Hey people,
New to wireless charging here, my girlfriend just bought a wireless charger for my birthday. Just one question, when you are charging and you need to use the phone, should I pick it up or leave it there and try to use? I mean, if I keep picking it up to use, wouldn't the constant charging/stopping damage the battery? Please help me out!
Thank you!
jackhayden said:
Hey people,
New to wireless charging here, my girlfriend just bought a wireless charger for my birthday. Just one question, when you are charging and you need to use the phone, should I pick it up or leave it there and try to use? I mean, if I keep picking it up to use, wouldn't the constant charging/stopping damage the battery? Please help me out!
Thank you!
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No, it's fine. Pick it up as many times as you want. I have different wireless pads scattered throughout my house, office and car, that it will not "hurt" it.
It's probably fine. But if by constant you mean literally every 5 seconds then maybe not.
Also there's a xposed mod to disable the sound every time you put it on the pad if they annoy you too constantly.
BTW it'd be great if I had a techy girlfriend
thanks for the comments guys
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No, it's fine. Pick it up as many times as you want. I have different wireless pads scattered throughout my house, office and car, that it will not "hurt" it.
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uh yeah, no thanks, charge cycles take their toll on the battery.
people like this are why batteries have to be replaced.
Personally, it's only $15 to do yourself, so not a big deal. Just don't tell people it's fine. Get a degree in Electrical Engineering then tell me it's fine
thor1k said:
uh yeah, no thanks, charge cycles take their toll on the battery.
people like this are why batteries have to be replaced.
Personally, it's only $15 to do yourself, so not a big deal. Just don't tell people it's fine. Get a degree in Electrical Engineering then tell me it's fine
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AFAIK li-ion batteries does not suffer from any memory effect and they even last longer when kept charged. Battery charge cycles are still there as an indicator of the goodness of the battery from the manufacturer but they are related to a full cycle (eg how much current passes through the battery) but smaller charging cycles shouldn't be counted as full.
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I want to buy a wireless charger but I need some advices ^^
What's the best charger for you guys ? I mean what's the more efficient charger, the official from the Google play or others ?
thor1k said:
uh yeah, no thanks, charge cycles take their toll on the battery.
people like this are why batteries have to be replaced.
Personally, it's only $15 to do yourself, so not a big deal. Just don't tell people it's fine. Get a degree in Electrical Engineering then tell me it's fine
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Well I had my phone since released and before that used my Nexus 4 and used wireless chargers since then. You mean to tell me we all need EE degrees to use/charge our phones?
Just use the pads no need to "worry" about the battery. In some instances batteries will need replacement, but many replace their devices well before you see an issue.
I don't want to go to e-war about batteries. I am just going by personal experience. I have my N4 still, which my wife uses and still uses charging pad still no issues there either.
thor1k said:
uh yeah, no thanks, charge cycles take their toll on the battery.
people like this are why batteries have to be replaced.
Personally, it's only $15 to do yourself, so not a big deal. Just don't tell people it's fine. Get a degree in Electrical Engineering then tell me it's fine
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Could you provide some references for our edification? I admit I'm not the most knowledgeable on the subject but my understanding is that charge cycling is bad at or near full charge. I don't know that this a problem at lower charge levels (let's say <90%).
I don't have an EE degree but from what I understand newer batteries cycles are a full charge from 0-100. I read something on apples' website explaining this. So charging it twice from 50-100 would be one cycle.
Riekr said:
AFAIK li-ion batteries does not suffer from any memory effect and they even last longer when kept charged. Battery charge cycles are still there as an indicator of the goodness of the battery from the manufacturer but they are related to a full cycle (eg how much current passes through the battery) but smaller charging cycles shouldn't be counted as full.
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noppppppeeeeeeee, left at full charge lose 20% of capacity after 1 year. see:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
You might be right about the charge cycles, as most things seem to relate to amount of power transferred through the battery, and not 'depth of discharge" but honestly many people I've met who plug their phones in all the time to top up, end up having to get the battery replaced after a year. Apple product, ok no problem they do it free for like 2 years; but I've done nothing but run my batteries all the way down every time and slowcharge every night on USB-500mA (gentler current, kinder to battery, cooler temps, and even a slightly more thorough charge) (just 5% POSSIBLY 10% it's hard to say...probably 5%...I guess I should test this)
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kpjimmy said:
Well I had my phone since released and before that used my Nexus 4 and used wireless chargers since then. You mean to tell me we all need EE degrees to use/charge our phones?
Just use the pads no need to "worry" about the battery. In some instances batteries will need replacement, but many replace their devices well before you see an issue.
