Request for development / porting device
UPDATE 2015-01-29:
We have reached the target for this! Thanks to all!
Device is already bought.
Estimated time to arrive: Between Saturday, Feb. 7 and Monday, Feb. 16
Thanks to all donators !
Those are:
pelago :good:
Zombeezy :good:
joel.maxuel :good:
misbehave :good:
KellyC :good:
ajoh99 :good:
whitelynx :good:
Check out my F3Q threads for updates of development:
sediKERNEL thread
TWRP thread
sediROM for LG thread
To view the original OP:
As mentioned here in my announcement I am not able to develop for the F3Q anymore because I have no device anymore.
The idea would be to sum up what people would spent and using PayPal as donation target. I believe that is the easiest method for kind of that.
Each donation send to me would cost some money on my site but that would be my donation to that.
To be absolutely clear: This donations are not for my work or payment for the work already done!
The reason for this thread is to have the money to buy a development device only. nothing more - nothing less!
I do not want to get rich from this or whatever thats because the whole process will be as transparent as possible to you.
The device will be for development only because I will continue using my Captivate Glide as my daily driver.
That way I can ensure development can be made without problems according to that.
Nevertheless you will not donate for a guarantee that a special thing will happen or developed - I will only guarantee that I continue developing to some day get out the most of the F3Q.
The most important thing about transparency is how I calculate the costs. They are calculated from this offer (the last weeks and months I detected multiple price reductions. I will update the cost list as soon as I get knowledge about a price reduction, of course) : Currently available eBay offer
If you find another cheaper device which can be send to Germany do not hesitate to give me a PM!
If you find a broken device which is still usable (device need to be able to boot, touchscreen must work, display must function) then also do not hesitate to send me a PM!
If you know someone who get that device offered by their mobile provider and he/she want to sell it tell me, too
$ 119.99 - F3Q itself (Cheaper again - since today! 2015-01-22)
$ 11.28 - Shipping to Germany
$ 29.82 - Import charges
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$ 161,09 - Total
+ PayPal Fee's (may or may not be added so I cannot set a sum for this)
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PayPal Fee's:
International Fees:
2.9% transaction fee plus a 1% cross-border fee and/or 2.5% currency conversion.
means in worst case 6,4 % costs for each donation I receive.
or Standard Fee (depends on how the user had paid and from where etc)
2.9 % + 0.30 $ per transaction
not sure which one would met but it will mean that when one donates 10 $ about 0.29 $ to 0.64 $ will be charged by Paypal so that is something we need to keep in mind then.
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Current amount and offers:
TARGET = US $161,09
- $9,31 ($10 - $0,69 paypal fee) from pelago :good: (donation already made)
- $23,72 ($25 - $1,28 paypal fee) from Zombeezy :good: (donation already made)
- $18,92 ($20 - $1,08 paypal fee) from joel.maxuel :good: (donation already made)
- $9,51 ($10 - $0,49 paypal fee) from misbehave :good: (donation already made)
- $47,75 ($50 - $2,25 paypal fee) from KellyC :good: (donation already made)
- $23,72 ($25 - $1,28 paypal fee) from ajoh99 :good: (donation already made)
- $28,53 ($30 - $1,47 paypal fee) from whitelynx :good: (donation already made)
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$161,46 in total - WE GOT IT !! :highfive::highfive::highfive::highfive::highfive:
No additional payments needed! Thx to all again. I keep you updated!
That means we need only: US $ --
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Please reply to this thread with the amount you are willing to donate in US Dollars.
As soon as we have reached the target all of you will be notified in order to start their offered donation shortly.
Donation URL:
You can donate regardless of the fact if we reach the goal or not - but I will not refund anything when we do not reach the goal.
That means if you use the following donation URL that money will be hold until we reached the goal or too much time goes by.
In other words: When we reached the goal your donation will be used for the device - if we not reach the goal in a fair amount of time your money will be "converted" to a "normal" donation.
If you do not like that: no problem simply wait until enough people wrote a donation offer and the global "donation run" will open.
But if you accept all this and you do not want to wait you can donate right now using this link:
As the target is $2 only I strongly believe that this will come true! So if someone is willing to donate that amount do it here:
Donation - URL (click here)
Thanks
xdajog
Can you make my donation $8, to make the numbers a little nicer? Also, although you've hidden the donation link behind a spoiler, it is still there. You might want to completely remove the link it you don't want people donating straight away.
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Can you make my donation $8, to make the numbers a little nicer? Also, although you've hidden the donation link behind a spoiler, it is still there. You might want to completely remove the link it you don't want people donating straight away.
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ok done. Regarding the URL you're right. I thinking about opening it from the beginning so if the user do not want to wait until there are enough offers.. If he would accept that the money is not refundable when there are not enough offers it could be ok I think.. may ease up the donation process in whole but I thought it could be a good idea .. not sure though..
I pledge $17.50 USD for now (aka ~20 CAD)...
$20 from me. Wife uses it, and certainly want to encourage continued efforts on this phone.
$10 from me.
Just made the donation on paypal.
Price reduction of the F3Q detected!
This results in about US $20 less then before!
Before: US $185,95 left
Now: only US $161,44 left
As usual:
if you find a cheaper price (including importing charges and delivery) contact me!
US $210,11 in total is the current cheapest offer which is available for shipping to Germany.
cu
xdajog
Ah, didn't notice that the link to donate is working. I promised $20 so will do the PayPal thing when I get home from work.
donated $50
My n900 is really giving out, and looks like the Neo900 is still quite a long ways out (besides being probably $800+)
So I might have to go Android
But I require a physical kb, and I would far rather use CyanogenMod than stock, so.
I can pledge $25. I challenge someone out there to match me! Let's get this done!
Just started using this phone as my daily driver and love it. Can't wait to see what else we can accomplish with it.
OK, finally got off my butt and donated. I said I'd donate $20 but made it $25.
Zombeezy said:
OK, finally got off my butt and donated. I said I'd donate $20 but made it $25.
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thanks! I updated the thread.
woot! I detected a dramatic price reduction!! Instead of needing about $ 200 we now need $ 161,09 only! It means the device gets about $ 30 cheaper since the last time checked and because it got cheaper the delivery and duty is also less so we have in fact a reduction of about $ 40 ..
So to sum up: now we only need US $ 36,44. That seems to be somehow possible.. ?!
Greetings
Considering CAD<->USD exchange rate keeps getting worse, I figured I'd donate now. $20 coming your way @xdajog.
I'll donate $30; that should cover the remainder.
Good luck with continuing development!
Edit: Donated.
It seems that although I was the first to pledge money, I was the only one to have not paid in advance! So I have just paid my pledged $8 and an additional $2. Hopefully this will allow you to buy your device.
