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Hi LG guys,
I have general concerns with the amount of dev support that the LG OG series receives. Currently, I am using a Motorola Atrix 4G and I just RECENTLY unlocked the bootloader and rooted it this past weekend and felt a sense of great accomplishment when I completed these tasks after hitting several road blocks. I have to say, I was rather impressed with the amount of relevant information, help, and guides floating around on the Internet a good 1.5 years after its release. I was also impressed with the fact some developers are still working to improve builds.
Unfortunately, I feel a compelled to upgrade my phone since the Atrix 4G does not support LTE. I've been looking at viable options and refuse to go with Apple because I have always loved the Android OS and its possibilities. In fact, I'm even more in love with it now, after being able to put JB on my Atrix.
I did little research and narrowed down my desired upgrade choices to:
Samsung Galaxy S4
LG Optimus G Pro or G2
To be honest, I was set on getting the SGS4 this coming April, however I recently learned that it's likely the S4 will have minimal CM support (if any) and I just can't imagine working with buggy builds for an extended period of time. (I hear the SGS3 still doesn't have a stable CM based build)
So aside from the babble, I was wondering:
1. Is the LG dev community well developed and established? (Might be stupid question to some people, sorry)
2. Does the LG OG line have a stable CM based build?
3. Does LG support the dev community or does it take a Samsung approach (asshole approach) ?
4. How has development and support been for older phones?
5. Does LG commonly make two versions of their flagship phone(s)? [I.E. Samsungs ship with either Snapdragon or Exynos] And which version usually receives a greater amount of developer attention?
6. What's the build quality like on LG OG series? Plastic like Samsung or what? Personal opinions are very welcome.
If anyone else has any info that they feel would further allow me to make a well informed decision, please share it. I know that smartphones are released frequently these days, but I'm still in search for a smartphone that can last me at least 3-5 years (silly I know, but I had a Moto RAZR flip phone forever and loved it). I have yet to find the one ;/
1.The community is given by the users.I guess there is no point in developing for no one, right?So, if there will be many G users, the devs will come too. Right now there a few guys working(thanks for that),but the G(at least the E975 i have) is quite new and it takes time to start things.
2.No, CM is not officially implemented yet.It depends somewhat on 1.
3.Can't really answer that,but,as far as i know, LG is more open to devs than samsung.
4.Why don't you look yourself?Search button is a miracle.
5.No, LG makes only 1 flagship,with differences only in camera,storage and lte modem.There is G with 8mpx,16gb storage+microsd slot and G with 13mpx camera,32gb storage and no micro sd slot.But the CPU/GPU/RAM is identical.
6.G is way better than Samsung's plastics.
In the future can you post questions in the section that says "questions".
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kc_exactly said:
In the future can you post questions in the section that says "questions".
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I thought about it, but I wanted to get as much feedback as possible.
Personally, if I was going to get any phone right now, I would get the HTC one, with the optimus as my second choice. It will likely have more users and more developers due to greater availability. It has superior specifications, a better screen, better build quality, and supposedly better software. Our phone is great too, just not as new or popular. The glass feels great.
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One and optimus are different categories.full hd display vs hd display.compare the one with g pro,s4,xperia z.optimus is top android at medium price.at least here at orange romania,the 975 comes with a super docking station included(LG ND5521).only the dock costs 120 pounds(more than 200 dollars).i payed for my g 300 euros,which a great deal.i could've get the s3 cheaper,but you can't compare them.
I think lg got an unfair bad reputation,since the time lg made phones like chocolate,shine...they were crappy phone,always having issues.but google made the right call and let lg make the nexus4.
Basically,our g is an improved n
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kimitza said:
One and optimus are different categories.full hd display vs hd display.compare the one with g pro,s4,xperia z.optimus is top android at medium price.at least here at orange romania,the 975 comes with a super docking station included(LG ND5521).only the dock costs 120 pounds(more than 200 dollars).i payed for my g 300 euros,which a great deal.i could've get the s3 cheaper,but you can't compare them.
