S-off - One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Alright, so I've been using HTC devices since the evo 4G,then moved to the evo lte, and then this phone (but finally on a GSM carrier)
The need to s-off has been offset by HTC's own unlock method to a certain point, but really $25 for an s-off? I'm not bashing the developer or the team for this business model, but where is this money going and more importantly, is it legal?
I would happily pay a modder that much to solder something to a pcb if that was the only way to get s-off, but then you see the actual effort in doing a craft everyday that merits payment. Every client needing a slightly different thing, or a certain customization. (solder pcb to get s-off, flash customized hboot =$25)
This to me is a classic monopoly style price that basically says "either fork over 4 hours worth of pay or sit their diddling your thumbs" and now it can never change because then all the people that bought the s-off will be angry if it becomes free.
Like I said, I'm all for supporting the developer for his time and commitment, but I just want people to chime in and convince me that the $25 is worth it compared to similar services of similar values, etc.

You only need to pay if Firewater doesn't work, so try that first.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2708464
As to why the dev of the other method asks $25... Because they can! seriously though, people pay. If you worked hard on a tool to bring S-OFF, and people were willing to pay $25 for it.. would you ask the money? Probably yes. I know I would.

Seriously... Sunshine worked great on mine.. I have the att version

Why do you think you need Soff?

thom109 said:
You only need to pay if Firewater doesn't work, so try that first.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2708464
As to why the dev of the other method asks $25... Because they can! seriously though, people pay. If you worked hard on a tool to bring S-OFF, and people were willing to pay $25 for it.. would you ask the money? Probably yes. I know I would.
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No I wouldn't. Unless every s-off the program gives costs him actual money.
I want s-off to change to dev edition

Art2Fly said:
No I wouldn't. Unless every s-off the program gives costs him actual money.
I want s-off to change to dev edition
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then pay the tariff, or figure out how to do it yourself
its just that simple

We can discuss it all day.... But it is what it is.
I payed ... So I could unlock my bootloader without using the HTC site and keeping my warranty. Assuming I can still return it to stock if I need warranty.

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[Q] s-off: only sunshine method?

