Hi. I have the wifi only version of the tab S 8.4 (T-700) and it has the Exynos 5 Octa 5420 chipset. I read that it is possible on other devices with the same chipset to reset the knox counter back to 0x0.
What do you think? Anyone has any experience with this?
LE: after reading the original thread carefully i noticed that it's not a simple software solution. Maybe can be done in a repair shop
we, as end-users, don't have the tools to do so. The flag is resetable we just don't know how to do it yet.
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we, as end-users, don't have the tools to do so. The flag is resetable we just don't know how to do it yet.
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Was talking to a sales type at BB about rooting/ROMs, etc and he related that often he's gotten tabs with Knox tripped. Says at the retail level he has the ability to reset Knox with software. Didn't press him but must say if true it would be the first I've heard of it.
I worked for Samsung at the store booth and we had no way to reset the counter or even flash stock firmware on a rooted device with much more tools and samsung specific software so i find that hard to believe lol. I am certain he was mistaken.
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I worked for Samsung at the store booth and we had no way to reset the counter or even flash stock firmware on a rooted device with much more tools and samsung specific software so i find that hard to believe lol. I am certain he was mistaken.
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That was pretty much what I thought also....
If it was user possible, Chainfire probably would have found a way to "reset" the efuse by now.
Maybe those with JTAG equipment might have a way, but not heard of it yet.
But unlikely a simple app will do it these days, all known exploits have been patched by Samsung.
Plenty of info on XDA discussions etc. I just take the risk and root, and if warranty is not honoured, bad luck, I know the risk before hand.
I lost my warranty void because of this knox **** counter huhuhu :crying::crying::crying:
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What does this truely mean. I just rooted via ODIN and my flag was tripped 0x1, does the flag geg tripped regardless if you root or install custom roms ?
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Seriously, there are tons of threads on this. You didn't do any research before rooting your phone?
Once tripped it can't be reset. If you planned on flashing roms, there it's no way around reporting the Knox flag. Now that you have already tripped it, you can't go back.
Whether or not it will effect you depends on how you use your phone, software out hardware issues you may have and if you try to get warrantee repair. For many it it's not a big deal.
I did do my research Im just asking a question maybe there was an update on how to change the void but obviously kot . Thanks anyway. Dont get all hyped thats what xda is for
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Hi, I got my note 3 recently and all i have done is just root my note 3 so far. but i have been doing some readings. from what i had found is Knox is a software on your phone, i am guessing and this is just a guess if you use the bloatware remover it might delete the knox program and files from your phone. It might trigger a reset on the counter. I remember reading the list of files it deletes, and it delete all of knox files and folder and a bunch of other stuff but you can edit the script to make it only delete the knox. It might delete the counter or reset it. And you can just reinstall it back and see if the counter is back at 0. remember i am just taking a guess here, does any 1 think this might work?
You cannot reset the Knox flag once it had been tripped.
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Hi, I got my note 3 recently and all i have done is just root my note 3 so far. but i have been doing some readings. from what i had found is Knox is a software on your phone, i am guessing and this is just a guess if you use the bloatware remover it might delete the knox program and files from your phone. It might trigger a reset on the counter. I remember reading the list of files it deletes, and it delete all of knox files and folder and a bunch of other stuff but you can edit the script to make it only delete the knox. It might delete the counter or reset it. And you can just reinstall it back and see if the counter is back at 0. remember i am just taking a guess here, does any 1 think this might work?
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Try that and you might blow the efuse they have with removing Knox.
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wow didn't know that
megaearth77 said:
wow didn't know that
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It what chain fire was afraid of and reason why triangle away won't work
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krelvinaz said:
Seriously, there are tons of threads on this. You didn't do any research before rooting your phone?
Once tripped it can't be reset. If you planned on flashing roms, there it's no way around reporting the Knox flag. Now that you have already tripped it, you can't go back.
Whether or not it will effect you depends on how you use your phone, software out hardware issues you may have and if you try to get warrantee repair. For many it it's not a big deal.
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So rude all that extra was not really needed on do your research. You were probably once new to something too
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Try that and you might blow the efuse they have with removing Knox.
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By just deleting Knox? Pretty sure lots of us have removed it by now and not blown any fuse. I deleted it right out of the box and my phone works just fine...
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By just deleting Knox? Pretty sure lots of us have removed it by now and not blown any fuse. I deleted it right out of the box and my phone works just fine...
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You didn't delete Knox fully or it would not have the counter. Trust me chain fire tried with no success. He has been one of the pioneers in getting things done and could not.
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Can someone explain to me what Knox does and why it get's "tripped"?
