IMO).
3) AOSP docking does not work properly, such as the CarHomeUltra does not get to disable the "home" button like it's supposed to.
DIGITAL USB AUDIO:
Okay, TouchWiz supports it but has lots of "cd-audio type skipping sounds" from time to time. No current AOSP ROM supports it. And because the USB-OTG connector requires certain pins be used on the connector, you lose the auto-dock feature regardless of ROM.
BLUETOOTH AUDIO:
It's a crappy sound for audiophiles. It's just so down compressed, it's useless for some ears.
APT-X BLUETOOTH AUDIO:
Better quality audio, but AT&T has already warned me once that I will lose my Unlimited Data plan if I keep using Bluetooth to my car stereo. And bluetooth in general is a "quirky" working technology that irks me sometimes.
What do I want? I want to be able to use a USB-DAC on an AOSP ROM and keep the auto-dock feature.
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What is aptx and how do I enable it.?
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What is aptx and how do I enable it.?
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It is touched upon in this cool DIY by }{Alienz}{:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2096585
APT-X is a Bluetooth codec that provides higher resolution Bluetooth audio.
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What is aptx and how do I enable it.?
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He's a little wrong there. Apt-X is an audio codec that is installed in some high end phones, and is starting to become the standard. Currently no car stereo has the capability of using this codec, but they will probably be on the market by the end of the year. Apt-X is preferred over A2DP because it is loss-less, so the audio quality is the same as plugging your phone in with a AUX cable.
AT&T is blocking you from using the Pandora app on your head unit, because technically it is tethering. The app simply sets up an Ad-Hoc network, and uses the phones internet to stream Pandora that runs on the car stereo.
But...To answer your original question, I would suggest using the standard headset port on your phone. The DAC on the USB plug is generally software driven, and will not give you as good of sound as the standard headphone jack can. If your not satisfied with the quality, get CM10 and DSP Manager to fully customize your sound.
Ummm. Auxiliary? I use it my cars all the time sounds awesome with awesome beats .
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Ummm. Auxiliary? I use it my cars all the time sounds awesome with awesome beats .
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Defeats the purpose of easy use dock.
I use gromaudio bluetooth to my stock head unit.
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Defeats the purpose of easy use dock.
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Easy use dock?
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Easy use dock?
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True one-handed/one step docking action:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2057851
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True one-handed/one step docking action:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2057851
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CZ Eddie,
I feel for you...because I am going through the same dang crap.
I am surprised you have not corresponded more with me bro. There is hardly anyone out there that seems to be on this One Handed docking quest. Even though there have been HOW MANY MILLION S3's sold...we are in an unpopular niche.
The skipping that I experience is most severe when listening to MEDIA while dialing out, during a call, and during an incoming call ringing. It is like a stuck skipping CD digital like sound. The author of SoundAbout app, is trying to help me solve this issue but he does not have the usb/otg/dac arrangement that we do. One version of his app, eliminated at least the stubborn perpetual skipping, but has a byproduct of losing the media stream after a call...which requires unplugging/replugging the usb cable.
I had such a terrific setup with my old HD2. It was a lightly modified card dock but one handed docking providing POWER and AUDIO via 2 ports, usb and headphone jack. What I am sure I will have to end up doing, is having to connect the Headphone audio out by HAND as a 2nd step. At least, I will have NO SKIPPING, and all audio including CALLS coming into my car deck without any weird bumps!
If I had chosen to go USB analogue out, I get really bad noise but only when charging. Somehow, when it's charging, I get hiss, switching sounds, clicks etc. I can almost 99% confirm it is not ground loop type issues.
1) Regarding aptX: probably, it won't be aptX Loseless that makes it to car stereos, but simply aptX. The Loseless codec looks to be targeted for professionals. But, still aptX is still many times better than the ugly old SBC codec.
2) The codec will change, not the protocol: AptX replaces SBC (not A2DP). A2DP (the transfer protocol) can use whatever codec it wants. So, whenever the car stereos are released, it will be A2DP with aptX. CSR has already released an aptX Bluetooth chipset for car stereos...someone just needs to pick it up and use it now, haha!
