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Having extensive experience with both phone watches and BT-enabled watches, I want to make an important remark to firmware/software developers for these devices, more so after having recently acquired a SONY Smartwatch.
It is simple: NOTIFICATIONS NEED TO BE PUSHED ALL THE WAY. ALL GOODS NEED TO BE DELIVERED.
In the Sony Smartwatch, a vibration accompanied by a Gmail logo is useless. Having me awake the watch, click on ‘Events’, click again on the message and only then being able to see the email message defeats the purpose of immediateness. Probably easier for me to reach out to the phone and see what the notification is about.
The right way to go is simple: everything the phone has in terms of message info needs to be pushed to the watch notification:
“Email from John Doe
To [email protected]
Subject: Dinner on Tue
->And the entire body”
Same with SMS, IM notifications, or anything. Having only the SMS or Gmail or Whatsapp logos and have to hunt down for the message in the watch is absurd.
The way the MBW-150 worked offered way more info at a glance; Sony is moving backward with this minimalistic notification approach. More is needed.
Secondly: let me disable BT on the watch (say when batt is low or overnight) without forcing me to shut down the device -> no time telling anymore.
Third: watch brightness needs to be adjustable from the watch itself (let me manage battery life myself, I’m a grown up).
Fourth: an audio beep won’t kill anyone. When I’m driving, for instance, I cannot feel the phone vibration. A CASIO-style ‘beep-beep’ cannot hurt. While I understand this may involve additional hardware and pose operational complexities, this is a nice-to-have feature.
First two remarks are KEY, and I’d appreciate not only Sony but everybody involved in such development to think a bit smart before pouring a fortune into development.
Anyone has anything else worth highlighting?
Thanks
Sure dude. But first things first... I would scream that let these things display the clock at all times. Failure to do so defeats the whole watch disguise!
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Which app are you using to get Gmail notifications?
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Which app are you using to get Gmail notifications?
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I am messing with Customnotifier, GMail notifier (not 2), and RSS (which works best but drains the battery on the phone if set to frequent checks).
In any event, on the watch I only get an icon on the screen, no further info.
Rgds
Well they are moving in the right direction. With the updated firmware, that was released today, you are able to do a couple more things. You now have an option of leaving new watch faces on at all times. Also with notifications, you can now single tap the new notification icon and it will take you straight to the notification!
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Well they are moving in the right direction. With the updated firmware, that was released today, you are able to do a couple more things. You now have an option of leaving new watch faces on at all times. Also with notifications, you can now single tap the new notification icon and it will take you straight to the notification!
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Yes indeed. Touchscreen seems a tad more responsive now also, more polished.
Still, notifications need to appear spontaneously -no need to tap- and bightness should be adjustable -too much backlight for me; always staying indoors.
But it's a good step fwd and the app in the phone is more efficient.
Hi, I'm Considering buying this watch simply cos I'm a geek I guess, but, if it is possible for sony to update the firmware/create new apps, and others also to create new apps etc, isn't it almost inevitable that more detailed notifications will be developed eventually? Or am I wrong, is it up to just sony to develope new apps etc, meaning we'll have to wait for just them to decide, taking ages etc? (Unlinke the wimm one for example)..
It does look great, but I agree, notifications really MUST include details, and if this is a future possibility, then I'll get one. (Mainly due to the wimm one not being on sale over here yet! Arrghh!)
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Hi, I'm Considering buying this watch simply cos I'm a geek I guess, but, if it is possible for sony to update the firmware/create new apps, and others also to create new apps etc, isn't it almost inevitable that more detailed notifications will be developed eventually? Or am I wrong, is it up to just sony to develope new apps etc, meaning we'll have to wait for just them to decide, taking ages etc? (Unlinke the wimm one for example)..
It does look great, but I agree, notifications really MUST include details, and if this is a future possibility, then I'll get one. (Mainly due to the wimm one not being on sale over here yet! Arrghh!)
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The notifications seem detailed to me I mean you see the icon if you want to read the message tap the icon once. I like the screen always on update but I won't use it often since I rather have the battery last through the week.
I've checked back ever so often and there new apps popping up so I think development will only improve. Its honestly one of my favorite phone accessories I would recommend trying it out.
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Yes indeed. Touchscreen seems a tad more responsive now also, more polished.
Still, notifications need to appear spontaneously -no need to tap- and bightness should be adjustable -too much backlight for me; always staying indoors.
But it's a good step fwd and the app in the phone is more efficient.
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I agree I can't wait til they update to allow adjustment of of the backlight. The notifications I find using the MMS notifier over Sony's I get no delay in the notifications. The Gmail notifier app I use for Gmail sends me the notice without delay also.
Have you looked at the Metawatch at all? That ended up being my choice. Waiting for delivery.