I don't want to go to e-war about batteries. I am just going by personal experience. I have my N4 still, which my wife uses and still uses charging pad still no issues there either.
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EE to charge? No, I'm just saying you might want to think twice before picking up 20 times a day from the pad. Better to get MightyText for when you're at your PC/work to text with.
the google charging pad IS better I would have less issues charging on one of those. However, I'm a cheapie, and use $10 chargers, which heat my phone usually to 40C for a full 0%-100% charge. Not best, but I have resigned myself to the reality of potentially replacing the battery in 18 months if I want the convenience of charging pads everywhere. You might wish to think this way as well. Also, after 18 months, maybe you could just charge it at every opportunity (at that point, who cares, you only need it for another 18 months probably) and that would be enough.
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but honestly many people I've met who plug their phones in all the time to top up, end up having to get the battery replaced after a year.
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All I know is since 1998 I charge my phones to 100% as often as I can find a charging device. I am the only one on my family plan of 5(the others run battery down daily to~30% or more) that doesn't replace their battery before their next upgrade. So my motto is *Top up every chance you get*.
Wiley_11 said:
All I know is since 1998 I charge my phones to 100% as often as I can find a charging device. I am the only one on my family plan of 5(the others run battery down daily to~30% or more) that doesn't replace their battery before their next upgrade. So my motto is *Top up every chance you get*.
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that's encouraging to hear I've never heard that before.
5pik3 said:
I want to buy a wireless charger but I need some advices ^^
What's the best charger for you guys ? I mean what's the more efficient charger, the official from the Google play or others ?
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Bought this for just 8,33 euro shipped (9.99 $) and works like a charm! :good:
thor1k said:
uh yeah, no thanks, charge cycles take their toll on the battery.
people like this are why batteries have to be replaced.
Personally, it's only $15 to do yourself, so not a big deal. Just don't tell people it's fine. Get a degree in Electrical Engineering then tell me it's fine
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I don't think we need a degree in EE... All you need to know about batteries is in this place: http://batteryuniversity.com/
Go a take a look at let those "dogmas" change.
Peace.
JeckaD said:
I don't think we need a degree in EE... All you need to know about batteries is in this place: http://batteryuniversity.com/
Go a take a look at let those "dogmas" change.
Peace.
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like I said-- Battery University also has applicable degrees
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noppppppeeeeeeee, left at full charge lose 20% of capacity after 1 year. see:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
You might be right about the charge cycles, as most things seem to relate to amount of power transferred through the battery, and not 'depth of discharge" but honestly many people I've met who plug their phones in all the time to top up, end up having to get the battery replaced after a year. Apple product, ok no problem they do it free for like 2 years; but I've done nothing but run my batteries all the way down every time and slowcharge every night on USB-500mA (gentler current, kinder to battery, cooler temps, and even a slightly more thorough charge) (just 5% POSSIBLY 10% it's hard to say...probably 5%...I guess I should test this)
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EE to charge? No, I'm just saying you might want to think twice before picking up 20 times a day from the pad. Better to get MightyText for when you're at your PC/work to text with.
the google charging pad IS better I would have less issues charging on one of those. However, I'm a cheapie, and use $10 chargers, which heat my phone usually to 40C for a full 0%-100% charge. Not best, but I have resigned myself to the reality of potentially replacing the battery in 18 months if I want the convenience of charging pads everywhere. You might wish to think this way as well. Also, after 18 months, maybe you could just charge it at every opportunity (at that point, who cares, you only need it for another 18 months probably) and that would be enough.
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Not sure if it makes a difference but nexus 5 uses newer li-po batteries not li-ion.
Related
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/03/12/3800mah-extended-battery-for-galaxy-nexus-selling-for-just-8/
I bought one, can't beat that price!
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Same ones are available on Ebay. I'm sure there's a review around here somewhere. I just can't find it.
Edit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1450898&highlight=3800
i glanced the title as $83800 battery lmao!
Is this just the battery itself or does it include the battery cover?
Edit: I found my own answer as it says on the page.
tempting.....anyone have experience with this brand?
masully84 said:
can't beat that price!
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I wouldn't be so sure. I'd bet $8 my OEM 2.1Ah battery will hold a longer charge in 3 months than this thing will. That's assuming it doesn't explode in a horrific pants accident that leaves you scarred and unable to have children before then.
I just ordered two. There was a 5% off the entire order promo code on the site and I used the free shipping one too. $26 for two. I will need extra battery life for some things I have coming up so even if they last as long as the 2150mAh I have now it will get me through the day.