I haven't actually got one myself, although I'm tempted at that ebay offer you found (I'm in UK). If only it had more internal memory, a backlit keyboard, and better specs in general...
pelago said:
It seems that although I was the first to pledge money, I was the only one to have not paid in advance! So I have just paid my pledged $8 and an additional $2. Hopefully this will allow you to buy your device.
I haven't actually got one myself, although I'm tempted at that ebay offer you found (I'm in UK). If only it had more internal memory, a backlit keyboard, and better specs in general...
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thx. highly appreciated!
no you are not the last one Unofrtunately @ajoh99 has problems with using paypal (and I'm not able to offer any other payment service..) so when his/her pledge has arrived I can finally really buy it.
Success! Got my paypal to go through. Good job everyone!
-ajoh99
Device is already bought.
Estimated time to arrive: Between Saturday, Feb. 7 and Monday, Feb. 16
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xdajog said:
Device is already bought.
Estimated time to arrive: Between Saturday, Feb. 7 and Monday, Feb. 16
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Awesome, thanks!
xdajog,
What is the status of this project?
I ask because I'm looking to replace my Mozilla Flame with a new Android device (and port FireFoxOS to it), and in order for that to happen, I need Cyanogenmod compatibility.
I'm between this and the Samsung Galaxy S4 Mini, though I'd prefer the LG F3Q 1000-fold because it has a QWERTY keyboard!
Thanks!
Related
Most of us curious about Android on our device have seen this thread. Clearly there is somewhat of a demand out there for a port. Be it for people who are sick of WinMo for some reason, or for people like me, who just want something to goof off with, at least 2,100 want to use it. Now it's time to put your money where you mouth is
I'm setting up this bounty thread to get developers interested. As it is right now we've got cr2, who seems to have been doing most of the work without a device, but mediadealer has stepped up and said he'll send his phone all the way to Germany to help with programming. We've also got riotburn, who says he has a friend who might be able to do it. If anyone else feels up to it, by all means, step up
For the end users, all I'm asking is you to tell us how much you'd pay to see it happen, and if you have any sort of stipulations. Stipulations like CDMA support, or being able to flash it to the device a la dzo's Flashable Linux and Andorid (Source here), or anything else you personally want to see
Personally, I'm offering up $25. It's not a lot, but times are tough, and I will gladly continue to donate if development continues. I don't have any stipulations. I'd love to see CDMA support, and a flashable ROM, but I'll take anything right now
Start sounding off!
Note: Please be sincere with your donations/offers. If you're interested in the project, and don't have the money, don't say you'll donate. You can still use whatever comes out of it free of charge. The donation is just that, a donation
If you have any suggestions, questions, comments, etc... feel free to post up. I'll edit the original post with anything good
Attention
For those requesting fully funtional builds: Might I suggest you offer a lower amount for any working build, and perhaps a higher second amount if they meet your requirements? If a port happens, it's probably not going to be a 2.1 flashable ROM with SenseUI right off the bat. It's going to be bare bones, and other people are going to work off of it and make their own builds. Take a look in the Vogue forum to see what I mean
Basically, you're not going to motivate anyone to do it. It's a hard goal to reach at first, and you're pledge basically becomes and empty offer. Save those types of offers/requests for once we get a port working
PS: If you have any issues with how your offer is listed, PM me
Developers/Contributors List:
Updated: February 23, 2010
cr2 | Not taking donations, but feel free to thank him
dzo | Donate
phhusson | Donate
MrPippy | Donate
EGOvoruhk | Donate
Note: If you feel you, or anyone else should be added to the above list, let me know. I already have plans to update its current form, but might be overlooking somebody. Thanks
Bounty/Donation List:
Updated: December 29, 2009
EGOvoruhk $25
ackerchez $50
l3it3r $50 ($170 *)
jabrand $50 ($100 *)
gehzumteufel $25
jpoirier587 $50 ($200 *)
mwreed $100
jasonjoo ($200 *)
zuch0698o ($250 *)
Lomius ($50 *)
kabu $50
Nagrom Nniuq $20
iridium21 $20
muness $25 ($100 *)
voyager529 $25 ($50 *)
mxxcon $25
mrjetking $25
Dimon aggie $25
Mordekai $25 ($50 *)
duglas ($50 *)
cris_rowlands $50
neoslan $10 ($25 *)
spacemonkey333 $20
BoostedSR20 $25 ($100 *)
q426669 $10 ($35 *)
rajuabju $15 ($75 *)
rjmjr69 $25
Mayflix $30
sambir $20
zapbrannigan00 $10
mikentucson $30
roz1 $10
Zerocamber $25 ($100 *)
SlashX1896 $10 ($20 *)
t76sTaNg $10 ($25 *)
rbroudo $10 ($50 *)
vagabond1 $25
powersupplyzzzz $100
klynch_gdd ($50 *)
teknotard ($100 *)
Agent007pr $20 ($40 *)
buggs1a ($125 *)
WisdomWolf ($50 *)
mikkelnl $50
hoffreaper $35 ($90 *)
bedoig ($50 *)
jeneric $20 ($40 *)
morganlowe $10 ($25 *)
MrGoodCat $25
fr0st420 $25
kazekage011 $20
nemo0405 $10
fraggy4 ($100 *)
daride ($50 *)
bnappy $15 ($30 *)
rmk1825 $25 ($75 *)
*Click on name for post, which lists stipulations
Note: When you donate, if you could please edit your original post with the PayPal transaction number, I would be much appreciated. It will make things so much easier to keep track of
Total offered: $1360 ($3290 if certain requirements met)
Releases
For the best current build, you should check out babijoee's thread: [prj][android.eclair.2.0.1][update.feb.08]HW3D,WIFI,RAMZSWAP UPDATE
CDMA users, alternatively, might want to check out 95-civic's thread: [1/10/2010] Google Android for TP2 CDMA [In Dev], but it does not see as many updates, nor is it touched by as many developers as the former
Port Status
For (hopefully) up to date info on what's working and what's not, check out the Android On HTC's Wiki
More Info
If you're looking for more up to date info, check these two threads:
Android Port to HTC Touch Pro 2
[21/12/09] Google Android For Topaz/TD2 [Work In Progress / Download in post 4]
Old Releases
12/24 2.0.1
12/21 2.0.1
12/20 1.6 | 12/20 2.0.1
I'd get in on that.
I would offer up $50 for a working Android port to my Rhodium.
$25 for a working port bootable via Haret which can use all functions of the phone (including charger).
$100 for a native Android ROM which can replace Windows Mobile all together!
Put me down for $100 for a dzo-like full flash of Android, $50 for a Haret port.
No offence, and I applaud this, but what is a pledge worth? We should actually put the funds into some sort of escrow account.
gehzumteufel said:
No offence, and I applaud this, but what is a pledge worth? We should actually put the funds into some sort of escrow account.
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Bounty threads are commonplace on XDA:
BOUNTY) for first flashable android rom!
