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How long do you think before the Note 2 gets/feels outdated?

Im sure this question doesnt really get thrown around alot considering the Note 2 is still a relatively new release. However, im curious to know how long before it starts to feel "outdated" just like the Galaxy S3. Im sure im not the only one who feels that way towards the S3 Int version. I mean one of the reason i switched to a Note 2 was because of the bigger screen and the extra 1GB Ram...feels like this could be future proof atleast for some time but thats also what i felt about the S3 when i first got it until they started releasing phones with 2gigs and full HD screens. What do you guys think?

When samsung releases note 3 I think.. and thats about 3rd to 4th quarter next year..
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And also not so many apps today optimize quad core processor.. and when that time comes note 2 is still running smoothly because what you are holding right now is not yet fully optimize.. wait until all developers optimize their apps and you will see the real note 2..
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I'd say when the Note 3 comes out or a worthy equal from a competitor
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Yeah but doesn't it put you off sometimes when your phone hasn't even been through half of its product cycle and already you start seeing leaks of its successor and then suddenly all the spot light is taken away from your current device. I'm proud of showing my friends how much better is the note 2 compared to his one x and the spot light helps.
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bushako said:
Yeah but doesn't it put you off sometimes when your phone hasn't even been through half of its product cycle and already you start seeing leaks of its successor and then suddenly all the spot light is taken away from your current device. I'm proud of showing my friends how much better is the note 2 compared to his one x and the spot light helps.
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It is just a device and it is all in your mind. Get over it.

I think its already outdated...
I keep trying to reassure myself by telling myself that the software support in xda is awesome...
I guess I will have to stick to this device a little longer...
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bushako said:
Yeah but doesn't it put you off sometimes when your phone hasn't even been through half of its product cycle and already you start seeing leaks of its successor and then suddenly all the spot light is taken away from your current device. I'm proud of showing my friends how much better is the note 2 compared to his one x and the spot light helps.
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I have both note 2 and one x as well as an s3, and the hox screen is by far the best amongst the 3 in terms of crispness in my opinion.
But back on topic haha, i think it is good that technology is moving so fast. Just means better stuff for us to upgrade to in a year. The note 2 is powerful enough to withstand the changes that will occur in the next 12 months at the very least.
Try not to look at it as being in the spotlight, because regardless of what samsung or anyone else bring, the note 2 is still so unique that it can stand on it own until something else of similar size and with a stylus comes along
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gpgalanis said:
It is just a device and it is all in your mind. Get over it.
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I wish it were true for everyone but fortunately not everyone thinks alike. I see it a bit more than just a device..It should be able to work as fluidly as it was when I first had it at least for the few years ahead, and keep up with newer apps that demand more hardware resources. I like to have the greatest and the latest or at least try, but that's me
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I think its already outdated...
I keep trying to reassure myself by telling myself that the software support in xda is awesome...
I guess I will have to stick to this device a little longer...
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Yupe I tell that to myself too from time to time...
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Now and for some time in the future, the specs of our devices should suffice. Get a new battery in a year, keep installing new updates and enjoy your awesome phone

bushako said:
Im sure this question doesnt really get thrown around alot considering the Note 2 is still a relatively new release. However, im curious to know how long before it starts to feel "outdated" just like the Galaxy S3. Im sure im not the only one who feels that way towards the S3 Int version. I mean one of the reason i switched to a Note 2 was because of the bigger screen and the extra 1GB Ram...feels like this could be future proof atleast for some time but thats also what i felt about the S3 when i first got it until they started releasing phones with 2gigs and full HD screens. What do you guys think?
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I've used the note (1) for almost a year and wouldn't have bought note 2 if it wasn't for my kid needing a new phone (my note 1). As I still feel the Note 1 is still in the game, especially when JB is released, I don't think I will feel my note 2 being outdated for atleast 2 years.
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I've used the note (1) for almost a year and wouldn't have bought note 2 if it wasn't for my kid needing a new phone (my note 1). As I still feel the Note 1 is still in the game, especially when JB is released, I don't think I will feel my note 2 being outdated for atleast 2 years.
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Hehe. In my case it was Mom who got my old HTC Desire. (She loves it.)
The Note 2 has just the right size for me and - compared to the Desire - more space than I'd even know what to do with, so my guess is I'll still be happy with it in 2 years. But who knows what they'll throw on the market in the near future...

When the s4 is released, my note 2 will probably become a secondary device.....depending on the actual specs released on the s4.
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Until Note 2 keeps getting updates and new features I'll be more than happy to be with it.
The moment ,say Key Lime Pie(unlikely) or a later version, is not released for us, the phone will feel outdated. Cause the quad core specs should hold up for a couple of years and all that is needed are constant updates giving way to new features.
Thats what i feel.

It will probably be awhile before we start seeing more cores utilized properly aside from games. There aren't that many heavy duty apps for mobiles. Even apps that take up a lot of ram don't need a lot of horse power. We need some distributed networking stuff and some real Photoshop and video/audio conversion apps to utilize the cores.
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It will probably be awhile before we start seeing more cores utilized properly aside from games. There aren't that many heavy duty apps for mobiles. Even apps that take up a lot of ram don't need a lot of horse power. We need some distributed networking stuff and some real Photoshop and video/audio conversion apps to utilize the cores.
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My thoughts exactly.

There are a few aspects which I consider when buying a phone, and for determining if a phone is outdated or not.
I'll give you my thoughts on when the Note II will be "outdated" - keep in mind this is relative and subject to your own opinion.
The Note II is a great device and in my opinion, it will still be great to use for the coming 2 years (which is standard contract length).
The following aspects are which I use to determine if a phone is outdated:
Battery
The Note II has a decent battery, 3100 mAh is very good for any phone. But the capacity is relative to the hardware of the phone; because of the screen size and quad-core CPU you cannot compare this 1:1 with, say, a 4 inch dual-core phone. The hardware of the Note II drains alot more battery capacity than a 4 inch dual-core phone would. Nonetheless, you can get 36-40 hours out of the battery, which still is better than most phones nowadays.
Screen
The screen of the Note II isn't it's strongest aspect. Sure, the 5.5" 1280x720 screen is nice, but what is important is the ppi (pixels per inch). The Note II has 267 ppi. In a few months there will be some phones with a 5" 1920x1080 screen, resulting in 443 ppi. This is alot better than the Note II. For now the Note II has a good screen, but it will be less attractive once the 5" 1920x1080 phones are released.
The screen won't be damaged by normal use, which is good.
CPU
An Exynos 4412 quad-core CPU at 1.6 GHz is a very good CPU. One of the best at the present moment. However, the coming Intel CPU's in Android phones will give it a run for it's money.
GPU
The Note II comes with a quad-core Mali-400MP GPU clocked at 400 MHz. This will provide the Note II with all the graphics processing power it needs and won't be surpassed soon. It's supposed to render as well as the PS3 and XBox 360. However, NVidia's Tegra 4 (not released yet) will be better.
Memory
2 GB RAM is very good, and any phone won't need more for quite a while.
Build quality
It might feel a little cheap, but it is quite strong and well-made. I am using it without a case (but with flip cover) and after about 2 months, it is still undamaged. This may vary between users but for me, it's a plus.
Development possibilities
The Note II is easy to root and there is active development going on. No downside here besides the fact that once rooted on stock ROM, you can no longer recieve OTA updates from Samsung.
Camera
The 8 MP camerica is ok. There are already better camera's in some other phones, but alot of the currently available phones have worse camera's.
Update likeliness
Samsung will surely keep the phone updated with the latest Android versions available. No worries about not being able to have the latest Android version on your phone - and if Samsung decides to stop updating, the active development community will probably provide you with a custom ROM of the latest version.
In conclusion: in the coming few months the Note II will be surpassed by other phones. However, it is a decent phone and can surely last you 2 years without losing much of it's power. So, yes, in terms of specifications, it will be outdated by the end of 2013. However, it will still be a great device and in terms of consumer satisfaction, it will not be outdated for atleast 2 years.

