[Q] Mi band extra straps - Mi 3 Accessories

Hey,
has anyone found where you can buy the leather and wraparound straps they keep advertising in images? I have a mi band and it's great, but would want another strap for it.

Superbia said:
Hey,
has anyone found where you can buy the leather and wraparound straps they keep advertising in images? I have a mi band and it's great, but would want another strap for it.
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I have bought one and I would like to buy a leather strap too. Have you found something?

urko95 said:
I have bought one and I would like to buy a leather strap too. Have you found something?
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No, I even asked some Chinese friends and it's starting to look like the extra bands are not released yet, but can't get it verified.

I'd love to get additional straps too.... Not only leather ones, I'd love to get an extra blue and green strap too.
But as far as I've seen, these additional straps seems not to be on market yet. Does anyone has info about that?

They are available on aliexpress.

sarkar1990 said:
They are available on aliexpress.
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True that, I've just seen them. But... these are not original and imho, quite expensive considering the price of the band itself. Let's wait for an official release by Xiaomi and probably also these fake straps would lower their price.

additional bands can be found on tinydeal.com
http://www.tinydeal.com/index.php?m...keyword=miband&categories_id=&cat_change=true

Helmut_TuT_GuT said:
additional bands can be found on tinydeal.com
http://www.tinydeal.com/index.php?m...keyword=miband&categories_id=&cat_change=true
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Those are still silicon bands. I asked for leather or wrap around. :/

Anyway, I tried some third party straps in silicon; copies are 1 to 1 with respect to the original band, so the core fits in perfectly. However, the used silicon is not merely comparable to the original one and after few weeks, the bracelet loose with ease.

I suggest you to buy a Sony smart band swr10 strap.
I already had this sony band and I love the design, very manly.
The mi band core is a bit small inside but doesn't move at all (I use it in the pool too)
The drawback is you won't see anymore the 3 leds, but I don't care and the band is very classy and durable.

Sichroteph said:
I suggest you to buy a Sony smart band swr10 strap.
I already had this sony band and I love the design, very manly.
The mi band core is a bit small inside but doesn't move at all (I use it in the pool too)
The drawback is you won't see anymore the 3 leds, but I don't care and the band is very classy and durable.
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Did you have to modify the Sony strap? Could you maybe post some pictures of the Mi tracker inside the Sony strap?

I didn't modify the strap to fit the Mi band. It fits quite tight on the length that prevent the module to move, not on the width but that's not a big deal. I did that because I already had the sw10 and my girlfriend didn't like the Miband bracelet for a man.
I can't post you a picture since I gave the Miband to a friend but trust me on this, you won't loose it.

Sichroteph said:
I didn't modify the strap to fit the Mi band. It fits quite tight on the length that prevent the module to move, not on the width but that's not a big deal. I did that because I already had the sw10 and my girlfriend didn't like the Miband bracelet for a man.
I can't post you a picture since I gave the Miband to a friend but trust me on this, you won't loose it.
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Thanks for your answer. The tracker itself isnt visible, right? So you can't tell if there is a SWR10 or a MiBand in it without looking underneath?

Since it has a more flat form that the swr10 module, you can fill it when you pass your finger on the top of the strap, on the sides of the module. It won't bother you nor is particularly visible.

I bought this leather bracelet in this website:
h**p://buy-yourside. com / products / xiaomi-mi-band-leather-bracelet-only
I am very happy with it. I think that it is not genuine but no one cares with it. No one knows that

best mi band straps in the market
urko95 said:
I have bought one and I would like to buy a leather strap too. Have you found something?
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search for the_mobile_garage on ebay(dot)in

mi band
urko95 said:
I have bought one and I would like to buy a leather strap too. Have you found something?
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They are available in the official website of mi india

Superbia said:
Hey,
has anyone found where you can buy the leather and wraparound straps they keep advertising in images? I have a mi band and it's great, but would want another strap for it.
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try on amazon
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GrNGo13 said:
try on amazon
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if you live in asia is should be quite easy

i use sony smartwatch 3 and i am very happy

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Would like to see a "nicer" band option.

