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I bought my first american phone (att Galaxy S3) and was kind of disappointed by the development compared to the international version.
This phone is a beast! Thinking about upgrading and since the HW is all the same except for the radio there should be simple compatibility between ROMs except for the radio off course? Any dev that cares to confirm and comment?
Thanks.
I preface this by stating that I'm no dev. That said, it seems to me that devs should be able to separate the ROM from the radio, and convert International ROM's to work with the AT&T version.
gtalum said:
I preface this by stating that I'm no dev. That said, it seems to me that devs should be able to separate the ROM from the radio, and convert International ROM's to work with the AT&T version.
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Absolutely. There where a lot of droid roms with no radio in the past so that should be no issue now. However there might be something we are missing as I am no dev either. I guess we just have to wait and see after it is released. Sometimes they change small things like audio chip and stuff like that.
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While it might seem simple to seperate the RIL and the rest of the firmware, you should take a look in the international Note2 forums and notice the lack of N7105 development. (The 7105 is the international "LTE" version and would actually be more similar to what AT&T is releasing.)
Take care
Gary
garyd9 said:
While it might seem simple to seperate the RIL and the rest of the firmware, you should take a look in the international Note2 forums and notice the lack of N7105 development. (The 7105 is the international "LTE" version and would actually be more similar to what AT&T is releasing.)
Take care
Gary
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I did notice that but at the same time it was a lot of nice modders showing there faces.I believe it was a month ago it was released. I think we are going to see more activity soon (hope). However. The international sgs 3 is more similar (CPU) to the note so maybe fewer upgraders from that one to the note. For instance there is no CM yet.
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I was also looking to moving back to android from iPhone...once again this phone has definitely caught my attention and comparing the international vs ATT think it might be a bit cheaper for me to get international (still under contract) but will I be loosing anything with the international Vs the ATT model? thanks:good:
El_Six said:
... but will I be loosing anything with the international Vs the ATT model?
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What you'll lose with the international variant (when compared to the AT&T variant):
LTE
"local" warranty service at an at&t store. (Without buying extra warranty packages such as squaretrade, the international version either won't have any warranty at all, or will require shipping the phone to the place of purchase who will then ship it overseas for actual warranty service.)
Possibly some network/radio "tweaks" to supposedly work better with AT&T towers. (AT&T will tell you this matters, but my own experience has been that AT&T locked devices seem to work WORSE on AT&T towers when compared to generic international radio settings.)
Certain extra bloatware that AT&T preloads on the phone that might not be available or functional on non-AT&T devices. Examples of things that some might consider useful: visual voicemail (supposedly not available on non-LTE devices - I use google voice instead); whatever AT&T does to allow their phones to connect to AT&T wifi hotspots without the need to pre-authenticate or accept extra terms and conditions on each connect.
...In my own opinion, I think the LTE and warranty service items are the only significant things.
For many, LTE might not be that big of a deal. Perhaps there isn't any LTE service in their area or their usage patterns are such that the faster speeds aren't significant. Actually, depending on how you use the phone's data, LTE can actually be a bad thing. An example would be someone who mostly just uses their device for email. Fetching and sending email is usually done in the background, so the data speed doesn't matter - but that background data using LTE will suck down a battery much faster than the same background data using EDGE/UMTS/HSPA.
However, LTE can be great if you use a lot of data for web browsing, tethering, or things like pinterest that use a lot of data interactively (and you are in an area with LTE service)
The warranty issue is only a loss if you get a phone that requires service covered by the warranty. While this is rare, it's not unheard of.
Perhaps the screen goes nuts after you've had the phone for 2 months. If you bought the phone from AT&T, you can get a replacement in a day or two (at no cost to you.) If you bought an international version from (for example) expansys, you'd have to ship the phone to expansys-usa, they'd ship it to Expansys Europe, who would then ship it to Samsung for service. After a few days or weeks, samsung would send the supposedly fixed phone back to expansys europe who'd send it to expansys-usa who would send it to you.
Some US-based retailers of the international phone won't even provide that type of warranty service - in that case, you'd basically have NO warranty at all. (This is the case with many of the amazon-based places that sell the n7100.)
