I wonder why the G3 doesn't score better in comparison in these tests? Even the G2 did better in some.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14...ess-outperform-competing-phones-in-benchmarks
Because of screen resolution.
Not entirely, its more about optimisation. iOS devices have always done well in Sunspider because OS and browser optimisation is by far the most important factor. The fact is the differences you see here are probably not even noticeable to the user anyway.
Also remember that the article was on Apple insider, the benchmarks are cherry picked to make the iPhone look good. Its also been reported that Safari is somewhat 'designed' to win at this benchmark.. if you get my meaning.
For what its worth my G3 did Sunspider in 726ms, not the 875 quoted in the article..
to be quite honest I was sad when I saw poor marks in an tu tu and geekbench, initially. but later I thought f*ck that. it gives me what I want- a gorgeous screen with smooth performance in heavy game like asphalt 8 and playing videos in 2k and 4k resolution with ac3 and dts sound with 21/22 hours battery on a single charge. so no worries about how much the synths performance goes in the south
slower RAM, throthling
G3 has slower RAM than G2. Looks like Lg sadly wanted to save some money.
And now G3 is crapping out in RAM extensive benchmarks!
I hear also G3 can overheat and throthle in benchmarks thus worse scores than G2.
Maybe some devels can bump up clocks on RAM, but I don't know about the heat. In my opinion G3 realy needs all aluminum case at those speeds to dispatch heat better. The heat is becoming a BIG PROBLEM in so fast smartphones.
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I wonder why the G3 doesn't score better in comparison in these tests? Even the G2 did better in some.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14...ess-outperform-competing-phones-in-benchmarks
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Display causing it. Adreno 330 is not a powerful GPU for QHD displays. Yes there was some overheat problems but it solved, at least its %90 of overheating problem solved. RAM management is not a problem. RAM is good and works really nice it doesn't makes any lag or freezing crashing etc. Got 41K on benchmark at most. When i first benchmarked it was 31K and it was biggest disappointment of the year.
Its NOT the display resolution!!!! This has been covered over and over. The G3 under performs even in pure CPU benchmarks that dont even involve the display, its because of excessive thermal control. Tweak the CPU governor, disable as much of the thermal control as possible and it becomes much quicker.
For example my G3 out benches the N5 and G2 in Basemark X GPU tests if I force it to scale up. This murders battery life because the only way we have to force the issue is to force it. We need a custom kernel so we can set better CPU limits and get rid of LGs junk thermal control.
This is how my F460 (Prime) did with Sunspider. Higher end SOC & Adreno.
Once we get custom kernels and roms (if we ever), the scores, and even battery life will improve. LG G3 stock rom is so heavy compared to pure AOSP or even CM. We need some AOSP love. This device will fly...
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Once we get custom kernels and roms (if we ever), the scores, and even battery life will improve. LG G3 stock rom is so heavy compared to pure AOSP or even CM. We need some AOSP love. This device will fly...
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To be fair, the numbers you're getting on the G3 720p 3dmark test mentioned in the report are higher than that of the ipad air or the ipad retina according to 3dmark's own records.
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Display causing it. Adreno 330 is not a powerful GPU for QHD displays. Yes there was some overheat problems but it solved, at least its %90 of overheating problem solved. RAM management is not a problem. RAM is good and works really nice it doesn't makes any lag or freezing crashing etc. Got 41K on benchmark at most. When i first benchmarked it was 31K and it was biggest disappointment of the year.
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So your devices are outperforming Apple's best tablets despite them not being optimized for benchmarks due to throttling (thermal).
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To be fair, the numbers you're getting on the G3 720p 3dmark test mentioned in the report are higher than that of the ipad air or the ipad retina according to 3dmark's own records.
So your devices are outperforming Apple's best tablets despite them not being optimized for benchmarks due to throttling (thermal).
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Yes. Thermal protecting is nice addition. But when device overheats it makes barely unusable. Cannot make calls due to heat on the top. And i think same Adreno 330 will perform really good performance on up to 1080P devices. But 1440 is overwhelming for it. They should wait and put Adreno 420+S805 APQ8084 which clocks 2.7 GHz (2675 actual). Maybe 420 will perform better on QHD displays.
I also had some issues with LG back in time. But honestly i didn't had any problem with phone except overheating. UI is ultra-smooth comparing to TouchWiz. As a 6 year user of Samsung Android phones it made me feel better. I had some worries before buying to phone due to old fails from LG. But my choice was giving it a try. Now i see how much i did good with buying it. Best phone ever for me. If the overheating stuff is going to solve one day i'd be love my phone more.
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Yes. Thermal protecting is nice addition. But when device overheats it makes barely unusable. Cannot make calls due to heat on the top. And i think same Adreno 330 will perform really good performance on up to 1080P devices. But 1440 is overwhelming for it. They should wait and put Adreno 420+S805 APQ8084 which clocks 2.7 GHz (2675 actual). Maybe 420 will perform better on QHD displays.
I also had some issues with LG back in time. But honestly i didn't had any problem with phone except overheating. UI is ultra-smooth comparing to TouchWiz. As a 6 year user of Samsung Android phones it made me feel better. I had some worries before buying to phone due to old fails from LG. But my choice was giving it a try. Now i see how much i did good with buying it. Best phone ever for me. If the overheating stuff is going to solve one day i'd be love my phone more.
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I'm using the LG G3 F460S (Cat 6 or 'Prime' as it's known to some) which has the Snap 805 and Adreno 420. No overheating issues here.
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I'm using the F460S which has the Snap 805 and Adreno 420.
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Other than LTE CAT 6 version, all of G3 versions have S801+A420. If i'm not wrong its same on T-Mobile, AT&T and International model (D855). I think yours is CAT 6 version whichone released after some months. In performance may a bit better with S805 but in GPU i cannot say such a verified info. Just thought maybe A420 can handle QHD screen. If even it cannot handle, that means devices aren't ready for QHD screens. It's like for example trying to make Watch Dogs work with GT740M. Full of freezing, overheating on card and even burning it. It's another reason for waiting AOSP based ROM. Honestly i want to taste Android L with its pure edition like on Nexus 5. But LG's original ROM's doesn't has that much bloatware and it made me happy and that's why i can wait for it. But sadly no one seems to successful on unlocking bootloader. In my prev. phone SGN3 i had to delete at least 100 apps whichones are useless. In LG i just deleted 3 apps from operators and providers.
