I was hoping to use my Tab S 8.4 with One Note. However, the lag is terrible on typing! It doesn't matter if I use the Samsung keyboard or SwiftKey. They are both terrible, and it makes the program unusable. I get no lag in the app using my Nexus 5. Anyone see the same thing?
sparhawk6 said:
I was hoping to use my Tab S 8.4 with One Note. However, the lag is terrible on typing! It doesn't matter if I use the Samsung keyboard or SwiftKey. They are both terrible, and it makes the program unusable. I get no lag in the app using my Nexus 5. Anyone see the same thing?
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Just tried it on my 8.4 and there is quite a bit of lag when typing. Maybe it's not optimised for the Exynos processor?
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sparhawk6 said:
I was hoping to use my Tab S 8.4 with One Note. However, the lag is terrible on typing! It doesn't matter if I use the Samsung keyboard or SwiftKey. They are both terrible, and it makes the program unusable. I get no lag in the app using my Nexus 5. Anyone see the same thing?
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On my 10.5 I am getting some slight lag but by no means does it make the app unusable for me. This is using the stock keyboard. Of course OneNote is pretty much indexing everything as you type it so it will lag more than just typing in a Web forum or word processor.
One thing I have done is to disable DVFS using Wanam Xposed. This is something Samsung implements which throttles your CPU to save battery life. IMHO it is a dumb idea and causes problems so I turn it off. I've found this improves on keyboard lag system wide so I may be getting better results in OneNote than you are.
Swiftkey is a lagfest for me on any device so can't comment on that.
One other thought. If OneNote is optimized for lower resolution screens that may also be having an effect on how it performs on the Tab S. Just making guesses at this point.
Anyway, so on the 10.5 not perfect but quite usable.
Works perfectly on my ASUS Transformer Infinity TF701. Another example of an app not jiving with the Exynos Processor. Abysmal.......
xRevilatioNx said:
Works perfectly on my ASUS Transformer Infinity TF701. Another example of an app not jiving with the Exynos Processor. Abysmal.......
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Lol, you really need a new word
You guys keep blaming Exynos for everything. 5420 has been out on the N3, N10.1-14, Pros, and even Chromebook since last fall. If anything, I'd say a lot of the general performance issues being lamented have to do with the video drivers being used with the introduction of AMOLED. It's the only thing different h/w wise from the aforementioned devices.
Everyone not happy with their Galaxy tab s, just return them... Then you
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You guys keep blaming Exynos for everything. 5420 has been out on the N3, N10.1-14, Pros, and even Chromebook since last fall. If anything, I'd say a lot of the general performance issues being lamented have to do with the video drivers being used with the introduction of AMOLED. It's the only thing different h/w wise from the aforementioned devices.
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OneNote runs just fine on my Tab S.
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Everyone not happy with their Galaxy tab s, just return them... Then you
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If only they would, if only they would...
Wow, some serious fan boys in here. So you are able to type rapidly?
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mitchellvii said:
On my 10.5 I am getting some slight lag but by no means does it make the app unusable for me. This is using the stock keyboard. Of course OneNote is pretty much indexing everything as you type it so it will lag more than just typing in a Web forum or word processor.
One thing I have done is to disable DVFS using Wanam Xposed. This is something Samsung implements which throttles your CPU to save battery life. IMHO it is a dumb idea and causes problems so I turn it off. I've found this improves on keyboard lag system wide so I may be getting better results in OneNote than you are.
Swiftkey is a lagfest for me on any device so can't comment on that.
One other thought. If OneNote is optimized for lower resolution screens that may also be having an effect on how it performs on the Tab S. Just making guesses at this point.
Anyway, so on the 10.5 not perfect but quite usable.
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Typing nonsense with one hand is not a real test.
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Here's my quick example video. You can see it really bad at the end. There is about a 2-3 second lag from me typing to it appearing on the screen. After a few sentences, the lag makes typing impossible. I need to be able to type quickly for taking notes at work.
Can one of you who is reporting no lag type a few sentences quickly, and post the video? I want to find out if I have a defective device.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hosh3ceetvM
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Here's my quick example video. You can see it really bad at the end. There is about a 2-3 second lag from me typing to it appearing on the screen. After a few sentences, the lag makes typing impossible. I need to be able to type quickly for taking notes at work.
Can one of you who is reporting no lag type a few sentences quickly, and post the video? I want to find out if I have a defective device.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hosh3ceetvM
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Are you rooted? Can you disable DVFS? I noticed that with DVFS enabled typing would bog down the more I typed. The Tab was throttling due to heating and with DVFS disabled this never happens. This isn't so much a hardware thing as a Touchwiz thing. It may be that typing makes it engage faster with the amoled screen than with other Touchwiz devices. My Note 3 is quite smooth. Have you tried an alternate launcher like Nova?
Or it could be you have a defective tab. Sadly there seems to have been a bad run. People who have had theirs replaced have been much more satisfied. I can't video actually typing sentences but will just try it and see what I think.
** UPDATE: Ok, just typed an entire paragraph in OneNote on my 10.5. Maybe a microsecond laggier than typing here but then again OneNote is indexing and this is not. Still, completely usable and no delays as you are experiencing.
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Have you considered using THUMB KEYBOARD from the play store? It is free and a very fast, well conceived keyboard, especially for use with tablets and the autocorrect is second to none. Give that a try too.
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OneNote runs just fine on my Tab S.
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If only they would, if only they would...
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Didn't you just say you experienced some lag. But it was useable?
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Didn't you just say you experienced some lag. But it was useable?
