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I was looking at the tech specs for the new HTC One and T-Mobile has less support for LTE bands.
Is it just a matter of HTC referring only to the bands that matter to each carrier or is it actually a question of different radios.
I ask because apparently the Google Play edition follows T-Mobile's hardware (possibly to provide support for both US GSM carriers), and makes it a no deal for international customers that need support to other bands.
felipedacruz said:
I was looking at the tech specs for the new HTC One and T-Mobile has less support for LTE bands.
Is it just a matter of HTC referring only to the bands that matter to each carrier or is it actually a question of different radios.
I ask because apparently the Google Play edition follows T-Mobile's hardware (possibly to provide support for both US GSM carriers), and makes it a no deal for international customers that need support to other bands.
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In the review on Engadget they say there are 6 different versions of the phone. It seems the everyone who got it early for review received the international version without US LTE support. These are the radios for the AT&T and T-Mobile versions.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/25/htc-one-2014-review/
GSM/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900) (All)
HSPA+
AT&T: (850/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps
T-Mobile: (850/AWS/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
LTE
AT&T: (700/850/AWS/1800/1900/2600)
T-Mobile: (700/AWS)
I've been looking into it myself because I'd like to get the T-Mobile version and flash the GPE rom and it does look like the GPE is the same hardware as T-Mobile's copy.
I really hate how these companies make a bunch of different hardware configurations. They're obviously capable of putting all the radios in one device, LG did it for AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint with the Nexus 5. N5 on T-Mobile is my current phone, I'm still trying to decide if the M8 is a worthy upgrade.
Yes the lack of compatibility between the two carriers is extremely annoying. I have the Dev Edition of M7 right now and it irks me to no end that I am stuck with AT&T with it. I'd totally buy the M8 if it supports all the frequencies of the AT&T version PLUS AWS for HSPA+.
I travel overseas a lot and I am very disappointed that I get more usage out of my old Samsung Galaxy S2 than the M7.
So how does this translate for M8 bought from somewhere else but used on T-Mobile network. I have ordered the M8 from Amazon (Prime shipping FTW), but it does not mention LTE bands.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Unlocked-Warranty/dp/tech-data/B00J3554KE/ref=de_a_smtd
If I assume all non carrier branded M8 are the same, would the Play store description be accurate?
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=htc_m8
Play store description mentions "700 MHz, AWS", which is a match with the engadget article "T-Mobile: (700/AWS)".
Would flashing a different radio software allow getting past incompatibilities, or the hardware itself is set to specific bands.
EDIT:
Just noticed this note at the bottom of Play Store page:
Compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile in the US. Check with your carrier for details about coverage.
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But also noticed this on the Amazon page:
4G LTE (1900 MHz) with availability in limited markets; 3G (800/1900 CDMA/EV-DO Rev. A frequencies)
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From quick research, T-Mobile will get LTE in 1900MHZ by "end of 2014". I think I need to ask around a bit on Amazon/T-mobile and research some more...
AnDruid said:
So how does this translate for M8 bought from somewhere else but used on T-Mobile network. I have ordered the M8 from Amazon (Prime shipping FTW), but it does not mention LTE bands.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Unlocked-Warranty/dp/tech-data/B00J3554KE/ref=de_a_smtd
If I assume all non carrier branded M8 are the same, would the Play store description be accurate?
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=htc_m8
Play store description mentions "700 MHz, AWS", which is a match with the engadget article "T-Mobile: (700/AWS)".
Would flashing a different radio software allow getting past incompatibilities, or the hardware itself is set to specific bands.
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Someone with more knowledge of radios can probably give a better answer than me but, as I said earlier, at first glance it looks like the Play Store (GPE) version has the same radios as the T-Mobile version. There's also a YouTube video of someone using a T-Mobile sim in their Verizon copy and it worked although, according to the data in the Engadget review, I don't think data speeds are as fast as they would be with the T-Mobile specific phone, at least on HSPA+.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/25/htc-one-2014-review/
GSM/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900) (All)
HSPA+
Verizon: (850/900/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 14.4 Mbps
T-Mobile: (850/AWS/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
LTE
Verizon: (700/AWS/1800/2600)
T-Mobile: (700/AWS)
These are the radios in the GPE version
GSM/GPRS/EDGE quad-band 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HSPA/UMTS quad-band 850/AWS/1900/2100 MHz
3G (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
HSDPA 21, HSUPA 5.76
4G LTE (700 MHz, AWS)
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Someone with more knowledge of radios can probably give a better answer than me but, as I said earlier, at first glance it looks like the Play Store (GPE) version has the same radios as the T-Mobile version. There's also a YouTube video of someone using a T-Mobile sim in their Verizon copy and it worked although, according to the data in the Engadget review, I don't think data speeds are as fast as they would be with the T-Mobile specific phone, at least on HSPA+.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/25/htc-one-2014-review/
GSM/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900) (All)
HSPA+
Verizon: (850/900/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 14.4 Mbps
T-Mobile: (850/AWS/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
LTE
Verizon: (700/AWS/1800/2600)
T-Mobile: (700/AWS)
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I see some not so heartening details on Amazon/Play store. Updated my previous post. Will need a bit of research regarding the radio flashing as well as the LTE bands, but looks like T-Mobile and Amazon M8 may have trouble playing together.
