Hi, I ordered the 5.5 inch Doogee Dagger DG550 in white last week from Gearbest, I received it with DHL Express after just 3 days. I did not want to spend much, but still wanted a nice phone, so that's the reason I picked the DG550. For me it seemed to be a good choice and the design is very similar to the inew v3. (just bigger). I know it has been already out for some months, but the start price was too high for my taste, so I got it now because Doogee this month made a pricedrop on the DG550.
So I thought I will give you my version of a full review of the phone! So far I am very impressed with the phone and the stylish design. I especially like this model with the white frame because it makes the black screen look even nicer - and it stands more out than the all black version.
FULL DETAILED UNBOXING VIDEO (check the video description for more info)
CAR GPS TEST & CAMERA VIDEO/PICTURE TEST
FULL REVIEW
GUIDE HOW TO FLASH KITKAT ROM WITH SP FLASH TOOL
Hardware
OS: Android 4.4 (came with JB 4.2, but upgrading to KK 4.4 was no problem)
CPU: MTK6592 (Mediatek) 1.7Ghz Octa-core
GPU: Mali 450 700MHz
Memory: 1GB RAM & 16GB Storage
External Storage: MicroSD up to 64GB!
Screen: 5.5” HD OGS IPS (1280×720) display
Rear-facing Camera: 13MP (could be only real 8MP)
Front-facing Camera: 2MP
Wireless: Bluetooth 4.0, 802.11 a/b/g/n, GPS, Compass
Battery: 2600 mah removable
Roms
You can find some Doogee DG550 roms here http://www.needrom.com/?s=DG550&sa=search&scat=0
like version 4.4.2 (real) - 4.2 - 4.2.9 (fake version / stock)
MIUI 4.9.5 Multi-Language (10/10/2014) ported by xGMERZ can be found here
http://www.needrom.com/download/miui-4-9-5-multi-language/
ROOT 4.4.2 KitKat
ROOT KitKat with http://www.shuame.com/en/root/ - it may takes 2-3 tries before it end up with success, but it DO work in the end. Remember to reboot the device after the ROOT succeded.
Camera & Samples
With HDR and without HDR
Indoor / closeup
Normal outdoor shots (standard auto settings)
Root
Root the ROM (works also for Kitkat) with RootGenius http://www.shuame.com/en/root/
Memory & RAM
The phone comes 1GB RAM and 1,5GB internal, and 12,2GB storage.
It also supports micro sdcards up to 64GB.
For normal daily use this is fine, the phone runs very smooth. Only thing is that I could wish to have more than 1.5GB internal for apps, but I guess this can be hacked/changed with other EBR files.
Wifi & reception
The WiFi has a very good range, and it is really fast. Have used it a lot the last days and zero problems. The reception I would say is average and normal. Like on most MTK6592 phones.
Batterylife
The batterylife is very good on the DG550. I can use it over 1 day with normal usage.
It also support special power saving management (Power Saving, Lower Power Mode, Screen Saving Mode) so if you want to save the battery during the day, just activate this.
Antutu Benchmark 5
I get 28340 in score with 4.4 Kitkat
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Cons & Pros
Good
- Clear and sharp screen, real OGS/IPS, when the screen is off it is totally black!
- Vivid screen and good viewing angles. The touch sensitivity is perfect!
- The sound from the earspeaker is in my DG550 pretty loud, I don't think it is low
- The build quality seems to be good, I have no crooked corners or something like that
- It is a bit heavy in the hand, but in the nice way, feels like quality
- Supports OTA, so you can update the phone
- Supports Power Saving management (different settings possible) and CPU power limiter
- Very fast and good GPS
- Good WiFi range with good speed
- Battery is good for 1-2 days with normal usage
- It is smooth and has stable software
- The compass works fine after you have calibrated the sensors
- Backlight in the softbuttons
Bad
- No notification LED
- Does not come with Kitkat 4.4 out of the box, but you can flash it yourself
- The backcover feels just like matt thin plastic
- Soundquality and reception is average, not bad but also not super good
- No NFC or wireless charging builtin
- Only 1GB ram, but it still runs very smooth
My verdict
The Doogee Dagger DG550 is a very stylish smartphone - especially in white. It is very cheap, and for the money you get a lot of smartphone. It is hard not to be impressed about the big sharp screen when you have it in the hand. It is smooth out of the box but of course even more with Kitkat 4.4 and has no software bugs. If you want a cheap phone and does not need things like NFC and wireless charging then the DG550 is a very good choice in my opinion. I personally give it 9/10 - I love the phone!
Very stylish simple design!
FULL IMAGE HERE: http://peecee.dk/uploads/082014/DSC05035.JPG
Hi s7yler,
I bought one too, but I have some issues. My phone stuck on boot and now after recovery with original rom I don't have IMEI and signal. I resolved the Imei problem but I don't have signal yet.
Other problem is some apps like Antutu do the phone restart.
Do you have a original backup and a backup made MTK Droid Tools. I sent message to Doogee support but I didn't receive answer.
Tks
mackbusy said:
Hi s7yler,
I bought one too, but I have some issues. My phone stuck on boot and now after recovery with original rom I don't have IMEI and signal. I resolved the Imei problem but I don't have signal yet.
Other problem is some apps like Antutu do the phone restart.
Do you have a original backup and a backup made MTK Droid Tools. I sent message to Doogee support but I didn't receive answer.
Tks
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Did you try 4.4 rom? Flash it with SP flash tool v5.1408.00
For imei problem you need SN Writer 2.1324.0 (google it)
Where do you live? Make sure that your carrier supports GSM 2G: 850/900/1800/1900 and 3G: WCDMA 850/2100MHz
chanaka89 said:
Did you try 4.4 rom? Flash it with SP flash tool v5.1408.00
For imei problem you need SN Writer 2.1324.0 (google it)
Where do you live? Make sure that your carrier supports GSM 2G: 850/900/1800/1900 and 3G: WCDMA 850/2100MHz
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I used this phone about 3 days with no problem. After this stuck I can't do this work perfectly again.
I tried 4.4 but the problem is the same. I resolved the Imei problem with the MTK droid tools and MTK engineering mode. I can see the corret Imei but no signal yet.
mackbusy said:
I used this phone about 3 days with no problem. After this stuck I can't do this work perfectly again.
I tried 4.4 but the problem is the same. I resolved the Imei problem with the MTK droid tools and MTK engineering mode. I can see the corret Imei but no signal yet.
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Ok that sounds strange, are you sure it is not a hardware error? Did you buy it from new?
I would try this
1. Factory reset phone completly
2. Flash new ROM
3. Wipe all caches/dalvik/factory reset again
4. Check IMEI number and SIM card.
5. If still no signal, try change to 2G only or choose manually search for network instead of automatically
Are you sure you got the correct IMEI into the phone? and you dont need MTK engineering mode.
Just have the phone rooted, then start MTK droid tools, on the first screen (where all the info is) then hit the button IMEI/NVRAM (button is only avaiable if your rooted) and a new window will popup, here you can insert the IMEI number in both fields, and save it to the phone. After that restart phone and thats it.
Regarding Antutu, did you also try Antutu X? (Antutu 5) from the Play Store.
Original ROM (it is called 4.2.9) can be found on needrom.com - just search for DG550.
mackbusy said:
I used this phone about 3 days with no problem. After this stuck I can't do this work perfectly again.
I tried 4.4 but the problem is the same. I resolved the Imei problem with the MTK droid tools and MTK engineering mode. I can see the corret Imei but no signal yet.
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Did you try these sims on another phone.
Sometimes Mobile network itself deny registration of the sim in the network due to some issues.
This happens often when you use a super sim which is used to bypass sim lock.
It can easily be resolved by putting the sim on another phone and resister in the network manually.
s7yler said:
Ok that sounds strange, are you sure it is not a hardware error? Did you buy it from new?
I would try this
1. Factory reset phone completly
2. Flash new ROM
3. Wipe all caches/dalvik/factory reset again
4. Check IMEI number and SIM card.
5. If still no signal, try change to 2G only or choose manually search for network instead of automatically
Are you sure you got the correct IMEI into the phone? and you dont need MTK engineering mode.