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Other than LTE CAT 6 version, all of G3 versions have S801+A420. If i'm not wrong its same on T-Mobile, AT&T and International model (D855). I think yours is CAT 6 version whichone released after some months. In performance may a bit better with S805 but in GPU i cannot say such a verified info. Just thought maybe A420 can handle QHD screen. If even it cannot handle, that means devices aren't ready for QHD screens. It's like for example trying to make Watch Dogs work with GT740M. Full of freezing, overheating on card and even burning it. It's another reason for waiting AOSP based ROM. Honestly i want to taste Android L with its pure edition like on Nexus 5. But LG's original ROM's doesn't has that much bloatware and it made me happy and that's why i can wait for it. But sadly no one seems to successful on unlocking bootloader. In my prev. phone SGN3 i had to delete at least 100 apps whichones are useless. In LG i just deleted 3 apps from operators and providers.
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All versions pack the S801 with Adreno 330 (not 420).
Only the version I'm using has the S805 with Adreno 420.
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All versions pack the S801 with Adreno 330 (not 420).
Only the version I'm using has the S805 with Adreno 420.
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Oh lol sorry yes A330. Had mini confusion. S801+A330. The Korean version has CAT 6 and S805+A420. However phone is excellent without single doubt. Hope we can unlock the bootloader and can enjoy more with our phones.
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Oh lol sorry yes A330. Had mini confusion. S801+A330. The Korean version has CAT 6 and S805+A420. However phone is excellent without single doubt. Hope we can unlock the bootloader and can enjoy more with our phones.
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Hope so too but it's looking to be unlikely.
This is the first phone I haven't rooted and flashed with a custom rom/kernel and I've owned many (listed below).
HTC Dream
Nexus 1
Galaxy S2
HTC One X
Xperia Z1
HTC Butterfly S
Nexus 5
That's because the stock rom is decent. Of course rooting is always on the cards because I can flash mods or even test mods that I make via CWM/TWRP and make nandroid backups.
Android L will make this device better!
ART runtime with 60 FPS UI and Project Volta can only make this far better. Regardless of whether it's a D855/F400 or F460S.
Problem with LG is timely updates. Imo, the least they could do is to let is unlock the bootloader to compensate.
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Hope so too but it's looking to be unlikely.
This is the first phone I haven't rooted and flashed with a custom rom/kernel and I've owned many (listed below).
HTC Dream
Nexus 1
Galaxy S2
HTC One X
Xperia Z1
HTC Butterfly S
Nexus 5
That's because the stock rom is decent. Of course rooting is always on the cards because I can flash mods or even test mods that I make via CWM/TWRP and make nandroid backups.
Android L will make this device better!
ART runtime with 60 FPS UI and Project Volta can only make this far better. Regardless of whether it's a D855/F400 or F460S.
Problem with LG is timely updates. Imo, the least they could do is to let is unlock the bootloader to compensate.
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Android L is one of exciting stuff that i want to see with ART runtime. Same problem on Samsung. In Turkey samsung devices never get any attention and softwares mostly buggy. I reported one of bugs and they banned me on their facebook page for reporting a critical system bug. Samsung is really loving its customers. Hope LG is not going to ungenerous on updates and send our updates on time. Honestly i have no hopes that we can see Android L before late 2015.
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Hey All,
After drooling and patiently waiting since the start of the year, I finally have the oppurtunity to test out the One X during its launch here in Malaysia sometime last week. I didn't want to believe it at first, but there is definitely noticeable lag when playing around with the phone(scrolling through the home screens and playing RIP TIDE). Battery was full. It definitely feels slower than my HTC Sensation XE. This is kind of a deal breaker for me. There are some sites like techradar and pocketnow.com that acknowledges the lag and even androidforums which has a thread addressing the lag issues. ( I can't post the link here but you can google it and find it in the first few results )
To my understanding, the reason for the lag is that most apps aren't coded to utilise the 4cores. What is the point of buying a premium priced quadcore phone when all I'm getting in return is limitations? If I'm wrong please correct me, as I am very dissapointed and for now undecided whether to get the One X or not.
What are your thoughts?
Thanks all.
My phone seems really smooth to me, especially after changing the launcher to nova launcher.
Noticed the same thing. Quite strange considering everything looks more slimline compared to Sense 3.6 which runs flawless on the Sensation.
ckck_92 said:
Hey All,
After drooling and patiently waiting since the start of the year, I finally have the oppurtunity to test out the One X during its launch here in Malaysia sometime last week. I didn't want to believe it at first, but there is definitely noticeable lag when playing around with the phone(scrolling through the home screens and playing RIP TIDE). Battery was full. It definitely feels slower than my HTC Sensation XE. This is kind of a deal breaker for me. There are some sites like techradar and pocketnow.com that acknowledges the lag and even androidforums which has a thread addressing the lag issues. ( I can't post the link here but you can google it and find it in the first few results )
To my understanding, the reason for the lag is that most apps aren't coded to utilise the 4cores. What is the point of buying a premium priced quadcore phone when all I'm getting in return is limitations? If I'm wrong please correct me, as I am very dissapointed and for now undecided whether to get the One X or not.
What are your thoughts?
Thanks all.
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Well......I didn't use it, but I didn't really think it would lag in general usage and opening apps, scrolling, etc...browser lag seems to be software side as most of the early bugs are.
Yes, barely anything is coded for 4-cores besides a few benchmarks and certain Tegra Zone games. IMO the quad-core is more of a marketing push as being the first quad-core SoC etc....no real huge benefits. The low power companion core of Tegra 3 doesn't seem to do much either besides being used when screen is off or maybe playing a movie.
You can wait for the XL with S4 krait, which is a better chipset IMO all around in general. Newer architecture, newer cores, less heat, less energy, and performs better than Tegra 3 in some benchmarks while also losing in some, so they trade some blows. But Krait is generally the better SoC for everyday use and will be faster in general IMO.