[PORTED!][BOUNTY TO BE FULLFULLED]Tachi PhoneCanvas - NOW WORKS ON ALL VGA DEVICES!!!
I don't want to do one giant account. If someone backs out, or the project never happens, there is no need to refund a bunch of money
I am aware they are quite common, but this is something that would benefit now. Creating a bounty thread with no real commitment, just seems pointless to me. Put your money where your mouth is, and just do it. HTC Kaiser video driver anyone? That was at almost 10k last I remember.
It may seem pointless to you, but not to me. I just provided you two links where similar bounty threads worked out. I see no benefit in creating a large pot, not even in your Kaiser driver comparison. I see no indication that drivers would have been finished if it was done any other way. People seem to still be struggling with creating video drivers
I'm fine with the way this thread is set up, and I will not be creating a large pot. I would prefer not to argue about it anymore. If you want to, fine. Maybe someone else can step in and voice there opinion, but I prefer to keep the subject closer to the matters at hand
Yeah I didn't intend to muck up the thread. Just figured I would comment. I am trying to find a service that caters to these types of things. That if it doesn't work out, can just automatically redistribute the money. So far, have yet to find anything.
And since we are all just pledging, put me down for $35.
lol its called a bounty because you don't get paid until services are rendered. there's a good chance this will never happen so why would i give money away now? if this can be accomplished i would be more than happy to pay up.
$200 for native android
$50 for fully functional haret
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lol its called a bounty because you don't get paid until services are rendered. there's a good chance this will never happen so why would i give money away now? if this can be accomplished i would be more than happy to pay up.
$200 for native android
$50 for fully functional haret
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But the nature of a bounty is it is cocked and ready to fire, not waiting for **** to happen. You know, just like if you are a bounty hunter, you turn your catch in, and you get the bounty right away.
i have my checkbook and pen in hand, consider that cocked and ready to fire. want me to sign my post in blood or what? stop arguing... jesus :\
lulz. All right, enough of this talk. To the bounty stuffs.
$100
I would gladly pay $100 for a full working Android 2 for my Rhodium (GSM).
EGOvoruhk said:
Most of us curious about Android on our device have seen this thread. Clearly there is somewhat of a demand out there for a port. Be it for people who are sick of WinMo for some reason, or for people like me, who just want something to goof off with, at least 2,100 want to use it. Now it's time to put your money where you mouth is
I'm setting up this bounty thread to get developers interested. As it is right now we've got cr2, who seems to have been doing most of the work without a device, but mediadealer has stepped up and said he'll send his phone all the way to Germany to help with programming. We've also got riotburn, who says he has a friend who might be able to do it. If anyone else feels up to it, by all means, step up
For the end users, all I'm asking is you to tell us how much you'd pay to see it happen, and if you have any sort of stipulations. Stipulations like CDMA support, or being able to flash it to the device a la dzo's Flashable Linux and Andorid (Source here), or anything else you personally want to see
Personally, I'm offering up $25. It's not a lot, but times are tough, and I will gladly continue to donate if development continues. I don't have any stipulations. I'd love to see CDMA support, and a flashable ROM, but I'll take anything right now
Start sounding off!
Note: Please be sincere with your donations/offers. If you're interested in the project, and don't have the money, don't say you'll donate. You can still use whatever comes out of it free of charge. The donation is just that, a donation
PS If you have any suggestions, questions, comments, etc... feel free to post up. I'll edit the original post with anything good
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Thi works well, and feels like android. Not sure if it runs android apps...
http://www.simosoftprojects.com/androkkid.php
clauswl said:
Thi works well, and feels like android. Not sure if it runs android apps...
http://www.simosoftprojects.com/androkkid.php
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interesting find, thanks!
I don't make much but I will have to work harder just to get ANDROID on this phone.
I'll pledge $100 for a fully working ANDROID.
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interesting find, thanks!
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There is a 1.20 update out, works well also.
Hi everybody!
Recently I've spoke with Cotulla and he agreed to try to hack Samsung handsets to create a custom ROM. I think it's a GREAT NEWS! The only one cons - Cotulla don't have any Samsung handset. So, I've decide to collect money to buy used Samsung handsets on ebay and send 'em to Cotulla.
I've checked price for used Samsung handsets on ebay and got about $160-180 for used Focus and $260-270 for Omnia (Cotulla asked for two different handsets - I beleive he knows what he needs!). EMS shipping will costs about $60.
The agenda is:
collect $550 using ChipIn service;
buy two Samsung's handets, Focus and Omnia;
send these phones to Cotulla via EMS or FedEx;
rest will be donated to Cotulla;
All money flow will be open and clear; I'll post a receipt scans and periodically will report progress (ChipIn service is already open and clear).
The backup plan (if we can't collect desired amount during month) is:
if we'll have money for one Focus, I'll send Focus only to Cotulla. If not, collected money will be donated to Cotulla.
I hope the xda already has at least 50-100 generous Samsung handsets owners who want to get a "ROM freedom", so
WBR, SeNS
P.S. Just tried to make a first donation by myself but I can't because ChipIn is wired to my PayPal account BTW, I'll donate anyway!
P.P.S. Project finished, will publish project's statement later.
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P.P.P.S. Project's financial report:
HTML:
Total donated: $161.00 (13 contributors)
Cash collected: $151.19 ($10 - PayPal fees)
Samsung Focus: $163.61 (bought on ebay, price with S&H + MA tax)
Shipping to Cotulla: $ 11.39
Grand total: $175.00
(my donation) $ 23.81
Maybe I'm missing something, but why not ask the seller to send the phone directly to Cotulla? Oh, I see he is from Russia... maybe you can get someone to buy and send a phone from Germany to him? It's about 200 Euro in Germany, brand new. Maybe ebay.de will find you something cheaper even.
Yes, we talked in XDA PM with sensboston about ability for DFT team try to "unlock" Samsung devices for custom ROMs
Usually we working only with HTC devices, but why not try new?
Actually, We need few days to do static analysis on Samsung ROMs to finally confirm that DFT take this project. (Maybe Samsung devices are too strongly secured so it can become very hard work )
something in case you didnt know yet.
just Omnia7 Sales are already above 5,000 at Taobao a month in China.
so large Samsung handsets owners...
Charging Paypal via Alipay we usually used is inconvenient.
ChipIn. More difficult ..for chinese . i think..
from wpxap.com
I will donate next month something.
Personally I own a Samsung Omnia 7 and its a pretty beautiful device, but what will happen with Custom Roms?
It would be simple fing awesome.
I owned the Xperia X1 with Custom Roms and the Samsung Omnia itself.
DFT you're making a awesome job for the community.
I'm looking forward for your Samsung roms.
I'd donate if they it was for CDMA based models (I dont have a Samsung phone a HTC but, a CDMA one). THey don't touch CDMA because they dont have phones and that's with HTC..