AnDruid said:
I see some not so heartening details on Amazon/Play store. Updated my previous post. Will need a bit of research regarding the radio flashing as well as the LTE bands, but looks like T-Mobile and Amazon M8 may have trouble playing together.
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I just looked at the one Amazon is selling and it seems to me to be a Sprint version, although I don't know that the radios listed are actually correct since the Engadget article said all versions will support GSM/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900) and there's no mention of those on the Amazon product page. There's no mention of GSM or HSPA/HSPA+ at all so based on their data it wouldn't work with AT&T or T-Mobile.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Un...52509-3704704?ie=UTF8&n=2335752011&s=wireless
3G (800/1900 CDMA/EV-DO Rev. A frequencies)
LTE (1900 MHz)
ausch30 said:
I just looked at the one Amazon is selling and it seems to me to be a Sprint version, although I don't know that the radios listed are actually correct since the Engadget article said all versions will support GSM/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900) and there's no mention of those on the Amazon product page. There's no mention of GSM or HSPA/HSPA+ at all so based on their data it wouldn't work with AT&T or T-Mobile.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Un...52509-3704704?ie=UTF8&n=2335752011&s=wireless
3G (800/1900 CDMA/EV-DO Rev. A frequencies)
LTE (1900 MHz)
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Not sure, but maybe the data over there is not accurate? Even the Amazon M8 page for ATT version shows the same information.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Gunmetal-Grey/dp/B00IZ1VNZ2
This thread over on the M8 forum does not have much concrete info either:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2694630
The radio situation is indeed a veritable mess. I wonder if there are any real tech/cost challenges which limit the radio compatibility or is it just the carriers being evil. I assume a standard hardware chip across all devices will be easier and cheaper to put in, so it must be the evil carriers forcing HTC then.
I am somewhat banking on the fact that unlocked phones (the one on Amazon) are most likely to be GSM compatible. Must get in touch with Amazon customer care I suppose rather than ranting here.
The Anandtech review actually shows that the GPe version combines the best of AT&T and T-Mobile!
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review
It should work for both carriers.
It is instead missing WCDMA 900 so not optimal if you want to use it in Asia/Europe.
Elythor said:
The Anandtech review actually shows that the GPe version combines the best of AT&T and T-Mobile!
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review
It should work for both carriers.
It is instead missing WCDMA 900 so not optimal if you want to use it in Asia/Europe.
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I did see somewhere that the DE has AT&T radios and the GPE has T-Mobile but that really doesn't make a lot of sense. I trust Anand so I think they're probably the most accurate.
So to understand if I bought a tmobile version it work on at&t and verizons networks as well? I thought Verizon just had cdma phones not Gsm like tmobile and at&t
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xda23 said:
So to understand if I bought a tmobile version it work on at&t and verizons networks as well? I thought Verizon just had cdma phones not Gsm like tmobile and at&t
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No, T-mobile version will work for AT&T but not for Verizon.
What a ridiculous mess! Carriers shouldn't dictate what bands the phone comes in and they should all just be released in ONE model for GSM and all carriers get it.
I understand needing special models for Sprint and Verizon but for GSM its getting ridiculous.
Even the tmobile version doesn't show the 1700 frequency. Isn't that a requirement to be fully compatible with tmobile??
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The Amazon AT&T page updated to show following specs for network:
http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IZ1VNZ2
3G - WCDMA: Domestic 850/1900MHz with HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps; Roaming 2100 MHz -- 4G – LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900MHz; Roaming 1800/2600 MHz
Developer edition specs were also updated to show same specs.
http://smile.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Developer-Edition/dp/B00J3AYHOI/
The unlocked version (non developer shows Verizon like specs). Hope they are more accurate now.
EtherealRemnant said:
What a ridiculous mess! Carriers shouldn't dictate what bands the phone comes in and they should all just be released in ONE model for GSM and all carriers get it.
I understand needing special models for Sprint and Verizon but for GSM its getting ridiculous.
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Exactly can't understand what the morons at HTC are doing.
Anandtech has clarified the radio stuff in the first page of their review.
http://anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review
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busab said:
Even the tmobile version doesn't show the 1700 frequency. Isn't that a requirement to be fully compatible with tmobile??
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AWS = T-Mobile frequencies
AT&T, Unlock, and Dev versions will work on T-Mobile.
LTE = YES
HSPA+ = Depends if you area has LTE or HSPA converted from AWS to 1900
2G = YES
T-mobile version loses spectrum for LTE due to spectrum deals and HSPA+ spectrum support.
Qualcomm charges to license spectrum for their radio chips. Also it requires more hardware to support more frequencies. There has to be give and take, and would you pay $900 for the HTC One if it supported more frequencies?