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Yes, perhaps a nanosecond but nothing like the 3 seconds the OP is experiencing. Imminently useable. I can see how in his use case there is a serious problem. There can be 100 reasons for that nanosecond lag other than the Exynos processor somehow being inadequate.
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Yes, perhaps a nanosecond but nothing like the 3 seconds the OP is experiencing. Imminently usable. I can see how in his use case there is a serious problem. There can be 100 reasons for that nanosecond lag other than the Exynos processor somehow being inadequate.
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It's not that the exynos is inadequate, it's that the OneNote app 'might' not be optimised properly for the exynos processor, which seems to be the case here. Obviously the exynos processor can handle an app like OneNote.
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It's not that the exynos is inadequate, it's that the OneNote app 'might' not be optimised properly for the exynos processor, which seems to be the case here. Obviously the exynos processor can handle an app like OneNote.
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For the OP he clearly has a serious problem. As configured with my 10.5 this is a non issue. If the suggestions I made are not of help to the OP I suggest he consider replacing his tablet with a newer production run model. 3 second input lag is an aberration and not acceptable.
P.S. Lack of OneNote optimization with Exynos may exist but since my experience is so superior to his it leads me to believe the issue is elsewhere. YMMV.
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Are you rooted? Can you disable DVFS? I noticed that with DVFS enabled typing would bog down the more I typed. The Tab was throttling due to heating and with DVFS disabled this never happens. This isn't so much a hardware thing as a Touchwiz thing. It may be that typing makes it engage faster with the amoled screen than with other Touchwiz devices. My Note 3 is quite smooth. Have you tried an alternate launcher like Nova?
Or it could be you have a defective tab. Sadly there seems to have been a bad run. People who have had theirs replaced have been much more satisfied. I can't video actually typing sentences but will just try it and see what I think.
** UPDATE: Ok, just typed an entire paragraph in OneNote on my 10.5. Maybe a microsecond laggier than typing here but then again OneNote is indexing and this is not. Still, completely usable and no delays as you are experiencing.
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Have you considered using THUMB KEYBOARD from the play store? It is free and a very fast, well conceived keyboard, especially for use with tablets and the autocorrect is second to none. Give that a try too.
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I appreciate the suggestion, but disabling DVFS had no effect.
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sparhawk6 said:
I appreciate the suggestion, but disabling DVFS had no effect.
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Hmm OK. Did you reboot after disabling? Unless you are having some weird conflict with another app you are using or something about your setup you shouldn't be getting the lag you are.
This is not a well-loved app and apparently a recent version update pissed a lot of people off. I use S Note since Samsung released a Windows version because most of my "notes" are mobile>desktop not the other way around.
S Note for Windows If anyone wants to play with it...
http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/usefulsoftware/snote/
Direct download...
http://www.samsung.com/global/download/snotedownload
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Wow, some serious fan boys in here. So you are able to type rapidly?
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Not about being a fan boy, just tired of reading the same thing in every thread. This tablet should have ZERO lag, it is a beast. The screen should NOT be yellowed/distorted at all or be anything except phenomenal. If it's not, then return it for a different one or a replacement.
Like a few have said, there was obviously a bad batch because a few are having issues which I personally wouldn't be satisfied with, BUT others are not experiencing them in the slightest.
If you would like video proof I can make a video when I get off, but I literally have ZERO lag anywhere in this tablet and the screen color is amazing(obviously you'd have to view the video on something other than your tab s for true color reference).
My bottom line is you shouldn't have to pay $600 for something and worry with these defects. There shouldn't even be threads created about it. Return or exchange it. /thread.
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So I'm thinking about picking up a galaxy note 8.0. Just wondering if anybody has run into any issues or problems with the device?
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So I'm thinking about picking up a galaxy note 8.0. Just wondering if anybody has run into any issues or problems with the device?
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The only problem I got is that I can't leave it alone
The screen is very bright and colorful
The battery life is good
The performance is great
it charges in a few hours so you can go back to use it
In terms of experience ruining, game breaking, regret inducing, where-is-my-receipt sorta problems, nothing as of yet. I've only managed to come up with a tiny list of minor annoyances (like the position of the speakers and accidentally hitting the back button while in landscape), but nothing that's pushed me over the edge. In fact, of all the Android tablets I've owned (Xoom, Nook Color, Galaxy Tab 2 7.0, Nexus 7, Transformer TF300T), this is hands down the most useful and practical I've owned.
So how is the battery life? I.e. how long of continuous use before needing to charge?
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I really like tee tablet and it is a considerable upgrade to my N7 in every way, even without considering the s-pen functionality.
But since you asked for quibbles, here are two....
In my experience, the IR blaster weak enough that to call it a "blaster"us misleading. More of an "IR crawler".
If you are a really big fan of Hulu (I've met one person), the Hulu app has a framerate stutter at the moment (but the ads are silky smooth).
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After nearly a week of use I have no real quibbles. The biggest one is I hate the stock lockscreen but that... that is changed easily enough. So far the device is very responsive and snappy, has less lag with pen input than my note 10.1, and the screen while not the highest resolution by any means looks very, very nice!
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The biggest one is I hate the stock lockscreen but that... that is changed easily enough.
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With the official book cover, I just turned it off completely. Not normally something I do with my devices, but it seems to work on the this one quite well.
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Juvenall said:
With the official book cover, I just turned it off completely. Not normally something I do with my devices, but it seems to work on the this one quite well.
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Indeed, I did the same and disabled the locks creek.