Verizon Trophy and the Sprint Arrive is what I am talking about...
Good luck on the quest...maybe someone will start one for us...
Edit: Maybe a few people have some used ones for sale, sending them 2 used ones over 1 new one would be more usefull on testing (incase they brick one in testing), Just a thought to help. As long as the phones work, are in good shape and are not blacklisted it should be fine for testing....Unless they said they only will take new ones for donation.
Just a thought....
I'm afraid we collect nothing at this rate
C'mon guys, don't be so cheap! I'm expecting xda members not a children/teens only with mom's birthday gift - fancy expensive handset...
As for adults - donating $5 - $10 is nothing, you've spent much more to pay your monthly bill or even usual tips to waiter in restaurant!
Lets appreciate Cotulla's hard work for community, don't be cheap!
yeeah and after Samsung only LG is missing ,waiting for DFT LG roms ^^ Are there som plans or have LG users no Luck ?
And Cotulla/DFT you re bringing back the wm feeling with your roms
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LG e900 MFG Unlocked Mango Beta2
In ebay germany there some used focus/omnia sold for under 200 Euros , maybe it helps
I just donated $5 ( 0BD3303884807972L.) Hope this help.
Donation (02Y31667V9120770N) sent, even I dont have a Samsung device.
However, the idea is great, since I always happy to have a HSPL and I think
that this other can claim.
It is a very hard working and should be rewarded.
Thanks for everybody who's already donated!
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However, the idea is great...
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Actually, it's not a my original idea: we collected money same way for Sony Reader hack on http://www.the-ebook.org and on the http://www.mobileread.com/
(with only one difference: we collected half of the total goal at the first day )
Hi, my donation is 20$, id 0L114908UE544863L
Hope this will help
BTW, do we have moderator here? I've asked ~~Tito~~ to pin this thread to the top but he didn't reply (probably, on vacation). We need to keep thread on top.
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BTW, do we have moderator here? I've asked ~~Tito~~ to pin this thread to the top but he didn't reply (probably, on vacation). We need to keep thread on top.
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We are aware of your request. Please be patient.
WB
just chipin
$20.00 Receipt ID 0cccf4ef483a56bc
hope this help.
best regards
HP
Pushing up.
Up. C'mon guys, we need another $100 - at least for one Focus for Cotulla!
Up again. Let's collect money at least for one Samsung Focus (will cost about $200 with shipping to Cotulla), developer can't do a hack without real hardware. Please, donate!
P.S. Sorry, guys, for reposting, but forum moderators are ignoring my requests to pin this topic to the top for a month Also it moved here, to "General" but seems like people here don't know Cotulla (and didn't appreciate his outstanding job!) and not interested in custom ROM's Most topics about how good/bad WP7 is, complete blah-blah-blah... But (I believe) with custom ROM's WP7 can beat Android/i-fancy-Phone etc.
20 bucks from my side (fdf5840e5b297852).
Keep the good work up guys
15 from me. Thanks for HSPL for HTC HD7.
As many of you may know, unlocking the One X with the tools on the HTCDev website doesn't give you full freedom on your own phone. You can flash new roms, but other things like radio's and hboots can't be flashed because the phone doesn't have S-Off. Also there is the issue of warranty, users with a HTCDev unlocked phone are having problems with getting warranty from HTC, also with issues that are not caused by unlocking or other software. There are a lot of devices where S-Off has been achieved, but sometimes it took a great amount of work and time. My last phone, the HTC Desire was the one of the first HTC's to ship with S-On and it took almost a year to find an exploit to gain S-Off. I don't know anything about what it takes to reach such a milestone but I did appreciate it very much. It finally allowed me to flash a different hboot so I could install a lot more applications on it. (see topic)
Long story short:
To speed up development it may be a good idea to give something back to the developers who spend a great amount of time in getting to that ultimate goal: S-Off.
The idea was proposed in the S-Off Discussion Topic and there some people, including myself, have already promised to donate an amount of money to
the first group or person who develops a safe, simple to use method to get S-Off.
Of course we don't want people keeping all their secrets for themselves, but that is a risk when you set a bounty on something. My hope is that people will be fair and if someone made a great contribution, they will be acknowledged by the group or person who made the final solution and maybe can share in the prize money. But something like that is difficult to catch in words beforehand, let's first wait what the results are. Then when the solution is found, I think we are all reasonable enough to find a satisfying solution if the situation calls for it.
Like stated, we are searching for a safe, simple to use solution. Safe and simple are words that are up to interpretation. What is simple for some maybe witchcraft to others. Again to compare it to my previous phone, the HTC Desire, what the Alpharev team (now Revolutionairy) has achieved is what I call a safe and simple solution. Then there is the issue of different bootloaders/radio's, there are a lot of different combinations and the One X is only a month old, so there will be a lot more combinations by the time we get S-Off. I think it is fair to only count solutions that work with the latest WWE OTA/RUU available at the time the solution is proposed, or the method must provide some way to downgrade to the needed software to let the method work.
I hope everyone who promises money will also pay if the solution is found, so only fill in the spreadsheet if you are really willing to donate to the developer who finds the solution. How we exactly are going to collect that money is debatable, but I think Paypal is the easiest solution. Collecting the money beforehand is impossible, because we don't know if the solution is ever found. I myself will pay $ 20 to the developer who finds the solution.
If you want to donate, fill in this spreadsheet
The minimum amount that you can donate is $ 5
Obviously there is no maximum, but for now the maximum via the spreadsheet is 50 dollars/euro's/pounds. If you want to donate more that's very nice, but then please send a PM to abc27. There were some fake entries with high amounts, so to prevent this, just send a PM so we know it's a genuine donation.
It is fine to post in this topic that you have donated, to keep this topic on top. But please do not post without filling in the spreadsheet, because I'm not going to check the entire topic for people who have posted that they'll donate but didn't fill in the spreadsheet.
If you want to see the people who've donated and see the total amount, click here
And I need to thank abc27 for creating the spreadsheet, which was a way better idea than counting the donations in this topic by hand
Donation The Hall of Fame:
Drefsab 20 British Pound
Evil-Dragon 20 British Pound
Johncore 20 British Pound
jmpmjmpm 20 British Pound
jonas2295 30 US Dollar
Orca74 25 Euro
nsane 50 US Dollar
preacher65 20 British Pound
dortok 20 British Pound
birkoffsjunk 20 British Pound
nikorette 30 US Dollar
doublecheese 100 US Dollar
Lainen73 25 Euro
bleary 20 British Pound
angusc 20 British Pound
salada2k 30 US Dollar
Frank G. 25 Euro
skylinegtrvspec 50 US Dollar
Jezzy11 20 British Pound
(minimal amount for getting in the Hall of Fame: 20 GBP / 25 Euro / 30 US Dollars, will try to update once a day)
US$ 20 from me
- reserved 2 -
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHBheXJMMjZsQ2RWNmo3NEVwTUIxdlE6MQ#gid=0
Use this. It's a much more elegant method.