It probably won't have the same dev support though as the One X, it's your choice on what you want.
I personally don't think Tegra 3 is that good of an SoC compared to Krait and what has even yet to come very soon. It probably performs the same as the Sensation when the extra 2 cores aren't being used because it's running 4 Cortex-A9 cores which are the same exact cores found in most of last years phones, just that theres 2 more haha
My opinion would be to get the XL or wait till other phones start dropping, then make a choice.
Well, even single core phone should be able to handle everything smoothly if its software is done good for it and it's pretty obvious that Htc One X has slightly unfinished software so it could been released early, before Samsung, LG, Huawei, etc... Software can be later optimised for the device with upcoming updates.
I think its more sense needs tweaking tbh, when you put nova launcher on which practically makes it very similar to to stock ICS its buttery smooth even going in and out app draw and scrolling widgets, my GN wasn't as smooth in that situation.
Yeah I agree. Coming from a SGS2 the HTC OneX does have lag issues when scrolling through homescreens, going in and out of app launcher and especially when going into the multitasking menu.
Though i feel like Sense is to blame here.
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browser lag is caused by HTC swipe 3 finger mode, disable for full speed browser
launcher lag is caused by two factors, performance scaling with battery level and android memfree/priority values, they are flowed in ICS and HTC didn't seem to have tweaked them
easy to fix if you have root using the supercharger, it prevents apps pilling up in the background and conflicting in priority
my single core 2 years old snapdargon 2 Desire HD runs Sense @ a brisk locked 60fps thanks to supercharger
there is also the matter of ultra smooth rosie (flattening the Sense launcher 3D widgets) but i don't think the GPU on Tegra3 will need this
so yes most likely supercharger, sorry to break it to you but apparently we still need to root with an HTC device
Hey everyone,
After three years using the legendary Xperia X10, it's finally given out on me and died. Is this a good upgrade over that? Where I live, it is possible to get the LG G2 and the HTC One M7 for around the same price, but I have my reservations about buying them because they're old models.
Should I get this phone, or go for something else?
inadequate said:
Hey everyone,
After three years using the legendary Xperia X10, it's finally given out on me and died. Is this a good upgrade over that? Where I live, it is possible to get the LG G2 and the HTC One M7 for around the same price, but I have my reservations about buying them because they're old models.
Should I get this phone, or go for something else?
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N3 Neo is definitely a big upgrade over Xperia X10 in all respects!
Now coming to ur point regarding the other two phones u mentioned.. I think among the 3 u should choose between N3 Neo & G2, now it depends on ur preferences which phone u do choose, both phones have their own advantages-
G2 over Neo:
- 1080p screen
- More powerful GPU if ure a hardcore gamer
- Handy size
- IPS display
- Great dev support
Neo over G2:
- Bigger screen if u like the extra real estate
- Note features & S-Pen
- No overheating issues
- Samsung has much better service support
- Better battery life
- Super Amoled screen
- Expandable storage & removable battery
Ure from Trivandrum so I don't think both the phones have nearly the same cost.. in fact G2 is much costlier!
Flipkart prices - 27.5K for Note 3 Neo & G2 (32gb) for 36K
buy wisely!
I never like phone with sealed battery (Though I am having iPhone, which was a wish to have always).
peRFect! said:
N3 Neo is definitely a big upgrade over Xperia X10 in all respects!
Now coming to ur point regarding the other two phones u mentioned.. I think among the 3 u should choose between N3 Neo & G2, now it depends on ur preferences which phone u do choose, both phones have their own advantages-
G2 over Neo:
- 1080p screen
- More powerful GPU if ure a hardcore gamer
- Handy size
- IPS display
- Great dev support
Neo over G2:
- Bigger screen if u like the extra real estate
- Note features & S-Pen
- No overheating issues
- Samsung has much better service support
- Better battery life
- Super Amoled screen
- Expandable storage & removable battery
Ure from Trivandrum so I don't think both the phones have nearly the same cost.. in fact G2 is much costlier!
Flipkart prices - 27.5K for Note 3 Neo & G2 (32gb) for 36K
buy wisely!
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Thanks man. Actually, the prices of both phones are nearly the same, if you know dealers. The main problem with the Note 3 Neo seems to be the lack of developer support. Coming from the X10 (which had a HUGE developer base), the support on this forum seems to be lacking.
Is there a 4.4 update for the Neo?
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Thanks man. Actually, the prices of both phones are nearly the same, if you know dealers. The main problem with the Note 3 Neo seems to be the lack of developer support. Coming from the X10 (which had a HUGE developer base), the support on this forum seems to be lacking.
Is there a 4.4 update for the Neo?
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Yeah.. local dealers may give u better deals.
If ure a flashaholic then this phone is not for u (atleast for now).
I used to be a flashaholic having the S2 which still has excellent dev support, but since I've bought this phone, my desire to root & modify have vanished.. the phone has exceptional battery life, smooth performance & a lot of neat features which I love. I don't plan to use aosp & cm roms cos this phone is a note & the S-Pen defines it!
Nowadays we get most of the new cool features through Xposed so no point about stock based custom roms.. but yeah it's about personal preference!
The KitKat update is due and we have still not recd it (u know sammy is slow with updates).. we'll get it shortly I guess..
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Thanks man. Actually, the prices of both phones are nearly the same, if you know dealers. The main problem with the Note 3 Neo seems to be the lack of developer support. Coming from the X10 (which had a HUGE developer base), the support on this forum seems to be lacking.
Is there a 4.4 update for the Neo?
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Kitkat update is only avaialbe for korean variant of Note 3 neo at the moment . Rest should be updated I think .
If dev support is what you're looking for , DO NOT buy an exynos phone and esp. this one as it's not quite popular like the rest
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Yeah.. local dealers may give u better deals.
If ure a flashaholic then this phone is not for u (atleast for now).
I used to be a flashaholic having the S2 which still has excellent dev support, but since I've bought this phone, my desire to root & modify have vanished.. the phone has exceptional battery life, smooth performance & a lot of neat features which I love. I don't plan to use aosp & cm roms cos this phone is a note & the S-Pen defines it!