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Have you looked at the Metawatch at all? That ended up being my choice. Waiting for delivery.
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Good choice RedRamage. I have the analog Metawatch and expect the new iOS digital version any day. Latest phone console release and functions here
OP - fullly agree with the "at a glance" concept. Metawatch provided this for me and I have the Sony, WIMM, original Liveview and MotoACTV also.
Only very recently I was able to stop using MetaWatch and switch to the Sony only for this. See my blog @ augmentedtraffic.wordpress.com/2012/06/09/finally-true-real-time-at-a-glance-notifications-on-sony-smart-watch (you need to cut & paste into a browser since I have < 10 posts).
I use Tasker/K-9 combined with my app to get "at a glance' on a SonyWatch!
I am still testing battery life, but it seems OK. I haven't put the app on the market as yet as it is very customized to my use cases and it may be a bit too much for others to use. The only thing I am currently missing from the MetaWatch is the next upcoming appointment. I have everything else I was using (notifications at a glance, phone battery life, location, weather). I even added my last Withings scale weigh-in
Ok, I've got both of the 1st Gen MetaWatch models (The bt2 Analog and Digital ones), and maintain a popular fork of the Android MW software (see link in my sig), so I'll try and answer your points in relation to that watch.
1) Yes, MW will display your notifications as soon as the phone does - gmail is a little tricky as google keeps changing/modifying/revoking permissions with the official gmail app, so the information available to the watch manager app can be a little sketchy. If you use k-9 mail, you'll see the sender and subject. It doesn't display body text yet, but that is doable. Gmail would also be fixable by just making the app go to the gmail server directly and pull the message text when the new mail notification comes in.
The fork I maintain has an "Other notifications" Option, that lets you selectively display any android notification, although the OS limits how much information we can actually pull. If anyone has requests for additional notification support, then I'm happy to try adding it, assuming the developer of the app has provided intents or an api to access that information.
Currently notifications will stay on screen for a few seconds, then disappear (except for the SMS notifications, which, on the digital watch can be set to stay on screen until dismissed, as you can see the full body, and scroll) - On the digital watch you can configure a button to redisplay the last notification again if you missed it, and there's an on watch menu of all the previous notifications which is only a few button presses away.
2) Yes, all the MW models have a menu option (on the watch) that let you disable BT without turning off the watch, so you can still tell the time
3) Yes, the Analog MW model has menu options to configure the OLED brightness. There's nothing to configure on the Digital model, as it has an always on LCD screen (though there's an option in my fork of the app to automatically turn on its light when a notification comes in)
4) The MWs don't have a speaker, but they do have a powerful vibrator inside - it's pretty hard to miss it when it does vibrate, and the app lets you configure different vibration patterns for different notifications, so you can know what sort of message it was without even looking.
Let me know if you've got any other questions!
MW has some very good stuff, I'm quite familiar with it.
Pity -both for MW and SW- is the poor pixel density. I believe MOTO has a much better display.
B/W displays appear sub-optimal to me and definitely not the direction the market wants to move toward.
Also, beyond the immediate 'at-a-glance' notification, can you read within the watch the full email or notification in MW? This is also a key element.
One more topic I missed on SW is that once connection is lost we need not only vibration but some on-screen display, like a warning sign or something. This feature prevented me from leaving behind a SGSII in a bar when I was using my ancient MBW-150. Vibration won't typically suffice.
I survive 2.5 full days with heavy notification traffic with my SW. How long you stay unplugged with MW under heavy traffic?
Thanks for the good discussion.
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Also, beyond the immediate 'at-a-glance' notification, can you read within the watch the full email or notification in MW? This is also a key element.
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As I said, the current software doesn't support that, but it's something I'm planning on adding.
SMS messages currently support this - you can page through a long message, then dismiss it when you're done, so I just need to add the code to pull out (and strip html from) the body text - I know for certain that it's easily possible using k-9 mail, gmail will probably need work to talk to google's mail server directly to get the message text.
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One more topic I missed on SW is that once connection is lost we need not only vibration but some on-screen display, like a warning sign or something. This feature prevented me from leaving behind a SGSII in a bar when I was using my ancient MBW-150. Vibration won't typically suffice.
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Yes, it'll display a "No watch connection" icon in the top right of the time display, which is pretty hard to miss!
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I survive 2.5 full days with heavy notification traffic with my SW. How long you stay unplugged with MW under heavy traffic?
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I tend to get 2 or 3 days, depending on what I'm doing - 3 days for medium traffic, 2 for heavy traffic (usually when I'm developing features, so pushing lots of data to the watch)
3 days = Taken off the charger on Monday morning, needs to go back on the charger Wednesday evening before I go to bed.