Tidbits said:
AWS = T-Mobile frequencies
AT&T, Unlock, and Dev versions will work on T-Mobile.
LTE = YES
HSPA+ = Depends if you area has LTE or HSPA converted from AWS to 1900
2G = YES
T-mobile version loses spectrum for LTE due to spectrum deals and HSPA+ spectrum support.
Qualcomm charges to license spectrum for their radio chips. Also it requires more hardware to support more frequencies. There has to be give and take, and would you pay $900 for the HTC One if it supported more frequencies?
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Really? Apple has all the bands in one model. $350 Nexus 5 has all the necessary bands. So it is bull that it costs more, they just screw up every time. By the way I use the unlocked model and enjoying the M8 but no excuse for not having a single gsm model.
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kirdroid said:
Really? Apple has all the bands in one model. $350 Nexus 5 has all the necessary bands. So it is bull that it costs more, they just screw up every time. By the way I use the unlocked model and enjoying the M8 but no excuse for not having a single gsm model.
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Sorry I firmly believe Google subsidizes a bit of the cost for their phones. They are using the console model to generate revenue.
Apple devices have a premium cost compared to majority of the items out there and doesn't include how much they make from iTunes.
The T-Mobile version is cheaper than the other GSM models.
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Tidbits said:
Sorry I firmly believe Google subsidizes a bit of the cost for their phones. They are using the console model to generate revenue.
Apple devices have a premium cost compared to majority of the items out there and doesn't include how much they make from iTunes.
The T-Mobile version is cheaper than the other GSM models.
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Ok I will give you one more example...Sony unlocked devices in Sony store cost same as HTC One and they have all the necessary radios to work perfectly on r T-Mobile and AT&T. It's not that hard you know if you want to do a single gsm model.
And no Google is not subsidizing $500 or something, may be little bit they take a hit on profits from selling hardware but in no way they are fools to subsidize huge dollars. Like T-Mobile was selling Nexus 5 for $500 or something? Which might be the actual price.
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Hey Guys,
Just bought the Developer Edition on the HTC website and was wondering if this will work on Tmobile??
Thanks
I'm sure it will. It's unlocked so yea!
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henry1970 said:
Hey Guys,
Just bought the Developer Edition on the HTC website and was wondering if this will work on Tmobile??
Thanks
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I think it's missing the AWS frequencies...
henry1970 said:
Hey Guys,
Just bought the Developer Edition on the HTC website and was wondering if this will work on Tmobile??
Thanks
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Yes and No.
The HTC website quotes:
Networks: LTE Quad Band (Bands 17/4/2/5); LTE MIMO; GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850/900/1800/1900 Hz), Class 12; UMTS: Tri-band (UMTS 850/1900/2100MHz), HSPA+Category 14xx (HSDPA 21Mbps/ EDCH 5.7 Mbps)
Without AWS (1700) for UMTS...you would be limited to T-mobile's LTE area only (Band 4). You will not get 3G connections.
Elythor said:
Yes and No.
The HTC website quotes:
Networks: LTE Quad Band (Bands 17/4/2/5); LTE MIMO; GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850/900/1800/1900 Hz), Class 12; UMTS: Tri-band (UMTS 850/1900/2100MHz), HSPA+Category 14xx (HSDPA 21Mbps/ EDCH 5.7 Mbps)
Without AWS (1700) for UMTS...you would be limited to T-mobile's LTE area only (Band 4). You will not get 3G connections.
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Thats not true he will get 3g everywhere where tmobile has reframed their network which at thus point is almost everywhere
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what is the difference between unlocked version, gpe, and developer edition?
Unlocked - can use on any compatible network, locked bootloader, Sense 6.0
GPe - can use on any compatible network, locked bootloader, stock Android
Dev Edition - can use on any compatible network, unlocked bootloader, Sense 6.0
Elythor said:
Yes and No.
The HTC website quotes:
Networks: LTE Quad Band (Bands 17/4/2/5); LTE MIMO; GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850/900/1800/1900 Hz), Class 12; UMTS: Tri-band (UMTS 850/1900/2100MHz), HSPA+Category 14xx (HSDPA 21Mbps/ EDCH 5.7 Mbps)
Without AWS (1700) for UMTS...you would be limited to T-mobile's LTE area only (Band 4). You will not get 3G connections.
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dkotoric said:
Thats not true he will get 3g everywhere where tmobile has reframed their network which at thus point is almost everywhere
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This would be good news for me, but the HTC.com support person (would they be from Let's Talk, which seems to be the the HTC.com e-commerce provider) was saying that T-Mobile LTE is not supported for the Developer edition. I have been considering canceling that order and wait for T-Mobile version to come out, but would hate any bloatware etc.
I hope the HTC support lady was wrong. How can one confirm?
AnDruid said:
This would be good news for me, but the HTC.com support person (would they be from Let's Talk, which seems to be the the HTC.com e-commerce provider) was saying that T-Mobile LTE is not supported for the Developer edition. I have been considering canceling that order and wait for T-Mobile version to come out, but would hate any bloatware etc.