... on the other hand, there are many negatives to the AT&T device when compared to the international (and those have been discussed many times over, so I won't list them all here.)
N7105?
ANy chance someone could net out the differences between the soon to be release ATT / LTE version and the International N7105 (LTE & H) versions? Like, will the ATT version be able to connect to all:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE 800 / 1800 / 2600
like international N7105 version? Seems if it does not, and the N7105 works on ATT it would be best to avoid bloat and issue by obtaining the N7105.
garyd9 said:
What you'll lose with the international variant (when compared to the AT&T variant):
LTE
"local" warranty service at an at&t store. (Without buying extra warranty packages such as squaretrade, the international version either won't have any warranty at all, or will require shipping the phone to the place of purchase who will then ship it overseas for actual warranty service.)
Possibly some network/radio "tweaks" to supposedly work better with AT&T towers. (AT&T will tell you this matters, but my own experience has been that AT&T locked devices seem to work WORSE on AT&T towers when compared to generic international radio settings.)
Certain extra bloatware that AT&T preloads on the phone that might not be available or functional on non-AT&T devices. Examples of things that some might consider useful: visual voicemail (supposedly not available on non-LTE devices - I use google voice instead); whatever AT&T does to allow their phones to connect to AT&T wifi hotspots without the need to pre-authenticate or accept extra terms and conditions on each connect.
...In my own opinion, I think the LTE and warranty service items are the only significant things.
For many, LTE might not be that big of a deal. Perhaps there isn't any LTE service in their area or their usage patterns are such that the faster speeds aren't significant. Actually, depending on how you use the phone's data, LTE can actually be a bad thing. An example would be someone who mostly just uses their device for email. Fetching and sending email is usually done in the background, so the data speed doesn't matter - but that background data using LTE will suck down a battery much faster than the same background data using EDGE/UMTS/HSPA.
However, LTE can be great if you use a lot of data for web browsing, tethering, or things like pinterest that use a lot of data interactively (and you are in an area with LTE service)
The warranty issue is only a loss if you get a phone that requires service covered by the warranty. While this is rare, it's not unheard of.
Perhaps the screen goes nuts after you've had the phone for 2 months. If you bought the phone from AT&T, you can get a replacement in a day or two (at no cost to you.) If you bought an international version from (for example) expansys, you'd have to ship the phone to expansys-usa, they'd ship it to Expansys Europe, who would then ship it to Samsung for service. After a few days or weeks, samsung would send the supposedly fixed phone back to expansys europe who'd send it to expansys-usa who would send it to you.
Some US-based retailers of the international phone won't even provide that type of warranty service - in that case, you'd basically have NO warranty at all. (This is the case with many of the amazon-based places that sell the n7100.)
... on the other hand, there are many negatives to the AT&T device when compared to the international (and those have been discussed many times over, so I won't list them all here.)
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ccctexas said:
Seems if it does not, and the N7105 works on ATT it would be best to avoid bloat and issue by obtaining the N7105.
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Getting the 7105 for use on at&t would be a waste of money. The ONLY note2 that will work on at&t lte bands will be the 317. EU lte bands are different from US lte bands.
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ccctexas said:
ANy chance someone could net out the differences between the soon to be release ATT / LTE version and the International N7105 (LTE & H) versions? Like, will the ATT version be able to connect to all:
2G NetworkGSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G NetworkHSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G NetworkLTE 800 / 1800 / 2600
like international N7105 version? Seems if it does not, and the N7105 works on ATT it would be best to avoid bloat and issue by obtaining the N7105.
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Avoiding the bloat is easy enough to do yourself with a program like titanium. Or you just install a custom rom. HW and support/development are the main things. And in this case it seems to be advantage to att for once in the HW department (minus FM radio that I personally don't even care about) . But from my limited lack of US dev. The international support is far superior atleast in my galaxy S3 experience. Amazing if the development can run simultaneously on att and International. That is a win!
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At&t has a warranty. If anything happens to the n7100 your screwed.