I could probably get much longer battery life if I manually turned bt off each night, and back in the morning, but I like having my watch vibrate in the morning when the alarm goes off! Perhaps adding a "bt sleep" mode to the firmware would be a good addition.
How long does your battery last on the Sony Smartwatch if you keep the small digital clock on at all times?
I've had my watch a little over a week and haven't been able to make it through the day yet even with minimal notifications. The battery life has been very disappointing.
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I forgot to note that I shut it down when I go to sleep. In the morning I turn it on with no pairing issues, so we'd be looking at 18h/day actual uptime, for a total of say 45h per charge. Not stellar by any means.
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It didn't even cross my mind to have the screen on full-time. It is obvious you won't make it tremendously far (I think the bat has a capacity below 130). No way. I push the button to get the time, I can live with this.
I also need to report that the glass is far from scratchproof. That's something that really pisses people off. Next HW release should DEFINITELY include at least Gorilla Glass and certainly a bigger battery. The thickness of the plastic clip and the strap can be each reduced by about half a millimeter that combined gives you 1mm that they should invest in a bigger capacity batt.
And obviously, a standard usb port.
Please keep ideas coming folks, thanks.
And this is how the notification queue should look like:
http://www.slashphone.com/media/data/767/inPulse_SmartWatch-2.jpg
I'm having exact same problem - Battery lasts barely 8-10 hrs. Do we need replacement watches?
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And this is how the notification queue should look like:
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Looks like chinese product
I finally moved back to Android and opted to go w/ the Note 4. While the hardware itself is brilliant, TW is still awful.
My actual problem is this: Every time I power on the screen, it begins "Finding Location" and the notification icon pops up in the tray and the notification bar. This literally happens EVERY time I power the screen back up. It doesn't seem to be affecting battery life, as I'm only using about 25% over a 12hr period (rather impressive, IMO)...but it certainly is annoying. Is this just a by-product of TW?
While I know I can turn off location, I do use a few things that make it optimal to have it on (nav, weather, etc.).
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Having had the Note 10.1 for about 2 years, I really thought I could live with TW. I barely scrape things where I see it on the Note 10.1. However, I'm finding myself rather disappointed with just how ugly it is and how much crap they have messed around with in the Settings world. I'd honestly think HTC had Android prettier back in the original Evo days (Sense > TW...IMO). I'm really on the fence about keeping this handset, and may very well go back to my Lumia 928 for now until handsets with Lollipop drop. I actually like Windows Phone (what is wrong with me!?!) and would have gladly stayed there if they had the apps I want/need (Nest and Sonos).
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It is my understanding that the reason for that is the S Health app. Do you still have it enabled?
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It is my understanding that the reason for that is the S Health app. Do you still have it enabled?
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Interesting. I'm not using it, but I never disabled it either. Let me give that a go!
I disabled S Health and put the location back to High, and now it never seems to lock in, even after a restart. This makes no sense, as Maps appears to be able to lock in on my exact location quite quickly.
ETA: OH SNAP. I'm such a dolt. Turns out it was a widget looking to pull GPS data for weather EVERY time the screen wakes. I feel like a true idiot.
Ah, I apologize for steering you in the wrong direction. I will make a note of it.
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I disabled S Health and put the location back to High, and now it never seems to lock in, even after a restart. This makes no sense, as Maps appears to be able to lock in on my exact location quite quickly.
ETA: OH SNAP. I'm such a dolt. Turns out it was a widget looking to pull GPS data for weather EVERY time the screen wakes. I feel like a true idiot.
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Not an idiot at all, and thanks for letting us know. This is the best way to share info and we all learn!
gave you a thanks for letting us know...
Guys who have sideloaded this, can you please tell what seems changed and what's new so that we can jot down a Changelog here?
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The charging screen is now set to 12 or 24hr depending on the system time.
The watch makes noises now
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My vibrations SEEM stronger, or is that just me wanting them to be?
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My vibrations SEEM stronger, or is that just me wanting them to be?
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thats what she said...
Is there any keyboard for writing message now?
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No keyboard. Device slightly laggy, bluetooth connection drops at times. After several restarts of watch and HP, slightly smooth.
Even with always on display set to on, the watch face will periodically go black. Apparently because of doze... I would prefer to exclude the ambient watch face from this feature as I do not believe it is unreasonable to expect my watch face to be always on when it is set to always on.
If tilt to wake is not active you will need to touch the screen or press the crown button to bring the watch face back. Because of this I have now enabled tilt to wake so I only need to tilt my wrist to bring the watch face back when this occurs.
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Even with always on display set to on, the watch face will periodically go black. Apparently because of doze... I would prefer to exclude the ambient watch face from this feature as I do not believe it is unreasonable to expect my watch face to be always on when it is set to always on.