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UsagiMimi said:
After nearly a week of use I have no real quibbles. The biggest one is I hate the stock lockscreen but that... that is changed easily enough. So far the device is very responsive and snappy, has less lag with pen input than my note 10.1, and the screen while not the highest resolution by any means looks very, very nice!
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Can you please tell me the Speed or Frequency of the Mali 400MP GPU of Note 8?
Is it same as Note 2 or S3?
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Juvenall said:
In terms of experience ruining, game breaking, regret inducing, where-is-my-receipt sorta problems, nothing as of yet. I've only managed to come up with a tiny list of minor annoyances (like the position of the speakers and accidentally hitting the back button while in landscape), but nothing that's pushed me over the edge. In fact, of all the Android tablets I've owned (Xoom, Nook Color, Galaxy Tab 2 7.0, Nexus 7, Transformer TF300T), this is hands down the most useful and practical I've owned.
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How is the gaming performance of Note 8? Can you play all latest games with out any lag with good frame rates?
Also how is the battery life?
The mali400 is the only thing i'm not so happy about. (Oh, and the lack of camera flash).
I was hoping that the note 8 would be a complete upgrade in every area over my HTC Sensation.... But from what I've been able to gather - the Adreno220 in my Sensation is superior to the mali400...
I haven't been able to find any real world evidence of superior performance online though... I guess I'll just have to wait till I actually have a Note 8.0 and do the tests myself.
Would love to hear some feedback regarding the Mali 400.
My feeling is that with current software it's not really an issue. But I fear the note 8.0 / Note 2 will start showing the age of their gpu in the next couple of years.
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How is the gaming performance of Note 8? Can you play all latest games with out any lag with good frame rates?
Also how is the battery life?
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Every game I've thrown at this thing has done just fine. I'm not sure what a good benchmark game is, but I've not noticed any issues, lag, or performance issues in any title.
In regards to battery life, I've honestly not been paying attention. It's been good enough that I've not had to think about it with extremely heavy use throughout the day.
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Every game I've thrown at this thing has done just fine. I'm not sure what a good benchmark game is, but I've not noticed any issues, lag, or performance issues in any title.
In regards to battery life, I've honestly not been paying attention. It's been good enough that I've not had to think about it with extremely heavy use throughout the day.
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Thanks for the reply.
Just wanted to know wether we can play Modern combat 4, Asphalt 7, NFS most wanted and other heavy games with out ant lag or frame drops?
Also Mali 400 MP is future proof? Atleast for one year more?
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Juvenall said:
Every game I've thrown at this thing has done just fine. I'm not sure what a good benchmark game is, but I've not noticed any issues, lag, or performance issues in any title.
In regards to battery life, I've honestly not been paying attention. It's been good enough that I've not had to think about it with extremely heavy use throughout the day.
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Also if possible can you check the speed or frequency of Mali 400Mp in Note 8? I dont no how to check.
Just want to know wether NOte 8 has Mali 8 as same or higher speed than Note 2 or S3 ?
Here you can see default speeds of the mali 400 mine is at 640mhz on the N2
Oh! That is helpful thank you.
Have you tried putting it up to 800?
Is it me or does the note 8.0 feel warm on the back (bottom left)? I downloaded system tuner and it is reaching 50-55° C ON CPU by simply browsing the internet or just having the screen on. Also, if I put my ear close to where it feels warm I hear this hissing sound (very faint but noticeable). I dont get this same effect on my note 2. Otherwise, I love this tablet!
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GGWC808 said:
So I'm thinking about picking up a galaxy note 8.0. Just wondering if anybody has run into any issues or problems with the device?
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I have owned the xoom, Asus transformer, Nexus 7, and now the Note 8! this is by far the best in my opinion! I've only owned it for 2 days but have found more use for it than all the others! I find it actually makes things easier!The only down side is a small creak I've found in the back part of the casing next to the Micro SD card slot! By the Way, I wrote all this with the s pen and my own hand writing!
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Is it me or does the note 8.0 feel warm on the back (bottom left)? I downloaded system tuner and it is reaching 50-55° C ON CPU by simply browsing the internet or just having the screen on. Also, if I put my ear close to where it feels warm I hear this hissing sound (very faint but noticeable). I dont get this same effect on my note 2. Otherwise, I love this tablet!
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That very much sounds like your tablet is defective. Hissing is usually a failing componentof some sort. I would take that unit in for an exchange.
My note 8 is completely silent, and produces no heat that I can feel.
Best of luck!
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I thought that was not normal. Already got a replacement on the way. Good to know it produces no heat
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I thought that was not normal. Already got a replacement on the way. Good to know it produces no heat
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Mine gets pretty warm but not hot. Usually only happens when playing games. No hissing sound either.
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Mine gets pretty warm but not hot. Usually only happens when playing games. No hissing sound either.
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Ditto, noticed some warmness after playing games. Polaris can warm it up too, but I haven't been able to get it warm with Power Saving on.
Altough there is a similar thread in Nexus10 forum, I am posting here the same question.
Just got my Note8, and i have noticed imediately this behaviour: when scrolling in portrait mode, pages are deforming, most notably on the left side. For me this is quite disturbing (this is my first Android tablet). I have used a Nexus7 for few days and did not notice such thing.
Here is the video from the other thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4-tKflikYY&feature=youtube_gdata_player.
Is anyone experiencing the same? I wonder if this is a manufacturing defect and should return the tablet, as in the N10 thread someone does not recognize this behaviour.
ramisto said:
Altough there is a similar thread in Nexus10 forum, I am posting here the same question.