3) Concerning BT streaming and "tethering": not to derail this thread since you already have one about this, but I think they're bluffing hard. That representative is confused and wrong. I imagine if you pressed them to provide evidence or explain what their definition of tethering was, they would fail magnificently.
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BT is reliable for me; I mean, it's as reliable as my WiFi when I want to use it. What quirks have you experienced?
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For enabling docking -> hmm...what about using a NFC tag? This one enables docking modes. Or, maybe use a Tasker to detect Bluetooth connectivity?
~Ibrahim~
Auxiliary cord.
IMO an audiophile would never want to use their phone as their main audio source.
And you do realize that achieving true audiophile sound quality in a daily driver is all but impossible?
If your streaming Pandora your not getting anywhere near lossless quality so why not use Bluetooth? Bluetooth audio streaming has come along way. If your standard audio file on your phone is a 320kpbs mp3, your not missing anything streaming via Bluetooth. I was once skeptical about this until I finally found a good pair of BT headphones.
I'm interested to hear more detail about your car audio setup. My setup is decent, better than most everyone else I know and IMO the only difference I can hear between Bluetooth streaming audio from my phone and the music on the sd card in my stereo is the over equalization from being equalized by the phone and again by my sound processor.
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IMO an audiophile would never want to use their phone as their main audio source.
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Somewhat agree.
Convenience is a huge factor in the car.
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And you do realize that achieving true audiophile sound quality in a daily driver is all but impossible?
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Agreed.
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If your streaming Pandora your not getting anywhere near lossless quality so why not use Bluetooth?
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Normal Bluetooth vs. other methods has an obvious degredation on the sound for me.
Yes, Pandora sounds bad even when the "high quality" selection is checked off and I pay for the higher resolution.
But, normal Bluetooth makes Pandora sound even worse, according to my ears.
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I'm interested to hear more detail about your car audio setup. My setup is decent, better than most everyone else I know a
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Pretty basic at the moment. 50 watts for each of my front & rear speakers. And 300 watts to a 15" Kicker CompVX DVC subwoofer in a 4.5 cu.ft. 32hz tuned enclosure.
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the only difference I can hear between Bluetooth streaming audio from my phone and the music on the sd card in my stereo is the over equalization from being equalized by the phone and again by my sound processor.
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Wow. I hear a boatload of difference between Bluetooth and otherwise. But I'm 42 years old and maybe my ears are just more fine tuned than yours are.
I'm using APT-X [high definition] Bluetooth right now and it's the best compromise in sound & convenience I've found so far.
I keep meaning to write up a DIY on how I have things set up. Just haven't gotten around to it yet.
Btw, you're is "you are" and "your" is not.
I wouldn't full on call myself an audiophile (too poor to be one as student) but I love higher end sound. I personally prefer an aux cord for sound, it's a little less handy I guess but so far gives the best bang for your buck as far as sound goes.
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I keep meaning to write up a DIY on how I have things set up. Just haven't gotten around to it yet.
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CZ Eddie....waiting for your fabulous DIY write up! :good:
Has anyone noticed some static noise when you plug your phone into auxiliary with no music playing? Doesnt do it on my girlfriends lg.
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Has anyone noticed some static noise when you plug your phone into auxiliary with no music playing? Doesnt do it on my girlfriends lg.
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Depends. If your charging cable is too close to the aux jack you'll get electrical feedback. Had it happen with my FM transmitter...I have one of those 1->2 12V adapters with a USB port. Whenever the USB port is used it produces quite a bit of it.
I have to agree with most of what has been said here on the S3 not being up to snuff for car audio. First I will say its my favorite phone I have ever had. Just about everything else about the phone rocks. But when it comes to car audio, I have to say its the ONE and only thing I will give props to my old iphone...using the usb direct to the radio that not only played the highest quality music, but it charged it as well at the same time with one cable and nothing else to do was kick ass. I dont get why if Ipods and Iphones can make this work so well, why cant these guys? I know most stereo makers lean heavily to the iphones and android as a whole is sorta looked over for the most part, sure it may work with android, but they have all the hardware and most things are geared towards iphones. I use either a samsung hs3000 for bluetooth audio or just give up and use the aux, but neither is as good as the iphone on usb. Even the ipod/iphone on aux is not as good as usb. So it works, but your settling for sure.