If tilt to wake is not active you will need to touch the screen or press the crown button to bring the watch face back. Because of this I have now enabled tilt to wake so I only need to tilt my wrist to bring the watch face back when this occurs.
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Doesn't doze only activate if your watch is stationary? How often do you keep your wrist in the same position? or am I wrong? I want to keep showing off my watch faces! Haha
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Doesn't doze only activate if your watch is stationary? How often do you keep your wrist in the same position? or am I wrong? I want to keep showing off my watch faces! Haha
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I believe it may have to do with the orientation of the watch. I read a related discussion on Reddit which suggested the screen off being activated by some period of time where the watch face is not facing the wearer.
This happened to me 4 times yesterday with tilt to wake off after the update. Each time I noticed it I had not been inactive although I was not continuously looking at my watch. The most disturbing incident was when I was doing dishes and cleaning up around the house after which I sat down to watch TV and noticed my watch face was off.
I finally turned the tilt to wake option back on and I have not noticed this since. When I wore my Gear Live as my daily watch I always left tilt to wake on but since getting the Huawei Watch I feel as though it is a bit more sensitive and tilt to wake activates more frequently. This was having a negative impact on battery life for me which is why I turned it off.
I will update if I notice it going off with tilt to wake active.
the time it takes to wake the screen is still too long for my taste. I raise my wrist so the watch faces me but it still takes over 1 second until it wakes up.
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I believe it may have to do with the orientation of the watch. I read a related discussion on Reddit which suggested the screen off being activated by some period of time where the watch face is not facing the wearer.
This happened to me 4 times yesterday with tilt to wake off after the update. Each time I noticed it I had not been inactive although I was not continuously looking at my watch. The most disturbing incident was when I was doing dishes and cleaning up around the house after which I sat down to watch TV and noticed my watch face was off.
I finally turned the tilt to wake option back on and I have not noticed this since. When I wore my Gear Live as my daily watch I always left tilt to wake on but since getting the Huawei Watch I feel as though it is a bit more sensitive and tilt to wake activates more frequently. This was having a negative impact on battery life for me which is why I turned it off.
I will update if I notice it going off with tilt to wake active.
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Yeah.. I usually keep gestures off. Waste of battery to keep it on... But I guess I have to leave it on.. Today is my first day with 1.4 so let's see how it goes..
The speaker and phone works surprisingly well. Have any of you discovered any apps that use the audio? For example, glide is pretty cool because you can watch video messages on your watch and respond with an audio message. I am disappointed that Google now doesn't have the audio voice response.
The speaker is actually better than I expected. There is a youtube app in the play store that lets you play videos on the watch. I messed about with it last night, but the connection is pretty slow over bluetooth. The sound was surprisingly good however.
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The speaker and phone works surprisingly well. Have any of you discovered any apps that use the audio? For example, glide is pretty cool because you can watch video messages on your watch and respond with an audio message. I am disappointed that Google now doesn't have the audio voice response.
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No way....lmao that's the reason speaker should work (along with calls ) you telling me you driving and ask Google a question only for it to reply back with no voice input? Can anyone else confirm this stupid nonsense ?
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Yeah I expected Google now to use the speaker. It's stupid that it doesn't.
Google maps isn't showing a map for me anymore. Anyone else?
The music app on watch doesn't work anyone has the same problem ?
And how can you send songs to the watch?
You are now able to manually adjust date/time and time zone. This was actually the most important new feature for me and something that should have been available from the start. Android Wear is getting better but it still has a long way to go.
It has taken me almost a week to figure out how to get and make calls on it.
I had to be Johnny on the spot, as many times I only get 2 rings, and mine goes to voice mail. I see caller ID names or numbers only about 25% of the time. The watch seems to have about a 1-2 second lag, where it rings, but doesn't tell you WHO is calling, or a number.
I received a call today on it, driving down the road. Swiped right, answered it, and was able to talk to my son on it, for a bit. My impressions, you can hear ok, if the windows are rolled up, and your stereo is off/turned down. I would like it 2x as loud, maybe software will eventually get it there, but if there is much ambient noise, it's tough for me to hear.
That being said I have old, grew up on a farm ears, road a tractor, shot guns, etc, so my hearing is probably a 3/10 compared to you nubes. You may find the volume is fine, maybe even loud.
I had to download and install a LOUD ringtone, just so I could hear it ring. It was a longer than normal process involving Wear Media. I had to download wear media 1.4.6 from the developer to work with a Nexus 6P. It works, but didn't like my ring tone size of 1.2mb, it choked on that, but it would load 100-200KB no problems if they were mp3
I used it walking around the park last night. Same issue, very much traffic, and the wind blowing, and it's too hard for me to hear it. If you got off the main traffic, and out of the wind, it was just "loud enough".
I'm curious what your user experience has been, and whether you have stumbled across anything interesting about how your use has been?