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frewys said:
I bought my first american phone (att Galaxy S3) and was kind of disappointed by the development compared to the international version.
This phone is a beast! Thinking about upgrading and since the HW is all the same except for the radio there should be simple compatibility between ROMs except for the radio off course? Any dev that cares to confirm and comment?
Thanks.
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I have a thread on this EXACT topic in the international forum. I would suggest generating some buzz there; the international forum is more likely to be seem by devs and maybe gain support.
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ccctexas said:
ANy chance someone could net out the differences between the soon to be release ATT / LTE version and the International N7105 (LTE & H) versions? Like, will the ATT version be able to connect to all:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE 800 / 1800 / 2600
like international N7105 version? Seems if it does not, and the N7105 works on ATT it would be best to avoid bloat and issue by obtaining the N7105.
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AT&T's Note 2 connectivity is more like this AFAIK:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE 700 / 1700
Jade Eyed Wolf said:
I have a thread on this EXACT topic in the international forum. I would suggest generating some buzz there; the international forum is more likely to be seem by devs and maybe gain support.
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AT&T's Note 2 connectivity is more like this AFAIK:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE 700 / 1700
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It also has 2100 LTE support.
I was looking at the tech specs for the new HTC One and T-Mobile has less support for LTE bands.
Is it just a matter of HTC referring only to the bands that matter to each carrier or is it actually a question of different radios.
I ask because apparently the Google Play edition follows T-Mobile's hardware (possibly to provide support for both US GSM carriers), and makes it a no deal for international customers that need support to other bands.
felipedacruz said:
I was looking at the tech specs for the new HTC One and T-Mobile has less support for LTE bands.
Is it just a matter of HTC referring only to the bands that matter to each carrier or is it actually a question of different radios.
I ask because apparently the Google Play edition follows T-Mobile's hardware (possibly to provide support for both US GSM carriers), and makes it a no deal for international customers that need support to other bands.
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In the review on Engadget they say there are 6 different versions of the phone. It seems the everyone who got it early for review received the international version without US LTE support. These are the radios for the AT&T and T-Mobile versions.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/25/htc-one-2014-review/
GSM/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900) (All)
HSPA+
AT&T: (850/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps
T-Mobile: (850/AWS/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
LTE
AT&T: (700/850/AWS/1800/1900/2600)
T-Mobile: (700/AWS)
I've been looking into it myself because I'd like to get the T-Mobile version and flash the GPE rom and it does look like the GPE is the same hardware as T-Mobile's copy.
I really hate how these companies make a bunch of different hardware configurations. They're obviously capable of putting all the radios in one device, LG did it for AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint with the Nexus 5. N5 on T-Mobile is my current phone, I'm still trying to decide if the M8 is a worthy upgrade.
Yes the lack of compatibility between the two carriers is extremely annoying. I have the Dev Edition of M7 right now and it irks me to no end that I am stuck with AT&T with it. I'd totally buy the M8 if it supports all the frequencies of the AT&T version PLUS AWS for HSPA+.
I travel overseas a lot and I am very disappointed that I get more usage out of my old Samsung Galaxy S2 than the M7.
So how does this translate for M8 bought from somewhere else but used on T-Mobile network. I have ordered the M8 from Amazon (Prime shipping FTW), but it does not mention LTE bands.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Unlocked-Warranty/dp/tech-data/B00J3554KE/ref=de_a_smtd
If I assume all non carrier branded M8 are the same, would the Play store description be accurate?
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=htc_m8
Play store description mentions "700 MHz, AWS", which is a match with the engadget article "T-Mobile: (700/AWS)".
Would flashing a different radio software allow getting past incompatibilities, or the hardware itself is set to specific bands.
EDIT:
Just noticed this note at the bottom of Play Store page:
Compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile in the US. Check with your carrier for details about coverage.
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But also noticed this on the Amazon page:
4G LTE (1900 MHz) with availability in limited markets; 3G (800/1900 CDMA/EV-DO Rev. A frequencies)
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From quick research, T-Mobile will get LTE in 1900MHZ by "end of 2014". I think I need to ask around a bit on Amazon/T-mobile and research some more...