Being as the SmartWatch 3 is kinda modular, what are the chances a "nicer" wrist strap will eventually be available?
Would be nice to use the rubber strap for running/ working out and other more outdoors environments and be able to slip it into a more elegant leather (my preference) or metal strap option. Any news on a possible Sony or third party option like this?
I would like this too,
I've heard some rumours on some tech websites about a metal strap coming, but any concrete details are scarce.
I don't get it really as sony would be onto a real winner here if they just made some premium straps that we could buy and swap out according to our needs. The main criticism of the sw3 is that it's unattractive. I think that's mainly to do with the functional nature of the strap.
My SW3 wont arrive until Monday, so I've yet to see or handle it in person and don't know how it exactly slips into the strap. Don't know if it would be an issue to slip it into a strap that isn't at least partially rubber? What do you guys that actually have one think?
Either way, I ended up winning a Asus ZenWatch on ebay that will be my more dressy option. I really like the look of the ZenWatch, I personally prefer it over the Moto 360 or LG G watch R.
I nice looking leather/metal band option would give the Smartwatch 3 some real flexibility though. I'll keep looking to see if it happens.
Looks like the Smartwatch 3 holder will be the answer from Sony for a way to use your preferred style band. Mine arrived today just in time to hear the news. Still it not as nice as I would hope.
That holder is plastic or metal?
2dorr said:
That holder is plastic or metal?
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plastic
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full article
http://www.androidcentral.com/eyes-stainless-steel-sony-smartwatch-3
2dorr said:
That holder is plastic or metal?
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looks plastic, that why I'm not so excited. Still doesn't look very premium. Wish it was black metal or SS.
I haven't seen anything stating the watch pops out of the new metal model. Would be nice if you could just buy the metal band.
Here are a few additional pics I found:
Thanks guys.
So I am gonna buy the metal watch.
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looks plastic, that why I'm not so excited. Still doesn't look very premium. Wish it was black metal or SS.
I haven't seen anything stating the watch pops out of the new metal model. Would be nice if you could just buy the metal band.
Here are a few additional pics I found:
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Watch this
http://pocketnow.com/2015/01/06/stainless-steel-sony-smartwatch-3-hands-on-video
The metal band is interchangeable.
Available on amazon but not the band alone...
http://www.amazon.fr/Sony-SmartWatc...?ie=UTF8&qid=1421951650&sr=8-5&keywords=swr50
The metal wristband is to small for me, nobody knows where i can buy extra link ?
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Athletic Bands with quick release