hi. i've a "recent" m8. i've tried to s-off with firewater method but it doesn't run. the only method that work is sunshine, but, IMHO, $25 it's too much for a "simply" tool (firewater was FREE!!). there is a third method? or my only alternative is relock the phone and wait a free tool (if it ever comes out)?
sirio87s said:
hi. i've a "recent" m8. i've tried to s-off with firewater method but it doesn't run. the only method that work is sunshine, but, IMHO, $25 it's too much for a "simply" tool (firewater was FREE!!). there is a third method? or my only alternative is relock the phone and wait a free tool (if it ever comes out)?
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Nope, Sunshine is your only way. Firewater was 'free' but I donated to the Devs as they put a ton of work in to develop the exploits to give us S-OFF. $25 is cheap IMO
EddyOS said:
Nope, Sunshine is your only way. Firewater was 'free' but I donated to the Devs as they put a ton of work in to develop the exploits to give us S-OFF. $25 is cheap IMO
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i donate my little contribute to venom team (i use the viper rom) for example, but, i repeat, imho $25 is too much for a tool that rest for that specific phone (for example, if it was a app, you must install the app on all your phones/tabs!)....
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i donate my little contribute to venom team (i use the viper rom) for example, but, i repeat, imho $25 is too much for a tool that rest for that specific phone (for example, if it was a app, you must install the app on all your phones/tabs!)....
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You're entitled to your opinion, but in this instance there's no other way of gaining S-OFF so you have no choice if you want it...
If you update your M8 yes
sirio87s said:
hi. i've a "recent" m8. i've tried to s-off with firewater method but it doesn't run. the only method that work is sunshine, but, IMHO, $25 it's too much for a "simply" tool (firewater was FREE!!). there is a third method? or my only alternative is relock the phone and wait a free tool (if it ever comes out)?
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I updated via OTA my M8 so the firewater method doesn't work, I tried with sunshine method and works great :good:
I'm sorry but I have to laugh at these threads. These devs do this work for nothing. Sacrifice maybe jobs and family sleep and money to supply these methods for users. 25dollars is nothing if you bought the phone SIM free or even contract
snwman said:
I'm sorry but I have to laugh at these threads. These devs do this work for nothing. Sacrifice maybe jobs and family sleep and money to supply these methods for users. 25dollars is nothing if you bought the phone SIM free or even contract
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Absolutely agree, don't bother if you dont want to pay what is imo no different to paying for a network unlock code which is what you will also get with s-off. Do you realise how much hard work goes into things like this?
How often do you offer your services for free?!
You have a choice, no S-off or stump up and pay the developers a small amount for many many hours of hard work to completely unlock your phone.
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They offered it for free but had the option to donate. Now, clearly people didn't donate as, if they did, they wouldn't have to charge as the donations would cover the bricked device, etc. Now, if you don't wanna pay that's your choice but they're not gonna change the price so it's that or nothing
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i've understand and i've decided to relock the phone (the red text is enervating!). the sense is beautiful and the phone work great. peace!
For me was $25 well spent. Decided to do it now because who knows what's to come with updates... Made that mistake before a few years back and got stuck not being able to on a different model after update.
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its because we're so spoiled here on XDA, with all the great roms,tweaks,kernels, and more that are offered to us for free, that some folks freak out when something comes along they actually have to PAY for.
funny how people can come up with 700 dollars for a phone, but if it costs a small fraction of that to buy something that would enhance their experience, and help further the development of their device, they cant do it.
did anyone have tried it with the latest firmware 2.22
still waiting for 2.22 firmware to come to my tmobile phone..
Ok I get it...I think he's right I mean $25 is a lot and since there are tons of people that are buying a m8 and rooting it the devs should of charged $10 max..they are making more than enough off sunshine and tbh it's way more difficult to port roms over with tweaks then to create an s off tool. To be honest fire water should update s off and yes it should be free...s off is basically free for every other phone
gator9422 said:
Ok I get it...I think he's right I mean $25 is a lot and since there are tons of people that are buying a m8 and rooting it the devs should of charged $10 max..they are making more than enough off sunshine and tbh it's way more difficult to port roms over with tweaks then to create an s off tool. To be honest fire water should update s off and yes it should be free...s off is basically free for every other phone
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My 2 cents
I agree that $25 sounds like a lot, maybe they decided to charge that because it works on phones that firewater cannot s-off. who knows... but the real question is, what decides the price of their efforts? Is that the client or the developer? what clause makes you decide that $25 is too much or not? I paid the $25 without hesitation of is too much or not. My motivation was: do I want the stupid red banner go away or not? For me it was a go with the flow and pay.
Comparing $25 to an app that normally rounds no more than $5, yes it is too much but thinking what did they do better and how many hours did they pass thinking, coding, testing, screwing up phones just to make this sw work where firewater didn't? that;s a different story.
Everyone can make their own decisions and I respect them, just don't judge too quickly whether something is too expensive or not as nobody but the developers know what took place to make something work. :good:
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how many hours did they pass thinking, coding, testing, screwing up phones
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I can't blame the devs for wanting to be compensated for their time and effort. Now of course, the issue is that many devs give that time and effort for no fee at all. So to go from "free" all the way up to $25, the sticker shock is understandable. I tend to agree that a $5 or $10 price would have gone over a lot better. Although I don't disagree with your points at all.
and, I believe they bought a couple of phones to work on, so at 650 each, plus tax and delivery, and suddenly its 1400.00 or more..plus the time to work on it..
makes complaining about 25 bucks seem pretty lame, doesn't it?
Sunshine is the only method that works for all variants of the m8 (apparently). Firewater was developed by the same devs that made sunshine.
IMHO $25 is nothing to achieve S-OFF. Think of it like this (This is probably underestimating this by a butt load but.....)
2 devs have spent (for example) 100 hours each on this. That's 200 man hours. If you charge their time out at $15 per hour that is a sum of $3000 just in their time applied. (personally $15 is very low for the skillset I think but it keeps them in crisps and coffee)
In building this they have killed 4 devices and got it working on the 5th. Thats 5 devices at $650 each (not including tax and shipping I believe)
5 x 650 = $3250
Add this to the $3000 in man hours which comes to $6250. $6250 to develop this!!!!!
If you divide that by the $25 they charge then 250 people have to pay for it just to break even. And like I've said, I'm pretty sure I've underestimated this by loads. Would any of you seriously spend that time and money to develop something like this then dish it out for free? Doubt it.
There's seems to be too many 'I wants' on here now. People who want to mod their phone but don't have the time or patience to let the devs do what they do. It's nothing short of brilliant some of the works that go on on here. I've been here since the HTC magic when rooting the thing took about 3 days. You had to downgrade H-boots, make gold cards etc etc and now there are hundreds of tools FOR FREE that do all this for us but there are still a minority who want more. There will come a time when the devs stop. They will give up because all the joy they got from hacking, sharing exploits and building roms will be sucked out of it by the 'I wants'. No body wants that to happen because of the amazing work they create.
I get that people have their own opinions and that is fine, and I get that $25 is a lot of money to some people, but personally, if you don't like the fact they are charging $25, don't pay it. Its simple. Don't come on here and moan about it!!
Just my two cents like.....
I paid the $25 and it's worth it, worked perfect and now S off. I'm a pensioner and you all complain about $25
3484jacks said:
2 devs have spent (for example) 100 hours each on this. That's 200 man hours. If you charge their time out at $15 per hour that is a sum of $3000 just in their time applied. (personally $15 is very low for the skillset I think but it keeps them in crisps and coffee)
In building this they have killed 4 devices and got it working on the 5th. Thats 5 devices at $650 each (not including tax and shipping I believe)
5 x 650 = $3250
Add this to the $3000 in man hours which comes to $6250. $6250 to develop this!!!!!
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There are plenty of developers that put forth the same effort, and don't "charge" a penny. Time per hour is one way to think of it (and time is certainly a valuable commodity), but also remember that many devs put in the time because they love to do it and don't expect or want to be paid.
Bricking multiple devices in the process makes the cost a little more understandable. But again, other "amateur" devs have bricked devices in their efforts as well. And when I use the term "amateur" I don't mean it as someone with less skill (as the term is sometimes used to imply), but someone who engages in an activity purely for their love/passion of it, not for money.
Not arguing or complaining. Personally, $25 is not a unreasonable price to pay. But I can understand folks that don't like it, or choose not to pay it. IMO both sides of the discussion have valid points, and its just a matter of opinion and point of view.
redpoint73 said:
There are plenty of developers that put forth the same effort, and don't "charge" a penny. Time per hour is one way to think of it (and time is certainly a valuable commodity), but also remember that many devs put in the time because they love to do it and don't expect or want to be paid.
Bricking multiple devices in the process makes the cost a little more understandable. But again, other "amateur" devs have bricked devices in their efforts as well. And when I use the term "amateur" I don't mean it as someone with less skill (as the term is sometimes used to imply), but someone who engages in an activity purely for their love/passion of it, not for money.
Not arguing or complaining. Personally, $25 is not a unreasonable price to pay. But I can understand folks that don't like it, or choose not to pay it. IMO both sides of the discussion have valid points, and its just a matter of opinion and point of view.
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Absolutely mate. Putting a 'time per hour' spin on it probably is a bit off course but it was to illustrate a point more than anything . Your right, most do it for love and its brilliant they do, it just grates me a bit when the minority complain about stuff their getting for nothing (apart from this obviously). And having just done it today, it is without doubt the most pain free S-OFF procedure I've ever done. Well worth the money.