I don't try Beta releases, but I tried the P anyway, mostly because of the new UI design and stuffs, but I couldn't stay on it for like 30 mins even.
Firstly, and I don't know whether it will be brought back or not, you now have to swipe down from notification bar area twice to access Settings menu! I mean WTF!
Secondly and the most annoying and inconvenient thing, now you can't increase or decrease the Ringer with the volume buttons. No matter what you do Volume buttons now will only control the Media volume! I mean WTAF! I use the Ringtone volume at least 10 times than the damned Media volume! To increase or decrease the Ringtone you now have to click on that tiny Settings icon and then increase the ringer or decrease, and while you do that, your ringtone will be played for a brief period of time, unlike the older method, where you could just slide left or right to decrease or increase from any screen and it will never play the ringtones in the process!
Really? No one goes to any business meetings or something? Now you gotta alert them hey look I am controlling my phone's ringer! What the actual **** Google?
I used it for like 15 mins before coming back to Oreo, but if these changes are made fundamentally then its a big pile of ****.
Oh, and that swipe up from home button, I mean please Google, really? Worst implementation of gesture based navigation one could ever think of! Either gestures should be done from full screen or go back to old nav bar or just GTFO!
Every Android update now seems to think how to make users spend more time in trying to do the simple things, it's baffling how inconvenient the experience is becoming. Remember in Nougat we actually had double tap to lock screen and then swipe to unlock? Never had to press the power button, ever. Now with Oreo they got rid of that, quad tap was introduced and now with P these even more stupid things are here.
Is it time? I mean to go back to dumb-phones or something?
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I don't try Beta releases, but I tried the P anyway, mostly because of the new UI design and stuffs, but I couldn't stay on it for like 30 mins even.
Firstly, and I don't know whether it will be brought back or not, you now have to swipe down from notification bar area twice to access Settings menu! I mean WTF!
Secondly and the most annoying and inconvenient thing, now you can't increase or decrease the Ringer with the volume buttons. No matter what you do Volume buttons now will only control the Media volume! I mean WTAF! I use the Ringtone volume at least 10 times than the damned Media volume! To increase or decrease the Ringtone you now have to click on that tiny Settings icon and then increase the ringer or decrease, and while you do that, your ringtone will be played for a brief period of time, unlike the older method, where you could just slide left or right to decrease or increase from any screen and it will never play the ringtones in the process!
Really? No one goes to any business meetings or something? Now you gotta alert them hey look I am controlling my phone's ringer! What the actual **** Google?
I used it for like 15 mins before coming back to Oreo, but if these changes are made fundamentally then its a big pile of ****.
Oh, and that swipe up from home button, I mean please Google, really? Worst implementation of gesture based navigation one could ever think of! Either gestures should be done from full screen or go back to old nav bar or just GTFO!
Every Android update now seems to think how to make users spend more time in trying to do the simple things, it's baffling how inconvenient the experience is becoming. Remember in Nougat we actually had double tap to lock screen and then swipe to unlock? Never had to press the power button, ever. Now with Oreo they got rid of that, quad tap was introduced and now with P these even more stupid things are here.
Is it time? I mean to go back to dumb-phones or something?
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Definitely all you.
1. You've got me with the settings, but I don't usually get to settings through there, so for me, I could care less.
2. Umm, how about you, ya know, put your phone on silent BEFORE you go into the meeting? 90% of the time I touch the volume buttons, it's for media. My ringer is either on, off, or vibrate. I very rarely set it to a lower volume. When I'm in a business meeting, I'm there for business. I don't need my phone to go off, even low.
3. I like the gesture nav, so you've lost me on that one as well.
If you don't like it, I'm sure you'll have other manufacturers who still include the regular nav bar. Doubt Android will completely take it away, at least for the foreseeable future. Maybe on Pixel devices, but they won't enforce that globally. Android is changing. It's been changing. You either change to keep up with times, or you try to trailblaze. I've had Android since the g1 .. trust me, you learn to take the good with the bad. At least in the preview the gestures are an option. The double tap does annoy me a bit, but at the end of the day ... It's a phone. It will take me less than a second to tap two more times, and go about my life. There is no reason to be raging this hard. Nobody is forcing you to update
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I use the Ringtone volume at least 10 times than the damned Media volume!
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You are one of a very small number of people. Most people have been asking for Google to make this change for years, because almost nobody changes their ringer volume. If you need to silence your phone, why not use the "Do Not Disturb" quick tile, instead of changing your ringer volume?
This is actually the one change I am most excited for with Android P, because it was one of the reasons I used to use Lineage.
Omg! This stupidly accepting mentality is the reason why Google will not be bothering to consider bringing back the practical, convenient options any more!