I hope the HTC support lady was wrong. How can one confirm?
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It is supported, the developer edition is nothing but a ATT SKU. It has all the radios except AWS for T-Mobile HSPA in non refarmed markets. See the first page of anandtech review which has the different models along with the radios.
http://anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review
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AnDruid said:
This would be good news for me, but the HTC.com support person (would they be from Let's Talk, which seems to be the the HTC.com e-commerce provider) was saying that T-Mobile LTE is not supported for the Developer edition. I have been considering canceling that order and wait for T-Mobile version to come out, but would hate any bloatware etc.
I hope the HTC support lady was wrong. How can one confirm?
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You can pretty much disable any bloatware I'm not sure why people are so against it when you could just disable it.
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shook187 said:
You can pretty much disable any bloatware I'm not sure why people are so against it when you could just disable it.
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Or root and uninstall. We are on XDA.
kirdroid said:
It is supported, the developer edition is nothing but a ATT SKU. It has all the radios except AWS for T-Mobile HSPA in non refarmed markets. See the first page of anandtech review which has the different models along with the radios.
http://anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review
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Thanks, The anandtech review is indeed quite comprehensive, quite impressed. I am convinced that the Dev Edition will work with T-Mobile HSPA+ at least as I am in one of the refarmed areas. Hope LTE will work fine as well though the experiences of people over on the M7 forums worries me. Even if LTE remains locked on T-Mobile, it would be great if a software/radio flash would work to enable T-mobile LTE on the Dev-edition, though I could not find a mention of anyone successfully doing that in M7 forums
AnDruid said:
Thanks, The anandtech review is indeed quite comprehensive, quite impressed. I am convinced that the Dev Edition will work with T-Mobile HSPA+ at least as I am in one of the refarmed areas. Hope LTE will work fine as well though the experiences of people over on the M7 forums worries me. Even if LTE remains locked on T-Mobile, it would be great if a software/radio flash would work to enable T-mobile LTE on the Dev-edition, though I could not find a mention of anyone successfully doing that in M7 forums
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Well if you are in a refarmed area then you will have hspa+ or 3G on the 1900 band. You don't have to flash anything to enable LTE since the dev edition has both tmobile and AT&T LTE bands. Only thing missing in the dev edition is the AWS 1700 for HSPA and since you are in refarmed area you will get HSPA on 1900.
Personally, I will wait for the tmobile version on 11th and as soon as we get S-Off I'm going to fully convert it to a dev edition. In that way I have the full tmobile radio as well as HTC sense minus carrier crap.
Would getting the google play version now be just as good as the t mobile radio, if not better because it has better resale-ability to AT&T users as well?
tolem said:
Would getting the google play version now be just as good as the t mobile radio, if not better because it has better resale-ability to AT&T users as well?
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Yep the Google play edition is the one with max hspa and LTE radios. Basically full compatibility with T-Mobile and ATT. ATT and Dev edition are same as Google play edition minus one band ( AWS 1700 HSPA band). T-Mobile edition has very less radio and not fully compatible with ATT LTE.
There should have only been one gsm model, that is the Google play edition model. Then they could put whatever ROM they want based on ATT, T-Mobile or stock android.
Morons at HTC just make life tough for us.
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kirdroid said:
Yep the Google play edition is the one with max hspa and LTE radios. Basically full compatibility with T-Mobile and ATT. ATT and Dev edition are same as Google play edition minus one band ( AWS 1700 HSPA band). T-Mobile edition has very less radio and not fully compatible with ATT LTE.
There should have only been one gsm model, that is the Google play edition model. Then they could put whatever ROM they want based on ATT, T-Mobile or stock android.
Morons at HTC just make life tough for us.
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I think the blame rests on the carriers, AT&T in particular as they wanted to discourage people moving to T-Mobile with the crippled hardware (or software, I hope it is this one). AnandTech page suggested as much: "As far as I can tell only the AT&T and Google Play Edition SKUs support carrier aggregation. The two SKUs are quite similar from a cellular standpoint, with the AT&T model locking out UMTS band 4 to discourage movement to T-Mobile."
I understand that Band 4 is AWS 1700MHz (like you mentioned).
HTC are probably not in a great bargaining position with the carriers because of its own financial situation. I think Apple has been able to override carrier requests because of its superior position and carriers not being able to remove iPhones from their roster.
BTW I think I am fine with getting the Dev edition from HTC as it is cheaper than GPE(and has no tax) and arrives sooner than the T-Mobile one, with potentially more resale value having AT&T bands.
Can u flash any carriers roms with the gpe?
Does anyone know if there is any difference frequency/band-wise between the dev and att versions?
jwsm said:
Does anyone know if there is any difference frequency/band-wise between the dev and att versions?
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Nope.. Same.
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us3rm3 said:
Can u flash any carriers roms with the gpe?
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Yes you can, at least with M7 it was possible. And once you get S-off you can fully convert one model to another including model Id, cid etc.