Just have the phone rooted, then start MTK droid tools, on the first screen (where all the info is) then hit the button IMEI/NVRAM (button is only avaiable if your rooted) and a new window will popup, here you can insert the IMEI number in both fields, and save it to the phone. After that restart phone and thats it.
Regarding Antutu, did you also try Antutu X? (Antutu 5) from the Play Store.
Original ROM (it is called 4.2.9) can be found on needrom.com - just search for DG550.
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Yes, I did all this steps. First time I changed the Imei with Mtk engineering mode other time with MTK droid Tools, but the problem is the same.
When a run Antutu X it's restart in the same part after the mini droid, a screen like fireworks.
I'm using the original rom and I tried other three roms.
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chanaka89 said:
Did you try these sims on another phone.
Sometimes Mobile network itself deny registration of the sim in the network due to some issues.
This happens often when you use a super sim which is used to bypass sim lock.
It can easily be resolved by putting the sim on another phone and resister in the network manually.
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I'm using the sim in my old Omnia W with no problem. I tried with other sim cards, but the problem remains.
mackbusy said:
Yes, I did all this steps. First time I changed the Imei with Mtk engineering mode other time with MTK droid Tools, but the problem is the same.
When a run Antutu X it's restart in the same part after the mini droid, a screen like fireworks.
I'm using the original rom and I tried other three roms.
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I'm using the sim in my old Omnia W with no problem. I tried with other sim cards, but the problem remains.
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Contact Doogee and check if you still have warranty and send it back, your phone is not normal. I have no issues at all with mine, works perfect, even the loudspeaker is clear and loud (something which has previously been criticized).
Maybe you have a fake version. Do you have the mark on the side of the box you can scratch? to verify that it is original Doogee product?
s7yler said:
Contact Doogee and check if you still have warranty and send it back, your phone is not normal. I have no issues at all with mine, works perfect, even the loudspeaker is clear and loud (something which has previously been criticized).
Maybe you have a fake version. Do you have the mark on the side of the box you can scratch? to verify that it is original Doogee product?
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I contacted Doogee, this is a real version.
Thanks
Dg 550 Headphone
Do you compared dg 550 headphone quality with samsung s3/s4 and other phone ? Thanks.
Doogee DG550 with Awesome On Off, Xposed Framework Gravitybox KK, Nova Launcher Prime
Doogee DG550 with Awesome On Off, Xposed Framework Gravitybox KK, Nova Launcher Prime, GO Locker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQlMBbeUJNc
MIUI 4.9.5 Multi-Language (10/10/2014) ported by xGMERZ can be found here
http://www.needrom.com/download/miui-4-9-5-multi-language/
I saw many people reflect the DG550 mobile phone screen easily broken, so I won't buy DG550.
Krystyna said:
I saw many people reflect the DG550 mobile phone screen easily broken, so I won't buy DG550.
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I don't know where you have read that. But in the Doogee Dagger DG550 treads I have been following people have had no problems with the screen. And actually the screen is really good, and the sensitivity is much better than on some other Chinese phones - I have never read about anyone having screen problems. So I don't agree with that, actually this phone is really good for the very low price. And Doogee also have supported it really good.
s7yler said:
I don't know where you have read that. But in the Doogee Dagger DG550 treads I have been following people have had no problems with the screen. And actually the screen is really good, and the sensitivity is much better than on some other Chinese phones - I have never read about anyone having screen problems. So I don't agree with that, actually this phone is really good for the very low price. And Doogee also have supported it really good.
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The DG550 screen is lovely. I did manage to get a small scrape on the screen just before my case arrived, but it is really great quality.
On the subject of phone signals, I have two SIMS in mine and can get a 3G signal with either of them. The only strange thing is that, with my Virgin SIM (my main account), t works perfectly except when I'm at home. When at home, the phone thinks that I'm roaming! (Roaming is off on my account). Yesterday I was out with a good H+ signal, got home and it switched back to roaming. I can force it to reconnect an all is well, but a bit later it thinks its roaming again! Can still use data, calls and SMS and they do not show up as roaming on my account!
No problem with my Sainsbury's SIM. This is my second Virgin SIM (the first got confused when it received my old number). Both have exhibited the same weirdness.
normanLinux said:
The DG550 screen is lovely. I did manage to get a small scrape on the screen just before my case arrived, but it is really great quality.
On the subject of phone signals, I have two SIMS in mine and can get a 3G signal with either of them. The only strange thing is that, with my Virgin SIM (my main account), t works perfectly except when I'm at home. When at home, the phone thinks that I'm roaming! (Roaming is off on my account). Yesterday I was out with a good H+ signal, got home and it switched back to roaming. I can force it to reconnect an all is well, but a bit later it thinks its roaming again! Can still use data, calls and SMS and they do not show up as roaming on my account!
No problem with my Sainsbury's SIM. This is my second Virgin SIM (the first got confused when it received my old number). Both have exhibited the same weirdness.
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Some carriers use internal roaming to lower the costs, its kind of weird. But how it is. The roaming problem your talking about has probably nothing to do with the phone, but more your SIM / carrier / provider.
bugee kitkat
yesterday i upgraded my dg 550 to official kitkat and i discovered some serious bugs. First my dagger makes reboot when i plug it in for charging!! Second the charging is making too much, i plug it in 4 pm with 18% and 7 pm is 70% which is too long.
In the previous 4.2.9 the dagger was 100% in less than 2 hours!
This is for me a reason to get back to 4.2.9
Now the thing that i like is ,changing the ebr files , having 7 gb space for apps. So if i downgrade could i change also the ebr files in 4.2.9 , or it want be possible?
I also received this nice phone and I am very satisfied with it. It come with 4.4.2 android_4.4_2014/09/25, but it is not rooted. I try several diferent ways to rootit but no succes. Framaroot, RootGenius, Towelroot, Baiduroot, but nothing works. Is there any way to root it without changing original rom? I also want to install TWRP or CWM for latter work with flashing roms and to make backup . Any help, please!
nejcov said:
I also received this nice phone and I am very satisfied with it. It come with 4.4.2 android_4.4_2014/09/25, but it is not rooted. I try several diferent ways to rootit but no succes. Framaroot, RootGenius, Towelroot, Baiduroot, but nothing works. Is there any way to root it without changing original rom? I also want to install TWRP or CWM for latter work with flashing roms and to make backup . Any help, please!
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Try with iRoot
s7yler said:
Try with iRoot
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Thank you for your quick answer. No luck with Iroot but I make it with Kingo root. Is too much if I ask how to install TWRP or CWM?
Related
ECOO E04 Aurora, MTK6752 64-Bit 1.7GHz Octa Core, 4G, 2/3 GB RAM, 5.5" FHD Arc Screen
UNBOXING & HANDS-ON
CAMERA VIDEO SAMPLE/TEST
FULL REVIEW
ECOO E04 Aurora Plus, 3GB RAM [ANDROID 5.0 LOLLIPOP ROM]
Geekbench 3 Battery Test here:
http://browser.primatelabs.com/battery3/24520
Original raw camera sample:
http://peecee.dk/uploads/022015/IMG_20150210_211224.jpg
More camera samples can be found here on my blog:
http://s7yler.blogspot.com/2015/02/ecoo-e04-aurora-mtk6752-64-bit-17ghz.html
Highlights:
- MTK6752 64-Bit 1.7GHz Octa Core
- 4G / LTE
- 2GB RAM, 16GB ROM (3GB RAM on ECOO E04 Aurora Plus)
- 5.5 Inch Full HD 1920*1080, 2.5D Arc Screen
- Fingerprint ID scanner
- Android 4.4.4
- 16 MP Rearcam f/2.2 + 8 MP Frontcam
- OTG & OTA support
- 3000 mAh Battery
- Networks: GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz, WCDMA 900/2100MHz, FDD-LTE B1/B3/B7/B20
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I'm waiting for mine , i buy one and i hope i can root him .... more 12 days to wait
on your battery test ,the processor is a 6732 : Processor ARM MT6732 @ 1.69 GHz
1 processor, 8 cores , but on 8 cores is the MT6752 no ?
vikman53 said:
I'm waiting for mine , i buy one and i hope i can root him .... more 12 days to wait
on your battery test ,the processor is a 6732 : Processor ARM MT6732 @ 1.69 GHz
1 processor, 8 cores , but on 8 cores is the MT6752 no ?