I mean jeez! Time is obviously of no importance to the people who can adapt with time wasting method rather than time saving ones! Like double tapping to quad tapping. Like going into sound option and then get the option for changing ringer volume, rather than just hitting volume buttons! Also it's so aesthetically displeasing. Every time you wanna change the ringer you'll hear the ringtone, RoFL.
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Omg! This stupidly accepting mentality is the reason why Google will not be bothering to consider bringing back the practical, convenient options any more!
I mean jeez! Time is obviously of no importance to the people who can adapt with time wasting method rather than time saving ones! Like double tapping to quad tapping. Like going into sound option and then get the option for changing ringer volume, rather than just hitting volume buttons! Also it's so aesthetically displeasing. Every time you wanna change the ringer you'll hear the ringtone, RoFL.
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Are you a child? Honestly, you sound stupid. Times change. Go back to another manufacturer, as I'm sure there are those who will do things differently. If you think quad tapping is going to take years off your life, you must be expecting to live for a mighty long time. It's not that huge a deal. You're making a mountain of an anthill. You only want what YOU want, and don't care what anyone else wants. YOU think it's dumb, so you think everyone must agree. Grow up. To change my ringer, I simply press the volume button, then click the icon for silent, audible, or vibrate. I don't change my ringer volume 10+ times a day. Most of the people who have been asking for YEARS don't. We get it, you want to go back to nougat forever. Then do so, and shut up. Honestly. Every single time Google changes something people complain. They aren't forcing you to use Android. If you don't like it, there are alternatives, or you can learn to program yourself and make your own. Year after year you people belly ache over a FREE operating system. My time is very valuable, which is why I don't spend so much time on it to need to change volume 10+ times a day, or worry about having to quad tap the few times I actually need the phone. When I pull it out of my pocket, it lights up. Double tap. I'm not glued to my device. Also, I don't think it's aesthetically displeasing. I enjoy it. I also prefer German cars over Japanese. I think the Audi rs4 looks better than the Mitsubishi Eclipse. I like vanilla instead of chocolate. The world is full of different flavors than just what YOU want, and you'll get further in life the less you complain because things aren't going your way, and start enjoying what you have. Officially done with this stupid thread.
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Are you a child? Honestly, you sound stupid. Times change. Go back to another manufacturer, as I'm sure there are those who will do things differently. If you think quad tapping is going to take years off your life, you must be expecting to live for a mighty long time. It's not that huge a deal. You're making a mountain of an anthill. You only want what YOU want, and don't care what anyone else wants. YOU think it's dumb, so you think everyone must agree. Grow up. To change my ringer, I simply press the volume button, then click the icon for silent, audible, or vibrate. I don't change my ringer volume 10+ times a day. Most of the people who have been asking for YEARS don't. We get it, you want to go back to nougat forever. Then do so, and shut up. Honestly. Every single time Google changes something people complain. They aren't forcing you to use Android. If you don't like it, there are alternatives, or you can learn to program yourself and make your own. Year after year you people belly ache over a FREE operating system. My time is very valuable, which is why I don't spend so much time on it to need to change volume 10+ times a day, or worry about having to quad tap the few times I actually need the phone. When I pull it out of my pocket, it lights up. Double tap. I'm not glued to my device. Also, I don't think it's aesthetically displeasing. I enjoy it. I also prefer German cars over Japanese. I think the Audi rs4 looks better than the Mitsubishi Eclipse. I like vanilla instead of chocolate. The world is full of different flavors than just what YOU want, and you'll get further in life the less you complain because things aren't going your way, and start enjoying what you have. Officially done with this stupid thread.
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Calm the **** down. My complaint is against Google, not you. Though I have seen Google shills before, so nothing new.
If your time is as valuable as you claim it is, then you would not have preferred more time consuming thing, period, simply confirms you're just another Google shill, or just someone needing medical care.
I didn't ask you to say anything here, you came yourself, because you were pissed off simply because I pointed out facts of Google's idiosyncratic choices. Simply bugger off if you think topic is stupid, I for one not giving the slightest damn about it anyway.
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Secondly and the most annoying and inconvenient thing, now you can't increase or decrease the Ringer with the volume buttons. No matter what you do Volume buttons now will only control the Media volume! I mean WTAF! I use the Ringtone volume at least 10 times than the damned Media volume! To increase or decrease the Ringtone you now have to click on that tiny Settings icon and then increase the ringer or decrease, and while you do that, your ringtone will be played for a brief period of time, unlike the older method, where you could just slide left or right to decrease or increase from any screen and it will never play the ringtones in the process!
Really? No one goes to any business meetings or something? Now you gotta alert them hey look I am controlling my phone's ringer! What the actual **** Google?
I used it for like 15 mins before coming back to Oreo, but if these changes are made fundamentally then its a big pile of ****.
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Ringer on/off is power button + volume down.
really dude?