Nowadays we get most of the new cool features through Xposed so no point about stock based custom roms.. but yeah it's about personal preference!
The KitKat update is due and we have still not recd it (u know sammy is slow with updates).. we'll get it shortly I guess..
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What do you mean by this Xposed? What is it exactly? And as for flashing and developer support, I'm not too keen on those. The only reason I turned to the forums was because my old X10 had started to lag. I suppose the only reason I'll need to root this phone would be to remove some of the trashy apps made by Samsung that nobody uses, like S Voice and the like.
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What do you mean by this Xposed? What is it exactly? And as for flashing and developer support, I'm not too keen on those. The only reason I turned to the forums was because my old X10 had started to lag. I suppose the only reason I'll need to root this phone would be to remove some of the trashy apps made by Samsung that nobody uses, like S Voice and the like.
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Yes I know, the amount of bloat Samsung dumps into the phone is painful, but u can disable most of it & completely remove it after rooting so that's the good part.
okay, now about Xposed, search for "Xposed framework" on google & visit addictivetips site which explains everything about Xposed. It's one of the greatest android root apps.
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Yes I know, the amount of bloat Samsung dumps into the phone is painful, but u can disable most of it & completely remove it after rooting so that's the good part.
okay, now about Xposed, search for "Xposed framework" on google & visit addictivetips site which explains everything about Xposed. It's one of the greatest android root apps.
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Has anyone managed to root this phone yet? I thought you were having difficulty with that.
inadequate said:
Has anyone managed to root this phone yet? I thought you were having difficulty with that.
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Many many users have. I don't know about the difficulties cos I still haven't rooted my phone, if u have any issues, members are here to help u!
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Many many users have. I don't know about the difficulties cos I still haven't rooted my phone, if u have any issues, members are here to help u!
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Really? There's only one thread about rooting here on these forums, and those guys had problems rooting it. That's why I said so.
inadequate said:
Really? There's only one thread about rooting here on these forums, and those guys had problems rooting it. That's why I said so.
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U can use CF auto root for N750, my neo bro @sgatechwork used it & completely modded his phone after that.
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U can use CF auto root for N750, my neo bro @sgatechwork used it & completely modded his phone after that.
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Regarding the S Pen and it's uses, does this have all the functionality of the bigger Note 3, or have they been stripped down somewhat as well?
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Regarding the S Pen and it's uses, does this have all the functionality of the bigger Note 3, or have they been stripped down somewhat as well?
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you get all the S-Pen features of the bigger brother in the neo, the features that have been stripped down are display (720p), RAM (2gb), processor (well, can't really call it less powerful), some other small things are display profiles, air gestures, camera but nothing as such which is a deal breaker. If u want the full Note 3 software suite experience at a much cheaper price, this phone is the one for u!
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you get all the S-Pen features of the bigger brother in the neo, the features that have been stripped down are display (720p), RAM (2gb), processor (well, can't really call it less powerful), some other small things are display profiles, air gestures, camera but nothing as such which is a deal breaker. If u want the full Note 3 software suite experience at a much cheaper price, this phone is the one for u!
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Yeah, I know the specs of the model . I wouldn't call the 720p display a letdown. Let's face it, in India, using a 1080p screen is quite hard, especially if you're unemployed and a student. And with this year's iteration of the Note, it'll be even more difficult to use it. Who the hell watches 2K videos anyway? Not to mention, unless the GPU in the next Note is the Adreno 420, it'll be underpowered like the G3. Seriously, manufacturers have gone completely retarded this year.
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Yeah, I know the specs of the model . I wouldn't call the 720p display a letdown. Let's face it, in India, using a 1080p screen is quite hard, especially if you're unemployed and a student. And with this year's iteration of the Note, it'll be even more difficult to use it. Who the hell watches 2K videos anyway? Not to mention, unless the GPU in the next Note is the Adreno 420, it'll be underpowered like the G3. Seriously, manufacturers have gone completely retarded this year.
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That's so true.. TBH I find the display really good (better than S4 in terms of colour reproduction), my previous daily driver was the GS2 which has a 217 ppi screen, so 267 ppi is a major jump!
I don't believe in the crazy spec jump we have with every iteration. I found FHD itself to be a stretch, but 2K is as of now useless.
I'm really happy with my phone, always had a dream to own a Note series device (they were always out of budget, I too am a student).. just a rare stutter is visible but the features completely outweighs that rare moment.
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That's so true.. TBH I find the display really good (better than S4 in terms of colour reproduction), my previous daily driver was the GS2 which has a 217 ppi screen, so 267 ppi is a major jump!
I don't believe in the crazy spec jump we have with every iteration. I found FHD itself to be a stretch, but 2K is as of now useless.
I'm really happy with my phone, always had a dream to own a Note series device (they were always out of budget, I too am a student).. just a rare stutter is visible but the features completely outweighs that rare moment.
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Even worse is the fact that the manufacturers apparently think that the S400 with cortex A7 cores is somehow better than the dual core Krait or the dual core A15 configuration. It's a big step back in terms of raw processing power. That's the only reason why I thought of this device. All the others have stupid S400 cores, including the HTC One mini 2 and the Galaxy S5 Mini (which are likely to priced above this one).
As for the display, my older phone was the X10, which had around 240ppi. I'm sure the 720p display will be a big boost
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Even worse is the fact that the manufacturers apparently think that the S400 with cortex A7 cores is somehow better than the dual core Krait or the dual core A15 configuration. It's a big step back in terms of raw processing power. That's the only reason why I thought of this device. All the others have stupid S400 cores, including the HTC One mini 2 and the Galaxy S5 Mini (which are likely to priced above this one).
As for the display, my older phone was the X10, which had around 240ppi. I'm sure the 720p display will be a big boost
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The hexa core configuration in this phone is excellent, no overheating (which is common with other exynos phones) and consistent performance. Seriously, I still don't know why the manufacturers don't use Cortex A15 dual cores, they are quite powerful. The minis nowadays are plain stupid, half the customers don't even know how they are being fooled, they just see the "Quad core" monicker and blindly buy much costlier phones. Just look at that phone G Pro lite, I mean seriously, 25K for that thing? ?