[Q] Sunshine S-OFF Question

So I rooted my HTC One (M8) using the all in one toolkit, which just roots the stock phone using the HTCDev bootloader unlocker thing (signing in to HTCDev, getting your phones code, all that good stuff). I tried firewater, and I couldn't obtain S-OFF using that. So, I downloaded Sunshine onto my phone and it got to the screen where it tells me to pay (by the way, I feel $25 is ridiculous considering all of this for older devices was free), does this mean that it's compatible with my root? I see a lot of people do this with Insert Coin installed and stuff, but I don't want to flash something and have to re-download all of my apps and everything again. So, my question is, can you use Sunshine with a stock-rooted M8 with the bootloader unlocked via HTCDev?
Yes you need a near as possible stock Rom with root to do that...it will work 100% fine..
One-M8-Master said:
Yes you need a near as possible stock Rom with root to do that...it will work 100% fine..
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"near stock"? That's what I'm confused on. I have stock ROM, just rooted.
Software Info:
Android Version - 4.4.2
HTC Sense Version - 6.0
Software Number - 1.58.502.1
HTC SDK API Level - 6.17
Kernel Version:
3.4.0-gaabcaed
[email protected] #1
SMP PREEMPT
*** UNLOCKED ***
M8_UL_CA PVT SHIP S-ON
HBOOT-3.16.0.0000
Can I use Sunshine with this?
Stock is perfect then, about as near to stock as it can be ?
If it prompts you for payment, that means it's compatible with your phone & ROM. I asked this in their irc.
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So, I downloaded Sunshine onto my phone and it got to the screen where it tells me to pay (by the way, I feel $25 is ridiculous considering all of this for older devices was free), does this mean that it's compatible with my root? I see a lot of people do this with Insert Coin installed and stuff, but I don't want to flash something and have to re-download all of my apps and everything again. So, my question is, can you use Sunshine with a stock-rooted M8 with the bootloader unlocked via HTCDev?
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Funny how you feel its ridiculous to have to "pay" for something the dev worked on for hours and hours, on his own time, but you think its just fine and dandy to ask for support here for your question, for "free"..
Its people like you that make the dev's not want to share things they come up with for THEMSELVES with the rest of us..
And learn how to search, since the answer to your question has been posted many times, and you only want "free" service...
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Funny how you feel its ridiculous to have to "pay" for something the dev worked on for hours and hours, on his own time, but you think its just fine and dandy to ask for support here for your question, for "free"..
Its people like you that make the dev's not want to share things they come up with for THEMSELVES with the rest of us..
And learn how to search, since the answer to your question has been posted many times, and you only want "free" service...
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This is my 4th Android phone, and its also the fourth phone I've ever rooted. But its the first I've ever had to pay something for. There's all kinds of developers and people who make stuff for this, from unlocking bootloader to rooting. Hell, HTC themselves don't make you pay to do what's necessary to do ANY of this. This is the first developer I've seem to make you pay for one of the many little things rooting your phone requires. They're making you pay a hefty amount for one thing. Even ten dollars would've made more sense. Maybe I'm being cheap and ignorant, but like I stated first, after many years of many developers and phones able to be rooted (I'll even throw in how every jailbreak program for apple products), this is the first one I've seen to make you pay. And $25 at that.
Get used to it; is a different world now a days..
Considering all of your 8 posts have been nothing but you asking for free help for your problems, I wouldn't complain about paying for ANYTHING here on XDA until you become a contributor and not just a "taker"..
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This is my 4th Android phone, and its also the fourth phone I've ever rooted. But its the first I've ever had to pay something for. There's all kinds of developers and people who make stuff for this, from unlocking bootloader to rooting. Hell, HTC themselves don't make you pay to do what's necessary to do ANY of this. This is the first developer I've seem to make you pay for one of the many little things rooting your phone requires. They're making you pay a hefty amount for one thing. Even ten dollars would've made more sense. Maybe I'm being cheap and ignorant, but like I stated first, after many years of many developers and phones able to be rooted (I'll even throw in how every jailbreak program for apple products), this is the first one I've seen to make you pay. And $25 at that.
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I semi agree with this post except. I don't expect developers to just give out there hard work. Yes that has been the trend for the past few years but I also see where the developer is coming from. Do I think $25 is a bit much? Yes but him/her asking for a little return for something the average Joe can't do and the benefits from it outweigh the cost.
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The 25$ are not that much if you think about what he/they had to do...they used phones and tools where they had to pay too...so instead of giving it out for free and even losing that much money they are taking a bit from the community so they can improve the tool more and more to get s-off...soon even m7 will be possible to s-off...I think this week or so...they are really working hard on it as it is going to be harder to unlock the phone so that we can unbrand etc...so I think the 25$ are really worth it...