AnDruid said:
So how does this translate for M8 bought from somewhere else but used on T-Mobile network. I have ordered the M8 from Amazon (Prime shipping FTW), but it does not mention LTE bands.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Unlocked-Warranty/dp/tech-data/B00J3554KE/ref=de_a_smtd
If I assume all non carrier branded M8 are the same, would the Play store description be accurate?
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=htc_m8
Play store description mentions "700 MHz, AWS", which is a match with the engadget article "T-Mobile: (700/AWS)".
Would flashing a different radio software allow getting past incompatibilities, or the hardware itself is set to specific bands.
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Someone with more knowledge of radios can probably give a better answer than me but, as I said earlier, at first glance it looks like the Play Store (GPE) version has the same radios as the T-Mobile version. There's also a YouTube video of someone using a T-Mobile sim in their Verizon copy and it worked although, according to the data in the Engadget review, I don't think data speeds are as fast as they would be with the T-Mobile specific phone, at least on HSPA+.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/25/htc-one-2014-review/
GSM/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900) (All)
HSPA+
Verizon: (850/900/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 14.4 Mbps
T-Mobile: (850/AWS/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
LTE
Verizon: (700/AWS/1800/2600)
T-Mobile: (700/AWS)
These are the radios in the GPE version
GSM/GPRS/EDGE quad-band 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HSPA/UMTS quad-band 850/AWS/1900/2100 MHz
3G (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
HSDPA 21, HSUPA 5.76
4G LTE (700 MHz, AWS)
ausch30 said:
Someone with more knowledge of radios can probably give a better answer than me but, as I said earlier, at first glance it looks like the Play Store (GPE) version has the same radios as the T-Mobile version. There's also a YouTube video of someone using a T-Mobile sim in their Verizon copy and it worked although, according to the data in the Engadget review, I don't think data speeds are as fast as they would be with the T-Mobile specific phone, at least on HSPA+.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/25/htc-one-2014-review/
GSM/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900) (All)
HSPA+
Verizon: (850/900/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 14.4 Mbps
T-Mobile: (850/AWS/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
LTE
Verizon: (700/AWS/1800/2600)
T-Mobile: (700/AWS)
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I see some not so heartening details on Amazon/Play store. Updated my previous post. Will need a bit of research regarding the radio flashing as well as the LTE bands, but looks like T-Mobile and Amazon M8 may have trouble playing together.
AnDruid said:
I see some not so heartening details on Amazon/Play store. Updated my previous post. Will need a bit of research regarding the radio flashing as well as the LTE bands, but looks like T-Mobile and Amazon M8 may have trouble playing together.
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I just looked at the one Amazon is selling and it seems to me to be a Sprint version, although I don't know that the radios listed are actually correct since the Engadget article said all versions will support GSM/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900) and there's no mention of those on the Amazon product page. There's no mention of GSM or HSPA/HSPA+ at all so based on their data it wouldn't work with AT&T or T-Mobile.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Un...52509-3704704?ie=UTF8&n=2335752011&s=wireless
3G (800/1900 CDMA/EV-DO Rev. A frequencies)
LTE (1900 MHz)
ausch30 said:
I just looked at the one Amazon is selling and it seems to me to be a Sprint version, although I don't know that the radios listed are actually correct since the Engadget article said all versions will support GSM/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900) and there's no mention of those on the Amazon product page. There's no mention of GSM or HSPA/HSPA+ at all so based on their data it wouldn't work with AT&T or T-Mobile.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Un...52509-3704704?ie=UTF8&n=2335752011&s=wireless
3G (800/1900 CDMA/EV-DO Rev. A frequencies)
LTE (1900 MHz)
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Not sure, but maybe the data over there is not accurate? Even the Amazon M8 page for ATT version shows the same information.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Gunmetal-Grey/dp/B00IZ1VNZ2
This thread over on the M8 forum does not have much concrete info either:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2694630
The radio situation is indeed a veritable mess. I wonder if there are any real tech/cost challenges which limit the radio compatibility or is it just the carriers being evil. I assume a standard hardware chip across all devices will be easier and cheaper to put in, so it must be the evil carriers forcing HTC then.