@rbiter said:
It will probably be awhile before we start seeing more cores utilized properly aside from games. There aren't that many heavy duty apps for mobiles. Even apps that take up a lot of ram don't need a lot of horse power. We need some distributed networking stuff and some real Photoshop and video/audio conversion apps to utilize the cores.
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Im curious though, since when was dual core never enough that they had the need to increase the number of cores. Not that im complaining but isnt the main issue with experiencing some sluggishness is due to the apps running in some sort of a virtual environment( forgive me if i use the wrong terms here)? I figured why not just increase the clock speed and improve the OS to be able to fully utilize what resources are available from the hardware to its maximum potential. The way i see it...hardware wise they have taken huge leaps where as software needs alot of catching up to do...and that gap is still ever increasing.

bushako said:
Im curious though, since when was dual core never enough that they had the need to increase the number of cores. Not that im complaining but isnt the main issue with experiencing some sluggishness is due to the apps running in some sort of a virtual environment( forgive me if i use the wrong terms here)? I figured why not just increase the clock speed and improve the OS to be able to fully utilize what resources are available from the hardware to its maximum potential. The way i see it...hardware wise they have taken huge leaps where as software needs alot of catching up to do...and that gap is still ever increasing.
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Same goes for x86 architecture. There are a lot more apps that use it, that really benefit from it too, but some of the lesser apps that utilize use it in a faux way that doesn't really benefit from it. A lot of it is education and engineering but the other part of it is storage is still the bottleneck. Ssd's are still kind of slow unless utilized in good raid array. The current Intel core CPU's can decimate all the bits thrown at it in most mainstream systems.
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I got a note 2 for myself and an S3 as a present to my mom (she didn't want the big size at all) for me the note 2 specs are top notch.
For CPU I think the exynos 4412 quad is the best second to that is probably the snap dragon s4 quad
Ram 2 gigs is pretty much the standard for smart phones now and don't think will change in quite some time.
screen is beautiful. Tbh when you look closely with note 2 and s3 side by side the s3 is better but that's because of the higher ppi
Don't forget the s pen is a huge selling point no other phone except the note 1, 2 has it. Especially with all the awesome Features of It.

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Same goes for x86 architecture. There are a lot more apps that use it, that really benefit from it too, but some of the lesser apps that utilize use it in a faux way that doesn't really benefit from it. A lot of it is education and engineering but the other part of it is storage is still the bottleneck. Ssd's are still kind of slow unless utilized in good raid array. The current Intel core CPU's can decimate all the bits thrown at it in most mainstream systems.
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So in other words unless there aren't many apps being developed that require more powerful processors and ram then there's really not that much to look forward to with the upcoming s4 performance wise other than an increase in display size, pixel density and perhaps battery life... I can't imagine how much more improvements can be done over the current performance of the note 2. This thing is literally by far the best phone experience since my last iphone device.
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your opinions on the SNAP model vs EXY model

Hello
I just want to collect your guys' opinions regarding the Snap and Exy version of SGS4.
(This is why I am posting this thread on AT&T, Sprint and T-mobile forums, to gather as much as possible)
Since I have partial Korean background, I do catch up with reviews made by Korean forums and their users. (all of them got Exy)
The main problem that was pointed out was overheating problem. Is there any Snap user who's experiencing this issue? (apparently, you have to run hardcore processes for more than a hour)
I heard that Sammy chose to supply 70% of their SGS 4 to the globe with Snap and the reason was that I actually found out the overheating problem later during their development and could not manage to implement all of their productions with Exy. (Despite the fact that different regions have different frequencies. But even so?)
This made me to think that SGS 4 did not receive enough attention that it deserved from Sammy this time. Look, let's be generous and understand that the design belongs to everyone's preferences. In the early half of this year, it's competitors released devices that were extraordinary, something that we couldn't see from them for long time (e.g. Xpe Z, htc ONE and Lumia 920).
And no, I am not a Samsung fan-boy since I used both iOS (iPhone 4) and Android (Xperia P, V) for almost equal amount of time. But honestly? I think Sammy is heading in the wrong way these days. The image I used to perceive from Sammy's flagship models until now was that they are massacring spec phones that heightens the standards of all android phones. And this time? well..., (only AP-wise I'm talking) I just think it's better version of htc ONE or Optimus G Pro (which has not been released yet). I didn't care about their design and UI, or them not respecting copy-rights and I seriously doubt that there's a single person who buys SGS series for the sole reason of its brilliant design or TouchWiz. I did not expect them to come up with concepts like "Designed for Humans" or "Life Companion" and did not even want them to. Yet, these days, I feel like Samsung is stepping down from its throne of the hardware kingdom. Why... why... and why do they divide their "flagship" into different AP models without any hesitation?
This became a concern for me recently because my dad had an opportunity to buy either the Snap or Exy model. And since the Snap offered to at price that was $200 cheaper than the Exy, he obviously bought the Snap. HE is a Korean, so he has this Samsung pride(?). Whenever he meets up with his family or friends, he tells them how good his SGS 4 is (exactly like the commercials). As a son, I don't find this annoying at all and I really do like seeing my old man being proud of his product. And if this phone was for me, I would be quite happy to use any of these two models. But because of the given situations, I sometimes get a feeling that Samsung is deceiving their old followers (even if they do not intend to) and makes me little uncomfortable.
I know the Snap model performed better in GPU tests but if Samsung decides to update their Exy model with a firmware that allows MP processing, I think the result are going to be dramatically changed. The gap between these two models are quite severe in their CPU tests.
Would they be ditching their Snap users just like this??? I am indeed quite worried. It has not been a year yet after the release of their highly-acclaimed SGS 3, so maybe, they should have delayed the launching date of SGS 4 to implement Exy in all their products.
I guess my grumbles got horribly long in this thread and as I am a person who makes a lot of mistakes, please feel free to correct me