Just got my Note8, and i have noticed imediately this behaviour: when scrolling in portrait mode, pages are deforming, most notably on the left side. For me this is quite disturbing (this is my first Android tablet). I have used a Nexus7 for few days and did not notice such thing.
Here is the video from the other thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4-tKflikYY&feature=youtube_gdata_player.
Is anyone experiencing the same? I wonder if this is a manufacturing defect and should return the tablet, as in the N10 thread someone does not recognize this behaviour.
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Same issue here.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18485044/DSC_8338.MOV
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Same issue here.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18485044/DSC_8338.MOV
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Thanks for the feedback. I went back to shop and confirmed it with the demo tablet. The same behaviour seen on the Ipad retina too. Strange enough, sony tablet z was ok, with more pixels than our tablet. Hopefully a custom ROM can solve this one.
ramisto said:
Thanks for the feedback. I went back to shop and confirmed it with the demo tablet. The same behaviour seen on the Ipad retina too. Strange enough, sony tablet z was ok, with more pixels than our tablet. Hopefully a custom ROM can solve this one.
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My Nexus 7 I/O Edition does the same thing. Maybe we just have special eyes? A lot of people simply don't see it.
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My Nexus 7 I/O Edition does the same thing. Maybe we just have special eyes? A lot of people simply don't see it.
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I have only used a Nexus7 32G model and haven't noticed this one (I will ask my friend to test it for me). Nexus7 and Note8 have the same CPU and same resolution, but different GPU, different screen type and screen size. Can't be our eyes, can it? (lol)
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I have only used a Nexus7 32G model and haven't noticed this one (I will ask my friend to test it for me). Nexus7 and Note8 have the same CPU and same resolution, but different GPU, different screen type and screen size. Can't be our eyes, can it? (lol)
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They actually have completely different CPUs. The Nexus 7 has a Tegra 3, the Note 8.0 has an Exynos 4412.
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They actually have completely different CPUs. The Nexus 7 has a Tegra 3, the Note 8.0 has an Exynos 4412.
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I thought that's the chipset, and the CPU core is a Cortex-A9. Looking at the specs for Ipad3, it using the same Cortex core (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A9_MPCore)
That's an interesting thought, I wonder if the Infinity tab, which has high resolution and uses the same core CPU exhibits the same behaviour when scrolling. I'll came back if i have the chance to test it.
I just watched the .mov format file a couple of times, and I'd tried the youtube as well, and I'm still not sure what is being described.
Is this a report that the text is blurring a little as the page is scrolled rapidly up and down?
Not a big issue for me, as I can't read text until it stops moving unless I want to get carsick right here on the couch
It's not enough of a lag between when the page stops moving and when the text is sharp that I notice it, if that is what the video's highlighting.
One thing you can try is getting into developer options and checking the settings for "force GPU rendering" and "disable hardware overlays"
I force gpu rendering and do not disable hardware overlays. On my device, that pair of settings gives me the best quadrant graphics scores. So I tell myself I notice the difference
I have already tried the trick with developer options, and didn't get any improvment.
The issue, for me, is not the text blur during scroll. It is that horizontal lines or text or photos are not horizontal anymore, but oblique, during scroll.
Try, for example, scrolling a google search result in browser, keeping your finger on the screen. I see the right side of the screen going faster than the left side of the screen, hence the sensation of deforming. The same effect i get when scrolling pictures in gallery or tumblr. If i scroll up and down several times the effect is obvious.
I have tested today more devices (Asus TF300, Ipad2) and noticed this effect. Despite my previous statement, tablet Z has the same.
I tend now to believe this as being a "normal" behaviour.
Yes, it's more of a bending and deforming of lines that should be straight when scrolling. Exactly like was described in the post above.
I guess I'm just used to the 0 lag of an AMOLED display...
Just a thought. Could it be a visual illusion? Like when you hold a pencil near one end with two fingers and wave it up and down, the pencil appears to be bending but in reality it is not.
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Just a thought. Could it be a visual illusion? Like when you hold a pencil near one end with two fingers and wave it up and down, the pencil appears to be bending but in reality it is not.
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You just blew my mind maybe
EDIT: Thought about it, nope. My Nexus 7 does the same but the OTHER way, horizontal instead of vertical.
Never noticed anything like that on my note n5110, but i definitely see what the problem is on the video above...it's wobbly. Will check my device again later and let you know. Doesn't seem normal to me but maybe I just never noticed it on my note.
EDIT: Wow I finally see it on my device. It took a lot of playing around, but I managed to consistently reproduce the issue by using tapatalk and scrolling up and down slowly while in portrait mode. I also had to hold the Note further away than I normally would to see the effect. Crazy optical! Since I don't really notice it in everyday situations though it won't be bothersome for me, but I definitely see how it might be annoying for someone who notices it more often. You have some sharp eyes :thumbup::thumbup:
so is that issue present in all N8.0 devices?
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so is that issue present in all N8.0 devices?
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I would assume so, but i only own one Note8 and checked myself another one in the shop.
some guys from russian forum said with 100% confidence that they don't have such issue ...
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some guys from russian forum said with 100% confidence that they don't have such issue ...
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So did I until I finally noticed it. Doesn't mean they are wrong though.
I noticed it on EVERY video review of the device:
I have an original note 10.1 and i'm wondering if any of you have upgraded and if you think it was worth it.
The s/w looks quite different, maybe a question of personal taste.
I think the best part will be the resolution increase but i'm not sure if you notice it that much.