I will let you know how they work.
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I wouldn't be so sure. I'd bet $8 my OEM 2.1Ah battery will hold a longer charge in 3 months than this thing will. That's assuming it doesn't explode in a horrific pants accident that leaves you scarred and unable to have children before then.
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Where did you get the 2100 OEM battery? How is it for you?
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I just ordered two. There was a 5% off the entire order promo code on the site and I used the free shipping one too. $26 for two. I will need extra battery life for some things I have coming up so even if they last as long as the 2150mAh I have now it will get me through the day.
I will let you know how they work.
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What's the 5% off coupon
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N/m, price went up. I'll just wait and get them off ebay if turns out to be any good.
cloney said:
Where did you get the 2100 OEM battery? How is it for you?
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i have the 2100 mah oem battery, i got it at verizon when it was on sale for 50% off, that battery gets me through the day(8-12 hours after finding the right rom/kernel combo) depending on usage, i just ordered the 3800 mah battery for $8 and i will post results but right now im satisfied with the oem battery but i would be happier if i can get at least 13-20 hours on my phone
Would anyone know if this was available for the galaxy nexuses distributed in Singapore? thanks
ATnTdude said:
I wouldn't be so sure. I'd bet $8 my OEM 2.1Ah battery will hold a longer charge in 3 months than this thing will. That's assuming it doesn't explode in a horrific pants accident that leaves you scarred and unable to have children before then.
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Highly scientific and fact based post, thanks. Because you know what happens when you assume things.
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The batteries finally arrived. I am trying to condition it now so that I can get a good read on how well it will work. Already I can see that it seems to hold a charge better than the 2050mAh battery.
I plan on doing some tests later this week to see how much better they work.
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Highly scientific and fact based post, thanks. Because you know what happens when you assume things.
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I agree with the post that you replied to. He didn't state the facts and science because maybe he doesn't know them, but hey, I do I used to be a battery pack designer for a components distributorship and worked directly with Panasonic, Sanyo, among other big name brands. For $8, the only way you could make a 3800mAh battery is if you used low grade cells from an unregulated source, and connected them with thin and basically worthless tabs. Additionally, the thermristors etc would be very cheap, meaning that they would not work very well when put under any kind of non-standard load or heat.
For the average Joe who only uses their device for phone calls and occasional data, no problem. You'd -most likely- be fine using this type of battery pack and get a good 4-6 months out of it before it stopped holding a charge at all. However, if you're loading custom ROM's or Kernel's on it and pushing the device beyond it's standard use, you're opening yourself up to unexpected results with this cheap of a battery. Would you hook up a window A/C unit with a 16 or 18 AWG extension cord (presuming you're using an extension cord at all)? No, you're putting yourself at a huge fire risk by doing that. You'd use a 12 AWG cord instead, so that it could handle the power being pulled by the A/C unit. Same thing with these batteries. If you use thin, worthless nickel (assuming they're nickel at all) and not the thickness to spec, it could heat up very quickly and cause damage to the cells, device, or worse.
I bought this exact battery on eBay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4800mAh-Ext...US_Rechargeable_Batteries&hash=item51a976ade9
It said it only worked with the i9300 Galaxy SIII in the ad, but when I got it, it fit fine into my SCH-I535. I am doing the initial charge on it now. Only problem is not having a pebble blue case but oh well
it seems to be charging much more slowly than the OEM battery but I guess that's to be expected with the higher capacity.
Ballsy. Def post some screen shots. Wanna see how this turns out.
At this point, my phone is just one big tweak.
Seems like a good price. Would love to see some screen shots of battery usage if at all possible.
I bought the one from gorilla gadgets.com that thing is the best $20 I've ever spent. Bought it in September and I still get over 6 hours screen time with almost every charge. You should check it out
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Seems like a good price. Would love to see some screen shots of battery usage if at all possible.
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here's one I took a few days ago. This battery seems to work better the harder you work it, kinda backwards of what you might think but hey oh well.
Agree. I'm also very impressed with my GG. I am on my 3rd complete cycle and had over 10hrs screen time, (in 2,5 days of use).
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Thanks a lot OP for the heads up on this good deal. I just bought myself one as well.
Quick question to people reading, to cycle the battery properly when you get it, you simple charge it to full in your phone, and then discharge it to zero percent. That's once cycle correct? This article I found said that you do that 4-6 times. Is that the correct amount of times?
http://dottech.org/17705/tip-condit...-longer-but-be-sure-to-condition-it-properly/
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here's one I took a few days ago. This battery seems to work better the harder you work it, kinda backwards of what you might think but hey oh well.