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Yeah, but many apps are still not recognizing the 6732/6752 chipsets correct, so I guess the Geekbench app somehow doesn't show the correct info about the chipset. Because of course only the MT6752 has 8 cores.
is it normal for all batteries of this phone(including yours) to have the same serial number s/n:na1b105os/4-b-c63-b?!
regards,
Ron.
ron_hyatt said:
is it normal for all batteries of this phone(including yours) to have the same serial number s/n:na1b105os/4-b-c63-b?!
regards,
Ron.
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Normally I would say a S/N should be unique, but regarding batteries or if it is important I have no idea.
I also see that some phones or devices are using universal S/N, meaning they have no real S/N, maybe because it is not that important?
s7yler , do you know this rom ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH4aHoepNqY&feature=youtu.be
vikman53 said:
s7yler , do you know this rom ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH4aHoepNqY&feature=youtu.be
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I only saw the video, haven't tried it. I don't think it is 100% bugfree yet.
IMEI Invalid
Hey Guys
So my Ecoo E04 is here, but serious problems making or receiving calls, get text sometimes, and can get online, but no calls
I tried using MTK Droid Tools to reinsert the IMEI numbers, but that option is grey (most likely not up to speed yet for 64bit)
Mobile Uncle wont support IMEI restore yet, I even created a Bak file but cant use it.
So if anyone has an idea on how to get the IMEI numbers back on this device please tell me
Typing *#06# shows both are invalid
Sim 1 shows radio OFF
sim 2 Shows radio ON
But cant make/receive calls in either Sim slot?
Thanks
percymama said:
Hey Guys
So my Ecoo E04 is here, but serious problems making or receiving calls, get text sometimes, and can get online, but no calls
I tried using MTK Droid Tools to reinsert the IMEI numbers, but that option is grey (most likely not up to speed yet for 64bit)
Mobile Uncle wont support IMEI restore yet, I even created a Bak file but cant use it.
So if anyone has an idea on how to get the IMEI numbers back on this device please tell me
Typing *#06# shows both are invalid
Sim 1 shows radio OFF
sim 2 Shows radio ON
But cant make/receive calls in either Sim slot?
Thanks
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From where did you buy it? what does the shop say? Maybe the shop can get some code where you then can input the IMEI numbers to the phone. Does your box show the IMEIs? or on the back behind the battery.
It was a gift, and I believe it came from E-Fox Shop EDIT -(it came from Pandawill)
The IMEI numbers are both under the battery, but when I checked them they both came back as belonging to an old Nokia
Tried using MTK Engineer app to put them back into the phone, but nothing changes from "Send Command"
MTK Droid Tools needs updating, as I would normally be able to use that (nice and easy) Mobile Uncle needs updating too
Not sure what else to try right now?
I found your backup Rom on needrom do you think flashing that with SPFT would help S7yler?
when I checked them they both came back as belonging to an old Nokia
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like me, but i don't have problems for making or receiving calls.
Well I managed to get at least One of the IMEI Numbers back on the device
I used "MTK Engineer" app from the store as "Mobile Uncle" wont support IMIE restore yet
Same method but you have to input the number between the quotation marks and leave a space between AT+ so it would be AT + then the usual number and letters, but where the quotation marks are at the end, make a space between these, and input the IMEI number, press send command, reboot, and check *#06# and now I have One IMEI number back, I did try to use the same method to get the second number in there, but it just changed the Phone 1 number again? perhaps as I dont have a Sim in slot Two right now.
But at least its working again
percymama said:
Well I managed to get at least One of the IMEI Numbers back on the device
I used "MTK Engineer" app from the store as "Mobile Uncle" wont support IMIE restore yet
Same method but you have to input the number between the quotation marks and leave a space between AT+ so it would be AT + then the usual number and letters, but where the quotation marks are at the end, make a space between these, and input the IMEI number, press send command, reboot, and check *#06# and now I have One IMEI number back, I did try to use the same method to get the second number in there, but it just changed the Phone 1 number again? perhaps as I dont have a Sim in slot Two right now.
But at least its working again
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Great to hear! thanks for telling us how you did.
Hi,
I just found this phone, and it looks like it could be a good alternative to the Jiayu S3, if not better
It looks like they have both pretty much the same hardware and features - except that the Ecoo has a 16mp camera, and the S3 only has a 13mp camera.
Plus, the Ecoo has a fingerprint scanner (which the S3 doesn't have).
I took a look at this video, and it looks like the Ecoo has a better display with better colors:
What I'm also interested in - how does the Ecoo compare to the Umi Zero?
So far, I've only found a Geekbench comparison:
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/1986989?baseline=1995618
Could you do a comparison between the two? Possibly even a video comparison?
What can you say about the cameras in the two phones?
Rooting ECOO E04 Aurora
Has anybody succesfully rooted this device yet?
cdfa said:
Has anybody succesfully rooted this device yet?
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It comes pre-rooted from ECOO.
Kazama Levi said:
Hi,
I just found this phone, and it looks like it could be a good alternative to the Jiayu S3, if not better
It looks like they have both pretty much the same hardware and features - except that the Ecoo has a 16mp camera, and the S3 only has a 13mp camera.
Plus, the Ecoo has a fingerprint scanner (which the S3 doesn't have).
I took a look at this video, and it looks like the Ecoo has a better display with better colors
What I'm also interested in - how does the Ecoo compare to the Umi Zero?
So far, I've only found a Geekbench comparison:
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/1986989?baseline=1995618
Could you do a comparison between the two? Possibly even a video comparison?
What can you say about the cameras in the two phones?
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The ECOO and UMI ZERO are 2 different phones, they have almost nothing in common. Hardware is different, materials are different, the size of the phone and display type is different. The ECOO is huge compared with the UMI ZERO, as it is just 5 inch and the ECOO is 5.5. Also the ECOO is made of all plastic, while the UMI ZERO is all metal and glass. Cameras are good on both, if you get a ZERO without camera problems, then the camera is a little bit better on the ZERO, but the camera on the ECOO is also very good in daylight. But all also depends on the eyes that look at it. The screen is better on the ZERO as it uses SuperAMOLED. And yes feature wise the ECOO has more to offer but is also thicker than the ZERO, which is pretty thin. But again, the ECOO has a better GPS and support for GLONASS, while the ZERO don't. So both have pros & cons.
Kazama Levi said:
Hi,
I just found this phone, and it looks like it could be a good alternative to the Jiayu S3, if not better
It looks like they have both pretty much the same hardware and features - except that the Ecoo has a 16mp camera, and the S3 only has a 13mp camera.
What I'm also interested in - how does the Ecoo compare to the Umi Zero?
So far, I've only found a Geekbench comparison:
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/1986989?baseline=1995618
Could you do a comparison between the two? Possibly even a video comparison?
What can you say about the cameras in the two phones?
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The Ecoo makes good photo's but the 16MP is interpolated. It's very probably a 13.2MP. Sensor is finally know, it's a OV-something. The last firmware changelog gave it away.
I've had the UMI Zero from the very beginning and used it until firmware 3.06, after that I gave up and sold the phone to someone who was prepared to test and wait until the device became usable for daily life. The Ecoo does have an alloy body with plastics on the back. Front is glass mostly. UMI Zero does use Gorilla Glass 3 on the front and on the back but the glass on the back made it feel cheap. UMI Zero could have been a great phone but too much was wrong with it. And no notification-LED which I found out bothered me a lot every day.
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I believe it came across here already but does anyone tried the FlymeOS on the Ecoo E04?
http://www.1949deal.com/blog/index....l-download-and-install-from-1949deal/#respond
I lack the time to root my E04 (didn't came rooted) and try it out. Forgot how to do the whole recovery flash thingy, does anyone have a good link with the lastest CWM or the TW..something?
s7yler said:
It comes pre-rooted from ECOO.
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Well, mine is not. 2 root checker apps say so and I also tried navigating to the "/root" directory and that didn't work.
cdfa said:
Well, mine is not. 2 root checker apps say so and I also tried navigating to the "/root" directory and that didn't work.