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AnDruid said:
I think the blame rests on the carriers, AT&T in particular as they wanted to discourage people moving to T-Mobile with the crippled hardware (or software, I hope it is this one). AnandTech page suggested as much: "As far as I can tell only the AT&T and Google Play Edition SKUs support carrier aggregation. The two SKUs are quite similar from a cellular standpoint, with the AT&T model locking out UMTS band 4 to discourage movement to T-Mobile."
I understand that Band 4 is AWS 1700MHz (like you mentioned).
HTC are probably not in a great bargaining position with the carriers because of its own financial situation. I think Apple has been able to override carrier requests because of its superior position and carriers not being able to remove iPhones from their roster.
BTW I think I am fine with getting the Dev edition from HTC as it is cheaper than GPE(and has no tax) and arrives sooner than the T-Mobile one, with potentially more resale value having AT&T bands.
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Yeah makes sense man. Forget the carrier versions which they don't have control. At least the Dev and unlocked editions should have been based on gpe model instead of the ATT. That was totally with HTC control, but may be financially just made sense for them to use ATT model. Whatever it is hopefully they fix this next year.
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AnDruid said:
Thanks, The anandtech review is indeed quite comprehensive, quite impressed. I am convinced that the Dev Edition will work with T-Mobile HSPA+ at least as I am in one of the refarmed areas. Hope LTE will work fine as well though the experiences of people over on the M7 forums worries me. Even if LTE remains locked on T-Mobile, it would be great if a software/radio flash would work to enable T-mobile LTE on the Dev-edition, though I could not find a mention of anyone successfully doing that in M7 forums
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Yes M8 Developer Edition supports T-Mobile HSPA (1900MHz) and LTE. The refarmed areas with LTE cover over 200 million users now according to T-Mobile. The M8 GPe includes AWS HSPA (1700MHz) for T-Mobile.
I'm using M8 Developer Edition on T-Mobile LTE right now with zero issues.
I'm VERY concerned about buying this phone now. T-Mobile have only listed LTE bands 4 & 17 on their site.
International
Quad Band GSM; LTE: 4, 17; UMTS: Band I (2100), Band II (1900), Band IV (1700/2100), Band V (850)
What in the eff?
Des just answererd this question on Twitter: https://twitter.com/askdes/status/581568102015569920
It has:
GSM - 850/900/1800/1900
UMTS - B1/B2/B4/B5
LTE - B2/B4/B12/B17 with CA + B3/B7 roaming
This is the perfect T-Mobile phone.
So the T-Mobile version does not have 1700, and is therefore identical to the other models? Do we know if it includes wifi-calling, or if we would be able to flash the T-Mobile ROM onto the unlocked dev version?
malakai1911 said:
Des just answererd this question on Twitter: https://twitter.com/askdes/status/581568102015569920
It has:
GSM - 850/900/1800/1900
UMTS - B1/B2/B4/B5
LTE - B2/B4/B12/B17 with CA + B3/B7 roaming
This is the perfect T-Mobile phone.
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But doesn't the AT&T, Unlocked, or Dev model include all of those bands and then some?
pongalong said:
So the T-Mobile version does not have 1700, and is therefore identical to the other models? Do we know if it includes wifi-calling, or if we would be able to flash the T-Mobile ROM onto the unlocked dev version?
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It does have 1700! That's Band 4, and for both LTE and HSPA.
The T-Mobile version also supports WiFi calling and texting. I have no idea if the T-Mobile firmware can be flashed to the unlocked version, but I don't see why it wouldn't be feasible.
ohiosux said:
But doesn't the AT&T, Unlocked, or Dev model include all of those bands and then some?
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T-Mobile (Des) confirmed: 2, 3, 4, 7, 12, and 17
AT&T lists: 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 17, and 29 (adds +5 and +29)
HTC Dev & Unlocked versions (per HTC on Twitter): 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 13, 17, 29, 30 (adds +5, +13, +29, +30)
Maybe the T-Mo phone supports more that could be unlocked, who knows. The extra bands aren't useful to me.
Sorry, but I just want to clarify.
Do all versions of this phone support BAND IV UMTS or not?
ohiosux said:
But doesn't the AT&T, Unlocked, or Dev model include all of those bands and then some?
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HTC has done this on the past couple of phones. Only the T-Mobile phone will do their specific bands (HSPA+). On past models I don't recall anyone getting the ATT/DEV models to work with those T-Mobile bands. I don't believe we ever found out why. Some speculated it was due to cost to license all the bands, or that it is actually different hardware. The M7 and M8 were both like that.
If you are on T-Mobile, I'd get the model specifically for them.
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HTC has done this on the past couple of phones. Only the T-Mobile phone will do their specific bands (HSPA+). On past models I don't recall anyone getting the ATT/DEV models to work with those T-Mobile bands. I don't believe we ever found out why. Some speculated it was due to cost to license all the bands, or that it is actually different hardware. The M7 and M8 were both like that.
If you are on T-Mobile, I'd get the model specifically for them.