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The 25$ are not that much if you think about what he/they had to do...they used phones and tools where they had to pay too...so instead of giving it out for free and even losing that much money they are taking a bit from the community so they can improve the tool more and more to get s-off...soon even m7 will be possible to s-off...I think this week or so...they are really working hard on it as it is going to be harder to unlock the phone so that we can unbrand etc...so I think the 25$ are really worth it...
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Yeah I agree. Just read an article on it. Just shelled out the $25 and now I'm s-off. Finally lol
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$25 or $600 developer edition? $25 = more than fair!
Not many people are prepared to pay for $25 for s-off. The developer would get more money if he was selling it for about $10 as more people would be prepared to buy it.
In the end it's really a matter of choice and decisions. The developer decided to sell for $XX
You have a choice. Either pay the $XX or stay as is. If you really need s-off then you must also be willing to pay for it.
Simple as that.
Kahun said:
Not many people are prepared to pay for $25 for s-off. The developer would get more money if he was selling it for about $10 as more people would be prepared to buy it.
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The idea that vendors can always "make it up on volume" is a fallacy.
Good vendors experiment with price to try and see where income is maximised. I've done that with my Android apps.
Semi-regularly I hear from people who say "make it up on volume". I'm the one who's done the testing and analysed the results. I'm the one who is "living the reality", day in and day out. They just have a vague idea about price, based on their own speculation, and perhaps their own self interest in seeing a lower price.
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The idea that vendors can always "make it up on volume" is a fallacy.
Good vendors experiment with price to try and see where income is maximised. I've done that with my Android apps.
Semi-regularly I hear from people who say "make it up on volume". I'm the one who's done the testing and analysed the results. I'm the one who is "living the reality", day in and day out. They just have a vague idea about price, based on their own speculation, and perhaps their own self interest in seeing a lower price.
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I understand where you coming from. Every successful product needs to reach the break even point. After that you can experiment with the price. Such as do a discount on a certain week or a day.
So I have a silly question, First I have only ever rooted 1 phone prior to this, S3, Now I have my htc one m8, Used weaksauce, worked for me to enable power saving mode, now my phone is no longer rooted, So the question is will sunshine, root, my phone and turn the S-OFF? Thanks
I agree that $25 is steep. I'd consider $5 to $10 but even then I'm like "I don't know" because I have tried a lot of this type of crap and bricked devices. I bricked 3 M7 phones in the past trying to do this... I was unsuccessful so it's money out of my pocket and have nothing to offer but I recently got laid off and have an HTC One (M7) from T-Mobile with a bad esn I'm trying to sell but need to port it to AT&T first because I can't get any useful amount without this. Firewater doesn't work and I can't afford $25. This sucks for me and since I'm desperately trying to get this done (gotta pay rent) I'm trying to work on my own exploit but am scared I'm going to brick this device too. I understand trying to be rewarded for This amazing creation but it sucks for those of us that can't pay that $25...
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I agree that $25 is steep. I'd consider $5 to $10 but even then I'm like "I don't know" because I have tried a lot of this type of crap and bricked devices. I bricked 3 M7 phones in the past trying to do this... I was unsuccessful so it's money out of my pocket and have nothing to offer but I recently got laid off and have an HTC One (M7) from T-Mobile with a bad esn I'm trying to sell but need to port it to AT&T first because I can't get any useful amount without this. Firewater doesn't work and I can't afford $25. This sucks for me and since I'm desperately trying to get this done (gotta pay rent) I'm trying to work on my own exploit but am scared I'm going to brick this device too. I understand trying to be rewarded for This amazing creation but it sucks for those of us that can't pay that $25...
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Then don't s-off and/or wait until you have the $$$ to pay for it. Nobody is forcing you to, there is no requirement, so we don't OWE the developer anything unless we decide to use their product which they have spent time working on. Judging by your previous history I would just leave as is and not tinker anymore, as this type of modification for any device comes with the risk of bricking your device if you're not careful/dont know what you're doing.
I'm no genius but food, rent, etc all come before modifying my phone for pleasure/convenience.
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Medic3720 said:
So I have a silly question, First I have only ever rooted 1 phone prior to this, S3, Now I have my htc one m8, Used weaksauce, worked for me to enable power saving mode, now my phone is no longer rooted, So the question is will sunshine, root, my phone and turn the S-OFF? Thanks
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You can download the apk from the site in the first post and run the app. As the dev says if you get to the screen asking or payment details then it will work fo you.
Well thanks captain obvious but as my post says... It isn't for enjoyment or pleasure. I need to sell the phone with a bad esn so I'm trying to flash it to AT&T so I get a reasonable amount. I need s-Off for that. I agree that I probably shouldn't tinker with my device anymore but the thought of not keeping a place for my daughters to live kills me. I'm not asking the developers to change anything. I just thought I'd chime in with my thoughts on it. I did post a comment on another thread in frustration yesterday that was uncalled for but I'm just trying to get by until I can get a new job.