Has anyone found any quick release bands that are more on the athletic side. Something that's a sweat resistant one would be ideal. I did some checking on found a few just not quick release.
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Maybe these ones:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BD-Sports-S...hash=item280d5eb2cc:m:mAliLjS-R0C31lHy_IPRmFA
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BD20mm-Widt...hash=item2a5d5d7883:m:muhvB9eLJpfN-cldrgSLtrw
According to the description, the bands have "built-in pins". I'm not sure they are quick-release pins though.
Here's what they say:
With Built-in Pins, easy to install and remove, no tools needed.
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tiagobt said:
Maybe these ones:
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/BD20mm-Widt...hash=item2a5d5d7883:m:muhvB9eLJpfN-cldrgSLtrw
According to the description, the bands have "built-in pins". I'm not sure they are quick-release pins though.
Here's what they say:
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I can confirm that the band from the link above does include quick-release pins in the band. Overall I like these bands, comfortable to wear, nice change to a more athletic look, and they're plenty long for my thicker wrists. With the standard leather strap I'm either on the last hole or next to last, but with this silicone strap I have 2-3 holes left.
rant said:
I can confirm that the band from the link above does include quick-release pins in the band. Overall I like these bands, comfortable to wear, nice change to a more athletic look, and they're plenty long for my thicker wrists. With the standard leather strap I'm either on the last hole or next to last, but with this silicone strap I have 2-3 holes left.
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How long did it take to receive it from China? I ordered 2 of them...
galaxys said:
How long did it take to receive it from China? I ordered 2 of them...
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I placed my eBay order on Feb 11 and received in the midwest yesterday, so just under 2 weeks.
Just received them (1 Black & 1 Blue) and for me they are awesome and comfortable for activity's, sports, etc! Here's a few pics
Tiagobt, Rant, Galaxys: Thanks for the heads up and reports. I just bought a black and a blue one. I'll report back once I get them.
Just ordered 3 of these (grey, black and blue) off the back of the positive comments here. I'm a fat git with big wrists and the standard straps are a little snug - these silicone ones look like they'll have some room to spare. I usually wear G-Shocks so prefer silicone straps anyway.
Now to find a dock which works well!
Mine has just arrived. I really like it! Fits the watch perfectly and includes quick-release pins.
I bought this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stainless-S...hash=item5b1d9fb1ba:m:mAGU61q7dYTOFXgT8m3EwCA
But the product seems to be the same.
^cool! They all do look the same. I actually ordered mine from Amazon....
I'm looking for an orange silicone band. I took the chance of ordering the 22mm band from amazon but it ended up being 22mm where it connects to the watch and the band was 30mm! Anyone had luck finding an orange band that works?
48dodge said:
I'm looking for an orange silicone band. I took the chance of ordering the 22mm band from amazon but it ended up being 22mm where it connects to the watch and the band was 30mm! Anyone had luck finding an orange band that works?
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Only seen Red in these comfortable well fitted 20mm silicone ones. Would also like Orange, but may order a Red one and Green one to add to my 2 current Black & Blue ones!
I've got several of those bands on order now. I am also trying out the Clockwork band for Philip Stein in orange. I'll report back.
Anyone willing to sell me a band?
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Got mine today. Very nice. Good for exercising!
Don't know why the pictures turn out upside down
48dodge said:
I've got several of those bands on order now. I am also trying out the Clockwork band for Philip Stein in orange. I'll report back.
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The band came in the other day. It should work after some modifications. Really I just need to switch out the spring bars to the 18mm and maybe trim a little of the silicone where it joins the watch.
Got two on eBay. Black and blue to wear cycling. Very comfortable.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/18195503321...49&var=481860584504&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
Perfect fit. Quick release. Nice quality. Good price. Received in less than two weeks from China. If this is the type band you want then I recommend it.
Have you seen this one? I bought this brand in 18mm black and I like it a lot. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01A...watch+band&dpPl=1&dpID=419-PSYJ7+L&ref=plSrch
48dodge said:
I'm looking for an orange silicone
band. I took the chance of ordering the 22mm band from amazon but it ended up being 22mm where it connects to the watch and the band was 30mm! Anyone had luck finding an orange band that works?
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Can you post a link please. Amazon? Or ebay?
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homesik_alien said:
Got mine today. Very nice. Good for exercising!
Don't know why the pictures turn out upside down
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Can you please post the link where you order from. Thanks.
imagine cars said:
Can you post a link please. Amazon? Or ebay?
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Can you please post the link where you order from. Thanks.
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See post# 2 or 9 or 17 for some eBay links...