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Try to re-root it on the PC with http://www.mgyun.com/en/getvroot
Do like in my guide here from time 4:44 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1WGNan1p88
Elephone P3000S 5.0 inch 4G, 4.4.4 KitKat Octa-Core MT6752 1.7GHz, 3GB/16GB ROM + NFC & Fingerprint
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Model: P3000S(6752)
Dimensions: 145*72*8.9mm
CPU: MTK6752
GPU: ARM MALI-T760
RAM: 3GB
Storage: 16GB
Display: 5.0" , 1920*1080 pixels
Battery: 3150 mAh
OS: Android OS, 4.4.4 (Lollipop Upgradable)
Camera: Rear-13MP Sony IMX1,front-5.0MP
SIM card: Dual SIM card,dual standby
Wi-Fi: 802.11b/g/n
USB: Micro 5pin USB
Bluetooth: 4.0
Positioning: GPS,A-GPS
FOTA(wireless update): Support
Fingerprint ID: Support
NFC: Support （The second batch os P3000s will pack NFC）
http://www.elephone.hk/p3000s-6752.html
Forum Elephone:
http://bbs.elephone.hk/forum.php?gid=249#.VTKrduGRa5I
Disassemby:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnQX4pYz9R8
next week it will arrive, as soon as possible, review and hands on video!
Anyone interested in custom recovery creation, can have my support for testing purpose.
The first impact was not bad. Probably the performance are not the top with kitkat 4.4.4, battery seems ti be poor in terms of screen on time and capacity. Good news is that on the elephone forum is available original firmware, new custom rom flyme 4.2 and philz touch recovery.
Here's the link of philz Touch recovery
http://www.needrom.com/download/p3000s-3gb-64bit-philz-touch-6/
Anyone received the phone?
Yes, I'll post a review soonish .
My unboxing and hands on:
https://youtu.be/jS_Ex9c7tiY
Thanks for the reviews. I have seen on the Elephone P3000s 3GB page (http://www.elephone.hk/P3000S-6752.html) that there is no NFC included in first batch ( NFC: Support (The second batch os P3000s will pack NFC) / NFC:support（100,000 pieces of P3000s were sent out in April don't support NFC.）) . How the NFC supporting devices can be identified? Is it only a SW/driver issue or hardware topic? Thx and br
Nfc is an hardware topic, near micro sd slot on the rear, you must have two pins that connects to the rear cover with nfc antenna on it.
I have one of those non-NFC phones (don't care too much about NFC, and asked elephone.cc to send me one from the first batch to get it quicker).
My impressions after using it for almost two weeks:
Speed, smoothness is good, probably thanks to the CPU, GPU and 3GB Ram.
The main SIM card slot was too tight from the factory to insert a full size SIM card with perforated edges (so that I can pop out a micro sim size SIM) so the SIM card broke when I tried to force it into the slot.
I then got a new SIM card (thankfully I share offices with my mobile network provider...) and I first used a small tweezer to bend open the SIM card slot a bit while gently pushing in the SIM card.
That worked.
I'm not very impressed with the battery life, but maybe I'm asking for too much?
Today it's been running 10,5 hours on battery with normal use, it's now down to 6% battery level.
Maybe that's ok, I don't know.
The biggest problem is that I feel the wifi/bluetooth radio is unstable.
I got myself the new, very nice LG Urbane smartwatch 5 days ago, but it looses contact with the phone all the time so I don't get any notifications from the phone, and can't interact like placing calls etc.
I often also notice that even though the wifi icon in the top bar implies that it has almost a full wifi signal, the wifi connection is actually lost, and I have experienced several times that I'm not able to disconnect/reconnect but have to reboot the phone in order to get everything working again.
It would be good to hear from other owners, if they experience any of this or if I should first try a factory reset (I did that as soon as I received it though, as I always do when I buy a new phone/tablet), or an alternative ROM, before I start the possibly dreaded process of trying to get elephone.cc to send me a replacement.
Christopher
Oslo, Norway
I agree with your post grenness
I've had mine since it came out and purchased it from Gearbest, to replace my HTC One M7 that I couldn't relash properly.
I've only been usiing mine on Wifi with WhatsApp and gaming for the first few few weeks to get used to it.
The Wifi is weak, It cuts out quite a bit... which is real annoying when I use phone with Wifi at home.
I couldn't ge the SIM 1 Card to fit either so I just put it in the MicroSIM slot.
As for the battery I probably have too many Apps that use a lot of processing power, But I need to run it completely flat to see how long it will last.
Another thing I found is that if you do want NFC there is backcover available on Aliexpress(probably wrong spelling) that allows you to enable it. which I might get when I purchase a Glass Screen protector and Case.
Thought Id share my impressions on this phone.
First of all, I know Elephone.cc is not Elephone's oficial store as they pretend but do not order from them, seriously dont. They dont respond to support emails, Took them a week to send the phone and they sent just the phone, without the extra batery, glass screen protector and leather case, so thats $30 thrown away because they are reluctant to offer the refund for the parts they didnt send.
About the phone:
Smooth indeed, it moves nice, very nice, is fast but that is a given with the specs.
GSM reception is the worst, very very very bad, I get no signal at all in places I used to get full signal with my previous phone (a Lenovo S939)
The battery - Oh the battery, omg, I think that if I could put 2 2A batteries in it would last longer, very bad battery life, doesnt last 12 hours with mobile data one and very little use, If I use it like I used my previous phone (extremly moderate) I need to charge it every 5-6h, which is very inconvenient because Im not allways near a power source.
The fingerprint thingy, while it does work in just the right angle is useless, you have to slide my finger 10 times to scan once, I didnt even manage to set a fingerprint because it must scan it like 7 times.
The autorotate is crazy, allways goes to landscape even if you just tilt the phone a bit, and then you must turn it 4-5 times to go back to portrait, so you have to disable it otherwise you cant use the phone.
The phone is not usable while charging because the touchscreen goes nuts.
The camera ) .My very old Nokia n73 takes way better pictures that this, even my previous phone which has a lower res camera is waay better than this one (also Congrats on the false advertising for the camera - not sony and not 13mpx).
I dont think I just got a bad phone from factory, because I saw more people having issues like mine. And this is their top model at this moment with the p7000 not relesead yet.
I very much regret for purhasing this gadget (not phone cause it cant be used as one) so do yourself a favor and dont purchase any Elephone, I doubt they have any good models.
Don't agree, my sample had not the issues you wrote. Only battery is poor, but in this case i think that software support is not good, so it needs updates..
I thought Elephone would have had Lollipop available by now.
Is there anyway to boost the Wifi on the phone?
good morning, there are some news on a custom rom with lollipop?
hi all. i have just received an OTA update to my p3000s 3gb x64bit phone. when i got the phone, it was already rooted. since the update it is no longer rooted. could someone please point me to the info, if any, on how to get root back?
Many TIA
Prettygrim said:
hi all. i have just received an OTA update to my p3000s 3gb x64bit phone. when i got the phone, it was already rooted. since the update it is no longer rooted. could someone please point me to the info, if any, on how to get root back?
Many TIA
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You can try Root Genius or King Root. Greetings
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Kingroot works. I've just try it.
hi. tnx for the reply and info.
glad you got Kingo to work. unfortunately, it wont for me. i had tried that along with iroot and root genius. i cant get anything to work. i only found out when quickboot failed and i then checked with root checker. i wonder why i cant get the phone to root again?
did you check with root checker to make sure, because kingoroot and iroot both told me i had root but root checker said i hadn't. assuming root checker is correct, i cant get root back and i cant use quickboot, which basically verifies no root achieved
Crap, I also had the OTA update earlier today and went ahead and installed it.
Bye, bye, root.
Oh well, anyone notice any improvements to the phone after the update?
On the crappy camera, take a look at this photo taken outside in partly overcast weather (which is supposed to be good for photographing), notice how the green colors are completely useless in the right part of the picture? And how unclear everything is?
I'm telling you, this camera sucks...
edit: sorry, image should now be visible
just had this mail from SuperElephone:
The new version of OTA has root function. That means if you update OTA, your phone will be rooted automatically.
unfortunately, that is not the case, as i found out and have mailed them back informing of the error. not sure what response, if any, i'll get from them now.