[q] q? How i can get s-off on htc one m7(verizon)

Hey guys, first. Thank you for visiting the post and bring a little valuable knowledge.
I have a HTC ONE M7 VERIZON - currently ROOT with WeakSauce2
There is a way to get free S-OFF - other than SUNSHINE ...
android version 4.4.3 - attached screenshot so you can see the version of software.
Not possible in the current version, there is a way back to the factory system?
Thank You.​
Only way to downgrade is to have s-off. For version 5.28.605.2 the only way to get unlocked and s-off is Sunshine, or pay for someone with a java card to s-off.
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s off
Oh my god
I want s-off freeeeeee
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Oh my god
I want s-off freeeeeee
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And I want a free car, neither one is gonna happen. [emoji5]
It is a bit ridiculous that they're taking advantage of the situation though. Verizon shouldn't be allowed to lock phones down so thoroughly that a phone model that specifically is supposed to be supported by the company's own official "developer program" is actually locked out as it is. These people are taking advantage of the fact that Verizon has done this to make quite a lot of cash. And if you have to get a different phone or something, you can't just "uninstall Sunshine" or something and reuse it. Nope. You get to buy it again. They don't even license it to one person, it's only licensed to one specific device. Simply put, they're taking advantage of everyone and getting away with it to make quite a lot of money on the process and everyone seems to be ok with that.
Now don't get me wrong here. I am not saying they shouldn't be allowed to make money. I'm sure they did a decent amount of work to find and utilize the new exploit(s) they are using and not sharing. To some extent, yeah, they should get money. Though I'm not convinced that donations alone wouldn't have been quite sufficient to more than cover their time and efforts with some small profit along the way (there are a lot of M7 users stuck with Verizon after all plus there can be advantages to Sunshine even when not on Verizon) I'll allow that they've a right to ask for money for this is general. My problem is the fact that they do that one device only for $25. That's a lot of money to run an exploit on a device one time and never again. A one user license for $25 would be a lot more fair and reasonable at least, but really I can't see why it shouldn't be more on the order of $5 or so anyway. Heck, let's say $10. But $25? They have us backed in a corner and they know it.
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It is a bit ridiculous that they're taking advantage of the situation though. Verizon shouldn't be allowed to lock phones down so thoroughly that a phone model that specifically is supposed to be supported by the company's own official "developer program" is actually locked out as it is. These people are taking advantage of the fact that Verizon has done this to make quite a lot of cash. And if you have to get a different phone or something, you can't just "uninstall Sunshine" or something and reuse it. Nope. You get to buy it again. They don't even license it to one person, it's only licensed to one specific device. Simply put, they're taking advantage of everyone and getting away with it to make quite a lot of money on the process and everyone seems to be ok with that.
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But wait - - someone did a sh--load of work at the risk of nice phones to create an optional work-around to allow tinkerers to play with their phones.
Why shouldn't the guys who figured out what we can't figure out be paid ??????????
I tried to get you preemptively on that. Read my edit. Sorry, it took a bit before I realized someone was going to think I was saying they shouldn't get paid at all. Simply put, I'm not against them profiting at all. I'm against the way they're taking advantage of people. I do stick to my statement that donations alone would have been sufficient though. There are a lot of people who would have been really grateful for the exploits if posted and would have donated if they asked nicely (and maybe even if they didn't ask...)
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I tried to get you preemptively on that. Read my edit. Sorry, it took a bit before I realized someone was going to think I was saying they shouldn't get paid at all. Simply put, I'm not against them profiting at all. I'm against the way they're taking advantage of people. I do stick to my statement that donations alone would have been sufficient though. There are a lot of people who would have been really grateful for the exploits if posted and would have donated if they asked nicely (and maybe even if they didn't ask...)
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"These people" don't give a crap about what you or what Verizon does.
There is no HTC or dev program that allows you to s-off your device.
Nobody is taking advantage of you, they are offering you a service.
Either accept their service and pay what they ask for it, or don't.
But please stop this self entitled attitude that gets us nowhere and causes the few exploits and devs that make them to disappear completely.
Don't like it? Buy yourself a Java card for a few hundred bucks, or an iPhone.
If folks like these guys didn't go through burning up devices for our benefit, you would have zero options.
If they depend on the general public to be generous with donations, when giving it away for free, they would be sadly disappointed, trust me on this one...it happens a lot less then you might imagine.
People nowadays are far too content to take whatever they can and if nobody makes them give back, they won't think twice about it.
So, I really suggest ending this now, as this won't end well for you and certainly won't change anything for the better.
Only effect it could possibly have is to jeopardize your xda membership, reputation, and potentially drive away the people who worked so hard on your only real available option for s-off.
See, this is what I don't get. People will defend this sort of thing fighting tooth and nail for them even to the point of flaming and insulting others. It's silly. Ultimately things like this being locked behind a pay wall hurts the community as a whole.
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"These people" don't give a crap about what you or what Verizon does.
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Uhm... What?
There is no HTC or dev program that allows you to s-off your device.