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I have an original note 10.1 and i'm wondering if any of you have upgraded and if you think it was worth it.
The s/w looks quite different, maybe a question of personal taste.
I think the best part will be the resolution increase but i'm not sure if you notice it that much.
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I upgraded and imo it isn't worth it. The resolution is nice but it is best displayed on paper, when I put them side by side i don't notice a night/day difference. The software is much better on the original (see how many people are complaining about the new snote) and root is better on the first as well. Battery life is better on the original.
If I hadn't promised my old one to my nephew I wouldn't have kept the new one.
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Thanks for your helpful comments, you mention some relevant points, i guess i'll be keeping my note for now.
I upgraded and I think the higher res display is well worth it.
They're very different devices. The size, display, and additional features are worth it to me. I like the new multiview, Pen Window, and S Note but not everybody does. I also went from a N2 to a N3 which made the transition a lot easier. The N10.1-14 is a lot closer to the N3 in design and features than the N2 was to the N10.1-12. Going from the N3 to the N10.1-12 was driving me crazy and S Note is no longer compatible with the 2012 version so sharing S Notes requires a N3/N10.1-14 combination. I'm very happy with the upgrade although some things take some getting used to. Like the h/w buttons and phone UI on a tablet. Some people deal with change better than others.
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They're very different devices. The size, display, and additional features are worth it to me. I like the new multiview, Pen Window, and S Note but not everybody does. I also went from a N2 to a N3 which made the transition a lot easier. The N10.1-14 is a lot closer to the N3 in design and features than the N2 was to the N10.1-12. Going from the N3 to the N10.1-12 was driving me crazy and S Note is no longer compatible with the 2012 version so sharing S Notes requires a N3/N10.1-14 combination. I'm very happy with the upgrade although some things take some getting used to. Like the h/w buttons and phone UI on a tablet. Some people deal with change better than others.
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I could not agree more. I picked up my tablet yesterday and can say the following things I have noticed:
1. The screen is better, but it honestly has not blown me away.
2. Camera is way better.
3. The device doesn't work as well with a mouse and keyboard. Not only does it constantly disconnect, the lack of soft keys causes a problem when trying to use my mouse to go to "home" screen, also, previously bumping the mouse against the edge of the screen resulted in panning of the currently displayed homescreen panel to the adjacent side.
4. S-Note is a boss, way better
5. Battery life doesn't seem quite as good.
6. Device boots faster and is faster but not terribly noticeable once booted.
7. Widgets aren't as good in my opinion. (I'm thinking digital clock and alarm)
8. The device looks way nicer.
I went to Best Buy today and saw the new Note 10.1 in display. It looked nice and my wife ask me if I want to upgrade my Note 10.1 2012. Didn't play much with it but the screen was a bit better. The multitasking looks good too but not sure if it's worth the expense right now. I love my old Note and it's my primary tablet/computer. Maybe I should upgrade just because I know my tablet will start falling in performance and battery.
We're in the same boat, really don't know if I should upgrade. I'll do more research.
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3. The device doesn't work as well with a mouse and keyboard. Not only does it constantly disconnect, the lack of soft keys causes a problem when trying to use my mouse to go to "home" screen, also, previously bumping the mouse against the edge of the screen resulted in panning of the currently displayed homescreen panel to the adjacent side.
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This is so odd. I've had a OG G-Tab 10.1, N10.1-12, and now a N10.1-14. Using the same keyboards and mice the N10.1-14 is hands down the best of the three for what you've described. "Best" defined as always auto-connecting when I turn on BT, staying connected while I'm using them, no errant key strokes or mouse positioning, mouse buttons controlling Android functions (EG: right click=back, center key=home, long center key=task manager), and playing nice with other BT devices that also might be connected. It's the first Android device I've owned that I feel comfortable bringing with me as my only "Office" connectivity option. I have a Latin American SM-P601 and don't know if that makes the difference but it's incredibly strange that some folks commend something you're highlighting as a problem.
I started this thread discussing this subject before I even knew some people were having BT peripheral problems.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2526070
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This is so odd. I've had a OG G-Tab 10.1, N10.1-12, and now a N10.1-14. Using the same keyboards and mice the N10.1-14 is hands down the best of the three for what you've described. "Best" defined as always auto-connecting when I turn on BT, staying connected while I'm using them, no errant key strokes or mouse positioning, mouse buttons controlling Android functions (EG: right click=back, center key=home, long center key=task manager), and playing nice with other BT devices that also might be connected. It's the first Android device I've owned that I feel comfortable bringing with me as my only "Office" connectivity option. I have a Latin American SM-P601 and don't know if that makes the difference but it's incredibly strange that some folks commend something you're highlighting as a problem.
I started this thread discussing this subject before I even knew some people were having BT peripheral problems.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2526070
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So is it my particular peripherals, a flaw in my specific device or a generalized problem across several models?
I have the 32 GB wifi model in white, US. All firmwares updated.
I use logitech k810 keyboard and a logitech android mouse.
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So is it my particular peripherals, a flaw in my specific device or a generalized problem across several models?
I have the 32 GB wifi model in white, US. All firmwares updated.
I use logitech k810 keyboard and a logitech android mouse.
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You'll find this post from another thread even stranger...
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I have a logiteck k810 bluetooth keyboard and have no issues with disconnects, whatsoever. Maybe its a problem with the keyboards trying to conserve energy?