Official Huawei Bands are Now Live

Not sure if this has been posted here yet. But you can now order the bands from Huawei site.
http://www.gethuawei.com/buy-huawei-watch
Why would anyone pay those ridiculous prices?
Unfortunately the Huawei site doesn't take orders for outside the USA. I ordered the black leather strap from the following Seller via Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B018UP0952?ref_=pe_385721_37038051_TE_3p_dp_1
Pavoni
suzook said:
Why would anyone pay those ridiculous prices?
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Because these prices are not crazy for some other people. And I for one, will not buy a cheap nock off from eBay or Amazon.
Its there for people who wants it. No one is being forced to buy it. But yes, if I need one, I will be buying from them.
Lepa79 said:
Because these prices are not crazy for some other people. And I for one, will not buy a cheap nock off from eBay or Amazon.
Its there for people who wants it. No one is being forced to buy it. But yes, if I need one, I will be buying from them.
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LOL. Its the same. Enjoy
suzook said:
LOL. Its the same. Enjoy
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Come on, you know that's not true
It all comes from China...Same crap.
suzook said:
It all comes from China...Same crap.
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All from China, yes. The same, no.
Lepa79 said:
Because these prices are not crazy for some other people. And I for one, will not buy a cheap nock off from eBay or Amazon.
Its there for people who wants it. No one is being forced to buy it. But yes, if I need one, I will be buying from them.
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The mesh stainless strap I bought from amazon for 25.00 is Identicle to that on the Huawei site.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018LQE8AC?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
bamfsig45 said:
The mesh stainless strap I bought from amazon for 25.00 is Identicle to that on the Huawei site.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018LQE8AC?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
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Does it have the Huawei logo on it and everything?
Rektifying said:
Does it have the Huawei logo on it and everything?
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logo aside, it is identical from what I could tell
bamfsig45 said:
logo aside, it is identical from what I could tell
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I was seriously asking... lol. Looking at the Amazon listing though it does not appear to.
I can see differences right off the bat though. The band on Amazon must be slightly slimmer than the Huawei official. If you look where the band attaches to the watch, the Amazon version is the same width as the band itself. The Huawei official band is slightly wider than the actual part that attaches to the watch. (lugs pin?) I am not very good at explaining stuff so I am not even going to try to explain other differences I see. lol
EDIT: Disregard, I was looking at this one.
http://www.amazon.com/Huawei-Threem...=1452599009&sr=1-2&keywords=huawei+watch+band
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I have to agree and disagree. I do feel that Huawei has the bands overpriced. However, you also get what you pay for. The ebay / amazon knock offs may "look" the same but are unlikely to be manufactured with the same quality of materials and to the same quality standard. I am trying to grasp why the steel mesh band is $129, when the price difference from the Huawei Watch with a leather band to the mesh band is only $50....
Myself? I would definitely purchase the knock offs! I may be OCD, but I will not worry nearly as much when my $25 stainless steel mesh strap gets scratched or banged up then I would if my $129 one did.
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suzook said:
LOL. Its the same. Enjoy
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The metal bands may be VERY similar in "appearance" so I agree with you there. However, leather is a whole different story. If you know anything about leather at all, you would definitely know leather is not leather. The Huawei leather band is actually very nice. The knock offs on Amazon are going to be low quality, crap leather with poor stitching, I guarantee it.
Rektifying said:
Does it have the Huawei logo on it and everything?
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You guys are funny.
"I don't want to buy cheap Chinese stuff"
"I want the one with Huawei logo".
Huawei sounds very Chinese. IS Chinese. So now because of logo everyone will know you bought Chinese.
Nebell said:
You guys are funny.
"I don't want to buy cheap Chinese stuff"
"I want the one with Huawei logo".
Huawei sounds very Chinese. IS Chinese. So now because of logo everyone will know you bought Chinese.
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I only asked if it had the logo because he stated that it was "identical". It was a serious question to him, being he actually purchased one. I personally would prefer it not have the logo on the clasp for a cleaner look.
I didn't say anything about not wanting to buy cheap Chinese stuff. I said that I would buy the $25 one over the original so if it did get scratched / banged up it wouldn't be a big deal.
Just a quick update having today received my Huawei black leather strap from the Amazon.co.uk Seller I mentioned at post 3 above http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B...051_TE_3p_dp_1
I bought this leather strap for work, so that I can swap and wear my original metal bracelet during the weekends. I can confirm that, this strap from Amazon is the genuine Huawei leather strap. The boxing and presentation is exactly the same as with the watch and the spare Huawei charger, and the strap has all the proper Huawei markings. The strap itself is good quality, supple and soft with perfect stitching. This strap puts that which I have on my Montblanc watch (and costing twice as much) to shame. Whilst comparatively expensive at 77 Euros, it is one of the best leather straps I have had. I'll order the brown strap just as soon as they have them in. Loving this watch.
Pavoni.
they are probably charging these crazy prices because otherwise noone would buy the upgraded huawei watch models for $100 extra if they could just buy the band separately and save money.
this obviously has nothing to do with the quality of the band. no leather band on earth is actually worth 100 bux or whatever they are charging.
and if you are willing to pay that for the huawei logo you should seriously reconsider your priorities. there is nothing special about these bands.
Hello Valued Customer
Lepa79 said:
Not sure if this has been posted here yet. But you can now order the bands from Huawei site.
http://www.gethuawei.com/buy-huawei-watch
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Hello Lepa79,
Thank you for your comment on the Huawei Watch.
You're correct you can buy Huawei Watch bands at: http://www.gethuawei.com/buy-huawei-watch
We appreciate you sharing this information as we love the support that our customers give us. (ED)
Anyone an idea where I can find a nylon or textile band for our watch?
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Sony holder kit listed on ebay now at reasonable price.