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You didn't delete Knox fully or it would not have the counter. Trust me chain fire tried with no success. He has been one of the pioneers in getting things done and could not.
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I was referring to what I quoted you saying about blowing an e-fuse by removing Knox. I'm not talking about the check component in the bootloader or wherever it's stored - just the software components that are very easily removable, and do not seem to have caused any adverse effects (aside from the arguably undesired Knox 0x1 flag).
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Can someone explain to me what Knox does and why it get's "tripped"?
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It's a component Samsung decided to build into their new phones and Android builds that is allegedly supposed to be helpful for device security, especially when used with a corporate mobile device system.
Currently, if you flash a phone that has Knox installed with non-factory ROM, Recovery software, etc an at-bootup counter is "permanently" tripped indicating that the device has been tampered with.
I put that word in quotes because we all know with enough time and resources someone will surely figure out a way to reset that counter, if not remove it altogether.
SHORT VERSION: it's a piece of garbage that Samsung and Tmo can use to not uphold your warranty (since it technically voids the entire warranty if you flash custom stuff).
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It's a component Samsung decided to build into their new phones and Android builds that is allegedly supposed to be helpful for device security, especially when used with a corporate mobile device system.
Currently, if you flash a phone that has Knox installed with non-factory ROM, Recovery software, etc an at-bootup counter is "permanently" tripped indicating that the device has been tampered with.
I put that word in quotes because we all know with enough time and resources someone will surely figure out a way to reset that counter, if not remove it altogether.
SHORT VERSION: it's a piece of garbage that Samsung and Tmo can use to not uphold your warranty (since it technically voids the entire warranty if you flash custom stuff).
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Guess I'll stay away from Samsung devices then. If I could get a Note 3 that has the camera features and S-Pen, I'd be happy.
Interesting, i got a few question i want to ask. I root my t mobile note 3 recently using the new method that don't trip the knox counter. And i install several apps that require root access. I know if you install custom rom it will trigger the knox, but i won't on my and its still stock at 4.3. My Question is what about apps that require root access? I got ES file explorer, es task manager, game guardian, cachemate for root users free, cpu tuner, and titanium backup, does those trigger the knox? And is efuse short for eletronic fuse? if it is, can't you just replace it to undo the knox?
Apps don't trigger the Knox flag, flashing a kernel roms etc do. Efuse is in the snapdragon processor.
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I was referring to what I quoted you saying about blowing an e-fuse by removing Knox. I'm not talking about the check component in the bootloader or wherever it's stored - just the software components that are very easily removable, and do not seem to have caused any adverse effects (aside from the arguably undesired Knox 0x1 flag).
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It's a component Samsung decided to build into their new phones and Android builds that is allegedly supposed to be helpful for device security, especially when used with a corporate mobile device system.
Currently, if you flash a phone that has Knox installed with non-factory ROM, Recovery software, etc an at-bootup counter is "permanently" tripped indicating that the device has been tampered with.
I put that word in quotes because we all know with enough time and resources someone will surely figure out a way to reset that counter, if not remove it altogether.
SHORT VERSION: it's a piece of garbage that Samsung and Tmo can use to not uphold your warranty (since it technically voids the entire warranty if you flash custom stuff).
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It voids Samsung warranty not TMOBILE. So ur good for 1 year
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Yes, Knox is Samsung thing, T-mo has nothing to do with it and some people already suggested, T-mo doesn't even check Knox flag for replacements etc, at least so far. I asked here before if it's e-fuse and got different answers, so I ask again : are we sure it's e-fuse or we just speculating? The reason is, there was a guy in international forum claiming Samsung reset his Knox flag, which would be not possible with e-fuse. BTW I just updated my old GS3 to 4.3 and it added Knox to it, so I got mad and rooted it to just to delete this stupid Knox, so now how do I check that flag on it? It says custom because is rooted, but where is the Knox flag?
You see the Knox setting when you put your phone in download mode.
As for resetting the Knox flag, I've not seen a confined resetting of it or better said, if it can be done, no one outside of Samsung has been able to do it and prove they have.
So I've been searching around and have not found out the answer to these questions... I'm assuming the answer is "Yes" to the first but want to confirm:
If the KNOX flag is tripped, the KNOX software will no longer work. Ever (assuming we never get a 0x0 reset). Correct?
Now for the next question, assuming "No":
If I use the RDLV to root without tripping KNOX, will the KNOX software still work?
I ask because my company does have MDM and supports KNOX and I may want to use it in the future.