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I don't know if @ChrisNee1988 is from the U.S. but if he is and using a U.S. N10.1-14 on the same s/w you are that points to something most likely s/w related on your particular device that's causing the issue(s). If @ChrisNee1988 is using a non-U.S. N10.1-14 and has no issues with the same KB you're using that points to a problem with Samsung's U.S. ROMs. It would be interesting if someone would hard reset their device and try the KB and mouse before loading any third party apps to see if it makes a difference. If it does, people can start to compare notes to figure out which third party app(s) are borking BT connectivity.
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Here's something to try. BT and 2.4GHz Wi-Fi share the same wireless band and sometimes the same antenna(s). See if you're still have disconnect issues with Wi-Fi off and/or connecting to 5GHz instead of 2.4GHz. Just trying to think of things that could be different between international and U.S. N10.1-14 versions.
Okay this was tested with zero apps loaded and at each US firmware update.
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You'll find this post from another thread even stranger...
I don't know if @ChrisNee1988 is from the U.S. but if he is and using a U.S. N10.1-14 on the same s/w you are that points to something most likely s/w related on your particular device that's causing the issue(s). If @ChrisNee1988 is using a non-U.S. N10.1-14 and has no issues with the same KB you're using that points to a problem with Samsung's U.S. ROMs. It would be interesting if someone would hard reset their device and try the KB and mouse before loading any third party apps to see if it makes a difference. If it does, people can start to compare notes to figure out which third party app(s) are borking BT connectivity.
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Here's something to try. BT and 2.4GHz Wi-Fi share the same wireless band and sometimes the same antenna(s). See if you're still have disconnect issues with Wi-Fi off and/or connecting to 5GHz instead of 2.4GHz. Just trying to think of things that could be different between international and U.S. N10.1-14 versions.
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I have a p600 us model so I'm not sure why you have bluetooth issues. I do have the logitech drivers installed on my computer and played around with the function settings but I doubt that would affect connectivity.
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Okay this was tested with zero apps loaded and at each US firmware update.
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I notice in your sig that you're rooted. Did this happen before you rooted too? I know it shouldn't matter but rooting disables the camera in the Sony XZ1 so stranger things have happened. I'm bone stock BTW.
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I notice in your sig that you're rooted. Did this happen before you rooted too? I know it shouldn't matter but rooting disables the camera in the Sony XZ1 so stranger things have happened. I'm bone stock BTW.
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Actually that's referring to my 2012 note 10.1. The 2014 model is stock.
If you are content with the low resolution, it's not a huge upgrade. I actually wish the new Note had more bezel and tapered edges, so the smaller size doesn't impress me much. For me though I could never stand the low res after owning 720p phones. I can't believe people can say it's not night and day between 1280x800 and 2560x1600. It's a HUGE difference, 4x as sharp. My wife upgraded from the old Note because her S4 spoiled her eyes and she just couldn't stand the low res anymore. She could have gotten an iPad Air like all the sheep and saved $50 but nope. I trained her well so she hates Apple as much as I, lol.
Also worth noting that a lot of games render at 1280x800 still, like Real Racing 3 and Asphalt 8, so if you're a big time gamer you might consider that as well.
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If you are content with the low resolution, it's not a huge upgrade. I actually wish the new Note had more bezel and tapered edges, so the smaller size doesn't impress me much. For me though I could never stand the low res after owning 720p phones. I can't believe people can say it's not night and day between 1280x800 and 2560x1600. It's a HUGE difference, 4x as sharp. My wife upgraded from the old Note because her S4 spoiled her eyes and she just couldn't stand the low res anymore. She could have gotten an iPad Air like all the sheep and saved $50 but nope. I trained her well so she hates Apple as much as I, lol.
Also worth noting that a lot of games render at 1280x800 still, like Real Racing 3 and Asphalt 8, so if you're a big time gamer you might consider that as well.
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Getting mine tomorrow... and am glad that games still render at 1280x800... Asphalt8 in max is sometimes slow on my old 10.1 and in 2500x1600 it would be to much for the new Note 2014
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The upgrade from the old 10.1 to the new 10.1 is huge for me. The old 10.1 made my eye balls bleed when reading for more then a few minutes.. the resolution is huge when it comes to text. The new 10.1 is pleasure to read books on..
The rest is about the same. True, the new s note is pretty bad.. but i use lecturenotes exclusively anyway.. much better note taking app.
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Coming from the previous Note 10.1 the weak point for me was the resolution... Im so glad they decided to leave 720p behind.
The fit and finish are much better to me as well and i love this tablet and cannot see getting another, unless the 2015 is better!
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Coming from the previous Note 10.1 the weak point for me was the resolution... Im so glad they decided to leave 720p behind.
The fit and finish are much better to me as well and i love this tablet and cannot see getting another, unless the 2015 is better!
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It was the much improved screen resolution that persuaded me to upgrade from the gen 1 Note 10.1, the screen on the 2014 is leagues ahead. When I bought the original note I never envisaged using it for much reading, but thanks to Taptu, Pocket, EZpdf and Moon Reader, I used it far more than I expected for reading. The 2014 has a whole more grown-up feel to it (this is probably also helped because I've bought a black one this time around!). the original note was a very good tablet, the 2014 is a fantastic tablet.
I did have a small amount of lag when I first got the 2014, but this has gone by reducing the animation settings. Yes it's a great upgrade to the original Note 10.1 IMHO, but of course this may depend if your expectations differ.
After tweaking (aka stopping Samsungs 10 million programs from running in the background constantly) this tablet has been perfect. I understand them doing it for the popular "experience" but you know us on this website aren't your average users..so I don't need the dog and pony show lol. Which why lag is gone and battery lasts longer.