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Does the NFC work?
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VigilanteM2 said:
Thanks a lot OP for the heads up on this good deal. I just bought myself one as well.
Quick question to people reading, to cycle the battery properly when you get it, you simple charge it to full in your phone, and then discharge it to zero percent. That's once cycle correct? This article I found said that you do that 4-6 times. Is that the correct amount of times?
http://dottech.org/17705/tip-condit...-longer-but-be-sure-to-condition-it-properly/
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You may want to re-read the article you linked to. From the link.
Rather, to condition a new Li-ion battery, fully charge it; it should be allowed to charge for 7-8 hours on the first, initial charge. In other words, when you get your new cell phone – and it has a Li-ion battery – allow it to charge for 7-8 hours even if the cell phone claims to be fully charged. (It is preferable to use outlet charger vs car charger or USB charging via computer because of the voltage difference.) After that, there is no reconditioning necessary for Li-ion batteries since they don’t suffer from the “memory effect”. However, be sure to avoid fully draining/discharging the Li-ion battery as much as possible; every time a Li-ion battery is fully discharged, it loses battery power and life
Do you find that the battery drops very quickly from 100% to 90%? And then hovers at 90 for a much longer time?
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GTWalling said:
Does the NFC work?
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You may want to re-read the article you linked to. From the link.
Rather, to condition a new Li-ion battery, fully charge it; it should be allowed to charge for 7-8 hours on the first, initial charge. In other words, when you get your new cell phone – and it has a Li-ion battery – allow it to charge for 7-8 hours even if the cell phone claims to be fully charged. (It is preferable to use outlet charger vs car charger or USB charging via computer because of the voltage difference.) After that, there is no reconditioning necessary for Li-ion batteries since they don’t suffer from the “memory effect”. However, be sure to avoid fully draining/discharging the Li-ion battery as much as possible; every time a Li-ion battery is fully discharged, it loses battery power and life
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Thanks for the heads up on that. For some reason, I didn't even see the Li-Ion section, and the parts that I mentioned came from the Nickel-Cadmium section
No I don't think the NFC works, what do you expect for $9.86 shipped from China?
(buy it now price with free shipping: http://www.ebay.com/itm/4800mAh-Ext...214&pid=100011&prg=1005&rk=2&sd=350739453463&)
Any more Screenshots please? I'm mostly interested in Screen on time.
Have other people also bought this battery and can share their impression?
It'll work good for a while, but eventually the battery will last less and less longer, that's been my experience with cheap batteries, but even when the battery does "settle in" and not perform as well as it did in the beginning, it still performs better than stock (In times of battery life, couldn't comment on how safe it is and if it's efficient)
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It'll work good for a while, but eventually the battery will last less and less longer, that's been my experience with cheap batteries, but even when the battery does "settle in" and not perform as well as it did in the beginning, it still performs better than stock (In times of battery life, couldn't comment on how safe it is and if it's efficient)
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I can see that. After all every battery has a certain amount of battery cycles it can go through. But for me personally that wouldn't be a problem, because if You always cycle through several batteries, then even those very cheap batteries will last the lifetime of the phne.
I'm getting pissed with all the POS oem batteries for the S3 these days. Is going to Samsung direct my only option to get a GENUINE one? I don't see where they sell them and I don't trust eBay based on experience.
I know you can get them at Office Depot. Or you could at least, several months ago.
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voidcomp said:
I'm getting pissed with all the POS oem batteries for the S3 these days. Is going to Samsung direct my only option to get a GENUINE one? I don't see where they sell them and I don't trust eBay based on experience.
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Pick up some Anker 2200s on Amazon or similar store.
Who cares if battery is OEM? Just get one from a reputable company.
Aerowinder said:
Pick up some Anker 2200s on Amazon or similar store.
Who cares if battery is OEM? Just get one from a reputable company.
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I care. My experience with oem batteries has been miserable like many others.
voidcomp said:
I care. My experience with oem batteries has been miserable like many others.
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Then don't buy an OEM battery. Buy Anker instead.
voidcomp said:
I care. My experience with oem batteries has been miserable like many others.
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Zero Lemon is another good brand. Try this Amazon Link.
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Then don't buy an OEM battery. Buy Anker instead.
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Tried them. They suck just like the others. The contacts on Ankers wear out more quickly too.
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I know you can get them at Office Depot. Or you could at least, several months ago.
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Great I'll look into it.
Are you certain your issues are the batteries and not your setup and use of your device?
There are lots of things that can lead to miserable battery life even on the most solid of batteries.