Just to let everyone knows that ebay has started listing Sony holder kit at around Eur30+. Pls search with swr510c keyword. Grab it while you can.
I already got two 3d-printed ones;otherwise I Would grab it now.
Eey thanks for the heads up, ordered one straight away
bthoven said:
Just to let everyone knows that ebay has started listing Sony holder kit at around Eur30+. Pls search with swr510c keyword. Grab it while you can.
I already got two 3d-printed ones;otherwise I Would grab it now.
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is it the one that sony produce?
Yup
bthoven said:
Just to let everyone knows that ebay has started listing Sony holder kit at around Eur30+. Pls search with swr510c keyword. Grab it while you can.
I already got two 3d-printed ones;otherwise I Would grab it now.
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You, sir, are a scholar and a gentleman. I'll name my firstborn after you.
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You, sir, are a scholar and a gentleman. I'll name my firstborn after you.
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interesting..it looks chunkier than the black rubber strap though...I have very small wrists (on the stock black rubber strap I have the latch in the middle hole) so this might be too big for me. Anyone have small wrists and have pics of it on for comparison?
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interesting..it looks chunkier than the black rubber strap though...I have very small wrists (on the stock black rubber strap I have the latch in the middle hole) so this might be too big for me. Anyone have small wrists and have pics of it on for comparison?
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I thought the same, looks massive! Surely they could have made it smaller. With the size it is, I think a nice strap on it would look silly rather than nice.
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If anyone gets one, please let us know if it's a dust magnet like the normal black strap, that's the only thing letting this watch down at the moment. Hopefully the metal strap will be available soon as well at a decent price.
Got one, to me it fits better than the 3d printed, definitely no dust manget.
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Got one, to me it fits better than the 3d printed, definitely no dust manget.
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it does look well made...but it appears taller than it needs to be...I mean why not just take the holder design from the silicon band, then cut it off where the holder narrows into the straps, and put a regular strap adapter there? (if that makes any sense lol :silly the size is a few millimeters shy of an an ankle bracelet.
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it does look well made...but it appears taller than it needs to be...I mean why not just take the holder design from the silicon band, then cut it off where the holder narrows into the straps, and put a regular strap adapter there? (if that makes any sense lol :silly the size is a few millimeters shy of an an ankle bracelet.
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yeah, know what you mean, but physically impossible to have a holder and attachment for the seperate straps in that small space. See below pictures with original and this holder. In the original strap the device itself already is overlapping the strap. So you need that space first on the seperate holder and then hav the location of the strap attachement strong enough (that is , more material needed)
thanks for sharing the detailed pics, I can see how the design does limit how close the adapters can be positioned to the actual core. No hope for my dainty wrists then...Also, is it just me, or is your stock silicone strap glossy?
I think the holder with black mesh strap looks quite nice
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thanks for sharing the detailed pics, I can see how the design does limit how close the adapters can be positioned to the actual core. No hope for my dainty wrists then...Also, is it just me, or is your stock silicone strap glossy?
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my wrist is smaller then yours i suppose, had the original strap in 3rd hole :
and it's not shiny from origin, its just worn (as you can see in previous pictures, the corners are showing metal underneath)
nope my wrist is smaller, i'd have only 1 hole exposed above the sony logo if I took a picture this way.
still, it does really look nice and premium, but it's just too much bezel for me.
There's a few official SWR510's on ebay at the moment, shipped from Japan, around 30 Euros.
Think I'll order one of these rather than the 3d printed ones.
What size band does it use? Has anyone found nice rubber bands?
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What size band does it use? Has anyone found nice rubber bands?
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The holder takes 24 mm bands. I personally dislike rubber/ silicone bands, so I bought several metal ones.
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rajendra82 said:
The holder takes 24 mm bands. I personally dislike rubber/ silicone bands, so I bought several metal ones.
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Thanks for the info
Anybody used these yet? http://www.shapeways.com/product/DPJ3JC5AF/sony-smartwatch-3-adapter-24mm
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Anybody used these yet? http://www.shapeways.com/product/DPJ3JC5AF/sony-smartwatch-3-adapter-24mm
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There is a whole thread on it, see my post here.
FYI, I wish eBay had these before I purchased the 3d printed one.