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I'm guessing you misunderstood what I was saying? I'm specifically referring to the official HTC developer program by which one can enter and get an unlock token to officially unlock their HTC devices: http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader/
Verizon is the only one that chooses to disallow its users from doing this and I'm only saying that this creates the situation being discussed. If, for example, there were no service in which one could not unlock their device via the official program and the only point of Sunshine was to avoid going through all that and to make it possible to effectively warranty voiding checks, then that alone might be a valid reason for it to cost. (And I personally am ok with going through the official HTC program and losing warranty officially. That was never the issue for me.)
Nobody is taking advantage of you, they are offering you a service.
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I think you didn't really understand what I was saying. Basically Verizon has created a situation where people have no choice but to use exploits when they shouldn't have to. This, in itself, is already a not OK situation, but there's not much we can do about it short of using a different service (and some of us need various things like a particular plan/area/whatever.) The people behind Sunshine found a new exploit that works on the latest stuff (and claim it's hardware and unpatchable.) Great. But, they don't release it to the public. They keep it locked away behind a pay wall (and I'm sure the exact workings of it are encrypted and etc so people can't just reverse engineer the software easily or something.) Not just a pay wall though. They charge quite a lot for a single device. Then they don't let a user use what they paid for again ever. Nope. You get to unlock one device and that's it. Hence "taking advantage." They know we're backed up against the wall.
Either except their service and pay what they ask for it, or don't.
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Exactly. They know you have no choice. Your argument for them is actually against them.
But please stop this self entitled attitude that gets us nowhere and causes the few exploits and devs that make them to disappear completely.
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Who said self-entitled? I didn't say they owe it to me or something. I said this is ultimately bad for the community and the community shouldn't be happy with it and that they shouldn't charge so much for it or limit it so much. This is more a business discussion if anything. They don't owe it to me or anything, but they are still taking advantage of the situation. Essentially, it's extortion.
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Uhm... What?
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These people are taking advantage of the fact that Verizon has done this to make quite a lot of cash.
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They don't owe it to me or anything
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Oh good, then you do understand.... :good:
Good luck to you.
Before this exploit, there was firewater, moonshine, rumrunner for certain aged HTC devices, two worked on this phone. These were made by the same team that did Sunshine. They never got the income back via donations to pay for the countless bricked phones getting the exploit to work (yes, this type of exploit permanently damaged their test phones at $700 a pop.) This is why they had to resort to charging since the donations didn't make the lost money back.
Before the exploits worked on our phones, we HAD to pool money together and have a trusted member keep the java card, and pay him shipping and a fragment of the cost of the card. He made no money off this service either.
Do not sully and degrade and berate the payment wall. You bought a Verizon phone. A carrier who HATES their "customers" rooting their phones. Call Verizon support and say your phone is rooted and see their response. If you wanted an HTC phone that does work with htcdev, buy a different variant, or get the last Verizon model that did work, the Rezound.
Sunshine was made with the idea to s-off already rooted phones, unlocking Verizon variants is a side effect they don't put on the priority list. If it happens, it happens.
Edit: quick math for you. Let's say they had 20 failed attempts... For ONE device, if all 20 bricked the phone, that is $14000 $25 is reasonable given how many devices it works for and how much was spent to get it to work.
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Well I never heard any dev that locked their phones on failed attempts to find exploits. Doesn't that one dev that does the exploits work for HTC or Verizon and his job is to find these exploits? I guess I see nothing wrong with charging to get your phone unlocked and rooted. Maybe the price be a little less but I doubt he made a lot of money unlocking peoples phones. If you don't want to pay for having your phone unlocked then look at getting s nexus 6 off T-Mobile. Everything works on Verizon's network and you never have to worry about having a locked boot loader.
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Well I never heard any dev that locked their phones on failed attempts to find exploits. Doesn't that one dev that does the exploits work for HTC or Verizon and his job is to find these exploits? I guess I see nothing wrong with charging to get your phone unlocked and rooted. Maybe the price be a little less but I doubt he made a lot of money unlocking peoples phones. If you don't want to pay for having your phone unlocked then look at getting s nexus 6 off T-Mobile. Everything works on Verizon's network and you never have to worry about having a locked boot loader.
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No, beaups nor jacase work for Verizon. They frequent the blackhat convention. Most exploits they do they either sell to the bug bounty or give to the community depending on certain factors. They are not on either company's payroll.
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I could swear jcase worked for HTC from one of his older posts form years ago. Oh well guess I was wrong. Just glad I rooted my phone when I first got it before everyone had to start paying!
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I could swear jcase worked for HTC from one of his older posts form years ago. Oh well guess I was wrong. Just glad I rooted my phone when I first got it before everyone had to start paying!
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Nope lol