720p is fine, text too is quite sharp.
peRFect! said:
The hexa core configuration in this phone is excellent, no overheating (which is common with other exynos phones) and consistent performance. Seriously, I still don't know why the manufacturers don't use Cortex A15 dual cores, they are quite powerful. The minis nowadays are plain stupid, half the customers don't even know how they are being fooled, they just see the "Quad core" monicker and blindly buy much costlier phones. Just look at that phone G Pro lite, I mean seriously, 25K for that thing? ��
720p is fine, text too is quite sharp.
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There's one thing that confuses me. Which model of this phone has the Exynos 5 chip? I'm getting really confused, because I read somewhere that one version of this phone has an S400 junk chip, while the other one has the Exynos 5 Hexa chip.
inadequate said:
There's one thing that confuses me. Which model of this phone has the Exynos 5 chip? I'm getting really confused, because I read somewhere that one version of this phone has an S400 junk chip, while the other one has the Exynos 5 Hexa chip.
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SM-N7502 Dual sim got the "junk" s400 chipset.
SM-N750 and 7505 got the Exynos 5260 hexacore chipset
I just want verification, but it seems that when scrolling through Facebook the screen lags. I noticed it with curtain websites as well. Is this more of a web site problem then the phone? Because every phone I've had lags like that.
I cannot explain this, but G3 (and every android phone) when loading anything from web in the background- makes lags when scrolling. IOS always make highest priority for UI but not android. They've been trying to 'fix' it since HTC HD2 (my first phone with android) and the answer was always 'need better hardware'- even g3 hardware is miles ahead than Iphone. Probably will take another 10 years for Google to understand that smoothest of UI is more important than anything else. This is why iPhone users won't go for android.
I've noticed this since my first quad core phone and thought with more cores phones get less lag...I was wrong. It seems that individual applications aren't as optimized for fluidity as the actual Android platform. I hope this is addressed in Androids future because our phones are so powerful these days yet apps still stutter when scrolling which is a nuisance to device use.
Try opening the Facebook app --->App Settings--->Video Auto Play--->Off
Helped smooth scrolling for me.
Perhaps Android L with the 60fps thingy may address this issue..
Thanks guys!
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I cannot explain this, but G3 (and every android phone) when loading anything from web in the background- makes lags when scrolling. IOS always make highest priority for UI but not android. They've been trying to 'fix' it since HTC HD2 (my first phone with android) and the answer was always 'need better hardware'- even g3 hardware is miles ahead than Iphone. Probably will take another 10 years for Google to understand that smoothest of UI is more important than anything else. This is why iPhone users won't go for android.
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prfraczek well personally i think your pretty much talking out your arse!
'if you had a HD2 you would have known it was winmo 6.5- as for facebook the app is crap though the browser works way better for viewing facebook.
As far as browsers go Chrome has gone from good and efficient to sub standard in my opinion?
Try dolphin browser, some of the lag issues you talk of are most likely due to html5 comparability issues found that java being removed had a big impact on browser experience.
Check this http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-hd2. And yes hd2 was running winmo6.5 but few months after i could port android on it. You are saying the Facebook app is crap. What about tapatalk and others? Every single is crap? But every one keeps lagging when scrolling. Chrome is fine because it load all pictures after you stop scrolling. As I say when something happening in backgroud then phone lags. Sorry. I need android due to my work otherwise... Won't troll....here.
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I've noticed this since my first quad core phone and thought with more cores phones get less lag...I was wrong. It seems that individual applications aren't as optimized for fluidity as the actual Android platform. I hope this is addressed in Androids future because our phones are so powerful these days yet apps still stutter when scrolling which is a nuisance to device use.
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prfraczek said:
I cannot explain this, but G3 (and every android phone) when loading anything from web in the background- makes lags when scrolling. IOS always make highest priority for UI but not android. They've been trying to 'fix' it since HTC HD2 (my first phone with android) and the answer was always 'need better hardware'- even g3 hardware is miles ahead than Iphone. Probably will take another 10 years for Google to understand that smoothest of UI is more important than anything else. This is why iPhone users won't go for android.
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There is no excuse for any lag whatsoever with the powerful hardware we have in these phones lately.
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There is no excuse for any lag whatsoever with the powerful hardware we have in these phones lately.
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There is an excuse for the lag. Its the 801 not being powerful enough to render the large amount of pixels required for the QHD screen.
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There is an excuse for the lag. Its the 801 not being powerful enough to render the large amount of pixels required for the QHD screen.
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But this is too heavy for 805 as well. I used to use G2 and this was to complicated for HD screen as well. And assume this is too complicated for every android phone (Galaxy S2 my girlfriend as well). Just somehow work smooth-less on every single iPhone with very slow processor 1gb of ram etc.
It could be dalvik hitting the limits. I dunno, I have nexus 7 2013 and it's very smooth on Web browsing.
Also my little tinfoil theory says that devs put more effort into iOS than android. There's plenty of evidence to support that, so it's not a stretch to assume it covers performance too.
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But this is too heavy for 805 as well. I used to use G2 and this was to complicated for HD screen as well. And assume this is too complicated for every android phone (Galaxy S2 my girlfriend as well). Just somehow work smooth-less on every single iPhone with very slow processor 1gb of ram etc.
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QHD is not too heavy for the 805,look on YouTube and find the G3 805 video by Erica Griffin where it runs smoother than the 801. The IPhone 5s is drawing below QHD AND below HD its resolution is only 1136x640!!!!!. HD is 1920x1080 and QHD is 2560 x 1440. The M8 has virtually the identical CPU and GPU as the G3 and is IPhone smooth bit its only 1920x1080. You can't put the same chip in a QHD phone and expect the same performance.