Edit: Fixed a small error in the spreadsheet. Should be working now.
Put me in for £20 for now, I may add more later if the exploit is still not found but this next month i've got a lot more outgoings than usual.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHBheXJMMjZsQ2RWNmo3NEVwTUIxdlE6MQ#gid=0
Use this. It's a much more elegant method.
Edit: Fixed a small error in the spreadsheet. Should be working now.
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That is indeed quite a bit easier. I will update the first post with the spreadsheet.
edit: can you implement a feature that the minimum amount is 5 dollar/euro/pound?
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I hope everyone who promises money will also pay if the solution is found, so only post when you are really willing to donate to the developer who finds the solution. How we exactly are going to collect that money is debatable, but I think Paypal is the easiest solution. I will pay $ 20 to the developer who finds the solution.
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I had posts like this several times on HD2 forums, so I will say it again. I will be very happy to donate for s-off about 20 euros, but my only problem is that I cant use Paypal from Serbia. So to do that I would need some other solution.
Already over €100 / $100 adjusted for exchange rates.
do you have a link to see the spreadsheet directly so we can see the totals?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArpcAQiUWv5XdHBheXJMMjZsQ2RWNmo3NEVwTUIxdlE#gid=0
There you go. It's at the confirmation page of the form too.
Thanks for start that thread mates.
20€ here.
P.D: I think that topic can be improved a little, lot of people here aren't native english speakers (like me) and the word "bounty" can be unknown for them so I propose a topic like:
"[S-OFF BOUNTY] Donate here to archive S-OFF"
Include "Donate", that is a more common word onto the topic, will improve the visibility of the thread.
Unfortunately the student budget limits me but I am happy donating £10
Put me down, for £10. Would do more but things pretty tight for a few months.
Sent from my HTC One X
$30 from me to the developer who achieves a safe way to get safety off
Sent from my HTC One X running LeeDroid eXtreme 5.0.0
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I had posts like this several times on HD2 forums, so I will say it again. I will be very happy to donate for s-off about 20 euros, but my only problem is that I cant use Paypal from Serbia. So to do that I would need some other solution.
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Any ideas on solutions that do work for people without access to PayPal?
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Any ideas on solutions that do work for people without access to PayPal?
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Direct Debit wire?
Postal Cheque?
Cheque?
I'm sure it can all be sorted.
I'm assuming that whoever posted as Mike1986 with €600 was a troll? It was flagged and deleted anyway.
I can do $10, maybe more but I'll pledge $10 for now.
20 USD
Mod edit: Anyone interested in Club1941 may contact the OP for further information or discussion or in the thread below:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/general/experience-comments-club1941-t3043990
THIS THREAD HAS NOW BECOME AN APOLOGY FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE CAUSED BY MY REVIEW
AND FOR ANYBODY WHO HAS PURCHASED A DEVICE FROM THE SCAMMERS I NOW KNOW CLUB1941.COM TO BE
@ivivdim created a separate thread about this seller due to @OscarBlue researching the seller and finding many perculiarities about the site in question
http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/general/experience-comments-club1941-t3043990
after reading a thread over at china-devices.com today 05/03/2015 that a user posted about receiving just a screen protector instead of a tablet and power bank
http://www.china-devices.com/Thread-Be-careful-Club-1941-com
i have now decided to amend this thread OP with an apology for any and all people who were taken in by this scammer and made a payment to them and who now have to go through the process of a dispute with paypal or their credit card company to have their funds returned
i do not know how to apologize enough for my actions in posting my review here that made all the people go and use this site and i have decided that since i am one of the few people who received a real working device that i will host a giveaway of the device i received by way of an apology for any inconvenience caused by my actions
i have asked @OscarBlue to help me with this....and if he does not then i do not blame him as i would be very angry myself if i had read the review i posted and then made a purchase with this company only to find out that they were scammers
i thank all of the people who warned me about this potentially being a scam and am sorry i did not listen to your advice and question the companies motives myself
what i have learned from this experience is to be more vigilant before jumping in at the deep end and dragging other people with me...and to do more research before commiting myself fully into such endevours in the future
please if you are interested in joining the giveaway for this device i will post a link soon here in this thread
it will be at my expense and i will pay for all shipping anywhere in the world to deliver the device to whoever receives it
this will be done as a small way of saying sorry for any hurt i may have caused anybody by my actions
mrsim
great review
just tell me please, do you work for "cub 1941" or get pay to publish them ?
Why there is no stickers inside your phone? I mean usually there are some stickers like imei number.. hologram etc..
Thank you for the review.
Anyway, hope that you understand that if it proves that club1941.com is a scam that many people may lose their money thanks to you and this review.
I do not have anything against you and I apologize for writting this in your topic.
I just want to advise members of this forum to be carefull and to think twice before they buy a phone significantly below current market price, esspecially from the online store that just recently has been opened.
Thank you.
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xytkhi said:
great review
just tell me please, do you work for "cub 1941" or get pay to publish them ?
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He is being paid to do a review. I.e., he will get his phone refunded if the store is satisfied with his review.
The problem may be that these trial devices may be the only devices shipped from that seler.
They are selling enourmous numbers these days at very low price of cca 170$ for a 3GB version of Jiayu S3. Maybe even lower in some cases.
TheCityAndTheStars said:
Thank you for the review.
Anyway, hope that you understand that if it proves that club1941.com is a scam that many people may lose their money thanks to you and this review.
I do not have anything against you and I apologize for writting this in your topic.
I just want to advise members of this forum to be carefull and to think twice before they buy a phone significantly below current market price, esspecially from the online store that just recently has been opened.
Thank you.
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He is being paid to do a review. I.e., he will get his phone refunded if the store is satisfied with his review.
The problem may be that these trial devices may be the only devices shipped from that seler.
They are selling enourmous numbers these days at very low price of cca 170$ for a 3GB version of Jiayu S3. Maybe even lower in some cases.
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More people already bought the devices from this store.. I guess we'll have to wait other reviews too.. but still, this site sounds too good to be true.
He is being paid to do a review. I.e. said:
thank you
now its clear to me why ,,,,
and i think that he " pushed" to give a good review because his interest too.
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TheCityAndTheStars said:
Thank you for the review.
Anyway, hope that you understand that if it proves that club1941.com is a scam that many people may lose their money thanks to you and this review.
I do not have anything against you and I apologize for writting this in your topic.
I just want to advise members of this forum to be carefull and to think twice before they buy a phone significantly below current market price, esspecially from the online store that just recently has been opened.
Thank you.
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He is being paid to do a review. I.e., he will get his phone refunded if the store is satisfied with his review.