[Q] S-OFF Options, or lack of?

Just wondering if the ONLY S-OFF at the minute is sunshine for £25? I have absolutely nothing against the developers but i think the price is a tad steep, i paid less for my XTC Clip back in the day and that had unlimited unlocks.
Apologies if this has been discussed already and i have done the noob thing of starting another thread!
Although it's not the only method at the moment it's by far the cheapest one. I think these three quotes are the most important ones that answer your question.
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Although it's not the only method at the moment it's by far the cheapest one. I think these three quotes are the most important ones that answer your question.
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Thansk for your answer, i have already seen all the posts regarding sunshine which is why i asked about another, If they are the cheapest then they are the only way.
I also didnt say i wanted it free just that 25 seems a little high for ME, it may not be the majority of users but i have mine on a contract that i pay for monthly as i dont have enough to buy the M9 outright...
Its $25 not £25.
Its around £17 and for that its not to bad considering the safety features it has and the ease of use, save a pound a day and in just over two weeks you'll have it
The price maybe a bit steep but trust its worth it, S-OFF has never been easier just run the app wait a few min and you're done, no code, no fastboot nothing.
Thanks for the replies. having never used sunshine i didnt know it would be that easy. Presumed there would still be pain in the ass risks to take! ill put my £1 a day back for a fortnight then ;P