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Are you certain your issues are the batteries and not your setup and use of your device?
There are lots of things that can lead to miserable battery life even on the most solid of batteries.
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Yes I'm certain. The genuine Samsung battery lasts much longer than the poor ones.
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Yes I'm certain. The genuine Samsung battery lasts much longer than the poor ones.
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I don't think that was Doc's question. I think he wanted to know if you are experiencing poor battery life due to the batteries or some issue with android setup that's causing immense drain ?
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I don't think that was Doc's question. I think he wanted to know if you are experiencing poor battery life due to the batteries or some issue with android setup that's causing immense drain ?
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I guess I'm confused. If the same phone is used in a manner consistent with whatever battery is used, what else could the explanation be?
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I guess I'm confused. If the same phone is used in a manner consistent with whatever battery is used, what else could the explanation be?
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Basically, you started down this path due to a drain on the Stock Battery right ? Would you be able to shed some light on that ?
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Basically, you started down this path due to a drain on the Stock Battery right ? Would you be able to shed some light on that ?
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Sure. Brand new phone just purchased. Very few programs installed. Battery used was purchased off eBay. When indicator light showed fully charged I unplugged. Battery remaining went immediately from 100% to 88%. After 6 hours of light use, battery was already down to 40%. Within 20 minutes it fell off the cliff and phone turned off ... basically fully discharged.
Next, stock battery installed. 1 day 12 hours later battery still shows 55% remaining.
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Sure. Brand new phone just purchased. Very few programs installed. Battery used was purchased off eBay. When indicator light showed fully charged I unplugged. Battery remaining went immediately from 100% to 88%. After 6 hours of light use, battery was already down to 40%. Within 20 minutes it fell off the cliff and phone turned off ... basically fully discharged.
Next, stock battery installed. 1 day 12 hours later battery still shows 55% remaining.
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In that case I'd recommend Monster ZeroLemon 7000 MAh again.People here on XDA have really tried to suck every drop of juice out of it. It had stood all that abuse very well. Buy it from Amazon so you have solid Return Policy in case of trouble.
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In that case I'd recommend Monster ZeroLemon 7000 MAh again.People here on XDA have really tried to suck every drop of juice out of it. It had stood all that abuse very well. Buy it from Amazon so you have solid Return Policy in case of trouble.
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Thanks, I'll seriously consider it though the added thickness is a concern. If I could get 2 extra batteries close to the performance of the stock battery and at a combined price close to the ZeroLemon I would be satisfied.
How long does it typically take to charge one of those monsters?
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Thanks, I'll seriously consider it though the added thickness is a concern. If I could get 2 extra batteries close to the performance of the stock battery and at a combined price close to the ZeroLemon I would be satisfied.
How long does it typically take to charge one of those monsters?
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I don't think their form factor would have issues with the SIII's casing.
I do believe they take roughly 4 hours or so with Samsung's original Charger. I don't have one myself so I have second hand information. It is true that if you have a Fast Charge Kernel, this is further reduced. I am guessing, if you charge off of a PC, of course it will practically take forever to finish :laugh:
My 1 year old stock battery goes me 3 days if on Standby all the time.It will last 1 & 1/2 to 2 days if I use conservatively.
Just fyi, fast charge kernels only make a difference when plugged into a PC and maybe a DC (car) outlet. And correct that the batteries should be the same size and ought to work fine. Only real thing to make note of is if you use any NFC features make sure the battery you get has this capability.
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Just fyi, fast charge kernels only make a difference when plugged into a PC and maybe a DC (car) outlet. And correct that the batteries should be the same size and ought to work fine. Only real thing to make note of is if you use any NFC features make sure the battery you get has this capability.
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Bit OT here, but my regular Kernel KT747, now (in recent version) has special code for the 11th pin of the MHT port. So I am given to understand the Fast Charge thus implemented actually affects the way it charges off wall. I am testing since yesterday.
The theory behind fast charge kernels is that when you plug into a PC it detects the data connection and limits charging to 500ma or so. Fast charge kernels allow you to disable the data connection, thereby fooling it into thinking it's plugged into a normal charger and bypassing that limit.
The extra pins don't have anything to do with charging. Only 4 of them do. Before fast charge kernels were introduced people would sometimes short two of the wires in the connector (usually with solder) to accomplish the same thing.
As I understand it the 11 pins are just used with the MHL adapter for HD output. They don't have anything to do with charging. Otherwise a basic USB cable probably wouldn't even work.
I believe there are a few in depth write-ups about fast charge kernels here on xda if you want to search for more info on it.