I read somewhere that you just have to install and update SuperSU after OTA and will be fine...I DO NOT KNOW THAT. I JUST READ ABOUT IT.
But..I would like to know about other issues on this phone...WiFi, data, battery etc.
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megthebest said:
Good news is that on the elephone forum is available original firmware, new custom rom flyme 4.2 and philz touch recovery.
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can you, please, put link here for this forum?
EDIT:
found it, thx
Update: First real Unboxing & Hands-on Video
Full Review
Geekbench 3 Battery test: http://browser.primatelabs.com/battery3/55923
(Not bad, as it scores better than for example the THL 2015)
Camera Samples:
https://plus.google.com/photos/100582382505207418108/albums/6149620025030604929
The Mlais M4 Note "Iron Bone" is now out! and it looks a little bit like the Note 4 from Samsung, but still the design in some aspects is very different. I believe that we have seen the same design on the Elephone P8 Pro or HDC Note 4 Spark (as they look exactly the same, but both have much lower specs than the Mlais M4 Note).
The special about the Mlais M4 Note is that it comes with some pretty good specifications and a very fair price.
Let's have a look on the specifications and main features of the Mlais M4 Note:
- MTK6732 64bit Quad Core 1.5GHz & ARM MALI-T760
- CNC Metal Frame
- Android 5.0
- SIM card: Dual SIM (One Micro SIM, One normal SIM)
- Display: 5.5 inch 1280x720 IPS Full lamination technology
- Camera: Rear-13.0MP AF with True Flash LED camera, Front-8.0MP + 88 degree Wide-angle
- OTG: Support / Bluetooth: 4.0
- Positioning: GPS, A-GPS
- RAM: 2GB / ROM: 16GB
- 4G LTE Up to 150 Mbps download speeds
- Sensor: Light sensor, G-sensor, P-sensor
- Networks: GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz WCDMA 850/900/1900/2100MHz FDD-LTE 800/1800/2100/2600MHz
So from that we can see that it should be powerfull enough to run most tasks. The CPU is one of the new 64bit and MALI T760. It says Android 5.0 which is very interesting, but if it really comes out of the box with 5.0 we have to wait and see?
It supports Dual SIM (a very good thing to have) 4G/LTE (at last we see this on a Note 4 look-a-like phone!) and comes with a 5.5 inch 1280x720 IPS HD screen, not the best (as FHD would have been better) - but it should be enough for most people if it is of a good quality screen.
UPDATE 20150507
I strongly recommend to update to latest build 20150507, as it fixes many of the bugs in the first Lollipop firmware, also the camera is much better after this update!
Find the complete ROM here: http://www.mlais.com/html/201505/content_181.html
It is important you follow the flashing instructions and flash with Mlais flash tool! not use SP Flash Tool.
After the last 2 updates from Mlais, Lollipop now runs perfect on the Mlais M4 Note. Out of the box, the Lollipop had some bugs, but they have been fixed. So I can now clearly recommend this phone!
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I can today confirm that it comes with real Android 5.0 out of the box (SDK 21) and that it runs pretty well, but there can be some incompatibility with some apps. (I hope Mlais will fix this asap!)
Check post #1 for a real video of the phone. It scores about 34000 in Antutu Benchmark, where for example the Elephone P6000 with the same chipset and RAM scores about 32000. So not much of a difference, just a small one. But still an improvement!
What can you say about the battery life? I read in many sites that they lied about the battery capacity in the m52 note, is it the same situation?
hichaam said:
What can you say about the battery life? I read in many sites that they lied about the battery capacity in the m52 note, is it the same situation?
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My phone is coming to Holland this week *O*:highfive:
it's hoppely better then my s3lte
Hey guys, no one know how to root this mlais m4?
Is anyone know where to find the usb driver for the Mlais Note 4?
Thanks in advance...
hichaam said:
What can you say about the battery life? I read in many sites that they lied about the battery capacity in the m52 note, is it the same situation?
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Here Geekbench 3 Battery Test
http://browser.primatelabs.com/battery3/55923
It is around the same as the THL 2015 (that gets 06:05:50 / 3331) (the Mlais M4 here scores actually a little bit better, despite it has a bigger screen).
So I would say it is okay. I read somewhere that the Mlais M52 doesn't get 6 hours (or only very close to it) in Geekbench 3 Battery Test.
Help with Malais m4 drivers update
Hello,
I am unable to download the drivers from there website as they aren't compatible with a windows 8 operating system.
I am also unable to update. I tried to install wireless updates and it says "warning your system was damaged, wireless update is disabled".
Every time i run an app like BBM or what's app or try to stream a video I get "Unfortunately (app) has stopped". and it just crashes.
Please help. Is anyone else having these problems?
Their support isn't much help at this time.
re
hi, first of all try one thing i didnt give it a try, try shuting down the device and pressing the volume down( i think is volume down, but try volume up ) when u are trying to conect the mediatek root devicer avaiable in the downloads at mlais M4
if that doesnt work i+ll report u back , i+m on the midle of something , need 1 hour, i+ll edit the post after with my solution
if u dont want to w8 , u need to
1 allow windows 8 to install drivers from unknown sources
2 install mdtek drivers
3 how to route media tek devices
if u search xda u will be on the go, or w8 a bit
edit:
so first u need to do this
http://www.nextofwindows.com/how-to-install-an-un-signed-3rd-party-driver-in-windows-8/
second:
http://thebroodle.com/android/install-mediatek-mt65xx-usb-vcom-drivers-windows-8-8-1/
third:
u should try the mediatek firmware update from mlais
http://www.mlais.com/html/201505/content_181.html
becose i used this one, and i couldnt configure the camera using another program from mtk
AIO_Upgrade_Tools_v5.1436.00.000
using the scater files from mlais but i couldnt configure camera, i+ll use their program with their setings next upgrade..
there is a tutorial in xda about this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1982576
or
http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/rooting-roms/zopo-zp999-octa-core-t2901185/page27
pojax said:
Hello,
I am unable to download the drivers from there website as they aren't compatible with a windows 8 operating system.
I am also unable to update. I tried to install wireless updates and it says "warning your system was damaged, wireless update is disabled".
Every time i run an app like BBM or what's app or try to stream a video I get "Unfortunately (app) has stopped". and it just crashes.
Please help. Is anyone else having these problems?
Their support isn't much help at this time.
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look a bit below
tguy888 said:
Is anyone know where to find the usb driver for the Mlais Note 4?
Thanks in advance...
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lufimy said:
hi, first of all try one thing i didnt give it a try, try shuting down the device and pressing the volume down( i think is volume down, but try volume up ) when u are trying to conect the mediatek root devicer avaiable in the downloads at mlais M4
if that doesnt work i+ll report u back , i+m on the midle of something , need 1 hour, i+ll edit the post after with my solution
if u dont want to w8 , u need to
1 allow windows 8 to install drivers from unknown sources
2 install mdtek drivers
3 how to route media tek devices
if u search xda u will be on the go, or w8 a bit
edit:
so first u need to do this
http://www.nextofwindows.com/how-to-install-an-un-signed-3rd-party-driver-in-windows-8/
second:
http://thebroodle.com/android/install-mediatek-mt65xx-usb-vcom-drivers-windows-8-8-1/
third:
u should try the mediatek firmware update from mlais
http://www.mlais.com/html/201505/content_181.html
becose i used this one, and i couldnt configure the camera using another program from mtk
AIO_Upgrade_Tools_v5.1436.00.000
using the scater files from mlais but i couldnt configure camera, i+ll use their program with their setings next upgrade..
there is a tutorial in xda about this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1982576
or
http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/rooting-roms/zopo-zp999-octa-core-t2901185/page27
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look a bit below
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but care back camera not configured
Can't get data to work
This is so strange but I can't get data to work. Gets connected on 2 and 3G.
I checked apn, try few different ones to no avail. I tried two different working sims, both slots, to no avail.
Did two ota updates yesterday. Factory reseted as well.
I'm sure it something simple. Any ideas?
Full Review Video now also added to post #1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxwqyr2gSrs
Lol, issue was with data connection which was disabled by default. Never crossed my mind to check that as it's usually enabled by default.
s7yler said:
Full Review Video now also added to post #1
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Great review!!!