reanew said:
Hello
I just want to collect your guys' opinions regarding the Snap and Exy version of SGS4.
(This is why I am posting this thread on AT&T, Sprint and T-mobile forums, to gather as much as possible)
Since I have partial Korean background, I do catch up with reviews made by Korean forums and their users. (all of them got Exy)
The main problem that was pointed out was overheating problem. Is there any Snap user who's experiencing this issue? (apparently, you have to run hardcore processes for more than a hour)
I heard that Sammy chose to supply 70% of their SGS 4 to the globe with Snap and the reason was that I actually found out the overheating problem later during their development and could not manage to implement all of their productions with Exy. (Despite the fact that different regions have different frequencies. But even so?)
This made me to think that SGS 4 did not receive enough attention that it deserved from Sammy this time. Look, let's be generous and understand that the design belongs to everyone's preferences. In the early half of this year, it's competitors released devices that were extraordinary, something that we couldn't see from them for long time (e.g. Xpe Z, htc ONE and Lumia 920).
And no, I am not a Samsung fan-boy since I used both iOS (iPhone 4) and Android (Xperia P, V) for almost equal amount of time. But honestly? I think Sammy is heading in the wrong way these days. The image I used to perceive from Sammy's flagship models until now was that they are massacring spec phones that heightens the standards of all android phones. And this time? well..., (only AP-wise I'm talking) I just think it's better version of htc ONE or Optimus G Pro (which has not been released yet). I didn't care about their design and UI, or them not respecting copy-rights and I seriously doubt that there's a single person who buys SGS series for the sole reason of its brilliant design or TouchWiz. I did not expect them to come up with concepts like "Designed for Humans" or "Life Companion" and did not even want them to. Yet, these days, I feel like Samsung is stepping down from its throne of the hardware kingdom. Why... why... and why do they divide their "flagship" into different AP models without any hesitation?
This became a concern for me recently because my dad had an opportunity to buy either the Snap or Exy model. And since the Snap offered to at price that was $200 cheaper than the Exy, he obviously bought the Snap. HE is a Korean, so he has this Samsung pride(?). Whenever he meets up with his family or friends, he tells them how good his SGS 4 is (exactly like the commercials). As a son, I don't find this annoying at all and I really do like seeing my old man being proud of his product. And if this phone was for me, I would be quite happy to use any of these two models. But because of the given situations, I sometimes get a feeling that Samsung is deceiving their old followers (even if they do not intend to) and makes me little uncomfortable.
I know the Snap model performed better in GPU tests but if Samsung decides to update their Exy model with a firmware that allows MP processing, I think the result are going to be dramatically changed. The gap between these two models are quite severe in their CPU tests.
Would they be ditching their Snap users just like this??? I am indeed quite worried. It has not been a year yet after the release of their highly-acclaimed SGS 3, so maybe, they should have delayed the launching date of SGS 4 to implement Exy in all their products.
I guess my grumbles got horribly long in this thread and as I am a person who makes a lot of mistakes, please feel free to correct me
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My taughts about the exynos 8 headed snake and the 4 headed snapdragon is that folks like myself in the USA once again got the stick up our arses. I once pridicted in the SGS3 thread that samsung would do exactly same as with sgs3 which was releaseing a dualcore in usa and quad core in the UK. And they advertise big gs3 quadcore to hype their sale pitch while putting the stick up costomers behind because obviously 90% people dont look at specs of their phone. Well once again its same,gs4 quad in usa while octacore UK. The whole excitement for me was the octacore and their new "big little idea" which was claim to save power consumption etc.
Anyway I own the gs4 snapdragon model now simply because I would have had to stick to 2G speed if I had gotten the exynos model due to lack of band support for network in USA.
The whole overheating thing is not new,the exynos sgs3 and the old snapdragon htc one I had own all over heated despite different cpu when playing games or doing heavy tasks. I also experience it with the gs4 but only while playing games. I must say that it looks like Samsung did spend more time tweaking the governor behavior because on light tasks while multy tasking the cpu dont just jump to the highest frequency as frequently as in their other phones as to consume power unnecessary. But all 4 cores goes online too quickly but at least they go offline fast. So theirs still stuff to be tuned that can dramatically improve cpu efficiency and function.plus wance we get some custom kernels to tweak the voltages of the cpu and gpu it should stop the overheating. Most times over heating is also caused by the cpu frequency ramping up to the highest speed and staying their too long. The snapdragon processor is very fast I must say. Havent had a slowdown since I bought the phone and for stock,battery life is verygood.I could go threw more than a day with medium to light tasks.
Also another thing that Samsung corrected was the oversaturatedness of the screen color which was awfull in the previous sgs3,the brightness of the screen have also improved while in the sunlight compare to the gs3 screen. Thankfully their was Andrelux that released his Perseus kernel in the gs3 section to combat that color problem and everything else I mentioned above plus more. Hopefully their will also be some good dev in the gs4 section to improve user experience. Overall I find the gs4 a decent upgrade weather it have the snapdragon or exynos since samsung corrected and improve upon most things and some that I may have forgot to mention.
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In the side by side tests I did, the i9500 beat the M919 in every area including the GPU, screen response, UI smoothness, HSPA+ data speeds, etc. As far as the heat is concerned I have read an equal amount of complaints on both forums.

I did this with the ONE X Tegra. Wanted the better processor and got what I wanted. Butt suffered because of the USA Bands.
I WANT the 8 core S4 but here it goes again///// USA bands. So i got the TMO version this time.
Overheating was not a huge deal for me. But it does get quite hot when I'm doing lots of tasks.
I say this alll the time. I want the manufacturers to put out 1 device and then a Chipset with all the bands for all the carriers world wide. Then tell the carriers that they need to suck it up and sell the phone as designed and NO re working it for each carrier. A TRUE world phone.
I feel; the features on a device should be limited by the software per carrier, not the hardware.

Well...the 8 core Exynos is really just 2 quad core processors that don't run simultaneously..so I don't really see the big deal. Also, Exynos development absolutely sucks.

According to Engadget the Exynos bests the Snapdragon in about the same amount of tests as the Snapdragon beats the Exynos. A surprising result of their tests shows that the Snapdragon beats the big.LITTLE architecture in a video playback duration test by about 20%
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skygear said:
I did this with the ONE X Tegra. Wanted the better processor and got what I wanted. Butt suffered because of the USA Bands.
I WANT the 8 core S4 but here it goes again///// USA bands. So i got the TMO version this time.
Overheating was not a huge deal for me. But it does get quite hot when I'm doing lots of tasks.
I say this alll the time. I want the manufacturers to put out 1 device and then a Chipset with all the bands for all the carriers world wide. Then tell the carriers that they need to suck it up and sell the phone as designed and NO re working it for each carrier. A TRUE world phone.
I feel; the features on a device should be limited by the software per carrier, not the hardware.
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Thats true,the Hardware should be manufacture as it was advertise and intended. Most people would purchase a smartphone or other device specifically from samsung and do not know anything about the hardware background specifications. Only that "yaayy I have the GS4". Also the carriers such as tmobile for example leaves out the CPU specifics in the list of hardware specs. So its a easy advantage to just slap just about anything in a phone and sell it for same price in the big usa. The dual core gs3 sold for same price as the UK quadcore gs3,infact it sold better in usa if I rember.
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Well...the 8 core Exynos is really just 2 quad core processors that don't run simultaneously..so I don't really see the big deal. Also, Exynos development absolutely sucks.
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You should readup here which explains more about the 8 Core exynos.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39172453
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mamba720027 said:
Thats true,the Hardware should be manufacture as it was advertise and intended. Most people would purchase a smartphone or other device specifically from samsung and do not know anything about the hardware background specifications. Only that "yaayy I have the GS4". Also the carriers such as tmobile for example leaves out the CPU specifics in the list of hardware specs. So its a easy advantage to just slap just about anything in a phone and sell it for same price in the big usa. The dual core gs3 sold for same price as the UK quadcore gs3,infact it sold better in usa if I rember.
You should readup here which explains more about the 8 Core exynos.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39172453
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Read up on the fact that it is currently not utilizing the 8 cores? Or the fact that if it does use the 8 cores it will not be optimized anyway so it will be basically worthless? Tell me what to read up on. Oh, it might make your benchmarks higher..sweet bro.