I think lg got an unfair bad reputation,since the time lg made phones like chocolate,shine...they were crappy phone,always having issues.but google made the right call and let lg make the nexus4.
Basically,our g is an improved n
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Similar specs and similar price in most regions.
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I think you should include in your basket HTC ONE (M7) and Xperia Z.
Apart of that.
1. Is the LG dev community well developed and established? (Might be stupid question to some people, sorry) (Not yet, there is a few phones on the market, maybe in the future - People dont like LG, )
2. Does the LG OG line have a stable CM based build? (Not yet, but it will)
3. Does LG support the dev community or does it take a Samsung approach (asshole approach) ? (Neither of them does, but LG seems to be more open about it)
4. How has development and support been for older phones? (Its a market dependent, so, if your phone have been sold a lot, it'll be supported here in XDA, if not, dont expect too much from LG)
5. Does LG commonly make two versions of their flagship phone(s)? [I.E. Samsungs ship with either Snapdragon or Exynos] And which version usually receives a greater amount of developer attention? (LGOG has a lot of model, but basicaly they are pretty much the same, all of them has same processor and screen)
6. What's the build quality like on LG OG series? Plastic like Samsung or what? Personal opinions are very welcome. (My girl has a SGS3 and I'm used to handling it, LG for sure has better built material)
cheers
tungzta said:
Hi LG guys,
I have general concerns with the amount of dev support that the LG OG series receives. Currently, I am using a Motorola Atrix 4G and I just RECENTLY unlocked the bootloader and rooted it this past weekend and felt a sense of great accomplishment when I completed these tasks after hitting several road blocks. I have to say, I was rather impressed with the amount of relevant information, help, and guides floating around on the Internet a good 1.5 years after its release. I was also impressed with the fact some developers are still working to improve builds.
Unfortunately, I feel a compelled to upgrade my phone since the Atrix 4G does not support LTE. I've been looking at viable options and refuse to go with Apple because I have always loved the Android OS and its possibilities. In fact, I'm even more in love with it now, after being able to put JB on my Atrix.
I did little research and narrowed down my desired upgrade choices to:
Samsung Galaxy S4
LG Optimus G Pro or G2
To be honest, I was set on getting the SGS4 this coming April, however I recently learned that it's likely the S4 will have minimal CM support (if any) and I just can't imagine working with buggy builds for an extended period of time. (I hear the SGS3 still doesn't have a stable CM based build)
So aside from the babble, I was wondering:
1. Is the LG dev community well developed and established? (Might be stupid question to some people, sorry)
2. Does the LG OG line have a stable CM based build?
3. Does LG support the dev community or does it take a Samsung approach (asshole approach) ?
4. How has development and support been for older phones?
5. Does LG commonly make two versions of their flagship phone(s)? [I.E. Samsungs ship with either Snapdragon or Exynos] And which version usually receives a greater amount of developer attention?
6. What's the build quality like on LG OG series? Plastic like Samsung or what? Personal opinions are very welcome.
If anyone else has any info that they feel would further allow me to make a well informed decision, please share it. I know that smartphones are released frequently these days, but I'm still in search for a smartphone that can last me at least 3-5 years (silly I know, but I had a Moto RAZR flip phone forever and loved it). I have yet to find the one ;/
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I wont answer all of your questions individually but If I was to buy a phone in the next months, I would go for Sony Xperia ZL. Sony was named OEM of the year for developper support by XDA staff. They have a decent track report of supporting 2011 onward phones.
I also came from a Atrix. It died from the infamous wifi-bootloop-bug-of-death. The LG Optimus G Pro is a Phablet and it might be too large for you. The S4 will likelly get poor developper support since most Cyanogen staff lifted their nose at it.
As of now, the Optimus G dev community is ok but since the phone have yet to be released in Europe, Not many people are working on it. There also is lots different versions of the same phone with some incompatibility. We have CM for the Canadian version but it's not official. Far from it.
Good luck
As some owners says, the new xperia good on paper and terrible in life.