Just now, first time reading about this Knox bit. I just this morning purchased from Best Buy a Galaxy Tab S 8.4" tablet. Going to old habits, I immediately look to a rooting method, and what some of the more popular ROMs are. But just curious on feedback, should I be worried about this Knox bit? If I ever have to return to stuck for a warranty claim, are they immediately able to tell that bit has been flipped? Does flipping the bit really lead to potential overheating and other issues?
Thoughts?
Well.. Someone claimed that they got warrenty repaired even if knox was tripped. And it was a power button defect. And someone else said that they still had to pay since they tripped knox.
So its a 50/50 chance that samsung will repair your tab s if knox is tripped. I too was worried. Rooted and tripped knox and had no hardbricks so far. Twrp and odin saves me from softbricks but odin can fail sometimes.
To answer your question: knox being tripped doesnt do anything it just trips an efuse and say that knox is tripped. It doesnt overheat or nothing. If you return it for warrenty claim they can tell if it was tripped. Some may not check some do. Hope this helps!
That does help, thank you!!!
I have two more questions:
1) If I have a hardware failure I can't fix myself, can I still pay to have it fixed by an authorized Samsung person? I understand it just wouldn't be covered under warranty.
2) It's not clear to me if it's tripped on whatever rooting changes (guessing so), or if it's when ROMs are loaded. Assuming it's rooting (which must typically bring new kernel?), does anything thing there's a chance that if we hold out that someone will find a rooting method that won't trip it. I stumbled across the Galaxy Tab Pro section and I see they claim to have a rooting method that doesn't trip the bit. So wondering if I suffer without root for a while if we might see such a thin here? Mind you, I know no one is a fortune teller.
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That does help, thank you!!!
I have two more questions:
1) If I have a hardware failure I can't fix myself, can I still pay to have it fixed by an authorized Samsung person? I understand it just wouldn't be covered under warranty.
2) It's not clear to me if it's tripped on whatever rooting changes (guessing so), or if it's when ROMs are loaded. Assuming it's rooting (which must typically bring new kernel?), does anything thing there's a chance that if we hold out that someone will find a rooting method that won't trip it. I stumbled across the Galaxy Tab Pro section and I see they claim to have a rooting method that doesn't trip the bit. So wondering if I suffer without root for a while if we might see such a thin here? Mind you, I know no one is a fortune teller.
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1. If they check you tripped knox and denied your warranty claim, I belive they will ask you the option to pay for the fix. Though I cant be sure as thats what I heard but im pretty sure.
2. Well cfautoroot flashes root and reverts your recovery back to stock. Um.. With the towelroot method of not tripping knox... For the tab pro you downgrade your kernel/build. Though no one has tried downgrading their kernel to like a build before towelroot was patched for the tab s.. I dont know if it will work for the tab s.
I dont even know if we will see a universal root like towelroot. Geohotz is working for google and isnt updating towelroot for newer devices. But there is a huge bounty for rooting the note4 or something like that. But the chances of it working for other devices are pretty low. Hope this helps!
So I know how to root and unroot and how to use triangle free but I heared about knox software and they say it can be tripped
So I unroot &uninstall root software, use triangle and put stock firmware from sam firmware website back on.
Is my warranty back on at this point or they can check bootloader and knox to find out that I have rooted before.
If its not back tell me what else to do.
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Tripping knox isn't reversibel.
But usually that doesn't matter in warranty cases.
If you have a defective device and have knox tripped, you should be fine as it wasnt your fault. Someone( xda user formeriphoney) had a faulty power button, then later and faulty chip or something cuasing it not to turn on. He get it all replaced by samsung and he was even running cm11 when he sent it to him.
Basically you cant untrip knox. And its a 50/50 chance of samsung servicing it because of an defective part.
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If you have a defective device and have knox tripped, you should be fine as it wasnt your fault. Someone( xda user formeriphoney) had a faulty power button, then later and faulty chip or something cuasing it not to turn on. He get it all replaced by samsung and he was even running cm11 when he sent it to him.
Basically you cant untrip knox. And its a 50/50 chance of samsung servicing it because of an defective part.
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So whats the point of unrooting and using triangle free if they can figure out that you rooted your device from checking knox records?
Anyway on my new tablet I cant even find knox maybe it's not protected by knox???. (Galaxy s4 phone has it and its visible)
Thanks for helping
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So whats the point of unrooting and using triangle free if they can figure out that you rooted your device from checking knox records?
Anyway on my new tablet I cant even find knox maybe it's not protected by knox???. (Galaxy s4 phone has it and its visible)
Thanks for helping
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Triangle free wont work. Newer devices have a knox that cant be untriped.