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Read up on the fact that it is currently not utilizing the 8 cores? Or the fact that if it does use the 8 cores it will not be optimized anyway so it will be basically worthless? Tell me what to read up on. Oh, it might make your benchmarks higher..sweet bro.
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Im not going into pointless arguments with you. You clearly have not looked at the linkd I refered you too because then you would not be asking all the useless questions youre asking me.
This is why their is always pointless arguments,simply because reading is not emphasize enough on XDA to educate people on the topic before they begin to criticise and pout senseless discussions.
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I personally have both and the i9500 runs laps around the M919. The M919 is laggy as a mofo, + the bloat (removable or not), + international will always see updates 1st. Once the Little.Big architecture is full understood it;s game over. We do have 8 cores and kernels are being worked on to enable all 8. The m919 will always have 1/2 that, period.

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I personally have both and the i9500 runs laps around the M919. The M919 is laggy as a mofo, + the bloat (removable or not), + international will always see updates 1st. Once the Little.Big architecture is full understood it;s game over. We do have 8 cores and kernels are being worked on to enable all 8. The m919 will always have 1/2 that, period.
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You sound like a broken record. I own the M919 running stock and I have yet to experience any lags you mention. For me this is not a competition as which phone is faster,true speed is important but its about the technology behind the makeing and how well it balance in terms of speed and battery. Especially battery performance ,which I think is the reason behind this so call big little architecture samsung have came up with. After all how big are they gonna keep makeing each generation of phones in order to squeeze in a bit more juice into a bigger size battery to run these so call faster more powerfull processors each time a new device comes out, thus the big little thing. If you think about it battery technology have not change since the crack of smartphones and maybe further back but the high demands for speedy more battery hungry chips are in demand each day as productivity increases.
Now I wish I had the octa core to see how it works if any improvement but sadly I dont. From my experience so far with the M919,its very fast cause all 4 core kicks in immediately wether its a small or big task(mean it waste battery),it gets warm to hot too quick while playing games (battery waste again) but the graphics are excellent. Theirs lots of room for improvement on the processor such as a custom kernel to undervolt and regulate the cores to work more efficiently. I randomly left my phone ideling for 24hours and few hours connected to wifi at home and I had a 15% battery drain with about 7mins of use. I had nothing syncing. I think that was good but also can improve with kernel tweaks wance available.
Take note the amount of info I have given you on one device. I didn't just blahh out "m919 is garbage because its slow and I9500 is the fastest **** on the block" unless people just wanna look at benchmarks daily and say "I feel so proud my phone is the fastest ****". It maybe faster yes but right now the software can only function as fast as it was optomize to be if you understand. And I dont know where you get your intell from to pridict product updates and kernel development,im sure their will be kernels and updates available as same with older phones. No one is left out of anything.
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My intel ? seriously bro ? International versions always get updates 1st because the carriers don't have to add all their crap. i have used both in real world environment and the M919 lags on the accuweather live wallpaper from the S3. It's not a comparison of benchmarks, m919 is laggy. You don't have to get all bent because I provided a factual analysis......

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My intel ? seriously bro ? International versions always get updates 1st because the carriers don't have to add all their crap. i have used both in real world environment and the M919 lags on the accuweather live wallpaper from the S3. It's not a comparison of benchmarks, m919 is laggy. You don't have to get all bent because I provided a factual analysis......
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True that if youre waiting on the carrier to release an update its a whole new story but if youre here on xda or aware of the community then you know thats not a problem.
Have you ever taught the Accuweather was optomize N design to run on the S3 flawless. I couldent evin find that wallpaper existance on the playstore.So its prob garbage cause theirs other accuweather live wallpaper available their that works fine.
Im currently running the "Ditalix live wallpaper" which was design for highend devices like the Galaxy S4 and GS3 to look beautiful and run flawless like silk and uses up the largest amount of memory I have ever seen for a wallpaper 256mb in the background,yet no lags. if you were to read the reviews for it on the playstore you would notice it indeed does not work on just any device. So if that can run so good on the M919 I dont see why a low rated Accuweather wallpaper for the old gs3 cannot unless like I said,it was specifically optomize for the gs3 device screen etc. Low fps + low resolution scenario. Anything will lag and look crappy with that case.
This is why prople are misleaded sometimes because a few people screwup and they wisper something is not good cause they had such a terrible experience when its not the device fault.
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Well when you actually have both in hand, your input will be more valuable. It's not just the live wallpaper from the G2 (that's actually where it originates) but simple menu actions, retuning to the home screen, etc. You can say all you want, but without proof from both sides if is YOU that is the broken record. Nobody said the M919 was a terrible experience either, I'm not bashing the device. This thread is for comparisons against the i9500 octa, to which I see significant differences. Are they monumental? No. Do they exist? Yes. For people where the price is close enough to have a choice, this may actually help them make a better, educated decision based of real world experience. I was in the market for either the M919 or i9500 and snagged the octa for the same price I would have paid for the T-Mobile version. I get no LTE in my area and the HSPA+ is plenty for me, so it was an easy choice. About the updates you seem to be missing key information, for carrier branded units the updates have to be leaked, tweaked, modified and ripped from other models 1st if you don't want to wait. International users will always see these 1st as they roll out from Samsung directly.

Another day, another ****-measuring contest...
They're both top-tier devices. There are only a handful of comparable handsets, and the only ones I can think of that're clearly more powerful are the (China-only) Medfield-core Lenovo K-series.
The Exynos will probably be the winner between i9500/i9505, WHEN/IF the driver issues are worked out, but till then the best device is whichever one's in your hand.