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So the stock charger that comes with the phone is a quick charger. Would using this charger every night to charge my phone kill the overall lifespan of the battery? Is it bad for the battery?
I don't think there's enough data to reliably say whether it's significantly decreasing the life, but fast charging does produce more heat which will theoretically degrade your phone quicker. I personally use a normal wall plug overnight and keep the quick charger by my desk in case I need a top-up during the day.
Here's some light reading:
http://pocketnow.com/2014/12/25/speed-chargers
https://www.reddit.com/r/nexus5x/comments/42xq9p/fast_charging_bad_for_battery_in_long_run/czegbzm
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I don't think there's enough data to reliably say whether it's significantly decreasing the life, but fast charging does produce more heat which will theoretically degrade your phone quicker. I personally use a normal wall plug overnight and keep the quick charger by my desk in case I need a top-up during the day.
Here's some light reading:
http://pocketnow.com/2014/12/25/speed-chargers
https://www.reddit.com/r/nexus5x/comments/42xq9p/fast_charging_bad_for_battery_in_long_run/czegbzm
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So the stock charger that comes with the phone is a quick charger. Would using this charger every night to charge my phone kill the overall lifespan of the battery? Is it bad for the battery?
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QC 3.0 significantly improves charging efficiency and heat reduction. Please don't confuse fast chargers with quick charge technology.
http://www.androidauthority.com/quick-charge-3-0-explained-643053/
I've read all that and still can't really decide if it's OK to use everytime
Quadrider10 said:
I've read all that and still can't really decide if it's OK to use everytime
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Of course it's fine to use it everyday, manufacturers wouldn't ship a charger with a phone that you shouldn't use.
geoff5093 said:
Of course it's fine to use it everyday, manufacturers wouldn't ship a charger with a phone that you shouldn't use.
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Pardon my cynicism but manufacturers get paid to sell phones. Slow degradation due to heat might have you buying a new one 20% sooner than if you slow charged. Not saying this is the case, but you have to look at the flip side of your argument too.
demi9od said:
Pardon my cynicism but manufacturers get paid to sell phones. Slow degradation due to heat might have you buying a new one 20% sooner than if you slow charged. Not saying this is the case, but you have to look at the flip side of your argument too.
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It would be a fine balance between that and having to deal with warranty issues from faulty chargers.
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My moto x pure battery is still in good condition after using qc2.0 for a year. I'd say it's all gonna be fine.
I plan to have this phone for a long time. 3-4 years. That's why I've been a little worried about using it.
Try testing it for yourself.
I haven't used any charger except the QC 3 that came with the phone yet, but I have noticed it gets pretty warm.
Plenty apps available to monitor your battery temp. (Link in my sig )
Heat is definitely bad for batteries.
As far as charge rate it's hard to say. Fast charging a car or marine battery is significantly degrading it. Not sure about the batteries used in modern tech. I would assume they can handle fast charging well given the only charger included is a rapid charger.
Use the QC3 charger for everyday charging. It will be fine. Discharging the battery is going to hurt more.
If you want to maximize it:
discharge no lower than around 40-50% or so.
charge it higher than 90%.
Have fun using your device.
demi9od said:
Pardon my cynicism but manufacturers get paid to sell phones. Slow degradation due to heat might have you buying a new one 20% sooner than if you slow charged. Not saying this is the case, but you have to look at the flip side of your argument too.
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Manufacturers wouldn't have customers buying another phone of theirs if their phones don't last long.
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Suggest Quick Charger for Redmi note 7
abu13 said:
Suggest Quick Charger for Redmi note 7
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In India, buying mi quick charger 3.0 is the wisest choice. I bought it with redmi note 7 @ Rs. 450 from Mi home. It's not the fastest, but surely saves around 1 hr for charging than the stock charger.
The faster you charge your phone the more heat it'll produce. Be careful and follow the guidelines since it could harm your device otherwise
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Suggest Quick Charger for Redmi note 7
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the charger that is included on RN7 Pro China is 18watts quick charger 3.0.. so look for something like this.. I haven't found QuickCharge 4.0 charger around me yet...
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MarvinMe said:
The faster you charge your phone the more heat it'll produce. Be careful and follow the guidelines since it could harm your device otherwise
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maximum watts suggested by xiaomi for RN7 / Pro is 18 watts.. so your phone is still safe with this chargers.. (but look for the original product just to be safe)
bhert01 said:
the charger that is included on RN7 Pro China is 18watts quick charger 3.0.. so look for something like this.. I haven't found QuickCharge 4.0 charger around me yet...