Alot of times I still will just put the ipod in the car if I really want the better music quality, but I would much rather have an all in one with my phone for music, nav and calls while driving.
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I have to agree with most of what has been said here on the S3 not being up to snuff for car audio. First I will say its my favorite phone I have ever had. Just about everything else about the phone rocks. But when it comes to car audio, I have to say its the ONE and only thing I will give props to my old iphone...using the usb direct to the radio that not only played the highest quality music, but it charged it as well at the same time with one cable and nothing else to do was kick ass. I dont get why if Ipods and Iphones can make this work so well, why cant these guys? I know most stereo makers lean heavily to the iphones and android as a whole is sorta looked over for the most part, sure it may work with android, but they have all the hardware and most things are geared towards iphones. I use either a samsung hs3000 for bluetooth audio or just give up and use the aux, but neither is as good as the iphone on usb. Even the ipod/iphone on aux is not as good as usb. So it works, but your settling for sure.
Alot of times I still will just put the ipod in the car if I really want the better music quality, but I would much rather have an all in one with my phone for music, nav and calls while driving.
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Seen a few stereos with mirror link that look like they would be great for android. Almost bought a sony with it but decided against it due to having to go back to a touchwiz rom as well as I'm hoping miracast will make an appearance in some stereos in the future.
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I had the same issue. I bought a ground loop off amazon for around 10 bucks that eliminated 99% of it.
http://www.amazon.com/PAC-Ground-Isolator-3-5-Applications/dp/B001EAQTRI
Hello guys
The purpose of this post is to share with you guys my recent purchase The HTC Bluettoh 3.0 Stereo Headphones. These are the official ones from HTC made for our phones. Those with Sense 4.0 and above and phones with Bluetooth 3.0 and above. What makes these different from other bluetooth heaphones is the fact that they use Bluetooth 3.0 which is a huge advancement meant from Bluetooth v2.1 Enhanced Data Rate. This newer version allows more data to be transferred at a time (wider bandwidth) and HTC has taken advantage of this by providing uncompressed audio with these bluetooth heaphones. The sound quality is so much better. v3.0 is more battery efficient as well than the previous generation. The bluetooth headphone clip allows you to use your own headphones as well!
I have made video review below
Pictures of the device and part of the manual are attached to this post for your viewing pleasure
Official Product Link: http://www.htc.com/au/accessories/htc-bluetooth-stereo-headphones/#overview
actually, it's not uncompressed audio. It uses Apt-x codec from CSR which is a cd-quality audio compression technology. There aren't many phones that actually have that codec. HTC One series and galaxy s3 are the ones that pops into my mind. Others (the ones that don't have apt-x) will sound like Bluetooth 2.1 edr no mather which version of Bluetooth they use.
Here is a list of headphones with aptx codec support, you'll see HTC is listed there too.
http://www.csr.com/technology-solut...wered-by-csr-aptx/bluetooth-stereo-headphones
Are you suggesting that these sound crisp and clean? I only ask because I stream music via bluetooth quite a bit whether it be to my Yamaha receiver or my head unit in my truck and because of the low bitpool setting in Sense I get a lot of crackling on the high end. AOSP this is not an issue. Only in Sense.
So my question is...How if HTC hasn't fixed the bluetooth bitpool issue in the software can any bluetooth device stream the high quality?
i ordered the ikross bluetooth stereo receiver, they are quite good and much cheaper they go for about 26 dollars
here is a review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6_BCQZkfg8
and here they are on amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/css/order-history/ref=gno_yam_yrdrs
Can you use them for jogging and fast walking?
Thanks you very much news, I think his headphones low dive deep, clean and full, flexible and intensity, slow feeling. Good high frequency extension, delicate and supple and housing design is also very good
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Can you use them for jogging and fast walking?
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You can actually use any headsets for jogging and especially walking. Just depends how much wire and bulk you are willing to put up with. Personally, I have the LG Tone+ headset. They sound great and dont make you feel like you are tied to something. They are actually a very practical setup. Any way. Those are my thoughts.
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Microphone
Hi,
Is the mic in the headset or is there a mic on the unit as well?
ie could I use a standard headset without a mic and still talk?