To see knox status, go into download mode and it should say "knox 0x0" and if you triped it it should say "knox 0x1"
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So I know how to root and unroot and how to use triangle free but I heared about knox software and they say it can be tripped
So I unroot &uninstall root software, use triangle and put stock firmware from sam firmware website back on.
Is my warranty back on at this point or they can check bootloader and knox to find out that I have rooted before.
If its not back tell me what else to do.
Samsung galaxy tab s 10.5. SM-T800
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Would never think about rooting if google hadn't messed with kitkat's sd card permission. Hate google
New to all this but I was worried to root my new device because I keep hearing about this knox. I got a feeling my device will need warranty one day. The power button is just so flimsy I can't see it not breaking, getting stuck. I wouldn't think it would matter if I messed with the software and a button got stuck but you never know. I would hate to give them an excuse not to fix it if something goes wrong.
On a side note are the buttons a easy fix?
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New to all this but I was worried to root my new device because I keep hearing about this knox. I got a feeling my device will need warranty one day. The power button is just so flimsy I can't see it not breaking, getting stuck. I wouldn't think it would matter if I messed with the software and a button got stuck but you never know. I would hate to give them an excuse not to fix it if something goes wrong.
On a side note are the buttons a easy fix?
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In Europe tripping knox won't do anything to your warranty.
However, opening the device just to fix the buttons might harm your warranty, so I wouldn't do that myself.
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In Europe tripping knox won't do anything to your warranty.
However, opening the device just to fix the buttons might harm your warranty, so I wouldn't do that myself.
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I think I really want to root this device. I wonder how they treat warranty claims in Canada, I'm in Toronto.
I was asking on how easy it is to fix smaller things on the device so I can make a decision on if I should root. If its fairly easy maybe I'll take my chances and if anything happens I can try to fix it myself. We also have a lot of small repair places around here that can be fairly cheap, as long as nothing big happens.
Hi,
after a long time using iPhone i switched to Android (Note 10+ Exy.
I considered to root it but dont want to loose all Samsung Apps etc. I found a Website called knoxreset.com which tells you that it can put the knox back to 0x0 and "restore" all Samsung Apps.
I tried to find some reviews about this Website but found nothing. I know that Knox now a days has something to do with the Hardware and as im a newbie, i wanted to ask you guys if this is legit or a scam ?
They sell it rn for 45 Dollars.
Thanks for any help!
Scam
raul6 said:
Scam
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Okay, i'll stay away from it
Shxckz said:
Hi,
after a long time using iPhone i switched to Android (Note 10+ Exy.
I considered to root it but dont want to loose all Samsung Apps etc. I found a Website called knoxreset.com which tells you that it can put the knox back to 0x0 and "restore" all Samsung Apps.
I tried to find some reviews about this Website but found nothing. I know that Knox now a days has something to do with the Hardware and as im a newbie, i wanted to ask you guys if this is legit or a scam ?
They sell it rn for 45 Dollars.
Thanks for any help!
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I would go with a scam... Tripping knox literally blows an efuse. Once it blown that's it... It is blown for good on that motherboard.
The site is misleading in what it does. The app involves rooting (or uses existing root on) the phone, installs (possibly uses if exists) a custom recovery and merely makes the trip counter looks like it wasn't tripped (it does not actually change the knox trip counter). It's a purely superficial mask and nothing more.. also if I recall correctly this is something you can do yourself.
Also the site says it doesn't effect knox, so any apps which depend on knox itself won't work.
https://support.samsungknox.com/hc/...-a-Knox-Warranty-Bit-and-how-is-it-triggered-
It's easy to fake reset Knox if you are rooted which is exactly what they are doing. It will fool some apps that won't work if knox has been tripped but it won't fool Samsung and as soon as you flash back stock then it will show Knox tripped. If you want root but won't to fake knox then there are guides out there
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It's easy to fake reset Knox if you are rooted which is exactly what they are doing. It will fool some apps that won't work if knox has been tripped but it won't fool Samsung and as soon as you flash back stock then it will show Knox tripped. If you want root but won't to fake knox then there are guides out there
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So it is possible to root, fake knox and use for example Samsung Pass or other apps that doesnt work with a tripped knox ? Thank you for your answer!
EDIT: I cant find any updated tutorial how to fake it properly, do you have any link for me ?
Shxckz said:
So it is possible to root, fake knox and use for example Samsung Pass or other apps that doesnt work with a tripped knox ? Thank you for your answer!
EDIT: I cant find any updated tutorial how to fake it properly, do you have any link for me ?