It's pretty quick to turn off the ringer... Hit the volume control then touch the bell on top of the volume slider.
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Calm the **** down. My complaint is against Google, not you. Though I have seen Google shills before, so nothing new.
If your time is as valuable as you claim it is, then you would not have preferred more time consuming thing, period, simply confirms you're just another Google shill, or just someone needing medical care.
I didn't ask you to say anything here, you came yourself, because you were pissed off simply because I pointed out facts of Google's idiosyncratic choices. Simply bugger off if you think topic is stupid, I for one not giving the slightest damn about it anyway.
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I'm gonna suggest you are the one needing to calm down here.
I'm on P.
Now I'm getting used to how it's working, I'm liking it.
Still needs some tweaks, and you can turn off gestures if it's really causing you sleepless nights
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I'm gonna suggest you are the one needing to calm down here.
I'm on P.
Now I'm getting used to how it's working, I'm liking it.
Still needs some tweaks, and you can turn off gestures if it's really causing you sleepless nights
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No, i was calm. Just because i made one forum post seemed to look like i was raging, it has no relation with my personal life.
Like i said, I'm not the accepting lot, I'll never support this stupid ass decision of Google. And I'll die before becoming a shill. If you like it, good for you, the shills, not saying you are, mostly like whatever Google brings about without even giving it a personal thought, good for them, well not really but whatever.
You understand that the P Beta is not the final release and that Google actually throws stuff out there that they aren't 100% sure about just to get public feedback on it, right? P isn't perfect.. It crashes apps fairly often... But... you know... it's in Beta... If you don't want to deal with some things that aren't quite polished yet, don't participate in the Beta testing.
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No, i was calm. Just because i made one forum post seemed to look like i was raging, it has no relation with my personal life.
Like i said, I'm not the accepting lot, I'll never support this stupid ass decision of Google. And I'll die before becoming a shill. If you like it, good for you, the shills, not saying you are, mostly like whatever Google brings about without even giving it a personal thought, good for them, well not really but whatever.
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If this is your "calm", I suggest there are deeper issues you might want to look into. "I'll never support this stupid ass decision of google. And I'll die before becoming a shill"
ISSUES!!!
Also, for the record, that ISN'T calm. That's wound up over something
As stated above, this is Beta, and this is a testing environment. Maybe this environment isn't best for someone who doesn't like change?
For me, P has been great. Especially battery life.
I love how everything you hate is everything I love on P and why I'm never going back. I was just thinking who adjusts their ringer volume a few weeks back, guess I found the 1 person.
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If this is your "calm", I suggest there are deeper issues you might want to look into. "I'll never support this stupid ass decision of google. And I'll die before becoming a shill"
ISSUES!!!
Also, for the record, that ISN'T calm. That's wound up over something
As stated above, this is Beta, and this is a testing environment. Maybe this environment isn't best for someone who doesn't like change?
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Yeah ROFL, ISSUES, I mean yeah, with you lots. Someone who found issues with me preferring death than a Google shill definitely is the one with the issue.
Something should be be tried to fixed if it's not broken, old saying, but **** that yeah, those who don't understand who need to change their ringtone volume often obviously never went to office or meetings, otherwise this would not have been even needed to think as to the reasoning, FFS, damned 16 year old kids, what would they know about phone calls at first place, sorry my fault.
I sincerely hope Google will revert to old method, because it's simply changing how mobile phones should work, the very fundamental thing, and even for a beta they shouldn't have done that and apologise for the same.
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Yeah ROFL, ISSUES, I mean yeah, with you lots. Someone who found issues with me preferring death than a Google shill definitely is the one with the issue.
Something should be be tried to fixed if it's not broken, old saying, but **** that yeah, those who don't understand who need to change their ringtone volume often obviously never went to office or meetings, otherwise this would not have been even needed to think as to the reasoning, FFS, damned 16 year old kids, what would they know about phone calls at first place, sorry my fault.
I sincerely hope Google will revert to old method, because it's simply changing how mobile phones should work, the very fundamental thing, and even for a beta they shouldn't have done that and apologise for the same.
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They won't revert to the old method. They made it clear that this is their plan and its the number one request they had from users. You can revert back and just avoid updates or try lineageos if you prefer that method and make changes on your own. Most of us in an office environment walk in and turn on vibrate mode. I can tell you none of the people on my floor operate by turning down the volume. We all go into meetings and if the sound went off in the customer meeting even at low volumes we would be kicked out of the meetings. I travel 2-3 times a month and I've never been in a customer meeting where they left their phone on at low volumes. Again, its up to you to live your life how you want, but I recommend not assuming we aren't going through the same things. Anyhow, why don't you try switching methods? try the silent mode vs the low ringer. Is there a particular reason you don't like it on vibrate mode? Some of these things can be changed via apps as well. For instance, Tasker can automate your volume adjustment based on events and location if you want.