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Oh yeah I remember my Dev version being like that. Fortunately, I live in an area that has been upgraded to mostly lte. This was actually beneficial for me and maybe others in the same situation because it actually saves battery life when the phone isn't constantly switching between edge, 3g/+, and lte. I'm sure many others have been in an area that's barely out of lte but still within h+ range and it's still slow as edge or even slower.
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Oh yeah I remember my Dev version being like that. Fortunately, I live in an area that has been upgraded to mostly lte. This was actually beneficial for me and maybe others in the same situation because it actually saves battery life when the phone isn't constantly switching between edge, 3g/+, and lte. I'm sure many others have been in an area that's barely out of lte but still within h+ range and it's still slow as edge or even slower.
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Yes, it is OK if you live in a major area that has lots of LTE. Here just north of LA, I get into the other bands pretty frequently.
I am not sure this was answered? Do all versions of the HTC one m 9 support band 4 UMTS? Many ATT carrier unlocked models are for sale and no one seems to know if they will pick up the UMTS 1700 band 4 on T- Mo?
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I am not sure this was answered? Do all versions of the HTC one m 9 support band 4 UMTS? Many ATT carrier unlocked models are for sale and no one seems to know if they will pick up the UMTS 1700 band 4 on T- Mo?
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The AT&T M9 I bought does.
maddie01 said:
I am not sure this was answered? Do all versions of the HTC one m 9 support band 4 UMTS? Many ATT carrier unlocked models are for sale and no one seems to know if they will pick up the UMTS 1700 band 4 on T- Mo?
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They will not pick up the T-Mobile specific bands, which use 1900/2100 for 41bps speed. They will work with the T-Mobile LTE band.
Wow, still a mystery. I have the AT&T SIM Unlocked One M9 and I have a TMobile prepaid SIM and get Edge, 3G, 4G, LTE Band 2,4,12...I cannot find an app that shows the actual WCDMA (4G) Bands ? But, it notates 42 MBPS when it says HSPA+ 4G using Network Signal Info-Pro App..and also shows 384 Kbps when it says 3G....
So, seems Des is correct unless the Network Signal Info Pro app is wrong?
I turned off everything except WCDMA, and this is what I get being reported by LTE Discovery. HSPA+ @ -113. I have a ATT unlocked M9. I do have the T-Mobile 2.11.531.19 firmware installed as well as the T-Mobile rom.
Using XDA to unleash the power of Android on my HTC One M9
Thanks but as I mentioned I cannot find an App that shows the WCDMA Bands to confirm. As you can see even LTE Discovery says N/A for DL and UL Freq...when on WCDMA...
The only App I can see that helps is Network Signal Info Pro...and unfortunately it is limited and shows me the below in my market;
HSPA+ 42.2 MBPS
HSDPA 7.2 MBPS
UMTS 386 KBPS
But, does not indicate which Band or Frequency ?
Anyone know of an App or Command that will show WCDMA Bands???
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Found much conflicting info on HSPA band support for the US unlocked/developer model.
htc.com says it supports 3G UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz. But is also says it supports 4G LTE: FDD: Bands 1,3,5,7,8,20,28, which is COMPLETELY wrong so i don't know if to trust htc.com.
Can anyone confirm the UMTS band support for this device? I am most interested in 900mhz UMTS because of trips to New Zealand where 900 mhz UMTS is often used.
Thanks!
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urushiol said:
Found much conflicting info on HSPA band support for the US unlocked/developer model.
htc.com says it supports 3G UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz. But is also says it supports 4G LTE: FDD: Bands 1,3,5,7,8,20,28, which is COMPLETELY wrong so i don't know if to trust htc.com.
Can anyone confirm the UMTS band support for this device? I am most interested in 900mhz UMTS because of trips to New Zealand where 900 mhz UMTS is often used.
Thanks!
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Really dont know about it, but as far as i know you can flash radio bands anyways, so look for it on the web or this site, i use dev with no prblems at all in mexico with LTE. =D
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Really dont know about it, but as far as i know you can flash radio bands anyways, so look for it on the web or this site, i use dev with no prblems at all in mexico with LTE. =D
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Is that really true?
I am looking into getting the HTC One M9 through AT&T but may switch to T-Mobile in the future.
As such I want a phone that fully supports both networks ...
I found a thread that it is supposedly possible to flash the AT&T phone to support developer ROMs but I can't find any information whether it is possible to also change band support. According to GSM Arena the AT&T version of the phone also supports LTE band 4 and 12 (needed for T-Mobile) but it doesn't support VoLTE on band 12, nor does it have 3G AWS (1700/2100), though of course there is a T-Mobile version of the phone WITH support for all of those.
Can I simply flash my phone so that I can (a) use CM13/AOSP roms and (b) so that the radio uses the proper AT&T or T-Mobile bands and tech?
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Is that really true?
I am looking into getting the HTC One M9 through AT&T but may switch to T-Mobile in the future.
As such I want a phone that fully supports both networks ...