Metal Band: Where to buy/Best Prices?

Does anybody know of anybody selling the metal band original or after market for a decent price?
Nobody?
I got mine on eBay for an unpleasant price. I saw on here some time back that seller dropped the price, I believe. I don't regret it, though. The steel band is pretty nice, so if this is the look you want for you watch, get it at about any price you can. I suspect it will greatly increase the value (maybe even pay for itself if the SW3 is in that high a demand later on) if you were to sell it later on.
My friend has one.
Since the strap IS metal but the watch core is not (it's plastic), you'll have to be careful not to accidentally hook on something because he did and the core broke off the strap. Now he has to use silicone black band, no chance to find a replacement metal band in Poland...
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Does anybody know of anybody selling the metal band original or after market for a decent price?
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I got the original one here in Denmark but never use it as the black band is more diskrete. So I could be open to sell it. PM me if interested, it's just gathering dust at the moment.
Varming said:
I got the original one here in Denmark but never use it as the black band is more diskrete. So I could be open to sell it. PM me if interested, it's just gathering dust at the moment.
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Thanks. PM sent.
Varming said:
I got the original one here in Denmark but never use it as the black band is more diskrete. So I could be open to sell it. PM me if interested, it's just gathering dust at the moment.
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I am interested if it's not too late ...
almost impossible to find ...
I do not recommend it. I take care of my gadgets but this strap get scratches for nothing. The front is made from mc donalds toys plastic. A small scratch and not even deep and you will see the gray base plastic. No way to fix it. Stay with the black strap.
replacement strap sony 3
Varming said:
I got the original one here in Denmark but never use it as the black band is more diskrete. So I could be open to sell it. PM me if interested, it's just gathering dust at the moment.
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Hi do you still have that sliver strap for sony 3 smart watch
replacement strap sony 3.
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Thanks. PM sent.
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Hi just wonderinh were I buy a replacement strap for my sony3 smartwatch as looking on ebay just for adaptor its 30 euro. Post on top of that 10 sure looking on ebay I see the strap with watch going for 105 euro madness been ripped off like that

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