I've had about 8 tablets in my life, this has been the best, and not just because it's the newest. It has everything I need. High res, long battery, runs everything, built quality (my 3rd samsung tablet and they finally got build down), great size and weight....sd card.
Honestly I don't care about the pen I'm just a tablet fan.
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That lag throughout the OS. Its there and if you deny it you are just in denial because you don't want to admit got paid 600 for something that lags. The OS is also a mess in terms of UI out of the box but there are hidden ways to fix it. Took me forever to figure out how to get rid of those smart action notifications, I had switched to nova launcher but they kept showing up in my notification bar. Speaking of the notification bar reconfigured to mostly be a settings bar, if you scroll to the right at the top of the bar and click edit, you can get your notification space back.
There is lag. It's like when you swipe a long list for example, the page "stick" and you have to wait for a millisecond before swiping again. Some apps take few seconds more to open too. I rooted yesterday and customized the **** out of my phone. Removed bloatware and unwanted features. Changed the font to Roboto. Still kinda feel it is a tad slower than my Z Ultra with GPe. Makes me wonder how this G3 is going to shine with stock Android on it.
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There is lag. It's like when you swipe a long list for example, the page "stick" and you have to wait for a millisecond before swiping again. Some apps take few seconds more to open too. I rooted yesterday and customized the **** out of my phone. Removed bloatware and unwanted features. Changed the font to Roboto. Still kinda feel it is a tad slower than my Z Ultra with GPe. Makes me wonder how this G3 is going to shine with stock Android on it.
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i've noticed scrolling lag in virtually every flagship i've owned. (m8, n5, note3, g2)
the only time i had zero scrolling lag was on my n5 when i was on the L preview.
outside of milliseconds of hesitation when scrolling, this phone flies.
if it doesn't you screwed it up or are a liar.
(see how ridiculous that kind of statement sounds?)
I'm not trying to start a debate here or anything I'm just saying what I am experiencing with the phone. Naturally I am expecting more out of this phone than any other flagship phone I have because it is above and beyond better (or as the specs would have me believe).
Like for example swiping from the left in the xda app or the google plus app show the menu. On the G3 there is a noticeable delay before the menu shows. In my Z Ultra the menu just shows smoothly and follows my finger as I move it. It's not as smooth as on the G3.
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keithleyson said:
I'm not trying to start a debate here or anything I'm just saying what I am experiencing with the phone. Naturally I am expecting more out of this phone than any other flagship phone I have because it is above and beyond better (or as the specs would have me believe).
Like for example swiping from the left in the xda app or the google plus app show the menu. On the G3 there is a noticeable delay before the menu shows. In my Z Ultra the menu just shows smoothly and follows my finger as I move it. It's not as smooth as on the G3.
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I returned the G3 after 12 days because of it. When I was trying to quickly multitask it was bad and the frame rate drops were annoying me also. I could accept it at first but eventually it drove me mad and this was after I rooted and debloated. I'm waiting on the more powerful 2k phones until I get one.
keithleyson said:
Changed the font to Roboto.
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How did you manage this?
I've added Roboto TTF font files to my "system/fonts" folder, but they don't appear in the "settings -> font type" menu.
Are they kept in a different folder to stock?
No, no. Don't manually copy them. Use ifont or font changer or romtoolbox. Whatever app you use just be careful as in my experience messing too much with font can cause bootloops. And without any custom recoveries available for the G3 as of this moment you'd be stuck. I personally used all of those three and I find ifont better as it replaces the whole set and all weights not just the default.
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Batfink33 said:
I returned the G3 after 12 days because of it. When I was trying to quickly multitask it was bad and the frame rate drops were annoying me also. I could accept it at first but eventually it drove me mad and this was after I rooted and debloated. I'm waiting on the more powerful 2k phones until I get one.
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I still like the phone in general. And I can't exchange it with another brand or model as this is subsidized by a carrier. But I plan to buy an M8 in a few months and convert it to a GPe version.
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keithleyson said:
No, no. Don't manually copy them. Use ifont or font changer or romtoolbox. Whatever app you use just be careful as in my experience messing too much with font can cause bootloops. And without any custom recoveries available for the G3 as of this moment you'd be stuck. I personally used all of those three and I find ifont better as it replaces the whole set and all weights not just the default.
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I still like the phone in general. And I can't exchange it with another brand or model as this is subsidized by a carrier. But I plan to buy an M8 in a few months and convert it to a GPe version.
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The M8 is the smoothest Android phone I've ever used, even on stock . The frame rate is consistent and it hardly ever lags. The only problem is, it's got a terrible camera.
I must agree with the people who experience lag and delays throughout the system. My first impression also was that it wasn't blazing fast, at least not at fast as I expected... But I did not buy this phone for the lg system/ecosystem. The first thing I did: install nova launcher prime. And I must say I have a smoother experience in the launcher department thanks to it.. For the rest: apps run fast, multitasking runs fairly smooth (although sometimes my recent apps are empty for some reason - just go back to home and my recent apps reappear).
I am not going to say this is a beast of a phone but it is decent, especially when you take in count all those pixels it has to push.
If you don't like it, feel free to change. But I am sure there are a lot of persons who really like this phone, including me.
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The M8 is the smoothest Android phone I've ever used, even on stock . The frame rate is consistent and it hardly ever lags. The only problem is, it's got a terrible camera.
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And the bezels are behemoth! Oh and too tall for my liking but yes it's smooth and boomsound!