Crappy screen, performance, battery life, a lot of bugs including auto bricks.
i read an article that LG is gonna come out with a new device called LG - Gx wich has the exact same specs as the LG g pro with a little less PPI (401ppi) but with the new jelly bean OS ,
this is more than enough for anyone who has respect for his money to say no in the future to any LG cellular device,
money hungry company who gives a crap and puts even more crap on their costumers over time.
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_gx_goes_official_in_korea_with_55_screen_and_snapdragon_600-news-7375.php
Too early to opine, personaly i take it with a grain of salt......would be surprised that they made a device with the same spec then 2013.....
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Too early to opine, personaly i take it with a grain of salt......would be surprised that they made a device with the same spec then 2013.....
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I'm just hoping it has dev support and we can somehow rip the ROM and run it on the G Pro seeing that most of the hardware is the same.
well it look like I was not right......it seem that lg have made the same phone then the g pro....
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_gx_goes_official_in_korea_with_55_screen_and_snapdragon_600-news-7375.php
to be honest I don't understand much why the lg x have the same spec then the g pro?? the positive point is that we gonna problably be able to port his newest rom in our g pro.. otherwise it not gonna be in the category of "flagship" especialy in 2014...
Hopefully LG will update the G Pro alongside it when it releases, although it is weird that lg is releasing the same phone with just newer software...
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Hopefully LG will update the G Pro alongside it when it releases, although it is weird that lg is releasing the same phone with just newer software...
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They're saving a fortune on software updates since they never update anything. Probably cheaper to just release another device and hope the public buys it. After all, we bought the OG Pro, didn't we and knew full well that no updates would be released.
We can only hope to port its stock rom onto our phone.
Just read that moto G is already receiving the 4.4 update. And v r still on 4.1.2 :banghead:
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I just want my G Pro to have the same vanilla stock kit Kat nexus rom like my n7 and n4 have. This stock LG rom sucks up too much memory.
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The LGOGP has 2GB RAM, it's more than enough for running it lag free (mine running very smooth). With Android 4.3< things will be even better thanks to the new Trim function. From my experience 98% of the time the best rom for any device is based on its official release.
LG making a mistake in the long run not updating their devices.
Evening everyone, just ordered my own LG Edition G Pad 8.3 and can't wait for it to arrive.
After browsing these forums for a bit, I've noticed the Google Edition has a different model number to the normal LG version. I also saw the mention of problems with porting the GPE factory image between the devices. Is this due to differences in hardware or what?
I've looked through the forums and there seems no mentioning of it, not that I was expecting there to be. I'm just curious to know whether differences extend beyond the model number differences and whether things like the bootloader are different (I know kernel and recovery have to be different, haha)
Thanks in advance
hcdav said:
Evening everyone, just ordered my own LG Edition G Pad 8.3 and can't wait for it to arrive.
After browsing these forums for a bit, I've noticed the Google Edition has a different model number to the normal LG version. I also saw the mention of problems with porting the GPE factory image between the devices. Is this due to differences in hardware or what?
I've looked through the forums and there seems no mentioning of it, not that I was expecting there to be. I'm just curious to know whether differences extend beyond the model number differences and whether things like the bootloader are different (I know kernel and recovery have to be different, haha)
Thanks in advance
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The only difference between the GPE (Google Play Edition) and LGE (LG Edition) is software. Both tablets have identical hardware specs but the LGE comes with LGE specific software, like QRemote, QPair, and the usual bloatware. The LGE is also running android version 4.2.2 by stock LG Rom.
Whereas the GPE comes stock running Google's own build of android. The GPE runs 4.4.2 out of the box and does not have any of the bloatware that the LGE has. However you will also be missing out of QRemote, QPair, and it will have limited functionality for the SD card. Also depending where you bought your LGE the GPE can be $50+ more expensive. As for the bootloader I don't know for sure how much is different because I don't have a GPE to play around with.