I am somewhat banking on the fact that unlocked phones (the one on Amazon) are most likely to be GSM compatible. Must get in touch with Amazon customer care I suppose rather than ranting here.
The Anandtech review actually shows that the GPe version combines the best of AT&T and T-Mobile!
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review
It should work for both carriers.
It is instead missing WCDMA 900 so not optimal if you want to use it in Asia/Europe.
Elythor said:
The Anandtech review actually shows that the GPe version combines the best of AT&T and T-Mobile!
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review
It should work for both carriers.
It is instead missing WCDMA 900 so not optimal if you want to use it in Asia/Europe.
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I did see somewhere that the DE has AT&T radios and the GPE has T-Mobile but that really doesn't make a lot of sense. I trust Anand so I think they're probably the most accurate.
So to understand if I bought a tmobile version it work on at&t and verizons networks as well? I thought Verizon just had cdma phones not Gsm like tmobile and at&t
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xda23 said:
So to understand if I bought a tmobile version it work on at&t and verizons networks as well? I thought Verizon just had cdma phones not Gsm like tmobile and at&t
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No, T-mobile version will work for AT&T but not for Verizon.
What a ridiculous mess! Carriers shouldn't dictate what bands the phone comes in and they should all just be released in ONE model for GSM and all carriers get it.
I understand needing special models for Sprint and Verizon but for GSM its getting ridiculous.
Even the tmobile version doesn't show the 1700 frequency. Isn't that a requirement to be fully compatible with tmobile??
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The Amazon AT&T page updated to show following specs for network:
http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IZ1VNZ2
3G - WCDMA: Domestic 850/1900MHz with HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps; Roaming 2100 MHz -- 4G – LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900MHz; Roaming 1800/2600 MHz
Developer edition specs were also updated to show same specs.
http://smile.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Developer-Edition/dp/B00J3AYHOI/
The unlocked version (non developer shows Verizon like specs). Hope they are more accurate now.
EtherealRemnant said:
What a ridiculous mess! Carriers shouldn't dictate what bands the phone comes in and they should all just be released in ONE model for GSM and all carriers get it.
I understand needing special models for Sprint and Verizon but for GSM its getting ridiculous.
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Exactly can't understand what the morons at HTC are doing.
Anandtech has clarified the radio stuff in the first page of their review.
http://anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review
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busab said:
Even the tmobile version doesn't show the 1700 frequency. Isn't that a requirement to be fully compatible with tmobile??
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AWS = T-Mobile frequencies
AT&T, Unlock, and Dev versions will work on T-Mobile.
LTE = YES
HSPA+ = Depends if you area has LTE or HSPA converted from AWS to 1900
2G = YES
T-mobile version loses spectrum for LTE due to spectrum deals and HSPA+ spectrum support.
Qualcomm charges to license spectrum for their radio chips. Also it requires more hardware to support more frequencies. There has to be give and take, and would you pay $900 for the HTC One if it supported more frequencies?
Tidbits said:
AWS = T-Mobile frequencies
AT&T, Unlock, and Dev versions will work on T-Mobile.
LTE = YES
HSPA+ = Depends if you area has LTE or HSPA converted from AWS to 1900
2G = YES
T-mobile version loses spectrum for LTE due to spectrum deals and HSPA+ spectrum support.
Qualcomm charges to license spectrum for their radio chips. Also it requires more hardware to support more frequencies. There has to be give and take, and would you pay $900 for the HTC One if it supported more frequencies?
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Really? Apple has all the bands in one model. $350 Nexus 5 has all the necessary bands. So it is bull that it costs more, they just screw up every time. By the way I use the unlocked model and enjoying the M8 but no excuse for not having a single gsm model.
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kirdroid said:
Really? Apple has all the bands in one model. $350 Nexus 5 has all the necessary bands. So it is bull that it costs more, they just screw up every time. By the way I use the unlocked model and enjoying the M8 but no excuse for not having a single gsm model.