S-off without SunShine, Sdcart etc

Hello
Is there any way to s-off without paid apps like a sunshine, sdcard etc? I have a unlocked bootloader and root. I was looking for this on internet but i can't find solution .
Cheers
no
I don't think so :/
The good news is, Sunshine is only $25 and worth every penny for Jcase to stay in development.
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The good news is, Sunshine is only $25 and worth every penny for Jcase to stay in development.
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I am all in for paid apps, but still 25 is bit steep, if they come around 15 quids, seems more like it as we dont generally keep our devices even for 1 year now
ask someone with xtc2clip if he is willing to s-off device for less than 25$.
Xtc2clip does do the Unlocked 10 and 10's that are rooted through Htc dev and the Verizon version of the Htc 10 the S-off support of that is being worked on by the Xtc2clip team and they list should be coming soon. But since you have root an Xtc2clip will work on yours. Many Xtc2clip owners will S-off your phone for very little but you have to consider they had to purchase the Xtc2clip and their time involved so you cant expect anyone to do it for free but some might.
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I am all in for paid apps, but still 25 is bit steep, if they come around 15 quids, seems more like it as we dont generally keep our devices even for 1 year now
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You must be trolling.
Don't be cheap. It's less than your bar tab for a night out.
We have a saying called being "penny wise and pound foolish". Don't be that here.
I paid $25 USD 2x because I had to uh oh replace my handset. Just pay the $25, it's worth it to keep jcase developing.
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Don't insult others because they estimate 25$ for an s-off is expensive, it's indeed expensive as it was Free for years and it's a software hack tool not a hardware you buy. If you don't mind throwing your money away some people do
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Don't insult others because they estimate 25$ for an s-off is expensive, it's indeed expensive as it was Free for years and it's a software hack tool not a hardware you buy. If you don't mind throwing your money away some people do
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The software must've developed itself
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Don't insult others because they estimate 25$ for an s-off is expensive, it's indeed expensive as it was Free for years and it's a software hack tool not a hardware you buy. If you don't mind throwing your money away some people do
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It was MUCH easier to prove root back then my friend.
I don't think people understand the amount of money and time spent to unlock these newer phones.
The $25 is more than justified.
I agree, though. No need to insult.
But there is no need for ppl to complain..
If you don't like it, don't use it. Simple.
Hi,
Let's keep it civil.
Look at it this way...
1. The SunShine team puts in their valuable time to bring us s-off, shouldn't they be compensated for the countless hours they work on SunShine? They could always sell their exploits to HTC...then we would all be screwed.
2. There is a huge out-of-pocket expense for developing SS...diagnostic equipment(only they know the cost on that), test devices ($600-$800 per device...no clue on how many test devices are need for each variant) ect...
3. Anyone that cannot justify the small fee for SS is more then welcome to develop and exploit and give it to the masses for free.
4. If you cannot or will not pay for SS...s-off is not necessary to unlock your bootloader or flash custom rom...it does make your life much easier but not necessary.
Again please keep it civil and keep these points in mind before you post.
Sloth
vegetaleb said:
Don't insult others because they estimate 25$ for an s-off is expensive, it's indeed expensive as it was Free for years and it's a software hack tool not a hardware you buy. If you don't mind throwing your money away some people do
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I agree $25 isn't a cheap price for an app. However, I try not to think of Sunshine s-off as an app because it's far more than that. I think of it as a exploit tool in an app form that unlocks our devices. I don't know how Jcase and beaups package it because I can only imagine the time to make it into an app form. As AndyBones mentions, jcase tweeted about purchasing htc 10s. He didn't offer up how many he bought, but where did that money come from? Well, if the app was free the likelihood of him being able to purchase those devices is doubtful.
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Don't insult others because they estimate 25$ for an s-off is expensive, it's indeed expensive as it was Free for years and it's a software hack tool not a hardware you buy. If you don't mind throwing your money away some people do
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Agreed on this.
some people just have no civility and insults others who refuse to pay $25 for a one time,one device tool.
developers can give away or charge people a fee for their work and that is fine.if others find their money grab antics unacceptable and not pay, it's their money and their god given right. some people are willing to pay but insults those not paying for being cheap, needs to check back that horsecrap up their as$. if they are feeling rich, they can go donate to Save the Children or UNICEF. no need for them to come here flaunting their $25.
Edit: Didn't notice some of the posts in this thread were from a little while back.
For me, I had never paid for any software on xda before getting a 10 so seeing that I now had to dish out 25$ (gasp!) to unlock my VZW 10 initially had me looking the other way. But Sunshine is pretty much the only easy option to do it right now, so for me it became a no brainer. And when you're the only (easy and reliable) guy in town, you dictate the price.
If you can afford it, it's totally worth it right now.
Better way indeed.
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ask someone with xtc2clip if he is willing to s-off device for less than 25$.
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I did that when i wanted to s-off my M8, the guy charged me $5.
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I did that when i wanted to s-off my M8, the guy charged me $5.
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That's great for you, but xtc-clip is different way to go. I don't think that is useful with the current phones. I could be wrong though. I go with what i believe to be reliable and trust the people behind it. I shipped my phone to jcase when sunshine apk wasn't able to unlock my HTC 10. Shipping a $800 device is big and i had no issues at all. It was shipped back the same day. People can complain about the price, but its the only game in town. So unless someone else creates exploits to s-off our phones, I don't see anything changing. With how google is starting to lock down everything, we might be looking at it becoming harder and harder too.
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That's great for you, but xtc-clip is different way to go. I don't think that is useful with the current phones. I could be wrong though. I go with what i believe to be reliable and trust the people behind it. I shipped my phone to jcase when sunshine apk wasn't able to unlock my HTC 10. Shipping a $800 device is big and i had no issues at all. It was shipped back the same day. People can complain about the price, but its the only game in town. So unless someone else creates exploits to s-off our phones, I don't see anything changing. With how google is starting to lock down everything, we might be looking at it becoming harder and harder too.
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I am not saying that sunshine is a bad idea or anything, its just that people have one other option too, obviously jcase have a solution that you can unlock your phone at home without needing to go anywhere or finding a guy with xtc2-clip, but it also doesn't mean that people behind xtc are not reliable, actually some xtc devs are people actually still working for htc, xtc2clip supports htc10 or any htc device.
I really can't believe people can't comprehend the amount of time/effort that the Sunshine team has/is put in to the development of their soff tool. IMO, they would be justified in charging double. It reminds me of the people who complain about the pricing of tattoos. Good tattoos aren't cheap. Just be happy that sunshine doesn't charge more than $25.
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I really can't believe people can't comprehend the amount of time/effort that the Sunshine team has/is put in to the development of their soff tool. IMO, they would be justified in charging double. It reminds me of the people who complain about the pricing of tattoos. Good tattoos aren't cheap. Just be happy that sunshine doesn't charge more than $25.
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I agree.
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