I personally wanted Kitkat (android 4.4.2) so rather than burn another $50 I rooted my LGE, installed a recovery mod, and flashed the Cyanogenmod's nightly build of Kitkat onto it. Cyanogenmod is based on Google's rom (why it is known as AOSP based) but it allows more functionality from the SDcard than the GPE but it doesn't have the bloatware the LGE will have. I was even able to get QPair working on it there are some dedicated dev's here working to crack the encryption on the IRblaster so we can get QRemote working as well.
colwellkr said:
The only difference between the GPE (Google Play Edition) and LGE (LG Edition) is software. Both tablets have identical hardware specs but the LGE comes with LGE specific software, like QRemote, QPair, and the usual bloatware. The LGE is also running android version 4.2.2 by stock LG Rom.
Whereas the GPE comes stock running Google's own build of android. The GPE runs 4.4.2 out of the box and does not have any of the bloatware that the LGE has. However you will also be missing out of QRemote, QPair, and it will have limited functionality for the SD card. Also depending where you bought your LGE the GPE can be $50+ more expensive. As for the bootloader I don't know for sure how much is different because I don't have a GPE to play around with.
I personally wanted Kitkat (android 4.4.2) so rather than burn another $50 I rooted my LGE, installed a recovery mod, and flashed the Cyanogenmod's nightly build of Kitkat onto it. Cyanogenmod is based on Google's rom (why it is known as AOSP based) but it allows more functionality from the SDcard than the GPE but it doesn't have the bloatware the LGE will have. I was even able to get QPair working on it there are some dedicated dev's here working to crack the encryption on the IRblaster so we can get QRemote working as well.
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Cheers, I'm UK based so GPE was a no go for me. Thanks for the info man, sounds quite different to the situations I've had with my Desire X & Nexus 4 but I'm sure I'll get used to it.
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Cheers, I'm UK based so GPE was a no go for me. Thanks for the info man, sounds quite different to the situations I've had with my Desire X & Nexus 4 but I'm sure I'll get used to it.
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How do you like the nexus 4? I really want a nexus phone because the hardware is so much better than what is in my current phone but I can't stomach the fact that it doesn't have a microSD card slot. I use my phone as an mp3 player so I loaded in a 64gb card and threw my massive music library on it. But i wouldn't be able to do that on a nexus phone.
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How do you like the nexus 4? I really want a nexus phone because the hardware is so much better than what is in my current phone but I can't stomach the fact that it doesn't have a microSD card slot. I use my phone as an mp3 player so I loaded in a 64gb card and threw my massive music library on it. But i wouldn't be able to do that on a nexus phone.
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Probably slightly off topic, but I love my Nexus 4. I have a large-ish music library and so I have made a playlist of about 400-500 of my favourite songs to go on my Nexus 4. I have the 8GB model so it really is a problem and it annoys me daily that I need to worry about storage on my phone. One reason why I'm getting this G Pad is I can store so much music with an SD card which I simply can't do on my N4. I really would recommend it despite the storage issues, the dev support is amazing, and I've never ever experienced any lag at all. I also don't think it will be receiving android updates much longer officially, since Google phased out the Galaxy Nexus updates with Kitkat. If I would have to replace my Nexus 4 now and I needed to stay relatively cheap, I'd probably opt for the Nexus 5, Galaxy Mega (has an SD card slot), or even the Sony Xperia Z since it has CM11 and AOSP sources due to Sony's good attitude towards developers.
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Probably slightly off topic, but I love my Nexus 4. I have a large-ish music library and so I have made a playlist of about 400-500 of my favourite songs to go on my Nexus 4. I have the 8GB model so it really is a problem and it annoys me daily that I need to worry about storage on my phone. One reason why I'm getting this G Pad is I can store so much music with an SD card which I simply can't do on my N4. I really would recommend it despite the storage issues, the dev support is amazing, and I've never ever experienced any lag at all. I also don't think it will be receiving android updates much longer officially, since Google phased out the Galaxy Nexus updates with Kitkat. If I would have to replace my Nexus 4 now and I needed to stay relatively cheap, I'd probably opt for the Nexus 5, Galaxy Mega (has an SD card slot), or even the Sony Xperia Z since it has CM11 and AOSP sources due to Sony's good attitude towards developers.
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Haha, I would need to stay cheap since I blew my money on this tablet. Thanks for the info!