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QHD is not too heavy for the 805,look on YouTube and find the G3 805 video by Erica Griffin where it runs smoother than the 801. The IPhone 5s is drawing below QHD AND below HD its resolution is only 1136x640!!!!!. HD is 1920x1080 and QHD is 2560 x 1440. The M8 has virtually the identical CPU and GPU as the G3 and is IPhone smooth bit its only 1920x1080. You can't put the same chip in a QHD phone and expect the same performance.
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Are you talking about the S5 vs G3 video?
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It's plenty powerful enough. It's the way the OS is optimized, specifically the skin.
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I'm no trying to say that hardware is bad because in my opinion it's amazing. There is no excuses for hardware. Tha issue is 'android' optimization which is mileas away from ios. And google need to do something asap. I love android and I'm sure if someone could port ios on to this phone this could be the fastest and smoothness phone ever. Of course won't talk about ios limitations (I'm not fan of apple). So google stop complaing about hardware or similar and optimize your system. Then I'm sure apple stores becomes an empty stores hahaha
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It's plenty powerful enough. It's the way the OS is optimized, specifically the skin.
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The hardware isn't up to it.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YCpcEtokiJ0
Hey so been looking around quite a bit at different phones and I think LG G3 appears to be a winner on paper. For phones which I can get for ~free with my AT&T upgrade (which knocks out the Note 4, but includes Moto X 2nd gen, galaxy S4) it has the biggest screen at 5.5" and the biggest battery at 3,000 mah, expandable memory (which the Moto X lacks), the back is removable to replace the battery/sim/etc (Moto X lacks), and has 3 gb of ram. However, I keep reading various reviews, both by critics and on Amazon, and people seem in agreement that the Moto X offers a better experience to the user than the LG G3. They say the G3 is buggy and bloated, the moto x is vanilla android and runs faster for it, the moto x screen is a better picture with the amoled feature, the battery lasts longer in the moto x because the screen does not draw as much power, and one reviewer even states that the G3 performs WORSE on benchmarks than the G2 . I'm curious what your all experience has been? Any insights or thoughts to share to help with this decision? I want to like the G3 better for a variety of reasons, but also don't want to ignore common experience. (well actually I'd like to get the Xperia Z3 for the 20 mp camera, but damn it only has a 5.2" screen, and it doesn't even seem to be sold for AT&T anywhere that I can find).
Thanks in advance!
I will try to give you an honest review , YES the phone is good on paper BUT on daily use is bad , its terrible , you read CPU with 2.5 Ghz woooow , BUT the phone gets hot in 5 minutes and forget about those Ghz , youll get like 1.2 to 1.5 Ghz , because of the 2k screen that gets too hot , battery drains like a 2013 smartphone , snapdragon 801 is a big no no on 2k screen
Camera is bad compared with a Sony Z2....
talking about the LG G2 if it weren't the micro-SD , the removable battery and the camera , it would be a downgrade
i consider the LG G2 better ....better battery life , gaming experience ....
If your choice depends on the price i would consider a sony xperia Z2 , the Lg G3 is not that bad , but having read dozens of persons regretting the buy.....
I would definitely buy this phone(LG G3) if the price were between 200 and 250$ , nothing more
THE BIGGEST CON IS THE SILLY 2K screen , you can lower the resolution but those pixels are still alive .....
this G3 model is a complete headache.....:crying: , i regret not buying the Z2
PD: my english is not good k
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I will try to give you an honest review , YES the phone is good on paper BUT on daily use is bad , its terrible , you read CPU with 2.5 Ghz woooow , BUT the phone gets hot in 5 minutes and forget about those Ghz , youll get like 1.2 to 1.5 Ghz , because of the 2k screen that gets too hot , battery drains like a 2013 smartphone , snapdragon 801 is a big no no on 2k screen
Camera is bad compared with a Sony Z2....
talking about the LG G2 if it weren't the micro-SD , the removable battery and the camera , it would be a downgrade
i consider the LG G2 better ....better battery life , gaming experience ....
If your choice depends on the price i would consider a sony xperia Z2 , the Lg G3 is not that bad , but having read dozens of persons regretting the buy.....
I would definitely buy this phone(LG G3) if the price were between 200 and 250$ , nothing more
THE BIGGEST CON IS THE SILLY 2K screen , you can lower the resolution but those pixels are still alive .....
this G3 model is a complete headache.....:crying: , i regret not buying the Z2
PD: my english is not good k
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Sell your G3 and buy another phone mate, we allready got wining noobs in stock
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Sell your G3 and buy another phone mate, we allready got wining noobs in stock
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you call me noob , and you have a LG G3 too....the irony in your fanboyism ,haha
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you call me noob , and you have a LG G3 too....the irony in your fanboyism ,haha
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I`am not fanboy of anything realy. Whats wrong is wrong, i agree with the thermal throttling making the phone slower at times. you can however flash a custom rom or kernel to increase the threashold. The camera is great imo and the software is a joy to use compared to Samsung for instance. You`re opinion is a bit too negative about the phone imo. Overall its a good phone and price/quality ratio is excellent. Just my 2 cents
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I`am not fanboy of anything realy. Whats wrong is wrong, i agree with the thermal throttling making the phone slower at times. you can however flash a custom rom or kernel to increase the threashold. The camera is great imo and the software is a joy to use compared to Samsung for instance. You`re opinion is a bit too negative about the phone imo. Overall its a good phone and price/quality ratio is excellent. Just my 2 cents
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Agreed. It sounds like he got a dud or was expecting too much. My phone has never overheated and I can go at least 24 hours without recharging. If I pushed the battery all the way down to 0%, I could probably go 30-36 hours. As most people have the ability to charge their phone every day, going 24 hours is good enough.
The camera on the phone is great as well as the button placement and double tap to wake/sleep. Paired with G3 Tweaksbox and the user experience is delightful.
I've never used the Moto X 2014 but the G3 is by no means a bad phone. One of the best of 2014 IMO.
A few reasons I love this phone:
2k screen
Removable battery
microSD support
Excellent camera
One of the highest screen to body ratios on any phone currently out
Great button placement
Loud speaker
Regarding the thermal throttling and other performance issues, I'm curious, is this still a problem or any better if you go through and debloat the phone (have seen various guides around that look pretty straightforward). Or is it actually more related to the screen size and pixels?