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Sorry I firmly believe Google subsidizes a bit of the cost for their phones. They are using the console model to generate revenue.
Apple devices have a premium cost compared to majority of the items out there and doesn't include how much they make from iTunes.
The T-Mobile version is cheaper than the other GSM models.
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Tidbits said:
Sorry I firmly believe Google subsidizes a bit of the cost for their phones. They are using the console model to generate revenue.
Apple devices have a premium cost compared to majority of the items out there and doesn't include how much they make from iTunes.
The T-Mobile version is cheaper than the other GSM models.
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Ok I will give you one more example...Sony unlocked devices in Sony store cost same as HTC One and they have all the necessary radios to work perfectly on r T-Mobile and AT&T. It's not that hard you know if you want to do a single gsm model.
And no Google is not subsidizing $500 or something, may be little bit they take a hit on profits from selling hardware but in no way they are fools to subsidize huge dollars. Like T-Mobile was selling Nexus 5 for $500 or something? Which might be the actual price.
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I'm not sure where I would post this exactly anyhow =p but I don't know much about antennas and such and what the US primarily uses for phone towers and 4g and all that. How well would the European version of the s5 work in the US? More specifically the G900K which is for Europe usage.
Some specifics for the euro s5:
Network:
LTE 800/850/900/1800/1900/2100/2600); UMTS (850/900/1900/2100MHz) ; GSM (850/900/1800/1900MHz)
HSPA (Download/ Upload) LTE Cat4 (150Mbps/50Mbps) / HSDPA+ 42Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps / 3G / EDGE / GPRS
ReapersDeath said:
I'm not sure where I would post this exactly anyhow =p but I don't know much about antennas and such and what the US primarily uses for phone towers and 4g and all that. How well would the European version of the s5 work in the US? More specifically the G900K which is for Europe usage.
Some specifics for the euro s5:
Network:
LTE 800/850/900/1800/1900/2100/2600); UMTS (850/900/1900/2100MHz) ; GSM (850/900/1800/1900MHz)
HSPA (Download/ Upload) LTE Cat4 (150Mbps/50Mbps) / HSDPA+ 42Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps / 3G / EDGE / GPRS
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1st, this should have been posted in the Samsung Galaxy S5 q&a forum. It looks as if the radios are similar, but you cannot flash roms or any other software that are NOT designed for your phone. That's how bricks happen
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Well duh.. Wasn't planning on rooting. I'm just curious as to how compatible.. Don't want to get a phone with no 4g in the us
ReapersDeath said:
Well duh.. Wasn't planning on rooting. I'm just curious as to how compatible.. Don't want to get a phone with no 4g in the us
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You will have to unlock the phone to use in the U.S. Also sometimes stock software is not always compatible in the U.S. You will likely have issues with text and mms messages because of incorrect apns, as well as 4g issues.
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joeyhdownsouth said:
You will have to unlock the phone to use in the U.S. Also sometimes stock software is not always compatible in the U.S. You will likely have issues with text and mms messages because of incorrect apns, as well as 4g issues.
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I know a company out of China where they unlock it and do all that stuff. Just need to figure out how well it works lol
Hey All,
Long story short, I got an HTC One M8 M8x (which is apparently from Taiwan?).
I got it on the cheap.
Phone starts, activates just fine. I have MetroPCS. However, I won't access LTE at all. I have tried to change the APN and everything. The model I have should have LTE.
Any thoughts on how to fix it?
SIM Card
I also had to chop off part of my SIM to fit. Is it possible I removed the LTE portion of the SIM?
That device has these bands as per here: Those appear to be for a chinese region
http://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=N82E16875502227
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 MHz
UMTS 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 MHz
LTE 800 / 900 / 1800 / 2600
Metro PCS has these bands:Tmobile Network,does not appear that specific device has the bands.
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-4988
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Wonders_Never_Cease said:
That device has these bands as per here: Those appear to be for a chinese region
http://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=N82E16875502227
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 MHz
UMTS 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 MHz
LTE 800 / 900 / 1800 / 2600
Metro PCS has these bands:Tmobile Network,does not appear that specific device has the bands.