The bootloader on the GPe version of the tablet is easily unlocked with a single adb command on your PC, just like any Nexus device. Took me about a minute to unlock mine.
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The only difference you can notice with the GPe version.
qpair
colwellkr said:
The only difference between the GPE (Google Play Edition) and LGE (LG Edition) is software. Both tablets have identical hardware specs but the LGE comes with LGE specific software, like QRemote, QPair, and the usual bloatware. The LGE is also running android version 4.2.2 by stock LG Rom.
Whereas the GPE comes stock running Google's own build of android. The GPE runs 4.4.2 out of the box and does not have any of the bloatware that the LGE has. However you will also be missing out of QRemote, QPair, and it will have limited functionality for the SD card. Also depending where you bought your LGE the GPE can be $50+ more expensive. As for the bootloader I don't know for sure how much is different because I don't have a GPE to play around with.
I personally wanted Kitkat (android 4.4.2) so rather than burn another $50 I rooted my LGE, installed a recovery mod, and flashed the Cyanogenmod's nightly build of Kitkat onto it. Cyanogenmod is based on Google's rom (why it is known as AOSP based) but it allows more functionality from the SDcard than the GPE but it doesn't have the bloatware the LGE will have. I was even able to get QPair working on it there are some dedicated dev's here working to crack the encryption on the IRblaster so we can get QRemote working as well.
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Hello
How were you able type get Q pair working on your lg pad with kitkat? I haven't been able to
Thanks
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How were you able type get Q pair working on your lg pad with kitkat? I haven't been able to
Thanks
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Its been updated in the google play store search there and get it.
Do GPE devices get updated about as fast as Nexus devices?
How about typical timing of custom ROMs compared to releases for GPE?
The GPE is more expensive than stock (at least, in the US based on sales for the stock edition) and I'm trying to figure out if it's worth it.
Apologies if I missed something in search.
foosion said:
Do GPE devices get updated about as fast as Nexus devices?
How about typical timing of custom ROMs compared to releases for GPE?
The GPE is more expensive than stock (at least, in the US based on sales for the stock edition) and I'm trying to figure out if it's worth it.
Apologies if I missed something in search.
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Google Play Editions are second to get the updates, usually within a week of the nexus devices, while the lg V500 still hasn't recieved kitkat yet.
Really, I wouldn't worry too much about kitkat or not. A lot of hype. There are a couple of stable roms for the lgv500 now, and only a stock starter rom for the gpe as it is already bare bones, and with the edition of xposed and a custom kernel, doesn't really need anything else. All of the roms are running kitkat as far as i know.
The only note of interest here is that the lgv500 (not GPE) does not currently have the screen adjusted in any of the roms that I know of -- Somebody please correct me if I am wrong about that. There is however, someone working on a custom kernel for the 500 to fix that issue.
Hate to say it but you may want to check out the 8.4 galaxy tab pro.
I mean official-wise and community-wise. I've never owned a tablet and want to buy this one(used, unfortunately due to tight budget), I am more of a developer(though have no plans of developing right now) so might want to tweak the device here and there.
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I mean official-wise and community-wise. I've never owned a tablet and want to buy this one(used, unfortunately due to tight budget), I am more of a developer(though have no plans of developing right now) so might want to tweak the device here and there.
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Considering that the OG Nexus 7 is still supported, I'd say you have at LEAST a year left, but likely 2-3
Officially goog supports devices for 18 months, which means 3 major updates (as they generally release a major update in the summer and winter)
While goog does not announce devices ahead of time, it would not be unreasonable to expect a 2014 N7 in the summer.
The 2012 N7 will be recieving it's final update soon, there is a high likelyhood that 4.4.3 will be coming in the future.
It will be unlikely that it gets 4.5/5.0/whatever is coming in the summer.
Unofficially even the NS is still supported officially by CM and the like. (there will be a point that they have to drop it from official support like they did for the N1 though)
Unofficially unofficially even the N1 has an unofficial CM11 rom, so rom wise it is still reasonably up to date.
It really depends on how far on the Official support <--- ---> Unofficial support line you are on.