The problem may be that these trial devices may be the only devices shipped from that seler.
They are selling enourmous numbers these days at very low price of cca 170$ for a 3GB version of Jiayu S3. Maybe even lower in some cases.
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Are u sure he is being paid for that?
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Are u sure he is being paid for that?
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he know what is he talking about.
Ok but what about PayPal protection? Will club1941 get money if buyers won't get phones? I ordered phone and I'm worried now :<
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Ok but what about PayPal protection? Will club1941 get money if buyers won't get phones? I ordered phone and I'm worried now :<
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21 days after you made your payment the funds are normally released by paypal and the seller can do what he wants with the money, unless you file a dispute with paypal, then the funds, although they are in the sellers paypal account are put on hold, and the seller cannot access them until the dispute is ended, you can end the dispute at any time if you are happy with the sale, the seller can end the dispute at any time by issuing a refund. I ordered one of these phones from this seller and was suspicious of the website, so I opened a dispute and the seller issued a refund straight away, despite the fact that the seller said he had posted the phone and issued a tracking number, he had until 19th march to respond to the dispute but chose to refund instead, draw your own conclusions
Also the agent at paypal told me that if I didnt file a dispute and the sale later was found to be fraudulent I would still get my money back from paypal, although I wasnt told how long that would take, nor what evidence I would have to produce.
Edit... I have since found out that paypal only put a 21 day hold on your funds if you are dealing with a new seller, or if the seller has problems/disputes, otherwise the funds could go directly to the seller, unless you open a dispute.
aliya.dicaprio said:
Why there is no stickers inside your phone? I mean usually there are some stickers like imei number.. hologram etc..
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if you look again at the photo's of the device you will see that these are inside the back cover not behind the battery,i also explained this in my review,and yes i applied for a trial version which i paid for,if my reviews are good i will get my money returned to me,have also made enquiries for opening their eu warehouse as they are looking for a base here in europe...does that sound like scammers to you...i think not
@oscarblue48
Seems like filing a dispute is reasonable way of protecting our interests. Would you mind telling us what reason of dispute you chose and what did you write to make your statement understandable as disputing to make money freeze for more than 21 days?
I tried myself this few minutes ago but not sure what to write not to be understanded as a panicking one by PayPal service.
TheCityAndTheStars said:
Thank you for the review.
Anyway, hope that you understand that if it proves that club1941.com is a scam that many people may lose their money thanks to you and this review.
I do not have anything against you and I apologize for writting this in your topic.
I just want to advise members of this forum to be carefull and to think twice before they buy a phone significantly below current market price, esspecially from the online store that just recently has been opened.
Thank you.
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He is being paid to do a review. I.e., he will get his phone refunded if the store is satisfied with his review.
The problem may be that these trial devices may be the only devices shipped from that seler.
They are selling enourmous numbers these days at very low price of cca 170$ for a 3GB version of Jiayu S3. Maybe even lower in some cases.
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thank you for your comment on my review
also everybody is entitled to their opinion and i fully agree with you that it is better to err on the side of caution...there are a lot of scammers out there i am glad that you are warning people let's just hope that they all are using paypal to purchase their devices as this is a 'safe' way of doing buisness on the internet
i myself paid with paypal and it all went very smoothly
i read over in s7ylers thread that some people had problems and were offered the chance to pay with western union...never ever pay with western union as there is no option to get your money returned to you if you do get scammed
i suppose only time will tell if this shop is legitimate or not...but me personally...i received a working fully functional Jiayu S3S which has passed the MTK droid tools test...i cannot speak for other people,but i sincerely hope that everybody gets their correct device in good time and for the same price i paid for it
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Are u sure he is being paid for that?
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i am sure i have already received an email from Club1941.Com advising me of returning my payment for the review...so my payment is the device for taking the time to help their sales by making the above review
Venael said:
@oscarblue48
Seems like filing a dispute is reasonable way of protecting our interests. Would you mind telling us what reason of dispute you chose and what did you write to make your statement understandable as disputing to make money freeze for more than 21 days?
I tried myself this few minutes ago but not sure what to write not to be understanded as a panicking one by PayPal service.
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I used the grounds that the item had not been received (even though it had only been ordered a matter of hours) and in the message box I just wrote, I do not believe the sellers website to be genuine. and then I think you are given a date that the seller has to respond by, in my case 19 march, i believe if you need to extend the dispute beyond that date, you have to escalate the dispute before that date is reached, I'm not entirely sure about that as I didnt get that far, as I got my refund right away.
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21 days after you made your payment the funds are normally released by paypal and the seller can do what he wants with the money, unless you file a dispute with paypal, then the funds, although they are in the sellers paypal account are put on hold, and the seller cannot access them until the dispute is ended, you can end the dispute at any time if you are happy with the sale, the seller can end the dispute at any time by issuing a refund. I ordered one of these phones from this seller and was suspicious of the website, so I opened a dispute and the seller issued a refund straight away, despite the fact that the seller said he had posted the phone and issued a tracking number, he had until 19th march to respond to the dispute but chose to refund instead, draw your own conclusions
Also the agent at paypal told me that if I didnt file a dispute and the sale later was found to be fraudulent I would still get my money back from paypal, although I wasnt told how long that would take, nor what evidence I would have to produce.
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i cannot speak for the seller on their reasons for why they instantly refunded you your money,but you are correct in that paypal WILL refund your money if you do not receive the device or if it appears to be fake,the evidence would be the paypal payment that you made,tracking number given to you by the seller,and also any email interaction between the two of you so my advice would be to contact the seller and strike up a conversation talking about the device and delivery method,and payment,also a screen shot of your account details with the item in question from the seller would also be good
these will all contribute to you receiving your payment back from paypal...hope this helps.....
edit: forgot to mention connect the device to mtk droid tools either record this from receipt of the item at your door till the spec info pops up on droid tools or just take a screen shot
mrsim said:
i am sure i have already received an email from Club1941.Com advising me of returning my payment for the review...so my payment is the device for taking the time to help their sales by making the above review
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Congratulations mrsim, you have done well, if you google 'club1941.com review' you come top of the pile, you know why? because you are the only person who has ever received anything from that site, They must have thousands of orders by now, but they're still sending them out, must have massive stocks I guess, odd how some of the other suppliers seem to be having difficulty obtaining this device, must be their massive buying power, as a worldwide Wholesale/retail outlet, with years of growth behind them(from their 'about us ' page) just google the name and you'll get some idea of their history, except it only goes back to January of this year, never mind, check out the glowing reviews for the 600 odd items for sale on the site, strange the only items with reviews are the Jiayu S3 2 and 3gb versions, oh and they dont seem to be proper reviews either, never mind I'm sure it'll be ok, at least you can claim your money back from paypal.
there's none so blind as those who will not see
Congratulations oscarblue48. You got your money back. what was the dispute you had again please ? What would Paypal do if they did'nt have people like you ?