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-4988
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That basically means I'm boned then right? There's literally nothing I can do (since it is hardware based).
Unfortunately it appears that way,based on what I found in that info that device will not aupport tmobile lte via metropcs towers.
admiralriker said:
That basically means I'm boned then right? There's literally nothing I can do (since it is hardware based).
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Change Radio?
Do you think there's anyway I could just flash another radio file to change the frequencies picked up?
No not to my knowledge,they are hardcoded into device.
admiralriker said:
Do you think there's anyway I could just flash another radio file to change the frequencies picked up?
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Wonders_Never_Cease said:
No not to my knowledge,they are hardcoded into device.
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If I'm understanding correctly, the M8x is the same as any other GSM M8, its just a regionalization?
If so, as long as the phone is s-off, you should be able to flash a different radio and open up different freq support on LTE (in this case, a T-Mob radio). Or am I missing something? I know WNC is a lot smarter than me on this stuff, so I'm thinking I must be missing something?
Im not 100% you could very well be correct,thats why i said to my knowledge its wont work. From what I was told awhile back it is in the hardware not the firmware software.I do know for a fact on the M7 is is not able to be changed via firmware radio flashing.
Post #18 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2736921&page=2
redpoint73 said:
If I'm understanding correctly, the M8x is the same as any other GSM M8, its just a regionalization?
If so, as long as the phone is s-off, you should be able to flash a different radio and open up different freq support on LTE (in this case, a T-Mob radio). Or am I missing something? I know WNC is a lot smarter than me on this stuff, so I'm thinking I must be missing something?
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Wonders_Never_Cease said:
Im not 100% you could very well be correct,thats why i said to my knowledge its wont work. From what I was told awhile back it is in the hardware not the firmware software.I do know for a fact on the M7 is is not able to be changed via firmware radio flashing.
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As of Snapdragon 801 chipset, the band support is now software based. It was a new thing for me too, on this device. As previously, I was accustomed to band support always being hardware based, and telling people "no way" when they asked if you can change band support by flashing a different radio.
My understanding, all GSM M8's have identical hardware (aside from cosmetics) and can be flashed/converted to be any other variant (s-off required, of course).
The exceptions are the dual SIM M8 and (possibly) the CDMA (Sprint, Verizon) variants which may actually have different hardware (its not been clear to me, and I have yet to read anything definitive either way on this).
Link i posted for thread post #18 says user tried other variants radios and was unable to get them to work, IF this is true then they are not all software base...shrugs, who knows...lol
Wonders_Never_Cease said:
Link i posted for thread post #18 says user tried other variants radios and was unable to get them to work, IF this is true then they are not all software base...shrugs, who knows...lol
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So this may indeed be something specific to the Taiwanese variant (not compatible with other M8 radios?).
Other folks on that same thread were able to do it on other variants (AT&T radio on T-Mob version; T-Mob radio on AT&T version) and I've seen other reports to the same effect.
It may be, they may have locked it up on chinese variant as it is a different device model than a regular m8
Wonders_Never_Cease said:
It may be, they may have locked it up on chinese variant as it is a different device model than a regular m8
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Yeah, I forgot the Taiwanese variant had different CPU clocking (but otherwise the same?).
Based on that post id say more than thats different....
I have a T-Mobile branded M8 rooted, unlocked bootloader, and S-Off. I live out in the sticks and can only get 1900mhz LTE band 2 on my wife's S4 however, my M8 doesn't see band 2 because of the radio firmware.
Is there a radio firmware from another GSM M8 variant that I could flash to my T-Mobile branded M8 that would get me the 1900mhz LTE band 2?
Are you using the phone on a different carrier besides T-Mobile? If so, which carrier?
Also, Band 2 looks like its 1900 MHz, and band 4 corresponds to 1700 MHz (also known as AWS). So not clear which band you are looking for: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
No. I am on T-Mobile US.
Sorry, I meant band 2 (1900mhz). Corrected in the OP.
barcodelinux said:
No. I am on T-Mobile US.