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Well when you actually have both in hand, your input will be more valuable. It's not just the live wallpaper from the G2 (that's actually where it originates) but simple menu actions, retuning to the home screen, etc. You can say all you want, but without proof from both sides if is YOU that is the broken record. Nobody said the M919 was a terrible experience either, I'm not bashing the device. This thread is for comparisons against the i9500 octa, to which I see significant differences. Are they monumental? No. Do they exist? Yes. For people where the price is close enough to have a choice, this may actually help them make a better, educated decision based of real world experience. I was in the market for either the M919 or i9500 and snagged the octa for the same price I would have paid for the T-Mobile version. I get no LTE in my area and the HSPA+ is plenty for me, so it was an easy choice. About the updates you seem to be missing key information, for carrier branded units the updates have to be leaked, tweaked, modified and ripped from other models 1st if you don't want to wait. International users will always see these 1st as they roll out from Samsung directly.
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Now you seem to be makeing more sense and posting a proper comment so people can actually make an intelligent decision. Unlike your first 2 posts.
Youre lucky to have good hsdpa+ in your area running I9500 cause when I had the international galaxy s3 tmobile had just made the transition over to support international bandwith for hsdpa+ and the speed and signal was terrible in my area. Had to use 2g speeds. Thats the reason I did not purchase the international model of the galaxy s4 this round,i dont care for lte,3G speed or 4G which I now have would do it for me. Im dont regret my purchase of the M919 cause so far my experience is good.
The only thing I could say to folks looking to buy in the USA and leaning towards the M919 is if possible stay away from tmobile and buy it non carrier branded from a reputable source if the price is right. Tmobile sells the phone at full price if you wanna avoid the monthly down payment but despite buying it at full price and already haveing a contract with them, they sell you it with a contract plus new number as part of the whole deal which is totally ridiculous. Then u have to go threw the idiotic process of canceling it wance u receive your device.
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Has anyone here switched to/tried extensively a Mega 6.3??

I am seriously thinking about downgrading (specs-wise) from my Note II to the Mega 6.3 simply for its screen size. 6.3" is just about the PERFECT display size I have ALWAYS wanted.
After 15 months with the OG Note and 5/6 with the Note II I planned to upgrade to a Note III in the fall but since it seems it will only have a 5.99" display and a 6.3" display *is* on the market, I can't stand to go for the worse choice. Especially since it is "almost a Note", I mean it has almost all of the hardware and software features which make Samsung top-end smartphones the ONLY smartphones I would buy today.
The biggest problem are not losing the S-Pen, losing AMOLED and losing 2 cores, the biggest problem is losing 512MB of RAM...
So, seeing as the Mega 6.3 is now available in Europe, I need to know from someone who has been using a Note II what's it like to switch to a Mega 6.3, especially in regard to the lesser RAM with heavy multitasking and to the display quality.
YouTube comparisons I have watched so far are pretty useless but I have some more to watch.
BTW, if you have come across some *good* and in-depth comparisons please point them out.
P.S. When a Galaxy Mega 6.3 forum on XDA??

The mega series is a midrange level phone. It's almost certainly going to choke under heavy multitasking. It's meant for people who aren't heavy users but just want a bigger screen for cpu light tasks like pictures, maps, reading, etc.
Ignore the screen size change and it's significantly worse than the note 2.
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I would also like to have a bigger screen than my Note II, but with Mega there is almost certainly too much to compromise.
I am looking forward for Sony's 6.44 inch device to be announced soon.

ChodTheWacko said:
The mega series is a midrange level phone. It's almost certainly going to choke under heavy multitasking.
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It will slow down for sure, *by how much* is the question...
Anyway, since I am not interested in games in the slightest, my main concern is not a slower or laggier phone (since the difference in anything but games is very likely going to be acceptable for me), is just apps switching and how many of them can it maintain active in the RAM with their inputted data and in the state I have left them...
It's meant for people who aren't heavy users but just want a bigger screen for cpu light tasks like pictures, maps, reading, etc.
Ignore the screen size change and it's significantly worse than the note 2.
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Well.. yeah, of course it's worse than the Note II in pretty much everything.. my whole point was that I just can't "ignore the screen size" and was trying to understand by how much exactly everything else is worse than the Note II...
If it's not too much I might be willing to compromise in order to get a PERFECT SIZE display.

just wait for the note 3....

hagba said:
I would also like to have a bigger screen than my Note II, but with Mega there is almost certainly too much to compromise.
I am looking forward for Sony's 6.44 inch device to be announced soon.
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Yeah there is the Huawei Ascend Mate at 6.1" too but this (and most likely the Sony as well) has a f*cking integrated battery so that's the biggest deal braker of all right there and I can't even be bothered to go over the rest of their specs... Useless junk.
The LG Optimus Pro would be an alternative worthy of consideration if its screen wasn't just 5.5". Too small an improvement in screen size to consider switching over from Samsung HW and SW (both of which I LOVE).

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just wait for the note 3....
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That's what I was/am doing but it seems more and more likely that it will have a 5.99" display... (and yeah, I would buy it in a heartbeat but would still be pissed at having to give up bigger displays which already exist today!).

xdapao3 said:
That's what I was/am doing but it seems more and more likely that it will have a 5.99" display... (and yeah, I would buy it in a heartbeat but would still be pissed at having to give up bigger displays which already exist today!).
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miss for like few months, big deal! You will be getting 1080p too.

FinancialWar said:
miss for like few months, big deal! You will be getting 1080p too.
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It's not just the wait, it's the fact that its display size (if it's confirmed at 5.99") will be SMALLER than SEVERAL competitors (one from Samsung itself!) which are much closer to or exactly my ideal size!!
P.S. I care much more about a perfect size than 1080p since we aren't talking low res displays in any case here, 720p for a 6.3" display is very much OK with me (not ideal, of course. 1080p would be ideal).

Follow up: the Mega is a no-go, I have reverted back to wait for the Note III.
The smaller RAM is too much of an handicap and the Mega sold in Europe is the 8GB/LTE variant and not the 16GB/3G. LTE is pretty much still useless over here and I would much rather have 16GB of internal storage (at a lower price to boot!)...
Plus, there are ton of original accessories already available (including all of the ones I always get for my smartphones) but the Brodit car dock (the ones I use) is not available for the Mega and IDK if and where it will be and the Samsung one is the only original accessory that is not available...

It'll eventually slow down as apps getting updates and requires more cpu and ram
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I have had the Mega 6.3 for about a week now. I have had the Note 2, as well as, S4. Here's my experience so far.
--Software is identical to the S4 (airview and all that good stuff)
--Very slim body compare to the Note 2
--Battery lasts surprising well (I'm a power user)
--The display is quite amazing. I wasn't expecting much, but I am truely impressed.
--Similar sound quality as the S4
--Have not noticed any lag at all. Very fluid.
I'm trying to think of negatives, but nothing is coming to mind except:
--No dedicated XDA forum
--No Root/CWM/ROM yet
--Looking for an extra battery or charger, but could not find on Amazon or anywhere.
--There are some batteries on eBay from China...but, not gonna gamble with those.
I'm running it on T-Mobile. I'm in refarmed 4G area. There's LTE available here as well, but can't pick it up
Overall, on paper spec-wise...might seem like an inferior phone. However, in really world experience, I'm truly and utterly impressed. Not going back to my Note 2 at all. it's a godsend for ebook readings and Youtube watching.