I think I'm going to get this phone. I can't understand why people doesn't like it. I know that the M52 is octacore but the design of this one is sooo much appealing. Sincerely, I'm not a gamer so I don't give a damn about 1Gb more, or 8 cores. @s7yler In your post you say that you flashed with MLais tool... why you didn't update with OTA?
could you please tell us the steps you followed?
Thanks!
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Bokito said:
Lol, issue was with data connection which was disabled by default. Never crossed my mind to check that as it's usually enabled by default.
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@Bokito How are you linking it so far? Any perceived issue? (other than the data connection )
loyx said:
Great review!!!
I think I'm going to get this phone. I can't understand why people doesn't like it. I know that the M52 is octacore but the design of this one is sooo much appealing. Sincerely, I'm not a gamer so I don't give a damn about 1Gb more, or 8 cores. @s7yler do we have to root the device before the updates. In your post you say that you flashed with MLais tool... why you didn't update with OTA?
could you please tell us the steps you followed?
Thanks!
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The phone runs games perfect. There is no need for more RAM or CPU power to run most 3D games. The MLAIS M4 Note has 2GB RAM that is enough for games. You can not root it yet, it comes with Lollipop ROM only. When I tried the first OTA wirelessly on the stock ROM it failed to download (I don't know if they in the meantime fixed that - maybe?), so that's why I then flashed it manually. You just go to http://www.mlais.com/html/201505/content_181.html and download all files etc. there are also instructions step by step on MLAIS page how you should do the flashing. After that update, you can download future updates just OTA on the phone.
And here a video how to flash http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lVCsWZOa4A (this one is for the M52, but it is done in the same way for the M4 Note - you just need to pick the M4 ROM instead).
Thanks man! Why do you say in your video that it is difficult to root? I guess is the same reason as for the M52 (only can be rooted when using KK)...
Rooting Info:
Rooting currently works using Kingoroot on Android 4.4.4. Once updated to Lollipop, you are no longer able to root.
Currently, xposed still doesn't work on Android 4.4.4 devices. If anyone is successful in installing Xposed post here to let everyone know.
ww.mgyun.com/m/en
http://www.kingoapp.com/ (Currently works, but be careful, click here for more info)
http://www.oneclickroot.com/
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Basically we can't root lollipop (yet) and looks like we'll have to wait until xposed or other tool cracks the problem... http://hackerspace.lifehacker.com/android-root-xposed-for-lollipop-has-arrived-in-a-1686469799
loyx said:
Great review!!!
I think I'm going to get this phone. I can't understand why people doesn't like it. I know that the M52 is octacore but the design of this one is sooo much appealing. Sincerely, I'm not a gamer so I don't give a damn about 1Gb more, or 8 cores. @s7yler In your post you say that you flashed with MLais tool... why you didn't update with OTA?
could you please tell us the steps you followed?
Thanks!
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@Bokito How are you linking it so far? Any perceived issue? (other than the data connection )
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Comparing to OnePlus One which is my daily driver only perceived difference that's noticeable is a lower earpiece volume.
Data(when I got it to work) on 3G locked to 1900 band is few mbps slower vs Galaxy S5 locked to same band. I haven't had opportunity to test B7 2600MHz LTE band.
Screen is nicer looking and more pleasing vs OnePlus one even though it's lower ppi.
Overall performance is perceived to be on par vs OnePlus. Everything runs just fine.
loyx said:
Thanks man! Why do you say in your video that it is difficult to root? I guess is the same reason as for the M52 (only can be rooted when using KK)...
Basically we can't root lollipop (yet) and looks like we'll have to wait until xposed or other tool cracks the problem... http://hackerspace.lifehacker.com/android-root-xposed-for-lollipop-has-arrived-in-a-1686469799
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For root on MT6732(52) you just need to install this: http://download.chainfire.eu/supersu provided you have a custom recovery.
Cellular Network Not Available
Dear Friend,
I have imported Mlais M4 Note to India. After inserting sim in it, It shows my sim card name but i am not able to make & receive call or sms...It show cellular network error..Also I can connect date thru that sim but can't make or receive call or sms....Please help me...Also as per some replies, I make WiFi on & checked system update...It shows 1 update of 129 mb...i also update this ...but the problem remains same...It shows DATA CONNECTION ONLY with my sim name.....What's the exact reason....Please help me dear....
Manish
CWM + root
Hello, I have successfully rooted the M4. I have just flashed the recovery provided by 4pda member "Sergey_Ace" by the SPflashtool (scatter file is included)
I have flashed the BETA-SuperSU-v2.49.zip from recovery then.
You can get the files from 4pda.ru or HERE
I have also successfully installed the Xposed for arm64 from THIS thread (the sdk21 version) and it is working well.
Cool!!! Then we can root it! I will try as soon as mine arrives, it's been already shipped...
Greetings to everyone. This is one of my first reviews here. I hope this can make you have a better idea of what to expect of my new phone which I received recently from China (Jiayu S3+).
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The Jiayu S3+ is a 5.5" phone. It has Mediatek MT6753 1.3 Ghz (8 cores) and GPU of 3 cores.
it comes with Android Lollipop 5.1, has 3 Gb of RAM, NFC, internal FM radio chipset (doesn't require internet connection), 16 Gb ROM of internal memory, upgradable up to 64 Gb using MicroSD memory card.
Multilanguage ROM include lots of languages, Google Play and its services works flawlessly.
Backcover detail
Screen
The screen have a resolution of 1920 x 1080 pixels, IPS display. Is fast and precise to the touch. Its pixel density is 401 ppp. Brightness is quite notorial and its visibility indoors is very good and quite good outdoors.
GPU is powerful enough in order to run all the games of Google Play nowadays without a hitch even at the high resolution the mobile has to bear. I test Need for Speed, Andry Birds 2...everything runs smoothly.
Here can apreciate the lower zone where capacitive buttons are placed. As you can see the buttons glow once touched.
It is important to notice that the S3+ have coloured led notification on the front.
Sound
Sound is very powerful, with no distorsion whatsoever although maybe more bass deepness would be apreciated. To listen music long time maybe better a bluetooth speaker would be more pleasent but when listening radio stations or voice conversations during phonecalls its loudness is very crisp and clear .
Here you can see the backcover with Jiayu logo printed on it which gives an elegant touch to the phone. Also can see the speaker mesh.
Here a close detail of the side volume and power buttons.
Connectivity
It supports 4G and 3G. Is a very suitable model specially in countries which supports these bands:
3G (900 / 1900 / 2100 mhz)
4G (1800 (b3) / 2600 (b7) / 800 mhz (b20)
2G (850 / 900 /1800 /1900)
Supports also NFC which lets you pay without having to use a credit card. Lots of banks are offering this new technology. As you can see the NFC chip is inside the backcover.
The phone can be handled quite well with one hand although requieres practice and using it with both hands would be recommended.
Although being a 5.5" phone the S3+ fits fine in any trousers pocket. The feeling one have is like having a 5 " mobile phone.
Its thickness is not indue as can be seen here
The Jiayu S3+ supports microsim cards. Insertion is very easy .
The battery consumption should be improved. Perhaps due to a ROM optimization issue the consumption is not very optimized . Good point though is that the S3+ have an MT6753 processor with somewhat reduced frequency (1.3 GHz) compared to the MT6752 (that is 1.7 GHz). With an optimized ROM surely the margin of optimization will be improved so that battery consumption can easily be improved regardless the S3 Advanced (MT6752)
A plus to consider regarding the battery is that it is removable. This is very imporant because if the battery fails only will be necessary to change it for another one and sending it back to China for repair will not be necessary.
Here you can see the location of the two speakers just below the battery.
Battery consumption is greatly reduced by selecting automatic brightness but we all know that the phone is more enjoyable with a brightness of 100% sound at max , etc ... so I consider essential to have another extra battery if it is intended for intensive multimedia use.
If instead you plan to use it basically as a normal phone ( receive calls, not using much the speaker) then it's probably the battery can last about few days perfectly.
Camera
The camera is a Sony IMX214 with an excellent response, it has autofocus. 13 Mp in the back and 5MP front with dual led flash.