I found a thread that it is supposedly possible to flash the AT&T phone to support developer ROMs but I can't find any information whether it is possible to also change band support. According to GSM Arena the AT&T version of the phone also supports LTE band 4 and 12 (needed for T-Mobile) but it doesn't support VoLTE on band 12, nor does it have 3G AWS (1700/2100), though of course there is a T-Mobile version of the phone WITH support for all of those.
Can I simply flash my phone so that I can (a) use CM13/AOSP roms and (b) so that the radio uses the proper AT&T or T-Mobile bands and tech?
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WELL I DONT BELIVE cm13/AOSP WOULD BE BEST OPTION I FLASHED DVEELOPER 2.11 AND OVER IT VIPERONE 3.5.0 (WWE BASE 2.10) ANS WORKS FINE, AFAIK.... TELCEL BANDS (MEXICO) ARE FULLY COMPATIBLE AND PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS ATT, ACTUALLY I FOLLOWED IN THE HTC M9 THREAD HOW TO CHANGE MY PHONE (ATT) TO DEVELOPER EVEN WHEN I HAVE TELCEL AND IT WORKED!!! =D YOU SHOULD HAVE NO ISSUE.
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WELL I DONT BELIVE cm13/AOSP WOULD BE BEST OPTION I FLASHED DVEELOPER 2.11 AND OVER IT VIPERONE 3.5.0 (WWE BASE 2.10) ANS WORKS FINE, AFAIK.... TELCEL BANDS (MEXICO) ARE FULLY COMPATIBLE AND PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS ATT, ACTUALLY I FOLLOWED IN THE HTC M9 THREAD HOW TO CHANGE MY PHONE (ATT) TO DEVELOPER EVEN WHEN I HAVE TELCEL AND IT WORKED!!! =D YOU SHOULD HAVE NO ISSUE.
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What I am asking is very different: AT&T and T-Mobile DO NOT use the same bands (e.g. AWS for T-Mobile) nor the same tech (VoLTE on band 12)
OHH I SEE SORRY, WELL WHATEVER, YOU CAN FLASH RADIO BANDS AS WELL AND SUPPORT OTHER CARRIERS, JUST read here... http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/recovery-flashable-radio-zip-t3122983
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What I am asking is very different: AT&T and T-Mobile DO NOT use the same bands (e.g. AWS for T-Mobile) nor the same tech (VoLTE on band 12)
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and also check it on here... https://www.androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=32827
andTab said:
What I am asking is very different: AT&T and T-Mobile DO NOT use the same bands (e.g. AWS for T-Mobile) nor the same tech (VoLTE on band 12)
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What I am asking is very different: AT&T and T-Mobile DO NOT use the same bands (e.g. AWS for T-Mobile) nor the same tech (VoLTE on band 12)
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All this info is about LTE bands. I am curious about HSPA/UMTS bands. I would like to know what it supports out of the box, not what I can with mods.
Thanks!
urushiol said:
All this info is about LTE bands. I am curious about HSPA/UMTS bands. I would like to know what it supports out of the box, not what I can with mods.
Thanks!
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http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_m9-6891.php
Google is your friend.
And in case you didn't notice: I was asking about AWS and VoLTE since LTE bands are the same.
urushiol said:
All this info is about LTE bands. I am curious about HSPA/UMTS bands. I would like to know what it supports out of the box, not what I can with mods.
Thanks!
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The T-mobile version of the M9 supports the most bands. The AT&T and Developer Edition are identical and are missing some bands needed for t-mobile LTE (Volte) support in some areas. Flashing different radios will not enable bands the phone does not have. Theirs more information in the T-mobile M9 forums
http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/how-to-change-network-bands-gsm-devices-t3135401
http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmo...-1-32-617-30-dev-edition-rom-tmobile-t3078315
andTab said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_m9-6891.php
Google is your friend.
And in case you didn't notice: I was asking about AWS and VoLTE since LTE bands are the same.
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Thanks for the reply. I have checked GSM arena, plus anything else I could find on google. I don't see a listing for the unlocked/developer edition on this page. I see EMEA, Verizon, ATT and T-mobile.
And yes, sorry, I didn't realized there was an AWS for HSPA, i was just thinking about band 4 LTE on ATT which I think is AWS.
clsA said:
The T-mobile version of the M9 supports the most bands. The AT&T and Developer Edition are identical and are missing some bands needed for t-mobile LTE (Volte) support in some areas. Flashing different radios will not enable bands the phone does not have. Theirs more information in the T-mobile M9 forums
http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/how-to-change-network-bands-gsm-devices-t3135401
http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmo...-1-32-617-30-dev-edition-rom-tmobile-t3078315
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Thank you.
That's what I figured.
Sadly that means I won't get this phone.
Bump. Hoping someone can find a straight answer have been on the phone twice with HTC, even they can't provide a straight answer. I ever addressed them on twitter. No luck. Thanks in advance.
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Found much conflicting info on HSPA band support for the US unlocked/developer model.
htc.com says it supports 3G UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz. But is also says it supports 4G LTE: FDD: Bands 1,3,5,7,8,20,28, which is COMPLETELY wrong so i don't know if to trust htc.com.