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I don't understand what you people are doing to see lag on this phone.. Although I've seen many posts saying that the T-Mobile version is much snappier than the att version.. Maybe due to bloat? Idk I'm completely stock running the GEL launcher and it's so much smoother than my nexus 5 (on L) or gs5
I dont have any lag issues and am running nova anyway.
The phone has its issues but i think its worth persevering with because its decently priced, the screen is excellent and you can actually do things about the battery life and screen with little or no effort. The camera on this thing really is great.
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And the bezels are behemoth! Oh and too tall for my liking but yes it's smooth and boomsound!
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Yeah, seems all the flagships have lots of positives and negatives at the moment.
Derekwolfee said:
I don't understand what you people are doing to see lag on this phone.. Although I've seen many posts saying that the T-Mobile version is much snappier than the att version.. Maybe due to bloat? Idk I'm completely stock running the GEL launcher and it's so much smoother than my nexus 5 (on L) or gs5
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I'm with you. My only experience with Android devices is the Nexus 4 and Nexus 5, which is said to be the smoothest Android experience available. I just don't see this lag that people go on and on about. Then again, I'm a minimalist user so I got rid of the weather widget, I got rid of the animations(which is the same thing I do on the Nexus 4 and 5 anyway). I still use the LG stock launcher and I am using ART
Believe me, since I work from home I use my phone a lot. I dunno, maybe it's faulty units, maybe the device just works well for me because of my minimalistic settings. I have certainly disabled and uninstalled as much bloat as I could without needing root access.
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The M8 is the smoothest Android phone I've ever used, even on stock . The frame rate is consistent and it hardly ever lags. The only problem is, it's got a terrible camera.
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The camera on the m8 is beyond bad. What was htc thinking with 4mp, you can't zoom, expand, or crop at all.
This phone reminds me of the Motorola Droid X2, great specs on paper but poor performance. Music would actually skip on the x2 if you tried to do something else while listening. That's similar to the scale of the aux bug on this phone.
after debloating and switching launchers (nova) i have found no more than the occasional lag i've seen in every other flagship (i've had them all aside from the gs5)
as for the sidebar stutter, i've never had that happen either, the only consistent stutter i get is scrolling lag in facebook, which i've seen in every other phone aside from the nexus 5 while on the L preview.
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keithleyson said:
I'm not trying to start a debate here or anything I'm just saying what I am experiencing with the phone. Naturally I am expecting more out of this phone than any other flagship phone I have because it is above and beyond better (or as the specs would have me believe).
Like for example swiping from the left in the xda app or the google plus app show the menu. On the G3 there is a noticeable delay before the menu shows. In my Z Ultra the menu just shows smoothly and follows my finger as I move it. It's not as smooth as on the G3.
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sorry, i meant to quote the OP
Some phones exhibit choppy scrolling, especially when navigating long web pages when multiple apps are running in the background. Rate this thread to express how you smooth scrolling feels on the ZTE Axon 7 under such conditions. A higher rating indicates that scrolling is always buttery smooth, even when you're reading a 10,000 word article on "how to kiss a girl".
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
I have not encountered any scrolling stutters at all. Very smooth.
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I have not encountered any scrolling stutters at all. Very smooth.
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I have slight choppiness in all browsers some worse than others. That's with no other apps opened in the background. I must be the only one.
8.5
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I have not encountered any scrolling stutters at all. Very smooth.
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If I may ask, what version do you have?
Btw, I have the U.S variant.
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8.5
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10 would be a perfect device without any choppiness. So 8.5 is with a little choppiness or slight hesitation?
May I also ask what version you have?
Maybe this problem I'm having is only effecting the
U.S version.
Thanks.
Yaya444 said:
If I may ask, what version do you have?
Btw, I have the U.S variant.
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I also have the USA version
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I also have the USA version
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OK thanks.
I also noticed a little skip while scrolling in aida64.
Tried turning off smart power thinking it may affect the performance but no luck.
Seems pretty smooth to me. I wonder how much of that is the phone and how much is the limitations of ZTE's ROM. Kinda hard to compare it to something like the Nexus 6P that is running a perfect blend of software for the hardware. I did notice the Nexus 6P (nougat) might have been ever so slightly smoother but this might have just been the nice animations.
The AMOLED display might be throwing some people off though. If you are displaying a pure black background with colored text (reddit apps) the AMOLED display will turn off pixels it detects as pure black. This can make the image look flickery or stuttery if you're scrolling through text. You get use to it but at first it can look like there's something wrong. If you don't like it you can always switch to a dark background instead of a black one at the expense of saved battery power.
After using a nexus 6p with Qualcomm 810 and the ZTE axon 7 with 820, It's my strong opinion that it's a Qualcomm problem with these two socs. The exonos 8890 in the s7 and 7s edge is a 100% smooth with all browsers. Apps open faster and games are smoother. Perhaps Samsung optimized
The exonos for TouchWiz. However I have a tab s
That has a exonos 5 octacore and is very sluggish,
Probably due to being underpowered for that qhd screen.
Yaya444 said:
After using a nexus 6p with Qualcomm 810 and the ZTE axon 7 with 820, It's my strong opinion that it's a Qualcomm problem with these two socs. The exonos 8890 in the s7 and 7s edge is a 100% smooth with all browsers. Apps open faster and games are smoother. Perhaps Samsung optimized
The exonos for TouchWiz. However I have a tab s
That has a exonos 5 octacore and is very sluggish,
Probably due to being underpowered for that qhd screen.
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That's interesting, I have no experience with modern exynos phones, but the 820 does absolutely everything buttery smooth unless the phone is charging (heats up and throttles)