In short:
Pluses (+)
-quality of the screen. Looks luxurious, it is a LG panel, have great quality and has a noticeable and accurate response
-3 GB of RAM
-Great CPU and powerful GPU. It is an eight-core and the 3 core GPU moves almost any game in Google Play very well.
-The sound is very powerful thanks to its stereo speakers. The clarity and sharpness of the sound is very clear specially listening to radio, incoming calls through the speaker ...)
-Supports NFC
-Keeps the Gyroscope and electronic compass of the S3
-Supports OTG
-The Dual microphone noise reduction (reduces noisy background sounds to improve the clarity of voice calls)
-LED -double flash
- It supports dual sim and memory expansion via microSD up to 64 Gb to add to the 16GB of internal ROM.
- Removable battery !
- Multi-colored led notification
- Internal FM-radio!
- Have maybe the better price / performance ratio of the market right now.
Minuses (-)
None highlight in particular. It is a phone that has everything, too much complete as a whole and great price to reproach something ...
Here some pics from the official Jiayu site:
Jiayu S3 Plus screen size (5.5")
Front and back cover detail
Headphone jack detail
Speaker and USB type C detail
Camera with dual led flash
Backcover NFC chip and battery
Dual sim slots and microSd slot detail
power adapter, USB type C cable and battery
Jiayu S3+ box
Screenshot of main screen and Antutu Benchmark score
S3+ specifications through Antutu Benchmark
Menu screenshots and camera app
Settings and language menu
Storage, Apps and about phone menu
JY-S3 3.8v 3100 mAh battery
And here the great videoreview of Jiayu S3+ that Andi did in Gizchina (Source: Gizchina)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Dqm-LQxFg
Hi,
I owned the Jiayu S3 advanced and was very happy with it; I unfortunately lost it and therefore ordered and received this Jiayu S3+. All in all, they are very comparable; big problem however: this new phone (MT 6753 based) comes with Lollipop and...after intensive research on the net, I have failed to find a simple way to root it, whereas the S3 advanced (MT 6752, Kitkat) could be easily rooted through a simple switch in "Settings/Safety". I am therfore stuck with an unrooted phone, which is a major problem for me. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Silverphil said:
Hi,
I owned the Jiayu S3 advanced and was very happy with it; I unfortunately lost it and therefore ordered and received this Jiayu S3+. All in all, they are very comparable; big problem however: this new phone (MT 6753 based) comes with Lollipop and...after intensive research on the net, I have failed to find a simple way to root it, whereas the S3 advanced (MT 6752, Kitkat) could be easily rooted through a simple switch in "Settings/Safety". I am therfore stuck with an unrooted phone, which is a major problem for me. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
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I guess you can SPflash a S3+ TWRP from needrom and install e.g. SuperSU zip from TWRP. I have no S3+ to confirm.
Hi Dior DNA,
Thanks for your suggestion.
Being however nothing but an old geek, I am perfectly unable to understand save apply things like SPflash or TWRP; this, given my comptetence, would most probably end up with a bricked phone.
I was rather hoping to find a simple step by step solution to root he phone; I read however here and there that using "one click" programs such as Kingroot, Kingoroot, Framaroot, Iroot and other Towelroot not only failed to root Lollipop but was also likely to inject in the phone chinese bloatware if not viruses.
Why did they suppress the simple "Enable Super Su" button between Kitkat and Lollipop?
Silverphil said:
Hi Dior DNA,
Thanks for your suggestion.
Being however nothing but an old geek, I am perfectly unable to understand save apply things like SPflash or TWRP; this, given my comptetence, would most probably end up with a bricked phone.
I was rather hoping to find a simple step by step solution to root he phone; I read however here and there that using "one click" programs such as Kingroot, Kingoroot, Framaroot, Iroot and other Towelroot not only failed to root Lollipop but was also likely to inject in the phone chinese bloatware if not viruses.
Why did they suppress the simple "Enable Super Su" button between Kitkat and Lollipop?
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I agree that a lot of standard flashing practice may sound scary. However, it's just what it is. I personally find magic rooting solutions much more scary. One can find SPflash tool instructions on most needrom S3 or S3+ firmware pages. The instructions are highly device independent and specific to MTK. As for TWRP, once open, it kind of speaks for itself.
Most phones do not come pre-rooted, the S3 was a welcome exception.
Again, the global steps would be
- find TWRP image on needrom and flash it using SPflash tool (use Download and untick all but recovery)
- boot into TWRP (on my S3 I can do so by Vol+Pwr at same time, and then selecting recovery with Vol) and flash SuperSU ZIP
(which you will have to put ready on SD first)
* (re)boot may restore stock recovery. To prevent this one needs to get rid of recovery_from_boot.p
Good luck and courage
PS: it is hard to brick an S3(+) but one does need working SPflash tool and working firmware to restore to.
Thanks Dior DNA.
I shall try to apply your solution; before that however, I think that I will just in case wait until another Jiayu S3+ user has confirmed that he has successfully rooted the phone.
Thanks again
Regards
Phil
Hello I recently bought my first jiayu mobile phone.
Is the s3+ 3/16.
The specs are nice (I wish for a bigger battery) but I have problem with many applications especially from Banks and paypal.
I have the latest ota 17-12-2015 and when I go to google play I can not install the apps.
A message appear "your device is not compatible with this version".
I have made Hard reset but the problem is the same.
Another problem is I can not find the "easy root" option and the option to cryptographic the phone.
As I understand the "easy root" the bangood advertising is not in this version of s3.
Even more after installing many apps I tried to put it in folders but the folders looks empty.
If I push inside the folder in a white area a app starts .
the folders looks ok when is closed but when I open one looks empty, a big white empty area.
Can you please tell me what to do.
Thank you
THL T7 Review - a 4G smartphone with a 4800 mAh battery, 5.5" HD screen and a budget-friendly price
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Specifications
- 5.5 inch screen, 1280*720 pixels, 267 ppi
- MTK6753 1.2 GHz Octa-core, 64-bit
- Android 5.1.1 OS
- Fingerprint sensor : up to 5 fingerprint IDs
- 5-point multi-touch
- 3 GB RAM + 16 GB ROM
- 13 MP (Interpolated 16MP)main camera with LED flash , OmniVision , f/2.2
- 5 MP (Interpolated 8)MP front camera, PureCel sensor , f/2.4
- Dual SIM Dual Standby(Nano&Micro SIM Card)
- microSD card support
- Battery: Built-in, 4800mAh
- GPS with GLONASS support
- Supports 2G & 3G & 4G LTE network
- Network: GSM : 850/900/1800/1900 MHz -
WCDMA : 850/900/2100 MHz -
FDD-LTE : B1(2100MHz) /B3(1800MHz) /B7(2600MHz) /B20(800MHz)
-Sensor: Gravity Sensor, Proximity Sensor, Light Sensor ,No Compass
-Size 148 x 77 x 8.7 mm
-Weight 202 g (with battery)
What's in the box
Smartphone,silicone case , a screen protector, battery charger, USB cable, a pin for the SIM tray, and a Quick Start Guide in English.
Design and build
THL has definitely made a good looking smartphone with classic rectangular appearance and curved edges.
The body features a well crafted magnesium alloy frame and a hard plastic back.
When the device is off its front looks like being bezelless, but that's not the case. Indeed, the bezels are extremely thin, with the top edge of frame protruding slightly above the surface of the display in order to protect it.
Yes, this is a necessary design step for screen protection as with the THL T7, you don't get the 2.5D curved glass edges that seem to be on every Chinese smartphone lately.
In addition, the display has a top protective layer, which does not reach completely the frame.
The distance between the two is very little - fingernail-like, but it is there.
Otherwise, the device looks solidly built. Neither the back, nor the display flex under pressure. All parts fit perfectly to one another. The back cover is non-removable.
The smartphone is reasonably thin, with a waistline of 9.1 mm, and not heavy at all - 202 grams with the battery.
Because of its relatively large size it actually looks thinner than it is. The device is 150.5 mm high and 77.5 mm wide.
It is comfortable enough for one-handed operation, but people with smaller hands still might find it big to use with one hand.
The model is available in two colors: black and white with a silver back. We are reviewing the white variant.