On that note, how does the quality of the screen display compare between the lg g3 (an IPS display right?) And an amoled display like the moto x or galaxy series? Is one a higher picture quality in terms of color, etc?
One of my best friends owns a moto x 2nd gen. I must say it is a beauty, and the feel in the hand is amazing, it screams quality. It has one front facing speaker which is good. Display is a bit on the warmer side, it looks nice and "contrasty", although i'm not a fan of Amoled displays. Oh, and it is very very snappy. Nearly stock android and quick updates is also always a plus. My friend praises it's battery life even though on paper it is nothing special, but it looks like the software is optimized well. As long as you're not a heavy gamer it should easily get you through a day.
I have the 32/3GB G3, i came from a nexus 5. I already mentioned this somewhere around here, it's not as smooth as a nexus 5 (or moto x 2014), but i like some of the added functionality and i can live with the occasional microlags. The speaker is powerful, even though it is firing backwards. The display is ok, i would'nt say it's gorgeous as some say around here, but it's also not bad as others do.
Before i got my G3 i was worried about overheating issues that i read about online, and i have to say, for now i haven't faced this issue (maybe because it's winter and temp. is low, which of course does not count for temp. indoors)
Low thermal throttling threshold is not only a G3 thing, it's also well known on nexus 4 & 5 (both made by LG).
I think lollipop still needs a lot of optimizing (including for nexus devices), and i believe the G3 can only perform better in the future. Although, IMO it will never be as smooth as something running (nearly) stock android.
Oh, and battery life on my G3 is amazing. Over 5h of screen on on a full day uptime. (With my usage pattern of course). Add to all that microSD expansion option, and removable battery -if you're into that or need extra juice. The camera is also a plus on the G3's side.
No one can make the decision instead of you. It's your call. You have to add the + and - of both, and see what suits you best.
My advice is, if you're asking for the better software experience, are not afraid of burn-in on an amoled display and don't need a removable battery/ expandable storage, then go with the Moto X 2014.
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No one can make the decision instead of you. It's your call. You have to add the + and - of both, and see what suits you best.
My advice is, if you're asking for the better software experience, are not afraid of burn-in on an amoled display and don't need a removable battery/ expandable storage, then go with the Moto X 2014.
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Yea you are exactly right. I think it is bothersome that the Moto X does not provide for expandable storage nor battery replacement. But the user experience is important; don't want glitches and hangs. Though that being said, I'm currently using a Galaxy S3 with the unofficial Omni rom port and their kernel, and while it does have some glitches and hang ups it doesn't bother me too much, so I imagine the LG G3 would perform much more smoothly, especially if the Stock rom is in operation rather than a custom port.
Have you tried any of the debloating? (lots of tutorials, here's the one I bookmarked: http://forum.xda-developers.com/att-lg-g3/general/guide-how-to-remove-bloatware-att-lg-g3-t2822501)
I'm curious if that would not make the OS feel more "snappy" and "vanilla android" as people keep praising the Moto X for. If that were the case then hands down I would go for the G3 with the removable battery, expandable memory, larger sccreen, etc.
Side note - even though the Moto X does not have a removable back, I would assume there is still a way to exchange the sim easily for when traveling abroad, etc?
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Yea you are exactly right. I think it is bothersome that the Moto X does not provide for expandable storage nor battery replacement. But the user experience is important; don't want glitches and hangs. Though that being said, I'm currently using a Galaxy S3 with the unofficial Omni rom port and their kernel, and while it does have some glitches and hang ups it doesn't bother me too much, so I imagine the LG G3 would perform much more smoothly, especially if the Stock rom is in operation rather than a custom port.
Have you tried any of the debloating? (lots of tutorials, here's the one I bookmarked: http://forum.xda-developers.com/att-lg-g3/general/guide-how-to-remove-bloatware-att-lg-g3-t2822501)
I'm curious if that would not make the OS feel more "snappy" and "vanilla android" as people keep praising the Moto X for. If that were the case then hands down I would go for the G3 with the removable battery, expandable memory, larger sccreen, etc.
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The G3 is definitely quicker than the S3 (i had one for 3-4 months back in the day).
As for "debloating", don't take any guide word for word, tastes differ, and there are things you probably wouldn't want to move/delete. I used to "debloat" my nexuses by deleting all Google crap that is found in the playstore, so removing from /system and installing on /data, and then greenify what i want to greenify, and even on a nexus you would see a lil boost in battery and lower RAM usage. So, yeah, removing anything form /system on a G3 should help a bit performance wise, to what extent? i'm not sure. My G3 is full stock and unrooted for the moment, and as i said, i'm not bothered by the occasional lil hickups here and there.
Side note - even though the Moto X does not have a removable back, I would assume there is still a way to exchange the sim easily for when traveling abroad, etc?
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not sure, you should check with your carrier, but if you buy it from Moto directly you do get the lil pin to eject the sim (like the one iphones and many unibody android phones use)
Just saw this, apparently I can get the lg g3 for $0.01 from amazon and they will give me $100 gift card! Hmm, probably will go with being paid $99.99 to take lg g3 over moto x!
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/02/05/deal-buy-an-att-lg-g3-from-amazon-for-cheap-get-100-gift-card/
The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
roydok said:
The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
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At the moment I'm not sure.
Historically the exynos has been behind in the GPU department.
But the trade off has been the SD chips have been bootloader locked.
The exynos I've heard can still be unlocked, so if the GPU / CPU has caught up at all then it would be the preferred device in my opinion.
But too tell the truth it's really down to you.
I read somewhere that this year the Exynos build isn't very good. They said it lagged behind SD in most measurements but I don't remember where I read this.
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I read somewhere that this year the Exynos build isn't very good. They said it lagged behind SD in most measurements but I don't remember where I read this.
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Ahhh don't say that
So long as it can run the windwaker at a solid 30fps I'll be happy.
Go snapdragon if you can. Exynos 990 is a pile of turd
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The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
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Since Galaxy S8, Snapdragon is ahead of the number game in benchmarks. The last good performing Exynos is from the Galaxy S7. In normal day to day usage, you won't notice the performance difference though, they're mostly identical in speed except for the battery efficiency, Exynos drains battery faster.