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They won't revert to the old method. They made it clear that this is their plan and its the number one request they had from users. You can revert back and just avoid updates or try lineageos if you prefer that method and make changes on your own. Most of us in an office environment walk in and turn on vibrate mode. I can tell you none of the people on my floor operate by turning down the volume. We all go into meetings and if the sound went off in the customer meeting even at low volumes we would be kicked out of the meetings. I travel 2-3 times a month and I've never been in a customer meeting where they left their phone on at low volumes. Again, its up to you to live your life how you want, but I recommend not assuming we aren't going through the same things. Anyhow, why don't you try switching methods? try the silent mode vs the low ringer. Is there a particular reason you don't like it on vibrate mode? Some of these things can be changed via apps as well. For instance, Tasker can automate your volume adjustment based on events and location if you want.
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Oh dear lord, I hate any type of ringing at all, back in the days when mobile phones were still thick as brick I never used anything other than vibrate mode, but nowadays these slim phones can't be felt vibrating inside pockets, so you must have the ringtone enabled. Anyway, that's not the point. A low sounded ringtone is still a ringtone, which you can hear, however faint but enough to reach your ears and at the same time not disturbing others, and for you to not miss a call, but vibration can missed if you are a bit distanced from your desk.
If ringtones were meant to stay at a static level, then there would not have been different volume levels at all! And how funny could something be when you can't control your mobile phone's ringtone with your volume rocker. I don't know which sort of users requested this, and I don't know to depth of daftness got into Google to approve a dreadful request like that. I am still more than confident that this will be reverted though. Stupidity lasts not longer.
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Oh dear lord, I hate any type of ringing at all, back in the days when mobile phones were still thick as brick I never used anything other than vibrate mode, but nowadays these slim phones can't be felt vibrating inside pockets, so you must have the ringtone enabled. Anyway, that's not the point. A low sounded ringtone is still a ringtone, which you can hear, however faint but enough to reach your ears and at the same time not disturbing others, and for you to not miss a call, but vibration can missed if you are a bit distanced from your desk.
If ringtones were meant to stay at a static level, then there would not have been different volume levels at all! And how funny could something be when you can't control your mobile phone's ringtone with your volume rocker. I don't know which sort of users requested this, and I don't know to depth of daftness got into Google to approve a dreadful request like that. I am still more than confident that this will be reverted though. Stupidity lasts not longer.
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you might look at getting push bullet if you can't hear the phone vibrating like a jackhammer on your desk. Just a thought.
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Yeah ROFL, ISSUES, I mean yeah, with you lots. Someone who found issues with me preferring death than a Google shill definitely is the one with the issue.
Something should be be tried to fixed if it's not broken, old saying, but **** that yeah, those who don't understand who need to change their ringtone volume often obviously never went to office or meetings, otherwise this would not have been even needed to think as to the reasoning, FFS, damned 16 year old kids, what would they know about phone calls at first place, sorry my fault.
I sincerely hope Google will revert to old method, because it's simply changing how mobile phones should work, the very fundamental thing, and even for a beta they shouldn't have done that and apologise for the same.
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Yeah
Google needs to revert back because of 1 person.
gonna happen.
when you say you'd rather die than be a shill (who uses "shill" this millenia?!) - then you need to put the tech down. walk away, look at some tranquil scenery
I would love to have a setting or an app that gives a clearer and more persistent message on my watch (not on my phone of course) when I accidentally leave my phone behind.
On Android Wear os it shows the "Did you forget your phone?" message with clear sound. It also had an acceptable delay before vibrating.
For me my watch served me very well for this problem.
On Tizen just two short vibes and no text popping up. Not enough for me.
There was also an app on Wear os, called "feel the wear" for more vibrating options.
Really miss it. I forget my phone all the time.
I left Wear os a few days ago but start forgetting my phone again.
(I changed my Tickwatch pro with an active 2 and am very happy though.)
Huib
herpi said:
I would love to have a setting or an app that gives a clearer and more persistent message on my watch (not on my phone of course) when I accidentally leave my phone behind.
On Wear os it shows the "Did you forget your phone?" message with clear sound. It also had an acceptable delay before vibrating.
For me a watch served me very well for this problem.
On tizen just two short vibes. Not enough for me.
There was also an app on Wear os, called "feel the wear" for more vibrating options.
Really miss it. I forget my phone all the time.
I left Wear os a few days ago but start forgetting my phone again.
Huib
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At last.. found the BRRR app in the galaxy store and set the vibration on five times.
Nothing appears on display from BRRR, but there is a relatively useless widget.
For autostart after reboot I think the widget has to be active.
https://galaxy.store/brr
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