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I have had the Mega 6.3 for about a week now. I have had the Note 2, as well as, S4. Here's my experience so far.
--Software is identical to the S4 (airview and all that good stuff)
--Very slim body compare to the Note 2
--Battery lasts surprising well (I'm a power user)
--The display is quite amazing. I wasn't expecting much, but I am truely impressed.
--Similar sound quality as the S4
--Have not noticed any lag at all. Very fluid.
I'm trying to think of negatives, but nothing is coming to mind except:
--No dedicated XDA forum
--No Root/CWM/ROM yet
--Looking for an extra battery or charger, but could not find on Amazon or anywhere.
--There are some batteries on eBay from China...but, not gonna gamble with those.
I'm running it on T-Mobile. I'm in refarmed 4G area. There's LTE available here as well, but can't pick it up
Overall, on paper spec-wise...might seem like an inferior phone. However, in really world experience, I'm truly and utterly impressed. Not going back to my Note 2 at all. it's a godsend for ebook readings and Youtube watching.
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Many thanks for the reply but the only thing I was researching and could not find a clear answer for was how 1.5GB RAM impacts heavy multitasking as opposed to 2GB RAM..
As for the original accessories I don't know where you are based but over here ALL of the original Samsung accessories (various pouches, covers, cases, batteries, chargers, separate battery chargers, desktop dock ecc) are available (and pretty cheap too) minus the car dock.

xdapao3 said:
Yeah there is the Huawei Ascend Mate at 6.1" too but this (and most likely the Sony as well) has a f*cking integrated battery so that's the biggest deal braker of all right there
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This.
As for the RAM.. Has there ever been a point when you've checked and seen that your GN2 was using more than 1.5GB? If not, then you'll be fine. If so, then I'm sure managing your RAM a little better is worth if for the 'perfect screen size'

I have seen its review on youtube...its available ram is only 1.1 gb sumthing .. n most of the time note 2 consumes 1.1gb something ..so i think ram can cause you problem...
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Also its not what RAM you use currently, its what your useage demand will be in say 6mnths time. We all know that a phone that had enough when we bought it often feels crippled halfway through ownership as more & more demand is placed on it.
A new phone needs to have twice the RAM you currently need.
Note 3 screen is an 8% increase in size & that's plenty extra for me.

KCA. said:
This.
As for the RAM.. Has there ever been a point when you've checked and seen that your GN2 was using more than 1.5GB? If not, then you'll be fine. If so, then I'm sure managing your RAM a little better is worth if for the 'perfect screen size'
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Nope, unfortunately. As said, upon further research plus some empirical tests 1.5GB RAM is really too little RAM for me. I have to pass..

taran181 said:
I have seen its review on youtube...its available ram is only 1.1 gb sumthing .. n most of the time note 2 consumes 1.1gb something ..so i think ram can cause you problem...
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Yep, RAM size is one of the specs I care most, nowadays.
I am not a gamer and I don't terribly mind some small slowdown and lag here and there but available RAM and display size are THE things which really let you use your smartphone as a "pocket computer" so I am not willing to compromise on those as much as I may on some other things.

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Also its not what RAM you use currently, its what your useage demand will be in say 6mnths time. We all know that a phone that had enough when we bought it often feels crippled halfway through ownership as more & more demand is placed on it.
A new phone needs to have twice the RAM you currently need.
Note 3 screen is an 8% increase in size & that's plenty extra for me.
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I don't think that in 6 months I will be using double the RAM I am now doing the same things but I would surely appreciate 3 GB of RAM on the next Note!
An 8% increase in display size is definitely NOT what I am looking for in the next Note. I am, and have *always* been, looking forward to a 6.3"/6.5" display (depending on the bezel and aspect ratio, of course).
That's my ideal. Always have been (I was talking about those dimensions back when 4" seemed "huge" to most folks), always will be.
We will get there and people will get it, in the end. But these small steps are somewhat frustating (especially since a big part of the reasons for these baby steps is just people's dumbness).
I believe the "ultimate" screen sizes around which future smartphones will coalesce will be 5" and 6.3"/6.5".

My old note & my note2 both "disappeared" when not in use.. as in i forget its there .. i do alot of outdoor activity like cycling & i have the phone in my front Jean pocket, a 5.9" with small bezel will also be viable.
Its fairly clear that 6.3" is simply too big for that & Samsung do alot of research on this.
People will buy 6.3" phones but not in huge numbers like the 5.9 Note3.
Samsung know that huge numbers of people wont buy a phone they can't put in their jeans. I wonder how many people who want a 6.3" screen have made a dummy from wood ETC & tried it ... its BIG ..

How come so poorly in these benchmarks?

I wonder why the G3 doesn't score better in comparison in these tests? Even the G2 did better in some.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14...ess-outperform-competing-phones-in-benchmarks

Because of screen resolution.

Not entirely, its more about optimisation. iOS devices have always done well in Sunspider because OS and browser optimisation is by far the most important factor. The fact is the differences you see here are probably not even noticeable to the user anyway.
Also remember that the article was on Apple insider, the benchmarks are cherry picked to make the iPhone look good. Its also been reported that Safari is somewhat 'designed' to win at this benchmark.. if you get my meaning.
For what its worth my G3 did Sunspider in 726ms, not the 875 quoted in the article..

to be quite honest I was sad when I saw poor marks in an tu tu and geekbench, initially. but later I thought f*ck that. it gives me what I want- a gorgeous screen with smooth performance in heavy game like asphalt 8 and playing videos in 2k and 4k resolution with ac3 and dts sound with 21/22 hours battery on a single charge. so no worries about how much the synths performance goes in the south

slower RAM, throthling
G3 has slower RAM than G2. Looks like Lg sadly wanted to save some money.
And now G3 is crapping out in RAM extensive benchmarks!
I hear also G3 can overheat and throthle in benchmarks thus worse scores than G2.
Maybe some devels can bump up clocks on RAM, but I don't know about the heat. In my opinion G3 realy needs all aluminum case at those speeds to dispatch heat better. The heat is becoming a BIG PROBLEM in so fast smartphones.

xgman said:
I wonder why the G3 doesn't score better in comparison in these tests? Even the G2 did better in some.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14...ess-outperform-competing-phones-in-benchmarks
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Display causing it. Adreno 330 is not a powerful GPU for QHD displays. Yes there was some overheat problems but it solved, at least its %90 of overheating problem solved. RAM management is not a problem. RAM is good and works really nice it doesn't makes any lag or freezing crashing etc. Got 41K on benchmark at most. When i first benchmarked it was 31K and it was biggest disappointment of the year.

Its NOT the display resolution!!!! This has been covered over and over. The G3 under performs even in pure CPU benchmarks that dont even involve the display, its because of excessive thermal control. Tweak the CPU governor, disable as much of the thermal control as possible and it becomes much quicker.
For example my G3 out benches the N5 and G2 in Basemark X GPU tests if I force it to scale up. This murders battery life because the only way we have to force the issue is to force it. We need a custom kernel so we can set better CPU limits and get rid of LGs junk thermal control.