Controls
The first thing you'd notice about the THL T7 controls layout is that the volume rocker and the power button are placed on the left hand side.
We do find this very convenient, but it's a matter of personal preference and subjective feeling, so we're just paying attention to this fact in case you prefer the classic layout with both on the right hand side.
In this model on the right is the hybrid dual-SIM card tray. It may be used with one or two micro-SIM cards or with a micro-SIM and a microSD card.
On the top side of the device is placed the 3.5 mm jack and at the bottom - the micro USB port and the mic.
On the front above the display there are the LED notification light, the earpiece, the light sensor, and the selfie camera. The LED notification light works only when the battery is charging and has a red color.
The home, back, and menu buttons of the navigation menu are on-screen.
Again, once you get used to it, this turns out to be quite a convenient feature. On the back of the device from top to bottom are the rear camera, LED flash, fingerprint sensor, the THL logo and the speaker grill with a single speaker inside.
More info on : http://www.devicespecifications.com/en/editor-review/b4994
Manufacture page: http://en.thl.com.cn/ProductSpecifications.aspx?pid=485
https://www.youtube.com/embed/tPeTWyZHLTQ
tell me how fix THL IMEI number
PetaX8 said:
tell me how fix THL IMEI number
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Root your device and install Chamelephon (Cryptotel) from playstore.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cryptotel.chamelephon&hl=th
More Picture about THL T7
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I'm pretty excited about this phone, as the THL5000 was the first ever chinese phone I've owned!
zijin_cheng said:
I'm pretty excited about this phone, as the THL5000 was the first ever Chinese phone I've owned!
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I just broke the screen on my THL 5000 and saw this phone at the THL.com store. I actually considered this phone for a moment, but the specs are just too much of a step back from the 5K, and I need the dual SIM functionality, not just 2SIM or 1SIM/1SD setup.
I ordered a screen for the 5K.
And there is the big issue of Lollipop and the SD card not mounting apps.......
No lead on a ROM update to Marshmallow for the phone, which would be best, or a rollback to KK as an option.
I have filled the 64GB SD card on my my phone, mainly music, some video's, not many, 32GB for the T7 is just too small to cram all my stuff in.
MM does not have the SD card issue, it just optionally mounts differently than LP.
Android 6.0 Marshmallow ... "When a user inserts a microSD card into the right slot for the first time, the system will ask if they want to use it as a portable storage or internal storage.
Users who choose portable storage will be able to use their microSD card as expected. They can save photos, videos, music, files and some apps and app data on the card. If they would like to take it out of their phone and connect it to another device, such as their laptop, they will still be able to micro-manage their files.
However, choosing internal storage will bake the microSD card straight into the system. Android Marshmallow will reformat and encrypt the card, which means users will first have to back up their saved files before going this route. Once the card is reformatted, all previously saved files are erased and the card becomes the phone's internal storage option and nothing else.
Users who want to insert their card into a computer will not be able to do so because it has been merged into the phone's internal storage. Under the Storage & USB section, the microSD card will disappear, as it has now become the primary internal storage of the phone. Users will still be able to save apps and app data and view how much storage is left on the built-in storage, but not photos, videos, music and files. That means, if a phone has 8 GB of internal storage and the microSD card is 32 GB, users only have 32 GB of space for their files, not 40 GB.
Also, built-in eMMC storage is almost always faster than microSD cards, which means users who have at least 32 GB of internal storage may not want to trade in speed for more space, especially if they don't use up all the space on their phones anyway. Still, even with all the caveats, the option to turn an external card into internal storage is definitely beneficial for people who have low storage phones."
(http://www.techtimes.com/articles/98437/20151022/android-6-0-marshmallow-lets-you-use-your-sd-card-as-internal-storage.htm)
The only thing holding me back from purchasing this is the OS. It needs to be updated to Android Marshmallow 6.0+
.... for German Speaker... here two videos with German Comments
overview
Brigtness of Display
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for further information please look here
SD card capability
Spec's list up to 32GB for the SD Card on the THL home site, have you tried a 64GB SD Card?
Please report back as to the phones ability to read a 64GB SD Card.
There is an update issued by THL: http://en.thl.com.cn/SupportDetails.aspx?id=485 What dos this do with the OS?
As I posted above, the Lollipop OS is holding me back from a purchase, if they update to Marshmallow, then I will pull the plug and do a purchase.
I have 107 apps installed over the OS apps, and most are on the SD card in my phone (Kitkat 4.4.2) and need the larger partition or the ability to write apps to the SD.
TY.
^v^
PetaX8 said:
tell me how fix THL IMEI number
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Let me give you some help bro, there is a rapid and special method to fix the IMEI number:
Run the App "Phone", on the dialing keypad,
type 【*#IMEI#6666#】 for writing the first IMEI,
type 【*#IMEI#7777#】 for writing the second IMEI.
For example, type *#123451234512345#6666# for writing "123451234512345" to be used as the first IMEI.
Note that the new IMEIs will take effect after rebooting the phone and it will be lost after doing “Factory data reset”.
R00T?
Anyone manage to R00T the THL T7?
TWRP recovery, someone try this as well?
Report back please....
Mchael T. said:
Anyone manage to R00T the THL T7?
TWRP recovery, someone try this as well?
Report back please....
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root through kingroot ok, TWRP probably not
OraXdaDevelopers said:
.... for German Speaker... here two videos with German Comments
overview
for further information please look here
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Could you please to show more a camera compare between THL T7 & Elephone P9000 Lite or THL T7 & Elephone Vowney Lite, for a day light, low light ,and night short ?
What's the Android Security Patch Level that came with the phone and will it get regular updates?
nz_mincemeat said:
What's the Android Security Patch Level that came with the phone and will it get regular updates?
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You can check for updates at the THL home site: http://en.thl.com.cn/SupportDetails.aspx?id=485
I just ordered one yesterday.
I will post a screen capture of the 'About Phone' when it arrives.
I will also post how I R00T the phone and any recovery I manage to install.
I just need it to arrive 1st.
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mrd.macdonald said:
Could you please to show more a camera compare between THL T7 & Elephone P9000 Lite or THL T7 & Elephone Vowney Lite, for a day light, low light ,and night short ?
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Do you actually expect him to purchase the other phones to provide you with the comparison?
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Romigl said:
root through kingroot ok, TWRP probably not
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Its possible that the TWRP 3.0.2-0 might work, its pretty much universal for MTK. I guess I will find out when my phone arrives.
Mchael T. said:
Do you actually expect him to purchase the other phones to provide you with the comparison?
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No, I'm not expect him to purchase the other phones to provide me for a comparison.
But, if you take a look more on his youtube video channel ,
You'll understand ,why I ask him like that.
Mchael T. said:
You can check for updates at the THL home site: http://en.thl.com.cn/SupportDetails.aspx?id=485
I just ordered one yesterday.
I will post a screen capture of the 'About Phone' when it arrives.
I will also post how I R00T the phone and any recovery I manage to install.
I just need it to arrive 1st.
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Thanks for the link. I assumed the OP actually bought the phone and have been using it for awhile to write the review...
nz_mincemeat said:
Thanks for the link. I assumed the OP actually bought the phone and have been using it for awhile to write the review...
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He is not responding to posts and requests.
Probably bought it to do a review and returned the phone for a refund....?
Mchael T. said:
He is not responding to posts and requests.
Probably bought it to do a review and returned the phone for a refund....?
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We should not assume like that .
He may be owns an IT shop,
and like to share his experience to anyone.
TWRP http://www.movilesdualsim.com/tema/twrp-thl-t7-by-mdsteam.138648/
Evolym said:
Let me give you some help bro, there is a rapid and special method to fix the IMEI number:
Run the App "Phone", on the dialing keypad,
type 【*#IMEI#6666#】 for writing the first IMEI,
type 【*#IMEI#7777#】 for writing the second IMEI.
For example, type *#123451234512345#6666# for writing "123451234512345" to be used as the first IMEI.
Note that the new IMEIs will take effect after rebooting the phone and it will be lost after doing “Factory data reset”.
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NOPE, doesn't work, not on a Sony Experia M4 Aqua, I have a semi bricked unit with a bad flash that has no IMEI on it ......