Sorry, I meant band 2 (1900mhz). Corrected in the OP.
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That's really odd that the T-Mobile US variant doesn't include a band that T-Mob uses. But based on specs listed online, this is the case (doesn't support 1900 MHz Band 2 for LTE): http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_(m8)-6074.php
AT&T or Developer's Edition radios may be your best bet (AT&T uses 1900 for LTE).
barcodelinux said:
I have a T-Mobile branded M8 rooted, unlocked bootloader, and S-Off. I live out in the sticks and can only get 1900mhz LTE band 2 on my wife's S4 however, my M8 doesn't see band 2 because of the radio firmware.
Is there a radio firmware from another GSM M8 variant that I could flash to my T-Mobile branded M8 that would get me the 1900mhz LTE band 2?
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Looks like you and I are in the same boat. I was dumfounded when I found out a LTE capable phone I purchased from T-Mobile is not able to get LTE due to an unsupported band.
In any case, I have a similar post over in the [Q&A] [RADIO] Q&A HTC One M8 Radio collection for different model Models/CID's. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/help/qa-htc-one-m8-radio-collection-models-t2941210/page6
One guy mentions the AT&T radio would probably work but I would lose 3G connectivity in some areas. I'm going to have to look into that a little deeper.
Please update me if you find a solution and let me know how things work out. I'll do the same.
fyrcap100 said:
One guy mentions the AT&T radio would probably work but I would lose 3G connectivity in some areas. I'm going to have to look into that a little deeper.
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That's right. It occurred to me that the AT&T version lacks the AWS band (Band 4, or 1700/2100MHz), which T-Mob uses for HSPA+ (3G) in many areas. Its somewhat of an oddball band, meaning its not used in many places aside from T-Mob US, so its pretty rare to have this built into any radio that is not specifically T-Mob.
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That's right. It occurred to me that the AT&T version lacks the AWS band (Band 4, or 1700/2100MHz), which T-Mob uses for HSPA+ (3G) in many areas. Its somewhat of an oddball band, meaning its not used in many places aside from T-Mob US, so its pretty rare to have this built into any radio that is not specifically T-Mob.
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What a PITA. Why didn't TMO just go ahead and put LTE Band 2 in the phone in the first place. They knew they were pushing LTE in that band so why handcuff their customers. You can't make this stuff up!
Thanks for the information you have provided. It really is eye-opening. I'm still in the buyers remorse period as far as this phone is concerned and could return it. The problem is I don't know what phone to get without spending twice the money at this point. That is unless I want to move of an iPhone (Boo!!).
What a tangled web!
redpoint73 said:
That's right. It occurred to me that the AT&T version lacks the AWS band (Band 4, or 1700/2100MHz), which T-Mob uses for HSPA+ (3G) in many areas. Its somewhat of an oddball band, meaning its not used in many places aside from T-Mob US, so its pretty rare to have this built into any radio that is not specifically T-Mob.
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So does the developer version support the AWS band?
fastbyte27 said:
So does the developer version support the AWS band?
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I don't know for sure but there is a 2014 article on Phandroid that states the Developer Edition is basically an unbranded version of the AT&T phone. So logic would say that if the AT&T version doesn't support it then the Developer Edition wouldn't either.
http://phandroid.com/2014/03/26/htc-one-m8-developer-edition/
fastbyte27 said:
So does the developer version support the AWS band?
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Dev Edition does not support AWS for HSPA+ (3G), according to this: https://support.t-mobile.com/message/359612
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fyrcap100 said:
I don't know for sure but there is a 2014 article on Phandroid that states the Developer Edition is basically an unbranded version of the AT&T phone. So logic would say that if the AT&T version doesn't support it then the Developer Edition wouldn't either.
http://phandroid.com/2014/03/26/htc-one-m8-developer-edition/
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That was my original understanding as well, and for the most part true. However, its been pointed out on XDA (and specs online agree) that the Dev Edition is missing LTE Band 7, which the AT&T version does support. A minor difference that won't affect most folks (AT&T doesn't use that band), but a difference nonetheless.