This is how my F460 (Prime) did with Sunspider. Higher end SOC & Adreno.

Once we get custom kernels and roms (if we ever), the scores, and even battery life will improve. LG G3 stock rom is so heavy compared to pure AOSP or even CM. We need some AOSP love. This device will fly...

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Once we get custom kernels and roms (if we ever), the scores, and even battery life will improve. LG G3 stock rom is so heavy compared to pure AOSP or even CM. We need some AOSP love. This device will fly...
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To be fair, the numbers you're getting on the G3 720p 3dmark test mentioned in the report are higher than that of the ipad air or the ipad retina according to 3dmark's own records.
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Display causing it. Adreno 330 is not a powerful GPU for QHD displays. Yes there was some overheat problems but it solved, at least its %90 of overheating problem solved. RAM management is not a problem. RAM is good and works really nice it doesn't makes any lag or freezing crashing etc. Got 41K on benchmark at most. When i first benchmarked it was 31K and it was biggest disappointment of the year.
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So your devices are outperforming Apple's best tablets despite them not being optimized for benchmarks due to throttling (thermal).

Cxpher said:
To be fair, the numbers you're getting on the G3 720p 3dmark test mentioned in the report are higher than that of the ipad air or the ipad retina according to 3dmark's own records.
So your devices are outperforming Apple's best tablets despite them not being optimized for benchmarks due to throttling (thermal).
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Yes. Thermal protecting is nice addition. But when device overheats it makes barely unusable. Cannot make calls due to heat on the top. And i think same Adreno 330 will perform really good performance on up to 1080P devices. But 1440 is overwhelming for it. They should wait and put Adreno 420+S805 APQ8084 which clocks 2.7 GHz (2675 actual). Maybe 420 will perform better on QHD displays.
I also had some issues with LG back in time. But honestly i didn't had any problem with phone except overheating. UI is ultra-smooth comparing to TouchWiz. As a 6 year user of Samsung Android phones it made me feel better. I had some worries before buying to phone due to old fails from LG. But my choice was giving it a try. Now i see how much i did good with buying it. Best phone ever for me. If the overheating stuff is going to solve one day i'd be love my phone more.

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Yes. Thermal protecting is nice addition. But when device overheats it makes barely unusable. Cannot make calls due to heat on the top. And i think same Adreno 330 will perform really good performance on up to 1080P devices. But 1440 is overwhelming for it. They should wait and put Adreno 420+S805 APQ8084 which clocks 2.7 GHz (2675 actual). Maybe 420 will perform better on QHD displays.
I also had some issues with LG back in time. But honestly i didn't had any problem with phone except overheating. UI is ultra-smooth comparing to TouchWiz. As a 6 year user of Samsung Android phones it made me feel better. I had some worries before buying to phone due to old fails from LG. But my choice was giving it a try. Now i see how much i did good with buying it. Best phone ever for me. If the overheating stuff is going to solve one day i'd be love my phone more.
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I'm using the LG G3 F460S (Cat 6 or 'Prime' as it's known to some) which has the Snap 805 and Adreno 420. No overheating issues here.

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I'm using the F460S which has the Snap 805 and Adreno 420.
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Other than LTE CAT 6 version, all of G3 versions have S801+A420. If i'm not wrong its same on T-Mobile, AT&T and International model (D855). I think yours is CAT 6 version whichone released after some months. In performance may a bit better with S805 but in GPU i cannot say such a verified info. Just thought maybe A420 can handle QHD screen. If even it cannot handle, that means devices aren't ready for QHD screens. It's like for example trying to make Watch Dogs work with GT740M. Full of freezing, overheating on card and even burning it. It's another reason for waiting AOSP based ROM. Honestly i want to taste Android L with its pure edition like on Nexus 5. But LG's original ROM's doesn't has that much bloatware and it made me happy and that's why i can wait for it. But sadly no one seems to successful on unlocking bootloader. In my prev. phone SGN3 i had to delete at least 100 apps whichones are useless. In LG i just deleted 3 apps from operators and providers.

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Other than LTE CAT 6 version, all of G3 versions have S801+A420. If i'm not wrong its same on T-Mobile, AT&T and International model (D855). I think yours is CAT 6 version whichone released after some months. In performance may a bit better with S805 but in GPU i cannot say such a verified info. Just thought maybe A420 can handle QHD screen. If even it cannot handle, that means devices aren't ready for QHD screens. It's like for example trying to make Watch Dogs work with GT740M. Full of freezing, overheating on card and even burning it. It's another reason for waiting AOSP based ROM. Honestly i want to taste Android L with its pure edition like on Nexus 5. But LG's original ROM's doesn't has that much bloatware and it made me happy and that's why i can wait for it. But sadly no one seems to successful on unlocking bootloader. In my prev. phone SGN3 i had to delete at least 100 apps whichones are useless. In LG i just deleted 3 apps from operators and providers.
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All versions pack the S801 with Adreno 330 (not 420).
Only the version I'm using has the S805 with Adreno 420.

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All versions pack the S801 with Adreno 330 (not 420).
Only the version I'm using has the S805 with Adreno 420.
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Oh lol sorry yes A330. Had mini confusion. S801+A330. The Korean version has CAT 6 and S805+A420. However phone is excellent without single doubt. Hope we can unlock the bootloader and can enjoy more with our phones.

bdogan1912 said:
Oh lol sorry yes A330. Had mini confusion. S801+A330. The Korean version has CAT 6 and S805+A420. However phone is excellent without single doubt. Hope we can unlock the bootloader and can enjoy more with our phones.
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Hope so too but it's looking to be unlikely.
This is the first phone I haven't rooted and flashed with a custom rom/kernel and I've owned many (listed below).
HTC Dream
Nexus 1
Galaxy S2
HTC One X
Xperia Z1
HTC Butterfly S
Nexus 5
That's because the stock rom is decent. Of course rooting is always on the cards because I can flash mods or even test mods that I make via CWM/TWRP and make nandroid backups.
Android L will make this device better!
ART runtime with 60 FPS UI and Project Volta can only make this far better. Regardless of whether it's a D855/F400 or F460S.
Problem with LG is timely updates. Imo, the least they could do is to let is unlock the bootloader to compensate.

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Hope so too but it's looking to be unlikely.
This is the first phone I haven't rooted and flashed with a custom rom/kernel and I've owned many (listed below).
HTC Dream
Nexus 1
Galaxy S2
HTC One X
Xperia Z1
HTC Butterfly S
Nexus 5
That's because the stock rom is decent. Of course rooting is always on the cards because I can flash mods or even test mods that I make via CWM/TWRP and make nandroid backups.
Android L will make this device better!
ART runtime with 60 FPS UI and Project Volta can only make this far better. Regardless of whether it's a D855/F400 or F460S.
Problem with LG is timely updates. Imo, the least they could do is to let is unlock the bootloader to compensate.
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Android L is one of exciting stuff that i want to see with ART runtime. Same problem on Samsung. In Turkey samsung devices never get any attention and softwares mostly buggy. I reported one of bugs and they banned me on their facebook page for reporting a critical system bug. Samsung is really loving its customers. Hope LG is not going to ungenerous on updates and send our updates on time. Honestly i have no hopes that we can see Android L before late 2015.