Can anyone confirm the UMTS band support for this device? I am most interested in 900mhz UMTS because of trips to New Zealand where 900 mhz UMTS is often used.
Thanks!
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It's pretty difficult to find out info on band support, and I have no idea why. It should be readily available...
Anyway, have a look at this: http://wireless.fcc.gov/hac_documents/150813/9135276_21.PDF
Based on that, there are four models sold in the U.S., which are:
0PJA100 (which appears to be the AT&T version)
0PJA120 (which appears to be the TMO USA version)
0PJA200 (which appears to be the Sprint version)
0PJA300 (which appears to be the Verizon version)
The AT&T model supports the following: UMTS 850MHz, 1900MHz and 2100MHz.
Now, that said, if you look on AT&T's site, they list their model as 0PJA110, so obviously either the FCC site is wrong or the AT&T site is wrong.
I happen to have the 0PJA110 model, which is also the Rogers model (so it would make sense that the AT&T version is 0PJA110 because Rogers and AT&T generally have the same devices, and their networks are generally the same frequencies). Based on HTC Canada's site, the Rogers model supports UMTS 850MHz, 1700MHz, 1900MHz and 2100MHz.
Now, for the assumption: From what I have read (but I haven't personally confirmed), the unlocked and developer models are the same as the AT&T model. If that is indeed the case, then you have your answer: No UMTS 900MHz support the unlocked and/or developer models (in fact, not UMTS support on any U.S. model).
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Anyway, have a look at this: http://wireless.fcc.gov/hac_documents/150813/9135276_21.PDF
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I know this is a delayed followup, but I wanted to say thanks for this. I finally got HTC to confirm that UMTS 850MHz, 1700MHz, 1900MHz and 2100MHz are the official specs for the US unlocked edition(which, oddly, is marked 0PJA110 on the back).
I am pushing them for a refund for false advertising. I was so concerned that these specs could be wrong before I purchased the phone, that I did a chat with HTC and they assured me the correct specs were UMTS 850MHz, 900MHz, 1700MHz, 1900MHz and 2100MHz. Once they confirmed these specs for me, I purchased the phone. Now they confirm they told me wrong. Very frustrating experience.
I am waiting to hear back about getting a refund. I am hoping the come through, this is crazy.
Will I lose any lte band support if I convert to tmobile?
Yes, flashing T-Mob US (I assume you mean US, since you are talking AT&T) firmware or RUU will change band support, and you will lose some LTE bands.
According to the specs on GSMarena, with the T-Mob firmware, you will have support for LTE bands 4 and 17; and will lose support for 2, 5, and 7.
What bands do you need, and what carrier are you using?
Tmo USA
What if I merely flash a tmobile based rom
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Tmo USA
What if I merely flash a tmobile based rom
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Just flashing the ROM, you won't change the band support.
But again, I'm curious what carrier you are actually using the phone on?
redpoint73 said:
Just flashing the ROM, you won't change the band support.
But again, I'm curious what carrier you are actually using the phone on?
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Tmobile USA
I installed insertcoin and used the tmobile setting hopefully it works
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Tmobile USA
I installed insertcoin and used the tmobile setting hopefully it works
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Should work fine.
Being on T-Mob US, and using AT&T radio baseband (part of the firmware that determines band support) should be fine for the most part. Reason I say this is:
1) ATT radio supports the same LTE bands as the T-Mob radio (4 and 17), and then some.
2) ATT radio is missing HSPA (3G) Band 4 (AWS). This used to be the band most widely used by T-Mob for 3G. But my understanding, is that they are well underway in migrating 3G service to 1900 MHz (Band 2) which is supported by the ATT radio.
3) The only "negative" to staying on the ATT radio, that I can see, is that if you happen to be in area where T-Mob is still using AWS for 3G , and you don't have LTE service in that area, either. In that instance, your data will drop down to EDGE (2G). I don't really have an idea of how widespread this situation may be; but I have a feeling its relatively small.
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Should work fine.
Being on T-Mob US, and using AT&T radio baseband (part of the firmware that determines band support) should be fine for the most part. Reason I say this is:
1) ATT radio supports the same LTE bands as the T-Mob radio (4 and 17), and then some.
2) ATT radio is missing HSPA (3G) Band 4 (AWS). This used to be the band most widely used by T-Mob for 3G. But my understanding, is that they are well underway in migrating 3G service to 1900 MHz (Band 2) which is supported by the ATT radio.
3) The only "negative" to staying on the ATT radio, that I can see, is that if you happen to be in area where T-Mob is still using AWS for 3G , and you don't have LTE service in that area, either. In that instance, your data will drop down to EDGE (2G). I don't really have an idea of how widespread this situation may be; but I have a feeling its relatively small.
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Yea thats why I got an unlocked ATT m8 instead of a tmobile one for the extra lte bands. I have yet to run into band 2 lte and all the aws hspa has been reused for lte. Luckily.