Cheers, 0ddball
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Hi,
Is the mic in the headset or is there a mic on the unit as well?
ie could I use a standard headset without a mic and still talk?
Cheers, 0ddball
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The mic is not built in onto the bluetooth device, your earphones will have to have a mic
Ah bummer as I thought. OK thanks for clearing that up!
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actually, it's not uncompressed audio. It uses Apt-x codec from CSR which is a cd-quality audio compression technology. There aren't many phones that actually have that codec. HTC One series and galaxy s3 are the ones that pops into my mind. Others (the ones that don't have apt-x) will sound like Bluetooth 2.1 edr no mather which version of Bluetooth they use.
Here is a list of headphones with aptx codec support, you'll see HTC is listed there too.
http://www.csr.com/technology-solut...wered-by-csr-aptx/bluetooth-stereo-headphones
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it's uncompressed but who cares? it seems those use apt-x lossless codec.
"HTC’s exclusive apt-X lossless digital audio compression technology delivers studio-quality sound"
I picked up one of these on the back of this review, and I have to say, I'm really impressed. I got i it mainly for running with, but I've found myself just using it for everything. In the car, at work, - the battery life is really good, and the drain on the phone really in negligible.
My one complaint... I nearly lost my phone in the gym, cause I left it at the rower I was using, but the range is so good ( around 20m without any loss of audio ) I ended up having to backtrack my whole circuit to find it
I cannot believe they did not include a mic in the clip. It really limits your use of alternative headphones/earphones.
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I cannot believe they did not include a mic in the clip. It really limits your use of alternative headphones/earphones.
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It does have a mic in the clip, can't post a link so check the HTC website for details.
I have this as well. I have to say that for a BT tranceiver, it impresses me so much. My only complain is that I can't really monitor the battery capacity in this thing. But at least it will notify me with that robotic female voice that my "battery is low". However, battery life is good.
I use it when I'm travelling because I don't really like brandishing my One in public transport (it's very unsafe to show off your phone here in Indonesia) as it allows me to control my music wirelessly.
I pair this to some other devices as well, like my laptop so that I can use my hifi system to amplify my laptop using aux cable. I don't use the aux cable directly because it's too far to where I usually sit and enjoy my movies.
All in all, I am satisfied with this product.
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It does have a mic in the clip, can't post a link so check the HTC website for details.
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Because of that sentence, I have bought this device. But NO, it doesn't have the mic in the clip.
Now I am sad and angry I didn't go for a Sony or Samsung.
I have a MW600 at home, which worked perfectly, but last month the clip lost the suspension thingy so I cannot clip it to my shirt anymore... And that's why I decided to buy this one.
But bummer, you cannot use any headphones. You must pick the ones that have the microphone on. And hence, the device is not useful for other stuff, like in-car use and such...
Otherwise, sound is good, can connect to my mac and phone at the same time and can charge it while using it. Really a shame HTC did not put a mic on the clip...
I had these other bluetooth headphones in mind:
1) Sony SBH20
2) Samsung HS3000
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3) Sony MW600
Good info sudkcoce. I am also thinking of buying this but do not like the earbuds. I need something that will stay on my head. Earbuds to me have always been a fad/gimmick. Can you post if any other aftermarket headphones with mics and preferably ear clips or dome speakers that are compatible with this bluetooth device? Maybe if you have others from friends try them and let us know. For now will be considering the other devices you listed for my HTC One.
I am pretty sure any headphone with a built in mike will work.
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Good info sudkcoce. I am also thinking of buying this but do not like the earbuds. I need something that will stay on my head. Earbuds to me have always been a fad/gimmick. Can you post if any other aftermarket headphones with mics and preferably ear clips or dome speakers that are compatible with this bluetooth device? Maybe if you have others from friends try them and let us know. For now will be considering the other devices you listed for my HTC One.
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I have waterproof earphones by Monster designed for iOS and they work perfectly with the bluetooth clip. Any Headphones/ earphones will work with this as long as they have a 3.5mm jack. Of those headphones have a play pause button on the centre it will work as well. The other buttons may not
I've had these things since February(a nice gift from HTC) and I love it. I don't use it as headphones though when I'm home. I have an aux cable going into my surround sound and I have hooked the Bluetooth dongle onto that Aux cable. Streaming the music crisply, clearly, and perfectly through my system.