[Q] S4 mini I9195 Or moto G 4g (1st gen)

As the title says, im considering either of these, reason for 1st gent moto g is because i do not want a tablet phablet or a television in my pocket, which is also the reason im considering the S4 mini
Im located in denmark, i have no issues with installing customs ROMs, so touchjizz is of no issue here.
The S4 mini is about 100-200DKK more than the moto G, (20-30EU, if even that much)
Reasons I have for choosing the S4 are the following:
AMOLED display
Smaller dimensions
1.5GB ram
IR Blaster
NFC
And for the Moto G:
Water resistance
Slightly better PPI
Better brightness outdoors
Better ROM support (slightly)
Quad Core CPU (But lets be honest here, the 1.2GHz Quad core in the moto G is hardly any better than the Dual core 1.7 Krait in the S4 mini)
Not made of slipperly glossy fall out of hands material
So as you can see.. im just torn here, Im not even sure how much better the S4 mini performs with a custom rom compared to the ultra bloated touchjizz
Obviously i looked for reviews of them against each other, but every time they test both of them stock, and the S4 is severaly gimped by touchjizz i assume.
Halp!

I've just received my S4 Mini yesterday and I'm very happy with it so far. I think the S4 Mini if I remember right from reviews and in specs has a slightly better camera if that makes a difference to you . but the Moto G seems like a good phone.
I have yet to root or install a custom ROM due to warranty concerns for the short time being but I don't see match problems with the touchwiz interface so far. So when I do finally root and maybe install a custom ROM without the bloat which some of can be disabled on stock would run very smoothly indeed.
What GPU does the Moto G have?

Moto G 4G makes more sense. Yes I agree that moto falls behind s4 mini in RAW performance. But an optimised stock android UI yields better experience than buggy touchwiz.
Also Moto G 4G will get official android "M" from Moto. S4 Mini may/NOT get official Lollipop. Forget about "M".
I am not familiar with moto but s4 mini has superman devs live arco68 and F4k. So we do have solid custom rom base.
But being a 2013 device s4 mini becomes obselete more quickly.
Even I am having thoughts about new phone. My s4 mini worked splendidly over last 12 months, but recent "drops" resulted in heavy battery drain[hardware fault :crying:]
But here in India we get mostly dual sim phones which are a hell to work with [custom roms]. If I get galaxy S5 G900F for cheap I may buy that.
Otherwise I will wait and buy Moto G 3rd Gen :laugh:

Stock UI S4 Mini VS Moto G. Moto G wins. Custom ROM not sure...

It has the same GPU as the moto g, Adreno 305 IIRC
@THE rest of the replies; thank you for the replies, Im looking at both phones due to the custom rom support too, I do not care for stock at all (i wouldent run the moto g stock either)
Its too bad the moto G does not have nfc and IR blaster, im pretty sure NFC is going to be really good here in denmark soon.. (all bus/train terminals are going to support it for example)
The camera i guess both of them are fine to me
Its a tough choice.. the moto g is hyped quite a bit..
Oh, i forgot to mention, im on an S3 mini right now, which has pretty much the perfect size for me.

when I choose s4 mini there were many other good phones available. But the main reasons for selecting S4 mini were:
1. This is the lightest (only 108 gms.) and very small form factor android phone with such specs available( even till today also).
2.I did not like Touch wiz much, but as of today there are plenty of custom (specially Lollipop based) roms available for this device. And most of the roms are quite usable as daily drivers.
3.SUPER AMOLED!!! I used IPS LCD phones, but once you use S.AMOLED, i think it will be hard to go back.
4. For me phones should be light,small ( best size: Iphone 4) (i hate 5" bulks) and powerful.
on a side note, moto G is also a very good device.

Yep, I also think itll be hard to not have an AMOLED display, my s3 mini has one (PenTiLe though..)
NFC is going to be important i think
the IR blaster is nice.. but dont care much about it..
Only reason im considering the moto g is..
1: Water resistant
2; Higer PPI display, slightly more sharp screen
Both the s4 mini and moto g has a nice thin bezel (1st gen at least)
Both phones are about the same price, normally id go moto g, but seems the S4 mini has a nice community, which is rare, and not just one person making roms for it.
Anyone have any information on the S4 mini feelings towards rain?
And how much did CM11/Carbon help?
Thanks!

Anyone?
Kind of a deciding factor here haha

Axaion said:
Anyone?
Kind of a deciding factor here haha
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Did not get your question about rains!!!? And to me the best kitkat(4.4.4) Rom for my device (s4 mini duos)is PAC MAN KK. Still using it since last 3-4 months. very good rom.

about rain, i mean does a little rain water, if youre outside and it rains, will it mess it up?, or can it at least handle that?

Axaion said:
about rain, i mean does a little rain water, if youre outside and it rains, will it mess it up?, or can it at least handle that?
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Hahaha!....your question really made me laugh. Well, technically speaking this device is not water proof or water resistant. it has got open ports(like usb/charging, speakers,mic etc.) so if any of the electronics contacts with water........you know the answer. Besides even if we get an water resistant phone, we would never ever get some water on it deliberately. So, if water resistance is important to, you better get a SONY xperia z series( they are being advertised as mil-spec type water resistant upto a meter or so).

Moto g less ram is a killer if you're a heavy multitasker

Another option is s4 mini plus LTE. Model number is I9195I
It has 1.5gb ram and 64-bit sd 410 chipset. Problem is samsung
launched that "plus" version without much publicity or fanfare.
So not a lot of people know about its existence. So not much development
with that device. However it should give solid experience as
1.5gb ram + sd410 is much better than sd400 with 1gb ram.

Yeah, im getting the 4G version, not sure if the lotterly will give me the sd400 or 410 version though..
For rom support and community i hope the 400..
for performance 410

sasank360 said:
Another option is s4 mini plus LTE. Model number is I9195I
It has 1.5gb ram and 64-bit sd 410 chipset. Problem is samsung
launched that "plus" version without much publicity or fanfare.
So not a lot of people know about its existence. So not much development
with that device. However it should give solid experience as
1.5gb ram + sd410 is much better than sd400 with 1gb ram.
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yeah, would be nice if there was roms for the 9195I since it seems to be overall better.
Sadly im not willing to drop rom support for a 10% better phone though, even when it does have nice battery life (I need my xposed, and non-touchwiz UI, haha)
So ive narrowed down where to buy it, just a few quick questions before i pull the trigger.
Does NFC work with CM and Carbon? both Kitkat and Lollipop.
Same question for the IR Blaster and 4G
Would kinda suck to buy the phone based on those two and the 1.5GB ram and seeing that two of them dont work if they didnt
Im from denmark so i assume its the international version.
Thanks!