Surely this seller has done nothing wrong yet so why not give him a chance ? Its not thousands of phones anyway judging by his order numbers its more like 30-40 per day. Also his address is Shenzen so maybe his brother or wife works in Jiayu or there could be thousands of reasons why he has access to phones. fact is the S3advanced has been released and reason most of Aliexpress sellers havent got them yet is they are not yet back to work after New Year.
BTW thanks Mrsim for another great review for what is obviously a great phone.
Oh the only connection to Club1949 I have is I got a tracking no for my purchase S3 advanced from both Paypal and club1949 so no dispute until I have something to dispute about.
Geting a bit feisty in here...is there some 'history' that I am not aware of as a newcomer? At the very least this can be a thread about club1941.com so the main thread can be left to the actual phone.
Yes it seems silly cheap, but there is still that PayPal safety net, which you don't have at dhgate etc. It reminds me of a site called mionbuy.com -cheaper than all the others I could see BUT no PayPal which is why I didn't buy from there. I still cannot see why they would offer PayPal knowing that if everyone complains(which they will in the event of a scam) they won't see any money. Unless they have found a way to defraud people via PayPal-does anyone know if this can be done ?
So who is sticking with it and who is baling?
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And more to the point, instead of pointing out a site is too cheap , why not scrutinise somewhere like efox which effectively rips people off by simply erasing $, then printing €, and THEN they have the barefaced cheek to charge for shipping! Then you might have no choice to buy an sd card! And people buy from there! Mindboggling.
seems like a pretty honest review to me so well done for scoring a free phone! I'm not bailing just yet as surely we are protected by paypal aren't we?
was surprised to see there is no led notification as thought that was pretty standard these days and also disappointed about the poor camera(expected better) and not so good twin speakers as I chose this phone partly because having 2 speakers must be better than just one! maybe I will bail and change my order to the ecoo aurora also with twin speakers but mounted on the bottom bezel not the rear so should project the sound slightly better, might save another $10 as well
Hi all, it appears that Mike Reid, the developer of the original FOSS Android Auto Head Unit app, has sadly passed away.
We are continuing the development in a new app, which we call the OpenHU Project. It stands for Open Head Unit.
Just want to address some one concern that some have already raised: OpenHU will continue to be fully open source under GPL, forever.
The only thing that may change is that we are trying to get permission from Mike Reid's family to relicense under GPLv2, as Mike had intended to permit those uses personally - and he obviously can't anymore.
Learn More: http://console.com.co/openhu/
Wiki: http://wiki.console.com.co/w/OpenHU
GitHub: https://github.com/iConsole/OpenHU
$10,000 Bounty Details: http://wiki.console.com.co/w/Console_Developer_Rewards
Finally - we are offering a $10,000 bounty, as the first full round of our Console Developer Rewards initiative. We had previously planned to focus on Android for x86, but Intel and Android were on troubled waters at the time... so we didn't fully launch it. In the wake of Mike's passing, we felt the best thing to do was focus on this effort.
As you may have heard, some recent changes to GMS (Google Play Services) broke Mike's app. But we are already hard at work, and you can win a portion (or all) of the $10,000 by helping us fix it!
Reserved
Reserved for future use...
Hi all, some good news, continuing from the old thread. Mike was persistently doing battle with a private Google file, libsslwrapper.so. It's part of GMS. As you can see in the source code for OpenHU, when searching for this file, Mike left several hooks for swapping in old versions, in order to A/B test.
By replacing that file with the old version (from GMS 9.0), it appears we can use OpenHU with GMS 9.2.56!
Unfortunately, this is only a partial fix, one Google could break at any time, so the bounty continues. We need to identify what broke with the latest changes.
But this is good news because we can isolate the problem to an SSL link between OpenSSL and the libsslwrapper.so file. Now, we need the community's help the most - because we don't have SSL engineers on-staff. Don't count on us to fix this, we need all-hands here.
Full instructions on how to swap libsslwrapper.so with the old version (via ADB, sans root) will be posted shortly.
How about instead of paying someone $10,000 for a future scam project you use that $10,000 to refund the backers you ripped off from your other scam you still haven't delivered on nearly 3 years later: Console OS.
You still have t-shirts and physical goods to deliver as well. You have $10,000 to throw around for this though.....
Truly a piece of work.
So this money is coming from the ConsoleOS funds? Did you know that the front page of android-x86.org calls you out as a scammer?
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We had previously planned to focus on Android for x86, but Intel and Android were on troubled waters at the time... so we didn't fully launch it.
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You did fully launch it. Twice. No one bit the first time because they knew better. You changed the submission date. Still no one bit. Oh, let me guess. It was yet another "soft launch"?
Also, where did the 10,000 dollars come from? You've said for months you've had no money to refund backers and you and your "team" had been living on less than minimum wage for a couple years now. You also said you could only afford refunds if you sold the rebranded Teclast hardware that you've announced but have provided zero details about so far. Wait...
"Similarly, we reserve the right to substitute devices, or provide refurbished devices if necessary for fulfillment."
There will be no cash. You'll give away old hardware and deduct the MSRP from the 10,000 cash promise. That's if you ever manage to give away anything at all.
I think anyone thinking about participating has to right to know explicitly where the money is coming from and please don't say "industry partners."
What's funny is your "continued development" of this project is the exact same thing you did with ConOS, grab code that someone else wrote, try to find other people to fix the issues for you, and then sell that for profit.
Intel and Android-x86 wrote Console OS' code, and now you're taking Mike Reid's code. Maybe you should stop taking other people's work and make something yourself. I mean, you have developers in Paris and a team to help you....right? Or is the extent of your "collective" coding knowledge changing names and lines on The GitHub?
But let's not kid ourselves. There is no team, no we. It's been you all along, just you.
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I've reopened this thread... but a word of advice.
Please keep things on-topic and civil here because I don't want to have to return for cleanups or the like.
Also, I've left the recent posts in the thread but I don't want such posts continuing... You've had your say so now leave it alone.
Thanks.
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I will respect the moderators and only focus on OpenHU in this thread. Please leave it there, thanks, this is not an appropriate place to discuss Console OS.
We did not "take" any code from Intel, it was licensed fully. Similarly, Console was working with Mike Reid up to the day he went to hospital. All this code in this project is licensed under GPL. OpenHU will remain under GPL. Period. You cannot steal GPL code if you use it under GPL.
As to the terms of CDR, we never even launched a bounty previously. The claims above that we did, are false. We halted such efforts after Intel informed us Android on IA may be halted. See the OP for a true/correct history. We will pay every penny of Console Developer Rewards, and it will be pretty darn clear if we don't.
We stated in the revision history that we are using cash only based on feedback - there will be no gadget giveaways (in this round, though as stated - future CDR rounds may use gadget rewards).