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No, banking apps, samsung pay, and other apps will not work, only some apps can be fooled by hiding root, just consider this before rooting, as for tripping knox, there are some cosmetic implementations that make knox look 0x0, but just for show, this can not in anyway be reversed, apps specifically looking for the e-fuse status, will never be fooled
The ONLY sure fire way known to reset KNOX is Motherboard replacement...
This will be expensive and will also change your IMEI and Serial number...
yeah it definitely looks like a scam website @scottusa2008 is definitely on the mark. once that efuse is blown, its blown.
Okay guys thank you very much for the help, ill do some more research and will probably go with the Dr. Ketan Rom
I'll close this Thread now
Ex developer of KNOX Reset (Disabler) application
Hi,
The application listed at KNOXReset.com cannot indeed reset the actual KNOX counter. It is also mentioned on the store page before purchasing the application now.
It has been designed to spoof the string in Odin mode and display 0x0(0) regardless of actual value. It works only on certain devices.
Also, it now includes modified S applications which work even on rooted devices.
Venus342
lolol... all it does is set a property to appear as not tripped.. smh.. ppl do anything for a quick buck these days
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Ex developer of KNOX Reset (Disabler) application
Hi,
The application listed at KNOXReset.com cannot indeed reset the actual KNOX counter. It is also mentioned on the store page before purchasing the application now.
It has been designed to spoof the string in Odin mode and display 0x0(0) regardless of actual value. It works only on certain devices.
Also, it now includes modified S applications which work even on rooted devices.
Venus342
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Where's the application brother
The other day I thought it would be a good idea to root my phone (S20 Ultra Exynos), as it's been many years since I've done it (S6 was my last rooted device).
Anyway, I kept running into issues with connecting to my watch, and getting payment apps working (on account of the root), and decided it was not worth the hassle.
So I unrooted the device via flashing stock firmware in ODIN and locked the bootloader.
I noticed my Samsung Health app didn't work, which was strange. Upon research, I found it was due to Knox being tripped - which was confirmed via downloading a checking app from the play store.
I know that there are patched S Health apps that would allow me to bypass knox, but is there is any way to reset the knox counter so that warranty is no longer void?
Are there also any other implications from this.
So far all my apps work fine, except for health.
Cheers!
It's a micro efuse inside the chipset that blows when you trip Knox.
The only way to fully undo it be to replace the mobo. Yeah... like Fort Knox.
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It's a micro efuse inside the chipset that blows when you trip Knox.
The only way to fully undo it be to replace the mobo. Yeah... like Fort Knox.
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Thought that might be the case.
Bloody Samsung, that's so ridiculous!
Oh well, I haven't seen any other issues with it tripping so far. Warranty is already void anyway since it's water damaged and have had the screen replaced by others.
Thanks!
You're welcome.
Samsung Pay won't work either or maybe Secure Folder. Not the end of the world...
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You're welcome.
Samsung Pay won't work either or maybe Secure Folder. Not the end of the world...
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Yeah definitely not the end of the world. I use google pay over samsung, and have never used the secure folder (I use Onedrive Vault).
Are there any other negative effects apart from Samsung Pay, Secure Folder, etc.? I just read that on some older devices the battery life was decreased as well? It's a shame that it can't be undone... I mean, what harm does it do if the phone was rooted (or even attempted to be rooted... it didn't even work!) once. Why should it forever be unsafe from then on? I want to use the phone as stock as possible, original firmware, no root, ...
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Are there any other negative effects apart from Samsung Pay, Secure Folder, etc.? I just read that on some older devices the battery life was decreased as well? It's a shame that it can't be undone... I mean, what harm does it do if the phone was rooted (or even attempted to be rooted... it didn't even work!) once. Why should it forever be unsafe from then on? I want to use the phone as stock as possible, original firmware, no root, ...
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because yes
123jonSLO said:
It's because samsung doesn't want you to root your phone and wants you to know that there are permanent consequences of you doing so.
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It's so you know the phone's security has been compromised. Rooting and custom roms makes troubleshooting much more difficult.
Can't blame them for not wanting to troubleshoot other people's firmware on top of their hardware.
Stock Samsung's are relatively easy to troubleshoot...
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It's so you know the phone's security has been compromised. Rooting and custom roms makes troubleshooting much more difficult.
Can't blame them for not wanting to troubleshoot other people's firmware on top of their hardware.
Stock Samsung's are relatively easy to troubleshoot...
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Yeah but knox stays tripped even if you reinstall the official firmware
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Yeah but knox stays tripped even if you reinstall the official firmware
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Because the bootloader was compromised. A core component to Knox security.