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maximum watts suggested by xiaomi for RN7 / Pro is 18 watts.. so your phone is still safe with this chargers.. (but look for the original product just to be safe)
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I have home 24W QC3.0 charger, I will test it if it works!
Probably is also important type of USB cable.
Use mi qc 3.0 charger
Using mi qc 3.0 charger, works well
What about this one?
https://www.gearbest.com/chargers-cables/pp_009664077039.html?wid=1349303
looks like gearbest propose it in a bundle with the Redmi Note 7.
https://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_009575346063.html?wid=1349303#goodsDetail
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for redmi note 7 any higher voltages over 4.4V can't do any good - it shrinks for sure the lifetime span best scenario at half so my advice is to keep up using the standard charger which is very healthy for your 4000mAh battery. Also when charging try not to get it full 100%, so you'll have after 3 years of use a battery as new as you bought it - of course no company or company service would agree with me, they need you buying a new phone as soon as possible - the truth is that used cautiously batteries are able to work at maximum capacity about over 600 discharge cycles
viki191 said:
Using mi qc 3.0 charger, works well
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1)is your mobile heating?, please mention temperature after charging upto 1 hour
2)how much time does it takes to charge say from 20% to 80%
3)you can use Accu battery (android app) for battery temperature and charging speed
Golem_ said:
for redmi note 7 any higher voltages over 4.4V can't do any good - it shrinks for sure the lifetime span best scenario at half so my advice is to keep up using the standard charger which is very healthy for your 4000mAh battery. Also when charging try not to get it full 100%, so you'll have after 3 years of use a battery as new as you bought it - of course no company or company service would agree with me, they need you buying a new phone as soon as possible - the truth is that used cautiously batteries are able to work at maximum capacity about over 600 discharge cycles
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Yeah, and using battery however you want you get 500 full cycles before battery goes down to like 80% capacity, which is still FINE. So difference is so little i will just enjoy my phone, instead of worrying about such things. Also who uses their phone more than 2 years?
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Yeah, and using battery however you want you get 500 full cycles before battery goes down to like 80% capacity, which is still FINE. So difference is so little i will just enjoy my phone, instead of worrying about such things. Also who uses their phone more than 2 years?
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I'm working in a field where drones are vital so I have to know a lot about Lithium battery
Your assumptions are correct but like 4 years ago, meanwhile things changed not in the best way
Worst step they made is overcharging - I bet you didn't know are actually overcharging, by increasing the load voltage from 4.2V to 4.4V they succeeded to push more in our battery... so that they stamp now 4000mAh where actually sits 3200mAh - the costs? it halves the life span or even worse. If you put over that "quick charge" suddenly your 500 cycles is a beautiful dream
Golem_ said:
I'm working in a field where drones are vital so I have to know a lot about Lithium battery
Your assumptions are correct but like 4 years ago, meanwhile things changed not in the best way
Worst step they made is overcharging - I bet you didn't know are actually overcharging, by increasing the load voltage from 4.2V to 4.4V they succeeded to push more in our battery... so that they stamp now 4000mAh where actually sits 3200mAh - the costs? it halves the life span or even worse. If you put over that "quick charge" suddenly your 500 cycles is a beautiful dream
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Technology advances, ofcourse engineers trying to fit more energy in as small body as possible, thats only logical way. These "newer" batterys with max 4.4V have different structure to the more common 4.2V, they have extra materials like graphene helping them withstand it. Anyways, even nexus 5x which was released 4years ago, have such battery. And if you google it, you will find plenty of scientific tests newer than 4 years, showing same degradation, around 500 full cycles till you lose like 20%. So again, i dont see a reason to worry. Ill better enjoy my phone. Even if my battery is ruined after 2 years, hell, new one costs 10euros max, ill just swap it and keep using it whatever way i want. I mean, technically you are right, they do overcharge them, and mah does go down as voltage goes down, its not really 4000mah, but practically, its not worth all the trouble. Just enjoy your device.
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Technology advances, ofcourse engineers trying to fit more energy in as small body as possible, thats only logical way. These "newer" batterys with max 4.4V have different structure to the more common 4.2V, they have extra materials like graphene helping them withstand it. Anyways, even nexus 5x which was released 4years ago, have such battery. And if you google it, you will find plenty of scientific tests newer than 4 years, showing same degradation, around 500 full cycles till you lose like 20%. So again, i dont see a reason to worry. Ill better enjoy my phone. Even if my battery is ruined after 2 years, hell, new one costs 10euros max, ill just swap it and keep using it whatever way i want. I mean, technically you are right, they do overcharge them, and mah does go down as voltage goes down, its not really 4000mah, but practically, its not worth all the trouble. Just enjoy your device.