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Go snapdragon if you can. Exynos 990 is a pile of turd
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Can you root the Snapdragon?
I don't think you can so I wouldn't touch it
dladz said:
Can you root the Snapdragon?
I don't think you can so I wouldn't touch it
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Tbh there are plenty of nice looking girls out there that I would root before my phone. I don't root my android phones, so for me I'd rather reap the performance advantage than the mod-ability..
As with the S10+, the SD855 had way better camera processing power too. No doubts this trend will continue with the SD865 :good:
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Tbh there are plenty of nice looking girls out there that I would root before my phone. I don't root my android phones, so for me I'd rather reap the performance advantage than the mod-ability..
As with the S10+, the SD855 had way better camera processing power too. No doubts this trend will continue with the SD865 :good:
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Performance?
Ok so my OnePlus 5, rooted and with a custom ROM managed a 14 hour and 47 minutes screen on time in a single charge, I have proof on the OnePlus 5 thread.
My P20 Pro managed 17 hours, also rooted with a custom ROM..
So your theory is broken pal, also to do with performance, removing swap storage actually speeds up the device, definitely for gaming.
Not to mention truly being able to debloat.
Just because I root. Don't think for a moment that it isn't stable or things are broken lol, if you've got a bad device or a novice dev then yea sh** will be broken but for the most part on most devices it's perfectly fine.
Not to mention the additional features which you obtain by having root access.
For me it's an absolute no brainer, as for the previous galaxy's I can't comment, but let's see what happens after the 13th and perhaps a day one patch.
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Performance?
Ok so my OnePlus 5, rooted and with a custom ROM managed a 14 hour and 47 minutes screen on time in a single charge, I have proof on the OnePlus 5 thread.
My P20 Pro managed 17 hours, also rooted with a custom ROM..
So your theory is broken pal, also to do with performance, removing swap storage actually speeds up the device, definitely for gaming.
Not to mention truly being able to debloat.
Just because I root. Don't think for a moment that it isn't stable or things are broken lol, if you've got a bad device or a novice dev then yea sh** will be broken but for the most part on most devices it's perfectly fine.
Not to mention the additional features which you obtain by having root access.
For me it's an absolute no brainer, as for the previous galaxy's I can't comment, but let's see what happens after the 13th and perhaps a day one patch.
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You are reading way too fast into the other guy's post.
Yes, with root you can modify things to make performance better, but you're still limited by hardware.
Honestly, with or workout for, exynos or snapdragon you're going to get 99% the same phone.
Early bench marks already show the Exynos 990 is a pile of turd. While I'll reserve judgement until the direct comparisons have been done the initial results are similar to last year's. 99% of phone users won't root either. So that should not even be a consideration Pal
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You are reading way too fast into the other guy's post.
Yes, with root you can modify things to make performance better, but you're still limited by hardware.
Honestly, with or workout for, exynos or snapdragon you're going to get 99% the same phone.
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Mmmm I dunno I didn't mention the girls sentence?
Plus if the exynos is as some have said, then it won't be 99% the same phone.
Supposedly and I can't say for sure until I use it.
Exynos is meant to be weaker in terms of GPU (I expected that)
Exynos is meant to drain faster than the 865 (I didn't expect that)
Updates against the exynos and it's Mali GPU are going to be few and far between and seeing as s.korea is now using the SD, that can be expected to be worse than previous years, which isn't good news at all..
Best case scenario is that the Mali is on par with the 855 or 855+
Can be rooted
Gets updates to fix drain
Gets updates to fix camera
Lastly, the limits of hardware are fine, if you can test them, on stock you can't.
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Mmmm I dunno I didn't mention the girls sentence?
Plus if the exynos is as some have said, then it won't be 99% the same phone.
Supposedly and I can't say for sure until I use it.
Exynos is meant to be weaker in terms of GPU (I expected that)
Exynos is meant to drain faster than the 865 (I didn't expect that)
Updates against the exynos and it's Mali GPU are going to be few and far between and seeing as s.korea is now using the SD, that can be expected to be worse than previous years, which isn't good news at all..
Best case scenario is that the Mali is on par with the 855 or 855+
Can be rooted
Gets updates to fix drain
Gets updates to fix camera
Lastly, the limits of hardware are fine, if you can test them, on stock you can't.
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The GPU is worse only because it is a 'stock' ARM GPU where as Qualcomm builds a custom, GPU. The differences, on average, are minor in everyday use, at least historically.
The battery issues I can't talk about much. Last phone I had as a Exynos was the S9+ and it was within a few percentage points of my S9+ SD. And battery is very much a personal thing, people use their phones very differently and the battery drain is very different based on things as obscure as signal type and strength.
I highly doubt the international version will be worse off than before, but only time will tell.
On stock you can test the hardware. You can't push it the extra 1% to get that tiny additional boost. Thing is, not everyone wants to or can root. Root brings its own problems especially with security. But I don't really want to argue if any one person should root or not, that's up to the person.
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The GPU is worse only because it is a 'stock' ARM GPU where as Qualcomm builds a custom, GPU. The differences, on average, are minor in everyday use, at least historically.
The battery issues I can't talk about much. Last phone I had as a Exynos was the S9+ and it was within a few percentage points of my S9+ SD. And battery is very much a personal thing, people use their phones very differently and the battery drain is very different based on things as obscure as signal type and strength.
I highly doubt the international version will be worse off than before, but only time will tell.
On stock you can test the hardware. You can't push it the extra 1% to get that tiny additional boost. Thing is, not everyone wants to or can root. Root brings its own problems especially with security. But I don't really want to argue if any one person should root or not, that's up to the person.
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Nah mate I wholeheartedly disagree, I had the OnePlus 5 which I think had an 850 and compared to any exynos at the time or the one after the oneplus outperformed it on the dolphin emulator, all games from the play store and benchmarks.
The GPU has always been the exynos' weak spot, I just hope this year they may have caught up a little.
Single core CPU performance and multi had been close, which is why using the device appeared fine, but the GPU is a different matter