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Hey all - couple of headphone questions:
Has anyone found a wireless headphone that allows the Google assistant functions like the included Pixel buds?
Is there any benefit to using bluetooth 5.0 headphones? AFAIK, looks like it's just low power usage would be the benefit over the older set of tao tronics that I use - which I love at the gym and want the wire to secure them when they're out of my ear... but always looking for an excuse to feed my headphone addiction...
I'm currently using Bose QC35 II, it has an integrated google assistant functions, so far its great. unfortunately, the embedded Bluetooth chipset is 4.1
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Hey all - couple of headphone questions:
Has anyone found a wireless headphone that allows the Google assistant functions like the included Pixel buds?
Is there any benefit to using bluetooth 5.0 headphones? AFAIK, looks like it's just low power usage would be the benefit over the older set of tao tronics that I use - which I love at the gym and want the wire to secure them when they're out of my ear... but always looking for an excuse to feed my headphone addiction...
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I use the Bowers & Wilkins PX and the Sony 1000xm3, and both work with assistant.
Power beats...
Ozark_8125 said:
Hey all - couple of headphone questions:
Has anyone found a wireless headphone that allows the Google assistant functions like the included Pixel buds?
Is there any benefit to using bluetooth 5.0 headphones? AFAIK, looks like it's just low power usage would be the benefit over the older set of tao tronics that I use - which I love at the gym and want the wire to secure them when they're out of my ear... but always looking for an excuse to feed my headphone addiction...
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I'm using the Sennheiser Momentum True Wireless and they have a built in assistant features with a single tap of the right ear bud. BT 5.0 has the following benefits (excluding the new low power mode): Dual Audio which lets you play audio on two connected devices at the same time, transfer speeds increased to 2 Mbps (double of BT 4.2), supposedly the range has been increased to 800 feet (quadruple of BT 4.2). I'm sure there are more benefits but these are the ones that stick out to me the most personally.
I use the Jabra elite active 65t, it has the ability to press the button on the right ear bud to activate Google assistant. It works well, sound quality is good but not spectacular, you have to adjust the bass up quite a bit in their app, as if you use it in the music app, then play in your car it will be too much and you'll have to turn off the equalizer.
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I'm using the Sennheiser Momentum True Wireless and they have a built in assistant features with a single tap of the right ear bud. BT 5.0 has the following benefits (excluding the new low power mode): Dual Audio which lets you play audio on two connected devices at the same time, transfer speeds increased to 2 Mbps (double of BT 4.2), supposedly the range has been increased to 800 feet (quadruple of BT 4.2). I'm sure there are more benefits but these are the ones that stick out to me the most personally.
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I'd like to second this guy's recommendation of the Senheiser Momentum True Wireless.
I have tried quite a few different "true wireless" sets... One was the liberty zolo+ (an anker brand), one is the Funcl A1, and another one that I can't remember. Nothing has come anywhere close to the sound quality that the senheisers have had. They truely sound like there is not a compromise on audio quality, and if that matters to you - they are the only choice.
Another thing that I have is the "Earstudio ES100" - https://www.amazon.com/EarStudio-ES100-24bit-High-Resolution-Bluetooth-Unbalanced/dp/B078H4YD2L
This thing is amazing. It received the bluetooth, goes digital to analog, and then amps it. you can then use any wired headset you want. This sounds awesome, you leave your device at 100 percent volume with it and then it handles the volume (this helps if you have any volume "steps" that seem like weird gaps). Has some nice hardware based equalizers, just all around awesome.
Both of these I think allow you to do the google assistant
i'm using the jabra 65t active's and they are fine , google assistant works
For anyone who doesn't want to spend more than $50 here's the budget option : https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Signature-Bluetooth-Earbuds-Charging/dp/B07HGL3J31
It supports Google Assistance with 2 clicks on either side.
I've been using it for 2 weeks and so far it has been a pleasant experience, especially for that price alone. The main downside is the in-call audio is only mono, meaning only the right ear works, also buttons could have been easier to click though