But again, this thread is for OpenHU. If you want to try and save the late Mike Reid's work, please contribute. If not, please leave.
As to the terms of CDR, we never even launched a bounty previously. The claims above that we did, are false. We halted such efforts after Intel informed us Android on IA may be halted.
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Funny.
From the December 25, 2015 Update:
Shortly after our Kickstarter ended, Intel suspended development of Android-IA for Intel Core processors. Later it extended this to all PC tablets as well. You will notice that Android-IA on Intel’s web site today only supports Minnowboard MAX - an IoT innovation board.
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and the title of the next update: Coming Next Month: Console Developer Rewards (on Jan 2, 2016)
and the one after that: Console Developer Rewards - The Details... Followed by Lollipop! (March 1, 2016) where:
Our first cycle for Console Developer Rewards will roll out publicly from March 2 to 31. When it does go live (on the 2nd), it will be available at Console.com.co/devrewards
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Sorry, I'm not going to engage. We never launched Console Developer Rewards. The first planned run March 1 was halted (and never introduced) due to Intel briefing us that they were planning to make major changes to their Android FOSS support. See: http://console.com.co/thoughts-on-chips/
We never offered any developer bounties prior to this one. No developer submitted code to us previously, with an expectation of being paid. This is our first go of it, and we'll pull out our credit cards to pay for it if need be. We want Mike's hard work to continue.
This is our first actual campaign for CDR. If you want to help save Mike Reid's work, contribute to that topic. All other topics are off-topic, and moderators have stated are prohibited. Please leave it there, thanks.
Christopher Price said:
As to the terms of CDR, we never even launched a bounty previously. The claims above that we did, are false. We halted such efforts after Intel informed us Android on IA may be halted.
We stated in the revision history that we are using cash only based on feedback - there will be no gadget giveaways (in this round, though as stated - future CDR rounds may use gadget rewards).
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No one claimed you launched a "bounty" specifically. You're playing semantics. We said you launched Console Developer Rewards, the program itself. You claimed you didn't launch the program itself fully and asuka has already posted the links that prove you did.
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The first planned run March 1 was halted (and never introduced) due to Intel briefing us that they were planning to make major changes to their Android FOSS support.
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Liar. "The first 30-day cycle of Console Developer Rewards will run March 21 through April 20. "
Quoted from: http://console.com.co/devrewards/
Why was it pushed back? From your own update:
"We met our self-imposted timetable to post terms, but we didn't give people enough time for feedback, and to properly inform the projects we plan to support.
We're moving back the first month of Console Developer Rewards to March 21, a week from today. This will give us time to have everything in-place and do it correctly."
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We stated in the revision history that we are using cash only based on feedback - there will be no gadget giveaways (in this round, though as stated - future CDR rounds may use gadget rewards).
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If you don't wanna discuss Console, fine. This project: your own page for the bounty of THIS project that YOU link to doesn't say this round is cash only. It says what I pasted, that gadgets can be substituted for cash, and the rules can change, at any time. But if you do want to use cash for THIS program (we're remaining on topic), again I ask, where is it coming from? You conveniently didn't address that at all in your reply.
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But if you do want to use cash for THIS program (we're remaining on topic), again I ask, where is it coming from? You conveniently didn't address that at all in your reply.
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This is our first go of it, and we'll pull out our credit cards to pay for it if need be. We want Mike's hard work to continue.
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Ahem, asked and answered. I'm putting up the bounty money out of my own pocket.
Christopher Price said:
Ahem, asked and answered. I'm putting up the bounty money out of my own pocket.
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And this would a different pocket from the one that the ConsoleOS funds went into
Christopher Price said:
Ahem, asked and answered. I'm putting up the bounty money out of my own pocket.
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Hey, why don't you be a man and take that same $10,000 to refund the couple thousand Kickstarter backers you shafted?
Or better yet, take that $10,000 and deliver the physical rewards you promised. Remember this post you made on May 13?: https://twitter.com/iConsole/status/731224776815992832
"Finally slaying spam demons is just one of the things we've checked off this week. Next up, perk shipments for #ConsoleOS. Then new stuff!"
That's almost 2 months ago. You still need to fulfill your campaign obligations before beginning another vaporware project of yours.
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And this would a different pocket from the one that the ConsoleOS funds went into
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PM me with your Kickstarter ID and I will investigate. Our last update made clear that our pivot to hardware will extend refund options to KS backers - or give them a credit towards our upcoming hardware.
We've committed to refunding people on Console OS. What more do you want?
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Ahem, asked and answered. I'm putting up the bounty money out of my own pocket.
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Out your own pocket...."if need be". So you post a 10,000 dollar bounty and only to reveal after being asked that you don't actually have it and will maybe have to put it on a credit card?
bengadget said:
Out your own pocket...."if need be". So you post a 10,000 dollar bounty and only to reveal after being asked that you don't actually have it and will maybe have to put it on a credit card?
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I don't see the point of the animus here. If Console can't come up with the money over the next 90 days, I'm personally promising to pull it off a credit card and back it myself.
That's not Kickstarter backer money, and we've offered to refund backers in our June 1 update. Edit: See our June 1 update if you are a backer - https://www.kickstarter.com/project...t-android-remastered-for-the-pc/posts/1592356
No KS funds from Console OS are being used here, period.
Please respect moderators wishes that discussion related to Console OS end with that. This is totally derailing the effort to salvage Mike's app... and if you think you can do better, please do.
Christopher Price said:
I don't see the point of the animus here. If Console can't come up with the money over the next 90 days, I'm personally promising to pull it off a credit card and back it myself.
That's not Kickstarter backer money, and we've offered to refund backers in our June 1 update.
No KS funds from Console OS are being used here, period.
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Questions about the money are on topic. Now here is the problem. The problem is you're asking people to do work with zero guarantee of payment. You've just admitted you don't have the money. They're supposed to go off your promise, given your history? Again, your own page says you don't have to give them any money at all. You can substitute hardware at any time.
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The problem is you're asking people to do work with zero guarantee of payment. You've just admitted you don't have the money. They're supposed to go off your promise, given your history? Again, your own page says you don't have to give them any money at all. You can substitute hardware at any time.
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Sorry. I'm trying to save this app. I will keep trying. If you don't consider it a trustworthy offer, that's up to you. I'm putting a personal guarantee on payment for code submitted within the time period stated on the CDR page for OpenHU (June 24 to August 31). Edit: Provided it actually fixes the issue - I hope the terms of the bounty are pretty clear.
We did have to put some legal terms in there, this is being run by a company. It is to a degree, arbitrary. It's FOSS code, and we are committing to paying in cash for this initial round. The gadget legalese was written prior. This round will be paid in cash.
If you have a better idea for reviving Mike Reid's app - please provide it. I welcome a better effort.