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update - it looks like RN7 4Ah xiaomi batteries wears out pretty fast, lot of users using quick charge (which in RN7 case makes charging faster with 15min or so) report that at less than a month the SOT decrease from 9+ hours to under 7 hours. It seems like that the profit margins made that so xiaomi puts in their phones batteries using old common technology. Most probably you're right but only when about flagships
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update - it looks like RN7 4Ah xiaomi batteries wears out pretty fast, lot of users using quick charge (which in RN7 case makes charging faster with 15min or so) report that at less than a month the SOT decrease from 9+ hours to under 7 hours. It seems like that the profit margins made that so xiaomi puts in their phones batteries using old common technology. Most probably you're right but only when about flagships
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Lol. If this was true whole internet would be full of complains, redmi is sold worldwide now, so believe me, european buyers wouldnt stay silent if battery degraded after a month. You would be reading articles in every smartphone news site, but thats not the case, so obviously thats not true, i dont know where you are finding this false information. Also, SOT is the dumbest thing to measure battery capacity, as it can be influenced by many factors. Check actual battery capacity in mah with app like Gsam or BBS.
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Lol. If this was true whole internet would be full of complains, redmi is sold worldwide now, so believe me, european buyers wouldnt stay silent if battery degraded after a month. You would be reading articles in every smartphone news site, but thats not the case, so obviously thats not true, i dont know where you are finding this false information. Also, SOT is the dumbest thing to measure battery capacity, as it can be influenced by many factors. Check actual battery capacity in mah with app like Gsam or BBS.
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Ah, got it now, you're that kind of "I chose to believe" from matrix guy... not going to disturb you anymore with false information about machine world :laugh:
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Ah, got it now, you're that kind of "I chose to believe" from matrix guy... not going to disturb you anymore with false information about machine world :laugh:
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Show me 1 source of your information and we can discuss. Now you just talk nonsense out of your head . I can also create false nonsense, watch.
Edit: Update, a lot of users are reporting that battery is completely fine after months of using quick charge 4. We are good to go. Lmao.
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Show me 1 source of your information and we can discuss. Now you just talk nonsense out of your head . I can also create false nonsense, watch.
Edit: Update, a lot of users are reporting that battery is completely fine after months of using quick charge 4. We are good to go. Lmao.
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I think i earned my trust on this forum so no one to put under doubt my words - before asking things develop yourself cracking/hacking tools having tens of thousands of downloads, so to speak becoming a real xda member, then come back and I will show you tones of proves (you're a google fan, right? yeeep, google doesn't help sometime)... 'til then farewell rookie!
update: checked for your own useful threads, didn't find any... you don't want to share from your vastly knowledge?
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I think i earned my trust on this forum so no one to put under doubt my words - before asking things develop yourself cracking/hacking tools having tens of thousands of downloads, so to speak becoming a real xda member, then come back and I will show you tones of proves (you're a google fan, right? yeeep, google doesn't help sometime)... 'til then farewell rookie!
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Haha, so standart. So many words, and zero proof or sources. Yeah, cya buddy. I dont have anything to prove because im talking facts. You on the other hand, are talking nonsense out of your ass. And when asked for proof, you write 5 lines of self promoting, how wonderful of a xda member you are, Lmaooo ?? ive been on xda since 2008, "rookie". Im mature enough to not believe every nonsense i see, unlike you it seems. Yeah, sure, battery is degraded in RN7 after 1 month use... Lmao, do you seriously believe this nonsense yourself? All these batterys are basically the same, and most of oems use quick charge 4 because it is LICENSED and SAFE technology. But yeah, you probably know better than thousands of engineers thinking otherwise ? because you created a cheap chinese smartwatch tool, that makes your opinion much more valid than the rest of the world, and you need no proof, your words are enough. Jeesus, some people live in dellusional world... Ever heard of tesla cars? They use same batteries as in laptops, smartphones etc. Difference being, they use much higher voltages and amperages than we do. Yet the batteries are fine. They even give 5 years warranty. So how do you explain that? Let me guess, you cant, because you talk nonsense out of your ass, and when asked for proof, you start bragging about your simple mtk tool which has nothing to do with this topic lmao.
conclusion: don't buy a quick charger for RN7
kabeza said:
conclusion: don't buy a quick charger for RN7
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Yes, if you believe telltales and grandma's fairytails. If you believe facts and scientific tests, you are free to use it, because there is absolutely no facts pointing otherwise.